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#40k-lore-chat
arctic talon
crystal forum
how did they fail the mars invasion
storm jungle
yeah hes prob gonna get backshots and killed in the Scouring
arctic talon
nah
storm jungle
how did they fail the mars invasion
same reason US failed vietnam
solid horizon
kelbor hal is mechanicum chudjak
storm jungle
the darkmech are fucking everywhere
hollow lantern
I totally forgot they were doing a scouring series now
arctic talon
how did they fail the mars invasion
Mars was never invaded properly during the Heresy
it was just
an endless fucking civil war
crystal forum
huh
storm jungle
yeah the ngot blockaded
arctic talon
Kelbor Hal basicially split Mars in 2
lol
when he said "THE EMPEROR IS THE FALSE OMNISSIAH ALL HAIL HORUS DIE HERETICS"
hollow lantern
Actually, that means I get an iron cage story which is neat
crystal forum
when he said "THE EMPEROR IS THE FALSE OMNISSIAH ALL HAIL HORUS DIE HERETICS"
based tbh
arctic talon
now granted
solid horizon
I should paint my 30k skitarii grey and the other half blue I think
arctic talon
he also said some other shit
solid horizon
cause civil war
arctic talon
like "WE SHALL USE THE POWERS OF THE WARP TO EMPOWER US"
storm jungle
Actually, that means I get an iron cage story which is neat
they are gonna ruin that
storm jungle
ive been calling it for a year
arctic talon
turns out the True omnissiah Kelbor Hal worshipped
crystal forum
who's the true omnissiah
arctic talon
was the emperor anyways
hollow lantern
they are gonna ruin that
Maybe, ig it depends on whoever gets to write it
arctic talon
who's the true omnissiah
The martian sect worshipped the Dark King
crystal forum
was the emperor anyways
womp womp
hollow lantern
I mean I expect nothing besides "iron cage is finally written about"
solid horizon
I like their whole catchphrase of "without darkness there is no light, it reminds me of formulations I use a lot
without ugly people there is no beautiful people etc
crystal forum
would be nice to have a warp entity as the omnissiah but i dont think that ever comes up
arctic talon
Anyways kelbor hal got most of the Martian Legio cybernetica on his side
And most of the Martian skitarii on his side
And then he thought that would be enough
solid horizon
didnt he just hack them
storm jungle
i like how you can picture the writers naming him
and they are like
"lets make his surname Hal after that super evil robot in 2001"
solid horizon
lol
rancid cove
arctic talon
Kelbor Hal is a banger name
solid horizon
well my dark magos is named magnu cerebro
solid horizon
basically big brain
arctic talon
didnt he just hack them
he did that for some of them, but ultimately he decided to pull the trigger really fast lol
Which led to a lot of people just going
"What the fuck? no."
which meant that the loyalist mechanicum were less bound together as supporting the imperium
storm jungle
he also splooged scrapcode all over Mars too iirc
solid horizon
today I realised some character had a fucking stupid name but then I forgor, I should kms
arctic talon
he also splooged scrapcode all over Mars too iirc
Yeah he opened the stupid chud vault and went insane
lol
well
more insane
he already was not very mentally well at the onset of the Heresy
hollow lantern
So who the fuck was Scoria
arctic talon
So who the fuck was Scoria
We genuinely don't fucking know lmao
he was some high ranking archmagos
super loyal to mars
hollow lantern
Why does he have a model
solid horizon
didnt scoria invent most daemon engines
arctic talon
and then he came out a chaos worshipper
he invented like
2 of them
and he invented daemonmetal
hollow lantern
So he's just A Dude
arctic talon
which is relevant to all daemon engines
Yeah
he's literally just Alan Bligh's edgy OC
lol
he's got no fucking lore
hollow lantern
That's whack
hollow lantern
He's got a cool model
arctic talon
and he was really fucking strong
hollow lantern
arctic talon
his model is great
solid horizon
one is a big fucking metal dragon with shit weapons, and the other is a blocky crab with a tank gun commissioned by an edgy baldie with a ponytail
what a career
brave owl
Heldrakes look so fucking cool tho
solid horizon
do we know who built bloodslaughterers
hollow lantern
Heldrakes look so fucking cool tho
I really like stained glass style heldrakes
solid horizon
I remember reading about decimators on the lexicanum and text goes by "it was invented by the dark magos"
incredible
arctic talon
That's whack
Lemme just sumarize his lore
Loyal to Mars
was part of the rangdan xenocides
was imprisoned at some point by the Parliment of Xana
Went batshit insane under Xana and started worshipping Chaos
released by the Dark Mechanicum when Xana breaks into civil war and takes over Xana
arctic talon
do we know who built bloodslaughterers
iirc no
hollow lantern
Lemme just sumarize his lore
Loyal to Mars
was part of the rangdan xenocides
wa...
About as well written as Horus
arctic talon
lmao
we don't get any info on his personality
we got some on Alan Blighs other Edgy OC dark mech character
hollow lantern
I kinda figured he'd be more important
Considering he has a model and afaik Hal does not
solid horizon
horseskull guy
hollow lantern
Ik Dray cause of the Legions game tbh
solid horizon
xana is ultramar for dark mechanicum
solid horizon
me and the boys love being massacred by a fucking dumbass on diesos
I like how each hell/soulforge basically has its own gimmick and their own magos
arctic talon
Tbh
arctic talon
tbh
its hilarious Kelbor Hal didn't declare himself Fabricator General of Xana 2
like he was
for all intents and purposes
solid horizon
bro was going full sch!zo tho
doubt he was picturing it that way
I wonder one thing
how do soulforges ship daemon engines and other wargear, do customers come with their ship and take it back home ? do they have delivery ships ? do they teleport it with warp or rituals ?
arctic talon
how do soulforges ship daemon engines and other wargear, do customers come with ...
