40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

its literally just action hero toy rules

[heady rivet]

Have you ever heard the Austrian neo-nazi who did a cover of this song rapping about hyperborea

[celest dome]

Imo Drop Chutes should also be able to be used as Jump pack, physic wise

[wet valley]

I’m probably just overthinking it but the thought came into my head randomly and had me pondering for a bit

[storm jungle]

yeah dont lol

40k never deals with realistic stuff

[vagrant fox]

According to Deathwatch the power armour weighs in the range of 500 kg to 1000 kg, powerful enough to propel that and don't worry about the physics beyond

[storm jungle]

These models and weapons that come with them are just made because it looks cool, most novels never bother even trying to mention it

[celest dome]

There is an excerpt where some SM just crash through the floor/stairs iirc

[wet valley]

Also how exactly do stealth astartes work? Do they have extra padding on the bottom of their boots?

[vagrant fox]

They sneak real good

[storm jungle]

Literally never explained

its just "they are that good"

and some bullshit about the power armor marks

....which is also stupid lol

[gleaming gale]

"Don't question marine slop, chud, buy more primaris"

[celest dome]

If 40k had to explain everything it had it would be a very weird setting

[vagrant fox]

Raven Guard cheat, the rest have to use cover and holes in defences

[wet valley]

My theory is that the bottoms of the boots have some kind of sound dampening thing. Elephants have something similar with their feet

[storm jungle]

Its literally shit like using specialized stealth gear, advanced physiological control, and highly trained infiltration techniques.

madeup nonsense

[gleaming gale]

Meanwhile Ragnar just uses a bush and has an ork piss on his face

[vagrant fox]

A Night Lord hides among some generators to mask the sound of his power armour but we don't often get explanations like that afaik

[storm jungle]

yeah "masking" sneaking is never really done that much

its usualy just "they are THAT good at stealth"

okay solid snake

[heady rivet]

Orks only poop so its pop, get it lore accurate

[vagrant fox]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kevin-sigh

[gleaming gale]

❗

[storm jungle]

🫡

[heady rivet]

Taking that as a no

[gleaming gale]

nuh uh, book says it

[heady rivet]

Let me find it dw

[gleaming gale]

Ragnar gets golden showered

[vagrant fox]

Who decided to make phones so expensive this is chuddery XXL

[heady rivet]

Hands to yourself, sneak thief

[storm jungle]

👎

[vagrant fox]

👎

[gleaming gale]

👎

[vagrant fox]

no

[storm jungle]

I love how much people say this shit not knowing shes literally an irradiated burnt sack of flesh

[heady rivet]

Holy shit I found it actually

[heady rivet]

Her DISGUSTING face

[storm jungle]

potato left under radiator

[gleaming gale]

I wanted to eat manicot, I compromised

[storm jungle]

also lmao

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1s8evgh/how_do_space_marine_chapters_achieve_stealth/

[vagrant fox]

Anecdotally I once read about someone taking part in some medieval reenactment and a few guys in plate and on horses used a hill to sneak around and were never heard
Mildly interesting

[storm jungle]

watch out

wankmarine guard in full patrol

[heady rivet]

The world itself is quite loud

[vagrant fox]

me swanging this thang around thumping everywhere

[gleaming gale]

A medieval peasant today would die from sensory overload

[wet valley]

Maybe the average 40k fight involving astartes is so loud that you can’t hear them coming

[storm jungle]

🔇 type shit

[wet valley]

It’s like trying to hear someone whispering at a rock concert

[storm jungle]

marines sneak in non-combat scenarios too

[vagrant fox]

Where's that art of the reivers aura farming on some goons

the really silly one

[heady rivet]

There you go

Not until 1877

[gleaming gale]

Official art btw

[vagrant fox]

yea that one

[storm jungle]

tbh a lot of the art in that book is relaly iffy or stiff lol

[vagrant fox]

when you trust a fart a little too much

[celest dome]

Honestly while still hella weird, it could make some slight sense if it happen on an active battlefield where there is a lot of bombardment and stuff

[storm jungle]

but there isnt

[vagrant fox]

It's fine, it happens

[storm jungle]

marines sneak usually in non-combat scenarios

lol

[vagrant fox]

beats guardslop

this is true

[wet valley]

Don’t disrespect my favorite regular ahh human faction who gets shit on in almost every fight

PLANET BROKE BEFORE THE GUARD DID

[vagrant fox]

I have decades of pent up hatred from guardsloppers talking about testicles nonstop

[rocky gale]

https://klipy.com/gifs/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-blight

[gleaming gale]

"You wouldn't last an hour on Catachan bruv"

[wet valley]

Why testicles?

[vagrant fox]

Guardsmen are sooo cool they got such huge, veiny, throbbing testicles

I don't know it happened for years

[gleaming gale]

Where's the lie

[storm jungle]

"big adamantium balls"

this literally made it into a novel btw

guard LOVE sucking on balls

[gleaming gale]

Which one

[storm jungle]

[sharp pollen]

every single one

[heady rivet]

https://youtu.be/bYpCy61c8JE

Kill em dead

[gleaming gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueufxzUjsS0

[heady rivet]

I turned this on but it sounds the same as my normal life

[rocky gale]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ascending-heaven

[gleaming gale]

Halo youtube lore peaked

[heady rivet]

https://youtu.be/RBtchh_R4XY Die again to this

[rocky gale]

I don't get the joke, you're just posting good music

[vagrant fox]

This one just gives me a headache

[heady rivet]

Thats it I'm posting the Austrian

[rocky gale]

But I don't speak Austrian

[vagrant fox]

Worry not they just speak german

[rocky gale]

I'd prefer if they spoke Austrian

[heady rivet]

https://youtu.be/IlZ-Lclu54E

[gleaming gale]

Oida

[vagrant fox]

I can't say the same about Swiss German, not intelligible

When Austrians get to that level they can have a different language

[heady rivet]

When my mom was in Italy in the 80s she and her Italian boyfriend walked into a bakery in Venice. The woman behind the counter said something to them and she didnt understand so she turned to her Florence-born boyfriend. He also did not understand her, as he thought she spoke German, under the assumption my Blonde mother was one

She was speaking in Italian.

[vagrant fox]

A lot of regional dialects are apparently not mutually intelligible down in the evil boot

They should go back to killing each other

[gleaming gale]

https://tenor.com/view/pauly-commendatore-comendatore-sopranos-italy-gif-27613177

[vagrant fox]

also you're mother clowned with an italian lmbo bozo 🫵

[heady rivet]

Yeah he was a nepobaby failson

Very funny

[rocky gale]

Who didn't speak Italian?

