40k-lore-chat

[gleaming gale]

If 1% of painters can pull a good paintjob out of it and the rest looks like dogshit, it might still be a sculpt problem

The fact the abomination I posted is the official team's result doesn't help either

[shadow plover]

No I mean people scoff at sculpts just based on the promo pics when the official 'eavy metal style doesn't really lend itself to realistically painted faces so almost all faces look a bit off

Granted this particular one is the worst offender because it is clearly not painted to the normal standard they have

[gleaming gale]

To be fair, the promo pics are the selling point of deciding on buying a kit most of the time lol

[shadow plover]

Yeah but I'd just hope people would appreciate how much the paint job affects the way a sculpt looks

Here's a personal example of mine

Same head sculpt

[gleaming gale]

Great work

[shadow plover]

Because I think this is one of THE best head sculpts GW has released, but the official promo paint job for it is very unflattering

Thank you

[gleaming gale]

Is the light reflection painted or actual reflection from the lamp?

[shadow plover]

It's painted

on the metallic bits it is also painted, but the light does accentuate it quite a bit

But the picture is taken with multiple light sources so it evens it out

[sterile echo]

One of the biggest things that drives me away from 40K is how the most powerful, autonomous, richest people get there simply by being born and do can do literally whatever they want, completely unbound by any law and with the entire galaxy at their fingertips, with no responsibility, while meanwhile there are countless trillions who are thrown away like trash, who get no memories, no stories, no opportunities, no remembrance, no names.
It's just too dark.

[gleaming gale]

Wait until you learn how it works in our world

[sterile echo]

Cant believe i actually gave this server the benefit of the doubt that someone wouldnt say this stupid shit

[shadow plover]

Well the whole idea of 40k is rooted in extreme cases of the worst things about our existence

[sterile echo]

Uh, No. We remember people, through history. Like, literally everybody, including 25 bumfuk joe who had no parents, no kids, and no friends, and died in a mining accident in 1853
and the rich are, in many cases, very very subject to the law, provided they fail at hiding it. They can't just do all their heinous shit out in the open.

[shadow plover]

it's a terrible terrible world with terrible terrible people

[sterile echo]

Yeah but people say they like 40K as "an escape"

[gleaming gale]

Yeah, just like a felon happening to be the president of the United States and those around him, they totally didn't get away with it

[sterile echo]

That's 1
And he still could go to prison. And he's hiding it. And he has a ton of cult support. Do the nobles have cult support from people who actually like them?

[sterile echo]

Like, why would you want to imagine this universe if it just sucks.

[shadow plover]

interacting with it as an escape is still valid even if a tad misplaced maybe. Probably in a sense that here's a world where it is so much worse that own problems might not be as significant compared to it. If you'd want an escape from the bad things in the world, you'd probably want to find a setting that doesn't focus on those things

[sterile echo]

Misplaced is definitley what i'd call that- that's just making the injustices and oppression in the world more acceptable to yourself.

[shadow plover]

Well I wouldn't put it that far

[sterile echo]

You wouldnt?

[gleaming gale]

Not all settings have to be goody two shoes escapism, 40k shows you how the Imperium sacrificed its humanity to survive a galaxy that wants to destroy everything it stands for

And you know, the whole label that there are no good guys in the setting

[sterile echo]

Yeah, that's a bad thing

[gleaming gale]

You're not supposed to identify with any faction, ideally.

[sterile echo]

And this might be hard for your moral rationalizaation: but i think bad things.. are bad.

[sterile echo]

Like, the Tau, the only good guys until everyone threw a tantrum that there was finally something redeemable about this universe?

[gleaming gale]

Oh yeah, the Tau with the Ethereals totally not mind controlling the population and sterilizing client species

The good guys

[shadow plover]

Interacting with / creating a satirical reality where the worst aspects of the world are highlighted don't automatically mean it makes light of them or accepts them. More so it can be thought of bringing those ideas to the forefront and making the reader/player think more about those injustices and wrong doings of the higher classes

A good bunch of leftist media highlights these issues in such a way

[sterile echo]

If someone has not yet understood the problems and the awful state of the world we're living, they're too far gone.

[sterile echo]

I literally just explained how that was tacked on after grimbabies screeched about it

[gleaming gale]

The Greater Good has always been sketchy, it's not a new thing

From their inception the Tau would be the antagonists of every other sci-fi setting

If you want a Warhammer medium with a genuine glimmer of hope and escapism from the bad juju, Fantasy might be more suited for you

The Empire is an actual decent place for humans

All things considered

[sterile echo]

I'm not interested in what is for me right now... Im interested in how 40K could be for anyone.

[gleaming gale]

So basically rebranding 40k away from everything that makes it 40k

[sterile echo]

No...

Dude

"I'll speak slowly so the words go in"

I
want
to
understand
why
anyone
likes
40k
Or at least is not repulsed by its distasteful and immature setting

[daring creek]

theres a wide variety of reasons

[gleaming gale]

I like blowing up eldritch horrors with ww2 tanks, there's plenty of people into that

[sterile echo]

But how do you get past the abject, very human horrors of the worldbuilding?

[daring creek]

I mean

The Horror genre

thats what people want

[gleaming gale]

Accept the fact the humanity in 40k is a product of its time, shit happens when you rage against the dying of the light, not everything has to be relatable to our present medium

[daring creek]

I like how every race in 40k is supremacist in their own special way with their own weaponry, culture and history

and other fucked up horrors that spawns out of them

[sterile echo]

No, people want to be scared, startled, and creeped out.
If you want to be horrified, like, kept awake at night, cant get the thoughts or images out of head
i sure hope its not a controversial statement to say that something is very wrong with that person, to put it politely.

[gleaming gale]

Plus there's +/- a million worlds in the Imperium where you can totally find people living well from big to small, not every single planet is a dystopian shithole

But the dystopian shitholes make the most interest aspect

[sterile echo]

Who thinks that?

[gleaming gale]

Because it's something out of the norm

Which draws interest

[shadow plover]

It's grimdark and grimdark doesnt work without the small glimmer of hope on the individual level, which also exists in 40k

[sterile echo]

bro HALF OF THE WORLD LIVES IN DYSTOPIAN SHITHOLES

[daring creek]

define "normal" lives.

[sterile echo]

And the other half aint faring so great either!

[daring creek]

Because normal is extremely relative

esp in this case

[sterile echo]

So why are we creating fictions where "normal" is submerged under the sludge of a restaurant dumpster?
This is what i don't get; there's already so much oppression, so much poverty, so much corruption, tyranny, hopelessness- is it not enough already? Why are adding more, and why are we imangining bad futures?

[gleaming gale]

Bad futures make good aesthetics, I suppose, remember at the end of the day all of 40k is just a backdrop to sell plastic space soldiers

Same reason why people are into Cyberpunk where the average Joe is a wage slave to megacorporations

Shit looks cool

[fading bluff]

Because dystopian settings are commentaries on our real world and also big guns go boom

And although it’s more noticeable in the 80’s, Warhammer 40k is also satire. I mean you have space orks who have cockney accents lmfao

[sacred ginkgo]

Ghazghul Mag uruk thracka

[storm jungle]

Wait a fucking minute

[gleaming gale]

According to the recent guide, Gav Thorpe said you should treat it seriously now

[storm jungle]

We literally explained this to you like a month ago

why are we doing this again

[sterile echo]

yeah and maybe i stopped conversing with you for a reason.

[storm jungle]

What

[fading bluff]

I listen to death metal about torturing and dismembering people and also black metal about ritual sacrifice and those are still escapes for me lmao

[storm jungle]

WE LITERALLY DID NOTHING BUT EXPLAIN STUFF TO YOU

lmao

[fading bluff]

I don’t think those are good things obviously

[storm jungle]

to be fair with Death Metal the entire thing is "Haha these are so extreme and silly" isnt it lol

then you meet the band-members and they are like the most kindest human beings ever

[fading bluff]

Yeah but I get the same vibes from warhammer 40k when you have fucking space orks

[storm jungle]

Nah thats literally it

[gleaming gale]

God forbid people liking aspects like duty and sacrifice instead of social injustice in a grimdark setting with scattered glimmers of hope, also, big guns

[storm jungle]

40k's thing is absurdity

"Oh hey russian hussars fighting space orks and dark elves ontop of a ruined mecha-giga-robot"

[fading bluff]

Yeah satisfies the monkey brain and the inner child in me really

[storm jungle]

^

Its literally just mashing toys together

[fading bluff]

Also despite the internet assholes I’ve met a lot of really nice and cool people from warhammer 40k

[storm jungle]

40k is also a cautionary tale as per GW, but the message is not too deep, its just... well you know, dont be a nazi lol

[sterile echo]

No you absolutely did not, all 8 of you except like 1 were incredibly rude, dismissive, invalidating, treated me like an idiot, and talked down to me the entire time.
Howabout im doing this again because im perplexed and conflicted and hoping to meet some actually polite people this time, which i have?

