40k-lore-chat

[rancid cove]

[fervent geode]

He could see that freaky corruption with his bloodstained eyes😔

Chose the wrong god but a real one nevertheless

[opaque coyote]

Right after he finally got freed from his literal Daemon as well. Finally being able to see clearly. To feel something more than impotent rage and cruel joy at slaughter.

[rancid cove]

Fucking Cyrion all my homies hate Cyrion

[vagrant fox]

Cyrion did literally nothing wrong

[rancid cove]

He was born

Xarl the most based out of all of them

[opaque coyote]

The Nights Lords book are like a gangster movie

In that

You know these men are assholes

Y'know they don't deserve any sympathy

But you still feel their pain

And you almost forget

That they're murder hobos who are from a planet called Nocturne which basically is just "Gotham City: The Planet".

[rancid cove]

Nostramos

[opaque coyote]

Fuck

[rancid cove]

Nocturne is Salamanders

[opaque coyote]

HOW DID I MESS THAT UP

[rancid cove]

I have no idea

[opaque coyote]

I should've gotten more than 6 hours of sleep

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/goodfellas-laugh-liotta-gif-13856770980338154376

[opaque coyote]

Actually not even 6

It was like

5 hours

Hell

Help

[rancid cove]

Go to sleep

[opaque coyote]

Can't in class

[rancid cove]

You can still sleep in class

Youre just gonna fuck up your neck doing it

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I prefer not

I already accidentally shrimp pose while being on the computer

I don't need to fuck up my neck further

But yeah Nostramos is

[rancid cove]

Nostramos is Gotham on heroin and also planet sized

[opaque coyote]

Still not the worst but it's definitely up there

[opaque coyote]

Literally me

Except

I don't have cool mechadendrites

[rancid cove]

This is me gaming

[opaque coyote]

I'm now imagining a Tech Priest like gaming

[opaque coyote]

And he's like

"Blessed Omnissiah, let me get this kill."

loses the 1v1 clutch

[rocky gale]

You're both wrong, Nostromo is the ship from Alien and Nocturne is a champ from League

[opaque coyote]

"THE MACHINE SPIRIT HAS BETRAYED ME!"

[rancid cove]

Even tho the universe or 40k fucking sucks i dont doubt theres still video games there and some higher ranking people might play it

[solid horizon]

my tech priest mini is assembling a necron, this is a reminder of the posture I adopt while assembling minis

[rancid cove]

"For the God Emperor LET ME GET THIS FUCKING WIN"

[opaque coyote]

I think Alien/Aliens has like my favorite scifi aesthetic

Like ever

[rancid cove]

[rose thorn]

My guess is the insect leg is a Nurgle killteam ?

[opaque coyote]

The Tech Priests canonically have a custom chatroom basically

The Noosphere

[rancid cove]

Yeah i know of it

[opaque coyote]

They speak exclusively in Binary also

On there

[rancid cove]

Its a cod lobby but all in binary

[opaque coyote]

I also find it funny that a lot of them hate like

Speaking english

Because it's too inefficient

[rancid cove]

High Gothic

Not english

[solid horizon]

I wish I painted it better

[opaque coyote]

God

You

You get what I mean

[rancid cove]

HAHAHAHAHA

[opaque coyote]

Actual language

[opaque coyote]

Vs Binary

[rancid cove]

I always forget the difference between High and Low Gothic

[opaque coyote]

Although idk how TF Binary is more efficient

[rancid cove]

Low Gothic is the formal one, yes?

[opaque coyote]

High Gothic basically looks like Latin

It's the formal one

[opaque coyote]

Even time someone speaks fancy or speaks Latin it's high gothic

[solid horizon]

bros been assembling them like they do in lego games

[opaque coyote]

Low Gothic is just whatever dialect the local planet has.

Usually (when not translated) sounds like a mixture of European languages

[rancid cove]

Think of normal language being their second language, and some times theres not enough words to describe certain stuff or that they forget it, therefore they find better using their "native" language because on their terms it has more versatile use

They think normal languages are too long

So it wastes time to process info

Binary is faster

So means less talk

[opaque coyote]

Mfw it takes an entire page of binary to communicate a word

Jk

I just don't have the blessed machine within me

[rancid cove]

Not for them

[solid horizon]

why dont they talk in morse code

[rancid cove]

Probably easier for normal people to decode

Binary is harder

[opaque coyote]

But yeah Low Gothic sounds like a weird combination of like

German, French, Latin, etc

At least when it's not translated

[rancid cove]

Because for non mechanicus its literally just fax machine noises

[near wasp]

Binary may take a lot of characters but there projected at the speed of light

[opaque coyote]

And it's different for every planet

Since low Gothic is basically the local dialect

High Gothic is the "official" language of the Imperium

[rancid cove]

Yeah they just say it fast as fuck

[near wasp]

Even in the grim darkness French still exists

How tragic

[jade holly]

Admech are all secretly just Slim Shady

[rancid cove]

And it just sounds incomprehensible for normal ppl

[opaque coyote]

But usually only nobles or people who travel a lot use it

[rancid cove]

Like uhhh

The magos guy that shows up in sm2 story mode

When he does his weird noises thats binary

[solid horizon]

in the grim darkness of the future, british english still exists

this is a reminder that warhammer 40k is a work of science fiction

[opaque coyote]

Otherwise low Gothic is basically what you're using

[rancid cove]

Its almost fax machine noises

[opaque coyote]

Orks speaking cockney

I find it funny that's basically them speaking low gothic

Like they speak it so crudely that it's translated into being cockney

Apparently Ork language sounds like a bunch of guttral roars and grunts.

[rancid cove]

Do orks even have their own language or they all talk in low gothic but completely incorrect?

[opaque coyote]

They do. Even their own writing

[solid horizon]

lies

writing is for nerdz

[fervent geode]

Apparently Perty speaks Orkish

[opaque coyote]

The symbol for "best friend" is the same as "greatest enemy".

Here is an example of some symbols

[rancid cove]

Doesnt surprise me

[solid horizon]

oh yeah I remember this from the codex

funny pictograms

[rancid cove]

Peak

[rose thorn]

Ork = swatzica

[fervent geode]

It was in Angel Exterminatus, he speaks Orkish and Aeldari lol

Marine = beekee lol

[opaque coyote]

I find it interesting how God/Power resembles a city of sorts.

Along with "Garg" basically being a white square. As if it's so large, it goes past the "frame"

[solid horizon]

lol they are not up to date with primaris

[rancid cove]

Perty is smart as fuck, just blinded by a one sided beef

[opaque coyote]

I think the funniest one is Panzee

Referring to Eldar

And it's literally just a simplified version of their stupid hats

[rose thorn]

Hey why were space marines a bird at first

[fervent geode]

Nurd:unlucky

[rancid cove]

Mark 6 armor

[rose thorn]

Was it a reference ?

[rancid cove]

Beak helmet

[rose thorn]

I mean why did they design it that way

[rancid cove]

Raven guard

[rose thorn]

I mean why did gw make them Beaky

[fervent geode]

Of all the primarch geniuses blud really wasted his being a fucking nerd

[rose thorn]

Omg

[fervent geode]

Sigma appearance

[solid horizon]

I remember reading the ork codex in french and the translation was legit both hilarious and accurate

[opaque coyote]

Generally I really like these symbols.

