40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

Strives balancing rn is suboptimal lol

I know Strive will never be Rev 3 but I can pray that Strive 2 is like

more interesting

[dapper gyro]

With one sentence, I swayed chat from Lol to fighting game. Goal accomplished.

[urban spire]

im a potemkin main im fine

[arctic talon]

LOL

I like introducing people to Xrd Rev 2

I'm like a drug dealer

but for older guilty gear games

[urban spire]

is that the one where ram has tekken strings

[arctic talon]

yeah its the one where Ram has tekken strings and is a psudo puppet character

Im really sad Ram got reworked into a new character in Strive

[urban spire]

sick

[arctic talon]

same with like Sin and Venom

[urban spire]

shes got chompers too

[arctic talon]

Xrd Ephelt can stay in hell where she belongs

I do not miss pineberry

[urban spire]

peak character design

[arctic talon]

Elphelts design in strive is great but I wish there were more roses aside from inside the dress lol

for the guns and roses shtick

Bridget and Tesatment having their old kits thrown out was good

Faust basicially plays the same

despite being very different

[spring cairn]

elphelts got the best song so at least there's that

[arctic talon]

Jack-O needed a rework anyways

[spring cairn]

objectively

[arctic talon]

and Dizzy is

idk, they dumbed down dizzy

her new design is great though

[urban spire]

strive bridget was a personal gift to me on so many levels

[arctic talon]

Strive Bridget plays in a much less obnoxious way

which is good

[urban spire]

i mean trans girl in strive obviously, and thank you to daisuke for just saying it unlike so many other japanese devs

but also there were

[arctic talon]

because accent core bridget makes me want to strangle the other person

[urban spire]

SO many salty chuds on the steam forums

[arctic talon]

Daisuke is dark woke

[urban spire]

i fucking FEASTED

[civic gale]

So

[urban spire]

my personal curse upon harada for never having the balls to just say leo is nonbinary

[civic gale]

Krieg never used ogryns right?

[arctic talon]

they have

just rarely

[urban spire]

what the fuck is krieg

[arctic talon]

the DKOK

lol

[urban spire]

who is ogryn

[arctic talon]

40k

💀

[civic gale]

What weapons did they use?

[urban spire]

is that a new street fighter character?

[arctic talon]

unclear, we just knew they had Ogryn auxilleries present at Vraks

[civic gale]

No that's alex

The incest guy

[urban spire]

he's not new and also lmao

[arctic talon]

Alex who fucked his cousin 💀

yeah he's from third strike

[civic gale]

He's new tho

To sf6

[arctic talon]

yeah

[civic gale]

(I know he's from third strike why'd they make him powerbomb his cousin bro

[urban spire]

the parenthetical ogryns lol

[arctic talon]

ngl how the fuck does I-no tearing her top off work in Strive logistically

She still has the win animation

[urban spire]

need one facing the other direction

[arctic talon]

but she has a bra + jacket now

not just the jacket

[arctic talon]

[urban spire]

the ogryns, not i-no

i never liked i-no, which i think makes me a shit lesbian

[urban spire]

she's just too strong in the story and her character isn't written well enough to carry it!

[arctic talon]

I-No is the type of woman daisuke is afraid of

according to himself in Xrd

LOL

[urban spire]

what the fuck kinda loser doesn't play fighting games for that reason

[civic gale]

Lmao

[civic gale]

Me?

[arctic talon]

me

[urban spire]

WEAK

[arctic talon]

[civic gale]

Why'd you think I wanted to play alex

[urban spire]

NONE OF YOU ARE FREE OF SIN

[arctic talon]

characters being hot is a nice bonus

[civic gale]

I still will but like

[urban spire]

or cin, i guess

[civic gale]

Why capcom

[solid horizon]

street fighter fans when they have to justify why the woman characters in their game look like inflatable sex dolls

[urban spire]

i am inflicted on you

hey sf is actually the progressive one of the fighting games in that regard, women are allowed to be older than 20

[arctic talon]

^

lol

they're also allowed to have interesting designs

[urban spire]

chunners is in her 50s

[arctic talon]

Tekken's design for women is

boring

Like its almost always so safe lol

[urban spire]

only in that regard though, sf still has dhalsim

[arctic talon]

and not super cool

Dhalsim is fine

eh

[urban spire]

he's named after a bean place the devs went to

[arctic talon]

SF has a bunch of stereotypes for every character and every nation

[urban spire]

tekkens women are not great though no

idk, kuni and reina i like

[arctic talon]

do we count Justice

She's as Old as Sol

[solid horizon]

🫵🏻 gooner

[arctic talon]

technically

[urban spire]

and she's dead, and then she got reincarnated as a 20 year old woman

[arctic talon]

I want justice in Strive

smh

[urban spire]

and her mechanical successor is the prettiest dragon princess

[arctic talon]

no one in guilty gear is old actually

now that I think about it

like literally no one is older then like their 30's

aside from the immortal characters

but they don't count

[urban spire]

i can't pretend to be mad about dizzy's design though

[arctic talon]

Nago/Slayer/Sol/I-no all look pretty young

[arctic talon]

Dizzy's design is great

I wish there was a reason for Undine and Necro to be weird shadow creatures

lol

[urban spire]

it's like her subconscious mind protecting her through her powers or some shit idk, gear biology/psychology

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

but why are they weird and shadowy now

they were green and blue and had more features before

eh maybe she's more in control of them now

[urban spire]

we can do some literary analysis here

[arctic talon]

and thats why

[urban spire]

they're weird and shadowy because she's more secure and in control of her powers

yeah exactly

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[urban spire]

she's an adult 9 year old woman

[arctic talon]

Gear moment

[urban spire]

lmao

[arctic talon]

Sin is a dumbass adult but that’s because he’s actually also stupid

[urban spire]

between her, sin, and the valentines there's a shocking number of characters in gg who are less than ten years old

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Also ABA and the Key

Since she’s a homunculus

And he’s also a homunculus

[urban spire]

potentially, but strictly speaking not known

they've been around for an unknown amount of time even though they came into being fully grown

[arctic talon]

Also it’s funny how one of the strive maps is a gentrified xrd map

I want Japan back though, funniest stage name + stage combo and it was cool

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/guilty-gear/images/f/fc/Japan.png/revision/latest?cb=20210329010843

[civic gale]

Isn't the xrd2?

