40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

Makes bebop more linear

[queen laurel]

Truly the balancing of the funny fellow

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-2077-johnny-silverhand-put-some-iron-in-your-mouth-cyberpunk-johnny-cyberpunk-gif-13508368944030293193

[mossy peak]

thats why i was asking

if they were pulling a lords of the fallen i would have 0 sympathy for their game failing

[young pecan]

Dude last month I went to try a panaderia because it was closer than the one I already went to (after moving), I walked in
look to my left, there's an unlit shelf in the corner of the room with exactly two conchas in it. both look stale.
look straight, there's what looks like an abandoned gas station trying to pass itself off as a legitimate business with ZIP-LOC BAGGED PASTA on the shelves
look to my right, and there's a greasy guy behind a windowed cash register.

I pitifully looked at the shelves and left asap

[rancid cove]

You just casually walked straight into a literal mafia run business doing money laundering

[young pecan]

That tracks

One time I went to a mechanic one of my coworkers recommended me in a bad part of town because he's really good and does his stuff cheap

I was not aware that the front of the building was different from the back which, the front of the building had pitch black out windows with metal bars over them

I went to go in the front door and a dude with a bullet proof vest half-pulling out a piece from inside of it opened the door

That was a "game room"

Oops

[arctic talon]

ngl criminal run businesses are great sometimes lol

good value

or other times they're just a soulless husk

[young pecan]

The guy running a bakery false front realizes he actually really fucks with baking

"Boss can I allocate a lil bit to maintaining the store "

[rancid cove]

LMFAO

[rancid cove]

I was pretty sure there was a money laundering scheme here on my city for a while but they actually some decent desserts for good deals

Went there for a couple of months before it shut down and the owners were actually never found

[arctic talon]

best chinese bakery I know of absolutely is connected to some sort of criminal stuff lol

they have something upstairs I see people going in and out of constantly lol

[rancid cove]

Insane

[arctic talon]

Look

they make really good bread

[winter pine]

think I went into one of these before and the cashier told me they only took cash like a decade ago

[hollow lantern]

Idc if they're attached to a criminal enterprise if the food is good

[arctic talon]

yeah they only take cash

lol

they take credit card randomly sometimes

its super funny

sometimes they got the tap to pay thing

most other days its missing

[arctic talon]

the food is really good LOL

hope it never gets shut down

[winter pine]

I wonder if the nearby grocery store still has the booth that sells pirated bootleg DVDs lmfao

shady parts of Florida are wild sometimes

[hollow lantern]

That's how I feel about a few pizza places I like

[rancid cove]

Are warpsmiths purely a chaosfied version of a techmarine or do they do something unique to their role

[arctic talon]

Daemons

[rancid cove]

Like

[arctic talon]

they can assist in possesions of machinery and such

[rancid cove]

Daemon engines?

[arctic talon]

is the big thing

not just daemon engines

general possession and such

[rancid cove]

I thought that would be more of a sorcerer/dark chaplain thing

Idk y

[arctic talon]

Its both

they can all do it

[near wasp]

You need both I think

[rancid cove]

Ah I see

[arctic talon]

for a proper binding yeah

you need a warpsmith and sorc

one to handle the more material side

and the other for the more aetheric side

you do get the rare sorcerous warpsmith though

which makes it way easier

[rancid cove]

Damn my warband kinda fucked cause the leader hates psykers

[near wasp]

Oh yeah your screwed

[rancid cove]

So I guess the making of daemon-engines is off limits for the warband unless I make a workaround my OC's hate for psykers

[near wasp]

He could just buy them from vashtor

[solid horizon]

wifi engineer of the warp

a good warpsmith his nothing without a couple sorcerers to summon daemons for him

if you dont have a warpsmith in your warband you can also contact your local dark mechanicus cult and order daemon engines

support local business

be a good chaos lord

[fervent geode]

Or you could buy them from the Word Bearers at Ghalmek

We appreciate the business

[solid horizon]

I dont trust word bearers and their daemon engines

they sell it as absolute best with pretty talk

then it's the most mid toaster on legs you've ever seen

[rancid cove]

I was thinking of makin her buy them from Vashhtor but also, the Kabal (warband's name) has a huge domain from multiple type of worlds and pretty much have minions of the dark mechanicum (who some were bought buy with goods) that would probably have sorcerers to aid them
Which makes her never have to deal with the psykers and not see them at all while they produce the daemon-engines

[rancid cove]

They live very far away from the canon area of 40k

[fervent geode]

Trust the Erebus seal of approval🙏

[fervent geode]

Far from the Maelstrom? Oh well

[rancid cove]

She unironically is, she keeps the numbers in check

[solid horizon]

then she a bad chaos lord

chaos lords gotta be chaotic and unorganised

[rancid cove]

At first I wanted to make a homebrew sector but my mind is racing with so many ideas I might make an entire homebrew Segmentum

[solid horizon]

like me on a monday

[rancid cove]

She believes that even in chaos it must have some sort of order or it all fails

[solid horizon]

most warpsmith will try to outsmart daemons and suffer for eternity once they're caught

[fervent geode]

Oh man, well Hell Forges are always around

[solid horizon]

like that guy who legit thought he could bind vashtorr to a chaos android

[fervent geode]

Oh lmao he's a slave now

[solid horizon]

yup

vashtorr was like

yup bro

plays the game for a bit

huh you really thought you got me !

[rancid cove]

The warpsmith is a veteran from very old events (he was made space marine like 22 years after the Heresy)
ended up joining the warband because they were happy to give him resources so he can do his average shenanigans
He knows what he's doing... most of the time

[solid horizon]

Iron Warriors trying not to outsmart daemons challenge (impossible)

[solid horizon]

dude should definitely join a heretek cult instead

[rancid cove]

[solid horizon]

my warpsmith (who is Pistonhand eventually, I pretend he survived) is the last remaining of his band an associated with a dark mechanicum cult which is in possession of an authentic chaos android, they repurposed it, reverse engineered it and built a ton more

they also got cultists and renegade cops from the planet they raided and turned them into rough cyborgs

[rancid cove]

[solid horizon]

I like the idea of a warpsmith being the only SM in a group/warband/cult

he's the leader obviously due to his evident superiority

[jade holly]

John I got a funny idea for Necron’s

[solid horizon]

Steve ?

[jade holly]

The Mephet’Ronolith Maneuver

Hypercrypt, go second
Deceiver your deployed main blob and Monolith

Send Monolith out using Hypercrypt’s ability and immediately send your main blob through

slingshot the warrior blob into the enemy

[solid horizon]

Based and Dawn Of War Dark Crusade Pilled

might be the only situation where a gauss reaper is better than a gauss flayer tbh

[jade holly]

Forces your opponent to deploy in response to how you deploy and Deceiver says sike leaving them open and your main stuff safely in reserves

bonus points if you send through Tesla Immortals with a Plasmancer attached

[solid horizon]

dont forget to also capture points huh

you can anniliate your enemy sure but if they have more CP you will lose

[jade holly]

That’s why you have a secret weapon

An Imotekh you left on Homebase

[solid horizon]

makes sure to send immortals to points

[jade holly]

I’ll be sure to have some Hexmakrs and Deathmarks as defense with point holders

[jade holly]

Does Royal Warden do anything fun in Hypercrypt?

[solid horizon]

idk

I vaguely remember hypercrypt as being deepstrike boogaloo

[jade holly]

Guerilla Warfare the detachment

[solid horizon]

hit and run

(long range edition)

[jade holly]

Keep bouncing your models in and out of reserves so they don’t get hit

Which makes Deathmarks an especially annoying bunch to damage

[rancid cove]

Mine have a lot of cultists, most are either prisoners or renegade guardsmen
the smaller part of them are recruits from the planets they control but those are usually used as fodder for other tasks rather than actual military tasks

[solid horizon]

I lost faith in deathmarks because they used to be better before (therefore built immortals instead) but they're still pretty good against leader boost-based factions (such as ad mech or astra militarum for example)

[jade holly]

Though I think the detachment I want to play around with the most is Shatterstar or Awakened just to do the Szeras’s immortal army and Szarekh’s moving castle together

[jade holly]

I need to preface this by saying I haven’t done a tabletop match yet but I have been reading rules. But do Triarch Praetorians need buffed?