[storm jungle]

We literally did not and you are making this up.

[fading bluff]

I have the mechanicus symbol on my car because it’s a shitbox and I hope that keeps it running

[storm jungle]

We just kept telling you these exact same points, you even apologised for being so direct about it then just left for some reason.

You just never listened to anything we said and just kept pressing the same points as people grew frustrated.

[shadow plover]

https://youtu.be/VchkiTUisu8?t=422
Abnett puts it pretty well in this interview about how there's no Hope in the setting for a reason but there still can be hope in the individual level, time stamped.

[sterile echo]

Because your points never made sense. You kept repeating them because i was deconstructing them. You didnt have answers.

[storm jungle]

....

[sacred ginkgo]

Can either of you cite this so anyone else can give a less biased verdict

[sterile echo]

i sure haven't.

[fading bluff]

What appeals about Warhammer 40k to me is the absolute absurdity and epic scale. Yeah, the setting would suck to live in but it’s funny to me to hear about the terrible shit like radioactive sludge turning people in the lower hive into mutants. I’ll read that and think “McDonalds moment”

[storm jungle]

^

We also said this. A lot.

[sterile echo]

Well it's not so absurd to me.

[storm jungle]

Okay and how is that our fault exactly

like, what do you want us to say?

[scenic trout]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1478272295238766773/caption.gif

[forest orbit]

If you dont like 40k just go into Warhammer Fantasy or Age of Sigmar, also very peak settings with actual good guys.

[storm jungle]

Sigmar my goat

[scenic trout]

Hello, can we delete this channel? (I have no idea whats going on)

[storm jungle]

Maybe later

[scenic trout]

Not later Dilara, it is right now

[gleaming gale]

My brother in the Emperor, you came up with the holier than thou attitude and can't accept the fact that not every setting has to be about class solidarity or whatever you're trying to preach and not everyone is into that, people can be into 40k because of cool guns and ships or fucking demons from another dimension, or the inner works of how a corrupt feudalistic system works, all are valid points for being into 40k

[sterile echo]

I already mentioned that's not relevent to my interrogation of the subject.

[forest orbit]

It very much is.

If you just dont want to like 40k after all these explanations then sorry but idk what you want people to say man.

[fading bluff]

If I’m going off your name, I’m a leftist too, and dystopia is enjoyable to me precisely because we live in a shitty world. Maybe that makes me crazy lol. I just see it as an exaggeration of how things can go

I’m also a huge fan of Dune

[storm jungle]

Nah thats literally what it is

[fading bluff]

Which is even more bizarre than Warhammer 40k imo

[storm jungle]

GW made an entire statement on how 40k is "cautionary tale"

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/1Xpzeld6/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not/

[sacred ginkgo]

I think dune rates as more realistic

[shadow plover]

all of 40k is a counter-culture reaction to the fascist 80s Britain

[sacred ginkgo]

Theres no actual magic or demons

Well

[storm jungle]

^

[fading bluff]

There is magic

[scenic trout]

Never change 40K, never change

[sacred ginkgo]

Very little actual magic

[sterile echo]

But dune ends with HOPE.
A... strange and debatable hope, but at least the attitude was there

[sacred ginkgo]

Forgot about mr dib

[shadow plover]

How does Dune end with Hope

[gleaming gale]

Yeah, the hope where the chosen guy leads a religious war that kills billions

[sacred ginkgo]

Dune ends with a Jihad what

[storm jungle]

40k is not exactly great satire as its hyper-focused on corporate mandates but its still satire with the themes it explores and mocking fascism as awhole i nsome areas

me when Planetary Governor Trumpus nukes promethium fields

[sterile echo]

The unspoken part here is that i really want to be saying "well maybe all of you should think about world more and cough up some empathy and compassion", but i've been stopping myself because im trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, on principle.
Every single response and question i've made here is me choosing not to say that because i want to be kind and have hope there's more to it than that. I am going into this, assuming myself to be the fool here.

[gleaming gale]

What if I don't want to

[storm jungle]

No one is saying you are a fool man

like- again I really dont know what you want us to tell you

40k is absurdist nonsense

the evil shit is what makes it funny

[queen laurel]

We're just saying what you want in 40K is just fundamentally not gonna fit in there it's a setting where everything goes wrong nothing is great nothing is happy

[storm jungle]

thats it

it aint that deep

[queen laurel]

exactly i want to watch orks build a giant gun

[gleaming gale]

People are allowed to have different tastes and opinions, you're the one making it a me vs you contest

[storm jungle]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

No one here has attacked you for anything.

[fading bluff]

The setting needs to be dark to allow endless war

[storm jungle]

You are the one getting needlessly agitated.

[queen laurel]

One of the things in this setting is literally kill the mutant but not those mutants with three eyes we need them to travel around

[storm jungle]

Also this. Endless war exists so people can do games with their toy armies lol

[sterile echo]

And now you guys are doing it again, overloading me with responses that i cant possibly reply to in full.

[sacred ginkgo]

I ❤️ watching a metal spider that was once a person throw hordes of lobotomized slaves at Skin-Eater the Terror-Sower

[storm jungle]

its a public channel

what do you want us to do

[fading bluff]

That’s just the nature of group chats

[queen laurel]

we're all literally saying the same thing

like

[fading bluff]

I guess I’m wondering what you want out of this conversation

[scenic trout]

God forbid people to have fun in a overly exaggerated and nonsense franchise where the most stupid shit can happen but still have a laugh at it

[gleaming gale]

Me when Warlord Rapegore Childmuncher isn't a commentary on the social injustice of the Amazon union workers

[sacred ginkgo]

Maybe he is

[queen laurel]

me watching Gorenar Face and spine Ripper eat a family of five people I don't know why he did it apparently he just does it for the love of the game

[misty vector]

this lowkey happens in apostle

[storm jungle]

one of my favorite parts of 40k is that Megamind gif always happening constantly

https://klipy.com/gifs/chemistry-meme-megamind

[scenic trout]

[shadow plover]

https://klipy.com/gifs/mega-man-1

this gif

[storm jungle]

average agri-world when Death Guard attacks

[queen laurel]

my brother in christ you do not need the death guard for that

[storm jungle]

mfw industrial farming

[rocky gale]

Imp stans when I tell them Agri worlds aren't planet sized Idaho corn mazes

https://tenor.com/view/attack-on-titan-ymir-fritz-aot-crying-set-free-gif-24793405

[scenic bolt]

pleasure worlds mean great working conditions for the serfs

[storm jungle]

Pleasure Worlds are all literally Epstein's Island too

🥀

[gleaming gale]

Release the Fulgrim Dataslates

[storm jungle]

Fulgrim? Bro look at the shit "normal" nobles do first 💀

[fading bluff]

Walking tanks
Nuns with guns
Cockney orks
Mecha weebs
Hungry bugs
IT department
Metal skeletons
Elves
Elves in a BDSM club
Manlets…

How can you not find this absurdly enjoyable

[sacred ginkgo]

Why, Fulgrim is showing that shit off himself

[scenic trout]

This all looks insulting to me

[scenic bolt]

the only difference between a slaaneshi cultist and imp noble is what the piles of golden skulls signify

[gleaming gale]

Mfw the peasant starts complaining about 26 hours work shifts so I lowkey turn his newborn into a cherub

[queen laurel]

average ork racial slur lists

[gleaming gale]

Don't forget the umies pulling green face

[sacred ginkgo]

Got an actual digganobz box in recently

And a bunch of other old ass orks stuff

[sterile echo]

What i want is either to actually be given sound reasoning for my questions or for someone to admit that i may be morally and consciously superior.
The second option might sound arrogant, but im not looking for one option more than the other. just... an option please.
I have discarded 7 responses to other points as to not be petty.

