40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[heady rivet]

Blue eyes?

[urban spire]

holy shit

NOPE

[spring cairn]

oh by exoplanets i thought u meant illuminate homeworls or sum mb

[urban spire]

idk, kinda grey

[spring cairn]

im already playing agains the new stuff

[heady rivet]

No I mean like

Nvm

[urban spire]

i know what you meant

[arctic talon]

LOL

[vagrant fox]

Mind if a white boy nicknamed white dragon speak a little mandarin

[arctic talon]

https://youtu.be/HvOCttTKZwk?si=s7oosG8iIeGn1TQg

[heady rivet]

In multiple past lives for the past 200 years I have been a White sailor that dies in Hong Kong EVERY. TIME.

[urban spire]

that sounds bizarre

[arctic talon]

how so lol

[vagrant fox]

I thought he had the cwc shirt on and a sonichu medallion

[heady rivet]

He aint found out Robert E. Lee is White yet

Was

[urban spire]

feels like dixie shouldn't be coming out of that instrument

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/javier-bardem-anton-got-it-think-about-it-ok-gif-17428218

[arctic talon]

ah

[heady rivet]

There's a video of some Asian pop star dancing to Dixie

I seent before

[urban spire]

oh man peacemaker is such a shithead

[vagrant fox]

By dixie huanán will rise again

[heady rivet]

https://youtu.be/vkvZTvmTEO0 LOLE

[urban spire]

that's rancid

[arctic talon]

Guangdong

[vagrant fox]

Don't like that

Or guangdong

[heady rivet]

Fun little fact is it was Lincolns favorite song

[arctic talon]

all of Southern China shall rise again

actually lmao?

[heady rivet]

He had a band play it after the Gettysburg Address iirc

[urban spire]

the only version of that song i like starts "away down south in the land of traitors"

[arctic talon]

something something last bastion of resistance in China something something

I'd ask why southern China is like that but I already know why

So many fucking mountains

[urban spire]

you got somethin against mountains?

[heady rivet]

One of the best tunes he ever heard...

[urban spire]

huh?

[arctic talon]

no, but its why Southern China was often seen as a bastion of resistance against Imperial rule/rebellious/somewhere to have a last stand

lol

[urban spire]

oh man if i let lincoln listen to breakcore his head woulda just done that

[arctic talon]

Honestly yeah prolly

[vagrant fox]

Wonder how many people have died scrabbling over the south china mountains

[arctic talon]

a ton probably

have you seen them

[heady rivet]

Chinese history skirmish: 7 quintillion dead, two hemispheres rendered unlivable (Han strategic victory)

[vagrant fox]

They're very scenic

[urban spire]

the strategic victory?

i haven't seen the south china mountains actually what are they like

[heady rivet]

China has a very nice natural beauty rivalled only by the United States in terms of diversity

[vagrant fox]

Random song dynasty battle against the mongols 100k drowned gg no re

[heady rivet]

Shoutout to that one battle with 200k buried alive

[storm jungle]

"Every time I draw a dove of peace it looks like a ghost!"

[storm jungle]

🥀

[urban spire]

oh it's the ones from all the art

[heady rivet]

How do you even go about that to start

The logistics there

[vagrant fox]

Many hands light work

[urban spire]

you bury about 500, then you say fuck it, make sure the rest never show up anywhere by some other means, and put it in the record that you buried 200k people alive

[urban spire]

or you take like 20 people alive, grouse about how shit your numbers were for a while, then tell your historian to gussy it up a bit

[heady rivet]

China really did just have a huge population tbf

In 1700 they were a third of the world

[vagrant fox]

Just get 200k people to bury 200k people easy

[heady rivet]

What if in the process I start to like the guy

[urban spire]

yeah but i reckon we can apply occam's razor here

[vagrant fox]

Emperor said no

[heady rivet]

https://youtu.be/mxunVXiYIpg

[vagrant fox]

That just showed up in my recommend

It certainly sounds

[heady rivet]

We're connected

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-gachi-muchi-gym-gif-26208724

[heady rivet]

It sounds like I;m racist for listening to it

[vagrant fox]

Sounds like some mouse squeaking on occasion it's weird

https://youtu.be/_pO7BRNdJdc?list=RD_pO7BRNdJdc

This chud refuses to leave my recommend as well

[heady rivet]

Pls dont dox me

[vagrant fox]

Remove this from the world

[sacred bluff]

okay what are the numbers of dead iron fist in the iron cage

[vagrant fox]

A lot

[heady rivet]

0 because those arent a thing. But the Imperial Fists dont have a set number of losses, but we know they split into at least 6 chapters after

[rancid cove]

this homebrewing shit aint easy i only have 5k characters into my document and I already feel tired

[rancid cove]

I'm pretty sure there aren't any official numbers but also GW is incredibly bad at coming up with numbers overall

[urban spire]

james gunn really likes an extremely pathetic man huh

that's

why would you deny it like that

[rancid cove]

He really likes manfailures

[urban spire]

do you want people to think you were made in a petri dish?

[storm jungle]

Chris is a pathetic man in general

its what makes his journey great

[rancid cove]

https://tenor.com/view/vigilante-peacemaker-freddie-stroma-gif-24519396

[storm jungle]

Vigilante is my favorite femboy 😔

[rancid cove]

He's a twink not a femboy but I agree

[urban spire]

i was about to say

[rancid cove]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-the-evil-twink-will-pay-cat-writing-gif-4722793856859840711

Ferrus Manus moments before dueling Fulgrim

[storm jungle]

Same thing but yea

Chris meanwhile is a himbo

they are a true dynamic duo

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-gif-9388384639890532829

[storm jungle]

✋ 🔇

[rancid cove]

Femboy means a male individual (which most of the time has feminine features) who enjoy using female clothes
A twink is just a guy with feminine features

[storm jungle]

Didnt ask, quiet down pipsqueak.

https://tenor.com/view/bounty-my-love-chocolate-gif-16945131929720343229

[rancid cove]

Dilara doesn't know the difference between femboy and twink but knows the entirety of the lore from 40k and Helldivers

Incredible

[storm jungle]

I know the difference i just like ragebaiting

which you as ever fallen into

[rancid cove]

Like a rat to a trap with cheese on top

[storm jungle]

🪤

[rancid cove]

I am a fool

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-bite-cat-bite-gif-9310113311434746591

[urban spire]

ok i kinda like vigilante

[storm jungle]

"kinda"

Shes hooked chat

we'll reel her into the Vigi club soon

[urban spire]

he's like cunty napoleon dynamite

[storm jungle]

my friend described him as "Jeffrey Dahmer but he murders awful people"

lmao

he legit looks like a serial killer in the best way possible

[dapper gyro]

looks?

[urban spire]

oh yeah he is modeled on dahmer isn't he

that kinda sucks

[storm jungle]

Not really?

Thats just how the actor looks, he just has glasses

Dahmer himself is just some fucking pasty white guy with short hair lol

[rancid cove]

"awful people"
admits to kill someone for doing graffiti

[storm jungle]

Yeah and

[rancid cove]

you know what

fair

[rancid cove]

six seven!!!!

