40k-lore-chat

[opaque coyote]

With the amount of detail they painstakingly crafted

[urban spire]

i don't think it was in hell, was it? they just announced it way too early, before prepro

[vital ginkgo]

Does the average black legion marine share abaddon's ideology?

[arctic talon]

It was in hell

[opaque coyote]

Nah 9th circle

[arctic talon]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

It basically went through so many different iterations

[urban spire]

rip

except not

since it came out

but it was bad

but then it got good

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's a sign that a game had a turbulent development

[urban spire]

cdpr is a land of contrasts

[arctic talon]

I was happy with it even on launch I’m ngl

But I’m easy to please with cyberpunk

I got to see my favorite shithole

In 3D

[opaque coyote]

Also doesn't help that Console players basically couldn't

Play the fucking game

Honestly preferred they just cancelled the PS4 port Jesus christ

[urban spire]

i was very impressed with how pretty it was to look at, but i also saw all the bugs, and the gameplay wasn't very appealing

[opaque coyote]

Those MFS got faulty Kiroshi Optics

[opaque coyote]

I like the gameplay but it could easily be better

[urban spire]

call that karoshi optics

[opaque coyote]

At the same time it's definitely a miracle that they even fixed it up

Usually studios would just leave it to rot

Even more of a miracle that it got a comeback

Although something that I do wish is that there was more heavy weapons

Again, only two Lmgs

Where the FUCK IS MY ROCKET LAUNCHER

WHERE IS MY FUCKING FLAMETHROWER

BUDGET ARMS I PREORDERED THAT SHIT

AND YET YOU STILL HAVEN'T DELIEVERED

WHERE'S MY GOD DAMN FLAMETHROWER

[rose thorn]

I love that their entire role is just to save peoples lives even if its just rich people, breaking into a drug den to save some rich guy's daughter from getting made into a meat sauce

[arctic talon]

Panam ated it

[rose thorn]

truely peak lawful neutral

lawful neutral?

[opaque coyote]

PANAM YOU BITCH YOUR ASS IS ALREADY FAT

[arctic talon]

Cheaper then my irl fucking healthcare

[opaque coyote]

AAAAA

[arctic talon]

Prolly lawful evil

[rose thorn]

truth nuke

[opaque coyote]

Unironically cheaper than US healthcare brw

And they actually guarantee a flying ambulance within 5 minutes or so of call

[urban spire]

oh my fucking stars dude my cat's taught herself to ding dong dash
she screams at my bedroom door, i get up to let her in, and all i hear are her claws skittering on the cheap floor as she tokyo drifts around the hallway corner

[arctic talon]

LOL

[opaque coyote]

Even less if you fork up the money

[arctic talon]

Genius cat

[surreal nest]

i know you are joking but this is not true! and I hate it!

[arctic talon]

It’s literally cheaper then my healthcare on a monthly basis

[opaque coyote]

Tbf it depends yeah

...

[arctic talon]

lol

[opaque coyote]

It's cheaper than mine though.

Then again I live in the hell state known as California

[arctic talon]

Healthcare is national

[rose thorn]

500 usd a month for the cheapest service

[arctic talon]

lol

[arctic talon]

Eurodollars

Not USD

[rose thorn]

whats htat in usd

[urban spire]

in at least that regard i am lucky to live in norway

[rose thorn]

SORRY THE WIKI USES THE USD SYMBOL

[opaque coyote]

$588

[arctic talon]

3 to 1 conversion rate in cyberpunk RED

[opaque coyote]

Assuming the exchange rate is still there

[surreal nest]

i am not defending the healthcare system but a lot of the issue people have with high healthcare premiums is that they dont know what they are actually getting

[arctic talon]

So 1500$ USD

[opaque coyote]

Also that yeah

Also a bonus for Trauma team

They lay out exactly what you're getting

[surreal nest]

ok thats true though yeah

[rose thorn]

okay so

[opaque coyote]

And every corporation has to disclose what layer you get

[surreal nest]

healthcare is purposely worded to confuse you

[rose thorn]

500 its paramedics

[urban spire]

i love luigi's mansion

[rose thorn]

but for 2000 you get usrgery included

[surreal nest]

tbh covered california and MEDICAL isnt bad

[arctic talon]

Jailbreaking your trauma team card remains the funniest shit in RED

[rose thorn]

HUH

[opaque coyote]

Jailbreaking fucking healthcare

[arctic talon]

If you have a exec, a netrunner and techie

[surreal nest]

i work with MEDI-CAL a lot and they are pretty solid when trump isnt gutting it

[arctic talon]

You can attempt to jailbreak your trauma team card and chip

To apply to your entire team lmao but only one person at a time

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[opaque coyote]

Wonder if they still use cards

[arctic talon]

They do

Corpo V has one

In their desk in the intro

[opaque coyote]

Ah yes

Netflix family share

But it's your fucking healthcare

And like Netflix family share

[surreal nest]

also is anybody a regular at any gaming stores besides warhammer? i wanna know if Halo Flashpoint is being played anywhere

[opaque coyote]

It's probably being cut away because fuck you

[rose thorn]

Mant he cyberpunk combat zone minis arent as cool as the the games stuff

[arctic talon]

My LGS doesn’t have any regular halo flashpoint

[rose thorn]

https://sp-siliconpower.com/cdn/shop/files/CZ_Webstore_Minis_TraumaTeamStarterGang_Expansion_AllItems2_720x_75c110c8-f04f-4a84-9714-0a9a0cdaafb3.jpg?v=1729676212&width=650

[surreal nest]

idk why halo didnt catch on and im lowk devastated about it

its a great combat system

[urban spire]

you should play marathon

[surreal nest]

i like marathon i meant the board game but yeah

[arctic talon]

This is their 2020 aesthetic

lol

[rose thorn]

ah

[arctic talon]

Not the RED and 2077 one

Which is funny

[surreal nest]

im hoping Starcraft is the next big thing I would love to actually get involved with my local stores but i am NOT doing that shit with warhammer! fuck that community!!

[rose thorn]

OHHh okay

[surreal nest]

i heard combat zone is gas

[arctic talon]

Most of the combat zone stuff is based on 2020

Which is weird

But whatever

[urban spire]

yeah i just really don't want that game to die

[surreal nest]

i havent played it in a bit i wish it ran better for me

[rose thorn]

why deos mosnter fightclub look like fucking hero forge

lmao

[arctic talon]

lol

Do not expect any good third party stuff for the cyberpunk systems

Or 2077 imo

[surreal nest]

might actually be the worst standees i have ever seen\

[rose thorn]

THIS IS LIKE AN OFFICIAL THING LMAO

[arctic talon]

This isn’t first party lol

This isn’t Talsorian

[surreal nest]

if you play with standees ur legit just stupid why are u paying for cardboard?