[gleaming gale]

My lord, those are space wolves who have succumbed to their vile geneseed!

[fervent geode]

NO. digganobz…

[sterile echo]

And hey hey- listen, i have autsim. i could spend an hour rewriting that and i would never figure out what way would sound less blunt.

[gleaming gale]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-19410756

[fading bluff]

I had to renew my groundcar registration but the administratum said the wait is 625 years

[sacred ginkgo]

What even was your question

[fervent geode]

If I was a Grey Knight I’d want to be killed with hammers too

[gleaming gale]

You are correct, grandmaster. They are, indeed, digganobz.

[fervent geode]

Hate those silver fucks

[storm jungle]

Why people enjoy 40k even tho its super-ultra depressing

[sacred ginkgo]

Cause its fun

[storm jungle]

We tried explaining it 10 times and also the same way a month ago

[fervent geode]

Because I love spreading plagues to innocent peoples

[sacred ginkgo]

Idk

[gleaming gale]

He got given a novella worth of reasons and he doesn't like them

[sacred ginkgo]

Cool guys with shoot guns

Pretty miniatures

[queen laurel]

Giant war machines going at it like the Pacific rim

[fervent geode]

Again my superior Barbarun Instinct prevails

[rocky gale]

On some planets people juggle geese for fun

Who can say

[sterile echo]

very funny way of saying i explained why they didnt work

[fading bluff]

I don’t think enjoying grimdark fantasy/scifi is indicative of morality

[sterile echo]

How can something super-ulta-depressing be fun?

[fervent geode]

I like watching the mass destruction of societies

[gleaming gale]

And I don't care, you asked why I'm interested and I told you why

[sacred ginkgo]

By not reading too far into it

[forest orbit]

I have discarded 7 responses to other points as to not be petty.

i want is either to actually be given sound reasoning for my questions or for someone to admit that i may be morally and consciously superior.

???????????

[sacred ginkgo]

Like

[fading bluff]

Because absurdity is funny and interesting to me

[gleaming gale]

Stop moving goal posts

[sacred ginkgo]

I know that this dudes armor killed 43 people to make

But it looks cool

[queen laurel]

This is like getting mad why do people like comics It doesn't have any interesting things it's just all superpowers and this stuff and you know how this guy looks cool throwing around the car

[fervent geode]

Because I enjoy playing the tabletop game

[queen laurel]

My brother in Christ that's the point of comics

You do not take it seriously

[sacred ginkgo]

If you personally do not enjoy the setting then don't interact with it

You'd save yourself a lot of headache the way this has been going

[fading bluff]

Do you not enjoy horror movies or thrillers?

[scenic trout]

Idk about you but they sound like a socialist protester

[gleaming gale]

From what I'm reading so far he doesn't like 40k and is apparently mad other people do and can't comprehend reasons outside his own

[sterile echo]

guys, its joke.

[fervent geode]

Kill 8 trillion people with plagues

[sterile echo]

Im not mad.. yet
though im feeling perhaps maybe i should be. Im putting alot of energy into putting that aside.

[scenic trout]

guys, its sarcasm

https://tenor.com/view/mudskipper-look-gif-21873775

[gleaming gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1321239273818816512/1457252569004118096/attachment-3.gif

[scenic trout]

dont take pictures of my chud son like that

[fading bluff]

I’m autistic too and virus bombing planets is my special interest

[fervent geode]

https://tenor.com/view/plague-marine-warhammer40k-chaos-space-marine-death-guard-nurgle-gif-16743287

[scenic trout]

[fervent geode]

Real and true

[queen laurel]

My favorite are literally orcs which are irredeemable warmongering monsters but do you see me complaining about them not being any more interesting hell no

[scenic trout]

Nuking planets with full populations in fiction is fun

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-millenium-falcon-explosion-explode-flames-gif-4289251

[rocky gale]

I dunno, the idea of considering oneself "morally or consciously superior" is inherently a supremacist mindset and antithetical to Socialist ideology

[queen laurel]

I like watching them build shit and fuck around

[fading bluff]

Orks are arguably living in a utopia

[scenic trout]

[shadow plover]

I've explained at least three times now that it is a counter-culture thing in reaction to 80s British fascism as a cautionary tale, I don't know what else you want from us

[scenic trout]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

FAAAHHHH

[scenic trout]

So called freedom speech right as you talk shit to a country

[fading bluff]

They even had orks behead Thatcher in a white dwarf issue lmao

[sterile echo]

How is critizing the problems in your reasoning moving the goalposts?
Also, you "dont care" about the faults in your reasoning? Why should i entertain your imput at all, then?

[queen laurel]

We literally hammered to your head what we told you why the setting is popular to people what do more do you want

[fervent geode]

What’s even the goal post atp

[sacred ginkgo]

Have we any of us considered just

Not engaging anymore

Nothing is happening

[storm jungle]

"Why do people like 40k its just sad and depressing"

[scenic trout]

I am enganging with the chat

let me have fun

[fervent geode]

Because there’s good books and a fun tabletop game

[queen laurel]

Honestly yeah it's like trying to shoot a wall that nullifies any physical attack with ballistic weapons it's not going to go anywhere

[gleaming gale]

Bro if I told you I like running over an alien with a Leman Russ it doesn't mean I need to think into detail how the engine of the tank works

[queen laurel]

I have never seen someone have their head be thicker than andamantium, well there are a few

[fervent geode]

I may not actually want to virus bomb 8 trillion people irl

[rocky gale]

Some people enjoy being hit in the testicles, despite being hit in the testicles being an objectively unpleasant experience. These things happen

It is the nature of humanity

[scenic trout]

https://tenor.com/view/wesker-albert-albert-wesker-resident-evil-dead-by-daylight-gif-26418149

[storm jungle]

WESKER MY GOAT

PLEASE COME BACK

[gleaming gale]

7 virus bombs is all I can spare

[fervent geode]

🫡 sigma identified

[fading bluff]

You’re not morally superior for not liking Warhammer 40k lol. Plenty of scumbags only enjoy wholesome media lmao

[storm jungle]

Tbh I feel like I achieved golconda and spiritual release when i realised why should I feel sad for any Imperial dying or getting mass-murdered in a story because they are all genocidal nazis lmao

it makes stories way more fun to read that way because i feel nothing for these imperial characters

[sacred ginkgo]

Them just being goons helps so much

[storm jungle]

^

[queen laurel]

Same too why should I genuinely feel bad for orcs being emotionally shallow and nothing more than warmongering monsters when watching them stab someone in the groin and then kick the blade deeper into the groin is very much funny

[storm jungle]

Most Imperials in books would shoot me IRL for having a different opinion, watching them get killed by aliens is what makes it funny

[sacred ginkgo]

You get to laugh when the main character just gets pasted by a landmine 300 pages in

[gleaming gale]

15 hours moment

[fervent geode]

I don’t feel bad when Death Guard die their insane hell ends for a while lol

[storm jungle]

"SURELY my bigotry will save me."

• Commissar Gestapofried before he got pinned to his leman russ and was flayed alive

[fervent geode]

Raaahh hate -Commissar Jenkins about to be stabbed by 10 Orks

[gleaming gale]

"Surely MY faction has the moral high ground, I flay children alive for a purpose, instead of the other faction who flays children alive for sport!"

[sterile echo]

But like, if its backed with evidence? of which im currently receiving?
Listen: If i am adverse to even fictional depictions of evil, corruption, cruelty, etc. would that not make me more inclined and predisposed to make virtuous choices and to stand up against evil, and more in touch and critically thinking about the world?
You say i'm "in my own head" but the head is where, like, thought is
and knowledge, and wisdom, and philsophy, and morals...
Should i need be very concerned and engaed in those topics?

[storm jungle]

Again

Age of Sigmar and WHF exist

and they are arguably even better settings for this exact reason due to having actual good guys

[sacred ginkgo]

Why be axiomatically opposed to fictional suffering

[storm jungle]

^

[fading bluff]

Morality is determined by material actions not thoughts

[storm jungle]

like you can just say you dont like it

thats COMPLETELY understandable

[sacred ginkgo]

Like genuinely I'm curious

[storm jungle]

arguing against why "its bad" is kinda pointless

[sacred ginkgo]

I want to know cause I think your reasons would be interesting

[queen laurel]

God this reminds me of a couple of people aye Dilara

[gleaming gale]

They did what?

