40k-lore-chat

[opaque coyote]

Doomed to fail for eternity

It's very telling that TTS's version of Draigo is the most interesting the character has gotten

And it could be summarized as

"He's fucking insane"

[fervent geode]

Yeah lmao

Wtf does he even do

[opaque coyote]

Which tbf

Being trapped in the warp for a long ass time

Yeah he should be fucking insane

[fervent geode]

Yeah

[vagrant fox]

tts mention, death

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/vesuvius-baby-baby-ash-gif-2339947883921805569

[opaque coyote]

Tbf that's probably the point

He can do all these things but he can't really affect anything

...

But that was after future authors got a hold on his character and tried to patch up the mess.

His original purpose was definitely just "omg so cool"

They did the same with Cato Sicarus which is funny

"Shit how do we fix this?"

"Give him crippling PTSD."

"...what?"

"Suffering builds a character."

"You mean just character ri-"

"No."

[cerulean trellis]

like corviboi?

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

[cerulean trellis]

i mean corviboi turnet into a raven

[opaque coyote]

Yeah he should just basically be a screeching animal

Except still with a human shape

[rocky gale]

Please

Path of the Archon

Please

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jf2b8zlc/vote-for-your-next-black-library-readers-choice-reprints/

[vagrant fox]

you insult our local author

[rocky gale]

Oh damn, didnt notice her work there

But Drukhari need this

[vagrant fox]

The endless greed of the drukhari sickens me

[rocky gale]

We're kinda homeless

[vagrant fox]

The endless greed cocaine addicts have

[cerulean trellis]

please you have a huge city in the webway

[rocky gale]

Just one more book I swear

[opaque coyote]

"PLEASE VECT I NEED THIS!"

[rocky gale]

Just need one more book

[vagrant fox]

I think I shan't vote, I want none of these

[opaque coyote]

"MY SLAVE IS KINDA HOMELESS!"

"I LIVE WITH MY VAT I WANNA HELP IT OUT"

"VECT I'M WATCHING YOUR STREAM WHY YOU TRYING NOT TO LAUGH BRUH THAT'S DISRESPECTFUL AS SHIT BRUH-"

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[opaque coyote]

Vect would totally do that face

[rocky gale]

Drukhari don't even ask for new models anymore, they just look at you like this

[opaque coyote]

But yeah Drukhari books are almost always fun

In general, if there is one thing I want GW to mKe

A short series that's basically a Drukhari family life

With the format of a wholesome family comedy

Like full house

You could even have gags like the "dog" changing every episode

Kinda like the Adams family basically

[rocky gale]

I wrote a short story like that for Drow thinking it was funny, a friend posted it to 4chan and I got accused of it being my barely disguised fetish

[humble shoal]

Sounds like a cegorach enjoyer

[tough haven]

That’s the mark of peak writing though

[opaque coyote]

Everybody knows that the best writing doesn't even disguise their fetish

[tough haven]

Yeah but if people think it’s your fetish

You’ve hit it

You’ve officially written at high quality

[opaque coyote]

I unironically had the idea of writing from the PoV of the Chaos Gods

Slaanesh in particular worries me because uj

Very easy to fuck up

Especially given the innately transgressive nature

I might share a rough draft here

[opaque coyote]

Cause gonna be honest here

Even though Slaanesh isn't just sex. It's impossible to separate Slaanesh from sexual themes.

Especially non-consensual types.

I thought of them saying stuff like a fucking creep

Like "With how the Eldar were dressed, they were just asking for me to come~"

[jade holly]

I mean don’t the Deldar do literally every atrocity they can think of to spite Slaanesh? Wait that jsut sounds counterintuitive

[opaque coyote]

It's like the equivalent of having a shark chase you

[limpid granite]

ragebaiting the shark

[opaque coyote]

But you dump as much food as possible to distract the shark while you swim just a bit farther

[jade holly]

Tbh I never liked the Drukhari

not aesthetic, not models, not gameplay

[vagrant fox]

lynch this bot

[storm jungle]

Its okay not all of us can have taste

[opaque coyote]

I like the Drukhari writing wise

Their designs/aesthetic is a mixed bag though. Some designs look great.

Some just look not good

[jade holly]

Deldar have always been an acquired taste army to me and I just never got that taste

[storm jungle]

Their interaction with Slaanesh doesnt go beyond just torturing people to sate the soulthrist, otherwise they couldnt give less of a shit.

[vagrant fox]

Incubi are one of the most top tier coolest looking mfers

[storm jungle]

I do love how every 40k fan is like "Incubi are cool"

which isnt wrong lmao

but its pretty funny

[vagrant fox]

It is a universal truth

[opaque coyote]

Like Slaanesh, Deldar have either the most peak designs or some of the most ugly

No in-between

[jade holly]

I love the Incubi

[opaque coyote]

@jade holly I think you might have a favorite color

[vagrant fox]

I don't know what this is but his pistol looks silly

[opaque coyote]

Idk I think it might be blue

[jade holly]

Androxus from Paladins

[vagrant fox]

-2

[jade holly]

I saw the Incubi on the app one day and immediately thought their helmets looked like Androxus lmao

[opaque coyote]

What surprises me the most is that the game still has players somehow

[jade holly]

Dedicated following cause Hirez seldom fully shuts down servers outside of a few more smaller games

Rip Smite Tactics

[storm jungle]

Garbage.

dont post this again or you're banned

[rocky gale]

I had an idea for a novella that's proven hard to put into paper. You know the way that in a good story the climax is built towards, with each chapter constructing the narrative. The idea would be to basically take just the climax of the story and tell it through a series of monologues, with each chapter being a different character's perspective. So by the end of it you will have felt the entire adventure unfolding solely from it's conclusion.

[jade holly]

It’s purple

No I’m not lying

[vagrant fox]

joe abercrombie ripoff

[rocky gale]

Who?

[vagrant fox]

No but he does some scenes like this and it's very cool

[opaque coyote]

So the equivalent of a story being told from character's flashbacks and multiple varied PoV's like WWZ?

[rocky gale]

No, solely in the moment

[vagrant fox]

You only don't know who he is because he's English

Excellent scene gimmick though, always top tier

[opaque coyote]

So no retelling or interview, just the conclusion

Hm

Yeah that definitely sounds difficult

[rocky gale]

Not the conclusion itself, the characters perspective of the conclusion

[opaque coyote]

Ah

Yeah that sounds extremely tough

Gl man

I am not a good enough writer to have advice on that

[ionic vessel]

is horus heresy done? all the stories concluded

[fervent geode]

Yes

But no

[vagrant fox]

it is until they randomly drop another novel

[fervent geode]

Until they run out of characters besides Calas Typhon

Then it dies

[tough haven]

Any of y’all read the stormlight archives?