[young pecan]

Well was it good graffiti

[storm jungle]

dumbass

[heady rivet]

Fulgrim is a Primarch so by default he's a twunk at LEAST

[crystal forum]

those netflix "documentaries" just aura farming literal serial killers

[storm jungle]

Shut up loser

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1482490781133574355/image_V33.gif

[crystal forum]

femboys can identify as any gender fyi

it's not male specific

i know some trans femboys

[rancid cove]

yeah i forgot to mention it

[spark nebula]

Hypothetically speaking
If we got a genestealer cult as an enemy faction, what would their poxer/fodder unit be

[arctic talon]

normal humans armed with clubs prolly

or no proper fodder

like beastmen

who didn't have a skaven slave equivelent

[young pecan]

I love how expressive this actor is

[arctic talon]

they only had a clan rat equivelent

[young pecan]

Really sells senile asshole well

[arctic talon]

ngl

I'm not sure if there's any like

difference between the chaff

they kinda all die the same in Darktide

[young pecan]

The bruisers are the only noteworthy different chaff in my eyes

I can't tell the difference between the three different types of scab shooter chaff and three different types of dreg shooter chaff

[scenic trout]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HDxim9Xa4AIbyDP.gif

[crystal forum]

he was actually a mobster before being an actor

[daring creek]

what console are you expecting to die at somepoint

like which one first

[scenic trout]

The hell you mean what console

[crystal forum]

ps5

[scenic trout]

All consoles

[young pecan]

Do you mean brand or specific console variant

[swift adder]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-patrick-patrick-star-and-everyone-died-gif-11686502160601925661

[scenic trout]

PS5 is lacking any stuff, Switch 2 is just there and not receiving anything yet, Xbox series is already dead

[urban spire]

mismanaged to hell

well, the switch will be fine

[dapper gyro]

AI is killing all.

[crystal forum]

ps6 will come out before the next xbox

[swift adder]

Feels like the console wars are stuck in the past tbh

[daring creek]

pc has literally everything you need. the downside is if you want to play anything aaa youll need to break the bank.

[scenic trout]

It is everything you need unless you are broke

[urban spire]

dammit fucking shit

[scenic trout]

And the AI bubble is to burst

[rose thorn]

i heard id liek bounty tbh

[urban spire]

it's 3 am and the episode ends on a hell of a cliffhanger

[crystal forum]

invincible?

[urban spire]

the world hates it when cinless sleeps

[urban spire]

no, peacemaker

[rose thorn]

sleep is death

[crystal forum]

wait there's a new peacemaker season

[urban spire]

dilara got her claws in me

[scenic trout]

There's season 2

[daring creek]

yeahhh..... its just different games. and having games that aren't accessible across multiple platforms is how you die fast.

[urban spire]

i'm watching season 1 but yeah

[scenic trout]

There won't be another season sadge

[crystal forum]

mid show tbh

[scenic trout]

Kills the furry with rocks

https://tenor.com/view/spine-spine-removal-cat-cat-attack-cat-jump-gif-24277252

[crystal forum]

the show is just millennial writing as fuck

[scenic trout]

We get to see Nazis be killed brutally

Peak show

[crystal forum]

also the music taste is genuinely trash which i know is intentional but i fucking hate the theme song of season 2 so much

[swift adder]

What do they say marvel quips or some shit

[urban spire]

lets see, how old is james gunn

[crystal forum]

it's not that level but it's just unfunny to me most of the time

[urban spire]

born 1966

yep, millennial

that's us

the 1960s gang

[swift adder]

Born during the pre historic era

Yep millennial

Unc status

[urban spire]

i'm fucking 30 years older than i thought i was i guess

[crystal forum]

you are

[urban spire]

damn, sucks to learn i'm in my 60s, i was just getting the hang of being 30

[crystal forum]

feel ashamed

[young pecan]

watch peacemaker
all he's making is violence
0/10

[swift adder]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-age-old-gif-16379891

[crystal forum]

the show just has a weird vibe that i can't place at all

it's just not funny to me at all

[swift adder]

Should have called it lovemaker and have him violently make out with people too stop crime

[crystal forum]

and it has that modern superhero tv show cinematography that makes you want to vomit

[urban spire]

i heard someone call buffy fucking millennial writing

[swift adder]

Is it constantly miserable 24/7 or just really unserious

[urban spire]

most millennials were toddlers when that show came out, what the hell

[crystal forum]

to me millenial writing is stuff made for millenials not necessarily by millenials

[crystal forum]

it's a mix of serious and funny at times. there's some funny characters and it tries to continue the vibes of suicide squad movie

[urban spire]

this shit's made for everyone presently alive

[crystal forum]

if you've seen the movie it feels like it

[urban spire]

i mean, not kids i guess

[crystal forum]

but i find the movie way better ofc

[swift adder]

Would a game like sunset overdrive be considered millennial writing

That games my darling but it was written by insomniac

[urban spire]

it upsets me to have my whole generation blamed for shit like marvel

[crystal forum]

it should upset you

millennial writing can be good

sometimes

[urban spire]

so when millennials are writing shit what's it gonna be called then

i mean, we ARE writing shit now in fact

what do you call that

[crystal forum]

it's just that it's been the trend for like 15 years at this point so fucking everybody is tired of it

[swift adder]

I do find it funny when they refer it as such

Focus m

[urban spire]

when i write, which is a thing i do for fun, who the fuck is writing it if boomers are making the millennial writing?

[crystal forum]

you shouldn't let yourself be easily tilted by a generation wide term

[swift adder]

It’d prolly be gone by the time of the next trend anyway

Next thing to gawk at and get annoyed by

[urban spire]

i'm upset because the blame's getting shifted away from boomers

[crystal forum]

blaming any generation for something is dumb

[swift adder]

That’s almost anything nowadays

[urban spire]

"society these of days is bad because of the millennials" is the shit boomers say when they ruin the economy again and get upset young people aren't buying diamonds

not that we're all that young anymore

[crystal forum]

zoomers are already shitting on gen alpha

[swift adder]

Having an enemy and contrived narrative is more engaging than any type of nuance

[crystal forum]

it's been a trend since literally pre history

ancient greeks bitched about the young generation

[urban spire]

it's still a fucking dumb thing to do

[crystal forum]

ofc it's dumb

[urban spire]

you see any ancient greeks around? no, cause they're all fuckin dead, because they were DUMB

[swift adder]

Greeks are hella glazed nowadays

[crystal forum]

i will say the reason i use the term millennial writing is because you knew exactly what i meant by saying it

[swift adder]

Same with Vikings

[swift adder]

Focus F

[urban spire]

i knew it because i'd heard it from some of the worst people on the planet

[crystal forum]

it could be called anything tbh

[urban spire]

because i intentionally seek those people out for fun

[crystal forum]

it's just a very specific and annoying kind of writing

[urban spire]

so it's distressing to see someone i don't think is one of the worst people on the planet using the specific language of those people

[crystal forum]

anyways if the show was trying to get me to slowly like euro rock then it has only accomplished the opposite

i hate that genre more than anything now

[urban spire]

oh yeah i'm getting sick of the music fast

the intro's fun because it's so fucking dumb and i just tune out the music

[crystal forum]

if you're like me you will hate season 2's intro music

[urban spire]

but damn every time they play that halfassed rock an action scene or whatever

[crystal forum]

it's so bad

and the worst part is how catchy it is

it will stay in your head for months

[young pecan]

Tbf iPad kids are everything that Gen Z's parents thought they were but actually aren't

It's probably not as bleak as a lot say but still

[crystal forum]

genuinely what is peacemaker's music genre

i can't even get a straight answer on google

i refuse to just call it glam rock

it's so clearly small indie band european rock music

wtf there's a pumped up kicks cover in the soundtrack

and ofc it sounds like generic rock trash

i think home sweet home is the only song in the series i actually enjoyed

and thats because it's by motley crue lol

not some dogshit european band

man if they had the money to license motley crue why didn't they get kickstart my heart for an action scene ffs

[rancid cove]

Imperium when they see a slightly different human (their god is literally a mutant)

[civic gale]

is there any marine chapter that focuses on stealth?