It reminds me of Hobo symbols

These would make sense to an Ork, especially with there being a lot of mushroom imagery

[rancid cove]

Nah that would be Magnus, Perty wasted in it being a bitter fuck forced to do tasks he hated doing

[opaque coyote]

And also things like "Vanquish/beat" being a thumbs down is great.

[solid horizon]

wasnt part of peter turbo's grudge the fact that he was only seen as a warhorse rather than for his extensive dedication to arts and culture ?

[rancid cove]

Mark 6 was originally created by Corax iirc? At least designed by him

[rancid cove]

Yes

[fervent geode]

Tbh he did shit that he wanted to do lol, if he told Empy otherwise he would’ve felt he was weak but e wouldn’t give to much of a damn lol

[opaque coyote]

Since to them, it isn't like losing a battle is a devastating blow to morale.

It's equivalent to a thumbs down. Just kinda disappointing at most

[fervent geode]

Nah the Admech made it, he was the beta tester

[rancid cove]

And also because Emps gave Dorn the task of doing the protections which Perty wanted to do too

[rose thorn]

Why did The Company Games Workshop decide to make space marines brids

[fervent geode]

No idea

[rancid cove]

He turned bitter cause Emps was a dogshit father

[opaque coyote]

Birdmarines

[solid horizon]

valid crashout tbh

[vagrant fox]

Probably inspired by plate armour

[opaque coyote]

And also cause he fucking stared at the Eye of Terror

[rancid cove]

Probably because someone designed it and they went "hell yeah"

[rancid cove]

Yeah that will do shit to you

[fervent geode]

Valid crashout but tbh he didn’t have to take it out on his kids

[rose thorn]

Corvus did not exist when bird marines were made

[rancid cove]

Its a very common coping mechanism

So like

Everyone is a victim of emps there

[opaque coyote]

A lot of Marine stuff is inspired by Plate Armor.

I think the only one that isn't is the most recognizable one

The one that's a scowl

[fervent geode]

True I guess

But my bitter hateful dad didn’t take it out smh

I mean Mortarion

[rancid cove]

Children who were abused by their parents will eventually grow up to be abusive parents themselves

They turn to whom they hate the most

Its very unfortunate

[solid horizon]

thats not always true

[fervent geode]

They can be better lol

[opaque coyote]

Although I wonder if there was any inspiration for that

[rancid cove]

Ofc not but its one of the most common results of abuse

[fervent geode]

Mortarion

[rancid cove]

They can, but not everyone is able to overcome it

[opaque coyote]

It is hard to move past abuse

[rancid cove]

Yup

[opaque coyote]

But it can be done and it isn't an excuse for being shitty

[fervent geode]

Fair I guess, but Perty wouldn’t even bond with his foster father and kills his sister

[opaque coyote]

Angron is basically a prime example of somebody who basically gave up.

Tbf he has a lot of circumstances against him

[fervent geode]

He has a cool aesthetic but he’s defo a mega turbo asshat even by primarch standards

[opaque coyote]

But everyone can agree that none of his actions are justified

[rancid cove]

Everyone is, lmao

[fervent geode]

True lol

[opaque coyote]

I honestly want to make a fic about an alt. Universe where he at least

Puts in the effort to do things like

Idk

[solid horizon]

peter trubo is always grumpy

[opaque coyote]

Preventing his sons from nailing themselves

[rancid cove]

The way he "abused" his kids were his way to also care for them

He punished them because he wanted them to be perfect and his point of view of being perfect was himself

[gleaming gale]

He's kinda chill in 40k compared to HH

[solid horizon]

yeah

[rancid cove]

So if they endured everything he went trough he was perfect

[solid horizon]

but he's also a mega helbrute now

[rancid cove]

His punishments were just his way of caring

[solid horizon]

a mega helbrute sitting all day long on his throne in his room

doing nothing I suppose

[opaque coyote]

I mean he also killed his family. Including his sister who he actually liked.

Not exactly a candidate for the best parental figure award

[rancid cove]

Look man its 40k

[humble shoal]

He did not like his brother

[rancid cove]

Which one

[humble shoal]

Olympia one

[rancid cove]

Ah

[opaque coyote]

Perturabo was generally a petulant asshole.

But one that can definitely be real

[humble shoal]

Petty man baby is well, a petty man baby

[opaque coyote]

...minus the whole Primarch thing of course

[rancid cove]

I think what sucks is that I can relate to him

[opaque coyote]

I hope you mean relating to the fact that he constantly tries to please the people around him and constantly failing

Rather than uh

[solid horizon]

im an IW player but man I do not endorse all the stupid arrogant or paranoid stuff IWs did and continue doing

[opaque coyote]

Murdering your sister

[opaque coyote]

IW are great cause of that

[rancid cove]

Youre not supposed to endorse anyone on 40k irl unless you are larping

[solid horizon]

clearly, IW are great because hazard stripes and cool machines

[humble shoal]

Blood gorgons are my favorite csm

[opaque coyote]

I'm pretty sure even Bob, the random hiver who just wants to work his 9-8

Probably murdered somebody with their bare hands

[rancid cove]

I will leave this up for speculation.

[humble shoal]

The poor nostramuns

[opaque coyote]

Like I don't believe there's many people in the Imperium who hasn't killed somebody

[solid horizon]

I didnt mean it like that

[rancid cove]

If you live on a hive city killing someone is like your Tuesday morning

[solid horizon]

like most players can more or less agree with their primarch

[opaque coyote]

Maybe a noble, but even then with how cut throat their culture is. They probably still have murdered people

[solid horizon]

peter turbo is eeehh

first of all he has no 40k mini

[opaque coyote]

What about literally the entire traitor legions

[solid horizon]

then he's a grumpy ass sore loser

[rancid cove]

If you can somehow do that then you deserve to be shot I think

[opaque coyote]

Like I like EC

[rancid cove]

Theyre all space hitlers

[opaque coyote]

That doesn't mean that I think Fulgrim is agreeable

[solid horizon]

it's a matter of aesthetic leanings

[opaque coyote]

[opaque coyote]

Oh you mean how cool they are

Eh

[solid horizon]

yeah

more or less

[opaque coyote]

I don't really think about that

Personally

[rancid cove]

NO ONE IN 40K IS AGREEABLE
YOU CAN ROLEPLAY LIKE A MEMBER OF THAT FACTION AND THAT YOU AGREE TO THEM UR NO SUPPOSED TO ACTUALLY ENDORSE THEM

[humble shoal]

I mean blood angels reaaaally love their primarch

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209843216227368962/1486002844715716718/Untitled25_20260323221044.jpg?ex=69c3eb7e&is=69c299fe&hm=f4c3b836002c5e3f59cde5aaee74b97f39663212bfbbd189af5c4d2cfc33cb4a&

[solid horizon]

like look Idont endorse mass fabrication of demonic killing machines

[humble shoal]

I fully support the admech

[solid horizon]

but Istill find pistonhand really cool despite him being an idiot

[rancid cove]

Id impregnate him tbh

[opaque coyote]

Like I think UM are boring but I actually like Guilliman.

[opaque coyote]

Bitch he's a Primarch. He's the one impregnating you

[solid horizon]

sanginus daemonculaba

[humble shoal]

Petelon thielmusk turn me into a servo skull

[opaque coyote]

(if they can)

[solid horizon]

no time to explain, hop in

[rancid cove]

Laati you don't understand how wild I am for that man.

[opaque coyote]

Because I can't help but both laugh and feel bad for him.

