40k-lore-chat

[queen laurel]

nah you guys don't think outside the box it's both of them

[storm jungle]

• They do tell you that, half the intro of phantom liberty is telling the player V that Hansen is an evil warlord
• They dont treat you like a child, you see how he runs Dogtown and are shown outright the brutality of his militia-gang the Barghest the moment you enter it
• We need to be shown evil to know hes an evil dipshit that needs to go down. It doesnt matter if "theres enough evil in the world", you are living in a fictional one and have the power to take one down and be a good person about it.
• Violence against women has nothing to do with this and is just reaching

[queen laurel]

It's gorkamorka

[brave owl]

Not talking about the Gods. I mean like Bad Moons or Black Suns ect

[paper haven]

Oh ok

[brave owl]

whatever they are called

[paper haven]

Nevermind

[queen laurel]

You mean the evil sunz?

[storm jungle]

Klanz

sometimes without the "K"

[brave owl]

yeah probably

[storm jungle]

for uh reasons

https://klipy.com/gifs/peacemaker-running

[scenic trout]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-rigby-cat-rigby-the-cat-funny-silly-gif-2463265493534872578

[paper haven]

I like the ones with pirate hats

[daring creek]

has the subject moved on to cyberpunk

[storm jungle]

Nah lol

[limpid granite]

Freebota orkz

[scenic trout]

the last paragraph got my braincells itchy

[paper haven]

Never moved on

[daring creek]

lol

[paper haven]

Always was cyberpunk

[queen laurel]

for future reference here's the six big clans

[vagrant fox]

Propa Kroozin Krumpin Klanz

[limpid granite]

Adepticon is today right?

[brave owl]

Freebootaz

[limpid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-ork-railgun-let-me-shoot-my-railgun-gif-9874737770595198769

[paper haven]

Yeh

[brave owl]

Yeah, I 100% forgot the names.

[gleaming gale]

The last point being singled out every time implies men getting killed being worth less somehow, it always comes out as a faulty point of view lol

[queen laurel]

Oh they are not like a clan but like they are a group of outcasts freebooterz

[paper haven]

This speaks to me

[brave owl]

Goffs are probably the coolest? Its been awhile since I read the lore

[limpid granite]

Still a classic

[storm jungle]

Overdone, next 📢

[queen laurel]

I'm not gonna tell you to stop liking them but they are the more basic of the groups, their orks are bigger than everyone else because they fight each other and they are notorious killjoys that only want to bash your head in with a club

Their main tactic is infantry flood

[fading bluff]

@sterile echo I have to ask if you dislike warhammer 40k why are you here

[paper haven]

To argue

[gleaming gale]

Here it comes

[paper haven]

Duh

[brave owl]

Badmoons are the shooty ones yeah?

[daring creek]

the game

prolly

[vagrant fox]

This is cool tho

[daring creek]

and to probably understand why ppl enjoy grimdark

[queen laurel]

Yeah and their teeth grow faster than any other orc which also makes them rich because orc currency is teeth

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Bad_Moons

Time to read up seabiscuit

[brave owl]

he's just here to troll guys its pretty clear they don't believe shit they are saying

[paper haven]

Reading!?

[gleaming gale]

"Game doesn't get changed to my world views so therefore you are fascists for enjoying it"

[fading bluff]

But wouldn’t his logic also be applicable to enjoying Darktide?

[wary fulcrum]

ACAB includes Goffs

[queen laurel]

Because of that they have the most expensive guns and the most expensive gold armors

[limpid granite]

Doesnt dawn of war 4 have an unique ork klan

[storm jungle]

Dont think so

[paper haven]

I'm a GAMER.
I don't know how to read.

[queen laurel]

nope Beast snaggas of snake bites and bad moons

[daring creek]

If ur only exposure to 40k is dt ur not gonna know a lot

[wary fulcrum]

Goffs chequer board pattern is based on British police colours

[brave owl]

😛

[wary fulcrum]

So they’re the fucking ork police

[vagrant fox]

As they used to say, don't feed the troll

[paper haven]

AGAB

[limpid granite]

I sea

[brave owl]

We straight orkin' it

and by it

I mean, MY WAAAGH

[gleaming gale]

You don't get it, my genocidal goon who got imprisoned is different from the rest of the genocidal goons in the Imperium

[limpid granite]

Red button dedicated solely to making things fasta

[paper haven]

No because violence is ok if it's against evil people

[gleaming gale]

Classic Gorgutz

[brave owl]

Deathskulls or snakebites are the ones with Kommandos

[paper haven]

You're not a psycho if you're morally correct

[wary fulcrum]

But both sides consider the other to be evil

[brave owl]

I think

[daring creek]

is that an ork made ship or a space hulk

[brave owl]

Or more kommandos

[queen laurel]

that's an orc spacecraft standard by the way

[queen laurel]

an ork rok

[sacred ginkgo]

One side also murders people for fun

[queen laurel]

a hollowed out asteroid they basically attach weapons and equipment to

and they just kind of fly around

[paper haven]

Then violence is ok against both

[wary fulcrum]

I’m genuinely not sure which side you mean

[brave owl]

Orks basically attach rockets to space hulks or asteroids, yeah

[sacred ginkgo]

Idk

[daring creek]

oh so like gmod

lmfao

[sacred ginkgo]

Whichever one kills people

[paper haven]

Problem solved. You may now play your game without guilt

[sacred ginkgo]

I didn't think there were specific sides

[daring creek]

20 rockets on a couch

[brave owl]

Orks don't have to function off of reality

[storm jungle]

"RDM RDM RDM RDM"

[sterile echo]

That's a debate of whether or not the neglectful death of a child is punishable by death.

[storm jungle]

They do

dont buy into the WAAAGH memes lol

[brave owl]

sooorta kinda don't

[storm jungle]

They do.

they dont do stuff that breaks reality

[daring creek]

https://tenor.com/view/gmod-funny-ironic-gmod-rp-gif-20786714

[brave owl]

I mean their tech only works for them

[paper haven]

Oh boy ork memes

Yesss

[queen laurel]

like i said stick a bunch of thrusters and garbage in an asteroid

[sterile echo]

This is making fun of me^

[daring creek]

what the fuck

[queen laurel]

After you hollow it out

[wary fulcrum]

But that’s the most self forgiving philosophy ever

No one genuinely sits there and says ‘Hans, are we the baddies?’

[daring creek]

is that the face or the back

[wary fulcrum]

It’s the debate about whether violence against evil is justice

[brave owl]

yes

[limpid granite]

Not to be confuded with the rock the dark angels ship

[paper haven]

Yeah because moral questions are difficult and can produce sad feelings.

[queen laurel]

both because it's literally a rok

[daring creek]

rok

[paper haven]

We don't do that here

[queen laurel]

turn that thing into a drop pad and a weapon at the same time

[vagrant fox]

No thrusters so frontish

[brave owl]

orks really shouldn't be crashing meteors into planets if they want to be fighting the people planetside tbh

[sterile echo]

You know that's not what i mean. Display their intentions,, that should be enough. I'm not a caveman. I don't any more disturbing imagery in my life.

[limpid granite]

Solely dedicated to smash into shit

[wary fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/bebetwenty-gif-24481468

You guys are still having feelings?

[daring creek]

[sacred ginkgo]

For what other reason do we live

[queen laurel]

Yeah orcs use these things as both drop pads and weapons

[paper haven]

I mean. Sometimes.