Wonderful series

It’s very long

[vagrant fox]

yea

Pretty good

[tough haven]

But it lets them do some really solid character development

First book I’ve read in a while where I felt the emotions of the characters

And the worldbuilding is top tier

[ionic vessel]

where do i begin and how many books are there

[vagrant fox]

Really lost some momentum in Oathbringer and Rhythm of War and some of Wind and Truth but man what an ending

[fervent geode]

Ok

[tough haven]

I’m halfway through rhythm of war

[fervent geode]

First Five Books are a must

After that

Follow a legion or storyline you like

[storm jungle]

Theres like 60 books lol

[tough haven]

I actually liked oathbringer

[fervent geode]

Then cap it off with the siege

[storm jungle]

and most of them are shit

[tough haven]

It’s ending was peak asf

[vagrant fox]

go crazy

[fervent geode]

By the way if you want to read only good books

[vagrant fox]

I think it's missing some

[fervent geode]

Follow the WB or WS

You will eat good

[vagrant fox]

or world eaters, naturally

[fervent geode]

True!

[tough haven]

“What is the most important step a man can take?”
“The next one, always the next one”

[vagrant fox]

Brandon Sandon is mormon asf and he has his flaws in writing, for me anyways, but it's a very solid series

[tough haven]

I LOVE STORIES ABOUT SELF REDEMPTION!!!

https://tenor.com/view/meme-bob-esponja-gif-2904459546447199840

[tough haven]

Of course

[ionic vessel]

should i read all of them

[tough haven]

But damn is some of his books good eating

[tough haven]

Not if you value your sanity

[ionic vessel]

i will read all of them

[tough haven]

They barely connect to one another

And are wildly inconsistent

Someone get that Twitter post from the guy that read all of them

[vagrant fox]

I would advice you not to, unless you really get the itch for it

[tough haven]

And concluded it sucks ass

[ionic vessel]

first i’m gonna read consistent ones

[ionic vessel]

so these people exist

[tough haven]

Trust me, 40K is generally better outside of the few 30k books that matter (3-5)

[tough haven]

And they universally tell you to stay away from it

[vagrant fox]

Some of the HH books are pretty good

[tough haven]

Yeah like a handful

[vagrant fox]

GW is releasing a big collection sometime that has like the 13 most important ones

[ionic vessel]

i’m gonna read good books

[tough haven]

That’s what they all say at the beginning

Then we lose another soul to the Slop Heresy

[ionic vessel]

this is huge but still manageable. gimme the list anyway

[storm jungle]

Are you insane, no lmao

[tough haven]

I can break down the entire series into like one paragraph of the content that matters

They also get very stale

Oh boy, my 900th marine vs marine fight

I wonder what tactics they’ll use?

[vagrant fox]

This is what GW says is essential

[storm jungle]

^

[vagrant fox]

I didn't read like a third of these so I don't know how essential they are but go ham

[ionic vessel]

where is the conclusion book

[opaque coyote]

Literally only 20% of the books btw

[fervent geode]

Like 12% lmfao

[ionic vessel]

what

[opaque coyote]

I LOVE HORUS SLOPHERESY

[fervent geode]

Basically follow the GW list

[vagrant fox]

That's in Siege with The End and The Death 1-2-3

[fervent geode]

PEAK SLOPPIN

[fervent geode]

But add Aurelian

[storm jungle]

Which is 10 books so lmaoooo

[fervent geode]

Ive just counted

Somehow yes

If you include the novellas its like

15

[vagrant fox]

Man I just skipped to TEATD and read excerpts of the rest. Don't know if I can really recommend they if you wanna know it all but it works

[fervent geode]

Kill me

[storm jungle]

I love how much people get mad when you say you shouldnt do this btw

people that insist you gotta read most of Siege are fucking idiots

[fervent geode]

I have a bad habit of flipping pages when things get boring

[storm jungle]

"YOU'LL MISS ALL THE COOL CHARACTERS"

Yeah like generic space marine no.2904095

[vagrant fox]

eh

[fervent geode]

Tbh i was there for Zardu and Erebus

[storm jungle]

I only do it when a combat sequence drags.

[vagrant fox]

I went back later and read Warhawk, it was fine. Didn't need it at all

[fervent geode]

Wow same lmao

[opaque coyote]

People who suggest that you have to read most of the Siege are people who just want to force others to suffer

Genuinely

[fervent geode]

Bolterporn never changes

[storm jungle]

Brainwashed

[fervent geode]

Emperor's Children agents

Drukhari spies

[opaque coyote]

Not even agents or spies

Just outright torturers

[fervent geode]

Slaanesh will be born way earlier atp

[opaque coyote]

It's like suggesting somebody to watch One Piece

But you can't skip any filler

The filler arcs? You can't skip

[vagrant fox]

I appreciate the cool things that came out of the HH being all, bookified, but so much of me wishes it was kept as a foundational myth where it could just all be lies

[fervent geode]

Maybe

[opaque coyote]

I mean tbf it could be, but it also wouldn't make sense if it was all lies given the fact that the Emperor still is dead and the primarchs existed even at the beginning (of the story not timeframe wise)

[vagrant fox]

A good bit of it is me getting into 40k around 4th ed and my imagination running completely buckwild with the setting

now it's all explained and the past is just the present

[opaque coyote]

I do think that some parts should have been left more ambiguous though

Like who turned traitor

It should've been left ambiguous on which Primarch (besides Horus) turned traitor

The details lost to time

[fervent geode]

But the traitor legions had been decided beforehand tbf

[vagrant fox]

i'm exaggerating a little for effect dw

[fervent geode]

There wasnt much of a chance for em

[opaque coyote]

True but it should've been left ambiguous on who lead who

[fervent geode]

Oh i see that

[storm jungle]

Ambigious?

Lmao sorry pal

the Imperials are heroes

Chaos is bad

end of story

[vagrant fox]

true

More orphan grinders for the good guys

[fervent geode]

Reported for libel

[storm jungle]

Im not even joking btw all HH does is just Imperium glaze lol

the writers of the Siege want this to be their Helms Deep SO bad

[opaque coyote]

Some of the stories try to paint a more ambiguous picture.