[solid horizon]

wanna make something really funny ? stuff all your scarabs in the monolith

land on the enemy lines

deploy

explode

[jade holly]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-go-my-scarab-scarab-assyst-gif-9837798423909404507

[solid horizon]

scarabs are a lot better now than they used to be before

[jade holly]

Shatterstar wants Spyders right?

Since it’ll be vehicle heavy?

[solid horizon]

necrons used to have really bad initiative stats (meaning they were more or less always the ones to hit last)

are spyders vehicles or monsters ?

hmm vehicle

the issue of spyders is that they're really really slow

[jade holly]

I meant because Spyders help vehicles no?

[solid horizon]

they can help blobs was well

Goon Prism™

[jade holly]

Do Cryptothralls still give a blob 4+ FNP?

[solid horizon]

the beer tank with claws ?

[jade holly]

The funny bird thing

[solid horizon]

the beer tank with claws

[jade holly]

Honestly, the more I look at the stuff and rules for the models in Royal Court the more I want that box set

Besides just the Skorpekh Lord

[solid horizon]

I need to look at newer models datasheet 😔

it's been a long time since 5th edition is over

this is probably the detachment I'm going to use when I'll play necrons next time

crucible of champion can allow op combo

flayed overlord with ressurection orbs and a 10 man flayed one squad

have you seen it by the way ?

wait let me get a clearer picture

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1471262468620943553/1478093018744492184/20260302_161941.jpg?ex=69b453e5&is=69b30265&hm=5333c639551f11995eb367c7c63e395ca28ec05b0db09321c13cb8edfb05067e&=&format=webp&width=1091&height=818

with my will be done you can just revive your flayed ones for free, or make them go really fast

[jade holly]

Fancy

[heady rivet]

@storm jungle

[jade holly]

Would Catachan be the home of 40K in universe Popeyes?

[heady rivet]

No, Catachan has better discipline and organization

[solid horizon]

nah

voidsmen

[heady rivet]

I think he means the chicken joint

[rocky gale]

I had Popeyes recently, it was nice

[jade holly]

Popeyes became my favorite chicken place ngl

Used to be CFA, those milkshakes are godly

[heady rivet]

Its great but its a gamble every time because every Popeyes is run chaotically for some reason

[jade holly]

The Popeyes near me is consistently good

It’s also right across from my Warhammer store

Like literally right across, in the same parking lot

[heady rivet]

https://youtu.be/pqWkwolb3as

[solid horizon]

sorry im not americanpilled enough 😔

[heady rivet]

https://youtu.be/c6KvPIFumJs

Popeyes gets away with it because they got great chicken

[rocky gale]

We got them other places too

One opened in NI and it confused my mum, she thought it was called Popeyes because the chicken was going to be coated in Popcorn

I don't know why she thought that

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/gachimuchi-bogdan-turned-around-cool-gif-25461987

[rocky gale]

She had that thought after we ordered it and she started panicking that it would be coated in popcorn

[winter pine]

🤔

[cerulean trellis]

the idea sounds weirdly intriguing btu i think i would prefer the popcorn on the side

[rancid cove]

Always kinda funny that the worst people ever, who commit the most heinous of crimes usually go
"That's satanic! And I prohibit it!"

My brother in christ you called 25 people 100 different slurs from the way back home, saying no for hobbies cause you think its satanic won't get you to heaven

[daring creek]

"Jesus is king"

That will always be offputting to me in profile bios

[daring creek]

It also says you have to be a literal demon to engage in whatever horrible thing when you really don't need to be.

I feel calling things satanic only adds onto religious crusading...which is very annoying and propagandic.

I hate the idea that we need to respect that sort of tall tale belief like bro go back to the 18th century or something

[solid horizon]

more like jesus is dead

[daring creek]

Its only delusional if its not related to religion!

[solid horizon]

lived twice, died twice

[daring creek]

If god isn't in the picture then its delusional

[rancid cove]

[daring creek]

I have impeccable typing skills..

[rancid cove]

That's why when I see weird religious people online I already start referring to myself as satanic and believer in satanism

It's so funny seeing them avoidin me in public servers

[daring creek]

Like the only difference between islamic religious crazies and christian religious crazies is that one is stigmatized and perscuted a whole lot more

[rancid cove]

I hate both equally

[daring creek]

Insneed

[jade holly]

I’m just glad I’m a nondenominational Christian

Imo the simplest form

Ya go to church, read bible, learn lesson from story, apply lesson to your life, sing, go home

[solid horizon]

based

Im not big on religion but my best friend is a faithful christian who's probably the most disciplined person I know

once or twice a week, I know my tambourine serves the lord

[arctic talon]

my religion is some weird syncretic thing

[fervent geode]

My religion is going to church sometimes

And temple sometimes

[rancid cove]

I'm almost goin non religious even tho I believe in a lot of stuff

[young pecan]

I hate one because it glorifies polyamorous pedophilia and I hate the other one because it glorifies polyamorous pedophilia. Hope this helps

[rancid cove]

https://tenor.com/view/asa-mitaka-denji-chainsaw-man-yoshida-hirofumi-eating-gif-15011784206555538816

[civic gale]

ok so

what are ad mechs known for?

tech right?

[spare osprey]

Yeh.

[civic gale]

so

[spare osprey]

They're the only ones that ""understand"" tech.
You need one to say... maintain a tank.
Except maintenance probably inply them waving incense around as much as them actually using tools.

[civic gale]

and this is kind of irrelevant for this chat but

ad mech class

but their blitz

changes the summon

which is different types of "tech"

[spare osprey]

The only idea I got for an Ad Mech class would be like... a passive gimmick of them instantly completing an auspex mini game.

[solid horizon]

ad mech rad bombardment

[daring creek]

That better be a fucking thing

[spare osprey]

-# I cook once every other blue moon.

[gusty portal]

Bed, Wed, Behead: Aza'gorod, Mag'ladroth, Mephet'ran

[solid horizon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJn_QWjSK1Q

as a tabletop player

if I had the darktide team against me I would instantly flip the table

[young pecan]

Before Arbites was revealed I had a concept for AdMech, where it was a constantly active blitz (probably different servoskulls like in the Mechanicus game) and you using it was just micro management for either targeting enemies or allies woven in between combat

Then they made cyber mastiffs so that was neat, they aren't a blitz themselves but it was close to what I meant

[solid horizon]

most of the blitz and abilities in game are based on tabletop abilities even tho they dont always match

[sacred ginkgo]

Everything in the game is based on tabletop

[solid horizon]

what I was about to say is

no ad mech model has servo skull as ability

not even technoarcheologist (which is what hadron seems to be)

ad mech models like skits for example have stuff like omnispex and data tether/vox

which I think would be difficult to translate ingame

basically on tabletop they give you ability to ignore cover or refund a stratagem

I dont think making every sniper glow would be very useful

worst of all, ad mech class would have no grenades at all (sadge)

[lament shoal]

We've seen coordinated guard regiments take down csms and helbruts before. What matters most is if they have prep time.

[solid horizon]

real

[sacred ginkgo]

Or a plasma to the face

That works too

[lament shoal]

The acolytes are always briefed on their mission before landing, so I would imagine they'd know they were facing a space marine beforehand

[solid horizon]

do not underestimate the guard with orders

necron warriors are cat piss stat wise compared to them

dark tide squad can also spam grenades, which realistically on tabletop would lead you to defeat due to the ammount of command points sucked out of existence

[spare osprey]

Send in one crazy shmuck with a jump pack and a krak grenade.
-1 Chaos Marine in Realspace.

