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[opaque coyote]

It makes sense that he wouldn't care about stuff like Servitors

It's literally day to day stuff

I liked how he just casually said

"Yeah we use live prisoners as target practice"

And that's it

[mossy peak]

https://fxtwitter.com/vapertvaping/status/2038725168617369758?s=20

vaper gator (@vapertvaping)

You know, i sometimes forget there is just a very fat planet sized obese man just out there in space

Quoting Clara (@ClaraSlimeGirl)
︀
@Rykoth1 @NornQueenKya @vapertvaping there's literally a Slaaneshi guy/Daemon World that's an extremely obese cultist ascended into a planet-form

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FxTwitter · Mar 30, 2026, 9:08 PM

is this true

[raven stone]

In all honesty, I do feel that as a rough rule of thumb, the less strategically important your sector/subsector/battle zone is, the more likely you are able to get away with non-puritanical (read: non lawful stupid) levels of loyalty to IoM

[opaque coyote]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Oliensis

[raven stone]

Obviously in the most strategically important areas and war zones, everyone is necessarily a puritanical asshat.

[opaque coyote]

Cain only gets away partially due to his fame

Partially due to him being competent

And partially due to sheer fucking luck

Which then lands him into trouble

And then he gets out

He gets more famous

He lands into more trouble

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world basically.

Because if you asked Cain. He would much rather like to be vacationing in some Paradise world

With Amberley in his arms

And Jurgen serving him Tea

[thorn pecan]

Tbf, it originally was targeted for kids, but more on the puberty side. Though, the kids books don’t sugarcoat it apparently. I heard one of the kids got murked by a necron.

[opaque coyote]

And the Necrons happen to be the only enemies in the galaxy that wouldn't spill blood... or much of it depending on the unit

[thorn pecan]

I imo think it’s a good way to explain to children about death in life

[opaque coyote]

I mean ig the T'au also count?

They mainly use Plasma

Kid book censorship is weird in general

"Yeah we can have the character die horribly but we can't have them bleed out!"

[thorn pecan]

That must mean those kids are Darktide Havoc level operatives for the necrons to think murking them is a more logical option 😭🙏

[languid meadow]

I rather bleed out then get hit by a plasma weapon

tbh

[storm jungle]

Its not just ogryn focused but the main two characters are abhumans. Baggit the ratling and Clodde the ogryn, you'll love him especially i think lol

[opaque coyote]

Tbf Necrons generally murder anything near them unless if they're higher ranking

And even then high ranking would probably just kill you for fun

Of course, if they want you alive

Then that's even more worrying

Becoming part of Trazyn's museum moment

[languid meadow]

there are like 3 necrons that tolerate humans

trazyn
that one guy who has a whole planet of them be his servants (forget their name)
and the silent king

all for WILDLY different reasons

[opaque coyote]

Even then considering how the average Necron noble treated their peasant population

They definitely wouldn't give a shit about humans

[thorn pecan]

I mean, becoming a Warhammer box collectible is prolly one of the most tame fates over something like dark Eldar kidnapping

[storm jungle]

its really not

imagine being paused in the same place forever

[opaque coyote]

Before the biotransferrence, the peasants deadass lived in dirt houses despite them having spaceships

[storm jungle]

you are fully aware

[thorn pecan]

Plus becoming part of a museum is baller

[languid meadow]

it's inconsistent

[storm jungle]

and you cannot do anything

its not

Trazyn decides it

[languid meadow]

therefore

[storm jungle]

which is fucking worse lmao

[languid meadow]

inconsistent

[daring creek]

Get them while their young

[storm jungle]

Nah

its inconsistent if it isnt established

[thorn pecan]

Than getting tortured by dark eldar idk man

[winter pine]

could be worse idk

[storm jungle]

Its on the same tier, would you love being stuck in place going insane for thousands of years? Never dying?

[opaque coyote]

Like drug dealers offering coke to kids

We need children to beg their parents for plastic crack

[raven stone]

@opaque coyote oh, since I think you will get the joke (and also just an excuse to spam a banger soundtrack…)

“In the name of the (three) moon(s), I shall punish you, Heretic!”

https://youtu.be/C82otScuaL0?si=Sn3VKri8_tA-V-uY

[daring creek]

That is it yeah pretty much.

[winter pine]

marginally better than getting turned into a sofa by a bored Drukhari I guess

[daring creek]

show them shiny things

get their parents to buy expenisve toys

[storm jungle]

Do me a favor and try to stay still and completely frozen for an entire hour

[thorn pecan]

Okay fair enough. same tier is maybe closer

[storm jungle]

Yeah theres a reason shit like the chinese water torture is one of the worst things imaginable

it doesnt take a lot to torture and break a human being

[daring creek]

*screams in ADHD*

[storm jungle]

some can do it without ever touching you or hurting you physically

[thorn pecan]

Them Toy Story mfs be suffering that fate tho

[storm jungle]

Yeah because Trazyn is an asshole lol

[daring creek]

Yeah like Darktide

[thorn pecan]

So In my defense, it seems less horrible

[daring creek]

I really need to drop this game...

[mossy peak]

https://x.com/TearShapedHeart/status/2038429963234242841?s=20

HeartShapedTear (@TearShapedHeart)

Many of you would fall to chaos for the Tzwink.

X · Mar 30, 2026, 1:35 AM

[valid needle]

Tzwink hahaha

[winter pine]

Trazyn marveling over his original, all in the box Buzz Lightyear toy in the ancient human history section

[storm jungle]

"tzwink" is CRAZY

[daring creek]

Orikan somehow breathing on it. decreasing its value by 9032848084 Trazyn Dollars

[thorn pecan]

Honestly so cool for that

[opaque coyote]

I feel like he'd be the type to turn the awareness on and off for random amounts of time

And for Necrons that random amount of time can be between one minute and like 500 years

[daring creek]

Orikan repeating the same 20 minutes for 3 fucking years

[storm jungle]

Yeah because hes a dipshit

[daring creek]

The implications w orikan is just

insane

[storm jungle]

most realistic use of time travel btw

"Sir you are on court for tax evasion"

rewind

[opaque coyote]

I think it's mentioned that Necron plays last like

Decades?

I forgot how long

[daring creek]

Motherfucker could be rewinding time at any fucking moment, repeating things, rewording things he said, rehearsing.

god.

[winter pine]

rerolling a bad skill check irl is about what I'd expect from time travelers

[opaque coyote]

He defeats someone. Wants to make a cool one liner

Fucks up

Rewinds

[daring creek]

YES

YES MY FUCKING POINT EXACTLY

[opaque coyote]

Fallout 3/4 % speech checks be like

[daring creek]

THE SAME EXACT CONVERSATION COULD HAVE HAPPENED BILLIONS OF TIMES

The hate has to be romance

Hate Yaoi

[opaque coyote]

Orikan and Trazyn basically is Yaoi

[daring creek]

https://tenor.com/view/trazyn-warhammer-necron-sparkle-skeleton-gif-9787315891189025080

[opaque coyote]

There is no other possible explanation

[daring creek]

I love their designs btw

[winter pine]

There was a segment in I think Fairly Oddparents of a guy rules lawyering a genie by asking for more wishes that's stuck with me for like 25 years for similar reasons

[daring creek]

I fucking love the twist where Trazyn being "killed" is just the lychguard he had as a backup.

I love that

[neon jacinth]

Ty

[crystal forum]

he literally just keeps asking for more wishes

also i think the genie is voiced by norm macdonald

[valid needle]

Silver Guard are highly hinted and nearly flat out said to be Black Templar successors founded by Sigismund.

Officially unknown though. But highly hinted to be BT in codex’s.

I also won’t mention any white dwarf chapters so I won’t mention the white dwarf confirmed successor.

