#40k-lore-chat

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arctic talon
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He’s been wrong before

storm jungle
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who are they facing again

arctic talon
solid horizon
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I hope gw will be adding more to ad mech than just immortals ripoff and thicc fabricatior

storm jungle
solid horizon
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Ad mech vehicles suck ass

near wasp
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Valrak being valrak

jade holly
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Admech feels like the easiest army to cowboyify

arctic talon
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I love the doomba

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It’s so funny

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Best part of the krieg refresh

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I love this stupid chud roomba

solid horizon
jade holly
solid horizon
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Ad mech in 40k is cowboys and World War 1 brits

daring creek
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If krieg ever gets a slop mission in darktide. They better make us start in a mining drill

jade holly
solid horizon
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Lol

storm jungle
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loved their work on McCragge

solid horizon
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Voodoo admech

arctic talon
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Ignore the tau twin lance

jade holly
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And a Dominis with a really, really tall hat

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Doug Dimmidominus

arctic talon
solid horizon
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Omnissiah, my favorite loas

jade holly
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You mean this guy?

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Bro’s deck of cards are powered by an eldritch horror

solid horizon
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Ad Mech needs better aircraft

jade holly
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5 days until I can play him

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I’m so excited

arctic talon
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Ngl I wonder how horrifically the Voodoo Boyz got murdered by the Haitians and the people who’d become the voodoo boys in 2077 lol

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I hope it was awful for them

solid horizon
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Our planes are dogshit both design and gameplay wise

arctic talon
jade holly
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Damnit now I want a Voodoo/Cowboy themed Darkmech army

solid horizon
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Real

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Damn me too

arctic talon
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You can just do that with normal admech smh

solid horizon
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Too much cool

jade holly
solid horizon
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I mean yeah voodoo isn't evil

jade holly
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Voodoo ain’t evil yeah

arctic talon
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Tbh the Mechanicus are evil

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lol

solid horizon
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Servitors are basically voodoo zombis

jade holly
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Voodoo can’t be evil, they have Baron Samedi

solid horizon
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Bruh

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He's the most evil of the bunch

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But he's pretty cool

jade holly
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Not from what I heard of him?

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I thought he was just the loa between life and death?

solid horizon
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Well he's not exactly evil but he's not exactly a great individual either

jade holly
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Can he party?

solid horizon
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He's very ill mannered

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But he's got drip

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And was used as fascist icon in Haiti eventually

urban spire
arctic talon
solid horizon
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Voodoo and Hoodoo are fascinating topic

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Too bad I forget everything each time

arctic talon
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lol

solid horizon
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I actually met a real voodoo priest once in paris on a highschool trip

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It was extremely interesting

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But I forgor everything

arctic talon
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One of my roommates freshman year was from Haiti and believed in it

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Was cool talking to him about it

solid horizon
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Tbh it's the most materially true religion

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No blasphemy intended

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Justice in Haiti is (used to be) so slow and inefficient that voodoo punishment is a more popular route

jade holly
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Damnit now I wanna do a Voodoo inspired Necron army lmao

blazing vapor
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Not familiar with lore but who is my beloved that psykers talk about?

solid horizon
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If you get canned fish from Haiti there is a high chance it was canned by a zombi

jade holly
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An actual shard of the Emperor

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Tzeentch

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A random daemon

solid horizon
arctic talon
jade holly
solid horizon
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Just play tsons lol

jade holly
solid horizon
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Overlord but instead of orb he has cards lol

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Overlord with top hat and sunglasses

solid horizon
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Make your enemies die from drip overload

arctic talon
jade holly
arctic talon
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That’s what’s fun about the poor seer

jade holly
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An Overlord with a device that to humans looks like a deck of cards but it’s a collection of powerful items the Overlordncan use to mimic the powers of Necron tools

solid horizon
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Reminds me I named my dynasty Diskotekh before it was full fledged dark mech

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And the overlord was named Sun Ra after the famous jazz musician who pretended to be from saturn and dressed in cosmic egyptian costumes

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Now he's the Flayed King

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He

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Flays guys

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And one tapped a dreadnought in melee...

nocturne crest
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Huh. TIL the Pith Helmet is spainish in origin.

solid horizon
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yup

nocturne crest
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I got an idea: They should remake the Praetorian army, but their las-pistols are this:

solid horizon
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I swear such a device killed me in a dream

nocturne crest
opaque coyote
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How TF does that even work

nocturne crest
opaque coyote
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Do they pull the thing to fire it

opaque coyote
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Yeah I was confused on how it would shoot

storm jungle
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crackhead FOV

heady rivet
storm jungle
wary fulcrum
crystal forum
celest dome
opaque coyote
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Usually helmets like this contain gunpowder or something

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And although helmets are mostly used for sharpnel protection

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I can't help but wonder if a hot piece of sharpnel somewhat embeds itself into the helmet

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If the helmet would just

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Fucking explode and kill you

nocturne crest
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Probably, especially if this was made to fire .45

opaque coyote
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Yeah I think the same thing would happen for a las version since lasgun magazines can become improvised grenades

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This is what we call in the Imperium

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A

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"skill issue"

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An ancient term from 2nd millennium Terra

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Although I guess if the magazines have tough enough casings

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It wouldn't happen

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Which they probably do because

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Lasguns are basically a tactican's wet dream

nocturne crest
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Yeah. Just got something that can turned into a grenade and be reloaded by a campfire.