[solid horizon]

a grenade costs 1 CP and deals 1D6 mortal wounds

[lament shoal]

In before Dilara shows up and murders everyone for promoting "guardslop"

[solid horizon]

only way to survive that would be to successfully roll inv save or FNP

[lament shoal]

Crackhead with an rpg

[solid horizon]

for having actually fought against nurgle beasts on tabletop I can guarantee it's the most horrible unit to take down, a knight is easier to take down

not to mention they go by squad as well

[spare osprey]

A squad of Burgles?

[lament shoal]

Yeah I would argue beasts of nurgle are worse than csms

[solid horizon]

it's safe to assume Wolfer did not read his detachment rules and abilities else he'd be aware of the nurgle daemon aura debuffs

[lament shoal]

Homie forgot to use his command points

[spare osprey]

I will paint my silly little ladybug-colored Guard platoon and I will be happy.

[solid horizon]

fortunately, poxbursters do not exist on tabletop

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1326747259395768456/1383051320155574402/catScared-2x.gif

[lament shoal]

Based

[solid horizon]

inquisitor dilara is here, quick get back to your strategic reserves

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

[spare osprey]

-# Ow, fuck... laughing hurts right now.

[solid horizon]

interestingly poxwalkers have the same use on tabletop as ingame

i.e. blocking player line of sight with their stupid ass hitboxes

[lament shoal]

80 POXWALKERS

[solid horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

laughs in 120 necron warriors blob

what makes nurgle insanely strong on tabletop is all the stupid ass op abilities they have and aura

[solid horizon]

regen to blow your brain

[lament shoal]

I was honestly surprised to see that a lot of the enemies in darktide aren't on tt

[lament shoal]

Mostly the moebian specialists

[solid horizon]

moebian specialists are based on specific FW models

the sniper is from the GW traitor guard kill team

but ye most of them dont exist

[lament shoal]

Poxburters would be cool too but I bet they'd be a pain to play against lmao

[solid horizon]

some of them are adapted from other chaos factions

[solid horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[solid horizon]

so that's just a cyclop that can advance and charge

cool

flips the table

[lament shoal]

The last thing the poxburster sees before blowing up in my face

[solid horizon]

mutants would be really good models to melee lock enemy units tho

WHOOAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP

WHOOOOOOHHHHH

haha unit blocked, you can't shoot me loser

I suspect mutants to have learned waaaghjitsu from the greatest ork masters

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-mutant-warhammer-40k-darktide-mutant-gif-1118053842768353546

Mutant train lol

[spare osprey]

A gif I can hear.

[young pecan]

My favorite part is that you can see there's a smyker offscreen who eventually gets grabbed and trampled

[fervent geode]

Tbh it would be cool to bash moebians and run them as Poxwalkers

[daring creek]

Maybe nurgle isn't such a bad guy

[spare osprey]

Nurgie stinks so he is the bad guy.

[languid meadow]

the fucking smyker makes this gif so good

like dude is trying to stop a tsunami with a tennis racket

[young pecan]

nooo my game pauser isn't pausing all of the gameeeuhhhh

[daring creek]

You can

Just know how to dodge

[crystal forum]

do you guys think it would be in poor taste to have PTSD represented in a militarum vet

[spare osprey]

If written for realsies?
No. Absolutely not.
The shit we send our boys and girls at were never meant to be witnessed by mortal eyes and to live long enough to remember such things would adle the brain.

[arctic talon]

if written well no

if written poorly or as a joke yes

[crystal forum]

the vets we have in darktide dont really give a shit but can you imagine how broken somebody would be after just one campaign in the militarum

[spare osprey]

I mean, Prof, Cutt, and Loose are all cracked motherfuckers so they skipped the PTSD phase/chose their coping mechanisms.

[near wasp]

I mean if you survive your first deployment you either can handle yourself or you get sent to a PTSD center that coincidentally is next to a servitor factory

Either you recover enough to serve or you serve in other ways

[spare osprey]

Remind me.
Being turned into a Servo-skull is for loyalists, right?
Servitors are en masse just criminals, rejects, traitors, etc.?

[near wasp]

Servoskull is done after death

Servitor is while alive

And yeah your thoughts right.

[spare osprey]

I see.
Either way, I ain't turning into no doorknob.

[crystal forum]

anybody could become a servitor if the need is there and the admech wants it

[near wasp]

I mean they'll just continue to expand the term criminal until quota is met

Including unmet quotas

[spare osprey]

Odd question because I played Frostpunk... thrice and played that Gloriana mission.
Would they make a Forge World out of an Ice planet?
Lot of natural coolers around after all.

[crystal forum]

what would the point of it being cold be

[heady rivet]

They;d make a forge world anywhere, but the act of being a forge world destroys the entire ecosystem anyway

[near wasp]

Mining gases

[crystal forum]

not saying it can't happen just wondering why it would matter

it's not like they're cooling computers

[near wasp]

I think they'd probably just harvest resources from the planet and stage the forge world on a nearby world

[spare osprey]

Because factories/machines in the ice and snow is a really cool aesthetic to me.

[crystal forum]

pollution of a forge world kinda cancels out any natural ice age unless the planet is like physically farther away from its star or smth

[crystal forum]

it does happen sometimes. i can think of one in the night lords omnibus

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/frostpunk-gif-14001640136696523822

Just one more planet idea for my Homebrew sector.
:]

[crystal forum]

imagine a planet where admech accidentally cause a runaway greenhouse effect and they end up with forge world looking like venus

[jade holly]

Who would you guys choose character wise for Darin De Paul to voice in the 40K universe?

For reference he voices Reinhardt, Revenant from Apex and Emperor Calus

[arctic talon]

cutthroat and loose cannon def have a lot of mental baggage

[heady rivet]

Professional- Repressed Trauma
Loose Cannon- Internalized Trauma
Cutthroat- Externalized Trauma

[arctic talon]

yeah

[opaque coyote]

https://fixupx.com/AlexMasnada02/status/2032202307467661658?s=20

Alessandro ⚜️ (@AlexMasnada02)

A vision from an alternate timeline

Quoting Maia (@maiamindel)
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it's genuinely insane how nazi germany replaced their national anthem with basically the we are charlie kirk song

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"The Kirkian line advancing"

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Horst Wessel Kirk

[sacred ginkgo]

What is this

[vital ginkgo]

Which loyalist legion would have made the largest impact on the heresy if they had joined the traitors?

[arctic talon]

imperial fists prolly, they were stationed on terra and could have severely hampered a lot of shit if they had kept it hidden

Then ultramarines

Via raw numbers

[last stone]

IF where in the perfect spot to open the gates

[rocky gale]

Fists built the Imperial Palace, if they went Heretic they could turn it into a prison

[heady rivet]

Followed by Iron Hands tbh but this makes some people (Dark Angels) seethe

[heady rivet]

Iron Cage closed beta

[rocky gale]

Dark Angels already went Heretic and it didn't matter

[median star]

looking at the thing warhammer released yesterday which is a few pages from some book in 2013 and theyre calling tartaros pattern dreadnaught armor wth

[shadow plover]

All Terminator armours are called tactical dreadnought armour

[vital ginkgo]

What were they doing after istvaan?

[shadow plover]

And "some book" when it's one of the black books... Just probably the most indepth rule and background books made by GW thanks to the late Alan Bligh smh

[heady rivet]

Fat nothing, the massacre worked. With Ferrus Manus dying, the Iron Hands who were encouraged to compete with each other couldnt work together enough to do any act but semi-isolated skirmishes and guerilla warfare in the shadow of the heretic advance

Its like a whole Thing for them

[vital ginkgo]

So they weren't much help in the heresy then?

Lame ass legion

Lazy ah bums

Shame on the house of Manus for such inactivity

Shame

[median star]

based serf

[median star]

low tier bait

[tepid glacier]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ZjZK0gQ2Nt4?is=ES2VZ-t79NSwieXo

[rancid cove]

Are you new here?