[rancid cove]

Raptors

and pretty much Raven Guard overall

[civic gale]

ohhhh right those guys

[crystal forum]

raven guard and most of its other foundings

though most large loyalist chapters have a bunch of stealth dudes

[rancid cove]

yeah like

[fervent geode]

Sneaky Marines

[rancid cove]

all of 10th company of most loyalist chapers are filled with phobos armor marines

and those can be used for stealth

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shield-bashing-warrior-banging-gif-4338452386513641626

[crystal forum]

wiki

no sources

[rancid cove]

Yeah i clicked on it by accident instead of the lexi but its lore

[rancid cove]

Bruh

Lexicannum

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Vanguard_Space_Marine

Same info as wiki

[crystal forum]

it's not even the same info

[opaque coyote]

I have a bunch of these homophobic dog images

[rancid cove]

I need a collection of them

[remote widget]

What happened to space marine field police?

[fervent geode]

Consul Opsequiari no longer exist after the legions being broke up

Neither do the Ofanim

Nowadays Chaplains are responsible for marine discipline

[arctic talon]

became chaplains if you're referring to the 1e version

For the 30k one the role got roled up with chaps

[opaque coyote]

It's worth noting that apparently they had authority to also police any allies working with them along with their Legion

Actually worse than a commissar good lord

Imagine getting reprimanded by the fucking 7-8 foot tall super soldier

If they even do reprimands

[mossy peak]

is this really what imperial citizens believe

[opaque coyote]

Also apparently the Legions with the most opsequiari were the Space Wolves and the World Eaters.

Considering how the World Eaters are. I wouldn't be surprised if their inter-legionary policing was just beating them until they stop.

[opaque coyote]

Well from wherever planet she is.

The Imperium has a wide variety of beliefs

Including what the Emperor is

A sun god, a woman, a woman sun god

A god of battle

Etc.

But yeah generally the Horus Heresy is summarized (in the Imperium) as

"9 good dudes against 9 dudes from the warp"

They leave out the traitor part

Hell sometimes they even get who was traitor and who was loyal wrong

[plush mason]

so assuming the legend of Saint Messalina are true, i think its say to assume the daemon she fought in the wastes was a daemon of nurgle

[opaque coyote]

Pandorax had one of the Imperial Navy Lord Admirals mistake Lorgar as a loyalist

Horus is also used as a stand in for the devil/hell for swears funnily enough

TLDR; It depends™

[opaque coyote]

I mean apparently it did leave the deserts barren

Her teachings generally included a lot of burning stuff

It probably was a Nurgle Daemon

After all, even deserts still have plenty of life to infect

Also apparently she really didn't like the attention. She rejected every hymn made for her. She attempted to dissuade any form of worship or idolatry. In fact she hated being idolized.

So of course after she died, she got many more hymns, shrines, and cathedrals.

If she truly did exist, then she would be spinning at her grave.

[jade holly]

You assume WE have the impulse control to stop themselves from doing a violence?

[opaque coyote]

I mean stop doesn't necessarily mean that the individual stops themselves

They could be rendered incapable

[opaque coyote]

Also the Internal Police (I'm not calling them the opsequiari all the time) would probably also have nails

So... uhhb

Idk how exactly it would've even worked

Beyond just beating any offender

With keeping them alive being optimal but not necessary

[jade holly]

Well it’s WE so I have a guess

They just kill them lmao

[opaque coyote]

Yeah and due to them having the authority to police allies

...

[twilit musk]

hey hi i got a question about lore

[opaque coyote]

"Police Brutality? You're assuming there's anything left to brutalize."

[opaque coyote]

What is it?

[jade holly]

Police brutality? Why would we police that?

[twilit musk]

much as i know, black templars doesnt have a psyker, is it true?

[jade holly]

They hate Psykers yes

[opaque coyote]

I also just realized that they're probably a reference to the 1E Space Marines and how they were uh

"Very nice cops"

[jade holly]

Though I can’t remember if that was always the case

[twilit musk]

will they make acceptance for me...

[jade holly]

No

[languid meadow]

Playing re9

My heart

Aughhh

[jade holly]

BT are on the COMPLETE OTHER END of the term “Tolerance”

[twilit musk]

dang.

[opaque coyote]

There are no battle Psykers and/or Librarians in the Black Templars.

The only ones that exist are Astropaths and Navigators

And even then they're only kept around because otherwise, they wouldn't be able to fucking function

[jade holly]

Psykers in the eyes of the BT are “tools we’d rather get rid of but we can’t”

[opaque coyote]

Basically "We'll just kill them last"

[jade holly]

The last blood spilled on the infinite crusade

🗣️ 🔥

Is SM3 already in development not just announced?

[opaque coyote]

To be precise, they do actually venerate Navigators and Astropaths.

With Astropaths in particular being regarded as holy disciples that have communicated with the Emperor.

And Navigators being similarly honored due to them using the light of the Emperor as a compass

So basically...

It's like being the girlfriend of a white supremacist

"I HATE ALL PSYKERS (except you) AND I HOPE THEY ALL (except you) DIE!"

[mossy peak]

imperial planet that accidentally worships angron perturabo fulgrim lorgar mortarion horus magnus and curze

[scenic trout]

Season 2 changes the tone from the first tone with being more personal, character development and less action and humourous in which I loved the most about towards the final episodes

[vital ginkgo]

Are the color schemes for the chapters in sm2 the current lore accurate versions?

[midnight dragon]

No that's called common sense, the problem is you, you unironically believe that the norm for a weapon that can literally explode should be to fucking overcharge it often, you need to listen to yourself

[arctic talon]

I'm talking about in tabletop turns

also there isn't a fucking safe mode option

[midnight dragon]

Because they don't wanna die

[arctic talon]

thats not a thing

I always make my troops overcharge on the tabletop lol

[midnight dragon]

Yeah i onow

Know

Mf, im talking about lore

Why would I be talking about the tabletop

[arctic talon]

well people overcharge in lore due to despiration, same with not letting off the trigger

lol

[celest dome]

Depend, do you mean the ones that the people do with random colours pairing ? No

[arctic talon]

overheats happen due to user error under pressure

[midnight dragon]

YEAH KEYWORD DESPERATION

WHEN THEY NEED TO

[arctic talon]

Depends

Also its standard procedure to overcharge against some targets

I.E superheavies

I think you're taking me fucking around and joking a bit too seriously

[celest dome]

@arctic talon Tbf, there can be safety modes on Plasmaguns, it's just that most Imperial Plasmaguns don't have them

[arctic talon]

I do not think we have a single example of a safe mode on an Imperial plasma gun

Tau plasma is always locked to safe along with LoV ones

[celest dome]

Some of the old DAoT ones I guess

[arctic talon]

The Hurd overcharge their shit

[midnight dragon]

I wasn't actually saying that

[arctic talon]

those ones just don't overheat

[celest dome]

Hurd are a "live fast, live good"

[arctic talon]

tbh

Hurd plasma fusils are sick lol

I love their design

[celest dome]

And I respect that

[arctic talon]

the big one

thats a hrud gun

tbh its honestly surprising the Imperium doesn't have it as standard procedure to just always overcharge

considering how cheap human life is

The munitorum could just lie lol

Since heat dumps don't damage the gun

[celest dome]

Plasmaguns are more expensive I guess

[arctic talon]

Well

Plasma guns overloading is a heat dump

normally

containment failure is incredibly rare

heat dumps also tend to not kill someone

just cause horrific burns

[midnight dragon]

Wait it only overheats not epxlode?