[arctic talon]

China reference

Mutual intelligibility is a lie

Made up by big Qing

[vagrant fox]

True

[heady rivet]

All 3 parties in this bakery story were fluent in Italian

The accent in Venice is just that strong

[rocky gale]

Oh

[vagrant fox]

Even tiny Denmark had dialects barely mutually intelligible until they were wiped out

[arctic talon]

It’s even funnier in that some of the regional “dialects” aren’t even mutually intelligible within themselves past a mountain range

[vagrant fox]

Qing did this

[arctic talon]

The Qing complained about anyone not speaking mandarin

While being Manchu’s

What did they mean by this

Me when I have to commit cultural genocide against myself because I’m bored

[vagrant fox]

One dialect used definite articles like "the" in english instead of changing the suffix of a word and now it's basically dead

The Manchu were basically fail yakubs don't question their plan

[fervent geode]

They tried teaching Manchu really early on but gave up really fast

Like the Yuan with Mongol except the Yuan didn’t eventually flood Mongolia with Han Settlers after they gave up

[arctic talon]

The Yuan also didn’t stop like, speaking Mongol

The Manchu literally mandated everyone had to speak mandarin for some reason

[vagrant fox]

Look up how many loanwords from Mongolian exist in chinese and visa versa in mongolian while I brush my teeth and compare it to manchu also

[fervent geode]

True, they had all the mongols still speaking Mongol

Meanwhile Puyi ranting about Manchu being an ass language and iirc Tongzhi just refusing to study it properly

[arctic talon]

There’s not many iirc

I know there’s a few tho

[fervent geode]

The languages don’t really jive iirc yeah

[arctic talon]

There’s like a lot more that are disused now

But there’s a few that are in the modern like, lexicon rarely

[fervent geode]

Manchu should have more though I mean loanwords from Chinese

[rocky gale]

You just got to do whatever flows with the language

[arctic talon]

Calmest puyi crashout

[fervent geode]

Probably following total Qing death

[arctic talon]

Bro wanted to put nails in cakes and make court officials eat them

💀

[fervent geode]

Apparently the only word he was sure of was “arise” since he said it in court daily

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

[fervent geode]

Wasn’t ts man beating eunuchs when bored

[rocky gale]

Like Irish English adding in their own grammar rules from Gaeilge, just whatever works.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Apparently Min/hokkien has ties to old Chinese which I didn’t know until I did some research

Bcs it has 3 tones for something one tone in mandarin and Cantonese

[fervent geode]

Interesting

[arctic talon]

Either that or it mutated in its own

[fervent geode]

Idk four death and ten sound the same in Hokkien maybe that’s one

[arctic talon]

But historian says it’s old

lol

[arctic talon]

It’s for the T/Th/D sound

When in Cantonese it’s just D and mandarin it’s T/Th depending on accent

[fervent geode]

Hmm I see

Still very annoying

[arctic talon]

Cursed stuff tbh

It’s interesting but like

Anyways I like weird regional dialects

[vagrant fox]

Alas they are being deleted

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[fervent geode]

Some just don’t die, but alas some are literally in the crematorium rn

RIP teochew

[vagrant fox]

Denmark had over 30 somewhere down to 3 barely distinct ones

[fervent geode]

Damn

That’s like France

[arctic talon]

Always sucks

[vagrant fox]

Same in our Faroe Islands where each valley had it's particular enunciation and now it's just northern vs southern dialect
Standardised schooling is the devil, we can conclude

[rocky gale]

It's why I'm glad Irish is encouraging the learning of regional dialects in said regions

[fervent geode]

Occitan, Provençal, Norman, Wallonian, Picard, Alsatian, Burguignion, Savoyard?! NON, all of you must DIE, and speak Academie Parisien

[rocky gale]

Rather than just forcing Standard on everyone

[vagrant fox]

Ireland hates unity confirmed

[fervent geode]

Ireland Warring States soon

I’m taking over Longford when it starts

[solid horizon]

Breton, Gallo

[fervent geode]

Schools bad, I was right as a kid

[vagrant fox]

Dyflin will rise again

[solid horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/breizh-bretagne-brittany-breton-scream-if-you-love-gif-17695006152904973731

[arctic talon]

The South(China) will rise again

[fervent geode]

Those aren’t French dialects but yeah they are getting killed too, along with Alsatien, Pyrenees Basque and Corsican, yeah Academie language massacre incoming lads

[vagrant fox]

Correct
I decided that when I got school books from the cold war it was a waste of my time

[arctic talon]

It’s so funny how in guangdong there’s a rumor/legend that Cantonese almost became the standard when the CCP voted for standardized Chinese

[fervent geode]

Real

[arctic talon]

Like even the local CCP pushes it

Which is fucking hilarious

I wonder how Beijing feels about it

[solid horizon]

they aren't french but they are still part of france for geographical reasons

technically gallo is

[fervent geode]

I’d rather all dialects die than Kwang Dong Owah or whatever becomes the government language

[solid horizon]

breton not so much since it's a celtic language

[fervent geode]

Yeah defo

[arctic talon]

LOL

[rocky gale]

Like Standard is used for documents etc and in the East (Since the Leinster Dialect died out completely) , but if you're in the West you're more likely to learn Cúige Chonnacht, South you'll learn Cúige Mumhan and in the North you'll learn Cúige Uladh

[fervent geode]

So still got massacred by the republican system schooling

[solid horizon]

it is my headcannon that noisemarines blast breton music

[fervent geode]

Man goes to store, points at meat, says “yolk”

literal hell

[vagrant fox]

Guangzhou will rise again and replace Beijing with Macao

Physically move the whole thing yonder

[fervent geode]

Forbidden City Hotel Casino🤑

[fervent geode]

I see it

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/real-recognize-real-cat-real-reconize-real-cat-handshake-cat-real-gif-3074015097383322374

[vagrant fox]

https://youtube.com/shorts/nfsDHHW18es

Like so

[fervent geode]

The future after world mandarin takeover (they now want the gwailos to speak English again)

[vagrant fox]

They hate to see a white boy get a little freaky when speaking guanhua

[vagrant fox]

Do the kids really speak it or is it a kind of they learnt it but don't really use it

Happened with German here which was basically mandatory

[rocky gale]

They used try and enforce Standard in all the schools but it was taught awfully and most didn't bother actually learning it, but now the approach has improved, there's a greater focus on the regional dialects and encouraging the regrowth naturally by appealing to the cultural aspects of the language

So it's getting better

Basically making the kids want to learn their own language, rather than forcing it on them to pass a test that just makes them resent it.

[vagrant fox]

That's how we learnt German here and a bunch resented it, had to do it to access higher education though

[rocky gale]

Plus more adults are now trying to learn the language

[arctic talon]

They’re trying their best at guoyu smh

The whole Michael and Ludwig China trip is so funny

[vagrant fox]

I'm a failure

Food poisoning arc is something

[rancid cove]

fandom wiki vs lexicanum, why is lexicanum just considered better?