[brave owl]

to suffer

[sacred ginkgo]

Wrong

[gleaming gale]

If you need a moral justification for Darktide, the status quo is better than the guys literally poisoning a billion people with toxic gas and turning them into zombies, it's called a compromise, neither is ideal, but one is morally better than the other

[limpid granite]

I live for cool ass videogames

Like control resonant

[fervent geode]

No the Moebians are right

[gleaming gale]

Ok, mr. not Death Guard, I trust you

[fervent geode]

[daring creek]

I suggest not ever reading 40k then cuz its bad stacked ontop of bad atop of even more bad. but I guess your intention still remains to figure out why we enjoy this?

[wary fulcrum]

Again, not sure which side you’re talking about

Servitors exist, indentured fsctorum slaves who sleep under the workstation they’re chained to

[sacred ginkgo]

The moral justification is that my divine relic blade is cooler than their rusty pipe and thus the mandate of heaven sides with me

[paper haven]

Yeah but from the perspective of the zombies, you're like. Shooting them. And they don't like that. I mean, probably.

[fervent geode]

I am the non biased source of information yes

[vagrant fox]

The loyalists or the traitors?

[gleaming gale]

Yes

[brave owl]

https://tenor.com/view/shoota-nob-space-marine-waaagh-ork-orks-gif-25458613

[paper haven]

Yes

[fervent geode]

Horus and Sanguinius laughing jovially about Mass Xenocides seems pretty direct to me

[opaque coyote]

I mean both are suffering.

At least one allows you to kill yourself to escape it while the other doesn't.

[daring creek]

I honestly ask why I enjoy these things myself. I just think its neat.

[fervent geode]

The truthers obviously, not the loyalist E Gooners

[daring creek]

the nuances are really cool

[sacred ginkgo]

Man's really acting like he isn't 1 wound tough 4 sv 5+

[paper haven]

This is a Moebian problem and any non-Moebians should not have an opinion

[brave owl]

Nobs?

[vagrant fox]

Maybe if they had picked a better god to be abused by

[gleaming gale]

Cutthroats in shambles, just like Cadia

[storm jungle]

Both is bad tbh

[fervent geode]

My Moebian friend skalamax rotgut says so

[storm jungle]

the Imperium is not some "morally better option"

[sacred ginkgo]

Idk the actual stats I'm just saying some bullshit

[wary fulcrum]

Considered how all murders happen off screen (except often Banquo’s) I thought it was a pretty open own goal myself

[fervent geode]

Our God offers gardening and dental (all your teeth fall out)

[brave owl]

:\ I almost believed you. I thought Nobs were supposed to be tough

[storm jungle]

Zogging my nob until I-

https://klipy.com/gifs/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-funny

[opaque coyote]

Tzeentch strikes once again

[shadow plover]

waagh

[paper haven]

Which I think is pretty impressive considering their enemies have literal demons among their number

[daring creek]

gorking my mork till i waauugh

[opaque coyote]

Just as planned

[wary fulcrum]

Don’t need teeth in your mouth when you have an armpit maw

[fervent geode]

Waaaaaaagh

[wary fulcrum]

Legion of the damned

[fervent geode]

Keeping speaking these fax

[storm jungle]

Tbh the daemons have an easier job thanks to the Imperium lol

[sacred ginkgo]

Ok its 2 wounds 5 tough sv 4+

[brave owl]

https://tenor.com/view/waaagh-music-shootas-blood-and-teef-orks-orkz-green-music-gif-26367410

[vagrant fox]

What straight up hustling to be the worst can achieve

[sacred ginkgo]

I was wrong by exactly one in all metrics

[fervent geode]

Creating so much suffering feeds the suffering emotion gremlins 😮

[brave owl]

SHOOTAZ BLOOD AND TEEF

[paper haven]

Yes, yes, loyalist demons exist too.

[queen laurel]

WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHH!

now that's how you do that none of that weak stuff

[fervent geode]

Those aren’t loyalist daemons lol just Fire Hawks

[daring creek]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGH

[brave owl]

https://youtu.be/yxwx28K93S0

[fervent geode]

WAAAAAAAAGHH

[wary fulcrum]

Fire Hawks wish they were that cool

Stibor your fucking rancid nerd

[opaque coyote]

WAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHH

[vagrant fox]

I mildly like having teeth though

[paper haven]

Oh wait. I think I'm thinking of something else

[opaque coyote]

Don't worry

New ones will grow.

[fervent geode]

Stibor Lazaerek the gooner should never be mentioned

[opaque coyote]

They might be a bit strange though

[brave owl]

Lookin' for worlds
Wiff some 'umies ta crush
Ta bring armor-geddem
And grind them ta dust
Hit 'em hard, hit 'em low
Give 'em plenty of dakka
Dakka!

[opaque coyote]

Also wouldn't suggest brushing them

[paper haven]

Quick let's have the Minotaur chapter master lose another fight

[opaque coyote]

The hate that

[fervent geode]

As Laati said the new teeth are better and have 99% more endurance

Typhon approved

[brave owl]

Dead shooty, our shootas
Well green is our skin
Orks only knows how to krump and to win!
Smashin' up tin heads and takin' their scrap
Spiky boyz, gene sneakers - all dem go splat!

[gleaming gale]

When the other option is being sacrificed and soul fucked by eldritch horrors beyond your comprehension, the Imperium giving you a slim chance of not having that happen is a better compromise in this scenario, both are horrible, one is just slightly less so, something something grimdark

[wary fulcrum]

You like Having jagged bone shards you use to masticate with?

[civic gale]

Something something there is only war

[paper haven]

Shoot bad guys

[vagrant fox]

Naturally, the pain is a reminder

[opaque coyote]

Minotaur Chapter Master when the SM Chapter they're robbing find out

[paper haven]

But what do when I bad guy?

[storm jungle]

And the other option is being lobotomized and be an eternal brainless cyborg helping run factories run on slave labor that breed nothing but misery.

The Imperium doesnt offer a "better compromise." which GW themselves have said in the past. They are also horrible dipshits that allow all this to happen by being space nazis that oppress everyone and anything.

[civic gale]

Instructions unclear, shot everyone

[wary fulcrum]

They only soul fuck the useless ones

The good ones get repeatedly reincarnated or shackled with daemonhood to serve as permanent slaves

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-running-me-when-im-late-tom-hanks-gif-5144739

[daring creek]

sure go to war just know you're feeding khorne

the chaos gods cant lose

[vagrant fox]

You lost me with Typhon approved he's a gross alien thingy

[storm jungle]

The moment you try to argue the Imperium is in any way some "morally preferable alternative" you lose the point.

[urban spire]

that's a false dichotomy :)

[gleaming gale]

But from the point of view of your reject you are the good guys and that's what matters for the character

[paper haven]

Yeah they just, you know, suck.

[fervent geode]

He’s crying bile and pus now you sick fuck

[brave owl]

there is definitely lore that says Psykers are better quality when they actually have a stable life to grow up in

[wary fulcrum]

Can even put them in new and interesting places

[opaque coyote]

Just as planned™

[fervent geode]

An extra mouth just for 1 more ritual

[paper haven]

About that

[wary fulcrum]

Doesn’t that apply to everyone?

[brave owl]

So Daemon invasions happening because a psyker lost it is definitely partially because people are being horrible

[wary fulcrum]

Have a kraken in your arm pit!

[daring creek]

Gaslight girlboss gatekeep

[storm jungle]

Failing to realise daemonic invasions can just be triggered by normal people

[fervent geode]

Two even!