[arctic talon]

[rose thorn]

OHHHh

[arctic talon]

R.R talsorian doesn’t make minis

Well

They do sometimes

But not really

[urban spire]

oh like battletech

[surreal nest]

is battletech good

i have the starter box

[urban spire]

the videogames are

[arctic talon]

The tabletop is pretty good

Imo

[urban spire]

everything i hear about the tabletop is that it's a LOT of work

[flat nimbus]

It is

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I would totally fw a game that takes place in an earlier part of the timeline

[urban spire]

but i mean it's been going for decades so it can't be that bad

[arctic talon]

It is but it’s fun

[surreal nest]

you've played a lot of different systems it sounds like

[flat nimbus]

Not as much as, like, classic shadowrun but

[arctic talon]

Yes

[urban spire]

then again, so has D&D

[arctic talon]

I play a lot of fucking systems

[opaque coyote]

Like a cyberpunk 2020 video game sounds pretty cool

[arctic talon]

I am a war game and ttrpg freak

[surreal nest]

what would you say was the worst you've ever played?

[rose thorn]

very, there is like 3 different games

[arctic talon]

Ttrpg or wargame

lol

[surreal nest]

give me both if you can

[urban spire]

the worst ttrpg is fatal

[winter pine]

There's this card game a third party is close to releasing that takes place in 2012 Night City which is cool

[flat nimbus]

naaaaah, there’s worse

[vagrant fox]

the worst ttrpg is halo mythic for real for real

[urban spire]

i had the displeasure of trying it about a decade ago or so

[rose thorn]

i think holy race war takes that slot

[flat nimbus]

which is an accomplishment but

[copper island]

hey guys does anybody know some good references for lore-accurate ultramarine colors and decals and accessories for space marine 2

[urban spire]

no the rancidness of fatal isn't just a meme, it really IS that bad

[arctic talon]

Worst Ttrpg seriously; Shadowrun

Worst ttrpg I pulled out for a joke: Racial Holy war

[copper island]

wuh is racial holy war an acutal TTPRG

[urban spire]

racial holy war is new to me

[arctic talon]

Yes

It’s basically non functional

But it’s real

[rose thorn]

https://www.goonhammer.com/how-to-paint-everything-ultramarines/

[copper island]

OH SHIT THATS THE CREATIVITY THING

ben klassens!!

ben klassens is like one of the OG white supremacists

he cointed the term racial holy war

[vagrant fox]

I thought it'd be Vargs myfarog taking the worst place

[rose thorn]

i read the rules once and it was literally nonsense lmao

[copper island]

terrible man

[flat nimbus]

yeah, the trick is “actually functions” isn’t a requirement for publishing your awful RACE PVRGE fanfic

[copper island]

racism isnt a functional ideal anyways so

lol

[arctic talon]

Worst wargames are a toss up between; X wing 2.5e, SPQR(on launch), AoS 1e, Warhammer 40k rogue trader

lol

[surreal nest]

idk but i like my ultramarine a lot

[flat nimbus]

but yeah, Shadowrun is one of the worst actual systems that ostensibly still works

[arctic talon]

Shadowrun is awful but functional yeah

[flat nimbus]

it’s just a worthless pain in the ass for most of it

which doubly sucks since I love the setting for Shadowrun

[copper island]

i see, thank you!

[surreal nest]

damn, x wing was that bad?

[arctic talon]

2.5e specifically

It’s ass

Don’t play it

[surreal nest]

what edition is it in now?

[rose thorn]

it has the main like styles GW painted htem as and how to recreate them

im quite fond of the darker blue ultra marines

[urban spire]

i played 4th edition shadowrun back in the day, it ran okay with the dedicated irc bot we had for it

[arctic talon]

Oh also I hate the stuff Palladium makes

The mechanics are

Kind of ass

[urban spire]

also there was a program for managing your character sheet

[arctic talon]

🪦

[urban spire]

chummer, third party, was really good

[arctic talon]

It’s fucking dead

[flat nimbus]

having a bot is one of the only ways I can imagine actually running SR as written

[arctic talon]

They killed it

[surreal nest]

figured

[flat nimbus]

without it being just a total slog of bookkeeping

[surreal nest]

i can tell when a game is dead when my local game store has stock for it for 4 fucking years in a row

A FULL X WING WALL

[arctic talon]

It was really good 1e

And early 2e

And then 2.5e fucking killed it

[urban spire]

yeah dice pools were usually in the 20s

[arctic talon]

Like

To put this into context

[flat nimbus]

tbf I do love big WoD dice pools

[surreal nest]

my local store recently moved and their store is barebones but they have FIVE COPIES OF THE BRAND NEW KILLTEAM SHADOWHUNT

WHY

[arctic talon]

I heard it being compared to fucking ww3 alt history aerial combat

In 2.5e

And then I played it

And it’s so much worse

It’s some fucked up atmo, space hybrid

With gravity(?????)

1e got it right

By just making it spaaaaaaaace

[surreal nest]

do you like play your wargames with randoms at game stores or just a close friend group?

[arctic talon]

Both

lol

My LGS is large and friendly

[surreal nest]

do you have any stories about a that guy or any standouts im curious

[opaque coyote]

Also

Yes this is an actual crossover

Bro so revenge pilled he decided to reenact one of the OG revenge story

[arctic talon]

Some guy came in and they shit themselves they got kicked out

💀

[surreal nest]

what the actual fuck

[opaque coyote]

Nurgle's blessing

[flat nimbus]

I think my favorite thing about Shadowrun is that it has been through multiple editions, and there hasn’t been a single one that has been ‘liked’

[plush mason]

i doubt he reenacted it and more so retconned the ending lol

[arctic talon]

The store has a no offensive body odor policy and is anti chud

lol

So they keep it clean mostly

Oh yeah some guy fucking tore up their MTG cards once

And threw them away

[surreal nest]

https://tenor.com/view/charles-dozsa-succulent-chinese-meal-bloke-penis-gif-11753527

[opaque coyote]

Kill him

[surreal nest]

unsure if my local store is chuddish but they are chill

[arctic talon]

But yeah I love the place, they run a food drive every big holiday

The store is generally chill

[surreal nest]

i was telling them about my project to turn kriegers into valhallans and i needed green stuff and asked if they had any left and the employee gave me his that he was actively using and just told me to show me them when im done

[plush mason]

thats a good sign it isnt chud turf, chuds are rarely chill

[arctic talon]

Big population does that tbh

The only regular issue is not enough floor space

When there’s a lot of stuff going on

lol

[surreal nest]

im genuinely traumatized and bitter about gaming stores since i got harassed and called slurs at that one like last year

[arctic talon]

Guh

[copper island]

i remember walking to the nearby hobby store for the first time with my friend and we kid you not bro

[plush mason]

wtf is green stuff? i heard it recently and have no idea what it is

[copper island]

the STENCH that raped our noises

[arctic talon]

It’s a type of putty

[copper island]

was unbearable

[arctic talon]

It’s not sticky

And it’s used for sculpting

[surreal nest]

like a sculpting putty

[plush mason]

ah ok

[surreal nest]

i made little ushankas and fur cuffs with it

can make beards too

[copper island]

awful store

[plush mason]

yeah sculpting putty i know

its just the name "green stuff" makes it sound like whoever is talking about it has no idea what was used lol

[surreal nest]

its fun to work with its just kinda really very difficult

[urban spire]

did GW name it? GW sucks at naming things

[surreal nest]

Nah

green stuff is just a brand name its just putty

they got grey stuff too

[urban spire]

i have that in my head

[shadow plover]

it's kneadatite but it is branded as green stuff for some reason

[urban spire]

at least i hope i do

[surreal nest]

probably because that name sounds like a fucking ammo type for a warhammer gun!