[fervent geode]

It’s canon GUOs can impregnate

[humble shoal]

He's got handles

[opaque coyote]

Because his situation is a unique kind of torture

He has to manage the Imperium

And he only does it because

[rancid cove]

What

[opaque coyote]

...who fucking else would?

The High Lords?

[solid horizon]

because he's a stupid moron

[opaque coyote]

Who else would try to improve it

[solid horizon]

dressed like a smurf

[fervent geode]

Orghotts Daemonspew

Look him up

GUOs can impregnate

Hear the good word

[rancid cove]

I dont think i wanna :(

[opaque coyote]

Guilliman says to himself after drinking another bottle of Space Wolf brand Amasec

[fervent geode]

No you don’t, but regardless you should

[opaque coyote]

But yeah, I think the best part of his character is the famous

"Why do I still live?" Rant

Specifically the paragraph after

That even though he is basically shouting "I should've fucking died."

[solid horizon]

because some really dumb aeldari thought it was a good idea

[opaque coyote]

He's still preparing himself to do it

[rancid cove]

If I was Guilliman and woke up to the state the Imperium is in 40j

[opaque coyote]

Mama didn't raise no bitch

[rancid cove]

40k*

i would've blown my head smoove off

Instantly

[opaque coyote]

Yeah even he during the Heresy basically contemplated

"I should just run the fuck away. Go live as a farmer"

[rancid cove]

I wouldve killed myself

Not even have a normal life

Just kill me

[opaque coyote]

He also considered that as well

Like genuinely

[fervent geode]

Could’ve sworn Morty misses scything grain in Barbaran Villages for a living

[opaque coyote]

It's why I can't help but like him

[rancid cove]

Yeah now he scythes people with a rusty ass scythe
Big improvement

[opaque coyote]

He's basically forced to do this because people have fucked it up beyond belief

[fervent geode]

It’s the same scythe lol

[opaque coyote]

As he also realizes that

The "dream" the Emperor had was fucked from the beginning

And that he was a tool

It isn't glamorous. Far from it

It's a fools errand and he's basically delaying the inevitable

But he didn't give up then

He isn't gonna do it now

Unlike Vulkan or literally every other loyalist. He isn't gonna run

[rancid cove]

I mean the only one who actually ran away was Russ, no?

The Khan went after some eldars inside the webway

Corvus is going after Lorgar

Dorn was last seen being breached by some csm i think?

[opaque coyote]

Corvus pissed off somewhere to go after Lorgar and became a crow Daemon

The Khan went after some Eldar in a journey he knew was gonna disappear

[rancid cove]

Lion was just in a coma

[opaque coyote]

He was already hesitant to fight for the Imperium and basically only chose loyalist because it's slightly better than

Mega satan

Vulkan fucked off too

[rancid cove]

Isnt Vulkan just regenerating till they find all the relics?

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's what is said supposedly but it doesn't usually take this long. He has 100% fucked iff

[limpid granite]

Is corvus still a loyalist?

[opaque coyote]

[opaque coyote]

...ehhh

I mean

...

He hasn't

Said he isn't

[limpid granite]

Obv hes a traitor for becoming a daemon

[rancid cove]

Yeah because the Khan was the only primarch with common sense
He hated Emps but he agreed to work for him cause he knew was best

[opaque coyote]

But he isn't exactly in a state to proclaim disloyalty or loyalty because he's basically lost his marbles

[rancid cove]

Primarchs are made from warp material, he just basically unlocked his full potential

He hasnt betrayed emps or imperium

He just found a power up basically

[limpid granite]

Looked rationally at the heresy and made his choice

[opaque coyote]

His allegiance is basically

"FUCK LORGAR"

[rancid cove]

"Hmmm... either my narcissistic father or 4 satans..."

[opaque coyote]

Tbf Corax is kind of a weird hypocrite ngl

The Khan never was

He was basically gonna go traitor if Horus hadn't done so

But for different reasons

[storm jungle]

khan and corax stay loyal because its in their contract

[opaque coyote]

"I fucking hate my job but Dad said I have at least 5 centuries left on my employment"

[limpid granite]

Id argue to call him a renegade then

[storm jungle]

Hes not a renegade

lol

[rancid cove]

Like all the other primarchs

[arctic talon]

Khan and Corax were both on emperors “I’m going to kill you later” list

lol

[storm jungle]

Hes loyalist until said otherwise

[rancid cove]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

theres like

[limpid granite]

Nah i know

[storm jungle]

no "gray area" in 40k due to tabletop

everyone has to pick a side

[rancid cove]

All he did was unlock his hidden potential for the fact all primarchs are made of warp stuff

[limpid granite]

But if he chose the side of chaos he would be more a renegade

[storm jungle]

See how the lore says Alpha Legion can be diverse but all of them are just chaos

[rancid cove]

So him turning daemon isnt him becoming traitor its just him going super saiyan mode

[limpid granite]

If super saiyan gave you bird legs

[opaque coyote]

Imagining him doing Goku's first super Saiyan power up sequence

But then he transforms into a regular sized crow

[limpid granite]

Caw caw

[rancid cove]

Kinda funny cause loyalist Alpha Legion still need to act like renegades cause Imperium would just kill them if they tried coming back

[limpid granite]

Vaporized by witch bolt

[storm jungle]

They are basically non-existent so

[rancid cove]

He is named Commom Raven, after all

[opaque coyote]

Also the few loyalist AL there are... Are made fun of for good reason

[storm jungle]

^

Solomon calls them out on their shit

they accomplish nothing and cope that they are doing anything meaningful

its one of my fav parts of the book

[opaque coyote]

"Trust me bro, we're doing this for the Emperor"

"Hey we got another one. Point and laugh!"

[storm jungle]

IN THE MIDDLE OF A COUNCIL MEETING

[rancid cove]

"My work here is done"

"But you didnt even do anything!"

[storm jungle]

🫡

even worse as fans who are like "no no the obviously chaos AL group were helping test the Imperium!"

entire planet is drowning in daemons

[rancid cove]

Pure copium

[opaque coyote]

Clearly those AL are actually sleeper agents doing a psyop

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

Let me cope as much as them

[fervent geode]

Also killing 10000 loyalists a week but they feel bad guys

[opaque coyote]

[rancid cove]

"No man... you don't understand! They're just playing along!!!"

Chaos Alpha Legions: I NEED MORE DAEMON ENGINES. 3 TRILLION SLAVES FOR THE DARK MECHANICUM NOW

[arctic talon]

DEATH TO THE FALSE EMPEROR

[opaque coyote]

But yeah the AL basically lost the plot and as such... are basically just doing their own thing

[limpid granite]

Yeah a traitor legion is not helping humanity no matter how much they cope

[rancid cove]

Like any other fucking chaos legion? Who would've guessed

[fervent geode]

FOR THE WARMASTER! TO TERRA!

[opaque coyote]

It's an excuse to do whatever you want with them as long as you add a sprinkle of "I am Alpharius, this sentence is false"

[fervent geode]

Yeah they are basically another dead legion like the NL

But even more dead since they don’t have any nostraman culture to flaunt

[rancid cove]

Lmfao

[fervent geode]

What the fuck did they inherit

[opaque coyote]

I mean even then, all of the Chaos Legions definitely have a solid goal of letting the galaxy burn.

[fervent geode]

Turquoise colour scheme I guess

[opaque coyote]

Snake

Awesome aesthetic

[fervent geode]

Oh yeah

True

[opaque coyote]

Listen that drip makes it all worth the mindfucks

[rancid cove]

So what youre telling me is Alpha Legionnaires are more homeless than NL?