[arctic talon]

I want Japan in strive

It’s a funny map

Also it’s cool looking and visually clear

[civic gale]

Japanese in strive 💀

Actually

Lore in strive:

[arctic talon]

Too short

1984

[civic gale]

It's a meme I stole from a video

[arctic talon]

Should have started with Raven getting crucified

[civic gale]

You mean the Roman empire?

[arctic talon]

I thought he got crucified during the actual crusades not the future ones

lol

[civic gale]

Idk

[arctic talon]

Tbh he was a crusader so he prolly deserved it

[rose thorn]

I cant take dizzy seriously after seeing some insane post on reddit let me see if i can find it

[civic gale]

Oh lord

[civic gale]

Oh right

Gears age rapidly af

[arctic talon]

Sol and Ky has an age gap of a few thousand years so yes

lol

[urban spire]

the age gap involved in solky is problematic

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN THOUSAND

it's 200 years

[arctic talon]

I forgor

[urban spire]

come on get it together

[arctic talon]

Yeah you’re right

I just finished thinking about Raven

Hush

[urban spire]

SHEESH

[arctic talon]

Ravens like

[urban spire]

lmao i was about to mention raven

[arctic talon]

Thousand

Something

Wires crossed

[rose thorn]

HE WAS A KID 4000 YEARS AGO YOU SICK FUCK

[arctic talon]

Anyways Ky is gona be immortal now lol

[rose thorn]

lmao

[urban spire]

good for him

[arctic talon]

Bro got gear cells in him by accident

Well

On purpose but that wasn’t the intended result

But still

Turns out grafting gear parts into your body does have issues

[urban spire]

the traumatized child soldier gets to be king of finland and marry the dragon girl i'm happy for him

[arctic talon]

It’s what he deserves

He has a happy family

[rose thorn]

i nede to play more guilty gear, i jsut physically couldnt because of forest

[urban spire]

i think gg is definitely the prettiest fighting game out rn

[arctic talon]

Tbh that’s because of the stylization

Arcsys never misses

[urban spire]

not with the art anyway

[rose thorn]

THE BANE OF MY EXISTANCE

[arctic talon]

lol

[urban spire]

love that stage

[rocky gale]

Trees

[urban spire]

i fucking hate how many people play sol because i have to look at sol's dogshit stage

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/overheat-computer-explosion-boom-spark-gif-17323916

[urban spire]

because they don't bother switching off

[civic gale]

At least it's not

[arctic talon]

Sol’s stage is so mid

lol

[civic gale]

Prowler mememsound here

[arctic talon]

God why did they do that to you Alex

You didn’t deserve it

💀

[rose thorn]

yet its the most unoptimzied ass stage and they refuse to fix it

[rocky gale]

I don't know what that means

[rose thorn]

i tried to fix it but the potato mod wont fucking work

[dapper gyro]

Im going to Japan to visit my sister... Then I'm reminded that Japan is into these kind of stuff...

[rose thorn]

it runs at liek 5 fps for poor poeple

[arctic talon]

All the gear characters are adults in strive

[arctic talon]

Sin’s just fucking stupid

Like

Really stupid

[rocky gale]

I see

[arctic talon]

Man with a PHD as his personal tutor and is still an idiot

Actually maybe that’s why Sol is a shit teacher

[rose thorn]

you can ether have a bed frame or bea ble to run forest

[civic gale]

This is cute...if you don't know the lore

[arctic talon]

💀

Capcom please

[dapper gyro]

Get out

[civic gale]

Why alex

[rose thorn]

i dont know it lol

[civic gale]

Why capcom

[civic gale]

Stay like that

[rocky gale]

Can I guess what's wrong?

[civic gale]

Ignorance isnbliss

[rocky gale]

Are they siblings?

[rose thorn]

im a black butler fan dog

[dapper gyro]

Was 2nd or 3rd cousin, but now 1st cousin according to new info...

[civic gale]

2nd cousin

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[civic gale]

No no, always 2nd

[rocky gale]

Oh that's not that bad

[civic gale]

Never 1st

[arctic talon]

He held her as a baby 💀

[rose thorn]

yeah

[dapper gyro]

Oh, 2nd cousin is not bad.

[civic gale]

Yeah....

[arctic talon]

It’s pretty bad

LOL

[rocky gale]

That's maybe worse

How old was he then?

[civic gale]

The age gap is fucking wild

[arctic talon]

He was like 10 at the time

But still

[dapper gyro]

Age gap is the only issue left.

[arctic talon]

💀

[rocky gale]

Okay like that's not

I dunno

[arctic talon]

It’s not good bruh

[dapper gyro]

Well, my mother and father have 13 years age gap.

[arctic talon]

Anyone else Capcom

[arctic talon]

Did your dad or mom hold each other as a baby

[rose thorn]

my aunt and uncle had like a 25 year age gap

[dapper gyro]

Which is kind of the norm for the society back then.

[arctic talon]

The age gap is fine but the whole holding someone as a baby and then marrying them

Is

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-hell-is-going-on-here-hank-hill-king-of-the-hill-revival-what's-happening-here-king-of-the-hill-gif-12314192181925700459

[arctic talon]

New street fighter lore

[dapper gyro]

Don't know, but they were literally next house neighbour...

[rocky gale]

The usual, defending incest

[urban spire]

the hours long fighting game discussion will NOT be derailed

[civic gale]

Unfortunately lore

[arctic talon]

Do you think Sin will ever not be stupid

[rose thorn]

sin gets a lobotamy and becomes a super genius

[arctic talon]

He’s less of an idiot strive then xrd

But he’s still an idiot

[arctic talon]

Gear genetics kick in

💀

[dapper gyro]

To be honest, from 2nd cousin on, I don't even who those people are...

[near wasp]

Eh, I play ck3 I'm kinda desensitized

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

Sin is so stupid

https://youtu.be/IFPstde6RHY?si=JPg6688FwaEGZjfx

[near wasp]

The other shit though

[arctic talon]

I love him

[urban spire]

i'm a ck2 modder i'm very desensitized, but clowning on sf is always fun

[arctic talon]

Do you think Dizzy or Ky has the belt install

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/asuka-r-kreutz-asuka-r-guilty-gear-guilty-gear-strive-that-man-gif-10295553851185396976

I LVOE HIMMMMM

[urban spire]

i don't think you can discipline sin like that

[rose thorn]

hes hte only reaosn i plaeyd hte game

[dapper gyro]

CK2 and CK3... crazy games.