[urban spire]

never actually checked

[shadow plover]

originally the material has nothing to do with hobbying, it's like piping sealant or someshit

[surreal nest]

gentrified by losers and nerds!

[shadow plover]

and the (only) company manufacturing it in the US is stopping it's manufacture like right now

the hobby side for it is like a drop in an ocean

[surreal nest]

stock up and put it in empty pill bottles and put it in the freezer

[shadow plover]

a british company is in the middle of R&D to create a substitute for it at the moment but we probably won't see it in at least a year

[surreal nest]

NL supercruise canceled

disaster averted

[vagrant fox]

but why

and why even the supercruise was it a danism

[surreal nest]

a wha

[vagrant fox]

Dan Gheeslingism

[surreal nest]

no i know but what is "a danism"

[vagrant fox]

a dan gheeslingism

[surreal nest]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-marines-starcraft2-terran-sc2-dance-gif-16682035

wow

NL blocked

[vagrant fox]

either way I suspect Dan put NL up to it

[surreal nest]

he pretty much got uncomfortable with all the people joking about causing physical harm to him and other people and he realized he doesnt wanna be responsible for a ton of gorillas

[urban spire]

still don't know what a supercruise is

[spring cairn]

it's like a regular cruise

but awesome

[urban spire]

my main knowledge of cruises is fuckoff big disney boats rolling up our fjords, absolutely destroying the ecosystems which just weren't built to handle thousands of tourists worth of shit getting dumped on the reg, and then disgorging said tourists into the valley to make it into hell

[plush mason]

isnt it literally just a really long cruise on one of those giant ass cruise ships that are literally floating cities

[spring cairn]

i have no idea whatr happened with nl and the supercruise wjhatver

is he still a goat tho ?

[vagrant fox]

hasn't been since the NLSS died ok trust

[urban spire]

yeah the first i heard of it was it getting cancelled

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/northernlion-gun-gunpoint-gif-17774412504198774961

[opaque coyote]

Also

https://youtube.com/shorts/CVNxuKl9FcU?si=Bcf11G2QNM_vQEBL

Also to balance it out

https://youtube.com/shorts/9HC2U12wvg0?si=Jk-x1607rgr74Ouz

Yin and Yang

[opaque coyote]

Problem is trying to separate all that material

[urban spire]

fr?

[opaque coyote]

So honestly it's just better to sell the raw components

[opaque coyote]

...

[opaque coyote]

Which would probably be reused in some other data centers

The cycle™

Jokes aside recycling/processing electronic components to get their raw materials is hard

[urban spire]

most of the cards go unused these of days, they get bought and then warehoused for future data centers

and then construction is delayed so long the cards are out of date before they get built

98% of economic growth in america btw

[opaque coyote]

Which is why old electronic recycling is a thing.

Because trying to get the raw materials from it is just

A difficult process

[opaque coyote]

They're also used just to fuck over the other companies

Because fuck you

[urban spire]

it's not a bubble it's sustainable

trust

IT'S HERE TO STAY IT'S HERE TO STAY IT'S HERE TO STAY

[opaque coyote]

Worst part is that

AI will likely remain and some data centers. But definitely not in it's overwhelming current state

It's not like it needs so many data centers anyways

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-stolen-meme-repost-gif-25046735

[opaque coyote]

It's just corpos being idiots

[opaque coyote]

Holy shit perpetual motion machine

[urban spire]

i want it gone, i will never respect anyone who uses it

[opaque coyote]

It's like connecting an entire town's power grid onto a hamster wheel or something

You don't need that much power

[opaque coyote]

...

Sniff

cries

It's good for math

I swear.

[urban spire]

just use wolfram alpha

[opaque coyote]

That requires me to pay for step by step solutions

[urban spire]

oh it was free last time i used it

[opaque coyote]

Nope

Pro feature

Suffering

[winged jacinth]

predictive text models are actually really bad at math

if they're any good its because they're pumping the question into a formal engine like wolfram

they had to hardcode GPT to stop trying to contradict a basic axiom of calculus

(that .9 repeating is equal to 1)

[plush mason]

which is like the greatest irony of all

they have burned billions of dollars to make a computer WORSE at math, you know the machine that was literally invented to do complex math equations

[winged jacinth]

to say it more correctly, they have no concept of math at all, or a distinction between numbers and any other kind of word/token

[urban spire]

inventing the uncomputer

[plush mason]

yup

[winged jacinth]

the secret for wolfram alpha is you just do the math one step at a time and learn how to do it

it shows you the first step so you can just punch that in as the next input and proceed through the whole solution lol

the entire ai market was unfortunately built on investors and customers both not understanding how they worked

[plush mason]

i cant wait for the bubble to pop because its gona be so funny

[winged jacinth]

its inevitable

[plush mason]

reminder that the AI market is the only thing covering up the massive ressesion the US is currently in

[winged jacinth]

no one is making money besides people making hardware

[urban spire]

america is going to crumple like a soggy cookie

[winged jacinth]

every other business in the AI chain is unprofitable

[urban spire]

yeah it's a great time to be in copper

[winged jacinth]

american century of humiliation

[plush mason]

its already crumpled is the ebst part

[urban spire]

worse and worse

[plush mason]

the world just dont know it yet because the AI hype is covering it up

[urban spire]

i don't think it's going to be funny exactly seeing as how i have people i care about in america

[plush mason]

the AI market is literally 90 something % of all the US growth

[urban spire]

98

[winged jacinth]

american hegemony in basically every field has been pissed away in the last decade

[plush mason]

thats the best part, nothing will change on the ground

[urban spire]

as of last year

2% of economic growth was non-ai

[plush mason]

because we are already living in a ressession

[urban spire]

the fascists going more insane as their money evaporates won't be good

[winged jacinth]

im hoping i get poached to europe but honestly politics arent going so great there either

[urban spire]

also like

[plush mason]

they also wont have any means to do anything they cant already do

[urban spire]

the whole oil situation is about to grind modern society to a halt

[plush mason]

money is means

[winged jacinth]

europe has like 3 weeks of jet fuel left i think?

[urban spire]

never mind the fuel, we're losing fertilizer and plastic

and now trump is like "actually i'm gonna block it too"

[plush mason]

ironically losing such fertilizers might end up being a good thing, stop a lot of the destructive farming practices ruining the midwest

[urban spire]

at this rate world war 3 is going to be literally the entire world against the US

[tough haven]

God I hate my country now

[winged jacinth]

yeah petrochem is real important
ironically the US is still an oil exporter so the oil stuff wont hit us as bad
still $6 a gallon at the pump is making his truck driving base unhappy

[tough haven]

nothing to be proud of

[plush mason]

the US hasnt had anything to be proud of in almost a century

[winged jacinth]

idk about the fertilizer stuff we're not cut off from being able to make nitrates or organophosphates

[urban spire]

pretty much every industry relies in some form on petrochem

[winged jacinth]

wait organophosphates are in pesticides im thinking of inorganic phosphate

[plush mason]

hell even the moon landings get diminished once you remember they where nothing but another part of the cold war dick measuring contest between the US and the USSR

[urban spire]

i prefer to think of that as a silver lining

[surreal nest]

i was already pissed off about the war but now i find out my starcraft order is gonna get delayed and now im just sad. I truly suffer the most!