All of the above
vagrant fox
I wouldn't do delivery as darkmech
Come pick up your order within one week or it's forfeit
solid horizon
interesting
I dont think they do refunds
so basically dark mechanicum is in lore recasters
sounds legit
I guess my soulforge is drive in pickup and warp shipping
arctic talon
eviler amazon
solid horizon
I was going to say different flavor of evil
but actually it's the same flavor of evil
both severely mistreat and enslave their employees in hope for better and faster results
daring creek
Evil amazon
crystal forum
i wonder how strong the viltrum empire was before the plague
daring creek
A khorne worshipper ever off themselves to please khorne?
crystal forum
A khorne worshipper ever off themselves to please khorne?
the blood must be paid in combat
daring creek
I realize hes just a school shooter god
unique bronze
i wonder how strong the viltrum empire was before the plague
if what Kregg said was anything to go by then they've been hella nerfed huh
crystal forum
if what Kregg said was anything to go by then they've been hella nerfed huh
the fact that they had so many vitrumites just chilling on vitrum too
i guess the entire galaxy was under their thumb
having the numbers and the superman powers is wild
unique bronze
the fact that they had so many vitrumites just chilling on vitrum too
oh yeah.. 
were there just no viltrumites off planet at the time or something
languid meadow
pretty sure there were but like
the ones who survived were asymptomatic and shit and infected all the ones not on world
rancid cove
unique bronze
cant wait for the next episode
also that scene at the end in conquest's grave had me laughing lmao
languid meadow
languid meadow
I love this account because people back then were just naming their kids random shit
like now you can't do that because the courts will stop you and say it's "unethical"
Tyrants
!
rose thorn
Why the fuck is the new invincible game a 3v3 fighter
arctic talon
Why the fuck is the new invincible game a 3v3 fighter
It’s cool next question
Also it was in dev during a tag fighter drought
lol
So we have a bunch of tag fighters coming out within the next 2-3 years lol
rose thorn
Also it was in dev during a tag fighter drought
Is that why there is like 5 back to back super hero themed tag fighters
heady rivet
My ex
arctic talon
Is that why there is like 5 back to back super hero themed tag fighters
No but yes
rose thorn
Invincible, the new dc one, the marvel one, the MHA one,
I can’t think of more examples
arctic talon
what new DC one
lol
I'm deadass
I know about Toko and invincible
The MHA doesn't count
its an arena fighter(ew)
languid meadow
https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/2042969055305293897 that one fuck ass skitarii model
languid meadow
I didn't even know that MHA had a game coming out tf
unique bronze
but theyre in an arena
arctic talon
99% of them are slop thats easy to play with no real mechanics lol
unique bronze
fighting
languid meadow
would you consider...
unique bronze
arctic talon
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
arctic talon
for honor to be a fighting game
Yes
its a 3d fighting game
a very very unique one
lol
unique bronze
techs being spamming lights
languid meadow
I love for honor
languid meadow
unironically
arctic talon
you know how much someone loves a game
unique bronze
Love the combat, hate the PvP lmao
languid meadow
I want Juren obliterated
arctic talon
For Honor is cool but I fell off of it lol
arctic talon
I can handle horrific balance
languid meadow
the other being the division
arctic talon
but I cannot play as many fighting games
as I want lol
I am already juggling 4 as being properly played
arctic talon
the other being the division
they were gona make a F2P pvp extraction shooter for it btw
and then they killed it
(good)
lol
man what do you mean they made a second bridget plushie but she’s winking this time
I'm going to kill ArcSys merch
languid meadow
they were gona make a F2P pvp extraction shooter for it btw
we had a decent "extraction" shooter for the div already
it was survival
languid meadow
that shit was awesome
arctic talon
ngl
I wish I could like the division more
but the combat in that game feels very spongey lol
even in 2 which is way less spongey then 1
languid meadow
yea late game is rough
I hated when they added gear sets to Div 1 then brought over to 2
crystal forum
were there just no viltrumites off planet at the time or something <:KEKW_ogryn:...
we dont question that
nor how somebody can get infected through the hazmat suit
40k logic
flat nimbus
mask makes the mustache itch
daring creek
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1441008263595298836/1492560381741105322/r...
this makes me want marsh mellow
crystal forum
40k logic
i just find it funny how 40k authors specifically use the term "rebreather" instead of "respirator"
idk if it's a british thing
but those are so different
it would be literally impossible for rebreathers to let in contaminants since it's a closed air system like literal space suits use
opaque coyote
I just assume they fucked up decontamination once
Honestly considering how a lot of Viltrumites just suddenly started dying out of nowhere
I think there's definitely an incubation period where you feel just fine
So Nolan as an example could've gotten infected like weeks before
Maybe even in the bunk bed scene
And it only started kicking in
When he took the hazmat suit off
It is very likely that a huge portion already got infected and then only started getting symptoms much later
jade holly
Trying to come up with ways to make Luke Cage work in Rivals without doing Thing 2.0 but I’m drawing blanks 
celest dome
Grappler
Instead of doing a puncher/jumper hour abilities are set around healing yourself, grappling and throwing people
Tbh Vanguard could use more varied characters.
jade holly
Grappler
So I went a different route but he still has a grab
I gave him ye olde Rivals shine and made him use technology from 2099 to create his own Nanotech weapons that he can swap between
and his main form of tanking is through a passive I call Power play (get it cause his hero name is Powerman 
)
celest dome
Wouldn't giving him nanotechnology be kinda weird ?
jade holly
If they can make Rogue use Chronovium in her abilities I can give Luke Cage high tech gauntlets that can shape into new weapons
celest dome
Like not matching
jade holly
Well he’s street level and every hero that is street level got a new twist to them in game
Daredevil the big example
So why not give him something that allows him to punch up? Besides it helps make the idea of him using improvised weapons flow better in combat
celest dome
What did DD get ?
jade holly
That whole devil thing
celest dome
Haven't played MR since launch
celest dome
So possessed or something ? That's not the 1st time iirc
celest dome
Krahllak
celest dome
In the comics possess DD for a while
celest dome
Tbh what I'd like to see in Vanguards would be Ghost Rider, and Armour
Maybe the Blob too
jade holly
I wanna see Luke Cage, War Machine and Heimdall (though you could make Heimdall a melee Strategist)
And before you say anything, exhibit A on War Machine tank
fan art
celest dome
Having WM as a Duelist would be redundant, and as a Strategist quite strange
jade holly
Having WM as a Duelist would be redundant, and as a Strategist quite strange
If Deadpool can heal you by shooting you why can’t War Machine
Oh yeah Deadpool is all 3 roles
Like literally, there’s a Deadpool for each role
And banning one doesn’t ban them all
misty vector
And before you say anything, exhibit A on War Machine tank
gyatt
celest dome
Deadpool has that "wacky" factor.