[urban spire]

he'd get excited about the fight

[urban spire]

he's so fun, but they removed his fucking catboy drip

i won't forgive daisuke so easily

[rose thorn]

lmao

[arctic talon]

“I use this one to hit sin”

Would have been the funniest dizzy move name ever

Ngl it’s so funny how Asuka’s cat ears just fucking vanished

Like where the fuck did they go

[rose thorn]

do cat ears do somethign in lore?

[arctic talon]

No

He just had them

For some reason in xrd

They’re the only game he had them as well presumably

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/sirodeathyo-cute-korean-girl-cat-headphones-gif-25816729

azuka after doing evil shit idk

asuka secrelty beign a vtuber

[civic gale]

Who TF is that

[arctic talon]

https://guiltygear.wiki.gg/wiki/File:AsukaXrdRev.png

Ffs

Whatever

[civic gale]

The catboy?

[rose thorn]

lmao he just wanted htem

[arctic talon]

Yeah he just had them in xrd for some reason

[rose thorn]

ooo ooo oo is it my turn to post fandom PTSD?

[civic gale]

Modders gave it to em

[arctic talon]

My favorite game Arcsys is currently developing is like Granblue fantasy versus rising tho

[civic gale]

Wdym developing

It's already out

[arctic talon]

You know what I mean

Actively working on?

Idfk

Game they made that is getting updates still

[urban spire]

asuka was just That Man for over a decade and the main villain of the series

[rose thorn]

oh?

[urban spire]

then he just shows up and it's chill, he's fine

That Man was someone else actually

[arctic talon]

Ngl it’s funny

Look asuka only did some of the stuff

Like fucking with Sol

And making justice

[urban spire]

That Man was this freak instead, who just showed up outta nowhere

[arctic talon]

And actually he did a lot of it

[arctic talon]

Not out of nowhere

[urban spire]

well he was foreshadowed

[arctic talon]

He’s in xrd

Yeah

[urban spire]

but not that look

[arctic talon]

Also we always knew Asuka’s teacher was fucking sus

[spring cairn]

is happy chaos ixian

[arctic talon]

Worse

Irish

[sacred ginkgo]

Why are evil Irish twinks a plague

[spring cairn]

*blessing

[civic gale]

Happy chaos

The man

[arctic talon]

He’s not evil, he’s bored which is worse

[civic gale]

Well not the man

The first wizard

Or something

[arctic talon]

He’s half of what that man is

lol

Anyways Scotland has a giant pumpkin now

Edinburgh’s giant pumpkin

[urban spire]

gg uk is full of shit like that

although it's also not the uk anymore

[arctic talon]

Yeah and it’s great

[urban spire]

are they in illyria? i forget

[arctic talon]

Yeah

All of Europe is

• some parts of Asia

[sacred ginkgo]

What even is going on back there

[urban spire]

that's a city

you've seen those before

[arctic talon]

It’s the magic capitol of the world

[rocky gale]

Is that the Eiffel tower on top of that giant pumpkin?

[arctic talon]

It’s a replica of it yes

[rocky gale]

Hmm, it might be a replica of the Blackpool tower actually

[arctic talon]

Still hilarious how the Korea exclusive map is literally just a rural part of Korea in guilty gear

[rocky gale]

Oh wait no it's Eiffel

[sacred ginkgo]

Why do they have an eifel tower pumpkin

[urban spire]

what did they mean by this

[arctic talon]

Idk ask the people who made it

lol

[rocky gale]

Good old Blackpool tower

[dapper gyro]

At some point, stop asking question being an option in these games.

[urban spire]

i don't trust a japanese company depicting korea

[arctic talon]

The Korea port of accent core wasn’t done by Arcsys

Just an fyi lol

It was done by a Korean company

[urban spire]

ah yeah ok makes sense

wait what lmao

[arctic talon]

Yeah

I’m deadass

It has its own music and everything

It’s super cool LOL

[urban spire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/133689682360795136/1044603907252441139/image0.gif

[rose thorn]

do.... pumpkins grow in scotland>?

[arctic talon]

It’s also fully dubbed in Korean

But yeah some of the stuff on the Korea stage is questionable 💀

Like extremely so

[arctic talon]

Wha about Kum

[rocky gale]

They can, but they need like sheltered areas

[urban spire]

i was about to say

[arctic talon]

lol

[rose thorn]

lol

[urban spire]

i'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt

[rose thorn]

honstly this is really sick design lol

[mossy peak]

what am i looking at

[urban spire]

i'm gonna be real with you i don't think they grew that one naturally

[mossy peak]

is she piloting the old man like a mech

[arctic talon]

The Japan map for accent core mostly had a bunch of mostly naked Japanese people

I’m not joking

[daring creek]

Empryean just means the warp right

[urban spire]

correct

[arctic talon]

The old man is a mecha version of someone from her families history

[near wasp]

Ye

[urban spire]

korea is too sexist so she pilots an old man so she doesn't have to deal with it

[arctic talon]

She’s the current head of the family

And she doesn’t like dealing with sexist idiots

Solution mecha great great great great grandpa

Probably

[mossy peak]

reverse isshin and genichiro

[sacred ginkgo]

Love it when the second half of a comment gets cut by like a minute

[urban spire]

might be trans, hard to say

[arctic talon]

Yes

[urban spire]

if kum shows up again we'll probably know for sure since daisuke apparently grew a pair

[arctic talon]

She refers to herself as a woman out of the mecha

So who knows

[urban spire]

yeah and bridget used to call herself a man

[arctic talon]

Her pronouns change depending on if she’s in it or out of it

Yeah

[urban spire]

hell i used to call myself a man

it's sorta a defining trait of transness

[arctic talon]

Bridget did some self discovery

And by self discovery I mean killing people for money

Gets the blood pumping and mind turning I guess

[urban spire]

shes a pretty bad bounty hunter

to be fair

[arctic talon]

She’s really good at it when she sets her mind to it

But yeah on average not great

[urban spire]

which is good, because bounty hunters are scum, and don't typically help people on their journeys of self discovery

[arctic talon]

LOL

Look all I’m saying in accent core she managed to mug Sol and shove him into a net

[urban spire]

the world would be worse if bridget was a good bounty hunter

[raven stone]

…what am I looking at lol (genuinely curious tone)

[urban spire]

that's justified

[arctic talon]

Woman pilots mech designed after an ancestor

[raven stone]

AH

[arctic talon]

Because she doesn’t like dealing with sexist idiots

Universally

And she found out that people took her father and grandfather more seriously

And she’s now the head of the family so mecha great great great great great Ect. grandpa solves the problem

[nocturne crest]

So is she puppeting his corpse or is just a robot copy?