[plush mason]

it just sucks that such a major achievent did nothing and had no aim of doing anything to advance human understand and progress, it was just political grandstanding

[winged jacinth]

phosphates are mined primarily in china but also in the US and nitrogen fertilizer is quite literally made of thin air

[surreal nest]

No new toys for me! The world is over!

[winged jacinth]

the moon landings have actually contributed a ton to science because they brought back samples

[urban spire]

the politicians had no better motive, the scientists rode that shit to the bank

[plush mason]

samples that did nothing but confirm already held hypothesis about the moon

[winged jacinth]

we send the samples all over the world as requested for various experiments and thats how a lot of lunar science has progressed

even if that were the only thing that would be big (though i believe the theory primarily arose FROM the lunar samples) but it also tells us a lot about how geology works on the moon and how to deal with the regolith etc

like they send out 400-700 moon rock samples a year, STILL

[plush mason]

all the more reason a single nation shouldnt claim something meant for all humnaity

[winged jacinth]

you're really dooming about this without understanding it very much

splitting it up without ruining it would be REALLY hard, and it already is in the subgram amounts we do

so we keep it pristine and provide it to everyone in the world who needs it

its like, textbook good science

[plush mason]

nationalism is anathema to the very concept of human advancement is my view

[urban spire]

things being shit doesn't mean we should give up

[winged jacinth]

its a good thing that nationalism isnt coming into play here!

we keep it because you need a gigantic specialist facility built before the rockets come back from the moon to store the samples

[plush mason]

it is because the original point was about pride in the US

[winged jacinth]

well yeah thats what got the money diverted

the people who worked on it werent about that

well probably some of them it was the cold war

[opaque coyote]

Anyways, be prepared chooms. Cyberpunk is coming

[urban spire]

it's been here for years

[plush mason]

if that means i get to be a furry irl sign me the fuck up

[winged jacinth]

sorry infinite debt

[urban spire]

we just have really shitty uninteresting cyberpunk where nothing works

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but we don't have the US dollar being replaced by the euro yet

[plush mason]

isnt the Euro already trading higher than the dollar?

[urban spire]

the US is working hard on that

[tough haven]

We have to keep striving for better, the moment we stop, the dream dies

[tough haven]

Its fucking bullshit

if I live in a dystopia I want the cool dystopia stuff

[winged jacinth]

who like, maintains the eurodollar in cyberpunk

it seems to be a fiat currency

[opaque coyote]

As a silver lining

Usually fascists crumble to dust quick

[tough haven]

Yeah they typically arent people of great tenacity

[winged jacinth]

the longer you stay in power the harder it is to blame problems on the opposition, among other things

and fascist regimes are prone to festering problems

[opaque coyote]

So by the time Trump leaves. (Either normally, via death, or by force).

The entire Republican party will likely crumble to fucking dust.

In terms of influence

[plush mason]

the infighting is gona be hella funny, will need to stock up on popcorn

[opaque coyote]

Nobody's fucking happy right now

[copper island]

this will then give way to new rise of liberal progressivism in the US which will then give way to GAVIN NEWSOM

[opaque coyote]

We might be able to actually reform our system somewhat.

Hopefully.

[copper island]

which will not do anything and then we will get someone WORSE than trump

[winged jacinth]

i think if trump had any intention of going for a third term or the groundwork would already be in progress
i think hes happy to get out of it with a "i could have won but you're only president twice!"

[urban spire]

like a lot of innovation has been driven by the US military over the years. is that because USians are just smarter? does the military just invent things gooder than everyone else? no, it's because the US has all the money, and it puts all that money into the military

[opaque coyote]

Nah fuck Gavin

[tough haven]

Yeah I hate to hear them go "Everything sucks, if only someone could do something about that. Woe is us, we just cant change anything!" while they have at least some power in most, if not all major groups in the US government

[tough haven]

It will take much time

[winged jacinth]

the republican apparatus would also prefer someone less erratic than trump but they have no one that excites the base, and of course neither do the democrats

[copper island]

strongest military in the world because most of our budget is dumped into it via global interests

[opaque coyote]

It'll take years to fix the damage

But to be fair, the damage was there before Trump's first term. He just took advantage of it.

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-would-you-look-at-the-time-chudjak-nothing-always-bet-on-nothing-gif-7519736555744720052

[urban spire]

heard someone say gavin newsom is like the smiler from transmetropolitan

[opaque coyote]

Except in diplomacy

[urban spire]

terrifying

[winged jacinth]

he kinda seems like something wearing a flesh mask if thats what you mean

[opaque coyote]

Our soft power definitely got permanently fucked by Trump and like nobody else

Which is hilarious but also sad

[plush mason]

which is why nations are axiom to human advancement, eventually we will reach a point where the only way to progress as a whole will be to remove all notions of nationhood, because thats the only way to use the resources we have effectively, which is why no nation will ever support human advancement fully

[winged jacinth]

oh yeah i mean hes killing the petrodollar

like holy shit

thats not even an easy thing to do

[opaque coyote]

Well good news, green power will definitely be invested in now.

[winged jacinth]

nah we have too much domestic production

[urban spire]

yes, but also that's not what an axiom is

anathema maybe?

[tough haven]

Thats the play, discredit, and demolish governmental systems to make them seem ineffective and broken (cause they have no support, governmental systems can perform well if supplied and orchestrated well) so they have talking points for the next elections to say how awful everything is under democrats. And so they can push further for privatization

[plush mason]

yeah that

[winged jacinth]

foreign production drives our prices down by changing export prices more than we actually import refined fuels

[opaque coyote]

Yeah. The only thing that can counteract that is to paint Trump and the Republicans as the one that caused that.

And also actually do something

And not just bet on nothing

I'm sorry chudjak

But I bet on something...

[tough haven]

That would work if their followers tended to follow logic, or anything of the sort

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-chudjak-wojak-soyjak-marcvin5-gif-13903021270190271130

[tough haven]

please democrats do something

[copper island]

"democrats" "do something"

[tough haven]

have a person with any kind of passion or gravitas

[tough haven]

I know

[urban spire]

the smiler is a guy who wants to be president because he wants to be president. so yeah, pretty much

[plush mason]

all the blue republicans in the DNC wont let that happen

[tough haven]

I am disappointed by each party

[winged jacinth]

an axiom is a base principle you assume to be true without proving it in order to build a system of logic
very useful thing to consider when analyzing viewpoints
in stuff like math though you might take as an axiom that (1+1)+1 = 1+(1+1)

[urban spire]

get into office and do nothing but jerk off with the flag

[tough haven]

one is actively fascist, and the other is typically slow to act and ineffective when they do

[opaque coyote]

Republicans are deranged lunatics.

Democrats are spineless idiots.