[storm jungle]

Why not, WD stuff is canon

[valid needle]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-no-country-for-old-men-ok-oops-javier-bardem-gif-10579690

[storm jungle]

It is lol

[valid needle]

Fine

Knights Ophidian

[storm jungle]

there was that so hard

[valid needle]

Extremely

[storm jungle]

[daring creek]

Who suffers the least in the imperium

[quaint turtle]

Nobles or rogue traders

[valid needle]

Xenos

[quaint turtle]

Not if I have anything to say about it

[hallow saddle]

middle class and up on ultramar

[quaint turtle]

Nah the middle class are still in an oppressive theocracy

[hallow saddle]

of course, but they suffer least out of probably anywhere else in the imperium

[quaint turtle]

As mentioned before, nobles and rogue traders

[hallow saddle]

they live like kings

[quaint turtle]

Exactly

They suffer the least

[hallow saddle]

ya true i hadnt really read the question haha

[quaint turtle]

They still suffer mind you but their suffering is more because of political intrigue and the threats a rogue trader may face on the frontiers they explore

[hallow saddle]

a noble on somewhere like ultramar or a member of an elite rogue trader family ya

[quaint turtle]

Really depends on how the rogue trader operates tbh

[hallow saddle]

maybe like a lower tier rogue trader, potentially less cutthroat

im not sure

[quaint turtle]

Those that take a more personal approach are always in danger

While the stand off merchants type like brahms are generally comfortable in their own ship

If you want to get even mkre introspective

The zealots on the Morningstar are generally the most happy to be there besides the ogryns

Its like giving an ork eternal war

Giving a zealot an opportunity to kill as many heretics as possible before dying is a dream come true

[daring creek]

are there games centered around necrons

[storm jungle]

Mechanicus 2

which is coming out soon

[daring creek]

oop

as in you can play as necrons?

[storm jungle]

also Battlefleet Gothic 2 has a necron campaign, id suggest just watching the cutscenes for that its peak

[storm jungle]

Yep

[daring creek]

sweeeeet

[storm jungle]

you are a necron waking up to put down the mechanicus messing with your shit

Mech 1 just had admech as teh only faction avaliable

now its 2 choices, pretty good

theres also Dawn of War dark crusade but that was when necrons had zero character so you are essentially just controlling robots with beepboop sounds

[daring creek]

GET OU-

[storm jungle]

Chip it in

[storm jungle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-funny

[daring creek]

I think im gonna make this my spray in tf2

its 2 good..

[rancid cove]

the word crakka will always remind me of this meme now

[daring creek]

i wake up
I see a steel wannabe flesh bag touching my shit again
the cycle continues

i cant not find that hilarious

touching my shit YET AGAIN

[paper haven]

virgin Chaos space marine: How does it feel to fight for a dying empire?
Chad imperial guardsman: Euphoric.

[daring creek]

Chad?

Virgin?

[rancid cove]

chaos and virgin in the same phrase

smh

[paper haven]

You heard what I said

[rancid cove]

Chaos rules

[paper haven]

Oxymoron

[rancid cove]

noo... my beautiful group of xenophobic racist chuds.......... last time ill see them together...

[storm jungle]

(He, in fact, would NOT kill for the Warmaster)

[quiet orchid]

what

why im still reading this chat?

[rancid cove]

Loken doesn't turn traitor alongside his brothers when it comes down to the Horus Heresy

and he ends up fighting them during the Siege of Terra

[quiet orchid]

AHA!

[valid needle]

Well. Loken and another mournival member.

Who rat little Horus and rat Abbadon butcher at istvaan because “you didn’t sell your soul to become a slave for literal demons from literal hell”

[valid needle]

God I loved reading little Horus die

[rancid cove]

[valid needle]

How I felt reading torgadden and loken be betrayed by little Horus and Abbadon and reading torgadden be executed whilst loken was made to watch

[daring creek]

whats that one animation where a traitor marine slaps a guardman so hard it kills him

[rancid cove]

Iron Within

[daring creek]

tysm

[rancid cove]

For how dogshit it is theres some very funny scenes

[mossy peak]

https://x.com/IronLadyEther/status/2038693490968670571?s=20

Ether ⚔️✝ (@IronLadyEther)

Daemon Primarchs Magnus and Perturabo catch up

X · Mar 30, 2026, 7:02 PM

[daring creek]

The animation is really carried by how much the camera shakes

and that is looks cool

[rancid cove]

I tried to ignore the shitty animation but the story was overall shit as well, purely bolter porn but it was funny at least

Angels of Death also has shaky camera but it's way more tolerable than Iron Within

[daring creek]

Aw the iron warriors are saving the gurardsmen!

How nice of them

:D

:D.

[rancid cove]

Iron Warriors are one of the best legions trust

[daring creek]

are their books good

and not slop

[rancid cove]

I have some on my to read list so I still have to check it out myself

[brave owl]

i've heard that one of the books has Perturabo being calmer as a Daemon Prince and playing a game with one of his Sons about breaking Cadia

[rancid cove]

theres one of him fixing a tiny ass daemon engine

like

he fixed a piece of metal so tiny it was smaller than a prickle of sand

[daring creek]

whyre they called the iron warriors when iron is so brittle?

Are they stupid??

[rancid cove]

The Iron is only a concept of their cold and resistant mind and self!!!

[daring creek]

Okay but again

[neon jacinth]

Depends on the amount of carbon present in the iron

[daring creek]

Iron is 4 on mohs hardness scale

so not that hard...

[rancid cove]

still used in the 41st millennium therefore its still good

[daring creek]

Ooh true so does that mean the Imperium is good?

[rancid cove]

no because they dont follow the peak dark gods

and instead worship skelly man on poop throne

[daring creek]

Custodians probably need to change the emperors diapers..

[rancid cove]

i unironically believe the throne itself absorbs it

that is if his organs still work completely

[daring creek]

Isnt it describe that hes fully dead

no brain activity

[rancid cove]

forgor all i know hes active in the warp and not entirely on the mortal realm

[daring creek]

one or two more days till I can drink..

[rancid cove]

are you turning

https://tenor.com/view/21-21-kid-9-plus-10-time-traveler-vine-gif-14181590867082166155

[daring creek]

possibly

thats on the 30th of april

same day hitler offed himself

[rancid cove]

i only noticed i picked the horror movie version of this gif after i sent it

[rancid cove]

the vessel...

do not go into art school...

[daring creek]

I cant afford it so dw

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I doubt he can even shit anymore

He's basically just a skeleton/mummy atp

[shadow plover]

Andrew Wincott is the narrator for this book... instant peak

[vagrant fox]

He does a very good job

[celest cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/bg3-baldurs-gate-bg3-devil-bg3-raphael-bg3-raphael-hot-gif-600509499813850036

[vagrant fox]

I think I might just buy Rhuairidhs short story because he's done a banging good job

[celest cedar]

this shit peak

Jeffrey Epstein..

[fervent geode]

This is what the Emperor ascended the throne for…

https://tenor.com/view/danny-devito-its-always-sunny-applaud-happy-cry-clapping-gif-18958303

[vagrant fox]

If you think about it the palace is a kind of island

[paper haven]

Terra is like an island from a certain point of view.

[cinder pivot]

Someone made a mistake and have Magnus the Red be labelled as Primarch of the Death Guard/XIV Legion

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Magnus

[fervent geode]

If Magnus was my primarch I’d be a loyalist tbh

Just to get purged

[mossy peak]

this is why fandom is better

[fervent geode]

No one saw that

[fervent geode]

X100 “We die in glory for those we cherish” be upon you

x100 citations of lore from the Homebrew 40k Wiki and 1d4chan

[fervent geode]

This actually links the DG page though

Someone with editor access fix this please

[celest dome]

it's done

[fervent geode]

Thanks boss🫡

[celest cedar]

https://youtu.be/awQER7VpXAY aaah, the good guys

[vagrant fox]

Kill half of the commenters on this

[celest cedar]

why are the fascist religious zealots is more concerned on fighting with eachother 😢

[fervent geode]

Me when the cruellest and most tyrannical regime possible is being cruel and tyrannical 😮 😱

[raven stone]

Actually to me it speaks more to the fact that Sisters are not above petty personal grudges and vendettas.

Even if they somehow manage to avoid Chaos corruption from having them

[limpid granite]

Grimderp

[celest cedar]

is it 💀

[limpid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/pledge-warhammer-40k-space-marine-2-gif-6344397471759064881

Sister of leandros over here

[celest cedar]

like they'd rather punish someone that survives a battle and not get any repercussions for it. If anything she'll probably get rewarded for it too

[gleaming gale]

I mean, the sister superior spells it out she never agreed with the palatine's assessment of Venthia

The rest is guilty until proven innocent stuff

[raven stone]

I admit it is the way the dialogue is written. Even ignoring the whole “Imperium” part, I could easily see this happening in any other extremist cults in any other setting, be it Fanatsy or medieval historical setting

“I always hated you personally, and now that I am in charge, I get to punish you”

This is a very human vice not specific to the Imperium as a political entity.

[raven stone]

Those two would certainly get along (and Leandros would be jealous of her getting away with that shit)

[raven stone]

Also a case where religious judgement is flaky.
Doctrine is however you argue it.
She can be judged as failing to martyr herself, just as she can be judged to have kept the relic safe.
If we use only the (inadequate and piss basic) theology of the Imperial Creed to argue this case, the theological debate would go on for millennia endlessly, even without caricature.