[storm jungle]

because it actually cites its sources

and keeps shit concise and doesnt yap

[vagrant fox]

Fandom makes things up sometimes, lexi cites its sources

Total lamenter whinge from a made up warcry

[storm jungle]

like to give you an idea, my friend asked one of the fandom editors a question on why they dont just cite stuff and this is the reply he got

Absolute dipshit.

[raven stone]

Wut

[vagrant fox]

If you know what you're looking for wiki has its benefits but imo not that often

[storm jungle]

Its only use imo is if you just wanna read straight up codex text + not pay for the thing.

see Badab, Tauros, etc

[rancid cove]

ah i see

[vagrant fox]

Rogue Trader Sun Lee

[storm jungle]

By not citing and making up shit you create a literal lore issue in the fandom where misinformation becomes the norm, thus creating more issues for people repeatedly

[arctic talon]

Lexi sometimes is literally wrong

[vagrant fox]

And her stupid ship

[arctic talon]

But it’s way more accurate

[storm jungle]

shut the fuck up

[arctic talon]

No

Fuck you

[storm jungle]

Yes

[rancid cove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/1488379887914848338/mhrz4b2.gif

[storm jungle]

little incessant fuck

gonna snap your neck

[arctic talon]

Fuck you it cited a fucking marine painting guide for eldar lore once

[rose thorn]

I didn’t know that AOS was popular in Japan tbh

[rancid cove]

elite wolf i just want you to know some times itlooks like your pfp is a badass red among us guy

[storm jungle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ricky-oh-head-mellow

[solid horizon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/1488379887914848338/mhrz4b2.gif

[arctic talon]

So many people have told me this

[raven stone]

This little obscure shoutout finally paid off.

[arctic talon]

If I got a nickel for everytime it happened I could afford a fucking house

[winter pine]

amog us

[solid horizon]

afford more minis

[rancid cove]

im calling perty petulabo

[solid horizon]

house can wait

[rancid cove]

from now on

[solid horizon]

perturbator

[winter pine]

peter turbo

[solid horizon]

https://www.tiktok.com/@hubschhhrauber/video/7520508105852030215

[winter pine]

Phone autocorrect butchered Perturabo's name for like a decade so it'd always get changed to that

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-imposter-imposter-among-us-sus-among-us-sus-gif-158167910449982651

[vagrant fox]

Earlier today a terrible mistake had to be fixed on the lexi where Magnus was listed as a DG primarch

Basically on par with the fandom wiki

[daring creek]

Wanted to tease and say lex is fandom tier but they seem to just not give a dam l m a o

[storm jungle]

Yeah lmao

"people dont check sources who cares"

he basically admits they are lazy as shit lmao

[vagrant fox]

If I had to make a pig slop trough wiki for slop fans I'd be lazy too

[storm jungle]

My favorite part is the "the hit on our reputation over it"

Yeah no shit

[daring creek]

I mean anyone can edit fanwiki and just fucking lie lmao

[rancid cove]

Welp, never using that site again except maybe to search for some neat images

[storm jungle]

LOL

[daring creek]

Never use it

[arctic talon]

Lamenter battle cry moment

[storm jungle]

this is the biggest issue yeah

they straight up make shit up

[daring creek]

I treat it like ai overview

[vagrant fox]

As long as you know whats what you can use it, just beware straight up lies

[daring creek]

I just don't accept it

[daring creek]

Theres also too many pop ups

Feels too kiddy.

I love that wiki.gg became a thing

[rancid cove]

I thought it held some credibility till now, lol

[daring creek]

Rip kek

[vagrant fox]

It's something you need to double check to be sure imo, like most 40ktubers anyway

[storm jungle]

Also the best part of lexi is it adds ANY new piece of info to pages

random example

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Leman_Russ_Incinerator

[fervent geode]

World Eater sighting

[storm jungle]

this tank originally basically had no lore on the page aside from the store description

then i was reading a book last night and it makes an appearance there so i added this bit

However the Incinerator can still sometimes be very rarely seen in the 41st Millenium in the hands of some Imperial Guard tankers, recovered from forgotten depots, usually with the crew not being fully aware of what the turret itself is from the Incinerator's ancient age.[2]

Fandom wiki never does this shit

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah the incinerator showed up

It’s so funny

I love the thing

[storm jungle]

"Whats the turret armament?"

"Laser."

(he didnt know)

[daring creek]

[storm jungle]

also another one of my favs is uh

lexi updates the Siege of Terra stuff on the week that the books came out

fandom's Siege page meanwhile is still fucking stuck in like 2015

and STILL hasnt been updated

[daring creek]

[solid horizon]

so what happened to the tormentor ?

did perturabo lose it ?

[arctic talon]

We literally do not know

Probably died or is sitting around on his daemon world

[solid horizon]

interesting

I doubt peter is still fitted for it

[arctic talon]

Def not

He’s way too big now

Maybe he posseses it instead lol

[solid horizon]

are his iron circle still up ?

[arctic talon]

No

They died out before the siege of Terra

He never replaced them

[solid horizon]

oh ok

[hallow plover]

They update the ads and spam

[gleaming gale]

LAY-SHERR

[hallow plover]

Also I wish people would just go on the lexicanum pages and look the "Sources" section. Great way to find litterature about X thing

[storm jungle]

KEK

Same, we put more effort into it than people think too lol

the editors are absolutely asinine about it because we are more or less actually fighting a battle against ignorance

💀

see hordes of Grimdank

[gleaming gale]

Implying grimdank dwellers actually look up lore

[vagrant fox]

ok easterman

[storm jungle]

✋

[hallow plover]

Ignorant masses is just the fandom immersing themselves in 40k

[storm jungle]

LOL

[storm jungle]

Landcrawler, Oculus, Lambda

🫵

[hallow saddle]

guess whos building some noise marines finally woooooooo

[solid horizon]

good luck

they are not good on tabletop

[solid horizon]

they're flamethrowers

but extra bad, unfortunately

[hallow saddle]

im not super interested in rules but i thought they are basically the best shooting in CSM?

unless that changed recently

cause u can buff them up massively

[solid horizon]

they are emperor's children

[vagrant fox]

Mild +2 for playing into my vices

[hallow saddle]

i know theyre EC but ppl have been allying noise marines into CSM

[solid horizon]

they're havocs but not really good

[hallow saddle]

anyway its moot, i build them for the models, i only play friendly games with my mate

[hallow saddle]

and i lose them all anyway cause he knows how to play but also helps me play in my turns so thats cool