[arctic talon]

Yes

thats what a heat dump is

plasma guns vent all the hot gas and vapor at once

to prevent a containment failure

this results in horrific burns on the user

but the gun doesn't explode

containment failure is extremely rare aside from a few notable in universe weapons

[midnight dragon]

Then yeah I believe the weapon is underated

[celest dome]

Doesn't TT have exploding Plasma

[arctic talon]

Containment failure occurs with the Plasma culverin and the Primaris plasma incinerator

[arctic talon]

nah hazardous isn't an explosion, its just a horrific heat dump

Well

hazardous on plasma isn't an explosion

the old rule was called "gets hot"

but the primaris plasma incinerator and the plasma culverin tend to fail horrifically

much to the detriment of the user lol

[shadow plover]

Thematically it is still a death by an explosion caused by overheating the weapon

[arctic talon]

Tbf wound = death depends lol

[midnight dragon]

Well then yeah idk what elite was talking about saying you're a coward for not wanting to overcharge it often,

[shadow plover]

it's death on infantry models (besides characters)

[arctic talon]

I mean I was referring to people treating their tabletop units

[shadow plover]

not just a wound

[midnight dragon]

Depends

[arctic talon]

Nah statistically you should almost always overcharge lol

[midnight dragon]

Why?

[arctic talon]

S7 is a bad breakpoint for what you're firing plasma into often

which is MEQ and other elite infantry

[midnight dragon]

Whats s7

[arctic talon]

strength 7

[midnight dragon]

Whats meq

[arctic talon]

Marine equivelent

sorry slang 💀

but S7 vs S8 is the differencing between wounding on a 3 or a 2

[midnight dragon]

Whats rhe equivalent of a marine in thsi case

[arctic talon]

Marine equivelents are Heavy armor aspect warriors, Some nid bioforms, tau stealth suits

Though MEQ is a bit more awkard now since statlines aren't as standard now

[shadow plover]

I forgor, it was changed in 10th, it's 3 mortal wounds. Earlier editions it was straight up dead dead. But basically still certain death

[arctic talon]

no it wasn't

gets hot was a single wound in older editions

and you could save it

[shadow plover]

9th and 8th it was "removed from play"

[shadow plover]

pretty sure you couldn't even save it

yeah that's 7th

or 6th

[arctic talon]

thats 7th

older editions also used it

but yeah 9th and 8th had the most punishing version

but lore wise plasma doesn't horrifically explode most of the time when overheating

it just dumps burning hot gas and steam on you

[shadow plover]

this is 9th and pretty sure 8th as well

[arctic talon]

which is really bad and you'll prolly need surgery lol

[arctic talon]

it is yes

[midnight dragon]

So bums and fodder

Is what I'm hearing

[arctic talon]

lol

[shadow plover]

a step above bums and fodder

[arctic talon]

nah fodder is its own catergory

GEQ = guardsmen equivelent

[midnight dragon]

No i was joking

[arctic talon]

actually

there's chaff

[midnight dragon]

I was making a jone

Joke

[arctic talon]

which is lower then GEQ

shit like grots LOL

[midnight dragon]

Zombies

[arctic talon]

poxwalkers are GEQ adjacent but they get no save yea

they get a feel no pain but its shit lol

ngl do you guys think a poxwalkers skin texture would be like raw meat

or like rotting flesh

[midnight dragon]

Dude my team just got absolutely grimdarked on a vecna ass looking darktide boss rn, this mf rushed me then strangled me in the air liek he was anakin skywalker

[arctic talon]

LOL

fucking Daemonhost moment

[midnight dragon]

We got squad wiped so fast

Omfg

[arctic talon]

yeah the daemonhost is a witch equivelent 💀

as in the L4D2 Witch

except the daemon host is way harder to fucking kill and way more dangerous

LOL

[midnight dragon]

Just drop the weapon and step back

[arctic talon]

Tbh yeah that’s the best option

But sometimes you don’t get a chance

Observe 💀

That poor tallaran

[midnight dragon]

So you have bums that are basically just homeless dudes with knives, marine corps type soldiers, then a standard special forces type of soldier, then a ultra heavy unit badass type of soldier (space marine)

[celest dome]

Is he ? I remember Witch being way more of a danger than DH ever were (though caused in part from us having more tools available than in L4D)

[midnight dragon]

Just

Wear

Firefighter gloves

[celest dome]

That would require the Administratrum having sent them to your regiment

[arctic talon]

Tbh that would help against the superheated water vapor

Not sure about the gas though

[celest dome]

Which they might have not

[shadow plover]

Witch can be magdumped with a spass but other than that she is pretty hard to handle if she gets close

[arctic talon]

Witch is easier to remove but she must be removed sometimes

[shadow plover]

daemonhost can be kited pretty well

[arctic talon]

Dameonhost is just an obstacle

[midnight dragon]

I swear there's probably a really easy answer for making the plasma.gun safer to use that the verse didn't consider

[shadow plover]

but the constant corruption aura is a problem for sure

[midnight dragon]

@arctic talon

[arctic talon]

Considering marines need amputation after overheats sometimes I doubt it 💀

But maybe

As in space marines

[shadow plover]

there's a reason why almost every plasma pistol wielding model has a prosthetic arm

[arctic talon]

Power armor no like superheated gas dump

[arctic talon]

It’s genuinely the funniest bit GW has ever done

[celest dome]

Yes, cause that's part of the reason for it, many things in the Imperium could be fixed with common sense, but if they were, the setting wouldn't be the same

[midnight dragon]

Poxwalkers? The skinny ass zombies that have axes are the equivalent to guardsmen?

[arctic talon]

Adjacent

Same toughness rating

Way shittier save and weapons

[midnight dragon]

Those things are literally just zombies

They don't even sprint

How are they adjacent to guardsmen

[midnight dragon]

Damn really?