[gleaming gale]

Yeah, the sister superior fucking hating Venthia sped up the process and weighted into one side of the verdict

[midnight dragon]

Is the chaos deamons of khorne literally a direct counter to tau?

[celest cedar]

well yea but often times tyrannical regimes like the imperium just go straight to murder, or torture first then murder you for it. And the imperium is just an even more crueler version of that by strapping a person to a torture engine that they cant easily die on 💀 The fact the sister superior can just easily order someone to be put to the torture engine and not anyone bats an eye about it says a lot

[raven stone]

I mean, going strictly by the short story, the Sisters are 200% at fault. You can say the Imperium at large is guilty for allowing such a thing to exist, but as an organisation the Adepta Sororitas govern their own internal affairs.

In fact if Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors were present, even the most Puritan ones would be raising at least a questioning eyebrow at the whole situation as presented.

[celest cedar]

I mean I doubt they would care

since violence and just generally awful ways to treat your fellow human beings is normalized in the imperium

[raven stone]

Inquisitors would actually care if only because they hate wasting resources, mind you, but the point I am trying to make is Sisters are a largely self governing body.

[celest cedar]

they would see it as a fitting punishment for a supposed heretical sister

[gleaming gale]

And probably the sister superior was on her way to become the new Palatine after Saragoza was confirmed dead anyway, besides handling their own internal matters, palatines are of sufficient influence to work side by side with inquisitors and guard generals in managing broad Imperial affairs

[raven stone]

To be honest this will absolutely not happen if the entire party were Guards people instead

So no, I am going to have to hard disagree with you

[celest cedar]

well yea the commissar would just shoot her dead

[brave owl]

Local Catachan disappearing the Commissar

[celest cedar]

technically the same punishment

for not being a martyr yada yada

[raven stone]

Wrong
A commissar will see she has kept the relic safe, deemed it mission appropriate.
And let her live.

Commissars are not religious zealots like Sisters

There is a nuance you refuse leading to incorrect application of lore here.

[gleaming gale]

Plus the prefectus needs to hold up a trial and investigate the situation of a potentially condemned guardsman, the doming on the spot happens on the battlefield only, they'd be well out of that

[brave owl]

Commissars play a real delicate game of not getting shot by your own troops for being to gung ho with the summary executions, depending on which regiment they are leading

[celest cedar]

I mean even the best commissars are few and rare, but most are just state loyal zealots

[raven stone]

If a Commissar really did shoot her on the spot, the Commissar themselves risks being sent off to the penal legion for incorrect judgement.

[gleaming gale]

Yeah, as I said, executions are free game only on the field of battle if the unit is wavering and the unlucky idiot is trying to run with the commissar nearby

[raven stone]

Hating dictatorships is fine, but don’t hate it to the point of being unable to grasp fundamental lore and role differences.

[celest cedar]

all in all, the sister superior was wrong for even giving a disproportionate retribution and a commissar wouldnt hesitate to do the same

jsut more immediate 💀

[raven stone]

Nobody is disputing the Sister Superior is wrong. But it is your assumption that everyone in IoM is as fanatical as that one single sister that is being challenged here.

That is a really bone headed and narrow minded take, in all honesty.

[celest cedar]

I mean the whole culture of the imperium is a death cult?

[gleaming gale]

The commissar's purpose to a regiment is to keep morale in check, not zeal and faithfulness, you have the confessors for that

[celest cedar]

like decent people would still have semblances of normalized violence that they would let the truly deplorable ones go unchecked lol

like uh

the other sisters complicit in the act

[raven stone]

Even then, different organisations enforce it to different degrees, and Guard perspective most certainly only pay lip service to it in favour of actually completing the mission.

[gleaming gale]

Venthia the guardsman would be hauled out of that thing and investigated by the Commissariat to determine what the fuck happened, THERE they might think her story is patchy or not and execute her or not, but her bringing the relic would weigh in a lot more

[brave owl]

I think some of the more cruel comms would probably shoot you to get the rest of a regiment to fight harder without the morale being bad, or to run forward faster

[gleaming gale]

Yeah, on the field of battle, not at a temple

[raven stone]

Weigh a lot more in Venthia’s favour with the Commissariat, just so we are clear I think.

[gleaming gale]

Yep

[celest cedar]

and that still doesnt stop commissars from executing suspected heretics, real or not from still wasting resources 💀

sure uh mission accomplished

[valid needle]

I lost my shit when daddy Yarrick said something something there will be no evacuation there will be no cowardice

Honestly le peak

[raven stone]

We are discussing in the context of the clip here.

[celest cedar]

yes

and you made a guard comparison so why should I get pointed out for this tho 💀

[raven stone]

Look you can hate the Imperium and respect the lore, and what we are trying to get through to you is that Sisters are an exception 80%-90% of the time.

They do not reflect how the “average” Imperial actually thinks

[gleaming gale]

They'd still investigate the circumstances and hard evidence, in Traitor Rock (I think) there are already rumours that there are guardsmen abusing drugs and trading them, Commissar Shand doesn't execute anyone until he finds the actual drugs on someone, otherwise you lose an entire platoon just from idiots pointing fingers at eachother

[raven stone]

Even with Death Cult accounted for.

[celest cedar]

he kileld the one reasonable guy man 😔

[brave owl]

pener regiment

[celest cedar]

I mean that one sister if not stopped by the salamander dude would execute an entire innocent family lol

and again, the other sisters who are completely fine going through the act of putting someone who didnt die into the torture engine...

[valid needle]

Nah he got the entire guard hyped up, he saved Armageddon and in this server Commissar Yarrick is a hero.

[gleaming gale]

Yarrick slander will not be allowed

[raven stone]

Sisters are religiously fucked up, but very few average Imperial is as fucked up as they are
Notice how your own examples are all Sisters related.

[gleaming gale]

The guy lost the Steel Legion, it was justified

[brave owl]

Yarricks too old for dis shit

[celest cedar]

I will slander him 😈

[valid needle]

The steel legion would never retreat so the cadians and krieg don’t get to either

[celest cedar]

I lowkey thought the first guy was a commissar

similar color palette from first viewing

[gleaming gale]

Our city, our world 🗣️

[celest cedar]

ok but how few is the average imperial when the entire population of the state is like trillions or billions lol

[gleaming gale]

More than 1

[celest cedar]

and that one guardsman regiment that regularly

fights its own homeworld's people

because they kept rebelling due to how oppressive the rulers are

[gleaming gale]

Yeah, the Mordians

[valid needle]

Legit came back from the dead to tell his soldiers to grab a monster and lock in

[celest cedar]

or marines constantly being send to fight their own people for also rebelling against the state 💀

and they're completely fine doing this

[celest cedar]

yuh that

[brave owl]

hot take citizens will rebel less if they get more grox burgers, its true trust

[celest cedar]

well I do fuck with the steel legion aesthetic

ww2 german and american gi aesthetic I fw

[raven stone]

Ok look I sincerely think we are conflating two very different takes here.
If you want to say Imperium has normalised suppression against its own citizens, that is fine and nobody can deny that.
However, the Sisters case here is very specifically a personal grudge skullduggery within a religious organisation, and that sort of shit has tonnes of real life precedence even without IoM being a thing

[celest cedar]

and I see it as just another example of the Imperium being the Imperium; death cult zealots that normalizes violence

[valid needle]

Sisters are so extremist it makes some marines sick btw

[celest cedar]

which is also a thing that happen irl

like sure theres personal feelings involved on the sis super but the fact she can just stuff her inside a torture engine and no one gives a shit or voiced how horrible that is 💀

[gleaming gale]

Plus for the Imperium a rebelling world/sector is justified from their point of view to be put down harshly when they are surrounded by aliens and hell horrors that all want to kill them, that is objectjvely agreed upon, doesn't mean it makes it right from an IRL point of view still

[celest cedar]

like I said, they normalize violence so much that extreme retribution is almost always the answer

self inflicted wounds and all that

[valid needle]

Yeah but we also then have examples of space marines standing against sisters when sisters do their human hating stuff. The sisters are as extremist as it gets.

[celest cedar]

only example I can think of is that salamander one

[raven stone]

I guess my last point of contention is to say that different organisations within the Imperium react very differently to how the violence has been normalised, and in as much as the entire concept is wrong to begin with, there is a genuine factual difference as to how different organisations go about exercising this normalised violence.