Kinda over him since before the last movie tbh. Only watched it for Wolverine/Hugh Jackman
arctic talon
Having WM as a Duelist would be redundant, and as a Strategist quite strange
tbh they made rocket a strategist lol
jade holly
yeah him being a strategist is still hilarious
I love how they designed his ult to be “oh make sure you keep your team alive while pressuring the enemy”
I instead see it as the “MUST. KILL. BACKLINE.” Button
jade holly
I know it’s amazing
You sit back like a king piece in chess moving your pawns around, then you turn into the Queen piece
celest dome
Strategist from design stand point seem to be both healer/support and actual Strategist.
Could see Summer and Xavier being Strategist
And you get, like more than half of the Vanguard and Strategist could have been Duelist
Tbf
jade holly
I want Heimdall as a strat so badly
Imagine the first true melee strat with like 450 health
celest dome
Resurrection Strategist, able to place single use portals that speed up Resurrection/return
Bifrost ability beam à la Moira
celest dome
Strategist wise I would love to see more bad guys.
jade holly
Strategist wise I would love to see more bad guys.
Mysterio, High Evo, Arnim Zola I could see arguments for both Strategist and Vanguard
celest dome
Also having groups is always more fun:
Riders:
- Ghost Rider Vanguard
- Hood as Strategist or Duelist
- Deathrider as the remaining
MODOK could be a fun vanguard
jade holly
there's almost no villains in Rivals
I swear if we don’t get Doctor Doom in December
The month of Doomsday
jade holly
Hela
Hela, Magneto (if you wanna consider him a villain nowadays), Ultron, Loki, Namor(?)
celest dome
I dont
arctic talon
Ultron, Hela and thats it
celest dome
Magneto is a hero in this household
arctic talon
Namor, Loki and Magneto aren't evil enough regularly
they all flip flop
though Magneto isn't evil like
ever anymore
jade holly
Nowadays modern Magneto isn’t really evil
jade holly
But old Mag sure was
arctic talon
anyways yeah give me like
jade holly
jade holly
I do want Red Skull but they would def have to change things about him
arctic talon
also if they add a doom version
it should be not doom 2099
or the current doom
just have a third doom
"these dooms are fucking stupid, only I doom can protect the future"
jade holly
Given the Hydra in Rivals is more focused on the occult side, I could see them making Red Skull a warlock to Hive
Oh that reminds me
Hive is in the files
Like, literal Hive. The Hive
We even have concept art
From the old video going over the art of Rivals
daring creek
WOKE LIBERAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
daring creek
https://x.com/GlobalUpdates24/status/2043063585275023519?s=20 lmao
Also I think its valid to call maga a fascist ideology atp
Like it has to be by definition now
limpid granite
WOKE LIBERAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What are you some kinda sissy liberal
With your soft liberal hands and pretty liberal eyes
celest dome
Ib4 all American get excommunicated
undone elm
Super Earth mindset
misty vector
Clearly the true faith is whatever mega churches are doing
sacred ginkgo
Ib4 all American get excommunicated
That would be the ultimate power move by the church
"You guys are trying to enforce state religion which is sick but you're fucking doing it wrong"
"Stop, now"
fervent geode
"You guys are trying to enforce state religion which is sick but you're fucking ...
The Vatican Council no longer endorses State Religion since Dignitatis Humanae was declared in 1965
So they are literally heretics
storm jungle
were dicks
Well yeah they're space marines
even the most well-meaning Chapters at the end of the day are cunts because they serve a regime that slaughters billions of its citizens each day
civic gale
alright? i meant that by space marine standards they seem kinda worse than most
civic gale
alright
limpid granite
malevolent
fervent geode
Angels Vermillion
fervent geode
malevolent
Tbh they aren’t that bad
limpid granite
minotaurs
fervent geode
They are just pragmatists
copper island
Clearly the true faith is whatever mega churches are doing
"One of the signs of the Day of Judgment is that you will see barefoot, naked, poor shepherds of sheep and goats competing with each other in building tall buildings and boasting."
- Bukhari, FIten 25; Ahmad ibn Hanbal, Musnad, II/313
fervent geode
They’ve been assholes to the Sallies but whatever
limpid granite
space marine chapters are fun when they border on renegades
copper island
> "One of the signs of the Day of Judgment is that you will see barefoot, naked,...
that little arena at the bottom is where the Kaaba is
storm jungle
space marine chapters are fun when they border on renegades
Renegades?
this is just regular stuff they do
copper island
a bunch of arab billionaires financied by german corporations thought it funny to destroy entire neighborhoods to build this fuckahh clocktower just so they could pale the holiest place in the middle east
limpid granite
Soul Drinkers
also surpisingly a very loyal chapter
fervent geode
this is just regular stuff they do
Basically one bad day away from Excommunicate Traitoris chapters, like Black Dragons
storm jungle
Ultramarines literally kill children/teens on mass for recruits lol
fervent geode
But yeah otherwise the asshole chapters are generally on good standing
limpid granite
Basically one bad day away from Excommunicate Traitoris chapters, like Black Dra...
well black dragons are just mutated
storm jungle
Basically one bad day away from Excommunicate Traitoris chapters, like Black Dra...