[arctic talon]

Yeah really

[shadow plover]

cue the astartes plasma blowout

[arctic talon]

Durability

The EQ classifications only care about durability

Because it’s what matters for mental bracketing

There’s an increasing number of NEQs lol

Nob equivalents

[shadow plover]

it's used for "how many MEQ models can I kill with this attack"

[arctic talon]

But I don’t think that term will ever catch up

But yeah poxwalkers are not nearly as dangerous as a guardsmen ever

But there’s a lot of them and they can catch bullets

[midnight dragon]

Wow it's no wonder the US military lost in the walking dead when zombies are equivalent to frontline infantry

[arctic talon]

lol

Poxwalkers are scarier then walking dead zombies

They can “sing”

Which is a vector of infection

Unique to the walking pox

Anyone who hears their song and is not sufficiently strong enough mentally will be infected with the walking pox

Most of the nurglite zombie plagues in 40k has some extra fun ways of spreading beyond just person gets disease

Like the plague of unbelief which infects anyone who holds doubt in their convictions after witnessing the effects of it

[shadow plover]

The Torment actively influences the people infected to spread it further

[midnight dragon]

Speaking of nurgle

Our darktide characters gotta have pretty strong immune systems to even exist next to a infected individual, like how does anyone fight nurgle without just getting sick

[shadow plover]

ludonarrative dissonance

[midnight dragon]

Ok so i was using the plasma gun and I see why people would have it overheat now, my nerves were high, I had no reserve ammo yet, and a shit ton of pox walkers were running to us so I kept charging it and shooting hoping the shots to 100 wouldn't count then well, it blew up

[wary fulcrum]

You died a martyr to the imperium

The bell of lost souls shall toll in remembrance

[vagrant fox]

Entirely serious guardsmen are expendable nobodies and if they don't want to overheat their little guns they're cowards

Signed, upper hiver noble

[urban spire]

also, notably, veterans themselves prefer the overheating guns

like a fuckin gamer whining about skill expression

"it's not as good if i cant accidentally kill myself!"

[midnight dragon]

Whats the bell of lost souls?

[midnight dragon]

My body.. for super ea- I mean the god emporer!!!

[midnight dragon]

You mean veterans of the guard?

[urban spire]

yeah

[midnight dragon]

I think the best solution to this is to have a side arm thats essentially a lasgun uzi

[urban spire]

veteran isn't a rank exactly afaik, but veterans are usually given responsibility for special weapons

like plasma guns

[wary fulcrum]

It’s two thinks

Firstly, a really shit clickbait website who’s owners are banned from many social pages for stealing peoples work and using them in their headcanon is lore articles without permission

Secondly - it’s a huge church like bell on Terra which tolls when heroes or martyrs of the imperium die

[midnight dragon]

I checked this message while in a elevator then got stuffed to the brim from 8 machine guns and died

[wary fulcrum]

That might not make a toll tbh

[urban spire]

on the subject of sidearms i do wish you could have one in darktide

[midnight dragon]

Explain the drama behind the first one

I was just about to get off of darktide but then the game decided to give me doom slayer's super shotgun

A ORANGE one

[rancid cove]

Holy shit the new ios update fucking sucks shit

The entire ui is horribly ugly now

[midnight dragon]

Literally my reaction ANYTIME discord does a UI update:

[wary fulcrum]

Oh that’s pretty much in

They started just making stuff up and posting it as rumours years ago, clickbait before clickbait really took off

And then they’d join groups and take peoples pictures, use them to advertise the posts and post them in the articles without crediting anyone.

They’re the guys who really pushed ‘gw gone woke and killed Slaanesh’ in AoS, until someone went through and pointed out Slaanesh was mentioned more times than any other god (except maybe Khorne?)

[midnight dragon]

Why did they mention slaneesh so much

[rancid cove]

Wwwwwoooookkkeee!!!

[civic gale]

Hello lore chat

[urban spire]

oh come onnn not more multiverse shit

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-turning-head-confused-cat-rizalalthur-orange-cat-behavior-gif-10491959385063137392

[wary fulcrum]

Mostly to say ‘Slaanesh is missing!’

[midnight dragon]

Whats that even suppse to mean

[rocky gale]

When Fantasy ended Slaanesh ate all the souls of the Elves, so in AoS when they wanted to bring the Elves back they had to trap her in a machine and suck all the souls out. Slaanesh is technically still trapped in said machine, but the seals are weakened and Daemons are leaking out.

Chuds interpreted that as GW trying to remove Slaanesh from the settings to make them PG

[paper haven]

While I am wary of GW trying to sterilize their setting for more mainstream appeal, this event was not an example of that.

[midnight dragon]

If you took slaneesh out the setting it still be 15+

[rocky gale]

Yep

But it's best not to expect intelligence from Chuds

[paper haven]

What does Chud even mean? I know what people it's talking about, but I have no idea what the word means.

[last stone]

Dumb Chad's I believe

Which in turn are those "manly mans" who are the most important, alpha's?

[rocky gale]

Cannibalistic humanoid underground dweller is the original meaning

[celest dome]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/slang/chud

[limpid granite]

Its a reddit term

[rocky gale]

People in stories that are forced or chose to live underground and overtime devolve into savage monsters that consume others without care, just to fulfil their own sustenance.

Morlocks from the Time Machine, Falmer from Skyrim, Crawlers from The Descent

Etc etc

[civic gale]

I remember when brainrot was Oxford's word of the year

[rocky gale]

Last year's was Ragebait

[vagrant fox]

crazy that elemental council goes from a mid book to a pretty interesting one halfway through

[rancid cove]

I wonder what's this year gonna be

Has gooning been one already?

Anyways
I got a question about necrons

What material are their bodies made of? And what exactly is that green energy that powers them?

[rocky gale]

Necrodermis

Made of Living Metal which is actually made up of millions of tiny nanomachines

Dunno what the green energy is

Probably Mountain Dew

[celest dome]

Most of their green stuff is Gauss stuff

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Necrodermis

[solid horizon]

scenarium + plot armor + revivium alloy

[fervent geode]

Egyptian Senator Armstrong species

[solid horizon]

the real answer ? everyone is made of plastic in warhammer

except old super manly guys made of metal

[fervent geode]

The energy is just their internal energy i guess, iirc it doesnt have to be green, the mephrit dynasts have orange and some other one has blue

[solid horizon]

green energy necrons with standard grey and black are the ultramarines of necrons

necrons used to be white with gold and blue

and sometimes red energy

until they got their definitive look

[fervent geode]

I remember the silver crons

[solid horizon]

depends on the photo but they used to be really light metal

I knew necrons before they got rusted out (4-5 edition)

[fervent geode]

Oh yeah these guys

And pariahs

[solid horizon]

super classic

these were really shit to assemble tho

rifle was way too heavy for arms so it always ended up falling while the glue stiffens

[fervent geode]

Oh lmao like abby's old arms

[solid horizon]

yeah

also old necrons were exclusively ball joints, with obviously balls too small to fit the hole

[fervent geode]

Amazing design lol

[solid horizon]

[near wasp]

So apparently my name got brought up at the supervisor meeting yesterday. Apparently the Manager complimented me in front of all the supervisors. Looks like that raise in 3 months will be mine

[rancid cove]

Nanomachines, son

[rancid cove]

[celest dome]

Congratulation 👏

[rancid cove]

That's cool, so their energy could look like any color purely dependent of their dysnasty?

[fervent geode]

Apparently it has adjustible frequencies yeah

But im no expert on the crons

[rancid cove]

Heh, crons almost sounds like a slur
Are there any slurs for them inside the imperium? I know they call orks green skins (which i dont think is a slur for them), tau they call them something related to fish? Eldar are the pointy-ears

[near wasp]

Rust buckets

[jade holly]

The Szarekhan color scheme

[fervent geode]

Just abomination will do

[fervent geode]

Also the orks call them tinheads or sum lmao

Always them with the funstuff

[rancid cove]

Tinheads is nice

[solid horizon]

tinhead or tinface

[rancid cove]

I gotta try and learn ork dialect man, its so fucking funny

[solid horizon]

iirc gorgutz would call the pariah tinface in dark crusade

[fervent geode]

Its js british hooligan/chav slang lmao

Funny brit talk

[solid horizon]

skinhead slang

[rancid cove]

I know this yet I'm never able to write like them
Guess I'm not built to talk like an ork

[fervent geode]

We ain't brits twin😔

Actually that might be a good thing

[solid horizon]

boss Kurbstompa finna smash sum humies to deff

[rancid cove]

My teeth are perfect and I can see the sun so I'm not as grumpy

[fervent geode]

Dis ell sho em umie gitz hooz da boss

[solid horizon]

waaagh !!