Like the entirety of the Interex. But they just had to make it so that Erebus ruined it

Instead of

A natural logical progression of the Imperium generally being

[storm jungle]

Yeah and they get drowned out

[opaque coyote]

The Imperium

[vagrant fox]

The noble and heroic Imperium thwarted by Erebus once again

He's so cool

[storm jungle]

I love people who are like

[fervent geode]

Ehh i like TFH and Betrayer for not this

[storm jungle]

"NUUU ERESUS KILLED MY BOY LOKEN"

Yeah the Loken who was serving a genocidal empire

fuck him lol

[fervent geode]

Erebus was the based warrior

[vagrant fox]

no cap for real I didn't really care about the snoozival when I read about them the first time and I still don't

[fervent geode]

Not like the Imperium was gonna forgive the SoH anyway

[opaque coyote]

In general Erebus annoys me because he does actions that I think are kinda unnecessary since the Imperium would've already fucked it up

[jade holly]

I still find the funniest thing about the Horus Heresy being the IW just fucking off mid war

[opaque coyote]

Also the future vision

[fervent geode]

He literally saved Loken from watching Abaddon, Hellas and Azelas getting murdered after surrendering

[opaque coyote]

The future vision generally fucks up things further since it means that the Imperium has a slight

Slight

Justification that it could've ended up well

[fervent geode]

How nice of erebus

[fervent geode]

We did that first smh

[vagrant fox]

Erebus is a generous man

[fervent geode]

We never even went to their shitty siege

[jade holly]

Yeah but we were pettier about it by doing the Iron Cage

[storm jungle]

You are suppose to care about them because "they are so nice good guys"

[opaque coyote]

Like what evil actions the Imperium should have done, Erebus does.

And that just annoys the shit out of me

[jade holly]

The Iron Cage happened purely out of love of the game

[opaque coyote]

It isn't his existence or character that's bad.

It's his purpose

[fervent geode]

He's based like that sadly

The poor imperium cant compete

[opaque coyote]

Do I mind there being a saboteur that was manipulating the primarchs towards Chaos?

No.

Do I mind that he literally does every evil action?

Yes

Because there's dumbasses that argue that the Interex would've been spared if Erebus hadn't fucked it up

Like

No??

Or that the Emperor was well meaning because he had future vision and clearly saw the Imperium being prosperous

Like shut the FUCK UP

It genuinely annoys the shit out of me

I feel like Dilara

[humble shoal]

Emps probably would have had an issue with commorogh

[opaque coyote]

[humble shoal]

If his webway project got finished

[vagrant fox]

remember when they acted like frat boys and they were all nice so it means the imperium was good

[fervent geode]

Tbh the Emperor does fucked shit without erebus

[vagrant fox]

snooze

[storm jungle]

No joke this is literally why they are written that way lol

[fervent geode]

Remember the Diasporex

Or the Auretians

But i agree

[vagrant fox]

Ten million more stories about Sanguinius genociding a wholeass planet

[storm jungle]

Being a self-aware 40k fan is the worst thing that can happen to you tbh, and i reached this stage after like 12 years lmao

[humble shoal]

Day in the life of brexit geezers

[fervent geode]

Shouldve let horus fuck the interex

[opaque coyote]

Probably but the Imperium could crush Commoragh if they consolidated their forces even in 40k.

It's just that they can't because they're pulled in several directions.

If everyone was moved to the webway, Commoragh would've been raised to the ground

[storm jungle]

This is also how i felt about people going "OMG I CRIED WHEN HE MADE THE SPEECH" in Echeos of Eternity

Like... why do I care if the Imperials survive lol, all of the mare genocidal nazis. Am I suppose to cry because super-hitlerperor had his plans of galactic domination ruined?

"Oh well its because Chaos is horrible"

Shut up imperizionist

[humble shoal]

Haemonculi start throwing suns

[limpid granite]

phew

[jade holly]

This is why I’m team Necron’s first and foremost, we’re evil because we know we’re the best

[humble shoal]

This galaxy was promised to me 30000 years ago.

[jade holly]

We can destroy stars with the push of a button and we hold multi decade long plays

[storm jungle]

The nihilakh dynasty is 2 CYCLES AWAY from building a nuketeph device

[opaque coyote]

It's Super Hitler vs the Satanic Power Rangers

Who will win?

[fervent geode]

He made that speech asking INNOCENTS to DIE for a TYRANT, while ZARDU was preaching to the masses about the INJUSTICES of the TYRANNICAL IMPERIUM

[jade holly]

500 Sun nukes for the Szarekhan

[storm jungle]

LET ZARDU SPEAK TO THE PEOPLE

[fervent geode]

I mean i know zardu was dead but

Still

[storm jungle]

🗣️

[opaque coyote]

But yeah I always liked Imperium vs Chaos because it's basically

'Bad vs Worse"

Not because of genuine heroism against an oppressive force

[jade holly]

Give me a story where it’s a tense match of a chess like game between Szarekh and Imotekh as they argue their point of views on what the fate of the Necrons should be

[opaque coyote]

Because both are the oppressive force

[humble shoal]

Bad vs bad but also horny stinky and mad

[vagrant fox]

it's because sanguinius is based nothing to do with the imperium

[opaque coyote]

They're just deciding which one will ruin the galaxy first

[fervent geode]

Indeed

I like evil on evil

[vagrant fox]

At least we got Kharn and Argel Tals bromance

[fervent geode]

But my evil is more honest

[humble shoal]

Sangwhinius

[fervent geode]

Well

[opaque coyote]

Argel Tal is one of my favorite characters

[fervent geode]

Kinda

[fervent geode]

True

[opaque coyote]

Murderous SM with his funky Daemon guy

Idk why I like it but I do

[fervent geode]

He's a regretful mopey whiny bitch but i like him

[storm jungle]

I think my enjoyment of Imperial books vanished once i realised literally nothing they do matters because any populace any Imperial faction "liberates" in novels where they are posed as good guys is just gonna go straight back to slavery and institutions like the Imperial Guard are basically whitewashed glorified Wehrmacht lol

[opaque coyote]

Which is why that's probably the only time I actually cared about Erebus's actions

[fervent geode]

Erebus did it so Khârn could reach peak potential🔥 , do not slander the First Chaplain🙏

[storm jungle]

It isnt like AOS/WHF where the actions good people do actually matter and the populaces they save actually stay saved and somewhat free.