[tough haven]

we need a clean slate of new politicians

[copper island]

me when my realize that my class collaborationist blue fascistic party doesnt do anything

[opaque coyote]

We need new parties, new politicians, and an actual left wing party at that

[tough haven]

True

[winged jacinth]

1+1=2 doesnt have to be taken axiomatically because of fucking bertram russel

[opaque coyote]

Since Democrats are like

Centrist at best

[winged jacinth]

im glad godel ruined your whole shit russel!!!

[copper island]

we dont need ANY new parties or politicians we need the entire erradication of the concept of the state and nationhood

[tough haven]

Well yes

[copper island]

this would be fire

[tough haven]

but one of those things is more plausible in the current climate than the other

[opaque coyote]

Quite hard to do that

One step at a time

[tough haven]

change like that has to happen piecemeal

[copper island]

put me in charge

[tough haven]

for it to be effective

[urban spire]

math is a model it only accurately represents reality in the abstract

[tough haven]

wide sweeping changes too fast dont typically go over well

[copper island]

i will make a revolutionary commune of the parisian model by engaging in total war with the middle east

[plush mason]

it never will happen, every single government in the world fights tooth and nail to keep it from happening

no one gives up power willingly

[tough haven]

Everyone slips up eventually

[opaque coyote]

Too late to go to war against the Middle East

Too early to go to war against the Middle East

Just in time to go to war against the Middle East

[copper island]

this is how the parisians did it

[urban spire]

transmetropolitan was so good

[winged jacinth]

this is actually an open question in philosophy but an ultimately unimportant one

[tough haven]

Im glad to see the rising amount of people just being fed up with how things are done

eventually it will hit a breaking point

I just hope it is as peaceful as is possible

[opaque coyote]

This is true

But also eventually the boiling pot will burst.

[tough haven]

well not glad, but y'know

[opaque coyote]

How it will burst though

I hope it'd be peaceful

[urban spire]

nah that's how you get materialists

[opaque coyote]

But let's be fair here. It probably wouldn't.

[plush mason]

the problem is the only way to end the idea of nationhood truly is to destroy all world governments at the same time, because if you dont which ever national government is left standing will claim the world and thats the exact opposite of ending nationality

[winged jacinth]

the question of if math is something we're inventing or discovering?

[tough haven]

Thats the gambit

[copper island]

i agree with this

[plush mason]

there is a gambit and then there is playing at the obviously rigged blackjack table

[tough haven]

The question is, you'd need something to fill the void, otherwise people will find something to do so

[opaque coyote]

The problem about nationhood is that everyone wants to keep their soverignity and do their own decisions.

[tough haven]

thats where many revolutions fail

[winged jacinth]

ancaps when 10 people get together and decide to violate the NAP

[rancid cove]

Russ should've killed all the pieces of Magnus fr fr

[opaque coyote]

So eventually something like it will pop up again

[urban spire]

yes, it's important to realize we're inventing it, otherwise you get people treating their political models like material reality

[copper island]

yeah but the thing is that state sovereignty isnt a representation of popular will

[winged jacinth]

i think you're misunderstanding where the philosophy question is occuring

[opaque coyote]

Overall, honestly.

I just want to not die horribly for being gay or something.

[tough haven]

Only table we have sadly, gotta work with what we have

[winged jacinth]

not if the models are real or abstractions, they're abstractions thats what makes them models
but things like "are vector fields real"

[plush mason]

yeah which is why its already over

[opaque coyote]

Like that's pretty much all I'm asking atp.

And yet we can't even do that

[tough haven]

Well yes but fatalism gets us nowhere

[opaque coyote]

Shoot for mars

But don't mind if you drop at the moon

[plush mason]

mars is a deathtrap if you mean literally

[winged jacinth]

(dont shoot for mars you will not hit the moon)

[urban spire]

mars is also kinda a dogshit candidate for colonization and terraforming

[plush mason]

hince my deathtrap statement

[winged jacinth]

one of my favorite dumb space facts is that on mars missions NASA doesnt bother planning for crossing the asteroid belt at all they just send it

[near wasp]

My vtm notes are not being rebuilt from the ground up

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/spring-trap-springtrap-spring-lock-springlock-five-nights-at-freddy's-gif-17562208386217251966

[copper island]

so what's the lore reason for me being so fucking good at space marine 2

[urban spire]

well the asteroid belt isn't dense at all

[winged jacinth]

yeah

[opaque coyote]

Tbf all of our candidates are kinda dogshit.

[urban spire]

yes

[opaque coyote]

I guess the moon would be the best just due to proximity

[urban spire]

well, no

[winged jacinth]

its SO low density that the odds of any line passing through it intersecting something is effectively 0

[urban spire]

there's earth

earth's pretty good

[plush mason]

yeah we are better off terraforming earth itself

[near wasp]

Facts

[winged jacinth]

we're doin it right now!

[urban spire]

we should maybe make sure earth doesn't turn into venus 2 before we start thinking about turning mars into earth 2

[winged jacinth]

not in a helpful way but we are

[plush mason]

in the bad way most often

[opaque coyote]

We are better off trying to solve global warming on Earth.

...

FUCK-

[copper island]

we wouldnt need to terraform earth or any other planet if we actually gave a fuck about our planet lmao

[winged jacinth]

mars cannot be terraformed in any practical sense

none of the ideas even work as napkin math

[urban spire]

not with what we have anyway

[plush mason]

10k years of history proves one thing, humans never give a fuck about anything

[winged jacinth]

even if you could give it an atmosphere it couldnt hold on to it

[urban spire]

i don't think we have a full 10k years do we

it's like 6k

[plush mason]

yeah

[winged jacinth]

nah 10k is about right for indus valley stuff i think?

[plush mason]

but its safe to assume the largley unrecorded parts where just like the recorded ones

[tough haven]

We cant let them steal our smiles, thats the one thing that is truly ours

[opaque coyote]

You see

That would require us to actually think more than the immediate as a collective

[plush mason]

humans havent changed much

[opaque coyote]

...

We're fucked

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-fallout-new-vegas-intro-video-game-speech-gif-12898395098466137348

[tough haven]

enjoy whatever it is you love to the fullest, every moment of joy you steal is a victory

[opaque coyote]

Not completely tbf

But still

[tough haven]

any part of you that cant be controlled is a victory

[winged jacinth]

my brain is cooked yeah its honestly more like 5k years

[sacred ginkgo]

Its easy

[winged jacinth]

3300-3100BCE

[winged jacinth]

did you play a lot of bop-it as a kid

[tough haven]

Democratic socialism is a thing

[opaque coyote]

It is ironic that despite the fact that we basically created the modern world

[tough haven]

I might be bungling the term

[opaque coyote]

It doesn't fit us well at all

[tough haven]

Nothing is set in stone and change is the only constant

[urban spire]

humans have been around for like 200k years and we have about 5-6k of recorded history, wild shit

[tough haven]

we will do better, or we will at least strive to do so

[plush mason]

how old is Otzi again? is he from neolithic era?