[solid horizon]

understandable

[vagrant fox]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172931856916807791/1488607479649538159/d2ocenre6fsg1.jpeg?ex=69cd6540&is=69cc13c0&hm=7deb0b98f1934bab0f026f09ba772ba89ce6fd26ba793829b5f6dc1321b7749f&

Have a cool I sleep

[solid horizon]

I had the great idea to equip all my skitarii as vanguards

it feels like my army is shortsighted

[gleaming gale]

Duke Severus secedes from the Imperium

[hallow saddle]

btw

so you immediately get sustained from the lord kakophonist which is sick

then you roll for mortals

[solid horizon]

gotta roll 6s on BS first

else sustainedfire doesnt work

[rancid cove]

went to use the lexicanum timeline page to start writing on my warband and had a jumpscare because of a characters name

[heady rivet]

Slop spotted. More like "Top 10 Hives with their own wiki page"

[rancid cove]

[gleaming gale]

Varangantua isn't even a hive bruh, it spreads wide instead of up

[limpid granite]

technically terra would be the biggest

[solid horizon]

My son will use Kakophonist to give his troops sustained hits

My son will use Dark Pact to get sustained hits and fail it

[rancid cove]

which oneis which

[solid horizon]

EC satan and Jesus CSM

[neon jacinth]

Saved

[solid horizon]

this is why you use a helbrute as dark pact radiator

[storm jungle]

Corruption is not good

only if IM not involved

[gleaming gale]

But if I'm part of that corruption, I'll defend it 🗣️

[storm jungle]

✊

[limpid granite]

https://youtu.be/WWCLI7lXEdI?si=Jvm70fsnWtbeDMpN

this is me

[gleaming gale]

Average Iron Warriors fan rhetoric on chaos

[opaque coyote]

The Emperor during the Age of Strife

[limpid granite]

ascended perturabo

[opaque coyote]

To be honest, Alexander the Great being the Emperor makes sense

In that Alexander sucked at the keeping an empire part

Legitimately, he shouldn't have lived as long as he did

He should've died much earlier

[heady rivet]

In all fairness his boyfriend and horse died within like 3 months ofm each other and he was like, 29

[opaque coyote]

Our timeline is unironically the farthest he would've gotten

Deadass

It fits the Emperor ironically enough

Great at conquering

The worst at actually holding it

[gleaming gale]

Maybe the fiction is off on the calendar and the Unification Wars are starting soon

[opaque coyote]

Throughout most of the Imperium's existence

The Emperor was in charge for like

Fucking

1% of it

At most

The rest of it literally just has him dead

[gleaming gale]

Or we're on 63-19 and the Luna Wolves are about to pay us a visit

[opaque coyote]

And the Imperium is much different than what the Emperor envisioned.

Worse (somehow).

But also built to last longer via cannibalism

Of course it's unrealistic it would last 10k years but

40k

So

But basically the Imperium is in the "Fall of Rome" stage

Being picked apart by several carrion eaters

Just extended

Very very long

A decline that is obvious in its existence

But when it would finally collapse. It would only be obvious in hindsight...

In lore anyways.

We totally know the Imperium ain't collapsing unless GW wants more sales

[gleaming gale]

Yeah, was kinda like it until Rodent Gasoline launched Indomitus and reconquered half of the Imperium in 12 years because GW got spooked by actual plot development

[opaque coyote]

Well half of it.

The other half is still

...

Fucked

Basically I guess you can call this the Byzantine era

[gleaming gale]

They got through, the Nachmund Gauntlet is a thing

And some other places

[opaque coyote]

Fucking seriously?

Did they reconquer it all or is it still split in two

Just an uneven split

[gleaming gale]

It's just harder to get to lol

[opaque coyote]

Well that's stupid

I was gonna compare it to the period of the western Roman empire

The Byzantines never called themselves Byzantines

They called themselves Roman

Byzantine was a term made up later during the Renaissance

To differentiate the split

[gleaming gale]

It was actually comtemporary

Germans coined it because they wanted the HRE to be the sole successor of Rome

[opaque coyote]

So I thought the Nihilius would be considered the equivalent of how Eastern Rome was taken over

While Guilliman's Imperium is essentially the Western Roman Empire

AKA the Byzantine Empire

Would've been a cool parallel

[gleaming gale]

You got them mixed up

Byzantines = East

[opaque coyote]

Wait hold on

Give

Give me a second I'm being fucking stupid

Yup

Yup I'm stupid

How the fuck did I mix up East and West

I need a nap

[gleaming gale]

[opaque coyote]

Anyways the Eastern Roman empire*

[gleaming gale]

But yeah, G-man is in contact with most of Nihilus somewhat, it's how he showed up on Baal to fish up the Blood Angels from getting eaten

[opaque coyote]

I thought Nihilius was basically the wilderness basically

Isn't it really hard to get to from Guilliman's territory due to the Great Rift

And in Chaos

Or did that change

[gleaming gale]

There are spots that you can cross through on the other side, that's about it, the rest is still cut off

[opaque coyote]

Okay yeah so...

He's in contact but he hasn't conquered it

I assume

[gleaming gale]

He did get through there lmao

So have the crusade fleets

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but due to said difficulty it shouldn't be like

Count as part of his territory

[gleaming gale]

It's also how Mordians are still shipping a billion regiments to other fronts

[opaque coyote]

...

I fucking hate GW

Why

Why even split them up

What the fuck is the point

[gleaming gale]

Abaddon moved the plot by 1% lol

[opaque coyote]

There was an interesting thing going on

The Imperium is split

[gleaming gale]

But yeah Chaos can show up anywhere without being confined to the Eye now

That's it

[opaque coyote]

One part is more fucked than the other

That sounds cool

Why did they make it basically barely consequential

You'd think a gigantic warp rift forcefully making travel much harder would basically isolate the non-Guilliman Half

[gleaming gale]

Also Lion is coming to Ultramar to talk with Bobby, he too, is crossing the rift

[opaque coyote]

I know that

Still though I feel like a huge opportunity was wasted

[gleaming gale]

The rift was a big thing for like a few years because the warp energy backlash essentially blacked out all the sectors for a while

Then it just stabilized

[opaque coyote]

...