[humble shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531

[opaque coyote]

It also helps that Raum was like

"DUDE we HAVE TO GET OUT OF HERE NOW."

[vagrant fox]

I really do like that one scene where Argel Tal talks smack about Angron and Kharn is like yeah

[fervent geode]

Raum telling him was honestly a good sign of what was to come

[opaque coyote]

Like it's left ambiguous how much Raum actually cared for Argel Tal

[fervent geode]

He's a broken piece of shit.

Yeah i know, but hes dad

[opaque coyote]

But I genuinely think that specific Daemon had a heart

Although it could just be wishful thinking and me just like a bromance

[fervent geode]

I think Raum genuinely did somewhat bother for him

[vagrant fox]

I get that but I do like the bleakness and hopelessness of it, it's bad bad bad all the way down. Not that it's always presented as such

[fervent geode]

Daemons can

[opaque coyote]

That did genuinely make me feel sad cause I know people who have the same relationships with their parents.

Where you can clearly see that they're a piece of shit but they say

"Yeah but I have to take care of him. He's my dad."

[fervent geode]

One of the saddest parts for me was the WE Librarius trying to save him, iirc he fucking hated them, but they wouldn't let that happen to their father

That really epitomises what you said

[storm jungle]

No no, im not saying I dont like the bleakness. Its the EXACT opposite, the authors always portray the Imperium liberation as a good thing and they NEVER follow up on what happens to the people they do afterwards

[opaque coyote]

Because every kid wants to love their parents

[storm jungle]

My issue is it being portrayed as "heroic"

[opaque coyote]

But not every parent loves their kid

[fervent geode]

That's basically the WE

[opaque coyote]

Tbf it could be seen as just their unreliable PoV.

But that's probably not the case.

[vagrant fox]

Oh like so, yes I agree with that. I found the Death Rider ending really satisfying in that regard

[opaque coyote]

At least author wise

[storm jungle]

It isnt, we literally get this exact shit when its 3rd person too

[opaque coyote]

It's likely just laziness

[outer wave]

They should have a trilogy of books where the Imperium saves some people, only for those same people to be under their oppressive rule again, only to be saved by another branch of the Imperium, only to be placed under their boot again, only to...

[fervent geode]

Yeah that is an issue tbh

[storm jungle]

Gonna get started on that tomorrow

[fervent geode]

They dont show the shit that happens after

The purges

[storm jungle]

Wait a minute, MIDDLE-EAST IS THAT YOU

https://klipy.com/gifs/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-funny

[opaque coyote]

Yeah...

This is a case where I ignore reality and substitute it with my own because that is complete dogshit

[vagrant fox]

It's sad but true Steve Lyons did a really good thing about this in his short story Left For Dead where the civilians after a war just continue to suffer

[opaque coyote]

Armageddon is just the Imperium's version of Afghanistan

[vagrant fox]

not the game

[opaque coyote]

[vagrant fox]

Forced into work crews and given rations and then they get forcibly conscripted it's so cool

[opaque coyote]

Classic Imperium moment

[vagrant fox]

It's the one Lyons story that really sticks with me, besides Dead Men Walking

[opaque coyote]

Tbf for a couple of planets it's...

Still an improvement.

Nuceria would've had a upgrade in quality of life from that

Yes even under the classic Imperium rules

It probably would've been better than the fucking High Riders

Barely

Again, I use this comparison a lot

But it's like comparing which type of cancer is the least worst

It's still cancer

Cancer is bad

Replace it with rule

[vagrant fox]

Can't have been that bad on Nuceria if only the poor idiot slaves rebelled it was fine surely

The Imperium should be depicted in a much more evil manner I think we can agree on this

[fervent geode]

Defo

And it is

But somehow we rarely see that

Btw Apostle plug because there we see some of that

[outer wave]

We need more rebellion stories against the Imperium yes

[vagrant fox]

It's really cool in Apostle

[outer wave]

With the Imperium being shown as awfully as possible

[vagrant fox]

Weirdass hunchback creature losing all his hair in his 20s from malnutrition

[fervent geode]

The Cardinal being too fucking scared of the Sororitas destroying everything was a good one

[vagrant fox]

I really liked the sororitas in that one

[fervent geode]

No rent? No live.

[opaque coyote]

It is in short stories and some book series

But not the general marketing

[fervent geode]

Yeah, id like more

[vagrant fox]

Man these spires make it hard to defend ||so we blow them the fuck up with friendly soldiers in it||

based

[fervent geode]

Palatine there.... are sooo many soldiers and arbites there

[celest cedar]

time is a flat circle

Iraq now Iran

[fervent geode]

nah just blow it up, their fault the heretics got there

[vagrant fox]

Perfect logic

[fervent geode]

I like the little rant about hating books and knowledge

And that everyone should be blissfully ignorant and dogmatic lmao

[vagrant fox]

Next to this conflagration, Cerastes’ challenge became insignificant. He was the crisis of a moment, a cancer that Legitur’s culture had made inevitable. The fall would have come sooner or later. If Cerastes had not arrived, some other vector of the disease of heresy would have. Aesura would leave Legitur cleansed. It would no longer be prey to the rot of sophistry. She would scour the planet, stripping away the confusion of learning until only the sanctified bedrock of ignorance remained, the foundation upon which imperishable faith would rise once more.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/780813526566436904/1480983626777890916/bitsy-legends-of-avantris.gif

close enough to my reaction when reading it

[fervent geode]

Peak and true🔥

[vagrant fox]

When it comes to the Imperium some authors use subtext, they are cowards

Make it so terribly and painfully obvious no one can miss it

[rocky gale]

So uhh I did a DNA ancestry test for Christmas and I just got the results

[vagrant fox]

Are your ancestors Irish

[jade holly]

If I did one it’d come back 100% HIMalayan

[rocky gale]

96% of my DNA comes from a 15 mile radius of where I live

[vagrant fox]

Sensible

[rocky gale]

Only 4% isn't Irish and it's from the Hebrides

[vagrant fox]

how unfortunate that we're related about 1200 years ago

[rocky gale]

The Isle of Lewis

[jade holly]

I want my own isle smh

[fervent geode]

Ready to raid england or smth now

[rocky gale]

I honestly expected to have a little bit of English blood to feel disgusted by, but none

[jade holly]

Need help waging war on the British?