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I kind of like the Skitarri Vanguard Kriegsmen.

crystal forum
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the fucking space marine chapters mixed in

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that's good im saving it

full obsidian
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Does GW only care about cadians and kriegers?

vagrant fox
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They care about what sells

crystal forum
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there's only 3 actual regiments represented on tabletop so GW is just working with what they have

scenic trout
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No matter how much GW fucks up, they are too big of s company and people still buy

crystal forum
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i don't know why they aren't even adding a steel legion kill team or anything. it's a pretty weird decision

nocturne crest
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They should have expected this response, but at the same time, they don't need to give a fuck.

scenic trout
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"Elon Musk, buy GW and save 40K"

nocturne crest
scenic trout
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Musk would be the sort of person to add Spacex as his own faction lmao

crystal forum
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GW straight up never cared about steel legion

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i have to say it is pretty annoying how GW thinks every guard campaign must have space marines

nocturne crest
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Tbh, Space Marines are pretty much the Optimus Prime of the brand.

scenic trout
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They are the brand

crystal forum
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i know they do it for brand safety or however you call it but it's annoying how scared they are to try anything that isn't at all involved with space marines

scenic trout
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Next they gonna remake the 40K logo to have a space marine

crystal forum
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most people remember vraks for krieg yet the story is mostly about space marines near its end

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and coincidentally the end of vraks is the part nobody cares about because space marine slop

nocturne crest
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Honestly, they could have just said that the steel legion stock is having to rely on Krieg and Catachan gear.

crystal forum
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i really hope they don't offer any lore explanation. i'm ok if it's just real world limitations that dont affect the setting

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that would mean steel legion gear is officially off brand krieg

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no explanation gives the hope that in the future we might get actual steel legion again

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steel legion legit have my favorite gas mask in the setting

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half face masks are underrated

civic gale
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Hi lore chat

full obsidian
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do the krieg always wear gas masks?
It seems kinda pointless when we see that they are deployed to worlds where other guardsmen dont need gasmasks
Or are they just indoctrinated or something that they must never take it off

scenic trout
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Simply just say that the steel legions were out of reinforces so krieg drop in

nocturne crest
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Imagine if it's a catachan reveal in the show.

scenic trout
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yes

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Just to fuck with people

crystal forum
nocturne crest
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Like, reusing the trailer, but adding Catachans fighting orks.

scenic trout
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Orktide game, we play as catachan

nocturne crest
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We get a Armageddon Ork hunter build, where we get to use Ork weapons.

crystal forum
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im still surprised GW hasn't retired the catachan models yet

solid horizon
crystal forum
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if they get a reboot i would be happy

solid horizon
crystal forum
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i don't think they're that old

solid horizon
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they're very old htough

heady rivet
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I got a silly idea: Catachans get a new character, but it's just Straken in a dreadnought.

solid horizon
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sly marbo but he's dead like chuck norris

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sly marbo dreadnought

opaque coyote
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Fuck like

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Half the forces in the Imperium in general

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We're/are child soldiers

crystal forum
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when i think child soldier i think a 10 year old with an ak

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not a 17 year old or something

opaque coyote
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I think Cadians have child soldiers in their ranks

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If I remember correctly

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Just aren't playable

crystal forum
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white shields

near wasp
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they aren't really in the cadian ranks

opaque coyote
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Yeah so no idea what the Kriegers are hiding tbh

crystal forum
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but they help out

opaque coyote
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Guardsman #2492 probably was also a child soldier

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I bet you that it's more common in the Imperium to have child soldiers and/or ex-chikd soldiers

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Than those that actually joined at 18+

near wasp
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By the time you get to a war zone they probably aren't kids anymore

nocturne crest
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I feel like a 40k version of Jojo rabbit is possible.

opaque coyote
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"I'm 15."

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"...oh"

crystal forum
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the british military used children pretty regularly before the 20th century

near wasp
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I was more meaning it could take years to get to the actual war zone your supposed to fight in

opaque coyote
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Yeah but that doesn't mean there's bloodshed adventure in-between!

crystal forum
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i'm sure that whenever GW does the next armageddon story the planet will be rebuilt

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the imperium should really turn that thing into a fortress world

umbral orbit
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armageddon is probably done for to be honest

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FOUR wars 😭 i dont think the orks (or angron) left anything behind to be rebuilt

crystal forum
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not all the wars were about orks

umbral orbit
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yeah but i think it still stands that

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armageddon is a shithole rn

crystal forum
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the last time armageddon got attacked was by angron himself

umbral orbit
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its effectively been sterilized

crystal forum
heady rivet
crystal forum
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grey knights no less

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peak slop

heady rivet
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1st war top secret

scenic trout
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in the 41 millenia theres only orks

umbral orbit
crystal forum
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just like the black crusades, only one actually matters

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holy shit the lexicanum page for the third war for armageddon is funny

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nobles being on the side of orks

umbral orbit
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armageddon nobility?? 😭

crystal forum
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yeah those fuckers screwed over the planet

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believe it or not

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the morons really made deals with orks

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so they'd be spared if orks won

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inept and stupid nobility leadership is like a recurring theme in guard stories

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and i love it every time

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Princeps Prime Kurtiz Mannheim of the Iron Skulls Titan Legion, who would eventually perish as a result of von Strab's orders, described the Overlord as "the greatest waste of flesh and bone born in the last five hundred years."[

arctic talon
umbral orbit
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that makes sense

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in usual noble fashion

arctic talon
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The orks were not going to spare them

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Btw lol

crystal forum
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seriously though how stupid do you have to be to make a deal with an ork 😭

arctic talon
crystal forum
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it's great

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i should rewatch lore videos about it

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peak campaign

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His incompetence was seen right from the very beginning of the second war. He was given several warnings about the potential invasion: The Imperial Tarot gave the same reading of disaster, time after time; Navigators on incoming freighters warned of a massive warp storm brewing; and the Statue of the Emperor in Hive Helsreach wept bloody tears. Von Strab ignored them all.