[fervent geode]

You don't have to train in the way of shiv to survive

[rancid cove]

Insert Wolfenstein stab minigame scene

[jade holly]

Spiky Boiz, Umies, Tinheads, Genesneakers, Beakies… am I missing any other Ork terms

What do they call Votann?

[rancid cove]

Shortstacks

[jade holly]

[rancid cove]

Squats is a in canon derogatory term for them

[vagrant fox]

stunties

[rancid cove]

You can also call them "funsized"

[solid horizon]

whitz grotz

[jade holly]

What about Eldar?

[vagrant fox]

pointies, scrawnies

[rancid cove]

European

[jade holly]

Damn, that’s too far

[solid horizon]

arent orks more accurate depictions of europeans tho

[rancid cove]

I hold a big hatred for them

[jade holly]

Orks are accurate UK rep

[rancid cove]

Brits are their own thing

Savage monsters

With jagged teeth

And inhuman language

[fervent geode]

Ghosts apparently, because of their tech

[final dagger]

Is warhammer and warhammer 40 k the same universe

[vagrant fox]

No, only connected through the warp

[rose thorn]

Not literally connected

Also not even the warp, it’s just the chaos gods

[final dagger]

Interesting

So its multiverse situation then

[vagrant fox]

`

Q : Grombrindal – I have a question for you. There are four Chaos Gods in the Mortal Realms – Nurgle, Khorne, Tzeentch and Slaanesh. But wasn’t Slaanesh created by the aeldari in Warhammer 40,000? How does that work? Any words of wisdom?

A : Eugh, a Chaos question! I really must sort out my contract so I don’t have to answer them. Anywho… the Realm of Chaos is a mystical place that spans all of existence, stretching across dimensions and time – sometimes it’s called the Realm of Chaos, sometimes the warp, Empyrean, Immaterium, Formless Wastes, Land of Lost Souls or simply the Abyss – it’s all pretty much the same thing. In the Warhammer 40,000 universe it’s said that Slaanesh was created by the aeldari. After his (or her) creation, Slaanesh was then free to journey across the Realm of Chaos, where he (or she) crafted a realm of pleasure and excess in which to dwell. From this point on, Slaanesh could send his (or her) minions – be they mortal or daemonic – across the Realm of Chaos, either into realspace, to the world-thatwas or now the Mortal Realms (and countless other places). Seeing as how similar the aelves are to the aeldari, it’s no wonder that Slaanesh took such an interest in them!`

Essentially

[celest dome]

Ye, each universe have their own warps, but the Chaos domains invade it from somewhere else

[civic gale]

Gaming

Hi lore chat

[rancid cove]

It's just cool that Chaos and the Warp just completely fucks up time as a concept

Sure Slaneesh was birthed by the eldars in 40k at a specific date and time, but the Warp isn't limited by the concept of time at all and therefore, after Slaneesh was birthed she began to exist past, present and future and across anything else

[rocky gale]

Ye so the pre Slaanesh Eldar had temples for worshipping Slaanesh before she was born

[nocturne crest]

So sort of like IT/Pennywise?

[urban spire]

idk how that tracks with slaanesh eating all eldar souls

nah time has to be at least somewhat linear in the warp, otherwise the other eldar gods would still be around

[celest dome]

That's possibly not accurate anymore, as we know that while the Domai existed prior to the coalescence, the "God" don't necessarily (See the Emperor being heralded as a future Chaos God)

[urban spire]

them being eaten wouldn't stop them from showing up post-fall if time was non-linear

[rocky gale]

They got eaten in the warp

The warp is non linear to us, so when Slaanesh was born in the warp, she suddenly existed throughout all time in the material, but the Eldar gods were consumed in the warp

[rancid cove]

The Warp is incomprehensible, time and physics has no real meaning there

It just acts

[rancid cove]

That would be accurate if it happened in real space but it didn't since they were eaten in the warp and so their existence is removed completely

It would be the equivalent of killing God in Heaven

[final dagger]

So whats the closest thing to punisher in 40 k

[urban spire]

american comic book hero, he has no clean parallel in 40k

but like, punisher's just a vigilante with a poorly defined theme beyond his iconography

[rose thorn]

The warp term is only a 40K thing, in every other setting it’s just the realm of chaos

[urban spire]

it's kinda mechanically the same in 40k and old world

although in old world you can walk or sail to the realm of chaos by just going north for long enough

idr if there's a southern polar portal, i think so but i don't wanna say for certain

[vagrant fox]

Yea

[urban spire]

and the planet in old world is much better protected than basically any planet in 40k

it might not seem like it, but think about it: two fucking open portal to chaos just hanging out and the territory in between them is relatively liveable

thanks high elves, i guess

the winds of magic from the old world are notably absent from 40k though, which imo is to 40k's detriment

because the winds are fucking cool

i'm completely unbiased

[rose thorn]

The warp is a neutral afterlife super hell that is the origin of all magic, which is separate from the realms of chaos within it

AHAHAAHAHAHAH

YESSSSSS

[urban spire]

i no longer have beef with AoS but i still think sigmarines look kinda lame

well idk, did they ever drop the golden armour aesthetic?

[rose thorn]

Don’t, paint them gold?

[civic gale]

So uhh

Raptors was it?

[rose thorn]

The gold ones are hammers of sigmar

[civic gale]

The stealth marines?

They are pretty cool

[rose thorn]

Raven gaurd?

Or Phobos?

[urban spire]

i don't touch the tabletop that shit's for nerds

[rancid cove]

Yes Raptors

[rose thorn]

[rancid cove]

There are 2 type of Raptors in 40k

The mutations that happened to the Raven Guard

And the chapter

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[rancid cove]

The chapter is full of sneaky, sabotage and infiltration based

[rancid cove]

(Well maybe 3 if you consider the Chaos Raptors)

[urban spire]

idk i think i maybe just don't like it when armour looks heroic, ends up looking too cartoony

check this out though: long coat over breastplate with a full helmet

give me that gunpowder fantasy shit, put it in my veins

[rose thorn]

Cities…. Of sigmar,

[urban spire]

yeah darktides art rules

[celest dome]

Well yes cause it's the same thing in fantasy and AoS

Each setting in theory would have their own name, like 40k use Immaterium, Warp, and a couple of others

[urban spire]

40k is cursed with a futile attempt to dial down the fantasy theme

[rose thorn]

ohh, sorry i thought you were saying that every warhamemr setting has its own literal warp

[rancid cove]

Its the warp just named differently, basically

[urban spire]

yeah 40k uses esoteric terms to sound marginally less fantasy

[near wasp]

The mangaka of apothecary diaries got arrested, luckily it was for tax evasion

[rose thorn]

the properiteis of the warp are unique only to 40k, space psychic hell

[celest dome]

I can respect that

[rancid cove]