Which, I will be honest… boils down to a very personal point of view then. If you think normalisation is wrong, end of story, then I and you are probably going to be unable to continue because you would look at existence of a Commissar tribunal as equally horrible as being shoved into a penitent machine (I.e. normalisation of cruelty is wrong therefore all IoM organisations are in the wrong, period.)

Whereas what some of us are doing here is differentiating between how Guard and Marines reacts instead of how Sisters would in a lore related setting, but as pointed out above, the rejection as laid out means even if these exceptions/other reactions exists, you refuse them because they belong to the IoM that normalised it.

[celest cedar]

which is fair, the salamanders are like the most human connected chapters ig

[gleaming gale]

Salamanders are a bit flanderized in that regard, they have absolutely no issue with burning people alive either

[celest cedar]

yeah

ig you still gotta make them likeable in some ways

[fervent geode]

Salamanders have internal racism

Too human

[gleaming gale]

Vulkan had them kill a planet's population because they colluded with the eldar, and he's the one paraded as a goody two shoes by most of the fans

[fervent geode]

Don’t let them catch any Igneans around

[fervent geode]

Adrax Agatone burning yet more dissenters

[surreal nest]

I dont think some of you realize how fanatical the average imperial citizen is

[celest cedar]

well yea, its pretty obvious already what I think of everyone in the Imperium 💀
like even the most heroic characters would still be people that have some semblance of violence normalized

and uh racism towards anyone thats not human

[gleaming gale]

Yeah, the entire imperial ethos is faith and militarism

[celest cedar]

ciaphas is part of this heroic category btw

[surreal nest]

It literally is a death cult by definition

[celest cedar]

lighter shade of black and all that

[surreal nest]

imperials would gather around captured xenos and stab them to death most likely

[gleaming gale]

Yup

[wary fulcrum]

its funny seeing this play out in real time as people display such vehemence to Leandros

Leandros is currently a fanatical zealot, a religious and spiritual leader for a genocidal death cult

and people are mad that he's a dick who's been rewarded

[fervent geode]

Ultramilitarism, Fundementalism, and Black Hundredist vigilantism

[gleaming gale]

Leandros' motivation on reporting Titus was justified, he just used the wrong channels

[fervent geode]

That’s how they are raised more or less

[gleaming gale]

Titus's story is sketchy as fuck when told second hand

[surreal nest]

This just in, hall monitor gets extra recess time for roaming their halls

[fervent geode]

Tbh Leandros was right in an Astartes’ shoes

There was no chaplain around

[wary fulcrum]

did he? I've seen a lot of people quote the codex astartes and how he should have gone about it, but i can't find the passage in my copy

[gleaming gale]

He'd have brought the matter to the chapter librarians for suspected warp corruption, he went to the Inquisition

[fervent geode]

Isn’t it the Reclusiam?

[surreal nest]

definitely shouldn't have reported him to the inquisition upon a whiff

especially a higher rank

[wary fulcrum]

where does it say he should have done that though?

[fervent geode]

I mean Titus’ warp resistance is highly suspect

If you aren’t Titus

[wary fulcrum]

he had no librarius, he had no chaplain, he only has an inquisitor to hand

[wary fulcrum]

resistance or protection?

[gleaming gale]

Yeah, where Leandros faulted was he didn't keep the issue internal

[fervent geode]

Depends on how you see it, but the stain of suspicion never fades

[wary fulcrum]

he shouldn't have, we have evidence they're not supposed to and it's narratively shown to be a failing in the DA, the BA, the SW

Why would the guys who pitch themselves as being above all that then do the same thing?

[gleaming gale]

A marine fucking up is judged by the chapter, not an external factor like an Inquisitor

[celest cedar]

his warp resistance simply because man's too goddamn angry about demons to feel fear from them

[wary fulcrum]

He didn't fuck up, he was suspected of being tainted by the warp and in command of his own ship

he's also charismatic, talented, and is followed by his men

[gleaming gale]

I was rounding up any kind of issue, Titus being suspect of taint would still have had Leandros report it to the higher ups of the chapter normally

[wary fulcrum]

he's the exact type of character who is capable of leading the whole company into treachery if given time

Why give him time?

[fervent geode]

There are a few instances of Warp resistance and defeating daemons leading to chaos corruption like Arkio or Sarpedon

There is reason for suspicion

[gleaming gale]

Which is why Calgar wasn't exactly happy the Inquisition found out and took Titus away, but he couldn't punish Leandros that much either, so he sided him out as Chaplain

[wary fulcrum]

Where does it say that's what they're supposed to do?

How well did that work out for Learchus when he reported the dereliction of Ventris in that series?

[fervent geode]

He could’ve punished Leandros, he didn’t, because Leandros adhered to the Codex

[raven stone]

It should be noted

The Inquisitor who took Titus was a Marine hating Inquisitor.

[fervent geode]

Leandros couldn’t have known that tbh

Thrax kept his insane shit secret

[raven stone]

Other more radical Inquisitors would probably give lip service to Leandros and then tell Titus “look you are invulnerable from Warp, I am not having you waste your talents in the Chapter”

[wary fulcrum]

A smart man

[surreal nest]

inquisitor rolled out of his transport and said btdubbs, i fucking HATE marines. Im gonna do EVIL SHIT to this guy this marine

[wary fulcrum]

Ordo Astartes is there for a reason

[fervent geode]

It’s only natural you’d report the suspicious warp fuckery to the “friendly” Ordo Malleus guy

[fervent geode]

I don’t remember the scene well but it’s not like he told Leandros that when the report was made

[wary fulcrum]

(it may be worth noting, i'm not sure Astartes are fully aware of the intricacies of Inquisitorial authority)

[gleaming gale]

We have no physical codex astartes to read upon, it's more or less the theoretical agreed upon way of going with things, the Inquisition finding out a chapter's marines are suspected of heresy by their comrades going willy nilly to report them instead of keeping it within the Chapter for an internal solution can have certain inquisitors, depending on influence, deem the entire Chapter as heretic and to be destroyed, Leandros took a huge and unnecessary risk

[brave owl]

Ultramarines rule a huge section of imperial spacew

[fervent geode]

It was a bigger risk to let Titus potentially do the Chaos Rising heretic ending

[brave owl]

its probably not that easy

[raven stone]

Or how Inquisitors differ between person to person. Marines tend to see Inquisition as a monolithic ideological bloc.
It’s why Space Wolves hate all Inquisitors for Armageddon (even the ones who probably voted against it/were not even involved).

[fervent geode]

Back then the 500 worlds had still been let go

[limpid granite]

The inquisitor in question was also discovered to be a chaos worshipper

[wary fulcrum]

exactly, it's pure fancanon that isn't actually supported by the lore, and i'd argue is evidenced to be contradicted by the lore.

The non-codex compliant chapters being the ones to do it that way would indicated to me that the codex seems to say be open about it.

The Inquisitor could try to deem the Ultramarines as heretics, but they'd lose. The Space Wolves have literal were-wolves and went to open war with the Inquisition, and the Inquisition had to publically bow down and back off as a result of just how powerful the first founding chapters are.

And i can absolutely 100% guarantee that an Inquisitor finding out the chapter had hidden it from the inquisition is a much stronger arugment for wiping the chapter out than openly handing a potential traitor over.

Leandros took less of a risk in that regard than going to the chapter would have been,

[limpid granite]

If leandros followed the codex he wouldve went to the chaplain instead of the ordo hereticus

[fervent geode]

Thrax was possessed by the daemon while investigating the Grey Slayers a long time later

[wary fulcrum]

Well, there’s Armageddon, the Shadow War, the Assassinations, the Fenris Crusade

They have a fair number of reasons these days

[wary fulcrum]

there's no actual evidence thats the case btw

[raven stone]

Ah…right lol.

[wary fulcrum]

oh, i'm joking that all of these stemmed from Armageddon

[valid needle]

This wasn’t until 100 years after

The imprisonment of Titus was legal

[brave owl]

fuck it lets just all war on armageddon for every conflict Burning Gundam style. If you win, you get control of a random planet for your faction

[fervent geode]

Also Thrax was an Ordo Malleus inquisitor, quite right choice for warp related bullshit

[wary fulcrum]

We need to remember, Leandros' actions were such that the chapter thought Leandros could safeguard and protect the spirit of the chapter and the codex. He is literally a bulwark against corrosion and corruption of their intent.

This does not indicate he ignored the codex to go over anyones head, otherwise they would never make him a chaplain.