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he straight up caused the destruction of all the titans on armageddon by sending them to fight a thousand gargants without any support

arctic talon
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He was insanely incompetent in general

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He wasn’t even doing anything out of malice in the second war

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He was just fucking stupid

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Third war is when he sells out Armageddon

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And then subsequently dies

crystal forum
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i love imperial incompetence

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so peak

nocturne crest
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I just had the funniest idea: They show new Jopall Indentured Guardsmen at the preview show.

arctic talon
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Fun fact jopall were a steel legion repaint

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Emphasis on were

nocturne crest
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So they could be a krieg repaint then?

arctic talon
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Fucking green

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If GW so pleases lol

crystal forum
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jopall's paint scheme is horrendous but i think most people know about them for their interesting lore

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well the like 5 lines of text they have

arctic talon
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It’s so bad it’s good

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This shit is iconic

crystal forum
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they look like they're sponsored by a mint gum

arctic talon
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The fucking Ryza pattern lasgun

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In what elevates it

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They goofy gun paired with goofy armor paired with goofy color scheme

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It’s perfect

crystal forum
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this just looks so annoying to paint too

arctic talon
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I wonder if we get a modern Jopall GW will change their scheme to the old white dwarf one

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Where it’s dark green + no spots

arctic talon
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You can’t even make it faster with an air brush

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I guess you could try flicking

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But then you risk getting shit on the face

crystal forum
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intricate paint schemes on small spam units is not a good mix

arctic talon
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Tbh I think doing a squad of snipers as jopall would be cute

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Assuming we get sniper squads back

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Prolly not

crystal forum
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the whole indentured servitude thing is just so weird in 40k too

arctic talon
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Eh not really

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Their worlds just like that

crystal forum
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it's just that it's another way to do what other regiment already do

arctic talon
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I think it’s fun for flavor

crystal forum
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cadians will just conscript

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funny to think that a planet bothers to pretend the guardsman has a way out

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would be interesting to see what life is like on jopall

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just a hyper capitalist hellscape

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i remember luetin used to always mention in his videos that in 40k there's a few planets that closely resemble modern earth in terms of culture and even technology

storm jungle
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He was really exaggerating

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hes a proper yapper that guy

languid meadow
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statically there's at least one but it's also probably not even in the imperium

nocturne crest
spare osprey
hollow lantern
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I love the concept of them

full obsidian
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looks like pyjamas

civic gale
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wish i had money for mechanicus

rocky gale
heady rivet
vagrant fox
opaque coyote
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I am playing something...

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thunder strike

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Marvel Rivals

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With my besties

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Cause they want me to play it with them

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Punisher is fun

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Probably my favorite DPS so far

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He's simple but really fucking fun

rancid cove
civic gale
vagrant fox
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great news for the hadron simps

arctic talon
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lol

fervent geode
vagrant fox
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and great news for me

storm jungle
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extremely based

heady rivet
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Okay everyone please take a guess at how old this son is

storm jungle
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40?

heady rivet
solid horizon
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Who the hell names their kid Saxon

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Hello meet my son Judas Priest

opaque coyote
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My bestie's dead name literally was a gemstone

heady rivet
jade holly
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I wanna be named after a constellation

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Orion chadgryn

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Leo chadgryn

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Sagittarius

opaque coyote
opaque coyote
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So you'd just be naming yourself after an ancient name

jade holly
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I forget the others

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Lmao

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Aries I wanna say is just the boring answer of Ares

opaque coyote
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Be a tradeigh and name yourself Orian

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Jk

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Also marvel Rivals is fun

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It reminds me of overwatch except I can actually do damage

jade holly
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I’m waiting for War Machine, Doctor Voodoo, Luke Cage, High Evo and Arnim Zola

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and Heimdall

opaque coyote
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I like Punisher

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And Iron Man

jade holly
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Punisher is fun, but I can’t aim With him

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I can’t use hitscan

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Projectiles all the way

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And Ultron

opaque coyote
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Went into a match

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"oh that's why"

jade holly
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The camera in Rivals makes it so hard to aim at times

opaque coyote
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Yeah I noticed

jade holly
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But knowing how Rivals designs heroes I want War Machine built like this

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Or like Calgar

opaque coyote
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Also I like

Angela

Firstly because she's a hot muscular woman.

Secondly because she's genuinely fun to play

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Fly around like a fucking bee

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Stab people like a bee

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When you want, drop down and chop people

jade holly
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You gotta admit War Machine would look so badass if his armor was this big

opaque coyote
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Fly up and become a bee again

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Repeat

opaque coyote
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But that UM got drip

jade holly
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Angela is fun when you learn to kidnap with her

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Also fun fact: she’s not a Marvel character, originally

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She was from Spawn

opaque coyote
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Yeah that makes sense

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She seemed a little out of place ngl

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Even in Marvel Rivals

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Marvel usually doesn't do muscle women unless if it's she hulk

jade holly
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Also she has a wife who may never be in the game/have interactions with her because the game is made by a Chinese studio

jade holly
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Angela mentions her once in all of her dialogue

opaque coyote
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Yeah I had a feeling that she wasn't straight ngl

jade holly
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which means we may also not get to have Ghost Rider

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Unless it’s Robbie Reyes

jade holly
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China doesn’t like skulls

opaque coyote
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Ghost Rider is cool as fuck

opaque coyote
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They got the Punisher though

jade holly
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That’s why Punisher’s logo is different

opaque coyote
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What it looks pretty similar

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They only added like

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Horns

jade holly
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It’s made to look more like a demon than a skull

opaque coyote
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I mean honestly making Ghost Rider look more angelic would be interesting

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Or demonic

jade holly
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But he has the 2099 skin which has a bunch of skulls

opaque coyote
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Depending how much of a deep cut with the lore

jade holly
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And there’s a new gallery card with a guy who has a skull front and center

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So who knows

opaque coyote
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Genshin had a similar situation. Ik ik

jade holly
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Prob cause you don’t see those too often in game

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I guess

opaque coyote
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Genshin but this isn't necessarily about ut

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Basically

jade holly
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Warhammer would NOT survive China lmao

opaque coyote
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Basically covering up their skin somewhat

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Global had the option to revert back to old

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But CN and story use the new designs forcefully

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But then later on they released a character in a fucking bikini

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Tbf it isn't like a thin ass bikini but it definitely shows much more skin than like

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What the four characters had

jade holly
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There’s one other character I wanna see in Rivals but idk if he’ll be added for… what he’s connected to

opaque coyote
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Literally rides around on a shark surfboard

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That is alive

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But that aside, Chinese censorship can get weird

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And overly specific

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It's probably a fucking minefield except the mines are placed in the most random places possible

jade holly
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I mean Hydra in game is focused more on the occult side so they could easily rewrite him to be more for that

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But uh… he has history

opaque coyote
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I have thought about that

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And tbh you could easily replace the skull decorations with angelic statues

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It would still make sense

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Characters like the Emperor would be a rotting zombie instead of a skeleton

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Although tbh in general I like the idea that the Emperor is a mummy

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Rather than a skeleton

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Since he's still technically alive biologically.