[queen laurel]

Sorry I'm stupid

[sacred ginkgo]

Ehhh

[queen laurel]

Hold on let me correct it

[sacred ginkgo]

Highly debatable

[sterile echo]

But thats not what this is about.

[storm jungle]

[sterile echo]

strong disagree.

[fervent geode]

[fading bluff]

Morality isn’t universal so that’s just my opinion

[sacred ginkgo]

Then what is it about
You keep losing your own point

[sterile echo]

Im trying to understand other people.

Is that a crime? a succulent chinese crime?

[sacred ginkgo]

Every time someone makes a counter argument you go into semantics and instantly lose any ground

[queen laurel]

Then why we already told you?

[fervent geode]

Understand what atp

[sacred ginkgo]

What

The hell is "succulent Chinese crime" supposed to mean

[fervent geode]

It’s an Aussie joke

[sacred ginkgo]

You're gonna have to explain this one

[fervent geode]

Some bloke got arrested while having a succulent Chinese meal

[scenic trout]

buzzword type shit

[fervent geode]

And he made it very clear he was angry about his meal being interrupted

[storm jungle]

its a meme lol

[fading bluff]

Just get into utopian fiction and let me enjoy evil shit with immaculate drip and walking cathedrals

[gleaming gale]

I think we got longconned into a circlejerk by this guy, that's about it

[sacred ginkgo]

Never heard of it before

Neat

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/q4bPMxeCnos

"GET YOUR HAND OFF MY PENIS"

[fervent geode]

Amazing man

I welcome him to have a meal in Taiwan

[fading bluff]

I would prefer to live in a Star Trek future but prefer to play in a Warhammer 40k future

[gleaming gale]

"Bro we're totally gonna be Space Marines!"

[sterile echo]

Maybe its just a gut reaction.
Because i have compassion, and empathy, and i think bad things are bad.

[storm jungle]

Bruh

[fervent geode]

We’re gonna be Mortarion’s top guys

[sacred ginkgo]

Is this a fuckin monty python sketch

[storm jungle]

are you saying we dont have compassion and empathy

💀

[fervent geode]

We do?????

[sacred ginkgo]

I also think bad things are bad
But I am capable of abstracting fiction from reality

[fading bluff]

I mean I have compassion and empathy too lmao one reason I’m not a fan of a certain country

[gleaming gale]

The state I found bro in:

[fervent geode]

He’s in the Garden now🙏

[fading bluff]

Nothing like a good stretch before battle

[sterile echo]

I mean... yeah, you say you do

[sacred ginkgo]

See

Tangent

[storm jungle]

Bro, we arent monsters for enjoying 40k 💀

[gleaming gale]

You are literally worse than Hitler rn

[storm jungle]

[sacred ginkgo]

You could massively improve the strength of your arguments if you stuck to one chain of argument instead of hopping around

[fervent geode]

They figured out that we are the evil ass chaos cult chat

[sterile echo]

And yeah, i guess im just mentally rarted in all of your eyes. thanks guys. because its totally not hard enough to be dealing with these thoughts.

[civic gale]

confusion about flesh eaters, they whole shtick is gossip from what the lexicanum says

[sacred ginkgo]

I don't think you're stupid I just don't think its an issue to care so much about

[sterile echo]

I wouldnt have to hop around if there wasnt a fallacious or insulting argument every 3 seconds or so..

[sacred ginkgo]

Then ignore them

[gleaming gale]

Tell me this is all ragebait

[sacred ginkgo]

They don't continue if you don't give them reason to

[gleaming gale]

It has to be ragebait

[fervent geode]

I think their stuff is from the Codex viewpoint

[storm jungle]

WE LITERALLY HAVENT INSULTED YOU IN THE LAST 40M

😭

[sterile echo]

You really think it is so ridiculous to think critically about things? about morality?

[civic gale]

drama? in my lore chat? unacceptable

[fervent geode]

So I’d say that it’s probably true, and well it’s in the name.

[storm jungle]

Yeah we dont have concrete lore if they are actual cannibals or not

[sacred ginkgo]

You either end up with quarter effective responses to 4 comments or effective responses to 1 argument

[storm jungle]

but assume they are since... THEY ARE NAMED FLESH EATERS

[shadow plover]

I'm afraid this is just a bad case of autism and not really done in malice

[storm jungle]

^

They did this exact same thing a month ago

[fading bluff]

Yeah. I’m autistic too and definitely a “justice for everyone” autistic but still can separate reality from fantasy I guess

[fervent geode]

We recently discovered we are all evil people with no empathy among other things

Nothing new to me

[civic gale]

im just trying to find a chapter for my reiver that actually looks good

[gleaming gale]

Can we just settle the matter people can like stuff in 40k without doing a deep dive why Manufactorum Worker nr. 40 gorillion accepts his condition?

[civic gale]

i just praise the omnissiah and the recaff god idk whats going on here

[sacred ginkgo]

Morality is a worthwhile discussion, but applying morality to the point of advocacy against fictional settings that aren't actively offensive is a bit of a waste of time

[fervent geode]

Hey, Novamarines

[civic gale]

novamarines?

[fervent geode]

Warp happenings

[fervent geode]

Look em up trust

[sacred ginkgo]

You can recognize that 40k is a terrible dark universe
But trying to fight that is worth nothing

[gleaming gale]

You are forcing a debate on 40k like it's a real thing

[fading bluff]

My coworker complained he couldn’t work fast enough so they replaced his hands with robot hands

[civic gale]

i am

[sterile echo]

I dont like looking like a fool. i want to be taken seriously and show that i have to have a single inarguable point put against me.
If you're really curious about me, you can DM me. fuck knows i wish for someone to actually attempt to understand me.

[fading bluff]

This conversation feels circular though

[fervent geode]

Void boarding combat is the cool ass shit I dreamt of as a kid

[sacred ginkgo]

Because it is

[storm jungle]

^

[gleaming gale]

There were several inarguable points put against you and you ignore them or twist the subject again

[sterile echo]

fuck.

[storm jungle]

We are going around in circles yeah

[gleaming gale]

Case closed

[storm jungle]

Anyway Flesh Eaters

https://klipy.com/gifs/inyawnzz-omprazol-2

[sacred ginkgo]

Its just 1 am and I'm waiting for my laundry

[civic gale]

@fervent geode my problem with it is the chest and mask, nothing beisdes ultra ones feels good to look at

[storm jungle]

The mask is peak goof

[sterile echo]

I was not saying anyone was calling me a fool, although many certainly are. I was saying that each of my points and responses were giving everyone the benefit of the doubt.
I do not understand how evil can be funny.
If nothing is great and nothing is happy i do not see how it serves a positive purpose.
thinking murder is okay is also technically a difference in taste and opinion, that doesnt make it equal.
Endless war is perfectly achievable with a half evil, half virtuous universe.
40k is not nonsensical or ridiculous to me.

[fervent geode]

Hmm maybe Iron Hands lmao

[civic gale]

tis the default one

[civic gale]

thats my techmarine

[storm jungle]

yeah I know lmao

[sterile echo]

I did not ignore them. I let them go as to not be too petty.

[fervent geode]

Exorcists, their book is about a Reiver sergeant

Would be fitting

[sacred ginkgo]

A hopeless universe serves positive value as a cautionary tale
This is the basis of satire

[gleaming gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167902872537673738/1308448533107572796/pot-of-greed-pot.gif

[civic gale]

fair, then what do i make of this guy?

[fervent geode]

He looks good as it is ngl

[fading bluff]

@sterile echo I’m curious do you enjoy horror movies

[fervent geode]

Maybe put that omnissian red on a shoulder

[civic gale]

tis a thing with me where i dont like to have repeated stuff

[fervent geode]

Fairs

[sterile echo]

The way i see it, the only people who need such a warning will never be able to comprehend it.