[valid needle]

He went on mission 100 years after imprisoning Titus and came into battle with a daemon who killed him and stole his identity. He didn’t worship chaos because he was already dead and the daemon was wearing his skin

[gleaming gale]

Man, I fell for the Titus/Smurf rabid fan rhetoric lmao

[fervent geode]

My man was dead like Dragan

[raven stone]

If nothing else roping in Calgar felt a bit like fan pandering…

[wary fulcrum]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dwight-schrutes-face-mask

[wary fulcrum]

Justice for Lean-

No no, he's still a dick, just a technically correct one

[brave owl]

just lean

[gleaming gale]

Should've known better to just keep hating the smurfs

[brave owl]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-guilty-gear-mist-finer-ensenga-guilty-gear-strive-gif-13542567353507516977

[wary fulcrum]

nah thats justified to be fair

[limpid granite]

Dicktros

[spring cairn]

just lean

[brave owl]

any leaners in chat

[valid needle]

King Leandros

[gleaming gale]

Chapter Master Leandros

[limpid granite]

Inb4 leandros is also dead and a daemon puppets him

[valid needle]

I wish

[gleaming gale]

SM3 plot leak

[wary fulcrum]

Master of Sanctity Leandros

[gleaming gale]

SM3 will inevitably have the necrons outjerked by another surprise Chaos incursion midway through the game and Titus will pull another saintly bullshit to make Leandros be the butt of the jokes

[limpid granite]

Titus is going to literally cleanse corruption from the ground he walks on and leandros will still judge him

[valid needle]

Good

Fuck Titus

[limpid granite]

Deathguard necrons tyranids orks and black legion for sm3

Or red corsairs

For the funny

[gleaming gale]

It will probably be Word Bearers with a Lorgar reveal, trust

Calth 2.0 happens

[midnight dragon]

Dude, this is fucking hilarious, casting both as dreadnaughts because thats what they'd be by them is actually so clever

[valid needle]

King Lorgar please

[wary fulcrum]

I mean that is suspicious

When Sanguinnius was reincarnated into the BA, it was a daemon prince

[fervent geode]

Unbelievably based

[valid needle]

100 thousand more ultramarines for the slaughter

[fervent geode]

RIP my man Arkio

[brave owl]

lamentors 😭

[wary fulcrum]

Pour one out for the homie

[limpid granite]

Chairon as a dreadnought

[fervent geode]

He thought he was god but he got goofed😔

[valid needle]

And then Lion El’Jonson pulls up and says “it’s wulfen time” and proceeds to Indomitus crusade his 40 thousand

[wary fulcrum]

One of those BA ones with the murder claws and berserker rage

[fervent geode]

Cowards who weren’t at Baal smh tbh omfg istg

[wary fulcrum]

Canonically he’s pretty chill about the Wulfen

[brave owl]

next space marine game we should be able to play an autistic dreadnaught who's special interest is uppercutting you in the taint

[gleaming gale]

The little alien dudes told him they're alright

[valid needle]

I know. Russ glazes him for it.

[wary fulcrum]

Aren’t…aren’t they all…never mind

[brave owl]

Their numbers were near extinction low

[fervent geode]

There were a 100 of them who could’ve come and died

Like my goat Sentor Jool

[brave owl]

they are supposedly only just barely recovering now

[fervent geode]

Should’ve just died and got refounded

We can get someone new instead of Malakim for a change

[fervent geode]

About as useful of a CM as Gregor Dessian

[gleaming gale]

The literal excuse for 'we just made a mini for Lysander and can't promote him yet'

[limpid granite]

Aura farm

[celest cedar]

do you think the other ultramarine initiates gave Leandros the wedgie because of how nerdy he is

[gleaming gale]

Tbf Leandros is also partly responsible for the death of the previous captain before Titus

I think he just brings bad luck to 2nd Company captains

[wary fulcrum]

they probably venerate him

Leandros' is the Chad Thundercock of the Ultramarine world

[vagrant fox]

As they should

He's the perfect chaplain

[fervent geode]

Same person, just realised it today

[rancid cove]

He looks like he'd enjoy MCR

Head sculpt of the average: When I was a young boy my father enjoyer

[fervent geode]

I like the more fucked up looking bangles

Like Mannfred right here

Or Amit

[rancid cove]

Tbh I really like the spectrum of beauty BA can represent
More "beautiful" and angelic ones are good for the concepts they try to represent (like the pure angel boys) or mfs who look like they are Nosferatu themselves

[wary fulcrum]

I think Dante is pure count Orlok

Complete with bunny teeth

[rancid cove]

Ain't he described to share a good looking face similar to Sangy? Or am i tripping

[wary fulcrum]

i can't remember, i know he never took his mask off but i can't remember if Devastation of Baal had it in or not

[valid needle]

No

Space marine did a bad job at portraying that rogues like Titus and Uriel etc are outliers and the vast majority of ultramarines are just like Leandros

[vagrant fox]

Dantes face is described in Devestation of Baal

Dude's all wrinkly and got jowls

[wary fulcrum]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nosferatu-affliction

should be like this guy

paedo moustache and all

there's an AoS short where the mental Khorne warlord who's slaughtered his way across the realm to get to a group as the gates close, he takes his helmet off and he's all middle aged with a moustache

[vagrant fox]

then again he de-ages when he sips on some serf

and some more when he passed the sloppicon to be a slopmaris

[rancid cove]

I'm still letting him hit raw

All the stress from being alive all these years gonna be drained off of him alongside his special seed

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[valid needle]

wtf bro😭😭

Where tf is dilara when we need a mod most

[rancid cove]

I am thirsty for them vampire marines

[rocky gale]

We drain only blood

[rancid cove]

I am extracting the gene-seed for the future of the chapter

[valid needle]

Only Vampire marine simping we accept around here are The Nightlords

The real and true Based Chud Vampires.

[rancid cove]

They have the aesthetics just not the red thirst
Thats why i made my OC have blood angel geneseed and be created into a bunch of Night Lords

[valid needle]

Yeah they just do it for the love of the game

Imagine having to be forced to be a vampire

[rancid cove]

Mine would still drink blood and eat people but mutated red thirst where she has some level of regen by doing it is also pog

[valid needle]

Yes Daddy Konrad Curze I will commit crime again. Flay me immediately.

Ngl lowkey I think Konrads brain would short circuit if one of his victims actually said that💀

[rancid cove]

He would probably just kill them for it
No more fun in flaying

Just punches your head smoove off

[valid needle]

Konrad be like “just when I thought humans had run out of ways to make me sick”

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[rancid cove]

Imagine him hitting a Smiling Friend and going
"D-Dude what the fuck t-thats like, extremely weird man. Get some help or something, I'm out" and just leaves the person on the chains

[valid needle]

“Man that’s fucked up bro what the hell is wrong with you I can’t do this. Sevatar shoot him immediately”

[rancid cove]

Talos on the corner having his 100000th seizure of the day

While Lucoryphus just aura farms

[valid needle]

“Nooo you aren’t meant to enjoy this I don’t like it when you enjoy it, fear me you psycho!”

[fervent geode]

Sev, Shang, throw this sicko into the void, I’m so done.

[rancid cove]

Fulgrim on the other hand: Eidolon, fetch me the baby oil...

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/benny-fallout-fallout-new-vegas-what-in-the-goddamn-confusion-gif-24924085

[fervent geode]

Gestures to oiled up marines
These are your new forever friends, “Eidolon, Kaesoron, Vairosean and Telemachon. Unfortunately, forever will last an hour, enjoy.” - Fulgrim to a very unlucky Iron Hand after Isstvan V

[rancid cove]

https://tenor.com/view/jesse-pinkman-jesse-pinkman-crying-jesse-pinkman-screaming-jesse-pinkman-andrea-jesse-crying-gif-25171987

[raven stone]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/z9key2tp/lore-where-has-commissar-yarrick-be

ok good to see the Space Wolf involvement isn’t THAT all out of nowhere, even if it is still Marines intruding.

(Also funny how Gazhgkull STILL can’t get himself to kill his favourite human)

[valid needle]

Oh great another community post I wonder who has been killed off screen this time

[raven stone]

No one surprisingly.
Well, no one named lol.

[rancid cove]

Please let it be important guardsman character

[rancid cove]

FUCK

[raven stone]

As it turns out Yarrick was reported KIA, but Gazhgkull never bothered to finish the job

Liking his one human still

[rose thorn]

Lmao

That’s fair

[valid needle]

It’s like how joker put it

If he kills Batman then what will he do without him

[raven stone]

Nah, at this rate Yarrick will be the second Commissar to be declared permanently alive (first being Ciaphas Cain)

[rancid cove]

Didnt Gazhgkull also had the biggest opportunity to kill Yarrick while he was captured or something and instead he just let Yarrick go?