Terminator armor has always been called Tactical Dreadnought Armor

[rancid cove]

Being burned to death by Phospex? Better look tough as hell

Were there other "banned" inventions in the IoM other than AI and Phospex?

[vagrant fox]

Ok Twice Snoozer was quite good

[rocky gale]

Phosphex wasn't banned, a tech priest destroyed the only STC which could make it and got burned alive for it

[rancid cove]

I mean on a technicality it was banned due to how horrifying it is
People still use it but remaking it is nigh impossible

[rancid cove]

Yuri

[spare osprey]

STCs are such a silly concept.
Is it true that the Mechanicus really need a 3d-printer/blueprint for a slightly sharper knife?

[storm jungle]

No thats again warped made up lore

[spare osprey]

Propaganda got me again.

[shadow plover]

Many such cases

[storm jungle]

Also STCs are not really a silly concept

they are just advanced 3D holo-printers that just gave human colonists essentials they requested or needed

[vagrant fox]

Makes sense for colonising, you've got x y z materials available here's the shit you need made from that

[storm jungle]

Yeah i think people just dont really get what an STC actually is

[spare osprey]

Then I retract my statement on calling it silly.

Would the idea of an STC blueprint(s) of, say, a bunch of grapnel tech be out of the question?

[storm jungle]

Kinda. Grapnels are like extremely rudementary technology

the printer would give a way more advanced version of it

[shadow plover]

Grapnel with RGB lighting

[heady rivet]

If your STC doesnt spew radiation are you even ballin with it

[spare osprey]

Perfect, actually.

[storm jungle]

[spare osprey]

I have played The Finals and Battlefield Hardline twice each.
The idea of an urban-focused guard regiment zipping around with grappling equipment sounds kinda groovy to me.

[storm jungle]

if this is for your guard regiment then they'd never get access to that kind of stuff

any found STC would be secured by the mechanicus

they'd find it insulting to be giving it to "menials"

[vagrant fox]

If you want it for some way yonder rocky mountainous valley-filled hellhole you can have it but perhaps a bit more advanced than just a grapnel system

[spare osprey]

I see.
But.
I'll find a way.
An Administratum typing error to flood their valley-filled planet with grapnel shit, maybe?

[vagrant fox]

I mean the first part is that it was used on a planet like that for colonising purposes

[storm jungle]

That'd only get them in further trouble and they'd be seen as sullying an STC tech.

[vagrant fox]

bam 20-30k years later some schmucks afraid of fire find it

[storm jungle]

You'd need something like the admech agreeing to provide the regiment with a small blueprint of it and giving it to the regiment as standard-issue equipment using their planet's factories or something.

an IG regiment would never be fully allowed to have proper high-gear STC stuff

[naive cliff]

I don’t think ascension gear is high tech in the 41st millennium 🤣

[vagrant fox]

That's assuming it's proper out of the STC high grade stuff

[spare osprey]

Recently learning about the Elysians and their Grav-chutes I kinda go babyman-mode in saying 'I wan' movement tech too.'

[vagrant fox]

Entirely allowed

[naive cliff]

See they have that, no reason other people can’t have a grapple gun of all things

[cerulean trellis]

@spare osprey dont overcomplicate it. Base mechanical grapple tech is built by hive scum in Imperium Maledictum

[vagrant fox]

Yea it's fine, it's allowed

[storm jungle]

It is if its extremely advanced

[vagrant fox]

It's just if you really want some STC involved

you probably need a good excuse

[storm jungle]

Van Saar in Necromunda have their STC provide only "basic" weaponry which they deal out to beyond the planet and its all rudimentary technology

[vagrant fox]

You can also just say as a reward they get a variant of the system as a reward

[storm jungle]

^

[vagrant fox]

Your homebrewing your rules

[naive cliff]

There’s a point where that stuff cannot be made more complicated

[storm jungle]

I mean this is 40k, it very much can be.

[spare osprey]

Oh.
Well.
I only assumed it required some STC bunk because the only lore blub I found involved it being the Space Marine Grapnel gun.

[vagrant fox]

I can imagine some doc-oc autonomous arm grapling system for wild stuff but if it's just ye-olde SM grapnel gun it's w/e probably

[cerulean trellis]

Only if you overcomplicate it ^^

Grappel gun at todays standard, no probs. Maybe even slightly more advanced.
Just skip antrigrav stuff and keep ot mechanical

[spare osprey]

Awesome-sauce.
Thank you, folks.

[vagrant fox]

As an aside since reading Oldcron stuff in the ancient days for the first time I do like a Necron character wholly besides the C'tan. Djoseras is a lad

wild what a good story can do

[shadow plover]

Twice Dead King my beloved

[vagrant fox]

It's quite good

[shadow plover]

Pretty much my all time favourite 40k story

[naive cliff]

It really can’t, without becoming cartoonish.
“A steam-powered ascension gun that uses the heat from a miniature nuclear reactor to boil water”

[queen laurel]

and 40K is not cartoonish at times?

[rancid cove]

Talking about STC's and homebrewing
I know it is maybe and kinda possible to reverse engineer some gear in 40k to maybe rediscover how they're built to make them without the need of the original STC's but I wonder what would be an example of impossible or extremely difficult shit to ever recreate

Maybe I could say a dark mechanicum figured out how to make Tartaros terminator armor after reverse engineering a lost one, but what would be considered impossible to ever achieve again?

[storm jungle]

It really can. STCs are high tier technology, theres no "steam powered" aspect to them going by your example for starters.

[rancid cove]

40k is extremely cartoonish at times
Hell maybe most of the time

[storm jungle]

They are generic utopian tier technology

[vagrant fox]

It's slotting into the top list for me but it can't compete with nostalgia, alas

[celest dome]

I mean, some Melta weapons basically are "Heated material being vented in the direction of the enemy"

[queen laurel]

orks out here making titans powered by steam

[celest dome]

Could make one that use water I guess

[storm jungle]

...that isnt steam powered

[queen laurel]

sure this is primitive by their standards even but like it's a working Titan powered by steam

[naive cliff]

My point is, if you’re making something up, there’s no point in making something simple incredibly complex, without a good reason

[storm jungle]

Its not complex though

[rancid cove]

Because 40k already overcomplicate its contents that were before basic concepts

[celest dome]

There is nothing done in 40k that is "for good reason" other than to sell miniatures

[storm jungle]

^

[vagrant fox]

STCs are the entire reason to overcomplicate very simple things

[storm jungle]

also for most people its fun to explain "why does X have X"

[rancid cove]

Like me
I love the complicated lore shit

Going into depth in how bolt round works is so fucking funny

It almost reminds me of "the missile knows where it is by knowing where it isnt"

[rancid cove]

And that's ignoring the already overcomplicated pseudo-science 40k has into their shit

Like Ork biology

[raven stone]

40k is science fantasy

At the end of the day

[queen laurel]

thing is ork technology is actual technology their psychic powers just help hold it together

Like it's an actual functioning gun it's just gonna have a 99% chance of exploding when it doesn't have the psychic link when it does it only has a 65% chance of exploding

[raven stone]

Orks have psychic duct tape

[queen laurel]

yeah like it has an actual tangible effect but it's not that strong

[rancid cove]

And a secret 5% of the gun simply dismantling on your hands

[vagrant fox]

Yeah just go stupid
This gun deletes things it shoots from reality because uhhh... Anyways they're gone

[queen laurel]

ork tech as long as you fortify it it's completely usable, we literally have one of the biggest examples be this

as long as you actually stabilize it it's gonna be working fine

[rancid cove]

Some times I envy GW writers who actually do some pseudo-science explanation that some times makes sense

I feel like they had to do a masters degree in actual physics and chemistry to come up with bullshit that sounds reasonable

I want to become Baki's narrator

[celest dome]

Isn't that case more like ripping out all the internal and replacing it with Power Fist tech ?