[fervent geode]

I apparently might have Dutch, so I can relate to your expectation

[vagrant fox]

I have a small chance of French so I can feel the shame for three people

[fervent geode]

Fr* nch

[rocky gale]

I'm so fuckign inbred

[vagrant fox]

don't know if the french tale is true though

[vagrant fox]

It's the fate of all atlantic dwellers on the eastern side

I traced all of my ancestry to a 113 by 76 km box for the last many hundreds of years

possibly french sailors aside

[fervent geode]

Alas Ireland

[fervent geode]

Most of my ancestry was either in Fujian or the island nearby, possibly some indigenous blood, the dutch thing is something i need to test for one day

Also might be distantly related to some long dead vietnamese dynasty if grandpa is a valid source

[wary fulcrum]

My brain is too cooked anti corpo coded to trust those DNA things

I imagine I might be important one day

Fantasise*, not imagine

Sorry, wrong word there

[spring cairn]

@arctic talon

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1231286447131328544/1480993166051246222/xwgbog879xod1.png?ex=69b1b1de&is=69b0605e&hm=0def0e3dfaf874414ffa491fc9740259266dbfad9620800d7dfe52814b1cd7c3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=684&height=652

[arctic talon]

Lmao

[spring cairn]

took me a sec to recognize who it was about

[arctic talon]

It’s easy with the 5 thing tbh

And dizzy’s hair

[crystal forum]

@arctic talon i stole all your infected btw

[arctic talon]

I’m maxed on black nanopods anyways lol

I’m waiting to level up for maulers

[crystal forum]

ye that's why i did it

the event maxed out everybody's black nanos

also did you hear that next boss strike is coming this month

[arctic talon]

Yes

I don’t have maxed Wimps yet

I will hit 42 tho so MG turrets

[crystal forum]

you will suffer

[arctic talon]

I will suffer

[crystal forum]

saving this

[arctic talon]

At least I’ll be in the 41-45 bracket

💀

[crystal forum]

i almost was level 55 during the infected event smh

[celest dome]

Are you trying to build some blackmail material ?

[crystal forum]

missed out on infecting snow troopers

the best infection candidate

[crystal forum]

no i will just post this whenever somebody asks who larmoth is

[arctic talon]

Budget veterans my beloved

I wish most low level troops didn’t literally fall off a cliff mid to late game

Even with all promotions lol

[crystal forum]

ye it sucks

im still trying to get vet to r6

i might have to lock in

[arctic talon]

Snow troopers literally a shock trooper with cold weather gear but their gun is on meth lol

[arctic talon]

Bigfoot country calls

💀

[crystal forum]

billions of spiderwasps must die

[vagrant fox]

Trying to piece together just what you are talking about from this esoteric gibberish

[arctic talon]

They deserve it for colonizing Bigfoot country

[arctic talon]

Old ass mobile game that got revived

lol

[rocky gale]

It must be true, no one can trace 96% of their ancestry to a 15 mile radius without a considerable amount of inbreeding

[vagrant fox]

Unfortunately it is true

[crystal forum]

irish people keeping the bloodline strong (blood alcohol level)

[vagrant fox]

It's a dark day, Djoseras is a good necron

so far the only one

[jade holly]

Would Tau and a Votann League ally to fight Tyranids?

[misty vector]

I could see that happen, theyre both more of the reasonable xenos

[jade holly]

Plus Kaiju battles

[arctic talon]

Yes

[jade holly]

And the Kin aren’t like the Admech where they will make whole new tech and improve on old stuff to better combat something right?

[arctic talon]

They do make new tech but they have super long implementation time and testing

Slow and steady wins the race

If the Votaan makes something weird tho

Mass produce that shit

lol

[jade holly]

Just wondering the full lore accurateness of Votann Kin modifying Industrial Walkers into combat mechs for larger Tyranids

[misty vector]

hope the votann get another book soon

[arctic talon]

Probably not

[jade holly]

I used to think the Votann armor looked weird

But it’s been growing on me

[arctic talon]

The LoV tend to prefer

Massive guns

[jade holly]

You think they’d see a Broadside Battlesuit railgun and reverse engineer it to make something better?

[arctic talon]

No

They’ve got their own railgun tech the tau sold them and then they evolved

No point in copying the broadside when they mount it on vehicles/emplacements

They’d glue a magna rail onto a broadside tho

They’re freaks about resource conservation

[opaque coyote]

So basically

Probably not inventing anything groundbreaking and/or new for their race: Necrons, Eldar.

Inventing is mostly stopped but it isn't completely frozen: Imperium

Inventing at a normal pace: T'au, Votann.

Rapidly and extremely adaptable: Orks, Tyranids.

"Shove daemons into it": Chaos

As a side note, does Vashtorr ever actually invent anything himself

Or any groundbreaking tech

[arctic talon]

Yes

But it’s all daemonic

So debate on if that counts or not

But I’d say using a daemon fused to the helm being tortured as a beacon works great

[cerulean trellis]

i'd argue the T'au develop at a very rapid pace atm

[opaque coyote]

As long as it's unique and like

Has a name?

Or at least just looks unique compared to like

Idk an Imperium bolter

[opaque coyote]

True, but they aren't "Literally mashing teleporters together out of scrap" or "Harvesting DNA to create deadlier creatures on the fly"

Levels

Orks are kinda weird in that their technology level depends entirely on their area

If they're in a feral world, they're gonna be stuck with stick and stones

If they're invading a hive world, they'll have the gear we expect

[cerulean trellis]

well technically the orks are not really inventing that mcuh new stuff, they are redescovering, liek humanity

[opaque coyote]

True but we also have no full idea on what they were like

At least for DAoT we have some vague idea

[cerulean trellis]

we have a decent idea though

[opaque coyote]

Big, with power armor

[cerulean trellis]

just imagine orks with the intelligence of bellisarius cawl

[opaque coyote]

Could fight Necrons and Eldar at the height of their power

[cerulean trellis]

and power armor that makes space marine armor look liek toys

well yeah

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I suppose it is rediscovering

[cerulean trellis]

funniest thign abotu that is that technically speaking the Gorks and Eldar both fought at the side of/for the old ones xD

[opaque coyote]

Although I wonder if all of their designs are like from their genetics or if they make something similar to it

Like the Gargants are supposedly inspired by Imperial Titans

[cerulean trellis]

yes

iirc a Gork would be comparabel to an imperial knight

14 feet or somethign alon the lines?