[storm jungle]

yeah because hes a good opponent and he was coming back to armageddon

[raven stone]

Pretty much previously, and here he does indeed does so again.

Cain and Yarrick, the Imperium’s pair of eternal Commissars

[valid needle]

To be fair

[storm jungle]

Asking you to shut up freak

[valid needle]

There’s not much that can put up a good fight against orks on the imperial side bar space marines and also to be fair space marines are still rare enough that gaz might know he’s going to be bored out his nut if yarrick dies

[raven stone]

True, it must be remembered the number of Marines that exist in universe is exactly inversely proportional to how popular the faction is in IRL collection.

[valid needle]

Well nah

Because then marines would outnumber everyone lol

Wait

Nvm

Inversely

[raven stone]

Yup, all good XD.

[storm jungle]

"You dont get it guys Ghaz would never kill Yarrick he loves fighting him!"

yeah so he can fucking kill Yarrick like this LMAO

[gleaming gale]

Space Wolves literally kitbash Yarrick

bravo GW

[raven stone]

I mean to be fair this is more in-between writing by GW once again.
They never explicitly say “Yarrick outright died and SW resurrected him”
Even though Gaz does have Yarrick proper beaten to near pulp at this point.

[storm jungle]

Im saying more that people assume Ghaz "loves" Yarrick

when he literally just wants a competent enemy he can defeat and then brutally kill

[gleaming gale]

People kinda blew up out of proportions the occasion where Ghaz let a dick-naked Yarrick fuck off because he was no challenge

[storm jungle]

Yeah that

he let him go because he wants a competent enemy commander he can steamroll eventually

like if Angron actually killed Yarrick people assume Ghaz would even care, he'd at best go "Damn, what a loser"

[raven stone]

On the one hand I slightly misread the emphasis on your sentence.
On the other hand, I have a feeling Gaz deliberately left Yarrick for Imperials to find.
On a weird final note, Gaz might be measuring humans with Ork tenacity, so to Gaz this is quite literally the warmup match.
…

And ultimately, I would say an Ork “loving” to fight you only means they will beat you to “near-death”, which from an autistic definition point of view still isn’t outright killing :p

[civic gale]

hi lore chat

[raven stone]

I mean, Gaz would react, but it would be more like “damn now I want to fight this Angron guy!”

[storm jungle]

LOL

yeah basically

people really overhype how much Ghaz cares about Angron

[gleaming gale]

People kinda forget Ghaz in an ork at the end of the day lol

They're not deeply philosophical beings who concern themselves with long-term benefits and the like, they're focused on the 'now', Ghaz letting Yarrick live was the time frame until the literal next encounter and an exception

[heady rivet]

I will say Ghaz and Yarrick having toxic yaoi dynamic is my beloved little detail for Armageddon. They deserve each other (derogatory)

[valid needle]

He would at most go “so this angron can fight?”

[storm jungle]

Yeah Ghaz is like an even more worse version of someone like Mike "Wifebeater" Tyson

"so who else can I fuck up after this?"

[rose thorn]

Every time I think about people being upset about a character dying off screen I think of that fanart of the shark vtuber having a statue in the Carcharadons ship

[celest dome]

Gura

[shadow plover]

death

upon you

[gleaming gale]

Tyberos's height increases by another 15 centimetres

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[heady rivet]

Another 20 trillion millimetres to the chapter master

[gleaming gale]

Warlord Titan size, any day now

And that's before the rubicon

[valid needle]

You make Fulgrim feel sick.

[heady rivet]

He crosses the Rubicon and starts 1v1ing the fat man Slaanesh planet

[young pecan]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExbWtjMXBpbjR1YWw4b3NhaHk3dTdpZWVlaTJpOHp1Y3B1cTBhdTE4MSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/YpQOQwuQaUqKiUcRtq/giphy.gif

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/catalinaville-steve-rambo-good-morning-gif-628423070838336473

[young pecan]

yeah that fits

[heady rivet]

If any if you havent seen Catalinaville please stop everything you are doing and watch it now

https://youtu.be/NeK7NdAvLrg

I am BEGGING

[gleaming gale]

You already had your victory yesterday by convincing someone to play Munda

[storm jungle]

tear down the false Mundanite

[heady rivet]

But this is different. This is Catalinaville

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/gachimuchi-bogdan-turned-around-cool-gif-25461987

[gleaming gale]

Behold the vile mundanite, moving goal posts

[storm jungle]

Kill him

[rancid cove]

It makes me wonder if someone was to make a "boring" war for the orks to fight that the orks would get mad and leave or just make very bad tactical decisions that fucks them up completely

[storm jungle]

Nah

they'd kill everyone then leave

[rancid cove]

Surely this has happened before

[storm jungle]

It hasnt no

[heady rivet]

War is not boring also

[storm jungle]

^

orks are psychopathic murderers

[heady rivet]

Even when getting blown the fuck up they'll be like "Pog"

[storm jungle]

Orks only get bored ONCE all the fighting is over

[heady rivet]

Literally the Major from Hellsing

[rancid cove]

"Poggers", the ork screamed before a fellow ork aircraft fell from the sky and squashed him

[heady rivet]

For every Waagh the Imperium stops there's like 100 that fizzle out in Ork space because they cant keep it together long enough to fight later instead of each other now

[heady rivet]

Literally true

[fervent geode]

That’s Fulgrim

Not Orks

[celest dome]

Eldars have at time been annoying fights for the Orks due to them doing a lot of hit and runs

[rancid cove]

I know orks dont have the biggest tactical expertise, is it plausible if a enemy specifically engaged in a strategy to "ragebait" the orks with hit and runs and constant retreats to lead the Orks into a trap,
Would the average ork fall into it or are they not THAT dumb?
I'm not the most knowledgeable into orks as I am still reading into them

[storm jungle]

Thats what the Eldar do so yes

they'd only not fall into it if they had smart Nobs or a smart Warboss who sees through it which isnt that common

[gleaming gale]

Or the warboss gets the brilliant idea to warp back in time to kill himself and get a copy of his favourite gun to have two

[rancid cove]

"I might be immortal but I can feel pain still so count me out"

[fervent geode]

No like he gets bored and leaves, happened in front of Dorn lol

[rancid cove]

Smart nobs? Is that a specific smart ork unit categorization?

[storm jungle]

No just orks that sometimes can actually think lol

[rancid cove]

Thats kinda the excuse he have before he fucked off in front of Dorn

[gleaming gale]

Dorn bored Khorne away from corrupting him, literally everyone would rather watch paint dry than interact with Dorn

[valid needle]

I don’t believe that bored story

[heady rivet]

https://youtu.be/FK2UB_metFU

[rancid cove]

Wait the average ork has no thoughts?

[storm jungle]

oh my GOD

[fervent geode]

Dorn says he couldn’t have beat Fulgrim

[heady rivet]

Orks are like your horny brain but instead of sex they want to murder

[valid needle]

He wasn’t bored 5 seconds before dorn showed up or when Sigismund was beating the shit out of him but suddenly when he retreats at the sight of dorn it’s like “oh fulgrim was just bored guys”

[rancid cove]

Ragebaited

[fervent geode]

He has his moments, like when he shakes the hand of Horus

[storm jungle]

Dumbass furry

get out

[fervent geode]

He fought Dorn iirc

Dorn couldn’t kill him

Then he got bored and called in Eidolon with the Phoenix Guard

[urban spire]

no sigismund is from the fantasy setting

[valid needle]

At the siege Sigismund jumps fulgrim, rips Fulgrims hair out and starts cutting him and then Fulgrim pushes him back and begins making his way to fight Sigismund again and then Dorn steps in front and suddenly it’s like “oh Fulgrims bored that’s why he’s retreating” but he wasn’t bored a second ago.

[fervent geode]

This was in Saturnine yeah

I need to see it again later

[wary fulcrum]

Yeah because Sigismund is THE fight

[valid needle]

So he wasn’t bored fighting Sigismund but he’s going to be bored fighting Sigismund AND Dorn. I don’t buy it.

[wary fulcrum]

‘Nah I wanna see what the mortal can do’

[valid needle]

Frfr

[fervent geode]

Here

This was the end of their fight

He just shrugged off Dorn splitting open his stomach

[rancid cove]

He literally said he was immortal but he could still feel pain and thats why he left

Man just didnt want to deal with feeling Dorn picking him off and still regenerate

[storm jungle]

Nah Fulgrim just sucks

HAHAHA

[valid needle]

But he wasn’t bored literally a second before Dorn shows up. It’s cope.