[civic gale]

Ugly ass mother fu-

[urban spire]

anyway there's a reason a lot of hive serfs choose chaos instead of the emperor

[sacred ginkgo]

You can always put your teeth in new and interesting places
You just lack the will

[urban spire]

shit sucks down there

[storm jungle]

Psykers just have a way to speedrun it

[daring creek]

what does tzeench do like

exactly

[civic gale]

True

[brave owl]

Plan

[storm jungle]

normal people have doomed several sectors by themselves without being psykers

[vagrant fox]

Stuff

[daring creek]

beyond "change" and "knowledge"

[fervent geode]

Everything and nothing

Schemes

[brave owl]

Tzeentch is the God of Hope 😉

[urban spire]

tzeentch doesn't do things so much as take credit for things

[brave owl]

So in other words, he can't be killed

[gleaming gale]

Play fifth dimensional vostroyan chess billiards

[daring creek]

"hmm..yes..,mmmmyes...its call coming together now" is what im getting

[paper haven]

Yeah for selfish reasons like "food" and "shelter"

[fervent geode]

Myes

[brave owl]

Do you want to change things for the btter

Tzeentch can and will take advantage of that

[vagrant fox]

Sometimes Tzeentch influences an assembly line worker to fuck one Tau rail round just for the lols I guess

[opaque coyote]

Also you get a cool tattoo for tree

[storm jungle]

Read up

[gleaming gale]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-gif-12132376810128560925

[brave owl]

Tzeentch Cultists are more likely to be mutated then other chaos gods

which means more Chaos Spawn

[daring creek]

This guy sounds fucking annoying and frustrating ngl

[fervent geode]

He is

[paper haven]

I don't understand why this is so difficult. Literally turn your parents into the feds for breaking the rules to feed you

It's just that simple

[urban spire]

how many parents you got?

idk if that's a sustainable source of income

[storm jungle]

You just arent built for the game

[paper haven]

You mean, in total?

Or like, currently?

[brave owl]

fuck this im joining the schola progenum and learning how to shoot people in the head

[storm jungle]

you cant unless you're an orphan

lmao

[daring creek]

"That is true..but am I being honest is the question mmmyes" Sounds like a mf that feeds off confusion and cognitive dissonance

[sacred ginkgo]

Sounds like an easy problem to solve

[vagrant fox]

Already know how to write, too old. Off to the servitor factory

[cerulean trellis]

Might end up an assassin, or clergy too

[brave owl]

or arbites

[gleaming gale]

Idk, my viewpoint might be biased against literal hell worshippers but I won't go into a two hours shouting match and move goal posts until I get the moral high ground about it

[daring creek]

peg his WHAT

[fervent geode]

Get kidnapped by Honsou and Akurra to get the chaos truthnukepill

[gleaming gale]

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-christopher-moltisanti-gif-16006813

[urban spire]

chaos isn't literally hell, it's figurative hell, that's the whole point

[cerulean trellis]

Lotsa possibilities ^^

[urban spire]

the imperium is the material hell, chaos is the immaterium

[storm jungle]

The joke is we are living in hell, its called real life!

[brave owl]

The Warp only sucks because people suck

[storm jungle]

[vagrant fox]

Hell has delicious white monsters?

[sterile echo]

• So then why do they go through further effort to show off the cruelty in person other than the sake of upsetting you?
• That is being treated like a child. We know what evil looks like. We know what crimes against humanity are. We know what oppressive, violent, brutal militias look like. Again, why are the creators going through further effort to show off the cruelty, inhumanity, and violence other than for the sake of upsetting you?
• We were already told he was an evil dipshit, what more understanding is needed? He wants to take over the world or whatever, how is that not reason enough? Again, going back to the morality thing- how does a person have to be so overly heinous for you to consider stopping them? It does matter how much evil in the world, because i dont want it shoved down my throat at every waking second. If i can't do anything about it, or i have done my bit, or if i just want a fucking break for a few hours out of the week, i dont want to be thinking about the evils of the world. If you don't mind that, it suggests that you dont really understand how much awfulness there is in world and has been in the past.
• When you mentioned you were a girl, i thought you would be happy to know that i was aware and opposed to the excessive levels of violence perpetrated against women in real life, and its gratuitous depictiosn in media. Im not saying that men being killed is necessarily worth less; im calling the large, revolting, and largely unchallenged disparity.

[storm jungle]

Oh my god

[gleaming gale]

Words

[daring creek]

,

is that chatgbt

[sacred ginkgo]

To make a point

The thought of violence is nowhere near as potent as the action

[storm jungle]

"Why why why why why why."

Its to make a fucking point.

[sacred ginkgo]

If villains just think about being evil and don't do anything who even cares

[storm jungle]

SHOW. DONT. TELL.

[sacred ginkgo]

I think about blowing people's shit smooth off

[storm jungle]

The best part is people also legit think this shit is exaggerated lol

as if warlords just dont kill people in the same room with them randomly for no reason

[daring creek]

having a story spelled out to you isn't fun or engaging

[gleaming gale]

Literally admits to trying to glaze you for being a woman by bringing women as a subject

[vagrant fox]

This is the guy who called me a degenerate for liking dystopian fiction
Certainly a character

[storm jungle]

Women being brutally killed in fiction is kind of its own topic id rather not realy get into rn lol.

[brave owl]

smoove*

[storm jungle]

However my sympathies are always split when i see another "Male loneliness epidemic" montage, just saying

[gleaming gale]

Fair but that was a low hanging fruit to use

[urban spire]

yo are we doing feminist analysis of phantom liberty? okay does the game have complete characters who are women and exist as more than sex objects to men? does it often use women as props to make a point? i haven't played it, genuine questions

[brave owl]

Fridging sadly is a fairly effective trope, as much as people love to hate on it

[gleaming gale]

So-called incels have mostly themselves to blame regardless of gender

[daring creek]

i dislike the virtue signal

[cerulean trellis]

Oh boy that wall of text and basicakly sayibg nothing.

[gleaming gale]

You should have been here two hours ago

[sterile echo]

Because i want to understand people who i cant help but see as fundamental different than me, hoping to change my beliefs into something that will... fit in, I guess.
Also, a part of me still wants to like 40k. It has extremely cool aesthetics, amazingly creative and often times insane worldbuilding, and its a completely unique universe, combining gothic architecture with with delapitated tech. Also, darktide is an incredibly fun and charming game that doesnt shove the grimdarkness in your face most of the time.

[storm jungle]

Songbird ruined everything thus women are evil

[urban spire]

fuck

[storm jungle]

WE'VE BEEN TRYING

FOR THE LAST HOUR

[cerulean trellis]

What did i miss xD

[storm jungle]

You simply just dont want to accept anything we say

idk what else do you want man

[gleaming gale]

Apparently you are forbidden from liking 40k because grimdark

[urban spire]

well thats fine i guess i support women's wrongs

[vagrant fox]

People are very horny about the French girl in Phantom Liberty, women are to blame for that

[sacred ginkgo]

Ok that last bit is just wrong DT is dark as hell as far as 40k games go

[sterile echo]

I dont wanna see people get raped and murdered actually!

[storm jungle]

OH MY GOD

LMAO

WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING

[brave owl]

why are you letting them bait you

[sterile echo]

And you cant do it.. so what conclusions does that leave me with?

[urban spire]

i don't think that's bait i think it's rejection sensitive dysphoria

[storm jungle]

"Bait you" mfer everyone in here including you has been participating in this for the last 2 hours

[gleaming gale]

https://youtu.be/Q-f-5ZpGDmQ?is=inVtrDK2UE4wD5k5

[urban spire]

it's just digging a hole

[sacred ginkgo]

They literally tell you over command comms how stuff is like in the Torrent

[storm jungle]

That you are thickheaded and cant accept opinions.