Great

[fervent geode]

They used to mindfuck the imperium now they mindfuck themselves

[fervent geode]

Not all because unlike NL they are scumbags who can occasionally work together

[opaque coyote]

If it wasn't for me being neutral about their entire gimmicks, I think AL would totally be my favorite

[fervent geode]

But they are generally being fucked by the Imperium and the universe at large

[opaque coyote]

Tbf they aren't homeless since they usually join bigger groups

Unlike the NL where nobody wants them

[rancid cove]

I feel less bad for the fact my homebrew warband has like only 40 original Night Lords remaining and 3 who were Nostraman born are dreadnoughts

[fervent geode]

Not even other NL lol

[fervent geode]

lol the only reason a NL warband isn’t dying because it’s not functioning like NL is kinda based lol

[rancid cove]

Literally why they're still fucking alive

Since they stopped acting like usual Night Lords they flourished

[fervent geode]

[opaque coyote]

Basically

In a Black Legion job interview, AL would be first due to them having more employable skills

Like actually being good at hiding

[fervent geode]

And probably more reliable too

Less of a shithead reputation

[opaque coyote]

You just gotta ignore their coping

[rancid cove]

They still keep the night lord paint scheme for the most "veteran"/experienced of the bunch because it looks cool but uh, they don't really act like Night Lords anymore

[opaque coyote]

If they're "loyalist"

Or their confusing tricks

[rancid cove]

And the ones who are the minority of the band

[fervent geode]

Very ignorable

EC say the same bullshit

[fervent geode]

That’s fair

[opaque coyote]

Also I definitely think AL are under Tzeentch

Since it's the most Tzeentch thing to have a Legion that doesn't even know that they're under their thumb

[fervent geode]

Tbh atp maybe

But most of them aren’t even like the Redacted nor the Penitent lol

[opaque coyote]

Especially since the AL fit even more for Tzeentch than Thousand Sons because they're all about planning, subterfuge, and being as horrifically confusing as possible

[fervent geode]

Just normal warbands that do as they please

[opaque coyote]

Like Tzeentch even self sabotages himself to keep the game going

[rancid cove]

Paint scheme and their usual aesthetic is like the only things they kept from their origin
Warband members still have a variety of armor and looks but the tradition of the dragon wings, skull helmets and human skin made as cloth is very popular among the members

[opaque coyote]

Which is also funny because I can just imagine like

"GOD DAMMIT ME! WHY ARE YOU RUINING MY PLANS!'

",RUINING MY PLANS? YOU'RE RUINING THE GAME ME!"

"I HATE MYSELF!'

"I HATE MYSELF TOO!"

"GAH!"

"CAN'T STAND LIVING WITH MYSELF!!"

[rancid cove]

Tzeentch got the bad end of his bargain by making Thousand Sons his main legion

Just like Khorne having to keep World Eaters instead of Blood Angels

[fervent geode]

Cultural Osmosis in the 42nd Millennium

[solid horizon]

I wouldn't dare say no to such an offer milord

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I like to think that every Chaos God basically got the consolation prize.

Like tbf they don't really care that much.

But it's funny to imagine Slaanesh whining about how they got the "fake pretty boys" instead of the Blood Angels.

And then Khorne yells how he wanted them also

[rancid cove]

[opaque coyote]

And then they get into a fight

[rancid cove]

I'm pretty sure Nurgle and Slaneesh got what they expected? Khorne def wanted BA but had to settle for WE

[opaque coyote]

Because honestly BA could go either Khorne or Slaanesh

[cerulean trellis]

how could blood angels go slaanesh?

[opaque coyote]

I can imagine Slaanesh just wanted them all

God of excess.

[rancid cove]

Nah BA were always the most likely to fall for Khorne

[cerulean trellis]

tehy have literall nothign goign that woudl drive them there

[rancid cove]

They were blood drinking barbarians

Who only settled down a little after Sanguinius showed up

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but they're also pretty angelic vampiric blood drinking barbarians

[rancid cove]

But they always had the urge for human meat and they were always prone to violence

[opaque coyote]

Sanguinius also had high standards as well

[rancid cove]

They were more brutal than WE

Just hid it better

[opaque coyote]

To the point where he kept his planet shitty to preserve it

[cerulean trellis]

high standards =/= slaanesh

[opaque coyote]

Basically I definitely agree that they would fall to Khorne first.

But that if Slaanesh locked in. They would also get BA

[rancid cove]

Yeah them being beautiful doesnt mean slaneesh when they are human eating brutal warriors who were always prone to brutal violence

[opaque coyote]

Also you've seen twilight

You know Slaanesh would be a twilight fan

And one of the 2000's esque really annoying ones also

[rancid cove]

Fulgrim is way more relatable to Edward than Sangy

[opaque coyote]

...

[cerulean trellis]

like the only thing that BA had that slaanesh would be interested in is that sanguinius is pretty

[opaque coyote]

Fuck you're right

[rancid cove]

Yeah like the average blood angel marine isnt as beautiful as sangy

[cerulean trellis]

and some of his sons are too

i mean wasn't that part why dante is so revered because he kidna looked liek sangy a bit?

[rancid cove]

And if they had any resemblance to sangy they would eventually lose the features because of scars and battle augmentics

[opaque coyote]

They are generally noted as being much better looking than the average marine and even regular humans though

Unless if they're like Dante

Who, out of all of the loyalists, probably needs therapy the most

[rancid cove]

Its something about gene seed altering the faces of some warriors to look like their primarch

[opaque coyote]

Bro is more suicidial than Angron

[rancid cove]

Like how Little Horus was called little Horus in the first place

[cerulean trellis]

dude lived for over a thousand years

[rancid cove]

But it doesnt happen to all warriors

[cerulean trellis]

in warhammer

i'd be suicidal AF too if that was me

specially if i had to constantly figth the red hunger and the black rage

[rancid cove]

Yeah but EC are way more beautiful looking assholes than BA because the BA dont try to keep their facial features looking pristine

The EC did

[opaque coyote]

Yeah, I think the most interesting part is the severe cognitive Dissonance he has.

Like he has actually overcome his brainwashing to the point where he doesn't actually hate Xenos.

He knows that they basically did nothing wrong in comparison

[cerulean trellis]

aaaand then ther is lucian xD

[rancid cove]

Thats what stimulant abuse does to you

The entirety of EC lost their shine after the Heresy

[opaque coyote]

But he still does it because

A) He would be considered a traitor and suffer a fate worse than death if he acted

B) Cost sunk fallacy. He's been doing it for hundreds of years. Kinda hard to stop for good reason

[rancid cove]

Because well

Chaos

[cerulean trellis]

true true

lucian is still kidna funny to me, said to be one of the most elite fighters in the EC, has a history of loosing a fuckton

[opaque coyote]

I find it interesting that he is so tired and he has lived for so long that his ingrained brainwashing has basically faded

He's just going through the motions now

Entirely disillusioned but still fighting because he knows he doesn't really deserve a better option

And even if he tried, he would likely fail

He just wants to die

To escape

To rest

[cerulean trellis]

yet dante is the regent of imperium nihilus

[rancid cove]

He doesnt care to try enough anymore because well
He cannot die

Therefore even if he loses he wins

[opaque coyote]

He can never improve

[cerulean trellis]

fair xD

[opaque coyote]

He can never have a rival

[rancid cove]

Also

[opaque coyote]

Because he always takes over his rival

He will always be "perfect"

Even when he isn't

[rancid cove]

Bile stated that all of Lucius nerves are fried from all the chemical abuse he put his body trough

[opaque coyote]

But perfection is just another trap.