[scenic trout]

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[arctic talon]

Robot copy based on some unspecified ancestor

[nocturne crest]

Oh god, he made a pearl harbour comment

[scenic trout]

Her reaction bro lmao

How is US even real, are we sure is not a dream?

[daring creek]

Note

Our president is """formerly""" a comedian

[daring creek]

on the go

improv is what he's doing.

[arctic talon]

She’s also the best “tuner” alive which is the ability to fucking alter reality and enhance the human body

[mossy peak]

trump is the best thing that’s ever happened to the us (i’m an accelerationist)

[arctic talon]

Also it’s how Koreans use Ki magic in guilty gear primarily

[spring cairn]

i love guilty gear lore

[daring creek]

Thats where you want things to crash and burn faster to end capitalism right

[arctic talon]

Koreans can alter reality because they just can

[urban spire]

yes

[arctic talon]

Ty daisuke

[spring cairn]

they just be adding whatver they thought was cool atm

[arctic talon]

Japanese and Chinese ki magic is boring

It just makes them stronger physically

[urban spire]

some folks are better at some kinds of magic than others

[arctic talon]

lol

[urban spire]

none of the strongest ki magic users were japanese which i deeply appreciate

daisuke elegantly dodging the japanese people are special trope

[arctic talon]

The one unique thing we’ve seen Japanese Ki users do is have hammer space but only for Baiken

Because she can just generate tatami mats out of nowhere

[urban spire]

by making japanese people special but also not that special and only in a way everyone else is also special

[arctic talon]

Except she needs to buy them still

[urban spire]

and then he simply wiped out japan

[arctic talon]

Where the hell does Baiken keep her tatami mats

[urban spire]

no more nationalism, nation erased

[urban spire]

she's literally casting tatami spells

also fuckkkk baikens va is so good in this game

[arctic talon]

Kliff, Kum and Chipp moment

Having the letter C or K part of your name must be an important part of being good at chi

Considering they’re the 3 strongest users of it

[heady rivet]

Is this lore of something or did I miss huge news coming out of Asia

[arctic talon]

This is clearly not confirmation bias

[arctic talon]

This is guilty gear lore

Where Japan got fucking obliterated

[urban spire]

beware of cuck, the strongest ki user who has ever lived

[arctic talon]

Along with 90% of the population

[mossy peak]

yea pretty much

[arctic talon]

Truth nuke

[heady rivet]

I am collecting screenshots of the new item descriptions because I am looking for lore

[arctic talon]

Ngl the deadsiders are interesting but I wish they did literally anything but be set dressing

Would be cool if they were actually running the shops

[mossy peak]

who writes these descriptions

is it hestia

[heady rivet]

The Writing team

They arent like, in-universe

[rose thorn]

Boy I bet the comments here are sane and totally not transphobic

[heady rivet]

As expected, nothing from Ogryn

The Vets Knight House mention is the biggest I think

And who the hell is Lector Cathoris

[storm jungle]

the cultist on the comms

[mossy peak]

oh word

[fervent geode]

Interesting...

[dapper gyro]

Weapon skin description also has lore btw.

[mossy peak]

are there those big knight mech things on tertium

[dapper gyro]

So far, nope.

[mossy peak]

damn all the tertium noble houses broke

[dapper gyro]

Even if they have money, they can't just make mech.

[rocky gale]

Yea being a Knight house isn't about having money

[full obsidian]

when i heard of "knight" commander dragor i got excited thinking they were the imperial knights

[rocky gale]

Unfortunately it's just a Cadian term

[dapper gyro]

Knights need to be sanctioned by other parties. Otherwise, they are great liability if captured.

[arctic talon]

Doesn’t mean there’s a knight house based on Tertium with this lore

[storm jungle]

I mean no

because they are wiped out apparently

[spring cairn]

no

next class will a knight

[mossy peak]

why not

[arctic talon]

Mechanicus says no

[dapper gyro]

They need ad mech sanction to get crew to manufacture and maintain parts.

[arctic talon]

Also knight houses are pre established

Since the age of strife

Every known knight house aside from a few House Mechanicum’s are from the Age of strife

And the Mechanicus rarely okay’s a new knight house to be created

[dapper gyro]

You need the Ecclesiarchy and Inquisition making sure that you are not heretic nor traitor.

[arctic talon]

They resupply and rearm every knight house

[urban spire]

i imagine the knowledge of how to make more guys (knights) is pretty rare

[arctic talon]

But making a new one is near impossible

[arctic talon]

Yeah only major forgeworlds can and even then not all of them can make every patten

[dapper gyro]

You need people in power to have a fleet to transport them, because having on the planet alone is worthless.

[arctic talon]

There’s also the fact that an upstart knight house is unlikely

Freeblade houses and courts exist

[urban spire]

also transporting them seems like a huge pain in the ass yeah

[arctic talon]

But those are existing knights forming a house

[urban spire]

and knights aren't even proper titans

[dapper gyro]

The other knight houses don't want more competition.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[dapper gyro]

And again, if you create a knight house just for them to go traitor, it is a huge pain in the ass.

[urban spire]

you wanna talk about rare forces, forget space marines, knights are practically a myth

[storm jungle]

Because they arent titans

[arctic talon]

Unless you’re on a major forgeworld

[storm jungle]

this is like saying "planes arent tanks"

💀

[arctic talon]

Then they’re pretty fucking common

[dapper gyro]

Like, a single Knight house can push back a few company of old SM legions during 30K (so like multiple chapters by 40K standard.