[brave owl]

true haha I have no room to talk

[daring creek]

Don't force yourself to fit into someplace your uncomfortable.
Also, Darktide does, look at all the enemies, learn to what they're saying, listen to what the characters are saying. Think about the implications and the actual world. Have you seen the Medicae Servitor? Or even the ones in the mourning star?

[storm jungle]

^

Seriously, enough lol

[cerulean trellis]

I mean... psychologically speaking humans like to hear about people being worse off. As we live in a dystopian unfunctional world ourselves it is natural to like things telling stories about people being off a little worse than us.

[sacred ginkgo]

That you're unreceptive or too staunch in your stance to gain anything from discussion

[vagrant fox]

Songbird is a whole character, jokes aside and not sexualised outside of one revealing dress at a party unless I misremember

[storm jungle]

^

also she looks hot and gets a pass, because im a woman so i can say this

[gleaming gale]

Yeah but you are not allowed to like big guns and tanks because the socioeconomic factors of a hive world are bad

[storm jungle]

ıronically a really good breakdown, good job

we just love human misery

but thats another topic

[brave owl]

whoever made that scene with songbird fucking cooked bro

[cerulean trellis]

Thanks, i have my moments ^^

[sterile echo]

Im talking about the 8 billion other people on this world.

[gleaming gale]

What does that have to do with Warhammer, again

[brave owl]

[urban spire]

aren't we talkin about fiction?

[daring creek]

This really isn't the place to do it then. This conversation started about warhammer

[cerulean trellis]

Sounds like a conflicted person trying to project their problems onto others

[sacred ginkgo]

Gods its like 3 am but I have to see the end of this one

[vagrant fox]

If it's like last time it doesn't really have an end

[gleaming gale]

Warhammer isn't real?

[urban spire]

being a big guns and tanks appreciator and also a big stinky anarchist i can tell you this: being a socialist and a gun enthusiast takes some real introspection sometimes

[daring creek]

why sleep when theres a discord discussion to spectate

[gleaming gale]

James Workshop you sly dog!

[urban spire]

what the fuck is warhammer?

[sacred ginkgo]

Thats the worst part

[sterile echo]

Well my internet goes out at 3am. Power saving.

[sterile echo]

Im trying to understand people. This is one avenue; one that i'm already familiar with.

[storm jungle]

my honest reaction

[vagrant fox]

I apply the Hideo Kojima logic. Guns are really cool but boy, war sucks

[daring creek]

bye bye

[daring creek]

MY MAN

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[storm jungle]

DOYOULOVEITWHENIGETUPALLUPINYOUR-

🗣️

[sterile echo]

You said we need to see the acts because story needs to "make a point"

[storm jungle]

lmao

thats a fucking jump from you and a lady being shot in the head

[paper haven]

There are degrees of violence, as it happens

[storm jungle]

^

not even warhammer crosses that line

it just sticks to cartoony violence

[gleaming gale]

What the fuck is depth and complexity

[brave owl]

Big Boss geeking out over a handgun for 10 minutes

[urban spire]

you can do works of fiction about bad things happening to women feministly, actually, you just have to not fuck up the context

[storm jungle]

^

[daring creek]

fucked up things can put emphasis on things. Like how dangerous, or powerful, or immoral. or how much conviction a person possesses.

[paper haven]

We don't want to put people off

[sterile echo]

Other than the lords dialoge, the servitors, and the workers sleeping where they work? It's pretty alright.

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[urban spire]

if a woman is an object you're using to make a point: you've fucked it
otherwise you have a lot of leeway

[paper haven]

40k is a famously welcoming setting

[gleaming gale]

Average genestealer cultist

[storm jungle]

more like Average Imperial cultist

[urban spire]

bad phrasing whoops whoops

[paper haven]

With a passionate and empathetic fanbase

[full obsidian]

What do you mean Warhammer isn't dark and griddy and for the big boys who grew up from star wars 🐹

[sacred ginkgo]

Ok you clearly do not pay enough attention
Also, this is a really bad statement that would be sarcasm from anyone else

People live in the torrent

[storm jungle]

People in the Torrent literally shift through shit covered waters for food lol

this is like one of the most repeated voicelines in the intro of the level

[sacred ginkgo]

You can hear groaners ask you to kill them

[paper haven]

They should have thought about that before becoming poor

[sacred ginkgo]

Rejects talk about their pasts which are all horrible

[storm jungle]

"40k fans"

most fictional media does

[sterile echo]

Hold on

[daring creek]

Poxburster, Pox Hound, the captains, the rejects and everyone basically on a death sentence

[storm jungle]

because SA on screen is fucking uncomfortable

lol

[daring creek]

the trapper with her perv ass dialogue

[gleaming gale]

Lmao he deleted the message

[storm jungle]

GET-
GET-
GETOU-

[urban spire]

you really gotta handle SA with a very sensitive touch, because media DOES exist in a greater context

[sacred ginkgo]

Darktide is in fact
Dark™

[urban spire]

wait

[paper haven]

The trapper is definitely on a list

[urban spire]

my reply

[storm jungle]

Rannick was definitely on the Island

[vagrant fox]

Having watched e.g. Lilya 4-Ever where there's depiction of SA on the screen it can be used to tell an important story but you have to be very careful about it. I'm not sure a lot of Black Library authors are on that level

[storm jungle]

^

they very much arent

[gleaming gale]

When do we get the valkyrie flight logs

[storm jungle]

BL authors suck when it comes to handling such subjects lmao

they are basically all bald middle-aged white guys that just wanna embrace empty nerd fantasies

whcih is mostly fine

[daring creek]

I will appreciate however that the socialist person is actually trying to engage with what makes them uncomfortable

[sterile echo]

I didnt reply to the message. hold on...

[daring creek]

we can give them that

[urban spire]

but also like, maybe someone just doesn't want to have to do a shitload of heavy literary lifting for the sake of having SA appear in their work? it's fine if you want to just not put SA in your fiction

[rocky gale]

Yea do it wrong and you have just made your audience uncomfortable and not a thought provoking uncomfortable, just plain uncomfortable

[paper haven]

It requires grace, understanding, subtlety and incredible care to depict.
Which is all the opposite of 40k and its writers

[storm jungle]

Correct.

[storm jungle]

This yeah. Which is why most male authors are incapable of it.

[vagrant fox]

The implication often does more work for me than anything depicted

[gleaming gale]

A work of fiction can be grim, even dark, without SA being shown or implied, just fucking remember this is a backdrop to make you buy toy soldiers

[storm jungle]

I was literally reading a Short last night where they refer to Savlar Chemdogs as "rapists" it made me laugh because it came out of nowhere but its also very fitting

[paper haven]

A big rule is to just try not to overthink it.

[gleaming gale]

That's like everyone in the setting

[storm jungle]

Basically.

But Savlar because uh "criminals bad"

[paper haven]

Media, I mean. Not depictions of SA

[vagrant fox]

You can overthink it fine, that's what media analysis is for imo

[daring creek]

These guys look cool as fuck

[gleaming gale]

You know they have it bad when they volunteer for the penal legions and are threatened to be sent back to Savlar if they misbehave

[storm jungle]

Savlar Coomdogs

[rocky gale]

Also like Sexual violence is one of those things that is like utterly reprehensible in every single situation without exception. Like there exists a reality where in a dark and dire situation I would eat another person and have to live with the fact that I did that, but there isn't one where I willingly commit SA.