Eh i wouldnt go that far really
fervent geode
also surpisingly a very loyal chapter
Dorn’s blood
celest dome
that little arena at the bottom is where the Kaaba is
What is the Kaaba
storm jungle
this fandom's perception of what Marines do to imperials is a bit far fetched lol
limpid granite
they arent radically mutated like soul drinkers
civic gale
"they are always careful to balance" they are just doing what any loyalist chapter must which is kill the xenos, mutant or traitor, i dont get this example
fervent geode
What is the Kaaba
It’s the Black Stone of Mecca where they make hajj
storm jungle
"they are always careful to balance" they are just doing what any loyalist chapt...
....did you miss the part of purging entire "sympathizers" part
fervent geode
It’s the Black Stone of Mecca where they make hajj
Supposed to be based off the house of god
celest dome
It’s the Black Stone of Mecca where they make hajj
Oh the thing they walk around
civic gale
yes, xenos and heretic sympathizers
copper island
What is the Kaaba
A stone building in Mecca which is the holiest city in earth concerning the islamic faith. it is an extremely important prayer shrine built within the Sacred Mosque of the birthplace of Mohammed
fervent geode
well black dragons are just mutated
That’s why they are hated, and also treated their Primaris like ass lol
fervent geode
Oh the thing they walk around
Yeap
limpid granite
people sympathizing with chaos
storm jungle
yes, xenos and heretic sympathizers
"Condemned" ones, which can basically just not be a correct assessment since this is the Imperium lol
limpid granite
an entity of evil
fervent geode
they arent radically mutated like soul drinkers
Tbh pre Sarpedon soul drinkers weren’t mutated at all
storm jungle
an entity of evil
Yeah I wonder why they sympathise with chaos, cannot definitely be because their lives are shit right
limpid granite
A stone building in Mecca which is the holiest city in earth concerning the isla...
blackstone fortress
storm jungle
Imperium apologists man i swear
limpid granite
Tbh pre Sarpedon soul drinkers weren’t mutated at all
i do wonder if the primaris soul drinkers will also recieve the same mutations as their original geneseed
celest dome
People turning to Chaos is because Chaos offer some relief
limpid granite
would be fun to tie that curse to their chapter as an entirety
storm jungle
Yeah they worship space satans because theres no end to it
celest dome
Even if it mask some bigger evils
fervent geode
Eh i wouldnt go that far really
It’s cool when your chapter could fucking die any day imho
storm jungle
from one arm of evil to another
civic gale
"Condemned" ones, which can basically just not be a correct assessment since thi...
i fail to see your point, they do what their are told otherwise they are called traitors, they are given orders to burn those civs for posssibly being into heretics or xenos, may some of the civ not done anything? yeah sure but like....damned by assocciation
storm jungle
i fail to see your point, they do what their are told otherwise they are called ...
"Damned by association" is a very fucked up way to look at what is essentially innocent civillians being burnt to death en-masse
fervent geode
i do wonder if the primaris soul drinkers will also recieve the same mutations a...
They wont, its revealed to be Tzeentchian, caused by a daemon fucking with Sarpedon in the Omnibus
celest dome
i fail to see your point, they do what their are told otherwise they are called ...
Cool motive, still fascism
limpid granite
They wont, its revealed to be Tzeentchian, caused by a daemon fucking with Sarpe...
guh
storm jungle
Cool motive, still fascism
^
civic gale
Cool motive, still fascism
never said otherwise
storm jungle
Would you be saying any of this if Salamanders were killing your entire city for a supposed crime you didnt even commit yourself
civic gale
Would you be saying any of this if Salamanders were killing your entire city for...
i mean.....are they not space marines?
storm jungle
i mean.....are they not space marines?
They are...? Our point is you trying to defend their actions saying "it makes sense"
fervent geode
Salamanders burning an entire city because of heretic presence is like Agatone’s Tuesday
storm jungle
lol
celest dome
Would you be saying any of this if Salamanders were killing your entire city for...
Or burn your whole planet cause you didn't execute the neighbouring Eldars
civic gale
They are...? Our point is you trying to defend their actions saying "it makes se...
it doesnt
but they are loyalists
civic gale
fascits
civic gale
so am i on what you tried to make your point
storm jungle
"they are always careful to balance" they are just doing what any loyalist chapt...
What the hell is this comment then
you started it lol
fervent geode
Real Sigma marines turned on the Feudal ProtoFascist Empire a long time ago
civic gale
i said about the flame falcons were dicks because if a whole ass city was in the way they'd let it burn, yeah sure that sucks, but they'd also leave behind brothers if they thought letting them die would be better for other tactics
civic gale
dilara you are bassicly comparing humans to the mamal
copper island
Real Sigma marines turned on the Feudal ProtoFascist Empire a long time ago<:Cup...
truke!
storm jungle
dilara you are bassicly comparing humans to the mamal
HUH
celest dome
But human are mamals 
storm jungle
WHAT
civic gale
unless im just that sleep deprived nothing you say is makign sense to me
storm jungle
But human are mamals <:wtfgryn:1099688205420347412>
also yeah what lol
civic gale
are not all imperium space marines loyalists?
storm jungle
?????
copper island
that's right... a few space marines' lives are worth more than the civilian population of an entire hive world omnicided into oblivion
storm jungle
Also lmao
celest dome
I fear I have lost the plot of this line of argument
civic gale
this chat confuses me
storm jungle
"this chat"
fervent geode
are not all imperium space marines loyalists?
What
civic gale
meaning they serve the emperor right?
celest dome
Some do toward specific organisations
fervent geode
To serve the Emperor
copper island
loyalists serve the emperor and the imperium, traitors serve chaos and the current warmaster
duh!!!!!!!!!
celest dome
Like the Minotaurs toward the High Lords on Terra
storm jungle
Yeah theres marines who serve specific parties
but it kinda loops around to "we serve the emperor too"
copper island
even i knew this stuff
fervent geode
It’s all the Emperor in the end
civic gale
but at some point dilara said something "you would not like to see the salamanders burn people" which yeah i do not, but are they not considered loyalists too ?
copper island
never finished eisenhorn award
fervent geode
Yeah they are
solid horizon
the emperor was a land raider
fervent geode
Loyalists burn people all the time boss
limpid granite
minotaurs serve the high lords
storm jungle
but at some point dilara said something "you would not like to see the salamande...
loyalists kill people all the time that arent heretics
copper island
but at some point dilara said something "you would not like to see the salamande...
loyalists kill everybody dawg
celest dome
but it kinda loops around to "we serve the emperor too"
It would be interesting to see the Emp revive to see a civil war tbh.