[urban spire]

neolithic is prehistoric

[winged jacinth]

otzi was copper age

right before old kingdom egypt and mesopotamia etc

[storm jungle]

is that the ice-dweller that got backshots by like 3 tribesmen

[urban spire]

you can't be sayin it like that

[plush mason]

yeah the oldest cold case in human history

[near wasp]

He went down a warrior

[storm jungle]

"warrior"

mfer he got JUMPED

[near wasp]

Do not disrespect otzi

[winged jacinth]

it was likely one person because there was only a single arrow

[copper island]

if i was a space marine which space marine would i be

[plush mason]

tbf we dont know what state he left the other guy in, there is signs he fought back

[winged jacinth]

Otzi was probably just a traveller doing something who got jumped by a bandit yeah

we were on that shit

[plush mason]

he had some expensive kit

[storm jungle]

prob a Ashen Claw

[storm jungle]

hate the big government

[plush mason]

so not just any traveler most likely

[winged jacinth]

being a solo traveller at all is very unusual for the time

[copper island]

awesome!

[copper island]

if i was an ALIVE space marine

[sacred ginkgo]

He could still be alive

[plush mason]

true iirc the leading theory is he was a leader of some kind out on a hunting trip

[sacred ginkgo]

For the next like

[urban spire]

well how do you know? maybe people travelled solo all the time and they were just really fuckin good at it so they never died

[sacred ginkgo]

3 minutes

[copper island]

if i WASNT mortally wounded

[urban spire]

i am being facetious

[winged jacinth]

otzi was left with his longbow so he was most likely alone, but idk lol maybe they left their dead with their bows

also evidence for the other party not getting away without injury or they'd have taken it

[copper island]

do u see mathematics as material-born concepts deriving from real world reality

[urban spire]

not this late at night i don't, no

[storm jungle]

i was gonna say yeah

like

[plush mason]

he got shot in the back from like 300 feet away and from above, so what happened is likely he survived the first attack and tried to get back to his village but was spotted by one of his attackers and shot

[storm jungle]

im pretty sure even back then some guy could just go

"Eh im going solo"

lol

[copper island]

i see

[winged jacinth]

i mean
predatory animals for one

[urban spire]

real answer no i don't, mathematics arise from how humans perceive the world, not material reality

[near wasp]

Guys probably got kicked out of the tribe when they hit adult hood so they could fight a mate that wasn't there sister

[storm jungle]

idk man people have been killed by animals all alone since forever lol

[winged jacinth]

yeah thats why we travel in at least pairs historically!

the whole social animals thing

[plush mason]

the irony of that is that not even people today know thats a bad idea

[winged jacinth]

maybe otzi got janked by his travelling partner lol

[storm jungle]

Lmao

maybe bro was laying spears where he shouldnt

[urban spire]

he got his shit jelqed to a permanent end

[plush mason]

again thats the leading theory afaik, he got jumped by his hunting party, his wounds indicate 3 attackers

[winged jacinth]

i dont think he was that far from home since he still had highly processed grain in his digestive tract

[opaque coyote]

Fun stupid fact btw.

Spec Ops The Line has the protagonist Walker be named Walker purely because he walks a lot.

Seriously that was the reason given by the devs

[storm jungle]

Cool

now explode

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-cat-gif-5858640239144030160

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-cat-gif-5858640239144030160

[winged jacinth]

its not the most subtle of games in many ways

[storm jungle]

Yes

[storm jungle]

tbh

[plush mason]

maybe 4 days hike from home iirc

[storm jungle]

consideirng the target audience it shouldnt be

subtlety is also dead imo

[winged jacinth]

yeah legitimately the way people responded to it proves it needed to be that blunt

[storm jungle]

YEP

Spec Ops was what taught me what white phosphorus is too

[urban spire]

it's a game attempting to have a conversation with people who play cod religiously, unfortunately those people can't read

[winged jacinth]

it took THAT to make them go "woah war is bad??"

[opaque coyote]

I mean it does actually do a good job of hiding what it is for the intro.

And then it just fucking slams you with a chair

"You're shooting insurge- nope American soldiers now."

[storm jungle]

to be fair it doesnt matter if they dont get it, Spec Ops is such a cult classic that its still being talked about to this day while most shooters of its era have been entirely forgotten in the dust.

[winged jacinth]

oh yeah the writing is ok, though its largely cribbed from heart of darkness lol

but the themes are... unsubtle

[storm jungle]

anytime a serious shooter comes out saying its gonna be controversial EVERYONE compares it ot spec ops and it instantl fails the test

[opaque coyote]

The art direction carries ngl.

[winged jacinth]

i liked sandy dubai yeah

the gameplay was good enough

[opaque coyote]

It manages to make the hellscape that is Dubai look beautiful.

And that was before the sandstor-

[urban spire]

yeah it's a classic, but i think it did mostly fail to accomplish what it set out to do as a piece of art, ending up preaching mostly to the choir of folks who were gonna agree with it anyway

[winged jacinth]

the way it's swamped with sand is a really cool visual yeah

[near wasp]

Love using a 50 cal as a shotgun in sandstorm

[storm jungle]

Not really imo i met a lot of people that were affected and changed by the game, its effect will be felt forever and onwards because its still just so radically different from any military shooter of its era and even now

[winged jacinth]

all the people who went "woah thats the craziest shit" are the target and it got enough of them i think

[storm jungle]

^

[urban spire]

well that's good then, i'm happy to be wrong about this

[storm jungle]

if it didnt work it would not be remembered

[winged jacinth]

also ANY SHOOTER NOT FUNDED BY THE US MILITARY lmao

[plush mason]

the worst part of the Geostorm movie is that Dubai survives

[copper island]

wouldnt that mean that mathematics come from both historical and biological processes in the human mind (i.e, the identification of patterns and physical measurement), as quantitative relations which transform into another, thereby being a more physical concept/being dependent on the physical world?

[storm jungle]

LITERALLY

like Spec Ops is one of the only games where you outright kill US soldiers

any other game even cod has any american operatives you shoot as "rogue evil elements"

ala PMCs or whatever

[near wasp]

Pffft

[opaque coyote]

Also the general ruined buildings, the graffiti around, the constant movement downwards that symbolizes the obvious, the vibrant and artificial colors mixed with the sand and violence.

It's truly a sight to see. And also has some of the sickest visuals.

[near wasp]

In arma we shot Americans all the time

[storm jungle]

thats multiplayer

im talking in a serious format

where you hear them scream and shit

[near wasp]

Ah

Awesome

[storm jungle]

multiplayer murder of american soldiers is just arcade nonsense

[plush mason]

get in an arma server with some milsim larpers and you will hear all kinds of screaming

[arctic talon]

We need the PRC to make an equivelent of COD

To push Chinese propaganda

Instead of US propaganda

And then we can have both of them fight it out to see which one has the better propaganda and gameplay

[opaque coyote]

Also I find it funny that

The Damned 33rd are trying their best to help, the Insurgents are trying their best to survive. Hell, even Walker's party are just a trio of delusional assholes trying to play hero at first.

The only party that doesn't even have good intentions is the CIA.