[arctic talon]

We dunno how large the average Krork was

We know how large 1 krork was

Which is the one on display

[opaque coyote]

Citation : 2007 Ork Codex, Page 17

Out of the gloom it came, a giant machine, vast and deadly. Ushbek stared up at the eighty-foot monster in awe. Dragnatz threw himself on the ground and aimed his shoota, sending a hail of shells sparking off the giant's leg. With a creak of metal it passed over the foxhole. The Earth shook as it thundered past.

The rest of the Boyz fled across the churned earth of the battlefield. The Hunched metal giant stooped over them. There was a high pitched whine followed by a tremendous roar as plasma erupted from its fist. Ushbek watched as s it transformed the remaining Evil Sunz into steam.

"Oi Mekboy, wot is dat zoggin' thing?" asked Dragnatz, sending another useless burst of fire after it.

"Dunno, Boss, but its ded killy." replied Ushbek, inspiration flared though him. He had a vision; if the humans could build their god a metal body, then maybe he could build the Ork gods metal bodies too. In his mind's eye he could picture his creations. Huge, angry, violent, loadsa guns. Very shooty, very shooty indeed. And he'd make them bigger than anything the humans could make. It was such a great idea, he wondered why he'd never had it before.

Though he didn't know it yet, Ushbek was going to change the history of the galaxy. The Waaagh! was on its way.

We don't know whether this is just that Mekboy gaining inspiration

[cerulean trellis]

mah bad

[opaque coyote]

Or it's just him recalling a very old design that the Orks haven't used yet

But it seems that Imperial Titans at least inspired (or reignited) Gargants

[cerulean trellis]

i do know how they came to build the gargants

[opaque coyote]

Although I'm not sure if Gargants existed pre-Imperium

[cerulean trellis]

no clue

doesn't matter that much

i doutb they had primaris marines pre imperium in the daot

[opaque coyote]

So would Gargants count as an invention then?

[cerulean trellis]

i guess yeah

[opaque coyote]

I would say yeah

I don't know exactly how genetic memory works.

If they remember exact blueprints or if they just

[cerulean trellis]

i just said that i woudl not place the orks at rapidly developing ^^ they have been at the same state of tech for the past 10.000 years liek humanity

[opaque coyote]

Make something equivalent to whatever is in their head

Each Shoota is different after all

[cerulean trellis]

the biggest problem with the orks is: they think it works: it works

barrel here, bullets here, clicky thing, dakka

[opaque coyote]

Yeah the biggest problem is that it literally depends on their opponent and we have no idea what the limit is

So I just put it under like

The equivalent of "???"

[cerulean trellis]

it depends on how many orks there are

more orks, more brain

more brain, more tech

[opaque coyote]

Both Orks and the surrounding technology

There's Orks stuck on feudal worlds and despite probably having enough to make guns.

They still use swords

[cerulean trellis]

why do orks then not have weapons liek the eldar?

there have been enough instances were orks were fighting only eldar

or necrons

or tau

if we follow the argument that surrounding technology changes ork technology that are things that shoudl have happend, or am i wrong with my train of thought here?

[rocky gale]

Probably too complex and not enough understanding of how they work

Also they probably think Eldar weapons are boring

[wary fulcrum]

isnt the issue that, given a long enough timeline, they would surpass the imperium

But they keep killing each other before any of them can reach that stage

[cerulean trellis]

i see np issue here, just facts

[opaque coyote]

They sort of do?

Shokk weapons are basically Vortex weapons. Sending snotlings through the warp and out of it.

Lifta-Droppas which are basically unstable versions of the tool gun using the drag tool. Lifting enemy vehicles up, dragging them through the air, and dropping them from a high height. Used for special targets like tanks and dreadnoughts.

And much much more

Like this fucking thing called the Magna-Kannon

You see, how it (apparently) works is by using that huge ass Magnet to grab enemy aircraft using its magnetic field

And then crashing into whatever direction the crew desires by turning the magnet

[storm jungle]

Because they have devolved

they are bioweapons

[opaque coyote]

Tbf this is old 1st edition type shit

But also it was never decanonized so

Although it basically works the same as the Lifta-Droppa functionality wise

[cerulean trellis]

that is true

[opaque coyote]

This is just funnier

[cerulean trellis]

ahhh that explains why i never heard of that

[storm jungle]

its basically the entire answer but yeah

the eldar post-war in heaven also kept annihilating orks

so it was like cutting grass

[cerulean trellis]

i knwo that ^^ i was basically asking it to counter the statement: the surrounding technology dictates the orcs lvl of technology

[storm jungle]

They just devolved really, thats it

they couldnt have proper fights because Eldar kept hunting them down with more advanced technology

[cerulean trellis]

i know that

[storm jungle]

Yes

its like how bow and arrow fighting disappears when your opposition has guns

[cerulean trellis]

true

thing is if we would use the argument that the surrounding technology dictates the lvl of technolgy orcs use

which we know that this is not the case

but if we assume that would be a fact, orcs that have been fighting eldar for a while would use bastaradised eldar technology weapons

which we know they do not

[storm jungle]

🤷‍♀️

[young pecan]

Kevlar doesn't protect against arrows, there's that minor advantage

Gl against ceramic though lmao

[storm jungle]

Yeah and its user and still get shot by a bullet though so

[cerulean trellis]

not the point xD

[storm jungle]

Slop lore is slop lore, dont think so hard about it

[young pecan]

I don't even know what the point is, I just opened chat LMAO

[cerulean trellis]

i don't xD

not really though xd

[storm jungle]

You've been questioning this for a good bit now

[cerulean trellis]

true xD if the thought gets rolling i can't stop overthinking xD

[storm jungle]

its basically ancient history dont worry about it lol

[vagrant fox]

what'n tarnation is the point

[vagrant fox]

ork tech is nonsense wazzog bang shoot the dakka

[cerulean trellis]

[vagrant fox]

sometimes they're caveorks sometimes they teleport moons dw dw whatever's coolest

[young pecan]

something something paint a rock red and yell that it's a grenade and it'll blow up

am I right my chungoids

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1455788261934104626.webp?size=300&animated=true

[vagrant fox]

no perish

[nocturne crest]

So I got a fun question: If GW were to give a space marine chapter a female named space marine, what would be the funniest pick?