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It would make sense if nothing has rotted persay. Just dried out

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A husk

jade holly
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The character I wanted to see in Rivals btw was Red Skull. But I fully understand why if they don’t wanna use him. I thought about rewriting him to be Hive’s chosen avatar, a Warlock given Hive’s powers and not… ya know staregryn

opaque coyote
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Or Europe

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Actually especially Europe

jade holly
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You would have to jump through so many hoops to make him even considerable to add

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but hey at least we got Arnim Zola as a depicted villain

opaque coyote
jade holly
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Here’s how he looks btw

opaque coyote
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I guess the MCU movies that are the best are the ones that could easily be treated as standalone

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But still are connected

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The Iron Man series (yes I like all of the movies shut the fuck u-), Captain America: First Winter Soldier, etc.

jade holly
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Iron Man 2 gave me MCU War Machine

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And the fight in the Maddison Square Garden

opaque coyote
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Because I think it's great due to that gruff look

jade holly
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IM2 War Machine was peak

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But Infinity War’s was good too

opaque coyote
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Like it's basically a prototype IM suit

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With a bunch of weapons attached to it

jade holly
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It was the MK 2

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Canonically

opaque coyote
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IK

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Which was a prototype

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It was used by Tony to fly

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And then he was like

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"Ah shit it sucks in high air"

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after falling like 10000 feet in the sir

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So he made a 3rd one

opaque coyote
jade holly
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And whenever he landed, you FELT it

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The preamble to the airport fight is the most apparent

opaque coyote
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So generally I do think him being built as a tank would be best.

jade holly
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You see Tony land with barely a thud then then War Machine fucking shakes the entire screen lmao

opaque coyote
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It's also why the MK1 is one of my favorites

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Because despite logically being impossible to make

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It still feels real

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"BUILT IN A CAVE WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!"

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It's also why things like

Earlier Mark PA suits in the Horus Heresy look better

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I like the MK3

jade holly
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Here’s a few fan made concepts of how he’d look

opaque coyote
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And even T-45 in Fallout

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Are generally my favorite looks wise

opaque coyote
jade holly
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War Machine is my favorite marvel hero ever

opaque coyote
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Eyes are too close together feels weird

jade holly
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Second place is Blade

opaque coyote
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I like Spiderman

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Generic af answer ik

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It is also why I never read much newer Spiderman comics

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Because even ignoring the obvious Paul in the room

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They just aren't written that well a lot of the times

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There are some good ones though

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It ain't all garbage

opaque coyote
jade holly
opaque coyote
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I mean if Venom is a tank

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Then Carnage would likely be DPS or even Strategist

jade holly
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Hot take: Agent Venom/ Agent Anti-Venom as a strategist

opaque coyote
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Although it would be ironic for Carnage to be a strategist because he's a fucking serial killer

jade holly
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I’m all in favor of the rule of threes: characters with similar skill sets or gear with one fulfilling each role

opaque coyote
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I like how Peni Parker is designed

jade holly
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Iron Man, War Machine, Rescue (fuck you Iron Heart)

opaque coyote
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A mix of the original comic version and spider verse

opaque coyote
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With all of the suffering of both

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Peni literally got her Eddie Brock equivalent as a bestie

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And then had said Eddie Brock equivalent absorbed into their respective robot suit

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After going crazy

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Like their body was just absorbed into it

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It's not finished as far as I'm aware

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But Peni suffers a lot

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And unlike Evangelion, she's her equivalent of Spiderman so it never ends

jade holly
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Sandman would be a baller tank

opaque coyote
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100%

jade holly
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I’m kinda sad tho

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Before Rivals released I managed to speak with a dev on potential future heroes

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They said they could see War Machine as a flying tank (fuck yes)

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But Red Hulk is too similar to Hulk

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When he’s totally not

rocky gale
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There's a reason she goes from

rancid cove
nocturne crest
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Or this design:

civic gale
languid meadow
dapper gyro
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Dead weight with no tactical advantage.

plush mason
rancid cove
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Hmmmmm

civic gale
midnight dragon
final dagger
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For warhammer fantasy which lore should I start with the warhammer age of sigmar or warhammer the old world

outer wave
arctic talon
final dagger
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Old world is the orginal warhammer right the very first hammer .

winter pine
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Old World is I think 200ish years in the past before the End Times for Fantasy?

outer wave
#

Thought it was before the events of Fantasy itself, not just End Times

jade holly
jade holly
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Ironkin are so fucking cool

arctic talon
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And Old World is in the past of warhammer fantasy battle

opaque coyote
winged jacinth
winged jacinth
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im reading the regular wikipedia page for 40k and the language is getting a good laugh out of me

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WAAAGH! is also what draws Orks to a warboss, since that is how they recognize someone to be "bigga" and "greena" and therefore "betta"

winged jacinth
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On December 13, 2010,[87] Ultramarines: A Warhammer 40,000 Movie was released directly to DVD. It is a CGI science fiction film, based around the Ultramarines Chapter of Space Marines[...] It was received poorly.[88]

crystal forum
scenic trout
final dagger
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So the emperor is a pysker?

storm jungle
#

Yes

celest dome
#

One of if not the strongest Psyker that humanity has ever had

shadow plover
shadow plover
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'Ello

rocky gale
#

He seems a jolly fellow of a pleasant demeanour

forest orbit
scenic trout
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The emperor is a freak

sour hornet
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What differentiates a god from a powerful psyker if both can do fucky shit

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Wasn't it Eldrad Ulthran that straight up halted time once

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so he could speak to fucking John Grammaticus of all people

rocky gale
#

Me when I stop time to inform the Subway worker they made my sandwich wrong.

limpid granite
sour hornet
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Ahriman is juiced with tzeentchian sorcery though no?