With it probably not being the Emperor anymore in that case
storm jungle
is this where you're confused at
fervent geode
All marines serve the High Lords
copper island
it doesnt matter WHO gets in the way
limpid granite
deathwatch just balls
fervent geode
It’s just that the Minos are their dogs
civic gale
loyalists kill people all the time that arent heretics
so what are salamanders?
copper island
they will kill entire innocent civilian populations just to kill heretics
fervent geode
so what are salamanders?
Loyalist Space Marines
civic gale
not loyalists?
storm jungle
oh my god
copper island
so what are salamanders?
salamanders are loyalists
fervent geode
Why not
copper island
😭
celest dome
Salamanders do kill people that aren't heretics or Xenos
fervent geode
storm jungle
solid horizon
I mean look even in dawn of war, bravens fucking masssacre the kronus guard because they wont take orders
storm jungle
Loyalists does not "= good guy"
civic gale
i know
copper island
enlightened centrist finds out that the imperium are, in fact, bad people
fervent geode
I mean look even in dawn of war, bravens fucking masssacre the kronus guard beca...
Again at Kaurava coz they not sigma ig
solid horizon
me when I'm in a morally questionable competition and my opponent is a braven
fervent geode
Kaurava was self-defense
Dilara = Indrick Boreale 
civic gale
my point is that this all stemmed from the comment i made about flame hawks which were dicks and the first answer i got from dilara is "they are loyalists" of course this confused my tiny little brain
storm jungle
my point is that this all stemmed from the comment i made about flame hawks whic...
....what
copper island
my point is that this all stemmed from the comment i made about flame hawks whic...
yes because all loyalists are dicks
ofc theyre dicks they work for an omnicidal fascist imperium
storm jungle
^
civic gale
Well yeah they're space marines
sorry then i misunderstood i thought you called them loyalists, my bad
storm jungle
wh-
copper island
sorry then i misunderstood i thought you called them loyalists, my bad
they ARE loyalists
solid horizon
warhammer lets you chose which flavor of dick you want
storm jungle
they.... they are loyalists
limpid granite
my point is that this all stemmed from the comment i made about flame hawks whic...
fire hawks were kinda obliterated because they could all use immolate
storm jungle
what is this debate
copper island
solid horizon
spiky dick, green dick, metal dick, faithful dick, etc
storm jungle
okay so i feel like we need to clear this up
copper island
true idk why i mentioned "enlightened centrism" before
fervent geode
fire hawks were kinda obliterated because they could all use immolate
Flame Falcons but yeah
copper island
because there is genuinely NO good side in 40k
fervent geode
Fire Hawks fucked off and died in the warp
solid horizon
necrons are the good guys
civic gale
fire hawks were kinda obliterated because they could all use immolate
didnt they...get fucked by a warp storm...?
storm jungle
LOYALIST is an allignment all of the Imperium is because they are LOYAL to the Imperium.
Thats what the word means.
solid horizon
chaos is good guys according to chaos guys, loyalists are good guys according to loyalists
civic gale
i thought you meant fire hawks
i did
solid horizon
it's manichean, but subjective manicheism
fervent geode
Fire Hawks and Flame Falcons
Some underpaid index Astartes geezer
civic gale
or some because these guys?
fervent geode
Yeah they did
civic gale
yknow the ghost legion
fervent geode
or some because these guys?
The ones who didn’t die
limpid granite
and now theyre even cooler as legion of the damned
copper island
fervent geode
yeah they were loyalists killed because they had cool fire powers
No that’s the Flame Falcons
The Fire Hawks were normal marines until after the warp trip
limpid granite
confusing
fervent geode
Yeah
civic gale
yeah they were loyalists killed because they had cool fire powers
i dont think warp storms discriminate
fervent geode
Stupid names as usual
civic gale
oh wait
storm jungle
just ignore it lol
limpid granite
oh well legion of the damned is even cooler
civic gale
whatever they were yeh i like the legion of the damned
copper island
oh well legion of the damned is even cooler
these are the GOOD GUYS btw
limpid granite
im sorry that im not devoid of joy
copper island
IN CASE you couldnt tell
civic gale
i like the style
storm jungle
im sorry that im not devoid of joy
"devoid of joy" more like having some actual taste
solid horizon
also Ghost Rider called
I remember a DoW mod that adds legion of the damned and the bike description is like "This might be nicolas cage on a motorcycle"
storm jungle
Not untrue
civic gale
im pretty sure these guys were inspired by the early interations of ghost rider
storm jungle
the fire hawks and fire falcons?
https://youtu.be/u7oTlg0DlNQ?t=1044
Timestamped 17:24, he explains it all there
fervent geode
I remember a DoW mod that adds legion of the damned and the bike description is ...
Sergeant Nikolaus Kagius of the Fire Hawks
civic gale
https://youtu.be/u7oTlg0DlNQ?t=1044
Timestamped 17:24, he explains it all there
i saw that video
limpid granite
very swag
storm jungle
i saw that video
bruh
solid horizon
Nicolas "Iron" Cage
fervent geode
Warsmith Khage sounds like a real dude almost
civic gale
true
storm jungle
if you saw it then why are you confused still lol
solid horizon
if we get live action warhammer and nicolas cage doesnt play peter turbo im not watching
civic gale
ghost rider came up on 1992-1994 and in 1999 a white dwarf with these guys
copper island
space marines be like "I am Sergeant Sir. Martin Luther "KILLPEOPLE" King SENIOR....... And I Am Here To Help!"
civic gale
its probably coicident but ill choose to believe what makes me happy
civic gale
if you saw it then why are you confused still lol
¯_(ツ)_/¯
solid horizon
space marines be like "I am Sergeant Sir. Martin Luther "KILLPEOPLE" King SENIOR...