[arctic talon]

Ryza has 4 knight houses present on it lol

[urban spire]

yeah if planes and tanks both walked around on two legs and had a shared body plan and were called mechs

[dapper gyro]

Making them is way harder than making a new SM chapter even before primaris.

[arctic talon]

Which is fucking hilarious tbh

[storm jungle]

Yeah and knights still arent titans

GETOU-

[urban spire]

THATS WHAT I SAID

[arctic talon]

I think that’s the most knight houses on one planet

[urban spire]

don't you point the james gunn at me i already took the dive

[storm jungle]

Damn

[full obsidian]

would knights/titans even be effective if deployed to a planet like atoma,
like wouldnt they be quite useless on a planet thats mostly city as they either wouldnt get to anywhere actually useful (not without doing huge amounts of collateral damage to cities)
and if the cities are already destroyed then there wouldnt really be any value left in deploying them there since theres nothing of value left to defend

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[heady rivet]

I mean, Forge world so

[urban spire]

i shit on knights for being too small to be real titans, i shit on titans for being too large to be practical, it's the perfect scam

[storm jungle]

Theres fighting going on outside the Hive

Knights can basically dpeloy anywhere with enough space

they arent that big

[arctic talon]

Most major forge worlds only have one

If they even have one

[arctic talon]

Tbh an armiger would be nice in a hive lol

[urban spire]

seriously though the bigger titans are kinda questionable, seems like their main role would be to fight other titans

[dapper gyro]

They are showcase of power, that's it.

[urban spire]

the only other things that big that move around are titans, and if you just need a gigantic gun for a static target you can shoot it from space, or just from really far away

[dapper gyro]

Like how battleship are rarely made nowadays except for those who want to show the power.

[storm jungle]

...thats literally their role

[urban spire]

yeah thats what i said

[full obsidian]

pretty much how huge mechs in every sci fi universe are

[urban spire]

nah in battletech they make more sense

although the details of that are lost in the videogames

[arctic talon]

Mecha is cool

[dapper gyro]

Just that 40K fans love to imagine those church with legs to be unstoppable...

[arctic talon]

Not everything needs to be logical

lol

[urban spire]

in the actual tabletop, battletech mechs are fully articulate with ball joints and artificial muscle, they move like people

[wary fulcrum]

Depends on where the other guys are

[dapper gyro]

Despite literally having those titans getting 1 hit by stationed fortress guns.

[arctic talon]

Also fighting in the ash wastes of atoma would be useful for knights lol

Atoma isn’t just hive

[urban spire]

the videogames always depict them as extremely rigid, which is probably because the first battletech games are very old

[wary fulcrum]

If the other guys are between the hives, Titans would be great

If they’re inside the hives

And you want to keep the hive

Not so great

[storm jungle]

I mean

[arctic talon]

Well these are knights on atoma not titans

lol

[storm jungle]

they want to keep the industrial output

i dont think most random habs/buildings matter

lmao

[urban spire]

there's lots of spaces where knights could stomp around in tertium

[dapper gyro]

If it is pure destruction, then the inquisition would just exterminatus the planet.

[urban spire]

have you seen some of the fuckass cathedrals we have to scurry around in?

[wary fulcrum]

There’s a weight issue like

How much can those floors hold before they buckle?

[urban spire]

there's a map where we literally run past a leman russ demolisher blockade

[dapper gyro]

If they fight, it is because they want to keep the planet relatively intact for use afterward.

[storm jungle]

Dont matter

this is 40k

"the floor might crumble" is lik an non-issue in most titanicus and knight stuff ive read

[wary fulcrum]

Sometimes does, see the EC running through a set of wooden stairs as someone escapes them

[urban spire]

that's not an issue, it's a HIVE CITY, it's already built to hold the weight of hundreds of kilometers of hive

you can't crush a hive city

[storm jungle]

thats space marines

[wary fulcrum]

Yeah but they’re not often a thousand stories up

[storm jungle]

most mech combat in 40k doesnt acknowledge this stuff because no one cares and its boring

they wanna see big robots explode

[wary fulcrum]

Which collapse all the time when a weight gets concentrated onto a certain point

Dome collapses are really common

[urban spire]

sure but that weight isn't the weight of a knight

40k megastructures are real-ass megastructures, weight isn't a big issue

[storm jungle]

Titans would literally get sucked into the ground in the terrain they walk on if this was a factor in any 40k mech media.

It doesnt matter.

[dapper gyro]

Hive cities are so big that 1 nuke like the one on Nagasaki wouldn't make much of a difference to people half length away in the hive.

[mossy peak]

hype moments and aura, unironically

[urban spire]

yeah that's something mech media just has to gloss over

[sacred ginkgo]

It would so so boring if mechs couldn't ever set foot in a desert

[mossy peak]

personally i want toxic yuri in my mech combat

[wary fulcrum]

They did in one story

They didn’t do the scans properly, sank in and got wrecked by mega dinosaurs

[urban spire]

yeah obviously

[hollow lantern]

All mech combat should be armored core

[proper aspen]

Do the mechs kiss?

[urban spire]

armored core is lesbian, it's true

[proper aspen]

I saw it

It's true

[urban spire]

no obviously, they kill each other

[dapper gyro]

Armoured core would absolutely destroy 40K titan.

[urban spire]

aw it's the sanitized version of that meme

[rose thorn]

This reminds me of those black domination fetish images where it’s a diagram of white men becoming more feminine

[urban spire]

i mean, understandable

[dapper gyro]

Kiss with blades and bullets.

[proper aspen]

🐟

Whuh

[rose thorn]

I said my truth

[proper aspen]

Thank you

[wary fulcrum]

You uhhh

You okay there?

[mossy peak]

no they kill each other and its homoerotic

[rose thorn]

I’d send it but it’s nsfw, I only know about it them because a casino used it to promote gambling over gaming

[wary fulcrum]

Is that armoured core and gundam now?

[dapper gyro]

They penetrate each other...

With big rods of metal.

[rose thorn]

Peak….