[celest dome]

🚬

[sacred ginkgo]

Fair point

[civic gale]

my tactical is ultramarine
assault is white scar
vanguard (discussing it)
bulwark dark angel
sniper is a raptor
heavy is a salamander (my beloved chapter)
and techmarine is ironhands

[fervent geode]

Hmm

Or any Bangle

[civic gale]

bangle seems more fitting

[fervent geode]

You already have a raptor I see

[sacred ginkgo]

Though such a warning can help reinforce belief in people who are receptive to it

[civic gale]

the sniper yeh, the class with the invis mechanic lul

[fervent geode]

Bangles look cool

[fervent geode]

Fair lol wraith slip

[fading bluff]

Warhammer 40k gave us this badass shit case closed

https://youtu.be/sHhCpwTAXSA?si=y6xeNiLE6VeEfRvE

[civic gale]

whut now

[fervent geode]

Wdym

Wraith slipping?

[storm jungle]

Probably the best take

(because its true lmao)

but we still need to keep up the message

[gleaming gale]

I mean the first page of every 40k novel is telling you that

[storm jungle]

Yeah and unfortunately some people still dont get it

but its still there

for us sane people to beat the idiots over the head with it

and thats more than you can say for some stuff thankfully

[civic gale]

im talking about cameleoline cloack

unless im confusing stuff

[celest dome]

Just because they're too stupid to understand it doesn't mean we can have fun and do it

[fervent geode]

Those idiots generally don’t read

[civic gale]

thats what makes em invis in game

[fervent geode]

Oh that lol, yeah camo for that

[civic gale]

i even got the beak helmet

[fervent geode]

Raptors use it

[fervent geode]

Nice

[gleaming gale]

"I get my lore from youtube shorts"

[fervent geode]

[civic gale]

this cloak is better but i dont have it so i run the basic one

[gleaming gale]

Bricky and Majorkill have done irreparable damage to the community

[fervent geode]

I See, hmm yeah that looks good

[storm jungle]

god I hate Bricky so much

"HEY GUYS LET ME YAP ABOUT MY GOONER MERCH FOR 10m"

SHUT UP

[paper haven]

The hell is happening in here?

[sterile echo]

Modern ones? Fuck no. They're nothing but pornography of human suffering made for psychosadists.

[storm jungle]

LOL

thats an insult to Horror as a genre

[fervent geode]

No idea anymore

[gleaming gale]

So, say, people who enjoy them are future serial killers and should be institutionalized, yes?

[sterile echo]

Maybe. I wish literally anybody was open to talking about it.

[paper haven]

I thought Hereditary was a pretty good horror movie

[storm jungle]

I mean your argument itself is already wrong though

horror movies are not Hostel/SAW

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah

theres thousands of thought provoking good horror movies

its not gore-slop

[civic gale]

this is a good vanguard chest piece....but 32 more missiosn tho

[celest dome]

Were old horror movies and books not also "pornogrqphy of human suffering ?

[sacred ginkgo]

Maybe not thousands

[storm jungle]

Correct

[storm jungle]

Trust me, thousands.

[sacred ginkgo]

Too many qualifiers there

[fervent geode]

Soon trust

[storm jungle]

Theres like way too many experimental non gore-slop horror movies

[paper haven]

No they absolutely were but those don't really survive the test of time

[storm jungle]

Horror itself has dozens of sub-genres

Comedy, Dramas, etc

[celest dome]

It was rethorical, I've watched a lot of old horror and some are gruesome (more so on what they had the actor do)

[sacred ginkgo]

Got any recommendations then

[fading bluff]

Midsommar

[sacred ginkgo]

Heard that before

[gleaming gale]

A serbian movie

[paper haven]

The whole "Old X is better" thing only really exists because only the good stuff sticks around. Slop exists eternally.

[sacred ginkgo]

I would like stuff with minimal gore stuff cause I'm pretty squeamish

[celest dome]

I know 1 worse
||Salo, or the 100 day of Sodom||

[sacred ginkgo]

Confetti gore doesn't bother me but watching someone get stitches is NOT ok for whatever reason
(I know the reason)

[civic gale]

could also just use dlc space wolves shit but....idk feels like cheating, despite looking pretty cool

[brave owl]

That is a crazy take considering older horror movies often featured the R word in them

I just got baited hard lol

[fervent geode]

Hey, if it’s cool js roll with it imo

[sterile echo]

So glad you asked.
Older horror movies, where the acting is bad, the effects are bad, the gore is generally shyed away from, the deaths are goofy (not just "ridicuous", ie a guy getting his head punched off and flying into a bin), victims are made out to be at least partially guilty, the killer always gets defeated in the end, deaths are quick and with little struggle, screaming, or actual, yknow, suffering? i find.. acceptable. Not good that they have so many of the victims be essentially teenagers, but.. acceptable.

[fading bluff]

I’m not a fan of gore fest or super sadistic horror movies myself but I don’t think someone who enjoys them is a bad person for doing so

[paper haven]

I recall one horror movie where the first half was the graphic violation of a woman. The second half was her revenge.

[civic gale]

question to y'all, do spacewolves actually use this type of stuff?

[brave owl]

Evil Dead

The original

for one

[fervent geode]

Yeah they do

[sterile echo]

Can we not fucking talk about examples please? i feel sick enough.

[storm jungle]

Misery, Midsommar, Longlegs, Late Night with the Devil, NOPE, Blair Witch, Malignant, Candyman, Cooties, Doctor Sleep, The Shining, Hereditary, The VVitch

[brave owl]

Alien, if you wanna count the impregnation from the aliens

[fervent geode]

Seconded on The Shining

[brave owl]

Species

[celest dome]

I think you're only parsing through very few horrors.
Hell, more so the horror that is mainstream

[storm jungle]

Yeah but thats hot

[brave owl]

Kinda Species I guess

[paper haven]

Alien is pretty good.

[storm jungle]

I mean uh what

[civic gale]

damn

[fading bluff]

old Italian horror movies are FUCKED

[brave owl]

The Hills have eyes

[paper haven]

I appreciate the small scale

[civic gale]

[brave owl]

probably others

[storm jungle]

Thats always the charm though.

Literally every point you listed is why some people love those old horror movies

[gleaming gale]

So basically it ain't worth watching if it's not running off a Scooby Doo plot premise?

[storm jungle]

LOL

yeah like im sorry im not watching the OG Dracula for some spiritual message, im watching it because Lugosi is peak

https://klipy.com/gifs/rise-psychic

[fading bluff]

My empathy is actually why I enjoy horror movies because I put myself into the shoes of the victims and get scared or disturbed lol

[storm jungle]

bro invented aura farming

[brave owl]

nosferatu had necrophillia in it I think

[storm jungle]

Yeah tho its not really shown

at this point its kinda nitpicking

[brave owl]

yeah

[sacred ginkgo]

Me trying to hex my cat into not being a fat stupid bitch (affectionate)

[paper haven]

Which dracula had the anatomically correct suit of armor?

[storm jungle]

Bram Stokers Dracula

that armor is so iconic it made its way into 40k

thats how peak it is

[paper haven]

That one was fun

[fervent geode]

Gary Oldman?

[shadow plover]

Bam be Strokin

[sacred ginkgo]

Wdym anatomically correct

[storm jungle]

Yep

[civic gale]

dilara simpin (jk

[storm jungle]

flayed muscle look

[celest dome]

Muscle look

[fervent geode]

That shit was peak

[storm jungle]

that armor design invented that aesthetic

[celest dome]

Like that Blood Angel

[storm jungle]

it was made by some japanese female designer

so no wonder its peak

[gleaming gale]

I'm Stoking my Dracula til I Bram

[civic gale]

thoughts?

[fading bluff]

MY MASTER HAS PROMISED TO MAKE ME IMMORTAL

[storm jungle]

Lmao fucking Renfield

[brave owl]

but yeah, old horror movies were pretty sadomasochistic too, if we're gonna go there

[sacred ginkgo]

Huh

Thats kinda fun

Not my favorite but its neat

[storm jungle]

like i said, Horror is endless in its genres

[sterile echo]

Why the fuck do you want to be disturbed. this is what gets me. what life of pure extacy must you be living to desire being horrified and scarred?

[storm jungle]

Because its not something we ever experience IRL

[sacred ginkgo]

Also, I cannot help but be reminded of the fuckin White Dragon helmet

[storm jungle]

its exhilirating and entertaining

[paper haven]

Since someone is arguing that they were goofy and unrealistic, I suppose are.