[young pecan]

Titus

Oh chapter specific

I still think it would be funny to see the reactions if Titus transitioned

But Black Templars would be such a good community cleanse if they made a female marine there

[cerulean trellis]

Black Templars, no question

[vagrant fox]

Just make Helbrecht transition

[heady rivet]

Currently inventing the worst haircut known to man. They're calling it the most chopped shit ever

[celest willow]

female space marines confirmed

the west has fallen

[young pecan]

I think they should keep the narrative of male only space marines

Not because I'm a chud but because it makes sense with how stupid the Emperor is

[celest willow]

at this point idc anymore🥀

[umbral orbit]

is big E that stupid

[young pecan]

Yes LOL

[umbral orbit]

like he's stupid but is he that stupid

ah i see

LOL

[celest willow]

yes.

literally everything this guy did was profoundly brain dead

bro was running on nothing but book smarts

(debatably)

[young pecan]

He's smart in some ways that don't often get talked about
But his stupid moments seriously betray him as a "bright, psykinetically active mind with 40,000 years of life"

How do you honestly believe that blowing up your son's planet will make him do anything but hate you

Or beaming your son away from his planet when it needs him most

[celest willow]

hmmm I think imma emotionally abuse my children and then put them second to command in my facist regime

[hollow lantern]

Can't write a character smarter than yourself and he's written by BL writers lol

[young pecan]

I think I shall employ extremely talented and wise minds specifically gene-crafted to be my chain of command

And then not consider what they have to say

[heady rivet]

It entirely depends on what kind of stupid. Fwiw he is losing his humanity as time goes on, so even by the beginning and end of the Great Crusade he's drastically different

[umbral orbit]

i havent read any 40k books yet but from what i've heard the emperor sounds like they tried to take leto atreides II from frank herbert's dune chronicles and then got rid of everything that makes leto II perfect

[celest willow]

yes

[umbral orbit]

i keep forgetting that 40k is just an 80s-90s dune copy

[young pecan]

I think it's fine that Emps has flaws, it would be boring if he didn't

[umbral orbit]

:/

[young pecan]

But it's also so funny some of the decisions he makes sometimes

[wary fulcrum]

i actually think this is the only benevolent thing he ever did

[hollow lantern]

Lemme find something horrific for you

[wary fulcrum]

he let them die as free men and women rather than enslaving them to the imperium again

[opaque coyote]

Black Templars because it'd be funny.

But also I think Blood Angels would fit best. Just thematically.

Angels often are leaning towards the feminine side in Renaissance depictions. And female vampires are also a thing

[hollow lantern]

Enjoy this

[young pecan]

Ironic that people in real life would be substantially more bothered about femarines than people in the setting

[umbral orbit]

they jus throwing shit together and calling it an original setting 😭

[celest willow]

blood angels shouldn't have woman we just gotta invest in the Sanguinius femboy twink energy

[young pecan]

"I thought they were all guys?"
""

[opaque coyote]

Bro basically lost his empathy.

[wary fulcrum]

this is a fantastic way of showing exactly what Inquisitors are

Incredible good invetigative space wizards

[heady rivet]

Its worth noting two things here. Angron was the first Primarch to straight up refuse him, no ifs or buts. And this is late Crusade Emperor, who is NOT the same Emperor that was having drinking and smithing contests to win his sons over. He's showing up to the later-found Primarchs and doesnt give a fuck about them besides getting them into their legions

[young pecan]

Was that his reasoning, or is that just the silver lining?

[umbral orbit]

why didnt the emperor just make a feminine compatible geneseed

[celest willow]

yk the problem with war hammer lore is that we are trying to rationalize the insane brain dead screeching of multiple writers for a franchise that just wants to sell over priced models

but that is just a theory

what do i know

[cerulean trellis]

because he is the basis of it xD

or maybe he gay

[opaque coyote]

Fair point.

But yeah, Angels and (modern) Vampires often lean towards being young, pretty, and feminine. With Vampires often having long hair as a result. So I think Blood Angels would be the most interesting thematically.

...black Templars would be really funny though

[celest willow]

pretty sure it is cannon emps is bi😭

[wary fulcrum]

we don't know, there's no reason given.

But this is the only good thing to come from it.

For both them and the Emperor, because if they were still alive and Angron wasn't mad with grief, you can guarantee Angron would have tried to kill the Emperor.

Betrayer's Virtuous Man speech more or less sums it up

[young pecan]

That's true. I can't really call myself that educated on the Emperor but hearing secondhand about his lows makes me sigh

[celest willow]

he was alexander the great

[opaque coyote]

"Only men shall receive my seed."

• Emperor of Mankind Circa 31st Millennium

[umbral orbit]

the emperor of mankind is a bisexual turkish man

💪🏽

[heady rivet]

1. Didnt want the Astartes making babies. They were not supposed to stick around. They would have been purged when he was done with them

2. He, and this is true, thought that daughters would cause more drama

[umbral orbit]

he wouldve been an amazing girldad

[storm jungle]

Literally no reason.

[opaque coyote]

Have you seen his relationship with Malcador

[celest willow]

why didnt the emperor shape shift into a golden muscle mommy before dying is he stupid?

[storm jungle]

the breeding thing is braindead as an excuse because marines would already be infertile

lol

[umbral orbit]

yeah this is genuinely just dune

[opaque coyote]

He is definitely bi

[umbral orbit]

40k is just dune if it was written by a millienial

[opaque coyote]

At least

[young pecan]

doesn't want to be portrayed as the icon of religion
portrays himself as a shining angel with a halo that radiates yellow and has elaborate trims and wings on his armor

IDIOT

[opaque coyote]

I wouldn't be surprised if he legitimately just wasn't romantically attracted to women

[celest willow]

also couldnt the chaos marines just like figure out a way to become fertile or smthing

[hollow lantern]

The reason is 40k was written in the late 80s by a bunch of nerds

Women scared them

[nocturne crest]

NGL, part of me thinks it would be funny if it was the Black Templars or the Iron Hands.

[storm jungle]

Meanwhile the chad Sigmar

Looks like a god
Accepts hes a god
Rallies everyone to go krump Chaos

[heady rivet]

I think the Emperor is above sexual desire tbh, but the only two things he ever mourned were his horse and Malcador

[storm jungle]

Bile already produces them like crazy so yeah it doesnt matter

[vagrant fox]

false god

[young pecan]

Fah sigmah

[storm jungle]

True god*

[wary fulcrum]

they kind of explored this in Necromunda

Goliaths are meant to be infertile, but they're not.