[urban spire]

desperately want to be pile bunkered by a girl

[full obsidian]

is that what slaneesh corrupted titans would be like

[storm jungle]

Yeah and in other titan stories it doesnt happen. Classic 40k moment

[storm jungle]

what the FUCK

[wary fulcrum]

Fortunately I’m not in work

[daring creek]

why are any of you shocked

[wary fulcrum]

Fair point well made

[hollow lantern]

Why are you talking about it and why are you so interested in seeing it

[urban spire]

my main objection to this is that it's black trans erasure, otherwise yeah men should become women

(that's a joke)

[storm jungle]

My point is realism only happens in 40k when a book author wants to show off

like

we got a Siege novel that has a 2 page spread explaining why the leman russ is a dogshit deathtrap tank

but it performs fine in every other novel

its just whatever

[urban spire]

love the leman russ

[full obsidian]

realism in 40k would be the protagonist dying in 10 minutes and the novel being 10 pages long

[urban spire]

it looks so awful

[wary fulcrum]

Like an EC running through wooden stairs and losing someone despite this having never been an issue for Astartes ever before

[sacred ginkgo]

You can get way more than 10 pages out of 10 minutes

[hollow lantern]

If 40k was realistic it'd suck who cares

The entire point of the setting is that it's dumb and rule of cool

[rose thorn]

I can’t even find it on Google, the shit I’m referencing is like 8 years old now

[urban spire]

i said earlier today and stand by it: 40k apes realism without understanding it at all, and that's part of the appeal

[raven stone]

2026 Div 2 posting.
I look like a 3rd Edition Guard Stormtrooper.

[rose thorn]

I can be killed for that one team my bad

[hollow lantern]

It's pulp

[young pecan]

Psy-laced pheromone air ❤️‍🩹

[sacred ginkgo]

All good sci fi chooses to be just realistic enough to be semi believable and then ignores everything else

Its how it works

[wary fulcrum]

In my headcanon, the realistic stuff is for normal people, whereas the ridiculousness that ignores physics is for the military

This is purely so my necromundan adjacent space pirate project can stop at 30 conversions rather than the 30,000 they’d need just to use a ship

[mossy peak]

not true, statistically there are enough would-be protagonists dying every second that eventually some will succeed and get black library books

[dapper gyro]

If it is completely unrealistic, then there is no reference point for anything to be cooler than life.

[urban spire]

"hard" science fiction isn't, it's all fiction, science fiction isn't even real it's just fantasy taking itself slightly more seriously

[young pecan]

It astounds me that Abnett's inquisitors don't get void shields for their retinue more often

Before they ||went rogue, at least||

[urban spire]

abnetts inquisitors are completely vibes based

[young pecan]

Just rawdogging every gun fight they're in

[wary fulcrum]

They’ve been Sus since book 1 like

Remember, Malleus opens with him being arrested by another inquisitor

[sacred ginkgo]

Fantasy but you discuss how a railgun works for 2 pages

[urban spire]

abnett just invented most of the shit he wrote about

[storm jungle]

^

[urban spire]

i can do that with brandon sanderson novels too

[storm jungle]

Abnett makes shit up on the spot and gets away with it due to starpower

we CANNOT let him cook

or we are all doomed

[urban spire]

we should let him cook more

[young pecan]

As if in 150 years of shooting at people, you being outgunned several times has never incidentally ended with you taking a headie?

[dapper gyro]

Why Necron uses "guass gun" but doesn't actually use anything to do with "guass gun"... fk that anyone know.

[storm jungle]

I need you to read End and the Death and all its 3 volumes

[young pecan]

I think it could be more fun and let them be even more outgunned if they took void shields

[wary fulcrum]

What’s more outgunned than high nooning an actual titan?

[young pecan]

True but still, both him and Ravenor had funds very frequently

Rip my homie ||Bequin||

[storm jungle]

Spoilers, people in a 40k novel die

[young pecan]

And that stupid interrogator that ||Cherubael possessed||

Fuck that guy

[wary fulcrum]

I wonder if it’s a condom on a night out situation?

Like, him duking it out is actually an example of the situation going wrong, and most are sorted before that point

[wary fulcrum]

Little shit deserved everything he got

[young pecan]

I mean they were an important character for the first like 300+ pages before that LMAO

[wary fulcrum]

The ||Gun-Cutter was a beautiful ship and he fucked it up!||

[sacred ginkgo]

I fucking love Brandon sanderson

Isles of Emberdark is the prettiest book I own

[storm jungle]

👎

[rancid cove]

I wish all AI datacenters in the world explode

[wary fulcrum]

People have conversation on email?

[full obsidian]

was that video written by ai?

[storm jungle]

Flash news, companies stela your info

[rancid cove]

No

[hollow lantern]

Google is reading your emails anyway

[storm jungle]

what else is new

[hollow lantern]

They're big brother

Get an encrypted email if you care

[rancid cove]

Using it on their ai data is what is pissing me off

[storm jungle]

Same shit

[hollow lantern]

Weird line to draw

Only a living person can read my data

[rose thorn]

I PREFER THE CHINESE GOVERMENT GANG STALKING ME THE OLD FASHIONED WAY

[wary fulcrum]

Newspapers with cut outs and trilbys?

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[urban spire]

it's really nice

the book, i'm not it/its-ing brandon sanderson

[sacred ginkgo]

I was not expecting that thing to come in gold on black

[arctic talon]

They still stalk you with data

You just also get gang stalking sometimes

[rose thorn]

lmao, the shadow goverment must think im doign osething right if they gave me their good boy opints (credit card increase)

[wary fulcrum]

It might have been ‘spending your current good boy points’?

[rose thorn]

well is topped using my credit card for liek 4 months because i was almost max on it

i never had a credit card increase before lmao

[vital ginkgo]

Why do Techmarines keep their faith in the mech cult after so much time in their chapter? Why do the chapters allow this?