[rancid cove]

The amount of stimulants he used fried his motor sensors

He felt barely anything anymore

[opaque coyote]

Dark Eldar trying to torture him and Lucius is just like

"It's okay."

[rancid cove]

Yeah because he didnt have any pain receptors anymore lmao

He put his body in such fucking rigorous abuse it broke him completely

Plus im pretty sure he cant take off his armor

[opaque coyote]

Bro can't even do drugs anymore

The drugs just don't fucking work

It's joever

Either that or he needs some REALLY powerful stuff

[opaque coyote]

Actually does possessing a body reset the nerves?

[rancid cove]

Bile had to make his own drug that was powerful enough to give him an edge

Lmao

[opaque coyote]

How does that exactly work

Like everytime he gets killed, does the body just slowly grow into what he was

Or does just suddenly pop in

[rancid cove]

I think Slaneesh makes his rebirth happen at his latest form so he never goes back to his prime

[opaque coyote]

Immense amounts of tomfoolery

[hallow saddle]

lucius mentioned

[opaque coyote]

Slaanesh and Tzeentch I feel like would team up the most

Because they both love fucking with people

And playing cruel jokes on them

Tbf all the Chaos Gods do but those two especially

[hallow saddle]

i feel like slaanesh would think a lot of what tzeentch does is tedious

[rancid cove]

Yeah

Not enough pain

[hallow saddle]

and tzeench would think slaanesh's stuff shallow

[rancid cove]

Not enough frustration

[opaque coyote]

The equivalent of a girl wanting sex while Tzeentch is like

[hallow saddle]

begone thot im playing 5d chess

[opaque coyote]

"Hold on babe, I'm talking about the lore of Sonic the Hedgehog Archie Comics"

[rancid cove]

Also

[opaque coyote]

But I feel like they would hate each other the least

[hallow saddle]

the original realm of chaos books do actually go into a bit of how the gods see each other

[opaque coyote]

They're just competition because they exist rather than any real beef tbh

[rancid cove]

Lucius's immortality is also a punishment for the fact he can never get a lickback
And the face of the person whom killed him is put on his armor as a reminder of those who defeated him

[solid horizon]

what would tzeench and slaneesh think of chris chan

[opaque coyote]

Both would laugh

[rancid cove]

He literally is being laughed at by Slaneesh

[opaque coyote]

Slaanesh in particular would clap

"WONDERFUL! WONDERFUL!"

[rancid cove]

So he cant even get better because those who bested him got killed off

[opaque coyote]

He is the perfect swordsman now

[solid horizon]

im gonna paint a horus heresy skitarii without a thin brush

[opaque coyote]

Anybody that has higher skill?

No they don't

[solid horizon]

wish me luck for im gonna die

[opaque coyote]

He is perfect

But perfection means there's nothing more to strive for

No more mountains to conquer

No more struggle to go through

Nothing

The peak is quite lonely

And he is always forced to be at the peak

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I think if the Emperor somehow came over to fight him with his big ass "permanent chaos killing" sword in 40k or anybody else with such a thing

He would totally accept losing

Finally he would be at peace because he will be bested

He will finally lose

For good

As his soul burns away into nothing

His last words would just be a tired

"finally..."

[wintry scarab]

Is the imperium opposed to other languages, or is it just preferable to speak the gothics?

[outer wave]

I think Gothic is basically the common language of Imperium, but there could be other languages involved?

[rocky gale]

It's basically just English, a lot of the planets have their own local languages as well

[wintry scarab]

Yeah i know. Im just curious if the imperium actually disapproves of it and if its just tolerated because its such a low priority.

[rocky gale]

They're fine with it so long as they can also speak Gothic

Makes coordinating things easier if the Regiments can communicate with eachother in Gothic rather than 15 different languages

Austro Hungarian Empire moment

[rancid cove]

"Speak your dumbass language if you want but at least know the most basic of gothic"

[rancid cove]

Either that or "GOD FUCKING DAMNIIIT"

[opaque coyote]

They aren't as long as you learn Gothic

You can teach the native language alongside it

Basically

The Imperium isn't that strict in terms of cultural matters

There's three guidelines

1. Worship Emperor

2. Abhor the Mutant, Xeno, and Heretic

3. Pay taxes

The third one honestly is why most planets in the Imperium are a shithole

[rancid cove]

4. know gothic
5. Be good/food fodder

[opaque coyote]

Tithes take up so much resources that cruelty is almost a necessity to be able to pay it off

Because sure, keeping workers happy is good for long term sustainability

But you need those materials shipped now

And whipping said workers while giving them 20 hour shifts is how you can actually pay them off without the Arbites blowing your head off

[arctic talon]

Speaking gothic is optional

[opaque coyote]

This is the true cruelty of the Imperium

[arctic talon]

Look at feral worlds lol

[opaque coyote]

The Tithe

Technically you could make a "good" planet to live on

But the Tithe prevents that

It will never last

The Imperium eats resources like Nikocado Avocado during his Mukbang

And they're still hungry

[opaque coyote]

The average Imperial citizen

(it's so fucking over)

The average Tau citizen would be the same but the factory is much nicer and there's actual lunch breaks

Because Grimdark™

[winter pine]

Imperial Guard PoWs when they learn they'll get three hots and a cot in a Tau holding camp (it's the best day ever)

[rancid cove]

IoM also has short pauses for lunch and sleep but its like 10 minutes

Theres a book where a Blood Angel captain congratulated the gunnery deck crew for their amazing reload speed by giving them 1 more hour of rest

[rancid cove]

"No, mom, I'm not autistic, I'm an Iron Warrior."

[solid horizon]

too real

[vagrant fox]

What in tarnation is that on their head

[solid horizon]

sanest world eater

[raven stone]

I mean, in all honesty, unless Guilliman changed shit up the Worlds of Ultramar should still be paying tithes.

And those are kind of evident that most of the non-Ultramar Imperial Nobles only really give enough thought to meeting the quota, instead of meeting the quota in a healthy social manner

[heady rivet]

https://x.com/i/status/2036488209287491656

Tony (@0xRacist)

I always have my vpn set to israel when I book flights and hotels

Lufthansa just gave me a free business class upgrade because they're sorry about the holocaust

X · Mar 24, 2026, 4:59 PM

[raven stone]

The cruelty of Imperial bureaucracy is partially enforced by the tithes, and partially a result of governors not giving a shit beyond just meeting the quotas

[raven stone]

Yea this is not only scummy but by associating with Israel there WILL be trouble brewing down the line.

[tough haven]

Is this Penitence animation I keep hearing about any good?

I keep hearing its got orks in it

[raven stone]

If it is the Sisters one, people are probably excited to see Sisters which is completely fair

[tough haven]

It is

but like, is it good?

I just like orks

[arctic talon]

It’s pretty good

[daring creek]

This feels illegal

[heady rivet]

Thats antisemitic

[raven stone]

If you mean pretending to be an Israeli by VPN is anti-Semitic… (just to make sure you are getting the right context)

[midnight dragon]

Would a pipboy be useful in 40k?