Based

[urban spire]

ok the thing about the warp in 40k is that people mostly interact with it in space, where there (usually) is no ground on the other side of the veil

but there are planets in the warp

they're largely awful

[rancid cove]

People can physically land on chaos gods realms in 40k

So the warp is just more filled with actual voids rather than land compared to fantasy

[urban spire]

i reckon people just don't have the means to travel much in fantasy

so obviously they can't get off the ground so to speak with exploring the far reaches of the realms

beholden to whatever terrain's imposed on them, with some rare exceptions

largely i really like warhammer fantasy but it does kinda bother me that the world's only like six thousand years old in setting

[rancid cove]

Not really a fan of fantasy cause me not likey medieval themes all that much

They have some stuff I like tho

I'm very fond of the lizardfolk

[urban spire]

it's not quite medieval, more napoleonic i think

[rancid cove]

It's pretty mixed all together

[rancid cove]

Lizardfolk and the Skaven
honestly my two favorite factions from there that I give a fuck about

[urban spire]

that's fair, and some things relate more to fiction than real life history, but the empire specifically is like

[queen laurel]

Honestly warhammer fantasy orcs are my least favorite warhammer orc

[urban spire]

idk maybe napoleonic is too late, but late medieval maybe? not what people usually think about when they say medieval anyway, capitalism is revving up, industrial revolution is on the horizon, revolution in general is on the horizon, there are still formations of pikemen and heavy cavalry charging around but you've got nuln churning out muskets and artillery

[queen laurel]

age of sigmar and 40K just have much more interesting ones

[rancid cove]

It's just a mix of stuff, not very specifically medieval or napoleonic

But I'm just not that much of a fan

I honestly prefer the sci-fi themes 40k has + the only "fantasy" setting I ever enjoyed is DnD

Bg3

[urban spire]

that's forgotten realms, D&D has lots of settings

FR is good though, ed greenwood's a steadfast ally

FR has had trans characters since before hating us got popular

[queen laurel]

How many settings are there in total

[urban spire]

i don't fuckin know, shitloads

like off the top of my head: greyhawk, forgotten realms, dark sun, spelljammer, points of light

uuuuh

fuckin

planescape

[queen laurel]

over 20 after a quick search it seems

[urban spire]

"but cinless some of those are the same setting"
they didn't start out that way, they got merged because D&D wanted to do some cosmology shit

[civic gale]

Today is a sad day for all of Cinema btw

[rancid cove]

I know just also not a big fan of how they do the other settings, much more into the medieval fantasy vibe forgotten realms has

[civic gale]

The legend known as Chuck Norris passed away

[urban spire]

eberron

idk if sad is the word i'd use

[solid horizon]

norris passed away and he's going to hell to beat the devil

[urban spire]

wow what a cool dude

[young pecan]

All of the memes about his being a badass like ten years ago were fraudulent as hell

Thank you for making me glad he is dead

[urban spire]

yeah, nasty dude, glad he's gone

[rancid cove]

Didnt know he was an asshole, unfortunate
Bros burning in hell lmao

[outer wave]

Happens to the best of us (to the former comment I mean, not the latter lmao)

[solid horizon]

Yummy human flesh

[urban spire]

funger!

funger spotted

[solid horizon]

give me guts to make necklaces and skin to make scarves

[urban spire]

john rimworld android

[near wasp]

Bro intestines arnt good for necklaces

[rancid cove]

My favorite...

[solid horizon]

I'll seat on a chair made of their bones

[rancid cove]

Funger.... my beloved...

[solid horizon]

I'll hail my people with a wand made of skull

[near wasp]

Use tendons my guy if you break up the fibers and weave them you get better thread

[urban spire]

finished funger 2 in, idk, january? that game's sick

[solid horizon]

And I'll light candles made of their fat

[urban spire]

i was completely spoiled on funger 1 so i haven't bothered finishing it, but funger 2 i went into mostly blind

such a good game

[near wasp]

I wonder what kind of psychological torment my players have planned for me tonight

[raven stone]

Painting and LOTR stuff.
WarCom sure is keeping things quiet in the run up…

[young pecan]

Is dunger good or is it cheap horror

[rancid cove]

It's good as fuck but considerably heavy for most people

M-muh problematic media!!!

[young pecan]

I've had some people tell me it's actually good but I ask every time it comes up because the first interaction in the game I had with the first enemy you meet was a big brute with a giant peenar whose first words were literally "R...r4pe..."

To me it was more just that like

That kinda design is cheap horror

[heady rivet]

Erm, automod evading. Kill him forever

[rancid cove]

the thematics are very brutal but its a good game, just very hardcore on the contents and gameplay difficulty (took forever for me to get past the introduction)

[heady rivet]

I like that we can say semeb but not the other word. We gotta be professionals here

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-gif-12323525643593601978

[young pecan]

I've seen a couple things that seem to suggest that there are very unreactable and predictable major losses completely out of your control even with general game knowledge and decision-making, are those one-off instances or is that a staple

[solid horizon]

ive got a question for lore nerds

can renegade space marine join a renegade legion ?

say for instance a blood raven becomes a renegade

[rancid cove]

Its because some times it's complete RNG because it has a coin flip mechanic
You literally can just die for being unlucky on a coin flip lmfao

[solid horizon]

can he theorically join world eaters ? (it's purely for example)

[young pecan]

Oh I mean other than coin flips LOL

[rancid cove]

Yes he can

[young pecan]

Like I saw one thing where an enemy just grabs a party member through a hole in the wall and there's no way to react to it

[rancid cove]

Other than that idk, theres the average JRPG game combat so you can die for just not being able to hit the enemies or WHERE to hit them

[young pecan]

Or one where there's an invisible pitfall trap that kills you instantly

[rocky gale]

I had an NPC tell my players one of the villagers they met earlier had been killed by a monster, then later they saw the villager who was killed waving at them, he then vanished. They didnt think it was weird and left the village without following it up.

Players man

[rancid cove]

I once died to a guy because I tried to sleep on a bed, a weirdo kidnapped me and then put me on a stretcher until all my members snapped off from their sockets completely

[rancid cove]

Any renegade/chaos marine can join other warbands (as long as the warband accepts them/has the custom of accepting others)

[solid horizon]

yes but

what I meant is

a legion

I know legions have several warbands

[young pecan]

Just put the big glowing arrow on the HUD compass element bro 💔

[solid horizon]

but the question is

can a renegade join a renegade legion even though he was not from this legion in the first place

or does it have to be a warband

[heady rivet]

Pretty much all the legions arent really a thing anymore. They all went their own ways into the warbands. They just get together for the big ones but even then, they mostly keep to themselves

[rancid cove]

Well for the legions I am very unsure but I don't doubt they would still use them anyways, so maybe they can join them if they are deemed worthy

[heady rivet]

That being said, Black Legion is what you want. Its the big tent party, with everyone. Renegades, OGs, Chaos undivided, single God worshippers

[solid horizon]

basically I have this iron warrior dark mech hybrid warband

I wondered if renegade space marines could theorically join it

[rancid cove]

Yeah Black Legion is probably the best legion, I use them and Red Corsairs as inspiration for my own homebrew warband because of how versatile they are

[rancid cove]

You can make anything you want with them since its your warband, but other warbands/renegade joining the likes of Red Corsairs, Black Legion and etc

Its up to you if they accept others to join em

[solid horizon]

if one day I add legionaries to my current army (which is likely not going to happen before a long time) I kinda want them to be remnants of a renegade chapters joining it

[heady rivet]

Anyone can join a Warband, but they wont be Irion Warriors. They would be a renegade in the Iron Warrior warband, ya dig?