[paper haven]

Actually, there was one Warhammer fantasy book where a character had to deal with SA

[storm jungle]

Yeah Warhammer Fantasy is way more carefree with sex

[gleaming gale]

Blackhearts

[storm jungle]

its one of the reasons why I like it

[paper haven]

Yeah that one

[vagrant fox]

warhammer snoozetasy

[paper haven]

I thought it handled it pretty well

[urban spire]

shouts out to 40k being like "most people who get in trouble with the law haven't really done anything bad they just ran afoul of the pit of corruption and nonsense legal bullshit" and then turning around and going "anyway look at these evil vile criminals arent they disgusting"

[rocky gale]

Age of Snoozemar am I right?

[paper haven]

Heresy 2nd class

[gleaming gale]

Age of Ligma

[daring creek]

https://tenor.com/view/when-the-goop-gif-2022542988510754260

[vagrant fox]

freakin uhh, soymar

[gleaming gale]

Holy Soymar, bless this ravaged chud

[rocky gale]

Ligma, Ohio? Where hit show Glee is set?

[urban spire]

anyway i guess that one guy's internet cut out

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-glee-will-schuester-matthew-morrison-gif-6542748731088676729

[gleaming gale]

Good

[urban spire]

anybody else wanna say something controversial so we can have a big row?

[vagrant fox]

Either way on one hand I find it important to be exposed to these things and think critically about it and try to understand what these people have gone through but it also has to be handled well

[queen laurel]

sure

[sacred ginkgo]

Thats definitely bs who the hell cuts their internet at 3 am

[gleaming gale]

Are you aware 40k is bad and you are bad if you engage with it

[sacred ginkgo]

Thats uselessly late

[vagrant fox]

Mechs, all varieties, should be completely and utterly deleted from 40k
nah

[rocky gale]

Time is an illusion and so are pants

[urban spire]

my old internet used to cut 3 AM every night for no discernable reason, but only for like 2-3 minutes

[sterile echo]

Well that's the whole of grimdarkess to me.

[urban spire]

i said controversial, not true

[gleaming gale]

The world would be a better place if the tyranids consume Krieg

[urban spire]

stop being right

[vagrant fox]

https://klipy.com/gifs/caught-caught-in-4k-2

[urban spire]

oh hey i thought your internet died

[gleaming gale]

3 am savings ended after 5 minutes

[storm jungle]

Anyway

thats 3 hours of my day wasted

wonderful

[brave owl]

leave the clones alone

[vagrant fox]

I should rewatch Lilya-4-ever that movie is distinctly uncomfortable

[storm jungle]

im gonna go order mcdonalds

[gleaming gale]

Same time tomorrow?

[vagrant fox]

every day is a wasted day what's three hours

[rocky gale]

Just like the sight of gay people in media does to fundamentalist Christians, doesn't imbue them with any morale superiority.

[scenic trout]

This is still going?

[sacred ginkgo]

You just wasted 3 hours and now you're capping it with 15$ and depression?

[gleaming gale]

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-this-guy-ever-stop-breaking-balls-tony-soprano-mafia-goodfellas-gif-15663252114468665983

[urban spire]

winding down i think

[scenic trout]

My ass spent like 40 mins playing a single mission

[rocky gale]

Do they got McDonald's in Turkey?

[urban spire]

they got mcdonalds everywhere

[rocky gale]

Damn

[urban spire]

its actually better in some places than others because of food regulations

[scenic trout]

Midcdonad

[vagrant fox]

apparently

[gleaming gale]

Borgar

[rocky gale]

I like just can't imagine a McDonald's in Istanbul

[vagrant fox]

Hold on I'm gonna go to Adiyaman to get McDs

[urban spire]

damn dont dox her like that

[scenic trout]

https://tenor.com/view/here-kitty-you-can-has-cheeseburger-gif-7210661951502365606

[misty vector]

The b and d in abdomen

[urban spire]

norwegian burger king actually fucking slaps

[vagrant fox]

She had one too many bad takes

[urban spire]

all the ingredients is high grade because they have to be for them to operate

it's expensive though

[storm jungle]

Istanbul is a literal metropolis

[scenic trout]

gonna steal all the supreme fries

[rocky gale]

I wonder if they have any Turkish localisations on their menu

[storm jungle]

it has like everything

[storm jungle]

Nah

[vagrant fox]

Istansnooze has nothing but tourist traps

[storm jungle]

foreign restaurants remain foreign

[rocky gale]

A McKebab?

[storm jungle]

we have way too many local spots for them to take over

[sterile echo]

I'm on data. On international rates, btw.

[civic gale]

Bruh

[rocky gale]

A McDonar

[storm jungle]

Döner*

filthly fucking potato eater

[vagrant fox]

durum

[urban spire]

so like do you wanna argue some more or

[civic gale]

She can't keep getting away with this

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

Dürüm*

[gleaming gale]

Can't believe I agreed with with a turk all these hours as a balkanic, stereotype ruined

[vagrant fox]

same thing

dyrym

[urban spire]

dørøm

[storm jungle]

Bro is NOT a Kin dwarf

[sterile echo]

But i... cant anymore.
Im exhaustived. I've learned nothing. I'll have continue my search for answers elsewhere.

[civic gale]

Döner would go hard rn

[storm jungle]

Bro IS NOT obi-wan kenobi

[civic gale]

I'm hungry as well

[sacred ginkgo]

You're not gonna find them as you are

[storm jungle]

^

[sacred ginkgo]

Just saying

[storm jungle]

The worst part is

hes gonna go to another 40k server

and get bullied and ridiculed

we did none of that

yet he sees it as us doing it

[rocky gale]

Nothing more Irish than a Doner Kebab and chips

[vagrant fox]

Just keep ignoring every answer that'll get you somewhere

[sterile echo]

Im not going seek out more 40k, jackass

[gleaming gale]

The space marine 2 server 💀

[storm jungle]

Yeah I just feel bad

[sacred ginkgo]

And repeat this process

[urban spire]

love to be lectured on feminism by a dude, gotta be one of my fave hobbies

[storm jungle]

we did nothing but be nice, and he saw us as "nonintellectuals" lol

[gleaming gale]

We are too stupid to comprehend his machinations

[storm jungle]

Now hes gonna get bullied and hate warhammer forever in some other server with actual asshole users

[vagrant fox]

McD here when using global recipies is like a 4/10, using local ones it's a 6/10. I don't know how they've managed this

[queen laurel]

i mean we literally hammered our points into his skull by like 500%

[civic gale]

Hey Dilara? Mining worlds are common right?

[sterile echo]

Uhhh i left a word out

[queen laurel]

i'm gonna be honest this guy is like way worse than eternal

[sacred ginkgo]

Uh huh

[storm jungle]

tbh Eternal was just a dipshit

[celest dome]

Yes

[vagrant fox]

Eternal wasn't so bad unless you got him started on the Minecraft movie

I found him endlessly funny

[storm jungle]

Yeah, one of the biggest things the Imperium does is resource extraction

[gleaming gale]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-minecraft-movie-a-minecraft-movie-steve-jack-black-gif-4079785775268000209

[civic gale]

Yee ain't her but thanks for the answer cacti boss

[rocky gale]

Mere pissants compared to his insurmountable moral superiority

[vagrant fox]

Yeah put machines down and slave labour and when the resources are gone extract the machines and leave the people

[sacred ginkgo]

Or just forget about it

[queen laurel]

it was fun to get on a verbal spar with him once in awhile but he is genuinely a bit of a doofus from time to time

[urban spire]

oh did we lose eternal?