[storm jungle]

this is like asking

"WHY DO WE WATCH ANY MOVIES"

[civic gale]

well....i think thats all my space marines covered

[brave owl]

guys, why do we experience life when we could have nothing

[fading bluff]

Some people base jump for the feeling

[brave owl]

I mean, I'd like to die

🙂

[paper haven]

You do know that you can just watch something and enjoy it without picking it apart and psychoanalyzing it right?

[shadow plover]

I am deadly afraid of deep water and monstrous under water cratures, yet Subnautica is my favourite game of all time

[storm jungle]

^

[sacred ginkgo]

Curry and shwarma

[gleaming gale]

It apparently is controversial to watch a horror movie unless the antagonist is a vampire pulling the most stereotypical romanian accent and laughing like Mr. Krabs

[sterile echo]

You didnt read the whole thing, did you? I knew you havent been paying attention to anything i've said.

[brave owl]

Thalassophobia is such a peak fear bro

[storm jungle]

Jaws made me afraid of the ocean yet it also made me look up how sharks work and what fascinating cool and gentle creatures they are that we murder en-masse lol

[fervent geode]

Hummus

[brave owl]

Fucking Dead Zone

[rocky gale]

I'd consider an inability to entertain evil in a fictional setting a moral failing rather than a virtue. It shows a failure of empathy and rationality to some degree.

[storm jungle]

I have been. I think its more you that cant pay any attention to stuff we say.

[paper haven]

That movie did horrific damage

[brave owl]

The Dead zone, where theres nothing underneath you

[storm jungle]

YEP

[brave owl]

is the scariest shit ever

[storm jungle]

Fuck that 💀

[paper haven]

Great movie, but God damn

[sacred ginkgo]

Sharks on their way to murder less things then stuff we keep in our houses and let sleep on top of us

[storm jungle]

Real.

Leave my homeboys be

https://klipy.com/gifs/thank-you-shark

[sacred ginkgo]

Rotate them

[gleaming gale]

https://tenor.com/view/get-rotated-get-rotated-idiot-rotate-rotation-shark-gif-24511062

[fading bluff]

Yeah the Carcharodons are peaceful

[paper haven]

Of course, a shark will eat you

[sacred ginkgo]

Thank you

[paper haven]

They eat everything

[brave owl]

I fucking love Sharks

[fervent geode]

Sharks fun

[paper haven]

They're just not like, malicious or specifically out to get you, a human person

[fervent geode]

Luv me Blahaj

[brave owl]

some guy: "Like, why do you love sharks? When they can eat you?"

[storm jungle]

Literally 99% of shark attacks are them confusing people for other animals or seals lol

[paper haven]

Or robots? Apparently?

[fading bluff]

It’s not sharks fault their equivalent of a hand is their mouth

[paper haven]

I think it was Jaws 2 that made it a robot

[sacred ginkgo]

I still don't own one

[brave owl]

Speaking of robots

[storm jungle]

nah Jaws 2 was also a normal shark

that was just evil for some reason LOL

[brave owl]

yall remember Jason Voorhees in space

LUL

[storm jungle]

"IT HUNTS OUR FAMILY"

[gleaming gale]

'But have you considered the inherently flawed inner workings of your mind because you like sharks?'

[fervent geode]

Get one soon trust you will not regret it

[storm jungle]

JASON X

[paper haven]

Oh ok.

[storm jungle]

PEAK MENTIONED

[brave owl]

XD

[storm jungle]

Thats the example of a great slasher

[shadow plover]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jaws-3-quality

[storm jungle]

does not take itself seriously at all

[shadow plover]

OO WATCH OUT

[civic gale]

the shark who chewed on an optic fiber cable be looking at the bots rather weirdly

[paper haven]

Jason X is actually the only Jason movie I have ever seen

[storm jungle]

based

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah ik it would just mean taking a half hour-45 min drive to get one

[storm jungle]

Jason X is so fucking funny

[paper haven]

Freddy vs Jason doesn't count

[brave owl]

I haven't see n the whole movie, but I distinctly remember the naked virtual women that Jason tried to murder by putting them in sleeping bags and throwing them around

[storm jungle]

the part where he stuffs girls into sleeping bags and smashes them against a tree as they go "OW OW OW" is great

[fading bluff]

The machinations of my mind are an enigma

[shadow plover]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jason-sleeping-bag

[fading bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-drooling-patrick-star-spongebob-movie-drooling-slime-gif-525340425450564005

[civic gale]

i only like jason due to the iconic hokey mask

[paper haven]

That's not actually a movie and is instead a mass hallucination that we can see on a video screen

[storm jungle]

Yeah the scientist crew trap him temporarily in a VR program of camp crystal lake and make those girls

[civic gale]

sorry

[storm jungle]

and the girls are like

[brave owl]

sex meee

[storm jungle]

"WE ARE SO HORNY DUMB TEENAGERS, I HOPE YOU DONT KILL US!"

perfect bait for Jason

bro had no idea

[civic gale]

wait

[brave owl]

so stupid haha

[paper haven]

The perfect simulation

[storm jungle]

it being stupid is why its great, i love it

[brave owl]

oh for sure

[storm jungle]

the movie is pure camp

they literally rebuild Jason accidentally from nanomacihnes, its insane

[civic gale]

so jason is a simp? and cuz he cant be with em he kills em?

[paper haven]

Wasn't. Didn't he specifically go after people who were having sex?

Or was that just how it happened to play out?

[civic gale]

ciname reasons imo

[storm jungle]

Hes just a hater

[storm jungle]

thats more a trope

the movie makes fun of it

[gleaming gale]

Yeah, but why do you love it?

[civic gale]

[storm jungle]

Jason does it for the love of the game

[paper haven]

I respect Jason more if he's just a hater

[brave owl]

Do you remember this movie, where its like these nerds are making a video game, and an evil NPC gets stuck in the like metal suit thing. But before that they try to rig the model by having a naked prostitute jump infront of them because they are horny nerdsd

[paper haven]

Doing it for the love of the game

[storm jungle]

FUCK I KNOW THIS ONE

I forgot its name AAA

[brave owl]

i forgot it too

[storm jungle]

hes both a mom's boy but also a hater

hes a true trooper who loves his mom thus murders teenagers with a machete

https://klipy.com/gifs/jason-voorhees-friday-the13th-6

[queen laurel]

Also had one of the best kills in cinema

[storm jungle]

MAN

that kill is fucking epic

[queen laurel]

the effects on that is still amazing

[paper haven]

Does the metal suit go on a rampage and they gotta beat it in the game?

[storm jungle]

one of the most creative things ive seen in a horror movie

[brave owl]

I think so

and he has like a horn helmet with like a fucked up head

[fading bluff]

How does one enjoy a slasher film if there is no hope?

Sorry lmao

[paper haven]

I vaguely recall it

Kinda thought I just made it up

[queen laurel]

this is still my favorite though because look at him

[sacred ginkgo]

This feels like an officially excessive amount of bagging at this point

[paper haven]

This is why I never sleep in a sleeping bag

[queen laurel]

Put people into bags and then beat them up with each other

[brave owl]

Nah its real

[storm jungle]

The moral dilemma of Jason killing teenagers as I laugh at stupid people getting slaughtered is a very deep one alright

[fading bluff]

Well yeah he’s got two of them

[gleaming gale]

The movie where 6 teenagers go to party in an abandoned mine and get killed by a 200 years old miner with a pickaxe doesn't offer a social commentary on the current thing(TM)! Pure slop!

[storm jungle]

YOOO

My Bloody Valentine™ MENTIONED!

Fucking love the look of the killer in that movie

[paper haven]

Oh damn I forgot I was supposed to be nihilistic, I got distracted by the funny horror movie tropes

[brave owl]

FOUND IT

https://miro.medium.com/0*gXZ1hFQOc-9vhJ1k.png

[storm jungle]

Oh my god lmao

[brave owl]

^ this

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh yeah speaking of movies I watched Hail Mary today

[paper haven]

That's the movie!