[fervent geode]

But he fought Dorn

[raven stone]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/krrfctul/perturabos-grand-plan-revealed/

[storm jungle]

YO

[raven stone]

Next Chaos Primarch confirmed

[fervent geode]

I hate Fulgrim as much as the next guy but they did fight

[storm jungle]

CLEAR UP LOYALISTS

TRAITOR TIME

[rancid cove]

He had to chance to kill Dorn's favorite lil son but then Dorn showed up and he knew the two combined would just do more damage

[fervent geode]

We had the better Siegemaster primarch tbh smh

[rancid cove]

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOO PERTY IS VBACK

[young pecan]

Surely there are tiers though

[storm jungle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jeb-fire

[valid needle]

I mean Sigismund ripped his hair out and made him his bitch at the start of the fight to be fair

[raven stone]

I mean, that art IS him, so he is a fuckhugr Obliterator/Techmarine/Demon Prince hybrid.

[young pecan]

Like modern warfare with drones and/or long distance stealth kills would be boring

[storm jungle]

urging all loyalist slobbers to leave 📢

urging all loyalist slobbers to leave 📢

[fervent geode]

I know

[rancid cove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/1488379887914848338/mhrz4b2.gif

[raven stone]

Nah I am loyalist and I am staying for this shit, this is cool.

[fervent geode]

Mortarion was the better siegemaster though

Tbh

[valid needle]

Silence tau enthusiast

[wary fulcrum]

Because seeing what Sigismund can do is interesting

If I watch a dude kick a ball into a net from the halfway line, it’s interesting the first 10 times then it’s boring

If I watch a dog do it? Well we got a whole other ball game

[heady rivet]

Look up The Majors speech from Hellsing. That is Orks

[storm jungle]

Be quiet Rock Gaygoer

[valid needle]

We all have our vices.

[gleaming gale]

Wow, Dilara likes the Tau? 🥀

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

Yeah, just like how you like Eldar

🥀

[rancid cove]

Perturabo time
Hopefully GW won't make him lose the war with Dorn coming back to fight him

[fervent geode]

Consistent Fascism (T’au) vs Inconsistent UltraFascism (IoM)

[heady rivet]

CARNALLY?

[storm jungle]

no one said that

something you wanna say to the court....?

[shadow plover]

oh damn

[storm jungle]

🎙️

[heady rivet]

Love how his plan is to conquer Terra in 100000000 years

[shadow plover]

first appearance of daemon pert?

[storm jungle]

looks like it

[gleaming gale]

Scouring book with the Iron Cage drops
Written by John French
Despair

[storm jungle]

What is bro cooking?

[wary fulcrum]

Wonder if they’ll go daemon daemon or Corax daemon with it

[storm jungle]

hes a daemon primarch

lol

[rancid cove]

Surely we gonna conquer Agriipina with this one

[scenic trout]

two arms are never enough

https://tenor.com/view/doc-ock-spider-man-gif-25396780

[valid needle]

Spider Perturabo

[storm jungle]

spider
me when i see backpack with servo-arms

[scenic trout]

[wary fulcrum]

Yeah but Corax is for all intents too

[heady rivet]

How does he scratch his butt

[rancid cove]

IRON WARRIOR SWEEP

PERTURABO IS BACK

HAZARD STRIPE BOYS NEVER MISS

LETS GO GO GO

[valid needle]

Friendly neighborhood Spider-Perty

[storm jungle]

he explicitly isnt

[rancid cove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/1488379887914848338/mhrz4b2.gif

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/1488379887914848338/mhrz4b2.gif

[heady rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/1488379887914848338/mhrz4b2.gif

[shadow plover]

So this kinda confirms he'll be coming more active again and probably will get a model with that

[wary fulcrum]

So is Perty gonna stick to his philosophy or is he gonna hypocrite out?

[valid needle]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-angels-hells-yeah-picmix-gif-6581694474187257287

[gleaming gale]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-you-love-hazard-stripes-hazards-gif-2226543495116622589

[storm jungle]

if by "hypocrite out" you mean suffer slop loyalist bad writing then who knows

[wary fulcrum]

This is GW, they all suffer that

[storm jungle]

✋

[storm jungle]

He always was gonna get one

but yeah

[gleaming gale]

FROM IRON COMETH STRENGTH

[storm jungle]

hes literally in the artwork lmao

[wary fulcrum]

This more or less confirms a model

[shadow plover]

It was the one I suspected would be next, but I hoped none would get a model in a good while

[heady rivet]

I like how he's just huge to a lvel of being inconvenient

I love Warhammer

[storm jungle]

let em cook

[languid meadow]

The big ass uhhh

[valid needle]

Were in Dorns peak return arc ladies and gentlemen

[languid meadow]

Defiler?

In the background

[gleaming gale]

Peter Turbo mini? Nah, have a Rodent Gasoline refresh - GW this summer

[fervent geode]

Hope he’s dead

[valid needle]

Dorn returning mid way through the campaign to Spank Perty

[languid meadow]

Nvm that's a titan covered in skin

Lol

[fervent geode]

Morty can already do that

[valid needle]

Goats never die

[heady rivet]

I for one welcome the Primarch returns because its better than literal status quo every edition and I look forward to the Imperial warlord era in 2055

[valid needle]

Crybabies like daddy doesn’t love me Perturabo do though

[gleaming gale]

Perturabo ironically becomes more caring in 40k, at least with Honsou

[fervent geode]

And yet Gremus Kalgaro is dead😔

[valid needle]

lol

[fervent geode]

He was gonna kill him if he lost the last game

[languid meadow]

Perturabo and love don't go together however primarch and domestic abuse do

[gleaming gale]

Yeah, compared to bonking him on the spot that's a huge improvement

10k more years and Perturabo might even say 'good job' to one of his sons

[fervent geode]

True

Could’ve ended up like Berossus

[wary fulcrum]

?

I mean how the Iron Warriors cut off mutated limbs and replace them with bionics, they reject the corruption

Is Perty embracing it or are they gonna do a Corax embracing who he is in the warp thing with it?

[storm jungle]

Oh my god

THEY ARENT UNIVERSAL AND MONOLITH

THERES IW THAT STILL WORSHIP CHAOS

its like night lords going "erm we hate chaos"

[wary fulcrum]

Are Perturabo and Vashtor rivals? Allies? How’s the power structure work there

[fervent geode]

Twin they all used daemon engines and lived in the eye

[gleaming gale]

There's an Iron Warrior that looks like a knock off Gal Vorbak in Final Deployment lol

[fervent geode]

Occasional unfriendly allies

[storm jungle]

Allies

Vashtorr is an arms dealer

he has no use for (Marvel) rivals

[wary fulcrum]

With aspirations of godhood

[storm jungle]

Like everyone yea

[wary fulcrum]

Or is Perturabo racing them for the god hood?

[storm jungle]

no?

what

[gleaming gale]

Lord of War 2, Vashtorr played by Nicolas Cage 🙏

[wary fulcrum]

Because there isn’t a god there

[storm jungle]

???

[hallow plover]

Primarchs Avengers... Assemble!

[wary fulcrum]

So are Vashtor and Perturabo pushing to the same end goal? Both aiming to rival the 4 actual gods

[storm jungle]

No Vashtorr just wants to become a god, idk anything about rivalry

Perturabo is just a client

he doesnt care about that shit

[fervent geode]

Smh lazyrabo

[gleaming gale]

I wonder how Vashtorr feels about the fact a fucking rat became a god before him

[hallow plover]

Peter wants to siege terra and win

[fervent geode]

Make your own shit like Morty

[storm jungle]

to be fair Horned Rat had like years of worship and gazillions of followers lol

[wary fulcrum]

Then who’s his patron god?

Has he mutated out of sheer willpower? Or is he like the other 5 and there’s an additional hand in it?

[storm jungle]

chaos undivided

[fervent geode]

All four

Like Lorgar

[storm jungle]

Vashtorr just gives him shit because hes a good client

it aint that deep

[fervent geode]

Yeah lol it’s a business

[storm jungle]

^

Vashtorr is literally a lord of war lol

hes extremely business-like and loves deals

[hallow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/nicolas-cage-smoking-cigarette-lord-of-war-taking-a-drag-gif-20367466

[wary fulcrum]

Ah but it should be, because they occasionally make it that deep and that’s how they built on the lore

Closed doors with signs on

[heady rivet]

"How do you arm the other 7528100000000000000000?"