[rancid cove]

I feel like the claw works because Yarrick uses it
They didn't even stabilize it or modify it
It literally felt his aura and decided he was the man

[queen laurel]

nope just made it more stable and basically an implant to fit him

[queen laurel]

yeah that's good but by being serious though people that say you can't use ork tech almost always seem to ignore this guy

[vagrant fox]

Yeah it's just a working power claw that got slapped on his stump

[storm jungle]

^

[vagrant fox]

Hard move gotta respect it

[rancid cove]

Ork tech can be used if you don't try to use it after instantly picking it up

[storm jungle]

we see it in the Old Bale Eye animation, the techpriests help fit it onto him

[queen laurel]

Like if you actually go through the effort of stabilizing the technology you can use it, hell TAU even reverse engineered it

[rancid cove]

Most of the time its people picking up a scrap from the ground that was beneath a dead ork and trying to see if its still works

[rancid cove]

Well you see TAU has the time for shit like that the Imperium is still knee deep into random bureaucracy to care

[queen laurel]

Point is more to the proof that actual ork tech is actual tech but I mean that is true

also Xenos tech bad

[rancid cove]

Thats why being a renegade is much better
You dont gotta listen to any of that nonsense

Just fucking do it and move on

If it explodes and kill you, great
Next guy can try better

[vagrant fox]

smh my head don't you want to be a part of the turbo-evil baby-furnacing child-abducting mass-murdering genocide empire?

disappointed

I will happily line up in a queue to receive an important replacement limb for 90 standard terran years

[rancid cove]

Yeah but too much rules
So now I'm a member of the turbo-evil baby-furnacing child-abducting mass-murdering genocide CHAOS empire

Biiig difference

I can do genociding way faster AND without limitations

[vagrant fox]

disappointed x2 the abductee-children gone indoctrined killers can kill fast and without most limitations

[queen laurel]

But they did reverse engineer a few things

[rancid cove]

Most limitations but still has limitations!

[vagrant fox]

Rules makes society work it's necessary

[queen laurel]

it's just that it ended up atrociously

[vagrant fox]

got damn I hate those marines but it works so good on the orks

[rancid cove]

Ngl i dont think those are reverse engineered its just simple concepts anyone could get up to

[rancid cove]

I work better with a chaotic society

[vagrant fox]

You would never survive Jantes laws

[queen laurel]

come on it's literally a 1 to 1

Guns stacked on top of each other and literally the buggies like

[rancid cove]

Yeah because strapping a gun on top of a car aint really a very difficult concept to imagine

Neither is big guys with big rocket launchers

Like devastator marines HAVE been a thing forever

So has vehicle mounted guns

We have those irl we didnt need an alien race to teach it to us

[queen laurel]

it's just the really funny similarities lot of these because like with like you said devastators they genuinely have different weapons and types of munitions

it's not just the same rocket gun stuck into each other that looks like a nerf gun of the repeated there's actual flavour on these guys

[rancid cove]

The IoM is known for just taking 2 types of weapons and sticking it together

[vagrant fox]

devestators my beloved

[queen laurel]

Desolation squads look like they decided to copy of flash git's entire flow

[rancid cove]

They didnt reverse engineer ork tech

They already used to have those concepts before

Lol

[queen laurel]

yeah it's a joke

did you think i actually think they actually reverse engineered ork tech?

[rancid cove]

I mean they probably did for some stuff but yeah
Im autistic
I genuinely thought you were serious here

Im very tone deaf for social cues

[vagrant fox]

maybe you would survive jantes laws

[queen laurel]

I mean hey I don't blame you but like my guy look at the comparisons many things like this have been happening in real life of course but like you have to admit looking at this side by side is just funny because it looks so dumb on the imperium side

it really does not work for a space marine

[celest dome]

The SM one really does look more like that Mario Kart game

[queen laurel]

warthammer Kart racing hmm, I might actually play that

Different factions different vehicles

[rancid cove]

I think it works because you're trying to compare aesthetics and looks rather than taking into account the Imperium is VAST so they have to do universal concepts to spread around EVERYONE

[heady rivet]

This is true but I disagree. I choose to believe its just my GOAT Yarrick

[rancid cove]

Putting them side by side and going "THIS ONE LOOKS BETTER" is just kinda lame for me

They look like that for a reason

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-kart-double-dash-mario-kart-video-games-nintendo-gamecube-gamecube-gif-17741100

Peak

[vagrant fox]

The SM one really doesn't work, a lot of their light vehicles don't imo

[storm jungle]

^

[vagrant fox]

subjectively but definitely objectively

[storm jungle]

Like im sorry but literally everyone hated this model

"comparison" has nothing to do with it lmao

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/its-alll-so-tiresome-tired-gif-14029153

[queen laurel]

Yeah that's what I'm saying like with orks it makes sense because they are literally battle hardened junkies that genuinely do not care about this stuff but space marines are elite soldiers of the imperium I expect them to have something that has a design that doesn't look that atrocious

[heady rivet]

Y'know I wonder if he ever got that road built

[solid horizon]

banana peel, my favorite stratagem

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/4loz3CeGX9Y?t=53

[solid horizon]

it's cool but you should try hunter killer blue shell

[queen laurel]

nah I prefer the blue shell stratagem really pisses them off

[vagrant fox]

The storm speeder is so close to being good but the goof in the back ruins it

what is he doing back there kill him

[solid horizon]

orks have objectively better karts but I dont think that's any news

[vagrant fox]

exceedingly mild +2

when's tuesday I wanna play expeditions it's too far away

[solid horizon]

ork hot rod goes haaaaaard

[limpid granite]

ofcourse the model is tiring its a car!

[solid horizon]

Crossout - Craft, Ride, Destroy

[queen laurel]

My favorite is a perfectly good plane that you can rebuild turning it into a tractor car instead

[solid horizon]

same neuron lmao

[queen laurel]

BAHAHAHAHAHAH

[storm jungle]

tbh its because this is based on a literal fucking car or has a good base to build off of

the Primaris ATV is just a toy

[limpid granite]

brother i cant hear shit

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/leon-chokes-choking-ada-wong-gif-26380793

[solid horizon]

nah orks are just exceedingly better engineers than the imperium

fancy tech doesn't mean better tech

[spring cairn]

tech magos tryina steal that orkish swag

[vagrant fox]

I am quite fond of the shokkjump dragsta, I want to go faster

[solid horizon]

have you seen those deff dreads

[heady rivet]

That tiresome guy becomes even more hilarious in a tragic sense when you see that its from a documentary of him trying and failing to build a single road

[solid horizon]

machine is too cool to be ignored

[rocky gale]

I for one like the Invader ATV

[vagrant fox]

Well you are irish, it can't be helped

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/zeng-this-guy-right-here-this-right-here-point-out-point-gif-23913867

Kill.

[solid horizon]

invader ATV looks like those kits lego try to sell you when they run out of ideas

[rocky gale]

It's cool

[vagrant fox]

It should be put on the same shelf of shame as bionicles

[queen laurel]

go faster by going through hell for a split second i respect it

[solid horizon]

what color is yo' dragsta' ?

[rancid cove]

I dont mind it so thats why I think like that

[solid horizon]

on tabletop ork vehicles are genuinely awesome

[vagrant fox]

I think I painted all of my vehicles in that Speedfreaks game solid gold

[solid horizon]

if only they didn't have [Hazardous] on most of their weapons

[rose thorn]

https://youtu.be/Nl1t3NoTB8o?si=lmNPqEDDpq-3hF4B

[rancid cove]

Anyways

[heady rivet]

Sadly no 40k vehicles are good until they bring back the Genestealer limo

[queen laurel]

you mean this guy that got banned off twitter?