[sacred ginkgo]

Its so good

[gleaming gale]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-warden-my-bloody-valentine-gif-6481165532863330973

[storm jungle]

THATS THE GUY

Man he looks epic

https://klipy.com/gifs/harry-warden-my-bloody-valentine

this movie legit scared me as a girl

then i grew up and was like "nah this guy is peak"

[paper haven]

The gasmask miner look is pretty striking

[storm jungle]

100%

its the gasmask and the black getup

[sacred ginkgo]

All of you should watch or read Project Hail Mary as soon as physically possible

[fervent geode]

One day…

[gleaming gale]

Same reason we laughed at Tom as kids but grew up as adults to realize Jerry was a fucking asshole

[paper haven]

Too bad Dkok players make it their whole personality

[storm jungle]

LITERALLY

Jerry is like unexplainably sadistic

[paper haven]

I don't really know why but I always wanted Tom to win and it upset me when Jerry messed with him

[storm jungle]

Same

[fading bluff]

Same here

[sacred ginkgo]

Professional hater

9-5 with his bullshit

[fading bluff]

I’ve always been team Tom

[queen laurel]

dear death korps of krieg eat your heart out this is what it means to have peak gas mask performance

[paper haven]

I know I'm supposed to root for Jerry. Maybe I'm just a contrarian.

[queen laurel]

My God this is just to me with Benson and regular show

He was a genuinely pretty good boss that you would want to work with his workers are just absolutely garbage

[paper haven]

I'm too old to have any opinions about Regular Show

[queen laurel]

There are times he has done wrong things of course but like Mordecai and Rigby

[gleaming gale]

Duhhh, shovel!

[queen laurel]

I would have shot them 50 times no lie I couldn't

Stand 50 seconds of them in real life

[sacred ginkgo]

You're never too old to argue on the internet about a kids show

[storm jungle]

^

we literally al lgrew up in the golden age of kids shows

https://klipy.com/gifs/kids-next-door-knd-1

[paper haven]

Damn it, you're right

[gleaming gale]

Holy mother of peak

[sterile echo]

See, you're watching someone get shoved face-first into a pool of liquid nitrogen, screaming in fear and agony for their impending death as cubes of frozen blood get splattered everywhere, and you're describing it as "best" and "epic"
I cannot comprehend how these can be considered human reactions.

[sacred ginkgo]

Not me, I'm a several century old vampire

[paper haven]

Remember the episode that spoofed the animatrix?

[storm jungle]

Yeah because its goofy

[queen laurel]

then why can you play darktides so good

[brave owl]

Theres been a few good shows after that era like adventure time

[storm jungle]

Bro is legit psycho-analyzing me over JASON X

[sacred ginkgo]

Though the puppet shows when i was a mortal were pretty peak

[paper haven]

Also I don't think liquid nitrogen works like that

[brave owl]

Speaking of good shows, remember when the french were popping off with animated shows

[gleaming gale]

As I said, worse than Hitler

[storm jungle]

It doesnt lmao

[queen laurel]

OK look it's the concept of a person just being different from you like very hard thing to grasp?

[brave owl]

Like Code Lyoko

[sacred ginkgo]

Why would being a superhuman creature preclude you from being good at games

[storm jungle]

"How can you like Jason HES A MASS-MURDERER!"

Meawhile Jason:

https://klipy.com/gifs/freddy-kruger-jason

[queen laurel]

hey that's fair you know what that's fair you got me there

[paper haven]

Jason is more likable than Freddy

[sterile echo]

Looks pretty fucking brutal to me. I remember that movie being alright, but now i think i might have blocked it out.

[sacred ginkgo]

I have never played basketball but that looks like an illegal travel

[storm jungle]

I mean its brutal because its someone being killed, but again its not shown in a realistic manner and its just goofy

like-

people watch Slashers to get non-real people get killed

thats the entire genre

some movies do it in a funny way, some do it in a serious way

its a genre for a reason

its for whoever wants to watch it

[paper haven]

Wasn't that the argument for why old horror movies were fine? The goofiness?

[storm jungle]

^

[paper haven]

How unrealistic, yadda yadda?

[gleaming gale]

Apparently you can't enjoy things and have to be trialed at Nuremberg for such thoughts

[sterile echo]

different =/= equal. It is a very hard thing to grasp that so many people can be so fundamentally different and society is just completely ok with that and not interested in discussing at all.

[storm jungle]

Its really not hard to grasp.

people enjoy different things

[paper haven]

Liquid nitrogen would probably just. Burn your face a little

Cause some damage to the eyes, probably

[sacred ginkgo]

Bit of an understatement

[storm jungle]

Truly a menace to society that Freddy Krueger

[daring creek]

Again, the horror genre

ppl find that shit cool asf

not everyone is scared by horror

[paper haven]

2nd degree burns, I mean. Serious, to be sure but your entire head wouldn't flash freeze and then shatter

[gleaming gale]

I mean, have you tried it?

[sacred ginkgo]

Idk have you seen what liquid nitrogen does to stuff

[storm jungle]

I think the only horror movie that legit always scared me to this day is It Follows, fuck that movie.

[daring creek]

there is an art to writing fucked up things

[paper haven]

Well, no

You got me there

[gleaming gale]

Mythbusters time

[fading bluff]

Ngl unpopular opinion but I thought It Follows was goofy af

[storm jungle]

yeah thats an unpopular opinion lmao

i thought it was scary as shit

[fading bluff]

I was like haha std demon

[storm jungle]

I mean

its not "haha std demon" its "this thing can follow you anywhere"

[paper haven]

Wasn't that just a very unsubtle metaphor for an std?

[storm jungle]

it kinda horrified me more because im also a woman so 💀

[sterile echo]

And should we not be concerned about who might be a dangerous or apathetic person based at least partially on what makes them happy?
Racial oppression and concentration camps make some people very happy. Should we not be concerned about them?

[storm jungle]

Tbh thats most horror movies

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah
So can i

[storm jungle]

its not really the message, its the monster

[paper haven]

Yeah ok fair

[vagrant fox]

good god this guy again

[storm jungle]

WHAT

[sterile echo]

Yeah, that's my problem.

[daring creek]

Oh so its the physical manifestation of anxiety and paranoia

[storm jungle]

Yeah id highly recommend a watch

[sterile echo]

fuck.

[storm jungle]

anyway

guys this is why you should vote me as your class president

[paper haven]

Where the hell did that come from?

[queen laurel]

OK what the hell is that that is like playing basketball and then pulling out a pistol to shoot your opponent

[sterile echo]

rewritten.

[storm jungle]

[daring creek]

I'm not cuz I know ur shooting me the day after inaugeration

[storm jungle]

I really dont think laughing at people being killed in fiction on specific circumstances makes you a psychopath lol

Example 1

[paper haven]

We can vote on it if it makes you feel better. Give you like two days for recounts

[civic gale]

Hello lore chat I am now at work

[paper haven]

Run

[wary fulcrum]

Calling yourself a socialist protester whilst hinting for some pretty authoritarian societal control makes me wonder which type of socialist you’re protesting for

The ones in brown shirts or the actual socialists?

[civic gale]

Wdym

[daring creek]

Honestly this is way more alarming than a person laughing at death in a movie

[paper haven]

Ok that is kinda funny

[storm jungle]

"FORCES ARE FEW."
"AAA-"

[gleaming gale]

I guess I should be doxxed and fired from my job because I am a Guard fan and sending 6000 plastic soldiers to their deaths for an L-shaped building, obviously a menace to society

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[civic gale]

That was funny as hell indeed

[sacred ginkgo]

The knife dudes run cycle is so goofy

[sterile echo]

Idk that seems pretty horrific, but its a tame animation
plus, he's a space marine, they're very tough and very guilty.

[storm jungle]

HORRIFIC?

[sterile echo]

in theory

[civic gale]

The quiet "AAA-"

[storm jungle]

ITS A SPACE MARINE BEING GANGED ON BY SMALL EGYPTIAN BUGS

😭

[daring creek]

If you think finding stuff like horror movies funny or entertaining suggests something is wrong with a person I think that says a lot more about you than the person enjoying the media.

[sterile echo]

getting covered in bugs and eaten alive? yeah, horrific

[storm jungle]

Yeah good thing he deserved it because hes a supersoldier who upholds a fascist regime

so i dont care for his death

[gleaming gale]

Don't let this guy see what happens to the cadians shot by necron guns in the same video

[storm jungle]

lol

[sacred ginkgo]

Disintegrated but yeah kinda but also

Hes a facist fuck

Who gives a damn

I'd do it myself

[storm jungle]

LOL

[daring creek]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-cope-warhammer-meme-shut-up-gif-24598622

[storm jungle]

go my scarabs

[civic gale]

In documentary voice: and here we have a narrated scene where a character dies an horrific death but does a funny scream

[daring creek]

i think this gif is cool as fuck

[sterile echo]

I mean.. im listening
I'd love to know what's wrong with me but you'd be the first person to know out of thousands.