"Hello my name is lieutnant Christopher Jesus, I am the encyclopedia editor and ball inspector of the blood morbius chapter"
civic gale
"Hello my name is lieutnant Christopher Jesus, I am the encyclopedia editor and ...
haha
solid horizon
fiddler on the roof
fervent geode
Diddler
storm jungle
wrong franchise
solid horizon
civic gale
shit villain, i prefer the drugs one
copper island
eisenhorn's such a basic ass dude
storm jungle
thats the riddler
copper island
he's so funny
civic gale
i mean steroids are drugs, bane just uses an ungoldly ammount of venom
sad to see he becomes a husk in beyond
solid horizon
I like how Bane went from super aryan mega mercenary who happened to have been imprisoned in mexico, to mexican wrestler hitman
civic gale
"what drugs do to a man" indeed
civic gale
I like how Bane went from super aryan mega mercenary who happened to have been i...
depends on the multiverse i guess
solid horizon
bro legit looks like a space marine
civic gale
while space marines are surgeries tho....he just gets monster energy drink pumping through his vains
solid horizon
dude looks like a nazi im sorry
storm jungle
I like how Bane went from super aryan mega mercenary who happened to have been i...
He was always hispanic coded since his entire design is based on a luchadore
they just made him a white guy because uhhh caucasian comic writers moment
solid horizon
tbh I like him as a white guy because it makes him look like a neonazi mercenary with cultural appropriation
= eviler
civic gale
what
solid horizon
"so no lol" Yes I do
storm jungle
Okay, no one else does
solid horizon
are we going to do this again
storm jungle
I mean what do you want me to say, no one sees bane as a "white guy neonazi"
which is a crazy take considering hes literally from the carribbean lmao
flat nimbus
yeah like every Bane is Hispanic
storm jungle
Yeah that
flat nimbus
There has never been a white Bane
civic gale
yknow what nevermind, im gonna go game space marine 2 and have my cannon ideas that make me happy, like the fact that salamanders are the good gys
copper island
storm jungle
There has never been a white Bane
Tbh there has but like white people can be hispanic too lol
copper island
absolute batman is cool
flat nimbus
well sure
storm jungle
(mostly)
copper island
batman and the croc beating his shit in
flat nimbus
but like we don’t have Gusano Bane (yet)
storm jungle
absolute batman is cool
Bane's issues are amazing
civic gale
shit iteration
copper island
shit iteration
0/10 ragebait
storm jungle
Absolute Batman is prob the most creative version of the character ive ever read
civic gale
ill let you know when im trying to ragebait
solid horizon
edgelords gonna edge with absolute batman
civic gale
i dont like absolute batman issues
storm jungle
edgelords gonna edge with absolute batman
Ever read a single issue of it?
solid horizon
yes, but its not my thing
copper island
im kind of a larper because absolute batman is like my only induction into batman (or comics in general) at all
storm jungle
also you must be new to comics if you think this is "edgelord" stuff
go back to 2010
storm jungle
im kind of a larper because absolute batman is like my only induction into batma...
Lucky intro tbh
its probably the most fresh take on batman in decades
solid horizon
I mean the only batman comics I own are from the 70s-90s so
civic gale
i am curious to see what will happen to two face and penguin after their whole encounter with...what ever monstrosity calls itself bane but eh
storm jungle
i am curious to see what will happen to two face and penguin after their whole e...
so you dont like it but still read it?
solid horizon
I liked the more grounded aspect of it
flat nimbus
Abs Bat is wild because Snyder’s mainline bats was so blah by the end
civic gale
so you dont like it but still read it?
for me not to like something i have to know why i dont like it
copper island
but i really like the idea as batman being a working class civil engineer who beats the shit out of the instutitional ills of society
solid horizon
also you must be new to comics if you think this is "edgelord" stuff
it's just not the kind of thing I read
storm jungle
but i really like the idea as batman being a working class civil engineer who be...
It makes him actually relatable
civic gale
same shit as saying "i dont like how this tastes" without ever tasting it
storm jungle
like im sorry but i dont give a shit about bruce as a rich guy lol
copper island
this is probably the BEST redition of batman i've ever seen (which probably doesnt mean much considering its my first book series)
solid horizon
Im more of a humanoides associes type comics guy
storm jungle
"i defend the common man" he says as he beats up mentally ill people
civic gale
but i really like the idea as batman being a working class civil engineer who be...
that part is rather cool i agree
flat nimbus
like im sorry but i dont give a shit about bruce as a rich guy lol
I do but only when he’s being flagellated for it
“Ah shit ah crap my parents actually sucked”
storm jungle
I do but only when he’s being flagellated for it
Yeah which doesnt happen a lot tbh
even the "Thomas Wayne was an awful person" is a very modern iteration
solid horizon
absolute batman scarecrow looks like mr bean ngl
flat nimbus
even the "Thomas Wayne was an awful person" is a very modern iteration
yeah, and it’s a good one!
storm jungle
"looks like mr bean"
literally just brown suit
copper island
"i defend the common man" he says as he beats up mentally ill people
bruce wayne also being a secret antagonist because he reinforces institutional power due to his position as being amongst societal elites (while also beating up desperate "villains" who have been abandoned by the disorderly hell that is post-war america) could also be a cool storyline
storm jungle
bruce wayne also being a secret antagonist because he reinforces institutional p...
Yeah exactly even if its unintentional
Batman tells us to trust the system but uhh that message is like completely rotten today lol
flat nimbus
well, that’s also a constant fracture in the narratives
Half the time the GCPD is so rife with corruption you’re better off not calling them ever
storm jungle
Also one of Absolute Batman's artists for the comics made this artwork so he'll always be the goat to me
civic gale
absolute batman scarecrow looks like mr bean ngl
his "simple" face with the brown suit and red tie, i can....somehwat
see the resemblance
solid horizon
mr bean
storm jungle
he has an entire issue where he beats up and brutalises white supremacists
copper island
Also one of Absolute Batman's artists for the comics made this artwork so he'll ...
this is so fucking fire
storm jungle
abslute peak
copper island
storm jungle
this is so fucking fire
you need to read that entire Issue annual im ngl
its a one-shot as well
solid horizon
Also one of Absolute Batman's artists for the comics made this artwork so he'll ...