And I think that's fucking hilarious

[plush mason]

nah we need an alien invasion FPS where we are the aliens and we crush the earth military in like an hour lol

[near wasp]

I mean it's the cia

Lol

[opaque coyote]

"The road to hell is paved with good intentio-"

"Nah bruh, drain the remaining water supply"

[storm jungle]

the CIA making sure the entire city dies so they can cover a US military fuckup is the most realistic part of the game lol

[arctic talon]

CIA gaming

[near wasp]

Facts

[arctic talon]

Sell more crack

[urban spire]

it's a biological process in the same way that any thought or idea involves a physical process in the brain, but if we follow that line of thinking we're effectively saying ideals and material conditions are the same thing

[copper island]

would materialism, meaning things belong to the material/physical. if numbers and symbols (basically ideograms constructed from real world concepts) exist in the reality, wouldnt that mean that math is material

[plush mason]

any time the CIA is shown to be near total fuck ups and getting most things wrong is the most realist depiction of them

[urban spire]

you can't reason your way into zero being a physical reality

you can't have the quantity of an extant thing be nothing

[plush mason]

the CIA as an organization has done more to hurt the US and it's interests than all of our enemies combined

[arctic talon]

The guy who made it said it was a mistake lol

[near wasp]

Most the time when America does something terrible it's the cia

[plush mason]

iirc didnt the people of like medieval India invent the concept of zero?

[near wasp]

Been nice knowing y'all though they def gonna disappear me after I said all that

[arctic talon]

Older then that iirc but I do believe zero first appeared in India

As a number

[near wasp]

God I hate three letter agencies

[arctic talon]

Every country must have its secret police smh

[storm jungle]

yeah we mean you CIA agent watching this chat

[urban spire]

the cia is genuinely so fucking disgusting

[copper island]

what im trying to say is that mathematics stem from historical needs which are devised from humans in the real world, as in they are reflections of realities (such as the need for land measurements and economics) rather than their own concepts

[urban spire]

just the shit they waste time and resources on, infiltrating social circles mainly made up of disaffected youth like they have the resources to threaten the fucking nation

[copper island]

in the same sense that ideals and social aspects of people stem from socio-material conditions in society

[urban spire]

yeah, sure

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/gem-alarm-gem-alert-chud-redditor-gem-gif-6415505554061588689

[near wasp]

The cia infiltrated Warhammer groups before and they said we spend most our money on plastic crack and don't take showers and that we arnt a threat

[copper island]

was i being contradictatory im sorry

[urban spire]

no i wasn't being flippant or sarcastic

that's just an accurate if broad assessment of the conditions that produced mathematics, i have nothing to add

[copper island]

i see

[storm jungle]

both of you will be banned for talking about math

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-gif-23464742

[urban spire]

this conversation is actually about communism

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah also I love the look of some of the enemies.

My favorite being the Heavy Trooper. Look at how fucked up their armor looks

Duct taped riot gear with bullet hole filled armor plates

The leg holster is completely made out of fucking duct tape

[urban spire]

is that a fuckin skeleton?

[opaque coyote]

The Balacalva underneath the jury rigged helmet makes it look like a skull

[urban spire]

oh ok

[opaque coyote]

The Armor itself looks two weeks away from falling apart since seriously look at the amount of duct tape

It's great

[rose thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/868286602626097152/1495186042964279376/HF76im0bwAAQHox.gif

[urban spire]

i mean, as i understand it, spec ops the line is fulla ghosts

[opaque coyote]

I mean it when I say Spec Ops is basically carried by it's art direction. And it wasn't even gonna go this way.

The Beta originally had the classic

2000's era shit filter

that every game had

[copper island]

throws up on you

[opaque coyote]

Good thing they changed it to look much more vibrant

Makes the contrast all the more present

and pleasing

The artificial colors of dubai mixed with the horrific consequences

[copper island]

this game is actually about how much dubai fucking sucks

[opaque coyote]

real

[copper island]

and how we should lowk gas EVERY SINGLE exploitative gulf state with chemical weapons

[opaque coyote]

hold on let me just

[near wasp]

Deserts must have a piss yellow filter

[urban spire]

i'd wish that sand storm would happen in real life but you know the saudis would contrive a way to build a human wall of slaves and dead journalists to bear the brunt of it

[arctic talon]

Piss yellow
Washed out green
G r e y

[urban spire]

i was well into my 20s when i realized i actually fucking love deserts, and also the world is beautiful

[copper island]

go my migrant indian labourers, penal workers and israeli mercenaries... forge urself upon my five billion dollar apartment-clocktower-toilet and protect me from the consequences of investing in the west

[arctic talon]

Which gulf state is this

lol

[copper island]

the emirates

[arctic talon]

Which one

[plush mason]

UAE

[copper island]

the UAE

[arctic talon]

Boring

[plush mason]

tbf calling the UAE a state is an insult to statehood

[urban spire]

the world is so intensely fuckin beautiful you can't be slapping shitty filters on it without a really fucking good reason

[arctic talon]

It is a state

It’s recognized

[plush mason]

because they paid for it

[arctic talon]

Yeah

And that’s a way to get statehood

[copper island]

all states are insults

[arctic talon]

lol

Order is good smh

[plush mason]

true

[copper island]

the entire concept of nations and states should be illegitimate

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[urban spire]

idk how anyone can walk outside on a sunny day and not have the vibrancy of the world blow all the hate out of their brains

[sacred ginkgo]

I've been out to the high desert in central Oregon a lot and its quite pretty

Too hot for me though

I hate weather above 70

[copper island]

i like the middle east its very pretty

[arctic talon]

Because I’m too full of hatred towards people I despise

[plush mason]

a way that shouldnt exist, whats stopping men like Musk from doing the same?

[arctic talon]

Don’t have the land to do it lul

[copper island]

TRVTH OF NVCLEAR PROPORTIONS

[plush mason]

im sure he could buy a chunk of like Texas

[copper island]

these clocktowers in mecca piss me off

[arctic talon]

Owning land isn’t the same as owning unclaimed land

[urban spire]

anyway i do gotta sleep, you all enjoy your times of day

[arctic talon]

Mecca is kind of commercialized to hell now lmao

[copper island]

gn!!!!

[arctic talon]

At least from what I’ve seen

[copper island]

this is the commodification of religion

[arctic talon]

I’m not Muslim so fuck if I know if it’s good or not

[copper island]

dude this shit was purposely made to pale the fucking Kaa'ba

[arctic talon]

But the big clock lowkey feels like blasphemy lol

[plush mason]

so in other words the normal state of all major religions lol

[copper island]

"One of the signs of the Day of Judgment is that you will see barefoot, naked, poor shepherds of sheep and goats competing with each other in building tall buildings and boasting."

• Bukhari, FIten 25; Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Musnad, II/313

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh yeah I read that paper you sent

Was quite interesting

[opaque coyote]

...welp we're fucked

[copper island]

financied by arab and western functionaries

[urban spire]

gdi

why did i check discord again

yeah it is isnt it

[copper island]

bulks of neighborhoods were destroyed to make those fucking clocktowers

[arctic talon]

I’m pretty sure the clock is just the saudis no lol?