[storm jungle]

Awful opinion. Banned btw

[vagrant fox]

Oh that's the guy who got banned

[vagrant fox]

Good riddance

[spring cairn]

most of the primaris era sm vehicles habe been dog imo

[storm jungle]

"imo"

you mean absolutely

[spring cairn]

yeah idk

i have to account for crazy people

[solid horizon]

primaris era is dogshit

[spring cairn]

i like the primaris model itself

[vagrant fox]

Dreadnoughts had a glowup as much as I like old boxnoughts

[spring cairn]

and the dreads are nice yea

[solid horizon]

I suspect GW to have created Primaris to make SMs less goofy and sell even more SMs

[spring cairn]

good riddance goofy proportions rip bozo

[storm jungle]

Suspect?

thats the entire reason why tbh

[vagrant fox]

yes

[storm jungle]

also "new thing" sells better

at the end of the day Primaris were the correct business decision

[solid horizon]

I said I suspect because I dont want the GW inquisition to knock at my door

[vagrant fox]

I do like the Astraeus but I'm not so keen on the whole infinite gravity repulsor vehicles for everyone

[spring cairn]

i thinkl they alright, they just need to stop fumbling the vehicles

[vagrant fox]

I want my dirty ugly old tracks back they were peak

[solid horizon]

I remember reading the white dward magazine showcasing primaris at the time when they were a thing for the first time

it's around the same time I stopped playing tabletop tbh

[vagrant fox]

Their introduction was very funny

People were mad

[spring cairn]

i don't get that

[queen laurel]

for the crime of not agreeing with us she will be stripped with arcane maddie privileges for five weeks

[solid horizon]

I had ptsd of initiative rules and fight against regular SMs

[spring cairn]

objectively, the primaris marines look better

[limpid granite]

theyve also reproportioned firstborn

[solid horizon]

GW adding new better space marines pissed me off

[storm jungle]

they do but it invalidated your entire marine army you'd have spent building for years

[limpid granite]

its basically you cant play with your tabletop armies anymore

[storm jungle]

but uhhh

going as far as burning them was hilarious

LMAO

[spring cairn]

deserved for playing sm's tbh

[limpid granite]

since if you want to participate in 10th edition it was you needing to rebuy them in primarisd

[storm jungle]

agreed

[solid horizon]

Idk I like the simplicity of oldmarines

[limpid granite]

at launch there was also not a single armor piece backwards compatible

so you have the same grey mush

[storm jungle]

i think Lambda means like teh "basic" default Primaris marine

[spring cairn]

john primaris

[storm jungle]

I literally only hate the ass chaps

[vagrant fox]

Overall I like the reproportioned oldmarines more but I can't hate on the primaris much

[storm jungle]

you can hate on primaris all day

[spring cairn]

they look cool

[storm jungle]

my rule is to just not be toxic about it

because at the end of the day for me at least i dont really care

[solid horizon]

I dont like their abdomenplate

[vagrant fox]

I don't have it in me thogg don't care

[limpid granite]

i just want armor sets to be retrofitted to primaris

[solid horizon]

the wire articulation was better aesthetically imo

[storm jungle]

theres also like barely any difference between the armor marks visually

[spring cairn]

sm's art for dorks anyway, play the only cool imperial faction IG

[limpid granite]

hell even bail sharr uses his mk4 armor as a primaris anyways

[solid horizon]

primaris contribute to the scale creep and thats not cool

I say

chop primaris' legs off

[vagrant fox]

na

More Eldar is what's needed

[limpid granite]

GW being cringe and not letting classes use old armor

[solid horizon]

Yes

[spring cairn]

less eldar

[limpid granite]

less slaanesh

[vagrant fox]

remove chudperial guard as well

[spring cairn]

more tau, more LoV, more guard and more mechanicus

[solid horizon]

crucify your balls

[vagrant fox]

resquat the votann

make it the war in heaven game

[solid horizon]

mechanicus needs more stuff in 40k

they have all the cool stuff in 30k and it's not even intercompatible

like wtf james workshop

kastelan robots literally predate the imperium

AND YOU CANT USE HERESY ERA TECH !!!???

[spring cairn]

i wish the solar auxilia could be in 40k they so kewl

[shadow plover]

It's because Mechanicus and Mechanicum are quite different in the end

[rocky gale]

They are just use them as Guard, they're the same scale

[spring cairn]

it's noit the same

[solid horizon]

yeah maybe but still

[limpid granite]

hopefully big dick is voiced by karl franz's VA

[solid horizon]

I dont really care who ad mech is, Im a dark mech typa guy

[limpid granite]

for ttw40k

[spring cairn]

here's hopinh

[solid horizon]

I wonder, are warhammer horse human servitors in a horse mechanical body, or are they horse servitors ?

[storm jungle]

its a mechanized horse

[limpid granite]

just mechanized

[storm jungle]

since its his original war steed from years back

for Leontus at least

organic horses exist

[heady rivet]

Please dont say that while posting a horse

[limpid granite]

kills you with rock

[solid horizon]

so a honse servitor basically

[shadow plover]

YOU didn't have to take it there

[storm jungle]

its not a lobotomised menial so no its not a servitor

[limpid granite]

leontus is so fvking cool...

[solid horizon]

so a skitarii horse ?

[heady rivet]

I didnt put the train on the tracks but I sure as hell drove it

[solid horizon]

without mechanicus oath thing

[limpid granite]

shut

[storm jungle]

its not a skitarii horse

💀

fucking hell ITS JUST A MECHANIZED HORSE

[solid horizon]

hush im trying to find an equivalent

yes but like

what part of the horse is remaining

[storm jungle]

Likel the brain and some internal organs

[rocky gale]

It's the horse if Theseus

[heady rivet]

Who said that

[solid horizon]

so basically a servitor horse that isnt lobotomised

[limpid granite]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ishowspeed-speed-reaction

[solid horizon]

why did they make the horse regular and didnt boost it instead

are they stupid !!???

[spring cairn]

herse

[storm jungle]

you cant be a servitor if you arent a lobotomized menial

a servitor is literally a human cyborg-slave

[solid horizon]

so

a horse thallax then

IIRC thallaxes are not lobotomised and still have their original cerebral autonomy

https://tenor.com/view/robocop-gif-19306960

[celest dome]

Why not look at the Serbery's Dog/horses

Cybercanids that are modified into horses

God I want more Serbery stuff

[solid horizon]

those suck ass imo

when I'll need some I'm just gonna built skits on motorbikes and proxy them as such

[rancid cove]

Warhammer 40k isekai

[near wasp]

Wish me luck fellas. Wifi and long distance calls are down in my area

I'm having to make phone calls to customers on my personal phone because nothing else is working

[heady rivet]

Depending 0on your area the severity of this varies massively

[raven stone]

Reminds me of my past days…

[near wasp]

Im a security alarm guy and I work closely with the ISP so there working on it

But yeah it's mad annoying to have to spoof my number so customers don't call me back

[spring cairn]

kill all customers

[near wasp]

Then I wouldn't have a job and no job means no money

[spring cairn]

long term planning is for dorks

[near wasp]

Blood bonding and slavery only works until you run out of money then you starve to death or the tax man runs your numbers and finds out they make no sense

[rancid cove]

Talking about STC's and homebrewing
I know it is maybe and kinda possible to reverse engineer some gear in 40k to maybe rediscover how they're built to make them without the need of the original STC's but I wonder what would be an example of impossible or extremely difficult shit to ever recreate

Maybe I could say a dark mechanicum figured out how to make Tartaros terminator armor after reverse engineering a lost one, but what would be considered impossible to ever achieve again?