Fucking GW

[rancid cove]

its still a big ass barrier that i think requires you going all around it to go to the other side

and its always in constant battle

so its fucky

[gleaming gale]

There's the Nachmund Gauntlet smack dab in the middle to cross over, and a few other spots, the edges are uncharted stars or outside the astronomican's range

But it still seems a non-issue lol

[rancid cove]

ah i didnt know that, neat

[gleaming gale]

And we don't know how it goes on the other axis because GW doesnt care that the galaxy isn't 2d

[rancid cove]

2d is easier to understand tbh so i get it

[gleaming gale]

Except for when the tyranids are invading from under it

[heady rivet]

I misread the Perturabo blog post at first when I read it this morning and thought it said he was building walls between planets and I was just like "Yeah"

[rancid cove]

it also makes easdier to ignore them plot holes

[rancid cove]

2016 Trump reincarnates as daemon primarch Perturabo

WE NEED TO BUILD A BUNCH OF WALLS INTO THE CITADEL

[gleaming gale]

He's building fortresses on his way to Terra so same shit

[heady rivet]

sun wukong... very nasty monkey. the jade emperor did him a Big Favor making him the protector of the peaches of immortality, but sun wukong, Tricky Sun Wukong i call him, he stole the peaches! theyre very good peaches, they only bloom every 3000 years. not for monkeys! well it doesnt matter now, laozi put him in a prison, a new kind of prison, theyre calling it Eight-Way Trigram Crucible! theyre going to make a potion of out sun wukong!

[gleaming gale]

Cathay lore

[quiet orchid]

Wth

[gleaming gale]

How @heady rivet feels after dropping hard facts and dipping

[rocky gale]

He's gonna build Space Walls and make the Xenos pay for it

[arctic talon]

Mordian iron guard stormtroopers got a name in the new chemdog book

Which is paragons

[storm jungle]

Based Mordians???

[opaque coyote]

Fun fact

Greenland Sharks apparently need to reach around 150 years to reach full sexual maturity.

So if they were born around the Lincoln administration

Only just now are they able to fuck

...and they're still doing better than Pandas

Also it takes 8-18 years for Offspring to gestate.

And they produce up to 10 pups per litter.

[rancid cove]

While reading Horus Rising and False Gods I keep constantly forgetting Abaddon is always using his Black Terminator armor and didn't use the white Luna Wolf or the Green of the Sons of Horus

[gleaming gale]

Edgelord

[rancid cove]

every time i imagine him in a green sons of horus armor instead of his already black termie armor

[rose thorn]

I realized I never read the lore blurb on the front of the cities of sigmar battletome

[storm jungle]

based sigmarites

[rocky gale]

3rd edition Flesh eater tome is also pretty based, it's lore blurbs are from the perspective of an artist who's being held captive by the Court

[storm jungle]

yeah i really like how these are hopeful but also still very bleak and dark

the new 40k codexes cant hold a light to these

[rocky gale]

and you see his drawings of them going from monsters to regal figures as the chapters go on

[rancid cove]

I like how in False Gods Torgaddon just drinks more than a mouth full of Davin corrupted water and just never suffers any drawbacks

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah I lvoe it

[storm jungle]

bro literally got lost in the sauce

[daring creek]

Anyone else ever take a break from a media cuz it was too depressing

[storm jungle]

I used to do it always but now its just impossible

[daring creek]

That was me with Severance

Like

warhammer is nice

but i dont want to read infant grinder 9000 all the time, though im not atm

[storm jungle]

OH you mean movies/shows and shit lol

[daring creek]

and warhammer books can be overly boring at times, not the one im reading at the moment of course

[daring creek]

Yeah those as well

severance is a really good show but at the same time

I started watching that show ever I completed Plurbius

[storm jungle]

yeah its why i usually dont watch shows like it much

[daring creek]

Existential dread after the other

I can only do it for so long

Then picking up a comfort wish fulfillment story

goodness.

i rlly need to go outside...

[storm jungle]

[daring creek]

theres hardly grass to touch here

best i can do is stone covered in bird/dog shit lmfao

or a cats because I see cats around here sometimes

I love cats

[surreal nest]

Take that shit off! You ain't a marine!

[storm jungle]

[daring creek]

[surreal nest]

Look at my vespid

[daring creek]

good vespid

[rose thorn]

PEAK

oh yeah new editio new empty promises

i think i willl make an empty promise of

if tau gets more vespids I will get a tau army

if GSC get a release that isnt a hero

i will conitnue my gsc army

[solid horizon]

I completely forgot about vespids

[surreal nest]

I think i will make an empty promise too

I will play a game of bighammer this edition

[solid horizon]

after long time in the daemonculaba jar, the Flayed King aka dreanought buster 3000 is on the process of being born anew

I wish I had more of this head

[rancid cove]

I almost was the best in everything...

[quiet orchid]

u was the best, u take more damage

be proud of yourself

[rancid cove]

i was supposed to also take the least amount of damage!!!!

[quiet orchid]

nono, u supposed to take MORE damage

so

u win

[rancid cove]

Me whenever the Magnus part of False Gods show up:

https://tenor.com/view/sigh-gif-17318620525011324687

[valid needle]

Magnus the goat

[rancid cove]

He goes to my least liked primarchs ngl
I also dont like his legion all dat much

Space fent inside piece of armor

[daring creek]

https://fixupx.com/Omnipaints/status/2026102159729729672

Omni (@Omnipaints)

This video never gets old

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FixupX · Feb 24, 2026, 1:09 AM

[valid needle]

How can you not like space wizards

[valid needle]

Now yeah but HH they were peak

[rancid cove]

I dont like blue space wizards
Also his reason to have joined chaos is dumb

[rose thorn]

oh yeah if GKs get a refresh box I iwll buy it

[valid needle]

I mean he had no other choice

[solid horizon]

Space engineers > Space wizards

[valid needle]

His father had mostly cut him off. The loyalist hated him. Lorgar visited him multiple times to convince him to join chaos.

[heady rivet]

Literally me

[rancid cove]

And then he decides to contact his father by using the warp he was told not to and brought all the daemons to big e's big lab

And destroyed millennia of work

Good job

[valid needle]

This was before he was cut off

[daring creek]

its ok.

you only become old when ur 25

so u till have time

but once you're 25 it's OVER

[rancid cove]

If you genuinely think like this seek professional help

[daring creek]

you are FUCKED

[rancid cove]

https://tenor.com/view/false-that's-false-true-fake-not-true-gif-7463876790346893009

[daring creek]

its true

[solid horizon]

I mean

[daring creek]

25 = old

[valid needle]

He tried to save Horus soul
He tried to warn his father when that failed
He accidentally broke the wards
The emperor sent the wolves
Horus intercepted them and changed the catch order to a kill order
Wolves burn prospero
Magnus kicks himself for months whilst lorgar constantly tries to tempt him to chaos
He eventually joins Horus when it’s clear he has no way back to the loyalists

[solid horizon]

Only fossils unironically enjoy necromunda

[mossy peak]

why does abbadon hate horus

[solid horizon]

Cause he died

Idk

[daring creek]

dumb

[valid needle]

He sees him as a failure

[rancid cove]

He failed and turned into a puppet for the chaos gods

[valid needle]

He sees him as weak

[solid horizon]

Because he was chaos dummy according to him iirc

[valid needle]

Nah he hates him because he failed and he was too weak to win the war against the emperor

[solid horizon]

Meanwhile abbadon

Leads one of the largest chaos warbands

[rancid cove]

He could've just died to prove his innocence and then his remaining legion could maybe join the war against horus

[solid horizon]

Abbadon is also a raging madlad

So he tends to disagree with others easily

[valid needle]

Abbadon was always a traitor and didn’t much care about Horus siding with chaos. All he hated Horus for was because Horus died he saw him as a weak failure.