[copper island]

yes

the saudi binladin group, as well as private contractors from germany

[urban spire]

ok actually sleeping now

farewell

[arctic talon]

I mean being paid to build something doesn’t make you the financial backer for it lmao

[plush mason]

wtf is the point of the strange castle like buildings around it? i honestly cant figure out what im looking at aside from the clocktower

[arctic talon]

It just makes you the builder

[arctic talon]

Hotels iirc

A lot of people go to Mecca for their Hajj

[plush mason]

why did i expect any different

[arctic talon]

Tbf

It’s literally mandatory to go to Mecca for hajj

[copper island]

it was backed by the royal family and the oligarchial houses

[arctic talon]

Under Islam

At least once in your life

At least if you wana follow the book

[copper island]

high-end virtually unaffordable housing for "pilgrims" (saudi corporate nobility)

an ultimate testament to capital's destruction of culture

[arctic talon]

Are those not the hotels lmao

[opaque coyote]

Y'know a part of me wonders what an Islam version of those like

Stupid fucking megachurch concerts would look like

[arctic talon]

Everything destroys culture anyways

[arctic talon]

I have a diagram for this

One moment

[opaque coyote]

Oh boy

If it doesn't have a guy on pulleys praising Allah

[opaque coyote]

I will be disappointed

[opaque coyote]

M for MeccaDonalds

Hadto

[copper island]

thats not the point

asides from that stupid ottoman castle, a ton of traditional neighborhoods were destroyed to make it

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah no shit

[copper island]

blasphemous to everything islam stands for

[copper island]

which isnt a lot tbh lol

[arctic talon]

The fucking Mecca McDonald’s image is what really does that collage for me

Tbh

[opaque coyote]

You see they had to be displaced for God

(God wants me to get a 6th yacht)

[plush mason]

in the modern world no religion is paid any more than lip service by the vast majority of "followers"

[copper island]

god wants me to invest in ARAMCO some more

[opaque coyote]

Tbh most of those that treat it more than lip service are fucking insane

[plush mason]

yup

[copper island]

true

[opaque coyote]

And honestly I don't care what God you believe in

Just don't like

Assault people for being gay or something and you're good

[copper island]

i agree with this

liberal churches generally have better theology than conservative churches anyways

[opaque coyote]

Obligatory repost

https://youtube.com/shorts/CVNxuKl9FcU?si=LtM_kV3IpcoQYre9

[copper island]

[vagrant fox]

Is this the only sin or are there more

[opaque coyote]

Don't be an asshole

[vagrant fox]

not a religion for me

[plush mason]

what is it with 40k players and wanting to shag the robot lads/lasses?

btw, is it just me or does the admech seem to start with the arms and legs first for the augmentation stuff

it makes sense as i imagine those are the easiest things to start replacing

[languid meadow]

Wont let us romance Pascal and won't let us romance the new one

1984

[plush mason]

never of them have anything to work with down there

they also likely removed the parts of their brains that let them even experience such things as lust romance or even pleasure

[nocturne crest]

Have they ruled out romancing Trazyn?

[plush mason]

not that i know of

[arctic talon]

surely the one in Dark heresy

[languid meadow]

Honestly the only character I see as non romanceable so far is cogg and the corsair

Like the kroot is probably romanceable on the basis of they're pushing her super hard like they did Cass

Also need at least one xenos romance unless they're giving us a tau tau but I don't see that happening

[arctic talon]

They might give us a Tau TAu

lol

[languid meadow]

I hope

But still

So far from what we've seen these kroot are kind of separated from the rest by choice

Iirc

Either way no eldar romance this time

Idk if they'll give us duo eldar companions again

[heady rivet]

The forgetful Rebel Alliance member when he forgets the name of that animal on Hoth

[vital ginkgo]

Are there any kinds of tyranids with equal or superior intelligence to the average human?

[spare osprey]

Pretty sure if something's even 10% attractive to a 40k fan, they'd shout would.
It ain't a male loneliness epidemic, it's a total shmuck apocalypse.
Same could be said about the wider internet, actually.

[arctic talon]

Tyranid warriors(sometimes)

The Swarmlord and hive tyrants

Tyranid Primes absolutely

Neurothropes and Zoanthropes

any of the command synapse creatures are incredibly good strategists

[vital ginkgo]

So theoretically these tyranids could have an intelligent conversation with a human? With sign language or any other way of communication if not speech?

[arctic talon]

If they wished to, but they would not

[vital ginkgo]

I did not know that

Cool lol

[arctic talon]

Their minds are still "moulded" for war

if that makes sense

[vital ginkgo]

I thought they were dumb

[arctic talon]

nah

[vital ginkgo]

From playing sm2

[arctic talon]

the Synapse Creatures tend to be actual sentient and sapient creatures

While the non synapse ones are sentient but animalistic

[spark patio]

New future monstrosity type (appears under a certain condition): Greater Spawn
Arguably the hardest generic monstrosity encounter but also the rarest (only appears once in a mission with the Chosen Spawn condition), the Greater Spawn (Chaos Spawn 2.0) is more powerful than its cousin, with longer reach, tougher skin, and an armored head. Because of the threat it poses to the mission, this Fleshbag variant is referred to by agents as a Deathbag. The Deathbag has similar attacks to its cousin but it's all but impossible to escape its grab attack. What's more is that once an agent is grabbed, the Deathbag will not release its victim until staggered by enough force, killed, or the unfortunate victim dies. The Deathbag will wield the victim as a club on nearby attackers and consume the life out of the victim at an increased rate until they die due to max corruption, at which point the Deathbag suddenly regains a lot of health. Should the Deathbag run out of health, it will make a final bellow and explode, spreading corruptive tox gas and a pool of toxic liquid around it, while the force is severely damaging to those too close to this creature as it dies.

[sacred ginkgo]

Sounds like a job for literally any build with decent unyielding damage to finish in like 30 seconds

[storm jungle]

SM2 is like the worst thing you can look at as an example for how nids work

Tyranids and the Hivemind is exceptionally clever unless the plot needs to dumb it down for the protagonists to win

[sharp pollen]

Dilara is not hyping the last invincible episode, therefore it will be shit.......

[storm jungle]

😭

im not hyping it up because all the action is over!

its gonna be a "calmer" episode is what ill say but we'll see lol

[sharp pollen]

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

Honestly that voting event where they vote space Marines or nids

Was like the best example of how cunning tyranids are

[storm jungle]

Yeah lmao

Nids are unstoppable until the plot comes in

[queen laurel]

They are ever adapting biological force with countless of genetic data on their hands to pull from

Unless you have some rather funny plot devices that type of enemy is very much God damn near impossible to beat

[vital ginkgo]

Can be said for every faction in the setting lol

[storm jungle]

Nah

Nids are way more up there

Only Orks, Nids and Necrons are the 3 Unstoppable Factions™ until the plot actively sabotages them

as they are all more or less the core horde factions

[timid pasture]

What about the imperium

[storm jungle]

Way too fractured and they always get mini-W's

not really comparable

they are a protagonist faction and get much more leeway

[jade holly]

Ah yes, Body Horror, Cosmic Horror, and the Necrons

[winter pine]

wdym the orks are the comic relief

[queen laurel]

They do absolutely diabolical things

[valid needle]

The orks are extremely sadistic yeah

[vital ginkgo]

Do the red scorpions use librarians?

[spare osprey]

They are until they get ahold of anyone that can't fight back.
Dey's beasties and it's always a good idea to nuke 'em.

[timid pasture]

Just like necrons and Orks with all they in fighting

[storm jungle]

Thats not really the same thing