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Mephiston rolled a nat20 and survived his mild mental breakdown

civic gale
#

"mild mental breakdown"

limpid granite
#

mephiston recovered from the black rage and turned his personality completely around

urban spire
celest dome
hexed sluice
urban spire
#

they're not very common but they are very independent, you can potentially run into them more or less anywhere

wary fulcrum
urban spire
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their ships aren't very stealthy though so like

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probably not in densely populated imperium space

wary fulcrum
#

Chilling out on an Astartes recruiting world is probably unlikely

But on Necromunda? I could see them as bodyguards, or mercenaries unwittingly hired for a greatest game style safari

urban spire
#

but even then they might be part of a rogue trader's retinue, or even an inquisitor's posse

hexed sluice
urban spire
#

what's atrox?

hexed sluice
#

Forest planet, so you would not die of radiation

urban spire
#

ah, something going on there?

hexed sluice
#

there military depot there I think

urban spire
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well if kroot did show up there, there wouldn't be enough of them to serve as enemies in a horde shooter like darktide

hexed sluice
#

who wants to fight a krootox?

wary fulcrum
#

Fat shark don’t like making money, it will never happen

hexed sluice
wary fulcrum
hexed sluice
#

not for this game, but Dark Heresy is promising us one

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one kroot

cerulean trellis
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one kroot to find them all xD

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on another note i have been reading imperium maledictum's core rulebook and i found a description for how Melta weaponry works. granted the range given is somewhat about shotgun range but here the description for those interested:

Though usually short ranged, Melta weapons are powerfull and can turn most armour and even the toughest of foes into molten liquids. They commonly use highly pressurised, unstable sub-molecural gases that are fired in beams of intense heat, so strong that the air itself burns to steam along the path only to be overshadowed by screams of agony. They use a focused bean of intense energy to induca a sub-molecurlar thermal agitation in their targets, and excel at melting through the stout armour of bunkers or combat vehicles. These specifics are lost on most users, who care only that the weapons destructive capabilities are outstripped only by the targets brief screams of agony.

rancid cove
#

The Imperium and all of its variation of heat guns

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Volkite, melta, plasma...

cerulean trellis
#

i mean

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heat is dangerous

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and high heat is even more dangerous

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if you grind it down the way a lasgun deals damage is also heat

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light so intense it burns

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an strictly speaking even an autopistol just converst the heat created by friction to ignite something producing more heat to convert it into kinetic energy and propell a lead slug

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coem to think of it ... how does eldar shuriken technology work?

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does it convert heat to kinetic energy too or does it propell the projectiele through different means?

rancid cove
cerulean trellis
#

i mean it does make sense to sepperate underlying principles, no?

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no clue how volkite is supposed to work but:
melta uses super heated gas to heat up the target (note that unlike volkite melta are not usually a continuous beam)
plasma supposedly supercharges fuel into a critical state where it is a glob of intensly heated material that explodes upon contact
Bolters use blackpowder to fire a propelled miniature rocket that explodes on impact
lasguns intensify the light to a degree it causes burns
flamers simply ignite prometheum
autoguns are basically black powder weapons

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kinda like separating assault rifles from DMR's, sniper rifle, shotguns and pistols. same type of shit just applied differently

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humans love categorising after all

near wasp
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Volkite is a thermal beam

cerulean trellis
#

that much i know but other than that i have no clue

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of the others at least i understand the basic principle ^^'

near wasp
#

I'd think it's a combination of las tech and plasma tech

cerulean trellis
#

could be

near wasp
#

Instead of a las gun shooting a short pulse beam it shoots a concentrated long beam

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And it has coils similar to plamsa gun

cerulean trellis
#

maybe cawl was trying to rediscover the basics of plasma weaponry? after all how to maintain and manufacture plasma guns is a well kept secret evene among the techpriests

near wasp
#

I think he knows how to make plasma weapons

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Volkite is rarer than plasma

cerulean trellis
#

possibly, still knowing how to build something and udnerstanding how the thing works well enough to apply it to different things are vastly different

near wasp
#

If anybody knows how it'd be cawl

cerulean trellis
#

i mean yeah plasma is ancient technology so it has been produced for millenia wheras volkite is new, right?

near wasp
#

No

cerulean trellis
#

that is a fair assumption

near wasp
#

Volkite were the original intended weapons for the space Marines

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But switched to bolters for mass production

cerulean trellis
#

i thougth they were intended for the primaris not the original marines

near wasp
#

Great crusade

cerulean trellis
#

to be fair last astartes codex i touched was 6th edition, so pre indomitus era

near wasp
#

Cawl made volkite for his primaris

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But it was the emperors idea first

cerulean trellis
#

hm... seems also ratehr unpractical

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as volkite weaponry requires a prolonged sight line to the target until it fully charges and detonates

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wheras a bolter requires but a fraction of that

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that is to my understanding

near wasp
#

Maybe but volkite turns armor into paper

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Bolters are also just cheaper and easier to arm

cerulean trellis
solid horizon
near wasp
#

But melta is close range and plasma can explode in your face

solid horizon
#

30k ad mech is equipped with volkite stuff

near wasp
cerulean trellis
#

ofc, bolters also excell at dealign dmg to less heavily armored foes

solid horizon
#

mb I didnt read

near wasp
#

Bolters are also a fear weapon

solid horizon
#

space marines with space flintlocks would look funky lmao

cerulean trellis
solid horizon
#

isnt it because you overcharge it ?