[solid horizon]

Unless of course it goes in his advantage

[rancid cove]

And hes true
Glory for the Despoiler

[valid needle]

Archaon solos

[rancid cove]

Abaddon solos because he has cool ponytail

[solid horizon]

Abbadon hit roll reroll lets fuckin gooooooo

[valid needle]

Abbadon is on the bench now that chaos has a new champion

[storm jungle]

Archaon destroyed 1 planet, rose to the champion of chaos status then went to destroy entire realities while Sigmar didnt even stumble upon the mortal realms yet

[valid needle]

King Archaon

[storm jungle]

bro's title is literally Grand Marshal of the Apocalypse

😭

[valid needle]

Vs…. despoiler

wtf even is a despoiler

No one knows because Abbadon is a loser

[solid horizon]

Is Abaddon aware he's named after a bible character ?

[storm jungle]

he forgot i think

[storm jungle]

Despoiler is a cool title

Abaddon is also a cool character

Archaon and him are just in different leagues

[solid horizon]

Abaddon trying not to name his warband after a KKK spinoff challenge (impossible)

[storm jungle]

bruh

[arctic talon]

No

[solid horizon]

It's funny how Abaddon's name is so very biblical both in meaning and background, compared to other characters

[arctic talon]

Archaon has aura

Too much aura

I want him on a horse like the varanguard

[storm jungle]

Dont let this guy see Dark Angels

[storm jungle]

i like how Archaon showing up is literally just

"Yeah you guys are dead"

lmao

[solid horizon]

I know them lol, black templars as well

[storm jungle]

[daring creek]

noise for focus is addictive

[solid horizon]

It's just that Abby coincides with his biblical self

I find it funny

[daring creek]

I really should not have bought Infinite and divine physically cuz its making me wanna buy more books

:/

[storm jungle]

lmao the crack addiction starts

[daring creek]

It's so over.

[storm jungle]

[mossy peak]

look at my loyalist dawg we're never beating perturabo 😭

[jade holly]

So what are general thoughts on how Perturabo looks so far?

[mossy peak]

[jade holly]

Or do we need a full detailed look?

[mossy peak]

fulgrim arriving on laeran

[jade holly]

He looks like a Deadite from Evil Dead

[mossy peak]

https://fxtwitter.com/therogueangel_/status/2039116003657830811?s=20

Desdemona ⚜️ (@therogueangel_)

happy trans day of visibility, this inspired me to make the trans flag but color picked from the new perturabo image

Quoting 🐦‍⬛ilija 🦍 (@rvelchc)
︀
Why did he come back on transgender day of visibility. What is his plan

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FxTwitter · Mar 31, 2026, 11:01 PM

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/wallet-penacony-honkai-star-rail-clockie-no-money-gif-14673244072619990643

[arctic talon]

I like how they did his "wings"

lol

in that its a bunch of fucking metal things

[jade holly]

Wait are those rockets on his back propelling him forward?

[jade holly]

He looks so fucking cool

[arctic talon]

Exhaust vents

[mossy peak]

i assume heat vents

[jade holly]

Only thing I can’t tell on that image is whether or not he’s wearing a mask or not

[plush mason]

it reminds me of the crab spiders from city of heroes, so yeah i love it

[rancid cove]

Perturabo is for the dolls
announced same day as trans visibillity day

chad

[jade holly]

Perturabo needs to be voiced by Fred Tatascoire so badly

He voiced Megatron in the Cybertron games

[neon jacinth]

Hello all

Is there a Suggestions channel?

Ogryn could use more ergonomic landscape vaulting

[solid horizon]

Peter turbo does not care whether you are a man or a woman, as long as your flesh is metal

[daring creek]

theres just the forums

[jade holly]

IF hearing that Perturabo himself is now at the Cadian Gate

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-mr-boss-smiling-friends-mr-boss-smiling-friends-alan-gif-18160162125023876979

[neon jacinth]

What happened to Mr Mackey

Mmkay

[vital ginkgo]

Is there a serious reason why repentias wear such revealing outfits?

Also the assassinorum people

[lament shoal]

That’s just fan cosplay

Go by their models

[umbral orbit]

i guess as a form of humiliation and mortification of the body, atleast in lore

if ur asking why the art, uhm... its the 90s

dehumanizing fanservice of women in ur fictional storytelling is a must

[vital ginkgo]

Oh that's not so bad compared to the art

[umbral orbit]

gotta appeal to the chuds somehow ig...

[jade holly]

I always saw it as they were stripped of all but their faith and to serve penance they must succeed through faith alone

as a way of proving they’re not heretics

[lament shoal]

@vital ginkgo its part of their punishment/penance. they go into battle wearing little to no armor, enduring every wound to atone for their mistakes

[umbral orbit]

they look very cool as minis

[umbral orbit]

do you think the slavedriver lady with the whip feels anything when she whips the minorities

[vital ginkgo]

Are assassins actually wearing stuff like this tho? If so, why?

[lament shoal]

Yes

Their suits allow for freedom of movement and stealth

[jade holly]

Ya don’t send a Terminator for a stealth op after all

[umbral orbit]

fanservice ig

[vital ginkgo]

Crazy

Lol

[lament shoal]

Also the suits are connected to their augmentations and abilities

[vital ginkgo]

Phobos terminator

[jade holly]

My dumbass was about to say Cataphractii Terminator

Cataphractii is already terminator armor

[umbral orbit]

usual 80s-90s trends of commodity fetishism

[umbral orbit]

they should give them more armored bulk

like the stillsuits from dune

[wheat depot]

Anyone see the biggest sooks return announcement

[plush mason]

its a formfitting armored suit that boosts their speed srength and relexes iirc

called synthskin i think

[arctic talon]

The Assasinorum all wear skintight body suits to be able to fit through shit better and to conceal themselves since it’s usually modified to have camolene

[arctic talon]

I’m ngl I think GW doubling down on making the assassins skintight would be more fun, I like how Umbral six and the new heresy ones look, the defined body shape is a lot of fun to paint imo

[plush mason]

is any of the assassinorum temples female only?