[vagrant fox]

Or forget about it sometimes, bureaucracy providing

[sacred ginkgo]

Ages ago

[fervent geode]

We lost him a long time ago

[urban spire]

rip

[civic gale]

I wonder what I should base my mining world on....

[queen laurel]

......yes, this has been a thing for like ages now

[vagrant fox]

Like a year or something?

[storm jungle]

bruh hes been gone for like a year lmao

[queen laurel]

the reason he went out?

[fervent geode]

Lost to the mines

[urban spire]

i'm not very attentive

[queen laurel]

He has an argument with me about the Minecraft movie for more than 30 minutes

[sacred ginkgo]

In the aforementioned Minecraft movie argument

[gleaming gale]

How do I explain to the socialist that I find it interesting the Imperium has literal planets just for making candles without making a social commentary about it

[rocky gale]

He had a crashout over us enjoying the Minecraft movie

Legit

[storm jungle]

I loved him ngl

"Who cares"

Continues to argue for an hour, clearly caring.

[queen laurel]

It was genuinely the most funny and baffling thing I have been in

[brave owl]

🥚

[vagrant fox]

"This doesn't matter"
Argues about it for hours

I loved him

[storm jungle]

^

[sacred ginkgo]

He still shadowboxes on the iron warriors subreddit

[queen laurel]

i even brought up the NBA argument oh why would you move into and participate in an argument about basketball if you do not care about basketball

[sacred ginkgo]

Our finest soldier

[storm jungle]

Hes the sole reason im vindicated and reminded why Iron Hands and their fans suck

what a dumbass lmao

[gleaming gale]

Man is this guy a blood relative to the khorne guy

[vagrant fox]

he's just jewish dw

[urban spire]

brother

[vagrant fox]

dw

[sacred ginkgo]

How

[vagrant fox]

I love the stereotype of 3 jews 6 opinions, he fully encapsulated it

[sacred ginkgo]

Doesn't he hate native americans

[urban spire]

like i get what you mean but wowwww

[vagrant fox]

I have a chud pass

[gleaming gale]

Stunning and brave

[urban spire]

that's right, i'm giving you permission to say the t slur

you should try it out right now

[sacred ginkgo]

Come on

Go for it

[vagrant fox]

I feel like this is a trap

[rocky gale]

He held a grudge against me because our first interaction was me saying the most notable thing Ferrus Mannus did was die

[urban spire]

whittling punji sticks
nnnooooo...

[gleaming gale]

You encountered one of the 3 iron hands fans, unlucky

[vagrant fox]

Genuinely I can't think of a t slur right now

[daring creek]

i mean you will probably be muted anyway

so

[rocky gale]

Excuse me?

[urban spire]

well strictly speaking that's one of the t slurs

[brave owl]

Iron Warriors clearly better

[gleaming gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/566634298904674324/1459657695702552588/RDT_20260110_1909134068762314647591285.gif

[vagrant fox]

https://klipy.com/gifs/caught-caught-in-4k-2

I'm being set up, post sopranos

[brave owl]

Peter Turbo and his petulent man children

[gleaming gale]

https://tenor.com/view/the-sopranos-tony-soprano-what-are-you-gonna-do-mafia-mob-gif-16012659

[sacred ginkgo]

Alright shows over and I'm gonna be fucked tomorrow, gn

[gleaming gale]

Nait

[urban spire]

sleep well

[vagrant fox]

have a garou meme

[urban spire]

anyone check out marathon?

[rocky gale]

Na, it's too long

[urban spire]

https://tenor.com/view/sensible-chuckle-laugh-laughing-lol-chuckle-gif-4900071

it's 20 gigs, which was a pleasant surprise in the time of 150 gig triple a garbage

[vagrant fox]

Looks a lot like a reskinned slower D2

[brave owl]

love werewolf

so self destructive

just like me

[urban spire]

werewoof's pathetic

[vagrant fox]

Elite seems to really like Marathon, he'll know about it when he shows up

[urban spire]

you turn into a huge super strong guy and what do you do with that? run into battle naked of course

[vagrant fox]

of course

[urban spire]

you know what makes you resistant to silver bullets? kevlar

could literally wear a giant suit of armour and carry a browning, rushes in dick out

[vagrant fox]

They have that uh, musky husky stink that makes people stupid

no reason for armour surely

[urban spire]

no one has ever shot a werewolf

[civic gale]

How do you know?

[urban spire]

that was an ironic remark

[civic gale]

I was being ironic too sorry

[vagrant fox]

ooh I just remembered the t slur, why would I say that

[urban spire]

you better be

lmao

[vagrant fox]

I'm not sharing any snacks I'm about to buy now

[civic gale]

Yes ma'am

[urban spire]

fine, viking raid, getting the boys

[brave owl]

you would need to make really big kevlar vests for Crinos forms

:\

[urban spire]

you can make a big vest

if you can armour a car and you can armour a dog, you can armour a big smelly dog

[storm jungle]

KEK

[vagrant fox]

Just make it like, a big serape

so you can pretend to be a cowboy but it's made of kevlar

[urban spire]

i read up on the iron hands recently because of the mechanicus adjacency and MAN

these girls need estrogen

[brave owl]

Most garou don't have access to what you need to make Kevlar though

[vagrant fox]

They would if they industrialized

[urban spire]

they exist in a society they can just pay people

[vagrant fox]

We're still not over the turks don't do that

[civic gale]

Who are we slandering now?

[vagrant fox]

iron hands fanboy

[civic gale]

Oh wait...that guy?

[brave owl]

i feel like ordering really big kevlar vests would set off alarm bells

[vagrant fox]

I posted that uhh, dead Iron Hands as a base ornament and he got mad

[civic gale]

I already don't remember his name

[celest dome]

Eternal

[urban spire]

i wish he was here so i could tell him about my iron hands trans theory

[civic gale]

This might seem mean I swear I don't remember his name

[urban spire]

i think that would be a good conversation to have for four hours

[celest dome]

It's redundant, all SM are trans

[civic gale]

noted

Have there been any like...big important tech priests btw?

[urban spire]

transfemme not transhuman

[civic gale]

The scale yarrick is important

[urban spire]

yeah

[vagrant fox]

a bunch

[civic gale]

WOOOOO

[gleaming gale]

Mary Sue Cawl?

[urban spire]

mechanicus doesn't get enough love though

[civic gale]

they important ones are "Magos" right?