[rancid cove]

1. Because they spent so much time alongside the mechanicus to learn their ways they adopt their view on the machine spirit and the Omnissiah
2. Without the techmarines, no one to fix your broken weapons, armor and to do the proper blessings so the machine spirit is pleased

[storm jungle]

^

also it depends from chapter to chapter

even while under mechanicus teachings some techmarines are more loyal to their Chapter still instead of admech

while in some its the total opposite

[rancid cove]

Plus techmarines are (usually) responsible to take care of the chapter's dreadnoughts

[storm jungle]

^

they are literally the IT guys

you usually shouldnt give a shit or judge whatever your main technician does

since hes the guy who fixes all your shit

[arctic talon]

Because they spend a ton of time in the mechanicus training

chapters allow this because who the fuck else will fix your shit

[rancid cove]

There's a Dark Angels book (forgot the name) where it shows a techmarine's pov when asked if he was to choose between his chapter and the Omnissiah and he didn't hesitate to put his brothers over it

[arctic talon]

they still hold some faith

[storm jungle]

Ye

[arctic talon]

even if its not super heavy

[rancid cove]

So they are loyal to the chapter first and to Omnissiah second

[arctic talon]

The tech marines are members of the chapter first ultimately

[vital ginkgo]

Why allow then to keep their faith though? Is faith required in tech maintenance?

[arctic talon]

their status in the priesthood is less important

[arctic talon]

Yes

[rancid cove]

Yes actually

[vital ginkgo]

I see

[storm jungle]

Machine spirits and the entire cult mechanicus is athing

[rancid cove]

Machines have spirits

that if not pleased properly

[arctic talon]

there's some actual spiritual mumbo jumbo

[rancid cove]

will refuse to work

[arctic talon]

for imperial tech often

not always

but sometimes someones fucking soul imprints on something

repeatedly

[daring creek]

machine spirits need validation

[arctic talon]

and now you have a rhino who needs to be sung to

or else it doesn't want to start

[vital ginkgo]

Was this a thing in the past too? Like did machines have spirits in 2026 in the 40k universe?

[storm jungle]

they always did

[arctic talon]

Soul imprints yes

Soul imprints are a thing for every faction with souls

[rancid cove]

Example: There is a new added dialogue of the new Techmarine class in Space Marine 2 where the vanguard goes (something like this)

Brother, my chainsword is making weird noises. What does it say?

It says for you to clean it after your encounters, brother. If not, the chainsword will clog.

[arctic talon]

There’s normal maintenance and also weird esoteric nonsense

[storm jungle]

And again some arent fully brainwashed by the admech and can still be normal people. Those techmarines will still keep more to their Chapter's doctrine instead of preaching admech shit constantly

[arctic talon]

The spiritual part isn’t always needed

[daring creek]

clog because its clogged or clogged because the weapon desire to be clean

[sacred ginkgo]

Insightful dialogue

[arctic talon]

But it’s useful know lol

[storm jungle]

the chainsword has mecha-diabetes

[daring creek]

[rancid cove]

clogged with tyranid bits and pieces

[arctic talon]

The cult mechanicus is the only proper source of the spiritual shit

[outer wave]

Can my chainsword have a mecha-heart attack and mech-stroke?

[arctic talon]

Yes

That’s called the engine burning out

lol

[vital ginkgo]

Is there any actual proof that it's a spiritual thing and not just a lack of upkeep with machinery?

[arctic talon]

It’s both

[rancid cove]

It is pretty cool, he also has a dialogue over Straban/heavy (I think) about his armor trying to talk to him about applying oil on it

kinda funny

[arctic talon]

Soul imprints are real

Machine spirits are real

You also need to physically maintain that shit

[vital ginkgo]

Proof?

[rancid cove]

Some times machines can just have spirits and some times people die and their soul get stuck there

[arctic talon]

lol

The mechanicus don’t just fucking wave incense at something and pray

[arctic talon]

Soul imprints

[sacred ginkgo]

That was sarcasm sm2 dialogue is garbage

[vital ginkgo]

Can you explain?

[arctic talon]

Also ai fragments

[rancid cove]

Titan pilots say of hearing and feeling the spirit of the titan scream in rage when in battle and shit like that

[arctic talon]

If you use something your soul imprints on it slightly, over and over and over and over again and again this causes the object to grow a soul of its own

[rancid cove]

so do ship pilots

who say they can feel the entire ship think

[arctic talon]

Also AI fragments and rudementrt automation are machine spirits as well

[rancid cove]

The AI thing is more of a theory but some random imperial tech has AI fragments still embedded on them

[rancid cove]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-staring-15

[vital ginkgo]

So a weapon will adopt parts of its user's personality traits or something?

[arctic talon]

Slowly over time, and it often is amplified if they die when using it

Then the next person uses it

Ect.

[full obsidian]

is there any proof that machine spirits are actually real and not just bits and pieces of AI that are misunderstood

[vital ginkgo]

Will this overthrow previous imprints or just add onto it?

[arctic talon]

Yes due to soul imprints

[arctic talon]

Adds to it

[wary fulcrum]

I like to think of it more as ‘the printer stopped working again’

[rancid cove]

funnily enough (I think) its stated that the bigger the machine spirit is, the more personality/conscious it has

[arctic talon]

The mechanicus just calls them machine spirits

[rancid cove]

so ship and titans are very complex

[arctic talon]

But they’re a lot of diffrent shit

All under one umbrella

AI fragments, soul imprinting, mental imprinting, rudementry automation

All of it is under that umbrella

[wary fulcrum]

Actually, I can’t remember if the ship’s machine spirit in the night lords book is fighting against Octavia or if that’s something else she’s arguing with

[rancid cove]

Isnt there a mention in a book somewhere where a titan had a nightmare and it activated its weapon systems

[arctic talon]

Yes

[rancid cove]

while nobody was on it

[arctic talon]

It’s in Forge of mars

It starts shooting

[vital ginkgo]

So if all of the liturgical stuff is actually necessary for tech to work why does tech work so well in pre ad mech eras?

[rancid cove]

The ship resisted Octavia at first and she had to convince the spirit she was worthy of leading her in the warp

yeah

[arctic talon]

They just replaced it back then lol

It’s what the tau do

[vital ginkgo]

Hmmm

[arctic talon]

The tau ignore soul imprinting unless shit starts working way better

Just tear out the bits that won’t work for some reason and replace them

The eldar when maintaining their weapons have spiritual shit going on so it’s not an issue

[storm jungle]

To give an actual answer; Machine Spirits are actually a thing but what they are is left up in the air for writers to play around and have fun with in novels and rulebooks. They are either:

• Actual magic machine spirits
• Leftover AI
• Influence of the C'tan of the Void Dragon lumbering under Mars.