[arctic talon]

No

none of them are male or female only

actually one of them was sorta but that was a weird biological experiment that got out of control

[plush mason]

there are women eversors?

[arctic talon]

Yes

explictly

Just no art or mini depiction

[plush mason]

rip

[arctic talon]

every other assasin temple with art or mini depiction has had both genders shown

lol

[plush mason]

yeah the super assassin one right

[arctic talon]

yeah

the one that could lay eggs

lol

[sacred ginkgo]

So author's very thinly vieled fetish

Got it

[plush mason]

sure sounds like it lol

[arctic talon]

yeah prolly

lol

its older lore

Funnily enough the older officio assasinorum minis had more armor

compared to the modern ones

[sacred ginkgo]

Weird

[arctic talon]

the modern ones are all skintight bodygloves with very little or no armor plating

the admus has a really nicely sculpted ass lol

[sacred ginkgo]

👍

[arctic talon]

he and operative umbral six prolly have best body sculpting of the modern assassins

then its like the 7e Callidus and Vindicare from execution force

[storm jungle]

bro has a log of SHIT between there

[rancid cove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/1488379887914848338/mhrz4b2.gif

[arctic talon]

awful lol

Anyways I hope GW doesn't change the designs of the officio assasinorum lol

they're like genuinely perfect imo

[rose thorn]

you forgot the demon assassin!

[arctic talon]

not part of the officio assasinorum

[storm jungle]

Im glad the new/30k assassin temples are also in 40k

if this was the olden days it would prob take them a decade to appear in any novels lol

[arctic talon]

but here for posterity ig lol

[rose thorn]

i know... i just felt lik ehe should be included, hes the black sheep of the fmaily

[arctic talon]

He's got completely dif design language is why I didn't include him

or she ig

the first one that showed up in the rulebooks was a woman

But their sculpt design language isn't so much the "human form" with greebles attached

as humanoid monster with greebles

[rose thorn]

he has a skin suit, its just, madeo f his skin

[sacred ginkgo]

So do you

You should take it off

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/3-gato-gif-7696470040435474518

[arctic talon]

Also green plasma in a book cover

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/195404877688602624/1488721427841548288/CastellaxWar.jpg?ex=69cdcf5f&is=69cc7ddf&hm=726048351c1312fe49a50c77ddc08f557449997b7d2b5d1c853ff8f4d6130bf0&=&format=webp&width=1269&height=483

Never noticed lol

but the front possesed has a plasma pistol

[rose thorn]

dont teh ycall chaos plasma weapons ecto plasma>

[arctic talon]

Nah only some of the daemon engine one and some other ones

[rose thorn]

fair

[rose thorn]

genuinely thoguht this was jeferry

[rancid cove]

lmfao

[rose thorn]

Do you think we at getting another 500 worlds style event before moving into 11th

[rancid cove]

hope so

[unique bronze]

Was that like the tabletop competition with Titus in the trailer

[rancid cove]

Guilliman: Titus, I have a job for you

Titus: What is it, my lord?

https://tenor.com/view/500-ciggarettes-gif-11805300176740010737

500. Worlds.

[arctic talon]

I think eye of terror is the last one

[arctic talon]

It was a campaign book for the tabletop

[rancid cove]

holy fucking shit this artwork is insane

[jade holly]

Damn Sanguinis

Bro got the Alex Murphy treatment

[languid meadow]

this is how I kind of wanted him tbh but I still like what we got

at least with the multiple legs

[opaque coyote]

bro who tf is that on the stairs

is that meant to be Sanguinius?

Holy shit no wonder the black death is a thing bro got gored

Also I love the shadow of the four in the background

really nice touch

But seriously dude did NOT die painlessly

my god

[arctic talon]

I can't tell which one is nurgle or khorne

Tzeentch and slaanesh are easy

[opaque coyote]

I think the one on the far left is Nurgle, due to him being short and fat

and the one with the inward goat horns is Khorne

The seductive feminine figure is Slaanesh (duh)

[arctic talon]

far right is tzeentch

its the gaunt sorc shaped head

lol

[opaque coyote]

yup

[opaque coyote]

DC what the fu-

(Mad About DC #1)

[undone elm]

Wow they truly have something for everyone

[raven stone]

https://youtu.be/3w8V01rnt9U?si=Ue5IagtKPEi_y9U4

well shit real life Nurgle cultist detected…

[mossy peak]

https://x.com/unitlowland/status/2039090300623200302?s=46

🔞🏳️‍⚧️ Sigmar's Strongest Girlthing🏳️‍⚧️...

Why did Perturabo come back on transgender day of visibility. What is his plan?? Her plan???

X · Mar 31, 2026, 9:19 PM

he transitioned into a warlord titan

[vagrant fox]

The plan is to make my warhammers worse

[raven stone]

No need to read THAT much into a coincidence 😅

[sacred ginkgo]

No this is foundational

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-nye-bill-nye-bill-nye-the-science-guy-science-gif-16635073155135818648

[civic gale]

cadia stands

(its april fool's day

think ima change myself to a dark mechanicus today

better not ill probably forget to change

[fervent geode]

This is true

It was revealed to me in my visions

[midnight dragon]

Can anyone here mentor me on a army?

[final spruce]

Depends which army

[midnight dragon]

Tau

[final spruce]

Ah, sorry I only know the basics of T'au

[midnight dragon]

[rocky gale]

Uhhh marker light drones and uhhhh crossfire?

I dunno

[fervent geode]

You people do a lot of shooting

That’s all I can help with

[solid horizon]

I fought once in my life against tau

That was 4 editions ago and I forgot every single thing

[raven stone]

I do want to help, but I cannot go beyond "do not let the other army charge you in close combat"

[midnight dragon]

Yeah after trying battlesector, chaos daemons of khorne are a nightmare to fight as the tau

[midnight dragon]

Tau strats change at the speed a fly ages

[rocky gale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/qpeszcaf/warhammer-as-youve-never-heard-it-before/

[raven stone]

Almost fell for the damn thing, then remembered the date

But then again, a musical is a very London thing...

[raven stone]

Not sure whether there is an actual penalty for it in current editions, but in the past, if you ever took an Ethereal, you need to keep it alive or eat battleshock across the entire army on death

[celest cedar]

https://youtu.be/o0u4M6vppCI today Im reminded of this legendary shitpost

[rocky gale]

Peak WarCom post

The Trayzn segment especially

[rigid dune]

Would a genesteeler cult be able to infiltrate a mechanichus planet/city?

[gleaming gale]

There is a book that's exactly that

[rigid dune]

Ohh cool, what is the name of the book?

[gleaming gale]

Day of Ascension

[rigid dune]

I'll look it up

I was thinking if they look mostly humanoid like. Or would they be able to infiltrate a ork planet?