[storm jungle]

[wary fulcrum]

It would be absolutely tragic if it’s not like

Once upon a time, GW writers were supposed to show another plot thread if they explored one (they call them ‘doors’, if you open a door and explore it, make sure you show another, closed, door). It’s done deliberately to inspire that discussion and theory crafting.

A lot of the doors don’t get touched for years, if ever but the point is that they’re there.

So it’d be a bit disappointing if they’re exploring Perturabo and he’s just flat as fuck.

[rancid cove]

I don't care if its slop it has Iron Warriors and now Daemon Perturabo is back
I WILL READ IT AND I WILL ENJOY IT

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-cute-cat-83

[quiet orchid]

No

[storm jungle]

tbh thats always been 40k

the Lion came back and got no lore for 2 years

its just how it is

40k is not a story

[rancid cove]

The story is only there for a side business

[storm jungle]

^

Ian has a great video on this

[rancid cove]

The main product is the minis and always has been

You enjoy the stories as a bonus

[storm jungle]

👆

https://youtu.be/ILpE9l3RGaQ

[rancid cove]

[storm jungle]

literally EVERY SINGLE big event is for minis, every one of them lol

[quiet orchid]

No

[heady rivet]

Hence why the best stories are the side shit. Say, that reminds me of a side game with good writing...

[hallow plover]

I love it when I read a few lines in a BL book and it's obvious miniature shilling

[rancid cove]

As much as I'd love AND kill for a shift towards the story being the main focus for actual good writing and plots, the story is just there as a bonus for enjoyment

Anything else is just minis

[rancid cove]

Shut up Necromunda man HAZARD STRIPE BOYS ARE BACK

[scenic trout]

GW dropping the most banger animation short that could work as entire length movie and series just to be for a single figure

[storm jungle]

At the end of the day we all fall for it too, like I dont buy minis and even ive invested in 40k by sometimes buying books i cant acquire through other means just to feed my brain for more ideas for my sector/faction homebrews

the pull of 40k is inescapable

[solid horizon]

as if GW was a model company

[rancid cove]

Tbh its marketing done right
I ain't complaining, I'm eating all of it

[gleaming gale]

I cant wait for Henry Cavill to play Eisenhorn and advertise the minis by playing a wargame or something in the show with them

[heady rivet]

Battlefleet Gothic. Has some good lore

[young pecan]

40k
40k as a means to sell overpriced plastic

[heady rivet]

You fuckin thought

[storm jungle]

Insidious Eisenhornian backshots

[rancid cove]

Middlefleet gothic

[young pecan]

Is Eisenhorn a mini with rules?

[rancid cove]

Aint that regicide?

[heady rivet]

Ye

[wintry cloud]

Do u guys like mr sieges artwork

Hes like a moving construction site

[solid horizon]

eh

[storm jungle]

we love it

[young pecan]

ouughhh I'm willing it

[storm jungle]

im ironing it

im ironing it

[rancid cove]

WE LOVE IT

[young pecan]

I am speaking your name and willing it

[storm jungle]

IM IRONING IT

[gleaming gale]

There's an actual wargame (Obviously Warhammer) described being played by Iron Warriors in HH, regicide is just chess

[rancid cove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/1488379887914848338/mhrz4b2.gif

[solid horizon]

excavator oil rig man

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/1488379887914848338/mhrz4b2.gif

[heady rivet]

The plastic is good, dont be a secondary and show some bravery. Buy a Killteam

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/1488379887914848338/mhrz4b2.gif

[solid horizon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/1488379887914848338/mhrz4b2.gif

[gleaming gale]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-you-love-hazard-stripes-hazards-gif-2226543495116622589

[rancid cove]

HAZARD STRIPE LEGION, ASSEMBLE

[solid horizon]

why are they fighting the black legion

[rancid cove]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-avengers-endgame-avengers-assemble-marvel-assemble-gif-14593090

[rancid cove]

Chaos Infighting? Never!

[solid horizon]

I do not adhere to my current faction to fight my previous one

sorry peter turbo im not following orders

[gleaming gale]

Barges in dogshit dark eldar animation
Drop a cold banger like 'Weakness is a choice'
Refuse to elaborate
Never show up again in the lore

[wary fulcrum]

Not always, Magnus’ return was done pretty well

The ritual he did on Fenris weakened the barrier between real space and the warp, making it easier for daemons to cross over and harder to banish

Magnus went from Fenris to Luna relatively instantly, Angron from Terra to Armageddon

That’s a pretty cool door with wider implications across the setting

Lion? Mortarion? Not so much

[storm jungle]

yeah and that plotpoint went nowhere

[rancid cove]

[storm jungle]

when has The New Kingdom been mentioned?

lmao

[rose thorn]

My fucking heart skipped a beat in fear that perturabo got a model

[young pecan]

When the psyker psyks all over the place psykingly in a way that they will not do a single time again for the rest of the book

[storm jungle]

all primarchs get footnote campaigns

[rancid cove]

Not yet...

Not. Yet.

https://tenor.com/view/gus-gusfring-gif-24463299

[rose thorn]

not ever hopefully

[storm jungle]

also forgot the bit where Grey Knights and DA go to the planet of the sorcerors completely uninterupted somehow and fuck up magnus

[solid horizon]

do you think perturabo has wrecking balls and excavator buckets

[storm jungle]

(nothing also comes out of this)

[rancid cove]

He's like that big ass excavator transformers that constantly kept crashing the animations team PCs

His balls are literally wrecking balls

[heady rivet]

Like that shitty Transformers movie with the wrecking ball balls

LOLE

The brainworm

[rancid cove]

Great minds think alike

[gleaming gale]

https://tenor.com/view/rfk-jr-worm-gif-13460711445765341489

[wary fulcrum]

It led to the current plotline on Armageddon

[wintry cloud]

Chaos factions can sometimes be chaotic

[solid horizon]

b-b-but I thought they were frens

https://tenor.com/view/whyyy-gif-3239499918304579127

[young pecan]

"The guys who brainlessly charge in to shoot things is brainlessly trying to charge in and shoot us!! Who could have foreseen this?"

[wintry cloud]

They can work together sometimes when they want to equally destroy something ye

[rancid cove]

"Constantin Valdor is now the King in Yellow and is after the Emperors true name to save the Imperium?!"

plot line is never touched again and is slightly mentioned on the incoming 10 more editions

[gleaming gale]

Tbf it's the whole plot of Abnett's new book but he can't release it yet lol

[rancid cove]

Let me make my joke dont ruin it

[gleaming gale]

So assumingly GW wants to do something official with it

No

[rancid cove]

Anyways I just hope Perturabo wins whatever the fuck is the siege hes planning and i HOPE TO GOD DORN DOESNT SHOW UP

[wintry cloud]

I do

More centerpiece stat monsters on the tabletop please

[rancid cove]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-brick-parry-gif-27597104

[heady rivet]

Valdor will appear in 2078 for 902nd edition to have 40k: The End Times

[heady rivet]

Which will resolve with a time travel back to 30k after an arc that takes 12 irl years

[storm jungle]

What? lol

[wary fulcrum]

Angron got banished on Terra a couple of years earlier in story, without the ritual he wouldn’t be able to come back for a long time, but due to it they can just keep going

[storm jungle]

You do realise my point is these plotpoints go "nowhere" is that they dont change the setting and are always meaningless hype and aura moments right

[wary fulcrum]

I mean the Warzone Fenris plotline was an in universe justification for how Daemon Primarchs can keep hitting real space without having to wait hundreds of years between banishments

They’d established that and then did the ritual instead of just retconning it

[storm jungle]

Im pretty sure that literally has nothing to do with daemon primarch respawns

the angron article during Arks outright says "he can just return now quickly" and never mentions the ritual as a factor

Magnus' ritual on Fenris was to bring out Prospero back into realspace

[rocky gale]

First canon artwork of post ascension Perturabo

[storm jungle]

He looks peak

[raven stone]

Guy is going to end up looking like a Gundam

Bet

[raven stone]

Fairly strong hints in the article he is next Traitor Primarch

For 40k era

[wintry cloud]

Cannot wait

[raven stone]

As in Miniature release

[wintry cloud]

The veil is weakening

[raven stone]

Ye

[limpid granite]

also lil skitarii in the artwork

[gleaming gale]

Skitarii doing their best, fucking dying

[rose thorn]

this looks like just hte HH perterabo model with extra claws lol

[solid horizon]

to be fair, that's what an ascended perturautistic would crave for

[wintry cloud]

Oh im not hating