[civic gale]

Sadly

[vagrant fox]

Arkhan Land was a whole character got mad about

[gleaming gale]

Mfw Land Raider is named after the dude and not after what it does

[brave owl]

I hardly knew her

[gleaming gale]

Magos, Archmagos, Fabricator, plenty of titles and subtitles going up

[urban spire]

fabricator general is a big one

explorators are cool

hang on let me get the chart

[vagrant fox]

It's a silly thing for so many people to get so annoyed by

[gleaming gale]

Would have been hilarious if the Space Marines were named after Jimmy Space on that logic

[vagrant fox]

Amar Astarte lmbo

[urban spire]

thats the emperors real name

[rocky gale]

They're named after Amar Astartes

[civic gale]

Oh shit

[urban spire]

who the fuck is amar astartes

[storm jungle]

Take a wild guess

lmao

[vagrant fox]

One of the scientists who worked on the Astartes

[urban spire]

no

[storm jungle]

dickhead

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Amar_Astarte

then read up

[urban spire]

oh but wasnt that the emperor? curious

[gleaming gale]

The adept who astarted or something

[celest dome]

Perpetual that worked on the Primarch and SM PROJECT

[urban spire]

oh ok

[storm jungle]

The Emperor literally never had a creative idea in his life

all his achivements are built off the success of others

lol

[vagrant fox]

chadly behaviour

[civic gale]

I was playing mechanicus and I still don't know what role I play there

[vagrant fox]

I, too, only steal

[urban spire]

viking behavior

[gleaming gale]

I have this lingering thought that the Emperor might be a hypocrite and a bad guy... can't really put my finger on it

[celest dome]

You know how there is lore that state the Emp invented Bolter techs. I don't believe it

[urban spire]

i feel like bolters are kinda inefficient

[celest dome]

2lhv99fycuh li

[vagrant fox]

Faustinius is a magos dominus I'm pretty sure

[urban spire]

couldn't you replace the rocket propellant with more explosive

[vagrant fox]

It's cool and efficient if you cast your mind back to the late 80s

[gleaming gale]

There was an actual gun developed in that time that did exactly that, looked futuristic enough

[shadow plover]

it makes sense if you take into account how short the bolter barrels are, at least the original ones

[paper haven]

Aw is the guy gone?

[civic gale]

Question, how do fucking servo skulls work?

[urban spire]

there's that airburst grenade rifle, that thing is cool

[vagrant fox]

yes

[gleaming gale]

Yeah

[vagrant fox]

Gyrojets have been around for a bit

[urban spire]

it's a skull with a computer in it

[civic gale]

Sorry sigsen replied by accident

[civic gale]

That it?

Cool

[urban spire]

yeah

[gleaming gale]

Powered by a brain

[paper haven]

Gyrojets are really cool

[gleaming gale]

We don't do abominable intelligence

[civic gale]

Interesting

[vagrant fox]

Yeah, skull, computer bits, thing that lets it fly around

[urban spire]

gyrojets are kinda lame

[civic gale]

Yeh I know about 40k "AI"

[vagrant fox]

Usually some of the grey matter is preserved

[urban spire]

yeah or a cogitator, skull's just a housing either way

[gleaming gale]

Unless you're Cawl, you can get away with it because papa smurf covers for you

[paper haven]

Personally I think the next major evolution in firearms will be caseless ammunition and gyrojets are like a super crude attempt at it and I think that's neat.

Now, are they good as ammunition? Not really, no.

[urban spire]

caseless will only become a thing if solid propellant blocks become cheaper than brass and powder

but brass and powder's REALLY cheap

and really reliable

[paper haven]

The Germans had a really good solid propellant design

Unfortunately it was German

[urban spire]

the big blocky things right

[paper haven]

So

Way too complicated and expensive

[brave owl]

there are however Tech priests who go all the way

and modify they entire shit

at least in the ttrpg anyway 😛

[paper haven]

I want to say it was the G-11 but I can't actually remember if that's the right gun.

[civic gale]

"here we have a loyalist skull as my new computer case"

[gleaming gale]

Meanwhile Magos Biologis who are just gym rats

[civic gale]

Gym rats?

[brave owl]

they go to the gym all day

😛

Its not a 40k term

[urban spire]

a gym rat is someone who hangs out at the gym too much

[gleaming gale]

Some biologis are of the opinion nothing is more sacred than the human body

[paper haven]

Is gym rat not a commonly understood term?

[gleaming gale]

So they get beefed up to perfection

[brave owl]

the humble biologis with the pheromone implant

[urban spire]

they're fine actually, a lot of them are really about body positivity and becoming what you want to be and stuff

you'd think gym rats would be awful but nah

[civic gale]

But.... aren'tn AdMechs about everything mechanical almost nothing flesh?

[vagrant fox]

Gym rats are usually very nice

[brave owl]

something something

[civic gale]

Simply confused that's all

[brave owl]

body is machine

[vagrant fox]

good enough of an excuse

[urban spire]

did you know arnold schwarzenegger supports trans rights

[paper haven]

Yeah, generally they're pretty chill. It's the really insecure ones that are assholes

[brave owl]

Its just a different type of modification

[vagrant fox]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/780813526566436904/1475078241403277332/flesh.webp

true btw

[urban spire]

someone explained it to him in terms of making your body be the way you want it to be and he instantly locked it

[civic gale]

Of course he does, he's the most based guy of all time

[paper haven]

Build the body that is right for you. THere's a ton of overlap there.

[civic gale]

Interesting

[urban spire]

yeah

he wasn't while he was governor, unfortunately

[brave owl]

I'd replace my brain tbh. Alzheimers is awful

fuck that shit

[paper haven]

Typical politician.

[brave owl]

I'd rather be at least aware

[vagrant fox]

Arnold's a weird politician, not sure what to make of him

[paper haven]

Lore accurate

[rancid cove]

I read this as "lingerie thought"

[urban spire]

i have those all the time

[paper haven]

Should probably see a doctor about that

[urban spire]

no it's healthy

[paper haven]

Fine, therapist then.

[urban spire]

well, tbf i am seeing a doctor about that, i'm being prescribed hormones about it

[limpid granite]

Imagine magos biologis for techpriest as a subclass

[rancid cove]

I ate too many apples

[paper haven]

Well drat

[urban spire]

doctors can't see you you're like john cena to them

[rocky gale]

Based

[gleaming gale]

Flexing on the moebians to deal insecurity

AoE stun effect

[rancid cove]

I have created a force field that pushes them away from me at all times, if I catch a tummy ache its over, I will die from the lack of medial assistance

[paper haven]

Ok but are there sub sects of the Magoss Biologis around performance enhancing drugs or pure natural gains?

[vagrant fox]

I'm sick of doctors, I should start eating apples

[limpid granite]

Magos absolutely juiced on combat stims

[rancid cove]

Weirdly enough you shouldn't be getting sick from doctors

[gleaming gale]

They're kinda dealing with everything biochemical

[rancid cove]

That's like their number 1 shtick

[vagrant fox]

and yet

[urban spire]

magos biologis encountering the dæmonhost

[paper haven]

Ok so super steroids, got it

[gleaming gale]

Yeah, and vat grown super muscle transplants

[limpid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/weight-lifting-yourfriendsommi-sommi-crypto-worlds-strongest-man-gif-194287411927300254

The humble magos biologis

[paper haven]

That is. Not a good exercise.

[urban spire]

i think he might be doing it to show off

[rancid cove]

Are magos biologis all about weird human experiments?

[rancid cove]

I hope he hits his shin with that

[urban spire]

no, they're sanctioned by the adeptus mechanicus, they are NOT weird

[paper haven]

He's gonna show off a torn rotator cuff.

[urban spire]

they are NORMAL human experiments

[gleaming gale]

They're still admech, so they are still weird as fuck and not out of the realm of possibility to dissect you for fun and learning

[vagrant fox]

Not just human, they also made Kriegs horses

[limpid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/weights-scream-weightlifting-yelling-yelling-strongman-gif-11022694999750189987

[paper haven]

They think Human Rights means that Humanity is Right. It's a slight mistranslation.

[gleaming gale]

Outside the memes the biologis are kinda engaging in shit that would make Unit 731 blush

[rancid cove]

So basically if I want a weird little cyborgue guy that will have thousand humans as lab rats to make weird little experiments, a biologis is the correct choice

[cerulean trellis]

That eat meat

[paper haven]

Well to be fair there's plenty of corpse starch to go around.