[paper haven]

Ok I'm confused. Is violence ok if the victims are evil? Or is it's depiction a worrying trend that might lead those that enjoy it towards psychopathy?
It can't be both.

[civic gale]

Poor guardsman but yes

[fading bluff]

We need a space marine killed doing a wilhelm scream

[sacred ginkgo]

"But yeah kinda but also"
What the fuck am I doing

[sterile echo]

Of course violence is ok if the victims are evil, that's called justice
It's violence towards innocent people or just for the sake of it that worries me
even in "revenge" movies, they still show gratuitous depictions of the perpatrator-victim's horrific acts, and that's no better.

[civic gale]

Speaking bad English

[daring creek]

with how fast it fucking happened probably didnt even hurt

[sacred ginkgo]

Rhetorical question

[civic gale]

Fair

[paper haven]

Well alright then. Glad we cleared that up.

[civic gale]

"we answer those"

[wary fulcrum]

Who determines evil?

As far as Jason was concerned, the horny teens were evil. That’s why he killed them.

So that liquid nitrogen death was funny because it was justice enacted?

[storm jungle]

tbh we determine evil

[sacred ginkgo]

Then why is 40k being horrible bad
Everyone except maybe maybe some craftworld eldar are irredeemable shitbags

[storm jungle]

basic morality says "killing people for no reason is bad"

[daring creek]

define, evil.

because

[storm jungle]

Jason is an asshole but we laugh because the movies concept is funny

[daring creek]

almost everything in 40k is evil to some extent

beyond evil there are victims

[gleaming gale]

Why won't anyone think about the poor demon worshipper getting punched at mach fuck speed by a space marine

[daring creek]

who are cogs in the machine

against their will

[storm jungle]

Also related

[fervent geode]

Craftworld Eldar would literally let a billion humans die for an Aeldar so it’s fair that they are evil too lol

[paper haven]

Freezing someone's face and smashing it against a counter is..
Checks notes
Bad.

[sacred ginkgo]

Thats perfectly acceptable behavior

[daring creek]

Since when

[storm jungle]

Craftworld Eldar are definitely on the middle of the scale imo lmao

[fervent geode]

Everyone is really fucking evil lol

[fading bluff]

Fucker looks badass don’t he

[daring creek]

I always do that

[wary fulcrum]

But Jason does have a reason

The reason is that behaviour got him killed so his mum goes on a rampage and kills people who also behave in that fashion.

Is that not justice as she is killing people who she sees as evil, as they are acting evil?

[fervent geode]

-Jain Zar

[paper haven]

Since just now pay attention.

[storm jungle]

Yeah he does but that girl he killed didnt do anything to him

hes still an evil piece of shit

thats why we watch him

lmao

[civic gale]

Is that a scion?

[storm jungle]

Its funny

[gleaming gale]

Nah, can't enjoy that, he drank his morning coffee thinking how to run an eldar through a wood chipper

He's evool

[civic gale]

[paper haven]

You can't commit war crimes against the Eldar. They are born legal combatants.

[civic gale]

Noted

[wary fulcrum]

Yes we know he’s evil because we see the action

I’m trying to explore the logic Protester put forwards to see how far it goes before breaking.

Not very tbh

[civic gale]

Lore chat busy this morning damn

[wary fulcrum]

If Vulkan is war criming them then it doesn’t count as war crime

[storm jungle]

Reminder guys this is a very serious setting.

[fading bluff]

Xenos are born guilty of the crime of being xenos

[gleaming gale]

Vulkan throwing a knife at the eldar child to justify flaming him

[civic gale]

In the name of the empirum nothing is a war crime (please I'm joking this is a 40k setting

[storm jungle]

🇮🇱

[paper haven]

If Vulkan thinks it is above board, then who am I to argue?

[sterile echo]

Im not going to argue against moral relitivities that you clearly dont even believe in yourself.

[paper haven]

Well played

[wary fulcrum]

He’s like, a really nice guy

[gleaming gale]

Another 7 billion Thrones to Scintilla

[storm jungle]

LOL

[fading bluff]

The IDF would be like the Imperium if they had space ships

[storm jungle]

"Like the Imperium"

they already are tbh

LMAO

"Target that hospital"

[gleaming gale]

The most moral army on Earth btw

[storm jungle]

^

[paper haven]

I checked the laws and it turns out being a Xenos is, in fact, illegal.

[brave owl]

I love Necrons lol.

[storm jungle]

Etherael Ma'duro should have known better

[sterile echo]

Im also pretty sick of seeing unarmed women get shot. That happens too often.

[civic gale]

What in the actual fu- is going on here

[fading bluff]

The galaxy was promised to us 30,000 years ago

[storm jungle]

oh my god man

its almost like the guy that kills you and her is an evil piece of shit

[gleaming gale]

Xenos didn't sign any Geneva documents, can't be war criming them

[storm jungle]

its almost like Evil people do Evil things

[brave owl]

psyop

[paper haven]

He should have complied with our reasonable demands to stop existing.

[wary fulcrum]

I’m trying to understand your moral relativities

In the first film, he dies because they were doing things some people (not all) consider evil.

So his mum killed people she considered to be evil, as they were performing the same acts that got her child killed.

You’ve created an argument to which says Jason’s mum (has got it going on) is enacting justice.

[paper haven]

We tried deplomacy

[gleaming gale]

It was entirely justifiable to glass their planets after they refused the Crusade command's humble request to kill themselves

[wary fulcrum]

Turns out deploymacy worked too

[brave owl]

Warhammer is such a hard setting to have favorites.

Because they are all such a vibe in some way

[storm jungle]

It really is if you have taste lol

[wary fulcrum]

Just pick your flavour of dick back

[storm jungle]

and dont just go "mah humans"

[paper haven]

Yeah but I already had the Storm troopers in place and wanted to make a show. So.

[sterile echo]

Okay then why dont they just tell us that?
Why are we treated like a child who has no understanding of the world and doesnt know what an evil person is yet?
Why do we need to be shown the evil? isnt there enough evil in the world already?
Why do i need to see a realistic depiction of an unarmed woman getting shot? All you had to do was give him the intention of doing it and that would have been enough. But no, we have to watch women be murdered because clearly there isnt violence against women in the world already.

[limpid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-tyranid-space-marines-titus-gif-4053401268298780302

I like space marines and tzeentch

Theyre coolio

[paper haven]

That's me. Muh humanity first.

[limpid granite]

But my absolute favouite is imperial titans

[gleaming gale]

The stars are humanity's birthright

[paper haven]

Man do I love the imperium.

[storm jungle]

[wary fulcrum]

‘Hey guys, lady Macbeth feels really guilty’ doesn’t quite have the same narrative ring to it

[gleaming gale]

I fucking love being evil

[brave owl]

I like Necrons and Tyranids as a whole.

I love Tau Mecha bullshit (though they aren't QUITE my aesthetic of Mecha. I like stuff like White Glint from armored core)

Guardsmen like Krieg is fun

Lamentors best

I have SEEEVERAL likes in chaos

[paper haven]

500 more Space marine animations

[daring creek]

I fully condone the actions of the faction I find cool

[queen laurel]

Then watch My Little Pony if it's too evil for you some people just like being a bad person in a fictional setting

[limpid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-horus-heresy-imperial-knight-gif-25208599

Coolest thing imaginable

[brave owl]

Orks are cool but I don't really care about the tribal differences with them

[queen laurel]

we're not saying do these things in real life we just like

[vagrant fox]

[gleaming gale]

Fucker's pretty cool, ain't he

https://tenor.com/view/for-the-emperor-hammer-and-bolter-old-bale-eye-commisar-to-war-gif-272124338325904300

[queen laurel]

like watching them do their own things

[daring creek]

the eldar deserve what they have coming to them

[brave owl]

Alaitoc (sp?) is cool for Eldar.

[paper haven]

Not to get political but Mork is clearly the better one

[daring creek]

gork > mork

[limpid granite]

Im gonna krump diz git

[sacred ginkgo]

Because it weakens the portrayl massively to have it not happen