cerulean trellis
#

so technically speakign a fresh from the artisan plasma shoudl have a way lower chance of going boom than an older one

near wasp
#

I mean just like any weapon it can fail

cerulean trellis
near wasp
#

But plasma just tends to be more catastrophic because the amount of energy

cerulean trellis
#

or in extreme situations

solid horizon
#

kinda funny how in old tabletop rules they were hazardous regardless of the way you used it

cerulean trellis
#

a normaly used plasma weapon shoudl never explode

solid horizon
#

plasma isnt that good tbh

cerulean trellis
solid horizon
#

melta supremacy gang

cerulean trellis
#

the downside to melta being it has short range

solid horizon
#

eradication rays all the way

solid horizon
near wasp
#

I like plasma

cerulean trellis
#

same

solid horizon
#

I like eradication rays and arc weapons

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they look funny

near wasp
#

In rogue trade I use a plasma pistol and just shoot until I explode

cerulean trellis
#

i prefer the holy trinity but plasma has a special place in my heart

solid horizon
near wasp
#

Nothing like turning a daemons heart into slag

cerulean trellis
#

noice

near wasp
#

I dislike arc tbh

cerulean trellis
#

demons having hearts?

solid horizon
#

radiator gun

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I like new hastarii and may be one of the only ones

near wasp
solid horizon
#

BECAUSE YOU CAN GIVE THEM ERADICATION BEAMS

cerulean trellis
solid horizon
#

old necron lasgun (back when everyone had one) looked like an eradication ray, maybe why I like them

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(eradication rays)

near wasp
#

Pewter?

wary fulcrum
rancid cove
#

Are there anti-psyker weaponry? Maybe also anti-psyker/warp field that once a psyker is inside of it they are unable to connect to the warp

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Had some ideas for a backstory for a character of mine but wanted to make sure

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If those type of equipment exist

wary fulcrum
#

Hexagramic wards, the stake crossbows

vagrant fox
#

Witch bolts, psykout weapons, culexus assassins, null-rods, banishing rods, several wardings

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null blockers

rancid cove
#

Are there any canon anti-psyker fields? Andy_hm

wary fulcrum
#

Pretty sure null collars exist too

heady rivet
#

A second, even better Psyker LunaGalaxyBrain

vagrant fox
#

null rods, banishing rods

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some sort of null collar yeah, psy dampers

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blanks in general

rancid cove
#

Ok now second question: I know when a primarch dies, a psychic wave in the warp happens so that every space marine feels it (that being why the Blood Angels were granted their Black Rage mutation)
If a Blood Angel marine was somehow in a situation where they're cut off from the warp while Sanguinius died, could they be able to avoid the mutation of the Black Rage?

cerulean trellis
#

oh sigsen was fasta

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also there are null cells

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and if you wanan go mass transport: the black ships are anti psyker

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voidmen that have high psychic resistancy

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sisters of silence

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null cells, null collars

wary fulcrum
heady rivet
near wasp
#

Teaching my boss about 40k

vagrant fox
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Blangels seem to have a high turnover rate mostly, a few most special boys aside

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Doubt being shielded would help in any way

near wasp
#

Trying to explain things in simple terms is hard

nocturne crest
#

Huh. Gundam is getting into the tabletop business.

rancid cove
#

Fuck

wary fulcrum
vagrant fox
#

I suspect it's more that Sanguinius' death was particularly stinky and how warp saturated the whole area was as well that made it affect the Blangels more than usual

wary fulcrum
#

There’s not possible at all, and not possible on it’s current form

rancid cove
vagrant fox
#

You can still do it if you just come up with a reasonable reason

rancid cove
# wary fulcrum What was it?

Blood Angel, who during the Heresy, was fighting a group of heretic astartes commanded by a sorcerer, fought off the sorcerer by activating a anti-warp barrier so that his powers wouldnt work after being cut off from the warp
Happened at the same time Sangy died, since he was disconnected from the warp and any type of warp related shenanigans he didnt feel it and never developed the black rage

wary fulcrum
#

To be fair, he might never develop it

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Not all BA get it

last stone
heady rivet
rancid cove
#

My idea would that be that his gene-seed is "purer" than others, having no sign of mutation/degradation whilist others still present signs of the Black Rage without developing it

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But oh well

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Ill come up with something else I guess

last stone
#

that would make him too much of a special muffin if you ask me

wary fulcrum
last stone
#

just as biological mutations

wary fulcrum
#

Black rage is different again

rancid cove
#

If it was any other media I'd avoid making overpowered OCs but 40k is just already filled with powertripping characters

rancid cove
wary fulcrum
#

But both are possible

Neither are guaranteed for BA

So your guy just never falling to either is entirely possible

rancid cove
vagrant fox
#

As is, stated a few times but I'm not sure it's a hard 100% truth, if they don't die in battle eventually they will feel the Black Rage coming at them

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But Mephiston overcame it so w/e

wary fulcrum
rancid cove
vagrant fox
#

Yeah but he almost fell to it in the Devestation of Baal but didn't because he's an important lad

wary fulcrum
vagrant fox
#

Lemartes just kind of lives with it on all of the time

wary fulcrum
#

If you plan for your character to outlast Dante and be the oldest living Astartes, sure it’s a worry to take into account

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If you don’t, you can just ignore it

rancid cove
#

Just was thinking of how making her avoid the rage

vagrant fox
#

Just be good at resisting it

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Some of them do that

wary fulcrum
#

Exactly this

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Like resisting crack

It probably feels great

Not a great idea to partake though

rancid cove
# vagrant fox Just be good at resisting it

Yeah I also thought of just making her resist it
Remembered of a (deathwatch book I think?) of a Flesh Tearer psyker almost going insane in a warp travel but literally rawdogging it completely screaming like he was going super saiyan

wary fulcrum
#

Yeah that works fine

vagrant fox
#

`Denial fails me. Phlegethon vanishes at once. I am on Terra. The Imperial Palace burns to the east.
No, it does not. It is Hive Profundis that burns. I know this. I cannot see it. The reality of Terra is firm. I cannot pierce the lie.
A figure blocks my path. In the burning fog of red and black, I cannot see the colour of his armour. If he seeks to interfere, he is an enemy. I raise the Blood Crozius.

‘Chaplain Lemartes,’ the shape says. ‘Brother.’ He knows me. I know him. Corbulo. Phlegethon. I am on Phlegethon.
But all I see, tinted crimson, is Terra. Thunder. Flashes. Shaking beneath my feet. Impacts. There is shelter here.