[gleaming gale]

To be fair meat is the most abundant supply in a war zone

[paper haven]

Significantly less hay

[limpid granite]

Tarzus isnt a magos biologis right

[cerulean trellis]

true ^^ still funny

[paper haven]

And horrifying.

[vagrant fox]

yeah these things that like killing things

[paper haven]

Can you imagine carnivore horses?

[limpid granite]

They even have an imperial branding

[vagrant fox]

It would be an appropriate choice, others can do it too I'm sure

[paper haven]

Cavalry charges are terrifying enough with normal horses

[urban spire]

horses are already opportunistic carnivores brother

[paper haven]

Oh. I did not know that.

[gleaming gale]

Tarzus was just a martial zealot

[urban spire]

a lot of "herbivores" aren't

[vagrant fox]

A lot of herbivores are opportunistic

[urban spire]

protein is protein

[paper haven]

Ok but I'm guessing Krieg horses are exculsively carnivores?

[urban spire]

don't go out of their way to pursue meat, but if they get the chance they will kill and eat

[limpid granite]

Hes described as a massive dude

[cerulean trellis]

easy af i am a fan of nightmares soooo xD

[urban spire]

yeah i feel like krieg horses are still pretty bad though

[gleaming gale]

For context within the game, we have Magos Kharib in the warband who created the poison for the phage tree

He's a biologis

[urban spire]

at least the way they use them

[limpid granite]

We still dont know what kharib looks like

[urban spire]

like maybe put your anti tank charge on a rocket instead of on a lance that you make a guy charge with

[gleaming gale]

But we know his field of work

[limpid granite]

Thas true

[paper haven]

Well plenty to be had there, dig in.

[limpid granite]

We know that kayex is a hulking giant bigger than an ogryn

[paper haven]

Cheaper this way.

[gleaming gale]

Is he now

[cerulean trellis]

also my ex's horse ate the sausages from my plate if i left it unattended

[urban spire]

is it? cheaper to grow a whole horse?

[vagrant fox]

As they are a mechanicus invention they're often just injected with the cocktail of whatever they need

[gleaming gale]

He looks like the run of the mill priest

[paper haven]

Than a missile?

[urban spire]

was the horse like in your house?

[paper haven]

Yeah

[limpid granite]

Yeah an ogryn says that kayex is taller than ogryn with tentacles

[cerulean trellis]

nah but we had bbq's at teh stable sometimes xD

and if meat was left unattenden, epona dug in xD

[urban spire]

damn

[cerulean trellis]

well unattended and close to her

[paper haven]

Plus I recall something about Krieg specializing in vat growing humans (and I assume horses).

[urban spire]

yeah they grow those things on krieg

[gleaming gale]

You really missed the ragebait with that guy hours ago when it shifted on the horror genre and wether you should be on a watchlist if you enjoy it

[paper haven]

So for them, it probably is actually easier to just melta lance tanks.

[vagrant fox]

They have their weirdass vitae wombs on Krieg for people, the horses are definitely grown in cloning vats

[urban spire]

idk why krieg is so cagey about the cloning when cloning and vat growing people is super normal on forgeworlds

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-peter-horse-family-guy-lois-griffin-gif-27498457

[gleaming gale]

Because the Mechanicus is a separate entity from the Imperium legally

They are their own empire

[paper haven]

His arguments seemed to shift so much I'm half certain he was just baiting.

[vagrant fox]

iirc it's more the vitae womb is borderline abhorrent to the mechanicus

for whatever reason

[paper haven]

Maybe nobody told them

As a joke

[urban spire]

yeah but they are the ones who would potentially take issue with cloning tech. also they aren't a fully separate empire, they're a separate legal framework

legal and religious i should say

they are still vassals to the throne the way other imperial worlds are

[paper haven]

They just also happen to be extremely well armed vassals to the throne

[gleaming gale]

Yeah, because the only thing nailing them to the Imperium was the accord to have the Emperor acknowledged as the Omnissiah

[urban spire]

yep, but they pay their tithes like everyone else

[paper haven]

And if you piss them off they might just. Stop giving you stuff.

Which would probably cause some issues. Make a few people upset.

Generally ruin the vibe

[urban spire]

but they use the same shit! being vat grown is SO normal in the mechanicus!

like to the point where you're kinda a weirdo if you came out a pussy

[vagrant fox]

Yes but something is fucky about the vitae wombs the mechanicus doesn't like, no idea what

[urban spire]

i think 40k lore might be bad

[storm jungle]

Yeah its just plot nonsense, ignore it

like realistically vitae tech would be abused to shit to make soldiers

but they just dont lol

[civic gale]

Question

[vagrant fox]

It's just what it is, for whatever reason

[gleaming gale]

Iirc the vitae womb is more of a ideological issue for the Imperium, the Mechanicus greatly favour it because vat grown servitors are cheaper than processing and converting criminals

[civic gale]

When we say "magos biologis" we mean the genetor of the AdMechs right?

[paper haven]

Bad writing? In my 40K?
In the Krieg Lore?
At this time of year?

[storm jungle]

yes

[rancid cove]

Piss

[storm jungle]

when we say "Genetor" think of like "generating biological stuff"

[civic gale]

yaaay I used lexicanum

[vagrant fox]

I don't mind contradictory truths, it fits 40k. It also excuses sloppy writing

[storm jungle]

🫡

its bad

[civic gale]

🫡

[storm jungle]

stop excusing bad writing

[vagrant fox]

no

[storm jungle]

think for yourself before its too late

[vagrant fox]

no i'm a moran

[paper haven]

I wish for more bad writing.

[urban spire]

if i had to justify it, i'd say it's because most worlds don't want the continued existence of their workforce and military manpower to be dependent on the mechanicus

[paper haven]

500 more ultramarine updates

[gleaming gale]

How do we make our army of identical faceless troopers more identical to the faceless identical troopers of another popular Sci-Fi setting

[paper haven]

This slop is too concentrated. We gotta water it down more.

[urban spire]

look it's not hard, just refer to the fucking chart

[limpid granite]

Calgar in dreadnought armor

[urban spire]

no you cannot have a searchable version

[civic gale]

....dear lord

[paper haven]

I'm not gonna read that.

[civic gale]

I love this

[urban spire]

lmfao

[gleaming gale]

Can't believe they revealed Commissar Calgar with power claw recently

[paper haven]

Able to do acrobatics.

[urban spire]

i genuinely think that chart is amazing, but i also love it as a punchline

[paper haven]

With two, no three chainswords!

[gleaming gale]

Gabriel Angelos already stole that idea

[civic gale]

Fully zoomed

[paper haven]

Yeah but are the Blood angels even canon anymore?

[vagrant fox]

I hate these guys

[civic gale]

I can't see shit

[paper haven]

If it ain't blue, it ain't true

You think about that.

[civic gale]

Salamanders

[urban spire]

oh discord is doing the shitass thing again, works fine on my end

[storm jungle]

Open in a tab

[vagrant fox]

Simply get a bigger monitor

[civic gale]

I'm on phone ma'am

[gleaming gale]

All marines nowadays are green/whatever colour smurfs so it doesn't matter

[vagrant fox]

my wisdom proven true once again

[civic gale]

Fair

[storm jungle]

then you are cooked

[paper haven]

Although, blood angels were in Space Marine 1.

[gleaming gale]

You want 40k Vulkan mini? Just paint Guilliman green and doing black face

[urban spire]

sometimes discord arbitrarily scrunch a image for no good damn reason