[midnight dragon]

Is iron warriors that hated lmao

[rancid cove]

Its not that theyre hated

They are too hateful, too bitter, too cold and most detached from others

A hated legion would be the Night Lords, now one who hates the others are the Iron Warriors

[storm jungle]

A pipboy is literally an advanced wristpad

you can just have something similiar in 40k lol

[gleaming gale]

Curze fangirls would have you flayed alive over this

[rancid cove]

I'm pretty sure they're kind of in 40k already as primaris armor has some buttons on their arms they can use and edit shit on their armor (even tho they could already do that with their brains due to their link to the power armor, but its just an external option in case internal one fails)

Some even have little screens on it

[rancid cove]

They would've flayed me if I didn't say anything

[storm jungle]

Not really talking about primaris armor, its just a advanced wristpad.

i.e anyone with enough wealth or resources can have it

[rancid cove]

I mean I can imagine other factions having something similar other than the space marines tbh

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[gleaming gale]

Scions have them too

[rancid cove]

But it was the first example I had in my head

[storm jungle]

marine brainrot

shoo

[rancid cove]

It was cause i learned what it was recently

[storm jungle]

brainrot is still brainrot

[rancid cove]

67 or whatever

[rancid cove]

Idk if im being schizophrenic but i remember something similar to that mentioned in a 40k book just cant remember which one was

[gleaming gale]

Final Deployment?

[rancid cove]

It might be i legit just cannot remember

[storm jungle]

Its literally on their miniatures

i dont think you need to remember anything else lol

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Slate_Monitron

[heady rivet]

Palanite Enforcers have em

[gleaming gale]

You will not make me buy 15 boxes of enforcers

begone

[full obsidian]

Idk what those are but they look like mini space marines

[gleaming gale]

Local planetary law enforcement on Necromunda

[heady rivet]

Space Cops

[heady rivet]

Just 10 then

[gleaming gale]

Well, technically space cops everywhere in the Imperium because every depiction uses the palanite armour except the Imperium Maledictum rulebook

[midnight dragon]

Why do the thousand suns fight so rigidly and stiffly in space marine 2, thats not how they ACTUALLY fight in lore right?

[heady rivet]

I choose to believe its a case of Cadian-effect where they just export so much gear

[gleaming gale]

and then again it's just a slightly modified version

So yeah, standard issue mall cop gear

[cinder pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/628097885749116939/1486082596340502598/Continuingmyarduousrepostmarchforourdearleader_33e9a3_11954439.png?ex=69c435c5&is=69c2e445&hm=28ba34d166f91f7a66d028417bb91223ff63c22f40db181bdba636b31ff27dc5

[nocturne crest]

What's this?

[gleaming gale]

Enforcer from the Imperium Maledictum RPG rulebook

[heady rivet]

Necromunda-pattern

[nocturne crest]

Ah

The fact you can see the eyes make it's creepy.

[gleaming gale]

Yeah, they're specifically called Macharian Vigilites and are a sector-wide police force rather than local to a planet

basically budget Arbites

[cerulean trellis]

this

lookin forward to the admech books :3

[nocturne crest]

So like State rangers then?

[storm jungle]

Because they are literally automatons with no human inside them, they fight that way in lore as well, you are kinda forgetting they can easily fuck anyone up when you arent the protagonist (unless you missed the parry yeet)

[nocturne crest]

There's police, state police/rangers then FBI/CIA?

[midnight dragon]

The gunman sure as hell fight like the automaton infantry

[storm jungle]

Those are rubrics

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rubric_Marine

[gleaming gale]

I think the vigilites take over all enforcer duties in the Macharian sector, so it's them to hold the sector law and then there's the arbites who uphold the imperial law

[nocturne crest]

Ah. All I'm thinking is that South Park Meme now.

[crystal forum]

they're not fully alive intelligent space marines. they're literally sand trapped in armour

[nocturne crest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=risVoGLlru0

[crystal forum]

i dont know what those are but arbites have more authority than any enforcers technically since they operate directly for the imperium as opposed to local level stuff

[storm jungle]

They are Enforcers.

also its not "technically", they simply do have the authority.

[gleaming gale]

Yeah, they're 'fancier' enforcers with a wider range of operation

[raven stone]

As a general rule of thumb..
US police/sheriffs = Enforcers
FBI + IRS = Adeptus Arbites
CIA + Spanish Inquisition = 40k Inquisition

[crystal forum]

i meant that in practice ofc it depends on who has the bigger guns

[storm jungle]

Not really no

the moment you fuck with Arbites you bring down their entire force on them

[nocturne crest]

So the Custodes are the Emperor's secret service.

[storm jungle]

Planetary governments cannot deny Arbites in any way

[raven stone]

More bodyguards

[storm jungle]

they are bureucratically untouchable

[crystal forum]

based

[gleaming gale]

The Arbites can remove the planetary governments

[crystal forum]

we love our space FBI

more like space IRS

[storm jungle]

Also let entire civil wars happen as long as the tithe keeps flowing once the new planetary ruler is deemed apt enough lol

[raven stone]

https://tenor.com/view/traffic-fbi-open-up-raid-gif-13450966

[storm jungle]

their Killteam booklet lore is peak af

[crystal forum]

ayo we heard you don't like paying taxes

[nocturne crest]

Huh. TIL the US Secret Service has a flag.

[storm jungle]

gay as hell

[vagrant fox]

pinoy pride

[crystal forum]

the american SS

[gleaming gale]

IIRC individual Arbites MAY take a case below their station only because they are bored as fuck in the precinct fortress, but they're on their own

[raven stone]

To continue the US analogies…
National Guard = Planetary Defence Forces (rarely sent out beyond domestic areas unless absolutely demanded)
US Army = Imperial Guard (in general)
Delta Force = Tempestus Scions

[storm jungle]

yeah this happens in that one crime book, they treat the arbites appearance like they're a space marine, its fucking great.

its a very good "oh shit" moment because the entire book has you following the enforcer protagonist trying to solve a case lol

[viral halo]

Dilaraaaaaa

I need a book rec

hit me

[storm jungle]

Go back to being in AmeriKKKa

[viral halo]

I love my country new jersey wallahi

[gleaming gale]

Flesh and Steel innit?

[nocturne crest]

Not going to lie, but this just reminds me of the Philippines' flag.

[storm jungle]

Nah was another one i think

Flesh and Steel is the enforcer + admech girl teamup

[viral halo]

Are the tank books good like shadowsword baneblade etc

I need something INTENSE

[crystal forum]

the great nation state of neo jerstan

[storm jungle]

Harrowmaster + Ghost Legion

Be sure to read Harrow first, both are peak books.

[gleaming gale]

I remember an arbitrator fucking around the bastion with the castellan, but that was about it, he never shows up again

[storm jungle]

yeah thats another thing

[viral halo]

hmmm alpha legion

methinks I will

[gleaming gale]

Oh it might be Grim Repast then

Didn't finish it yet

[nocturne crest]

Are chaos enforcers/arbites a thing?

[crystal forum]

yes

chaos enforcers yes

[heady rivet]

I still need to repair my own library of books since a PC wipe a while back

[crystal forum]

there's one in a killteam

[heady rivet]

I lost...everything

[raven stone]

Chaos can corrupt anyone (short of Grey Knights/Custodes/Sisters of Silence and maybe Sisters of Battle if you do not count one individual)

It’s just that outside of Imperial structure

Their rank means nothing

[heady rivet]

Novels arent too bad but some rulebooks arent easy

[gleaming gale]

Some sisters fall to Chaos in one of the Cain books iirc

[storm jungle]

Not really because once an enforcer or arbites becomes corrupted they're just some psychopath, their job is meaningless

[raven stone]

Oh right the Slaanesh Hitler one IIRC

[nocturne crest]

Damn, so none chaos cops enforcing Khorne's law.