[gleaming gale]

Ork genestealers were a thing, idk if they're still canon

[celest dome]

The Bladed Cog ?

[fervent geode]

I think they are, it’s just that they get killed by other Orks because they can’t blend in iirc

[raven stone]

All species will have their own specific GS infiltrator mutations, but it is just most other species have biological/instinctual methods to quickly detect and delete them

Human GSC can be active in T'au territory though due to multi-racial nature of Tau Empire

[rose thorn]

That’s admech!

[rose thorn]

I cannot believe I was not @ed smh… anyway they still exist in lore they made some (bad) book appearances and have an official kitbash guide to convert a killteam into gsc orks. No rules though and no official models

[rancid cove]

Yeah sangy didnt die a very pretty death

Horus mauled him

My boy...

[rancid cove]

I think left to right is Nurgle, Slaneesh, Khorne and Tzeentch

[valid needle]

You should see the one when they crucify Sanguinius pretty much and that’s how Dorn finds him.

[rancid cove]

Yeah I've seen that one I think Dilara sent it here

[rancid cove]

Yeah that one

Absolutely brutal

[valid needle]

Sanguinius “I do not want to be here” speech is heartbreaking homie

[wintry cloud]

The quality is insane for a one day joke

[rancid cove]

I feel i might cry when I read it cause he lowkey my favorite Primarch

[valid needle]

And mfs wonder why Dorn went full insane Templar after dragging Sanguinius and the emperor home

[valid needle]

I do every time

Dorns defences were failing until Sanguinius came and was the only primarch to actually stand with Dorn. Seeing Sanguinius death and Dorn finding him is lowkey heartbreaking.

[rancid cove]

Brutal

[rose thorn]

We should have renamed the server Sigmartide

And made it AOS themed

[fervent geode]

Make an AOS Tide game with Maggotkin and I’ll back you up

[storm jungle]

I dont really feel anything for that speech imma be real

the entire reason they at at that point is because they were a genocidal horde of killers

now their brothers have turned on them through the armies of satan and they feel the end of that spear they have been shoving into the galaxy for decades lol

[rocky gale]

How do I repost something?

[vagrant fox]

winkey+shift+s that and steal it proper

[rocky gale]

No

[vagrant fox]

idk right click and forward then

[rose thorn]

Maggotkin are too tanky, it would probably be like Bloodtide if I were to guess

[raven stone]

You do payslip work, or just found on website?

[rocky gale]

Found

[fervent geode]

Nothing but pox wretches and rotmire creed

Make sloven knight bosses

[rancid cove]

I live to serve
And even in death I still serve

[solid horizon]

what if I kill you again

[timid pasture]

What If only Horus betrayed the Emperor?

[solid horizon]

good questino

there would probably be no heresy

[rancid cove]

He wouldnt be able to do anything

The Heresy would've lasted a week at best

Or even an entire fucking day

Perty and Angron would be racing to see who can kill Horus faster

Sanguinius would go there to try and talk Horus down and kill him (Horus wouldnt be able to reach chaos buff that fast)

[signal bramble]

Would he have even fallen to chaos? Would it just be his legion? Would Erebus have still done his thing? If Lorgar never betrays Big E then would Horus even have gotten to that point?

Or would it have been a rebellion purely on principle? Idk

It’s a fun thought experiment.

[rancid cove]

I think we put him and Erebus to have fallen, both
They are chaos but Horus wouldn't be as strong as he was by his fight with Emps

I dont even know how far he wouldve gotten

[quiet orchid]

high level discussion

[signal bramble]

I overthink stuff. Horus betraying Big E would need a catalyst and the word bearers have to be included at least in part for Horus to get that sweet sweet chaos juice.

I mean I suppose Horus might have discovered chaos on his own but the word bearers were the main reason.

(That is to say Erebus and Lorgar)

[rancid cove]

Erebus, Lorgar AND Khor Phaeron

But it would also be that Khor Phaeron and Erebus were plotting behind Lorgar's back

Because they were responsible to manipulating Lorgar into worshipping Chaos

[quiet orchid]

without them, horus was cooked, I think so

[rancid cove]

Horus would still lose with the Word Bearers at their side tbh

[signal bramble]

I mostly think of Erebus because if I’m not mistaken he’s considered the first heretic.

[rancid cove]

Because loyalist forces would have Dorn, Perturabo, Sanguinius, Mortarion and so on

[signal bramble]

I’m not huge in to WB lore but I recall that much.

[rancid cove]

Well tbh Khor Phaeron was older and already was preaching the words of chaos gods on Colchis even before he fully understood it

He wasnt even a full astartes because of his old age

But Erebus was the first one to commit the first ever heretical act

Hence why "first heretic"

[raven stone]

Well in the best case scenario we are still looking at 4 Traitor Legions.

Word Bearers.
Sons of Horus (via WB)
Emperor's Children (via Flugrim and Sword)
Death Guard (via Typhon who is buddy with Kor Phaeron)

maybe Iron Warriors (if you believe WB to be responsible for stirring up Olympia riots)

[signal bramble]

I think Kurze would have joined them regardless. Maybe Angry Ronald also on principle.

(I know it’s Angron. I like my nickname for him)

[rancid cove]

Perty was closer to Horus than Emps so he prolly wouldve jojned either way

Sooo

Traitor legions still end up turning traitor

Even magnus because if Horus still felled he wouldve had the visions

And tried using his power to warn emps

So the Heresy is back at its canon equivalent

[signal bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[timid pasture]

I’m learning about the roman empire rn in college and it instantly reminded me of ultramarines

I love Warhammer

[storm jungle]

rome was inspired by 40k iirc

[gleaming gale]

Augustus copied the Emperor word for word

[rancid cove]

Also not the only legion based on them for some reason

[quiet orchid]

roman empire inspired a lot of things in 40k

[gleaming gale]

The romans copied a lot of things from 40k, they even named themselves Imperium

such larpers

[quiet orchid]

Oh yeah

u're right

i never thought like that

[valid needle]

Dead

[quiet orchid]

damned copiers

[valid needle]

Yeah but you are a professional Imperium hater to be fair.

[heady rivet]

I'm the only person on campus with an umbrella

[storm jungle]

No I just know genocide is a bad thing

keep up junior

[heady rivet]

Source?

[storm jungle]

🇹🇷

https://klipy.com/gifs/vergi-cay-1

[gleaming gale]

Well yeah, the turks never commited any genocide to know if it's bad or not

[heady rivet]

This hurts your case I'm sorry to say

[storm jungle]

ıt'd only hurt my case if i denied it moron

[valid needle]

You can’t prove the imperium were behind that

[storm jungle]

Ok Albanian