I guess subtext is for losers
storm jungle
I guess subtext is for losers
Yes it is
especially in this age lol
murderers get what they deserve 
copper island
storm jungle
copper island
working-class batman fucking squaring up against beat cops and klansmen is so. fvcking. PEAAAAAAK
storm jungle
storm jungle
working-class batman fucking squaring up against beat cops and klansmen is so. f...
Ill stop posting panels until you read it but yes
copper island
how could you not like ts bro
storm jungle
very good issue and you can tell what it was made in response to
storm jungle
how could you not like ts bro
Only if you're a neonazi
which a lot of people that got upset at this Issue were
lmao
copper island
yeahhhhh lol
solid horizon
1800s aah mob
valid needle
"i defend the common man" he says as he beats up mentally ill people
You mean criminals
copper island
1800s aah mob
yes because violent beat cops and puritanical racists are a thing of the past
storm jungle
Always ignoring modern problems
copper island
You mean criminals
who's gonna tell him
storm jungle
You mean criminals
Why do they commit crimes i wonder
solid horizon
Always ignoring modern problems
I meant visually
storm jungle
I meant visually
i was speaking generally lol
solid horizon
I am not that fucking stupid even tho I am
limpid granite
Why do they commit crimes i wonder
because arkham city is cursed
valid needle
Why do they commit crimes i wonder
Why does someone murder another person idk I’m not a psycho.
storm jungle
Why does someone murder another person idk I’m not a psycho.
Yeah because crime only correlates to murder right
storm jungle
not really a thing in most batman media
the "city is cursed" thing is like extremely old 2010 stuff
its just a way for the writers to explain why Gotham is a shithole lol
(and totally not because of rent)
valid needle
Yeah because crime only correlates to murder right
I ain’t even getting into a defending criminals argument on a Sunday
storm jungle
I ain’t even getting into a defending criminals argument on a Sunday
Then dont start one
copper island
maybe it's because most of the villains have been ruthlessly abandoned by their civil society and the whole proponent of the urban-hell citystate that is gothem city is to further interests of collaborationist bourgeoisie cabals
valid needle
Then dont start one
I don’t
copper island
maybe it's because most of the villains have been ruthlessly abandoned by their ...
KKKurious. . .
storm jungle
maybe it's because most of the villains have been ruthlessly abandoned by their ...
Also yeah this
no one is defending actual bad criminals lol
but throwing them all in a basket is a very backwards point of view
valid needle
"every criminal is evil" is a very slippery slope lol
I never said this I said criminals are still criminals regardless of mental health. I have mental health issues but I don’t rob people or commit murder.
storm jungle
its the entire reason places like american prisons are horrible because they all get treated like animals
copper island
the amerikan prison complex is abhorrent
storm jungle
I never said this I said criminals are still criminals regardless of mental heal...
thats you and thats because you have the means not to
not everyone is as lucky as we are
Theres a literal fucking batman comic where they cover this lmao
copper island
the amerikan prison complex is abhorrent
gotham asylum is a virtual one-to-one copy of most privatized (and public) prison sectors
storm jungle
gotham asylum is a virtual one-to-one copy of most privatized (and public) priso...
Also this 100%
thats literally what it parodies
Arkham is a horrible institution that enables this stuff
same with Blackgate prison
limpid granite
the joker fucking up arkham for the 100th time alongside his goons
flat nimbus
maybe it's because most of the villains have been ruthlessly abandoned by their ...
if only a robust social safety net could save Victor Zsasz from himself
storm jungle
yeah its called the death penalty
LMAO
batman villains are hilarious because they go from harmless goober to literally jack the ripper
😭
Not Zsasz knocking on my door at night about to carve me up
flat nimbus
I feel bad that saying anything about “Arkham City” outside the context of that game is a ‘that’s not how a German counts to 3’ but
copper island
if only a robust social safety net could save Victor Zsasz from himself <:Sitgry...
way deeper vro
copper island
that and Zsasz basically lost everything on his own proponent
storm jungle
Also yeah
copper island
that mf literally got extorted by the PENGUIN afterwards
flat nimbus
anyway, not trying to rag on being exposed to Batman via other means than being a dork who read fuckin’ Knightfall
storm jungle
average las vegas moment
tough haven
storm jungle
anyway, not trying to rag on being exposed to Batman via other means than being ...
tbh its a mix of a lot of things
Batman in general at his core is just not really a good character to satirize society with because hes a plutocrat
you cannot be a "good" rich guy just from the things your company commits
its why Absolute Batman is so neat to watch because Bruce is just a worker
flat nimbus
he’s not even a plutocrat half the time, he’s a dilettante heir
storm jungle
LOL
copper island
a plutocrat who beats up mentally ill maniacs while sitting in his private cave
storm jungle
also yeah that
and uhhh he can never get them help
because we need them to show up for the next Issue
flat nimbus
Telltale Batman was nice
storm jungle
because... DC has just 1 main timeline
Telltale Batman was goated for that yeah
really tackles that actual issue
storm jungle
also Thomas Wayne basically being an **stein accomplice
💀
drugs people to make them insane to take their lands and send them to arkham
EXTREMELY relevant lmao
copper island
LOL
flat nimbus
“Your fortune was stolen via gaslighting, Bruce.”
“Well… do I still get to keep the company?”