I cannot see the crater. The impacts are from the enemy’s cannons. Mounted on the stolen walls of the Palace. No. That is the lie. Surface from the rage.

‘What do you see?’ Corbulo asks.

Sinking. Sinking.

‘I see you,’ I croak. ‘Corbulo.’

‘Where are you?’

‘Before Hive Profundis.’ I lie. I cannot be shackled now. I must lead the attack.

I walk forward. I stop. I try again to force the vision away. It shifts, as if broken up by the meteor storm. I am not on Terra. I am on Horus’s battle-barge. Decking beneath my feet. Dark walls on either side. Vaults.

Lies. Lies. Lies.

‘Where are you?’ Corbulo insists. His shape gathers definition. A great eye on his armour.

No. No. No.

‘Phlegethon,’ I say. I think I do. My lips move. I cannot hear what I say for the clash of guns and the roars of battling Space Marines near me.

That must be a lie too. But I do not know.

All trace of the real is gone. All I can grasp is the shifting of the illusion. The knowledge that what I see is not real. If I lose that conviction, I am lost.

More words from the Traitor–
Corbulo.`

Just do as Lemartes and deal with it 4head

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Either way, sometimes it gets them as initiates, sometimes you get some marines who get fairly old and resist it the whole time. It's specific to each of them

rancid cove
#

I see

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So I could just make her resist trough it and eventually it just becomes a bad headache? NazrinHappi

vagrant fox
#

It'll probably never go away but if you want

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blangels resist it by having hobbies and Dante has his weird prophecy to save the emperor that keeps him focused. The Flesh Tearers mock the Blood Angels for having hobbies but also have a much higher attrition to the black rage

rancid cove
#

I think I remember reading somewhere that some chapters avoid the Black Rage by just accepting the red thirst and drinking a lot of blood and consuming human meat like bread

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I think it was the Angels Vermillion?

vagrant fox
#

Yeah they have The Sorrowing, involves bathing in blood and sacrificing a sanguinary priest

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It reduced the numbers falling but didn't eliminate it

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The Blood Drinkers accidentally made a deal with a daemon but it made their black rage much less likely at least

rancid cove
vagrant fox
#

Don't think it's said, maybe the same reason they mix their own blood with other blood in the red grail to purify it as such

rancid cove
#

I see

#

Welp I could just go the same route as the Blood Drinkers since my OC is a chaos warband leader

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Just make deal with daemons duh

vagrant fox
#

Chaos bargains is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural

rancid cove
#

Darth Sidious i know its you get out from the alt bruh

rigid dune
#

A tyranid carnifex can kill a space marine right?

vagrant fox
#

Very much so

#

Standard warriors should be roughly on par with a space marine

rigid dune
#

What would you compare to a carnifex? A knight?

vagrant fox
#

I suppose dreadnought but I don't know for sure

wary fulcrum
#

Depends

A dreadnought would probably be a match like

urban spire
#

space marines are heavy infantry, anything that kills regular infantry still kills space marines, just slower

nocturne crest
rancid cove
prisma lark
#

depends on whether the Space Marine has a name and/or a helmet 🤷‍♂️

rancid cove
#

Titus literally almost fucking dies by one at the start of sm2 game

#

He's saved by plot ofc

#

They had to put him trough rubicon surgery to survive

#

If anything a carnifex could probably kill like 3 marines but I'm not that knowledgeable in tyranids

wary fulcrum
vagrant fox
#

Elemental council was alright, did not like the ending

storm jungle
#

Another bad Sigsen take

#

-50 points

vagrant fox
#

+50

wary fulcrum
#

Net zero

storm jungle
#

Carnifexes are hulking, powerful Tyranid creatures used as living battering rams. They are often armed with the most powerful Tyranid Bio-weapons, and are used in shock assaults, spaceship boarding actions, massed battles, and for battering through fortified positions and tank formations.[1b][14b]

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They are more like biotanks basically

rocky gale
#

I think the Boarding action part is the most terrifying

#

Like imagine just chilling on a space ship and a tank tears through the wall

storm jungle
#

Imagine this fucker in an enclosed space, resident evill ass chase scene inbound

#

yeah literally lmao

#

it can also just melt/smash through most things so uh have fun with that i guess

rancid cove
# wary fulcrum You can kill that one like

Only if you learn the attack patterns after a while of gameplay and even then, the carnifex is strong and has a very resistant carapace
That shit will probably kill a good 4-5 marines before being put down for sure

storm jungle
#

it doesnt help that the Nids showcase in SM2 is like extremely bad lol

#

About anything the marines do makes zero sense

#

and would like not effect the war at all

rancid cove
storm jungle
#

The 5 carnifex part especially

#

"WE WON GUYS, THEY ARE ALL DEAD"

#

No dumbass they'd all go berserk and fucking kill you still

rancid cove
storm jungle
#

I wouldnt make a big deal of it but this game is a big introduction for alot of people and i see tons of "How can the Imperium win against Nids if all you gotta do is kill synapse creatures and all of them die"

rancid cove
storm jungle
rancid cove
#

Also don't nids who are cut off from the hive-mind turn into like, the most adaptive predator creature in the enviroment its in? Shit probably acts like a xenomorph and kills everything in its path

rancid cove
jade holly
#

Can’t wait for SM3 where we throw hands with 3 Defilers, 2 Forgefiends, a Lord Discordant on a Helstalker and Mutilators at the same time

rancid cove
#

The only thing that would convince me to pre-order space marine 3 on reveal is if they promise chaos armor unlock on PvE day 1

#

i've been praying every single day so they add chaos armor to operations on sm2 and nothing

jade holly
#

If the main enemy in 3 is Necrons

#

I cannot wait for that one mission where we fight a Skorpekh Lord surrounded by Hexmarks, LHDs and Skorpekhs