Reposting cause it got ignored amidst the earlier discussions

[near wasp]

It's possible and dark mech are more likely to do something like that since they can experiment

But they are ever more likely to just put daemons into it for no reason

[rancid cove]

I kinda figured it but like I just wanted maybe some tech that are in canon nigh impossible to ever replicate again

[near wasp]

Recovering space hulks is also an option to get rare gear

[rancid cove]

Trying to decide what type of equipment my warband would have and to see which would be extremely unlikely for them to have or require good explanations on how

[near wasp]

Are they an old legion split off or are they a more modern chapter that went traitor

[heady rivet]

There are some groups who just have a really impressive armory sometimes lole

They're loyalists but the Red Scorpions are fuckin loaded

[solid horizon]

Dark Mech gonna do whateva cause they can do whateva

just

never try to outsmart a daemonic entity

[near wasp]

I mean some of them are pretty dumb

Oh hey bro get in this giant metal box I'll give you lots of souls if you do

[solid horizon]

remember the daemon has to be there according to the rules

[rancid cove]

Originated from the Night Lords, created around 50 years after the death of Curze

Almost went extinct thrice, leadership changed around 4 times (4th being the most recent one), still kicking around

[solid horizon]

one cannot simply shove a daemon into a machine without the proper ritual or god's approval

[rancid cove]

Now they're just a big chaos/renegade warband

[near wasp]

I'm just simplifying for comedy's sake

[solid horizon]

yeah

[near wasp]

I'm very aware of the process of daemon engine creation

[solid horizon]

I simplified for comedy's sake on my TT campain against nurgle daemons

[rancid cove]

An old apprentice of my warbands warpsmith learned that the hard way

He's now a permanent screaming contorted face in the hull of a daemon engine

[solid horizon]

Now im gonna face a great unclean one for my behavior

Nurgle does not like me

[near wasp]

No he loves you and wishes you wouldn't spurn his gifts

Accept pestilence into your heart

[solid horizon]

NEVER

METAL IS STRONKER !!!

IRON WITHI-

I mean you CAN shove daemons into machine without divine permission

just

godspeed spiderman

got to be extra careful

[rancid cove]

Anyways

I know Segmentums act more like the directions of a compass (north, south etc)
But I wanted to make some of my own vast homebrew content outside the canon map
Would it be unlikely for the Imperium to still have influence and presence in a segmentum outside the canon map? Because I know in canon their reach is blocked by a myriad of different enemies

[storm jungle]

No they wouldnt, anywhere beyond the rim of the Segmentums are beyond the Astronomican's light

segmentums are also not really directions they are imperial branded segments (hence the name)

[rancid cove]

I see

[storm jungle]

[rancid cove]

Well so instead of a segmentum it would just be very big sectors or a group of them very close together

[storm jungle]

just do one inside a segmentum

space is extremely fucking big

theres planets/systems and sectors in Segmentum Solar that remain unexplored for example, right next to the Imperium's doorstep

[rancid cove]

I was thinking of making it between the Ultima and Obscurus segmentum

[storm jungle]

Im biased so im suggest Obscurus, its got that "north is creepy" vibe and is one of the few areas that is also left untouched even after the Rift, its where my Sector is

[storm jungle]

remember that the Imperium only has a million(s) or so handful important planets

while the Milky Way has like 300 Billion

[rancid cove]

True

[storm jungle]

basically never forget space is extremely stupidly large, just put that into account and go with whatever

[urban spire]

how many planets could there possibly be in a segmentum? 50?

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[urban spire]

i'm not going to explain this reference for the zoomers

[rocky gale]

Do you think we don't watch Arrested Development?

[rancid cove]

I really like the concept of feudal worlds because
How medieval are some of them? They gotta have some sort of technology to access communication with the Imperium or whatever but like
Can there exist just a feudal europe like planet in 40k

[storm jungle]

As ever

[rancid cove]

Cool

[urban spire]

feudal worlds are a real failure of infrastructure

their industrial and agricultural output can't be good

[humble shoal]

But soldiers

[storm jungle]

good thing they dont exist to make industrial or agricultural stuff

[urban spire]

yeah get a bunch of half starved boys from the planet that gets decimated by plague every 3-6 decades

[storm jungle]

[humble shoal]

Spesh mareen recruits

[urban spire]

dogshit source of recruits

[cerulean trellis]

most medieval worlds do kidna have preists of the ecclesiarchy there to keep the creed alive and they communicate with the empire

[cerulean trellis]

lore claims they be the best recruits because them be tough and warriors/fighters

[urban spire]

it is simply untrue, dirt farmers with no education or medicine will not make for good soldiers

[humble shoal]

Its moreso guys fighting orks with swords make good recruits

IE knights not dirt farmers

[rancid cove]

Guilliman himself sees this as very untrue
Like sure death world civilians might have more survivability skills but its just inhumane to leave them to live in those conditions

And a better developed planet could still have tough recruits if they are properly trained

[urban spire]

a feudal kingdom doesn't have the infrastructure to support a lot of knights, you'd get like a handful of dudes per kingdom or whatever the equivalent structure is

[rancid cove]

I mean they will eventually get the proper education and medical help

But uh

[urban spire]

and they still wouldn't know how to use a lasgun

[rancid cove]

The weak die and the strong survive or whatever how it goes

[urban spire]

average height was like a foot shorter in the middle ages and the european nations had a regular starvation cycle

[rancid cove]

It's not like chapters pretend to have big batches of successful recruits anyways
If 20 recruits are taken most likely only 3 would get to the final step

[urban spire]

yeah it's monstrously inefficient

look i'm not saying they're doing the lore wrong i LIKE that it sucks

[vagrant fox]

I'm going to ignore that

[urban spire]

as ever you can dismiss anything that seems particularly dumb in 40k as propaganda

[storm jungle]

Its one of the most repeated sentences of lore, sorry loser

[storm jungle]

No you cant lol

[urban spire]

i'm doing it right now

you can't stop me

[storm jungle]

shut up

[vagrant fox]

Figurative

[storm jungle]

anyway

[rancid cove]

Its just very low odds overall
Even with properly developed worlds not a lot of recruits make it into the medical exams to see if theyre compatible with the gene-seed

[storm jungle]

Nah

[vagrant fox]

Yea

[storm jungle]

Nah

anyway

this million(s) world thing is said in 3rd person constantly in rulebooks

[cerulean trellis]

true

[storm jungle]

so it isnt "well we cant trust it"

[vagrant fox]

Figuratively

[storm jungle]

Nah

the Imperium is not some galaxy dominating force

they are like a mote of dust

they just control important planets/spots

and got the firepower to back it up

(mostly)

[rancid cove]

So what... when they liberate/conquer planets they leave some poor soul to oversee it and leave it to take care of itself?

[storm jungle]

Yes...?

thats literally how it works lol

They just lay claim over a planet and modify it depending on its purpose

[urban spire]

yeah the imperium is kinda feudal in that way

explicitly

[cerulean trellis]

i mean lorgar literally got scolded because he was trying to do imperium building and beign slowe an meticulous about it

[urban spire]

the infrastructure is already incredibly overloaded they cannot manage every planet centrally

especially with how dogshit the FTL comms are

[storm jungle]

^

the shitty management system is the point yeah

planets at their base exist solely to provide resources

the moment a planet is out of use its entirely abandoned

[urban spire]

if the planetary governor fails to meet the tithe, they will be replaced by someone who can find a way to make it work

[surreal nest]

Imperium is about as efficent as a westel pretzel

[storm jungle]

Yeah this is another thing people really do not realise. No Imperial planet is really "good" to live in, the Tithe itself forces rulers to be harsh to their populace to meet quotas

Well, that is unless the guy in charge is not a cunt already, which most of them always are.

WHICH IS TOTALLY UNREALISTIC RIGHT

[urban spire]

hence the constant rebellions

[spare osprey]

Not that many of them go well...

[storm jungle]

mfw people dont like being oppressed

[urban spire]

the imperium is at its best when it's making everything worse for everyone

[storm jungle]

Yeah anyone coping it has "good" places to live is uh lmao

[spare osprey]

I imagine the best it's gonna get is if everyone only works half the planetary day.
12 hour shifts all 'round.

[cerulean trellis]

even fucking nobles are in agilded cage at best

[urban spire]

12 hour shifts are rare

that's like

if you're a child below the age of 10 you might get 12 hour shifts

before graduating to 16

[spare osprey]

Like I said.
It'd be the best one could get, y'know?

[storm jungle]

the best until you are heading home and some Enforcer kills you because hes bored

or get haggled and stabbed to death by gangers on the street

[spare osprey]

Well, that's just living in Las Vegas.