[vital ginkgo]

Alright

[vital ginkgo]

Also

Are the tau evil like everyone else or actually not that bad? Everyone says all factions are evil in 40k but I've never heard of tau doing anything that bad

Why are they bad?

[arctic talon]

The tau are an authoritarian surveillance state

Who have a rigid caste system

And are imperialistic

[full obsidian]

the tau are mostly just seen as the "least" evil faction

[arctic talon]

They’re the most realistic evil

[vital ginkgo]

Do they genocide?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[vital ginkgo]

Who

[arctic talon]

Last resort

But they mark some species for genocide

Due to being incompatible with the greater good

[arctic talon]

We don’t know beyond the playable faction examples of the drukhari, Tyranid, orks and space marines and some one off mentions in the codex

They also commit cultural genocide

If you care about that

[vital ginkgo]

That's not that bad

[arctic talon]

They’re still authoritarian assholes who will send you to re education or sterilize you

Or test guns on you lol

[vital ginkgo]

Doesn't even sound as bad as Imperial japan

What are living conditions like?

[arctic talon]

I mean they literally do imperial Japan stuff to political dissidents

[vital ginkgo]

For the commoner

[arctic talon]

In the caste system or outside

[vital ginkgo]

Common tau

[full obsidian]

its probably better than the imperium on average at the very least

[paper haven]

It's funny you mention Imperial Japan specifically since the Tau are inspired by them

[arctic talon]

The average tau lives a very good life but are under constant survialance

lol

Fuck. Up and it’s off to get re education

[vital ginkgo]

So just like us

They don't sound as bad as I thought

Lol

[arctic talon]

If you live in a country that kidnaps and tortures people for saying bad stuff yeah

lol

Think North Korea

[vital ginkgo]

Usa

John Kiriakou

[arctic talon]

LOL

[paper haven]

Not even close, no.

[arctic talon]

Nah the tau are way worse then the US

you don’t get tested for ideological purity

(Yet)

[vital ginkgo]

What is their species population?

[full obsidian]

The tau is the actual tau species

like the blue people

[vital ginkgo]

I know

[paper haven]

They're the smallest faction in the game, or close to it

[arctic talon]

Massive list lol

Read the lexicanum

They have a ton of client species

[vital ginkgo]

I mean how many blue people are there

[paper haven]

Drukhari is probably less but they're also a split of the Eldar.

[full obsidian]

probably a ton of species that weve simply never heard of in the lore i'd assume

[arctic talon]

Billions

[vital ginkgo]

Wow they're tiny. Cooked

[arctic talon]

Drukhari are the most populous type of eldar

Explicitly

[vital ginkgo]

No hope for them

Sad

[arctic talon]

It’s in the hundred billions but still

[vital ginkgo]

Like a baby sea turtle

[arctic talon]

Very small

[paper haven]

Billions in 40k doesn't mean much

[full obsidian]

thats kinda the point of the tau, theyre the odd ones out in a grimdark setting

[paper haven]

It's a few star systems I think?

[arctic talon]

They got a good bit of stuff

But it’s not all heavily populated

Only the first 2 spheres of expansion are densely populated

[paper haven]

But yeah, living under the Tau isn't outright better than anywhere else, it's just different

[full obsidian]

dont the tau mainly try to influence imperial worlds by trading/political subversion rather than controlling terrority directly

[paper haven]

They probably won't work you to death in a factory

But you will be expected to sacrifice yourself when the time comes

[full obsidian]

pretty sure the average human in the imperium would jump ship to the tau if they really knew the difference

[paper haven]

Well, probably but that's how the Tau operate.

They present a better life to attract people

But the reality isn't actually much better

[young pecan]

"Billions must die" not even being hyperbole in 40k

[civic gale]

@arctic talon

i spent like

3hours

trying to do this

[celest dome]

Just saw project Hail Mary, was great, will probably read the book sooner than later

[arctic talon]

Goes hard

[civic gale]

alex when someone comments on his cousin

[jade holly]

If anything it’s an understatement

I got me some buttermilk biscuits from my store and I made a chicken biscuit with one

It’s so fucking good

[urban spire]

wow peacemaker's dad is awful

[storm jungle]

"awful"

HES LITERALLY A WHITE SUPREMACIST

[urban spire]

yeah

i wrote that before that

[storm jungle]

too bad i didnt read it

thus it doesnt exist

[near wasp]

Hes a complete shitbag

[urban spire]

"awful" was when i was watching him laugh at the rat phobia

the kkk stuff came like 15 seconds later

[storm jungle]

average MAGA parent

[urban spire]

haha oh man this sucks

[vagrant fox]

peacemakers dad is very funny

huge ass

[urban spire]

at least his bird loves him

[storm jungle]

"bird"

🦅 😭

[urban spire]

what do you mean ""bird""

an eagles a fucking bird

[lament shoal]

Playing kill team again with the bf

[urban spire]

watching everyone do a really stupid dance in the intro is fantastic

[last stone]

I'm lost

[urban spire]

john cena hurling himself around is so much fun to watch

he looks like he should be making the valve collision noise whenever he hits something

[swift adder]

im going through psychosis

[urban spire]

many such cases

[rose thorn]

build wip for terraria with my partner

[spring cairn]

new illuiminate stuff in hd2 is p cool

[storm jungle]

the leaks show great promise

really love the look of the exoplanets, its creepy as shit

[civic gale]

@storm jungle hear me out, krieg right? But more

https://tenor.com/view/torgue-explosions-borderlands-gaming-game-gif-16537893

[urban spire]

oh, different krieg

[storm jungle]

[civic gale]

I take it is unoriginal

just wanted a reason to use ogryns and have millitarum in demolition defuser type armor

like these guys

i even thought of a name man

"11th ruinmakers"

even better, like this

[heady rivet]

Is that like, a specific regiment or the whole planetary regiment name?

[civic gale]

specific

[spring cairn]

pass the leak around

eversince they blew up the discord idk where to look

[civic gale]

from the planet Ferriums

a mining planet (hence ferro = iron) that has high ammounts of materials for explosions

since they are also mostly used for mining

[urban spire]

WHITE DRAGON?

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/HnPh7t-w8dA

[storm jungle]

YEP