[solid horizon]

but it would mean they get their whole armor repainted and the thought of that is funny

[rancid cove]

They are iron without but not within

[solid horizon]

the probably only thing my army has from iron warriors is the scheme and warlord tbh lol

[rancid cove]

That is probably most warbands, since making more gene-seed is impossible and they reuse old fallen brothers and dead loyalist marines to make new ones

They're very mixed

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/freddy-icarley-icarly-freddyyeah-yeah-gif-19387991

[rancid cove]

If only Bile's primarch clones were still a thing maybe they could extract fresh gene-seed off of them

But alas those aren't a thing anymore

[solid horizon]

warpsmith escaped alone from a very tough battle with legions of daemons caused by divine outrage, he ended up on a very radioactive industrial planet, allied with a dark mechanicum cult to take over it and mass produce various daemon engines (once again).
His army is made of various stuff ; daemon engine infantry, dark skitarii and cybernetic mutant renegades/cultists
I have no explanation to why they all have the iron warrior color scheme, maybe dude went "Paintjob is cool let's paint everything with that"

[rancid cove]

Makes sense he would just force them to use his color scheme

To be perfect they have to be iron within and iron without

Rule out the weak, keep the strongest and make them an Iron Warrior in spirit

[solid horizon]

couldnt find the specific decals I use fot the logo

[swift adder]

https://youtu.be/0KE-TPVJUSU?si=CyTEOC2oYn9bWAkL biggest troll ever

[limpid granite]

Steel legion is at adepticon

[rancid cove]

That goes hard as fuck, looks better than my warbands symbol tbh

[solid horizon]

well

it's horus heresy mechanicum and iron warrior decals slapped together

[rancid cove]

Still looks cool

Mine was made by a bunch of different pictures I found on pinterest

[solid horizon]

horus heresy ad mech and IW logos are the best respectively compared to 40k

[rancid cove]

This was unironically hard to make

[solid horizon]

do you paint it on minis or do you make special decals ?

[solid horizon]

I also like the HH IW logo because I use a 2nd ed necron as a chaos android (and it uses crucible of champion rules)

chaos daemon engine branding 100

[rancid cove]

I don't own any minis for multiple reasons (pricing due to my region, lack of ability to paint and lack of financial condition), I just write lore for them for fun and use an old ass russian app that hasnt been updated since 2019 to make some cool armor designs but its very limited to how I actually imagined

[solid horizon]

oh ok

[rancid cove]

This is as close as I got from minis (plus 2 joytoy figures)

[solid horizon]

well tbf I'm very poor as well and my minis are either second hand, originals from back when they weren't overpriced or recasts

my army is very unimpressive

[rancid cove]

I have thought of buying them third party but the price range is almost the same as the official GW prices so fuck me
Plus taxes for international shipping

[solid horizon]

I know a very good legit recast site with free shipping and half the official price

plus minis that are now impossible to get officially

[rancid cove]

If you could share it with me (on dms obviously), id appreciate it

[rocky gale]

Now freehand it on 1000 space marine models

[rancid cove]

If I had the money for it I would, trust me

[solid horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/mugik-gif-24179122

after 5 models you get used to it

I can paint hazard stripes very mechanically now

[rancid cove]

Very jealous

[wintry scarab]

Holy RIP

[solid horizon]

im just lazy to do it on every model because the way I do it, it takes 6 paints + a wash

[rancid cove]

Another thing that would make me stray further from the idea of painting minis is the paint, but I kinda really wanted to start trying to paint
Maybe just assembling them would make me happy

[solid horizon]

contrary to what I was originally thinking, the bigger stripes are the more difficult it gets

[surreal nest]

All they gotta do is an upgrade sprue for krieg and steel legion are the same exact thing

[rancid cove]

Copium until GW announces the new steel legion

[solid horizon]

unfortunately painting gear doesnt come in knockoff form 😔

paint and stuff represent a significant part of the budget alas

I assume contrasts were more or less thought as a solution to this problem but im not really sure

[rancid cove]

Yeah id have to just find a local place to buy cause aint no fucking way im buying paint from gw

[solid horizon]

it takes balls of tungsten, or real stupidity to think GW doesnt love money

it's just that paint in general regardless of the brand is expensive

[rancid cove]

Every corpo does thats why theyre successful

[solid horizon]

cheap paint is well... cheap paint

[rancid cove]

True...

[solid horizon]

it's like very cheap unregulated food

the packaging may look good but the result is questionnable

[midnight dragon]

@heady rivet

[heady rivet]

❓

[midnight dragon]

I was looking to get into the tabletop and I've always liked this group in the tau called the Gue'vesa (human helpers in tau language), tldr they are just humans who defected to the tau, and I noticed that there's no official thing for them, is that common for something that exist in lore to not exist in the tabletop?

[shadow plover]

Was just about to come here to say "good riddance"

[heady rivet]

Yeah its pretty common to have lore thats not on tabletop. Especially with Tau auxiliary species. Kroot and Vespids get all the auxilia love

[last stone]

They aren't really a faction.

[heady rivet]

They're as much a faction as the Administratum. Actually scratch that, even those have some minis floating around

[midnight dragon]

Why not?

[midnight dragon]

Oh ok

[celest dome]

They're intermingled in the other factions

[celest dome]

And neither does the Qdministratum get minis or rules that are "stand alone", they're segwayed into other groups

[last stone]

They exist more as separate units than a combined group. And fall under the auxiliary umbrella

[raven stone]

On the one hand needed, on the other hand feels like witnessing murder lol

[midnight dragon]

So like, they exist in the "oh these are the other species that decided to join us" areas of the tau military?

[celest dome]

The thing with Guevesa, is that they're not really that interesting to explore miniature wise, hell iirc they were meant to be kitbash before (Taking Firewarrior/Pathfinder and putting human heads and legs

[last stone]

Yeah, not enough flavor for a guavsa only run

[heady rivet]

Plus the Fire Caste is sort of the military class and non-Tau arent allowed to just retroactively join a caste. Its sort of like a colonial military. They arent gonna be trusted to have any real influence or power

[midnight dragon]

Yeah that's fair, but i still wanna play those forces because I like the Gue'vesa, so what exactly should I be looking for?

[arctic talon]

ngl I'd just proxy guard or tau armies

[midnight dragon]

Tau auxiliary boxes?

[arctic talon]

and kitbash your gue'vesa

[midnight dragon]

Thanks

[heady rivet]

There is no official mini for Gue'vesa

[midnight dragon]

Oh ok

[heady rivet]

Only Kroot and Vespids are represented on tabletop

[celest dome]

Think someone said before that the Krieg legs worked quite well for Guevesa kitbash, but it's a bit of an expensive plan

[midnight dragon]

Whats kitbash

[arctic talon]

Chop up exissting plastic minis and put together stuff

Its a time honored tradition

[raven stone]

Lots of online guides on how to convert human Tau, but (rules wise) you need to run them as Tau Fire Warriors.
…

Unless you pull an Uno Reverse Card, go full Guard list, but say they serve the Greater Good

Kitbash = conversions using existing bits from different kits.

[heady rivet]

IE heads from one mini on another or something