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And then an Ophydian digging around

rancid cove
jade holly
#

They call it Space Marines 3 because that’s how many Titus can be spared

rancid cove
jade holly
#

Mfw people really underestimate just how fucking broken Necrons are in lore

rancid cove
jade holly
#

Isn’t Szarekh low C’tan level?

rancid cove
#

no idea im a noob in necrons lore

#

i just know theyre overpowered as fuck

#

like

jade holly
#

Szarekh has the best Necrodermis body, the most cognitive clarity, has a C’tan shard powering his staff of light

rancid cove
#

casually time travelling and having soul erasing weapons

jade holly
#

And can speed blitz Space Marines veterans casually

#

Without trying according to the book he was in for the Blood Angels

#

And all Lord and higher rank Necrons have the ability to alter how they experience time, meaning they can amplify their reaction times by tenfold by experiencing everything slower

rancid cove
#

i wonder if theyre gonna make the scarabs an threat to be feared in sm3 if necrons are included

#

those bois in lore are terrifying

jade holly
#

I want to fight lore accurate Destroyers and Flayed Ones

rancid cove
jade holly
#

Imagine fighting a Doomstalker

rancid cove
#

aint them flayed ones trapped in the ghoul starts tho?

jade holly
#

Trapped?

rancid cove
#

not trapped

#

uh

#

just around there

jade holly
#

They have their own pocket dimension for free interdimensional travel

rancid cove
#

and iirc it mentions flayed ones having sort of a lair there

jade holly
#

That’s Novamarines I think? Guarding that one area

solid horizon
rancid cove
#

the only chapter that survived

solid horizon
#

space marines games are imperium propaganda

jade holly
rancid cove
#

i think it was 7 (or more) chapters who were sent there

jade holly
#

WAIT

rancid cove
#

and the only one who survived

#

was the nova marines

jade holly
#

C’Tan shard fight potentially

#

Like obv in lore that’s a FUCK NO situation

#

But imagine having a boss fight with a shard of the Nightbringer

rancid cove
rancid cove
wary fulcrum
jade holly
#

We learn the plot of SM3 is to stop the Nightbringer from reforming with other shards

Can I talk to you for a minute?

Titus, we are so fucked

rancid cove
solid horizon
#

who will win

wary fulcrum
jade holly
#

You know what I want to see actually for SM3?

#

A Monolith in action

wary fulcrum
#

It’s why Pausanias has a necrodermis arm

rancid cove
#

how does my chud look

jade holly
#

show us just how terrifying a monolith can be

solid horizon
jade holly
wary fulcrum
solid horizon
#

necrons spend time turning their HQ into final unit

#

which is a monolith that can teleport and blow stuff up

#

and contain necrons

jade holly
#

DA players wondering where my HQ went not knowing I pulled a Rick and Morty

wary fulcrum
jade holly
#

No, teleporting my base directly into another base

rancid cove
jade holly
#

what the fuck

raven stone
#

OK I am not one to entertain whining but this is pretty funny

#

And GW walked themselves into it

fervent geode
wary fulcrum
rancid cove
storm jungle
#

id take 10 of these over another racist circlejerk lol

jade holly
#

I just want a new Trazyn

solid horizon
#

give immortals a new model

near wasp
#

New trayzen would be nice if they dropped in sync with rt dlc

#

If they are gonna that's when they'd do it

rose thorn
#

Dog I am NOT watching this

#

“Stop with the balance updates”

#

???????

solid horizon
#

destructible ruins are good

#

but the rest

#

no thanks

outer wave
#

Why would you want to balance the game around d20s?

#

That changes the game fundamentally!

near wasp
#

Stupid people

languid meadow
#

when the only TT game you've played is DnD and Pathfinder

arctic talon
# rose thorn “Stop with the balance updates”

Some people have fake nostalgia for pre 8e GW style balance updates

which is it to say Orks were literally unplayable for 3 years straight because they had to pay 30 points for a fucking Rokkit launcha

#

Destructible ruins are a good idea and should come back lol

#

my wants for 11e are they bring initaitve back, pointed wargear costs and templates smarf

#

but the last one is like prolly not happening LOL

daring creek
#

I had a dream about nurgle

#

:(

solid horizon
daring creek
solid horizon
#

sorry lass I dont make the rules

daring creek
#

I killed several infected ogyrns in a playground while I was picking fruit

#

Like a large group of them with a mark 3 bolter

#

The emperor is proud..

wintry cloud
#

So funny

near wasp
#

I had a dream once where I was an ultra marine fighting off a horde of orks, died in glorious battle in a graveyard of destroyed land raiders

rocky gale
rancid cove
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The Four Legged Emperor has declared we attack
Trillions must be consumed

arctic talon
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TREEEEEEEES

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TREEEEEEEEEEEES

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TREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

celest dome
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Where's mag when we need her

languid meadow
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yoooo new DoK stuff

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they look so good god damn

rocky gale
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and the sex tree

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My friend who collects both Sylvanneth and DoK is freaking out

storm jungle
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Sex and also sex

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what a wonderful trade, thanks again AOS

arctic talon
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I will go insane if I pull this out on the tabletop and someone calls it a fucking sex tree

rocky gale
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😏

storm jungle
arctic talon
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You know what this is? And I’ll tell you what this is, it’s anti sylvaneth discrimination THIS

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GW please fix the fucking army rule and wyldwoods

heady rivet
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Its kind of insane to see so many people be like "Yeah Armageddon only went through half the planet falling to Orks and another half of the remaining land fall to Khorne and had Angron show up but wdym they cant solo this?"

While also whinging about "Erm Cadia exploded" like Cadians werent being exported to the entire Imperium constantly for 10 millenia

heady rivet
arctic talon
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Why not both

heady rivet
arctic talon
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tbh the full armor makes sense

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with what the unit role is

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lol

spring cairn
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midriff always good

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methinks

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all units should show it off

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on every faction

heady rivet
spring cairn
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yes

limpid granite
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hehe

celest dome
arctic talon
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Lord Invocatus has a crop top

heady rivet
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Catachan refresh will give us the dose of exposed abs this fuckin game needs