[storm jungle]

Not really

you can just assign that to some fuckwad

[heady rivet]

Arbites would be they make sure the evil tithe is paid to the evil IRS

||Then they fall to Chaos.||

[crystal forum]

chaos enforcers keep the rabble in line

[storm jungle]

just give them a whip or a baton

[gleaming gale]

There's still some level of society on heretic worlds, but it's more of a might makes right rule of law

[storm jungle]

^

again they'd just give that job to some stronger cultists

and give them some edgy ass name

Enforcers are literally just ICE, nothing really maks them special

[raven stone]

Put it this way: the individual can be an Enforcer/Arbites before they fell to Khorne, but after following Khorne, they will not operate like their previous occupation at all.

[storm jungle]

That yeah

[heady rivet]

Imperium economy

[gleaming gale]

The Lord General Militant demands another 200 billion Thrones for the Persic Crusade

[rocky gale]

I'll read it when the girl gets her own novel

😤

[raven stone]

…
Imagine loyalists being absolutely befuddled because a woman is shouting “I AM ALPHARIUS” and the AL just rocks with it and stomps the Imperials

[vagrant fox]

Baneblade was alright

[gleaming gale]

Steel Tread and Demolisher are amazing

[rocky gale]

Like no clue who she is, but she's mogging

[vagrant fox]

Acceptable quality

[storm jungle]

Shes a great character, peak Iarmoth-energy

[viral halo]

I enjoyed steel tread

[vagrant fox]

workshop that into a lesbian with vagina iconography

joke

[storm jungle]

shes the chaos lord's personal human psyker

is in Book 1 as well

[raven stone]

Imagine if GW releases them as a command squad for Chaos

[gleaming gale]

Imagine Dragons

[viral halo]

Imagine having regular bowel movements

[soft thunder]

signature 40k half shaved long hair look

[gleaming gale]

Darktide hair options

[soft thunder]

fashion

a dreads option for that would be cool

[cerulean trellis]

issit the same enforcer though?

[gleaming gale]

Nah, every novel features a different probator

But they're all in the same city

[storm jungle]

Another guy

[cerulean trellis]

sadge

[rocky gale]

I used to have that hair for a while

[vagrant fox]

Are we slandering Symeon Noctis

I would like to

[gleaming gale]

You mean Symeon DYMAXXION?

[rocky gale]

My friends mocked it and called me Skrillex

[soft thunder]

there is an arbites seen in passing in Flesh and Steel, and the enforcers are like "oh shit big-dick arbites are here"

[vagrant fox]

It is kind of a skrillex haircut

[storm jungle]

absolute cinema

[vagrant fox]

We'll have more crime soon, this was promised to me 30 years ago

[gleaming gale]

Flesh and Steel sequel when

also Bloodlines, I really want to know if Zidarov's ||cult is a red herring or genestealers||

[vagrant fox]

ruh roh

Weird election results for today

[raven stone]

What happened

[vagrant fox]

It occurs to me I can't really remember Grim Repast much, I should go through it again

[vagrant fox]

The racist strict immigration party went from 5 to 16 seats

soc-dems are surprised when they went down 12 seats after backstabbing their core policies for the last 100 years

also lost a 100 year old mayoral post

[gleaming gale]

Someone unironically posting a 'got what I voted for' out there

But yeah, soc-dems really keep showing they are incompetent most of the time, in most of the countries

[opaque coyote]

Ultramar isn't that pleasant though

Like it still sucks

just is better than average

It's just instead of an oppressive 20 hour work week, it's probably 16 so that people could get some sleep

because Guilliman calculated that people need that

Actually, on a side note, is there any like scifi bullshit that allows like "faster" sleep in the Imperium

[raven stone]

Fair as that is, the point being it is entirely possible to suck less, just that average governor doesn’t even bother trying and hogs everything themselves.

[opaque coyote]

Like lower times to get the benefits

[opaque coyote]

True

The Imperium still has a guaranteed level of suckiness

And then the governors do the rest

[raven stone]

Yup

[opaque coyote]

Also because I kinda imagine that it's easier to be cruel

Y'know uhh Frostpunk?

I kinda imagine it's like that, where the game has the cruel option basiclaly be easier

[vagrant fox]

They've been reasonably competent until the current prime minister here, too bad that's over with

[opaque coyote]

and it takes way too much effort to be kind

[near wasp]

Rim world taught me that being an asshole is good

[opaque coyote]

Overall, game where you play as a planet governor when

I need it GW

I NEED it

[raven stone]

I would also like to argue you can write a governor who does, or wants, to care, but if you are writing that, you have to fight against…
(1) Other nobles scheming to take your place.
(2) Cultists taking advantage of your kindness.
(3) Meeting the Tithe quota.
(4) The Ecclesiarchy being unhappy at you asking them to reduce religious donations

[vagrant fox]

The Imperium is pretty self-sabotaging, the tithes are opressive enough that leaves little for improving life for the average schlub iirc

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it's much easier to just say "fuck it, if everything wants me to be bad, might as well enrich myself!"

[vagrant fox]

Well if the governor wants to stay on the nice throne anyways

[opaque coyote]

Because that's why people do bad things

Because it's easier

[raven stone]

Again Ultramr shows it IS possible for things to suck less, just the average Governor doesn’t even try.

[near wasp]

It also doesn't help that literally everybody skims off the top of tithes

[opaque coyote]

Guardsman gets executed not because he skimmed off the top

But because he didn't do it enough

[raven stone]

Or took too much

[opaque coyote]

And now the Commissar has a small share

[raven stone]

Skimming is an art

[near wasp]

The imperium is so corrupt

[raven stone]

An art of trade balances

[raven stone]

This too is self enforced - nobility rivalry means even if a governor is willing to cut back on their own luxuries, their noble rivals will see them as weak.

[vagrant fox]

It's also the homeworld of a primarch who wanted to make it better and a first founding chapter
Random-hive nowhericus lead by average people who're taught the masses need nothing and have to pay xxl tithes have little incentive while wanting to build their wealth
They could, they won't

[opaque coyote]

Guilliman basically is like one of the two primarchs that actually cared about Empire building also

And the other is fucking Lorgar

[raven stone]

TBF rare reformers on non-marine worlds have existed in canon, but they are usually just outdone by the average greedy nobles. Or end up exiled as Rogue Traders.

[near wasp]

Also gman told the blood angels to let the citizens of baal live better lives because what's the difference between selling your soul and not when you suffer so much

[opaque coyote]

Honestly being a Rogue Trader would be better lma

You can literally have Xenos companions as long as you hide them in the ship when the Inquistor comes around

[vagrant fox]

A handful surely, it's a big empire

[raven stone]

Yea, I keep reminding people: the only two types of Imperials who could potentially have a mentality remotely resembling that from our era, would be a Rogue Trader, or a Radical Inquisitor. Imperial Govenrors at a stretch if their world is not too critically observed or strategic.

[raven stone]

Indeed!