[urban spire]

like we take this bit about industrial revolution working conditions in england from wikipedia and apply the grimdark filter

the imperium would never be this sexist

women and girls under the age of ten WILL work in the mines

they want to actually

for the emperor

[vagrant fox]

Saw a picture of a ye olde child factory worker who'd lost two fingers today from some account about travelling about documenting how child workers were doing
Bet the Imperium has a lot of crippled children

[urban spire]

huh, that might make for a fun fic to write

[rancid cove]

I just kinda thought they kept some sort of system to "assist" the planets so they can be fully explored

Didn't think they just left it on its own

[storm jungle]

No lol

thats done by local guilds and other groups

[rancid cove]

Ah

I see

Makes more sense

[urban spire]

if a planet wants something it'll have to pay for it, and buying shit is at the mercy of traders

[rancid cove]

So any planet that has any imperial assistance means it's a very important/key planet

[urban spire]

yeah or it's under direct threat from some outside force

[rancid cove]

Anything else is just left to figure it out alone

[urban spire]

but even then

[rancid cove]

Would figure those planets would be defended by local military outposts (maybe guard regiments, marine chapters who live around there/fleet based)

[urban spire]

"help" is going to show up like three centuries after everyone on your planet's been mulched by orks or whatever in the form of a crusade to retake the sector

[storm jungle]

All of it depends

all this shit is left up in the air for homebrew reasons

[vagrant fox]

There's an older lore blurb about more or less cavemen being made to contribute materials to help build a space ship
That's about how it goes

[urban spire]

a planet is allowed to maintain a planetary defense force, local conditions vary

[rancid cove]

Probably depending on the situation and how important the planet or the routes related to it are I guess

[urban spire]

anyway that's why i mention feudal worls being such an incredible failure of infrastructure, because even local PDFs will have lasguns and flak vests at least

[rancid cove]

Love the "it depends" lore

[storm jungle]

I mean

its good

it lets you get creative and look at lore examples lol

[urban spire]

yeah or some gaggle of guard generals want the glory of retaking the so and so sector where saint whats her name was martyred fighting xenos five millennia ago, and they're willing to spend a LOT of lives padding their resumes

[rancid cove]

Yeah I agree thats why I said I love it

Now I can make this extremely fucked situation where this specific system is more important because X or Y

[vagrant fox]

The Lunar class cruiser forms the mainstay of Battlefleet Obscuras with over six hundred ships serving throughout the Segmentum and more than twenty ships fighting in the Gothic war. The uncomplicated design of this class ensures its enduring utility, enabling vessels to be built at hive and industrial worlds normally unable to muster the expertise to construct a capital ship. Perhaps the most remarkable example of this is the Lord Daros, constructed at the feral world of Unloth. The primitive tribesmen dwelling there were influenced to mine and smelt metals which were then presented for "sacrifice" at sky temples established by the Planetary lord. The raw materials were then lifted into orbit on each vernal equinox. After a period of eleven years, the tribes were rewarded for their effort with the sight of a bright new star moving across the heavens as the Lord Daros boosted out-system to join Battlefleet Obscuras.

Exceedingly silly, I love it. Sometimes the assistance is just resource extraction

[urban spire]

you can't expect the imperium to act rationally as a body

[rancid cove]

He wants that medal and by the Emperor he's going to take it

[storm jungle]

[vagrant fox]

Don't post this pepe again

[urban spire]

like doesn't the crusade the first gaunt novels cover culminate in a fight over a planet that's literally nothing but shrines

[rancid cove]

Slave work hit even the cavemen

[urban spire]

caveman regiment

only the best for the imperial guard

[vagrant fox]

Hagia or whatever? The Imperium has a lot of these

[near wasp]

Honestly cave men probably make pretty good shock troops

or servitors

[urban spire]

commissar vargo say 'thrag use the trigger' but trigger too small, not hit good

[urban spire]

literally shrine worlds yes, remembered after posting

[rancid cove]

I mean

[urban spire]

caveman regiment has THE most depressed enginseer

[rancid cove]

My warband has an entire "regiment" of literal cavemen and barely sentient xeno specimens made combat servitors arch-flagellent style

[near wasp]

Stop hitting the chimera with rocks!

[urban spire]

sulking alone in their chimera that they can't get trained drivers for

[near wasp]

Probably would just make a servitor who could

[rancid cove]

Yeah but would a servitor consider doing a sick drift over a very complex road block?

[urban spire]

how fast are chimeras now?

[rancid cove]

Whatever speed you require for the plot

[urban spire]

pulling the handbrake on my chimera in order to do a sick drift, locking the threads and instantly bringing the vehicle to a complete halt

[rancid cove]

If an irl tank can drift
40k tanks therefore are also drifting material

You just gotta have the right driver

[swift adder]

Are chimeras really that fast

[rancid cove]

https://tenor.com/view/fuzzolance-ambulance-drive-gosling-gif-8487904973116878780

[swift adder]

I don’t really vision tanks as fast

[urban spire]

you can really say whatever the hell you want about IG tanks though those things aren't remotely real

[storm jungle]

they are about as fast as your average APC tbh

[urban spire]

like just the gun on a leman russ alone is so big that there's no room for ammo

[vagrant fox]

I think the old specifications said 50-60 km/h offroad but a lot of those specifications are silly

[urban spire]

look at this fuckin thing

[rancid cove]

I could def pull out a drift on that

[vagrant fox]

One day it'll be hit with the nu-40k sensible proportions beam

[swift adder]

You think the imperial guard spams tanks a lot

[rancid cove]

Is there a single thing the guard doesnt spam?

[swift adder]

Rations that don’t taste like dung

[vagrant fox]

IG spams everything except sensibility

[urban spire]

modern US tanks have 120mm cannon and they are less than half the diameter of that monster

[rancid cove]

They do spam those as well
Just not the average soldier
The commissars on the other hand...

[swift adder]

Commissar gotta be the worst job ever

Everyone hates you

[vagrant fox]

It's fine

[urban spire]

only if you're a dickhead

[vagrant fox]

I do like how newer books have commissars be proper malicious assholes

[swift adder]

I’ve been looking for a new good guard story ever since I finished 15 hours

[rancid cove]

The way I interpret is most commissars are actually decent and that respected, but the very dogshit ones/perfect commissars just make more interesting characters
So most of commissars we see are just the exception of both sides of the coin

The job itself isn't hated but a lot of the commissars we know of are hated because theyre incompetent

[urban spire]

nah most commissars are dogshit

good ones are the exception

[storm jungle]

^

[urban spire]

political officers are dogshit officers, that's the point

[storm jungle]

We get good ones because authors are too afraid to make a Commissar main character an asshole

[storm jungle]

Also this, still remains true IRL

[swift adder]

Where’s my commisar story were they burn down orphanages and kill grandmas

[misty vector]

cain says that he actively wants to befriend his regiment so he doesnt end up shot through the back like other commissars lol

[storm jungle]

Nothing comes to my mind since most Imperial books just glaze

[vagrant fox]

Steel Tread, Fall of Cadia, Death Rider, Baneblade, Longshot. Take a look at one of these

[swift adder]

I’d kill for a imperial guard story where the main character goes postal

[urban spire]

gaunt's actually got a bunch of shitass commissars in it

[nocturne crest]

GW should give guard or gsc more construction vehicles.

[spare osprey]

Finna just write up a hype scene where two Commisars go down and some crazy motherfucker just dual wields their Bolt pistols for a lil' bit in the midst of a skirmish.

[misty vector]

would be cool to see some people try defecting

[swift adder]

Hype moment and aura moments are always funny too me

Mostly I imagine the most shonen manhwa scenario possible

[jade holly]

I was looking at a little clip of a cinematic that was Eldar vs Tau and I got jumpscared by Clancy Brown being in it

[vagrant fox]

I do like how the commissar in Final Deployment feels like a menace but the one in Death Rider commissars more

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats the kind of depiction authors are afraid of doing

Raine is prob the closest we got

where shes competent but also a cunt

[urban spire]

is that the darktide lady