“Sure, just beat the shit out of Penguin.”
storm jungle
The most realistic part was Alfred hiding all this
flat nimbus
poor fuckin Alfred
green loom
Lex is evil because he's rich and obsessed and doesn't do anything to help others
Batman is the same he just beats up different people
flat nimbus
“The fuck was I supposed to do, Bruce, tell you your dad deserved it?”
storm jungle
Lex's best character trait for me is uh
can fix the entire world
but doesnt because he wants to aurafarm on superman
i loved when Clark outright says this too
storm jungle
Lex is evil because he's rich and obsessed and doesn't do anything to help other...
also thats another thing
Bruce cannot fix gotham because we need it to be a shithole
for like storytelling purposes etc
its literally like 40k
"Nothing must change because we gotta keep the status quo for the readers"
solid horizon
to be fair bruce is kind of a loony himself
storm jungle
He 100% is and knows it but thats not the main reason
its very much just "everything has to be on limbo because this is the main comic timeline"
flat nimbus
yeah the main reason is the Court of Owls
storm jungle
Little Owl's Island
😭
also who knew we have the Court IRL but they dont even bother hiding
storm jungle
i like how much people mocked that look
then it went around to
"okay nvm this shit is sick"
green loom
He's like the only one that looks like that is the funny part
copper island
a civil engineer but an engineer nonetheless
storm jungle
ıts something new most batman stuff has never done before
copper island
the adhoc makeshift suit with kevlar strapped to it, as well as the scrap-stamped blade is peak
storm jungle
He's like the only one that looks like that is the funny part
THEY SAY THIS IN THE COMIC TOO
"How did you find me?"
"Bruce you are built like a fucking brick shithouse."
the writers playing into the joke is so funny
Alfred outsight says he sticks out like a sore thumb
green loom
Like Superman and Wonder woman are just normal comic hot and then Bruce is Haffthor Bjornson
copper island
isnt alfred like an MI6 agent?
storm jungle
WW is just WW which is fine
copper island
i havent read that much
green loom
yeah Absolute Superman is like a supertwink
It's great I love it
storm jungle
isnt alfred like an MI6 agent?
i cant recall if its MI6 but yeah hes an agent
green loom
He's
copper island
ABSOLUTE WONDERWOMAN 😍
solid horizon
wasnt alfred as SAS as well at some point
storm jungle
yeah he was
solid horizon
what has this man not been
copper island
look at that heightmog bro
storm jungle
valid needle
not everyone is as lucky as we are
Fair point. Theft to feed your family etc i understand but I still think there is some crime that we can’t excuse like murder or SA.
storm jungle
Fair point. Theft to feed your family etc i understand but I still think there i...
Well yeah thats what we are saying
its just not nice to blanket-term all criminals
solid horizon
he's gettin the view
storm jungle
theres absolutely criminals that deserve the worst treatment you can imagine
but uhhh shame even the justice system cant do that
ruin an entire man's life
"5 months"
Correct
copper island
i think RAPISTS should die
celest dome
When mom met someone she know but you just want to finish and go home
solid horizon
i think RAPISTS should die
hang em upside down to the ceiling with a hook and chains by the balls
copper island
but even with a functioning justice system (and not the one in america that is designed to be easily exploitable to suit the interests of economic elites), a death penalty would only encourage rapists to hide their tracks (i.e, kill their victims)
copper island
but even with a functioning justice system (and not the one in america that is d...
this doesnt apply to the batman villains tho
all of them should lowk DIE
storm jungle
LOL
yeah again they dont unless its like
"OH NO THEY SLIPPED AND FELL"
good job bruce
solid horizon
if you kill batman villains you also kill the comic's economic profit
copper island
yeah we know
storm jungle
yeah we said it before
copper island
blah blah blah gotham has to stay a bourgeoisie poverty-stricken shithole
storm jungle
again 40k rules
copper island
and the villains cant die because that'll ruin the whole point of the comic
storm jungle
status-quo must remain
copper island
yeah 40k rules
storm jungle
and the villains cant die because that'll ruin the whole point of the comic
unless its like uhh
sidestory/oneshot shit
copper island
is absolute batman main story?
storm jungle
Sidestory
copper island
ah
storm jungle
its not a main timeline, its a AU darkseid made
green loom
I like that in the Harley Quinn show Batman is just Elon Musk
copper island
"darkseid"
storm jungle
I like that in the Harley Quinn show Batman is just Elon Musk
"WHERES MY ELECTRIC CAR BRUCE"
storm jungle
"darkseid"
actually spelt that way btw
like he has a goofy ass name
but the man is PURE aura
solid horizon
grey thanos
storm jungle
he predates him
solid horizon
I know
copper island
bruce wayne also being a secret antagonist because he reinforces institutional p...
AGAIN
this would be a fire premise
solid horizon
eventually they gave birth to steppenwolf or idk I never read a single marvel comic
copper island
but the man is PURE aura
i dont actually know anything about the whole thing with alternate AUs being created
i like absolute batman tho
its the first comic series i actually liked
i DID read a bit of DMZ tho (unrelated to marvel)
green loom
bruce wayne also being a secret antagonist because he reinforces institutional p...
We have an outline for it, in Dark Knight returns(the movie) there's a psychiatrist guy that goes on about how Bruce is a maniac that uses/creates his own villains as an extension of his delusions
He's wrong of course and Joker chops his neck open but it's a cool idea
storm jungle
i dont actually know anything about the whole thing with alternate AUs being cre...
Its nothing too complex but basically he made it so that ALL the superheroes from mainline DC here are on the "downlow" while supervillain rivals they have are all at the top of society, because the literal rule of reality itself makes it so that Evil Always Prevails or at least gets the best advantages
its why i love the dynamic of Bruce being a bluecollar while Joker is just a trillionaire
copper island
Its nothing too complex but basically he made it so that ALL the superheroes fro...
i am aware of the premise of the absolute universe but im not really aware about the whole in-lore universe creating thing with other superheroes/villains
green loom
Joker is literally just Peter Thiel with less makeup
storm jungle
i am aware of the premise of the absolute universe but im not really aware about...
atm its just relegated to earth so not much to know dont worry lol
storm jungle
Joker is literally just Peter Thiel with less makeup
Remember when people said Joker draining blood from fetuses to stay young was "too goofy"?
copper island
yeah it's just batman with modern socioeconomic politics
copper island
batman if it was ACTUALLY RELATABLE