[vagrant fox]

Symeon is kind of a 'nice' noble, speaking of Warhammer Crime

[near wasp]

That name gave me PTSD because that's also a vtm character

[raven stone]

Unless it is a Radical Inquisitor who doesn’t bat an eyelid lol

I do think some Radical Inquisitors will end up trying to at least be amicable to Rogue Traders

So they can flee to the rims of the Imperium and off radar if need be

[lament shoal]

Heinrix clearly doesn’t like the two eldar companions but doesn’t try to stop you from recruiting them. He’s more puritan coded too

[raven stone]

Though he is an Interrogator, but yea, also a good example.

[vagrant fox]

Also a guest on a Rogue Traders ship

[gleaming gale]

I really liked that the book didn't try to glaze Symeon as a goody two shoes one-of-a-kind noble, he's still an entitled dickhead

[raven stone]

Inquisitors are also aware that, when aboard a Rogue Trader’s ship, the ship master/ship mistress usually has the final say unless you have some really powerful hold over the RT (as implied with Grendel over Brahms)

Because without that hold, well

The RT can toss you out of an airlock.

[vagrant fox]

It's a good novel, I have a like-dislike opinion of him. I find it funny that a noble chooses a position where he still has power over people

[gleaming gale]

I think it's very much stated in the book as well, by his father iirc

[young pecan]

How are my favorite flavor of dorks doing today

[gleaming gale]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-crab-happy-emu-otori-cute-gif-8667773226582419378

[near wasp]

"oh yeah that inquistor he died in a explosion, sucked out into the void before the blast shields could come down, sucked through a hole the size of a dime"

[gleaming gale]

Meanwhile in Bloodlines Zidarov is uncomfortably realistic in how fucking boring and mundane his life is lol

[raven stone]

Talking about Imperial society, it also sucks that if power is inverted, the lower people also don’t do better.
I still remember that one bit from the Rogue Trader Arbites DLC on a Feudal World.
A noble went into some weird mask festival to find their servant to spare them from participating in some sus festival pretending to be other people.
So I played through, found the imposter servant, and gave her the weird branding tool (basically a cattle branding tool that marks an impostor to be severely punished in some way)
…
She immediately applied it onto her own noble master.

Admittedly I don’t have context beyond that immediate interaction

But if the noble cared enough to search for their servant to stop them from participating in the weird festival

I would like to think their relationship is normally amicable despite the power difference.

[cerulean trellis]

sounds suspicious... where do i know thta from... oh yeah, real life xD

[vagrant fox]

It's just what happens in the cruellest and most bloody regime, I reckon humans are just fundamentally broken in the setting

[storm jungle]

^

[raven stone]

Now I am morbidly intrigued…do elaborate.

[storm jungle]

Oppressed being the oppressors is a theme in some places but its a loaded topic

[cerulean trellis]

wacth any revolution

literaly any revolution

they do better for maybe a decade if they really good

then they do the same shit their former masters did

[storm jungle]

Five. Hundred. Decapitations.

[midnight dragon]

Playing space marine 1 after Playing space marine 2 feels like going back pizzabites after eating an entire pie made by dominoes

[raven stone]

Ah ok yes true, thought you were referring to something specific to that

[vagrant fox]

Grimdark setting and all that, it's bad always with little glimmers of something nice for a bit

[gleaming gale]

I really liked Bloodlines for that part

Especially with Zidarov's family

[raven stone]

Yea I mean there HAS to be glimmers of nice exceptions for people to want to care at least a little bit

Otherwise 40k stops being a viable product lorewise 😅

[vagrant fox]

For me personally, I don't mind its absence

[raven stone]

Brave and respectable opinion.
I carve out glimmers of nice, is why Recongrugator Inqusitors and Rogue Traders fascinate me

Like yes you can’t change the entire system, but if you can make one ship/planet ruled a bit better

It’s a small enough win to celebrate.

[vagrant fox]

I went through SOMA again recently knowing everything about it and just trudging through the whole thing with no hope for the future but doing something because there's really nothing else to do I really like

[gleaming gale]

Until your colonial empire gets developed enough and the Administratum takes over lol

[raven stone]

True, but in self created headcanon regions that never happens XD

[vagrant fox]

Although to be fair, I am trying to make a semi-nice human-alien realm in my homebrew region. Sometimes it's nice

[raven stone]

It’s always “on the frontier under some Rogue Trader’s temporary rule”

[gleaming gale]

Yeah it's a matter of centuries until a Rogue Trader's realm gets absorbed into the Imperium proper

[vagrant fox]

Man, what even is Alien: Earth. First three episodes were pretty good but I'm iffy about the rest

[storm jungle]

Its really bad

i couldnt made it past EP3

and im like a REALLY accepting person in most media

[vagrant fox]

It started falling off in the latter half of the 3rd episode and now I'm at the second last episode and I'm just a little puzzled

Kind of a Steve Lyons vibe, pretty good bits in a sea of whatever

[storm jungle]

More or less yeah

[vagrant fox]

Oh well. On to the next slop tomorrow
I kind of want a 40k story as depressive as SOMA, I haven't felt that from 40k in quite a few years now

[gleaming gale]

I am really curious what Abnett's two hive novels are about

[raven stone]

Same TBH
Hive worlds are one of two very distinctly 40k planet types
(The other being Feudal World)
GW should make the most of those unique (even by sci fi standards) settings

[storm jungle]

Im gonna assume (and betting 5 bucks on this)

Completely unrelated original story
Places some random ass Bequinhorn reference right on the ending or epilogue

[raven stone]

I mean, I wouldn’t mind the reference if it is truly original for 99% of the plot

[vagrant fox]

I just hope it's entertaining and with with less of the annoying abnettisms

[storm jungle]

Lol lmao

monkey paw curls

[raven stone]

Give us more details on how Hives actual function

[gleaming gale]

Every servitor makes wet leopard growls

[raven stone]

Lol

[storm jungle]

Hes gonna ramble about how the great spires of the hive strike to the sky like the ancient halcyon heroes of ancient greece as their prongs dive to the clouds like the ancient oceans of old terra where great leviathans of the deep void lie or some shit

ABSOLUTE yap

[raven stone]

Would get Munda books for lore but might break bank 😭

[gleaming gale]

Main character is a fucking sump dreg that has no idea what any of that means

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/mao-zedong-hello-chat-mao-gif-22461031

[storm jungle]

the horde has been triggered

[heady rivet]

Novels or

[raven stone]

I think main POv char is a newly appointed govenor actually

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/resident-evil4-your-right-hand-comes-off-right-hand-leon-leon-s-kennedy-gif-21862101

[raven stone]

Munda rule books (because GW being GW they throw in lore stuff in those too)

[storm jungle]

just get PDFs

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-no-country-for-old-men-ok-oops-javier-bardem-gif-10579690

[storm jungle]

you can find most of them from a google search lol

[heady rivet]

Paid for ofc

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah totally

[raven stone]

Ah yes k thx

Lol

[heady rivet]

We'd never

That being said

[gleaming gale]

[vagrant fox]

Fmhy net cough cough

[heady rivet]

I got some resources if you struggle to purchase them

[vagrant fox]

'Scuse me it's the phlegm

[gleaming gale]

"I can mark your auspex for a cache of tech-remnants to recover"

[heady rivet]

I've mostly repaired my library since my PC wipe

[gleaming gale]

I can assist with the blessings of the Omnissiah in restoring the archivum

Trust

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-what-horse-what-wtf-gif-302004050471949956

[vagrant fox]

Hwen the hell is Carnage Unending being released, I want my marineslop

[storm jungle]

@midnight dragon Yes.

Jedi are literally just psychic wizards with laser swords