I wonder if it's a Jurassic Park nod, where nature, uhhhhh, finds a way

[celest willow]

idk about the fantasy lore is sigmar meant to be a good guy there

[storm jungle]

Tbh thats Goliath, they arent perfect gene-science

[storm jungle]

Yes lol

[celest willow]

or is it still the no good guys everyone evil thing

[umbral orbit]

you have to understand that 40k's biggest fan base are fat post-brexit reddit chvd geezers from essex

[storm jungle]

Sigmar is not an evil person

hes literally Conan with a warhammer

[heady rivet]

Now hang on, thats not all Goliath. Its a rarity among them still

[hollow lantern]

Fantasy has a lot of what people seem to want from 40k ngl

[celest willow]

peak

[opaque coyote]

Actually wait wait

Hold on listen here.

So Iron Warriors have experimented with trying to make new Geneseed. Daemonculba being an infamous example.

What if they were the first ones to introduce female SMs?

[wary fulcrum]

not quite sure he's rallied everyone, right now he has like, two dwarves and a nerd

everyone else is pretty pissed at him

[young pecan]

I unfortunately understand this every second that I'm interacting with WH media

[heady rivet]

Iron Warriors are too scared to talk to girls

[umbral orbit]

As Long As You Make The Space Nazis Look Cool, They Will Fork Over Their Security Deposits To GW

[opaque coyote]

So is every space marine except Space Wolves

[storm jungle]

Its still better than nothing considered he stopped humanity's and reality's extinction at his 2nd go

[opaque coyote]

And maybe Night Lords

[celest willow]

do yall think fantasy tzeench and 40k tzeench have access to each other

[storm jungle]

Fantasy + AOS tbh

[celest willow]

cause it would be on brand

[heady rivet]

Well they only do that before they become Space Wolves and then they're too afraid to talk to girls

[storm jungle]

the wonders your setting can be when space nazis dont exist

[opaque coyote]

Nah, the space Nazis are wonderful

Wish they were less important though

[storm jungle]

Shut up loser

[opaque coyote]

[celest willow]

genuinely pissed off with how they butchered the tau

[young pecan]

My favorite parts of 40k is when psyker inquisitor do cool psyker inquisitor stuff

[storm jungle]

Tau have always been subtly evil, they just pushed it to the forefront

[opaque coyote]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471195576952946698/1478297931382788157/IMG_9672.gif

[celest willow]

I liked when it was subtle yk they felt real

[wary fulcrum]

not really, it's enough of an issue that they were able to get their freedom. Natborn are pretty populous. Not as much as Vat or Unborn, but still fairly common.

The main issue is figuring out whether your paramour can procreate, or if y'all are just in it for the good times

[storm jungle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ricky-oh-head-mellow

[heady rivet]

Empire is in the name

[storm jungle]

🇨🇳

[umbral orbit]

wow, the herrenvolkist alien state with an oligarchial-dominated feudal caste is BAD??? 😨

[heady rivet]

The Peoples Republic of T'au

[celest willow]

I like your funny words magic man

[opaque coyote]

Genuinely had to search up what Herrenvolkist means.

Can Tau even vote in the first place?

[vagrant fox]

he just leaves for 2500 years and lets people suffer smh my head

[opaque coyote]

I don't think they vote

It's a caste system

[wary fulcrum]

that was Khorne, lets not besmirch the blood god here.

Sigmar turned up after Khorne cleared the others off the table and claimed victory. Sigmar is like America in every war since 1918

[celest willow]

prop not

[hollow lantern]

I wish I didn't just know what herrenvolk meant

[nocturne crest]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-a-fucking-genius-randy-marsh-south-park-e16e8-sarcastaball-gif-23119344

[celest willow]

ig small scale voting could be a thing

[umbral orbit]

herrenvolkism can be a broad term for "only a certain ethnic group can make the decisions" e.g. the t'au species

[celest willow]

like what the imperium does

[storm jungle]

Still did more than most tbh

Sigmar is the goat

[heady rivet]

The Ethereals are in charge because...they just are, okay? Go to the reeducation camp

[storm jungle]

if he didnt do what he did the realms would be overrun

[storm jungle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/xi-wazzup-beijng

[opaque coyote]

It would technically just be Etherals then. Since the castes have different races of Tau

[wary fulcrum]

also, based on the cloven hooves and horns, again, literally Khorne

[umbral orbit]

bleaaaaahugh whatever

[young pecan]

They accidentally cross one stream and out comes a chad-faced woman

[wary fulcrum]

can just imagine the panic attack the apothecary is having

[opaque coyote]

"Dude did you fuck up something in the genome sequence?"

"Uhh let me check"

XX chromosomes

"What the fuc-"

[dire loom]

Dilara has the best execution memes. Lol

[storm jungle]

I got like an entire collection lol

[wary fulcrum]

how will Perturabo lead them when he can't even talk to them

its like Viva la Dirt Leagues "you're a girl" sketch

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-shot-shot-shots-fired-balazo-disparo-gif-12156521

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I can imagine a gag where an IW experiment trying to make new Geneseed just

Accidentally made a Geneseed where it's only applicable to women instead of men

And they threw it away

[young pecan]

"Fuck, now we have to manufacture armor that has giant boob trims to drive up sales. Brother, go tell the astropath to ask the Sororitas for advice."

[opaque coyote]

They just say "ew"

[celest willow]

man I sure do love forgetting about my dystopian life so I can read about fictional dystopias 🥺

[opaque coyote]

throws woman only Geneseed into the warp

[opaque coyote]

Real

[celest willow]

cyberpunk 2077 is like a abusive boyfriend to me at this point

[umbral orbit]

if the space marines were only women, the imperium would've secured total domination across the universe by the 41st millienium just saying

thats what leto II did

[young pecan]

But they're too emotional 😢

[wary fulcrum]

just started my shinobi build

trying to remember how best to skullfuck Royce

[celest willow]

lowk wouldnt female space marines just be hard to differentiate from male space marines?

[young pecan]

I could see Emp's logic working as in like "Men are easier to manipulate with military-oriented propaganda"

[celest willow]

cause the hormones and stuff

[vagrant fox]

something keep the populations docile by only taking some of their children

it is time

[umbral orbit]

a nurturing, motherly but dominant force is EXACTLY what the destitute civilian populaces need to keep them down

🔥

[cerulean trellis]

yarp

[opaque coyote]

Eh we dunno.

Depends on when they're taken also

Also women have different bone structure innately

[wary fulcrum]

space magic though

[opaque coyote]

And SMs kinda just have their structure like

Strengthened and stretched

[storm jungle]

Nope.

[opaque coyote]

So it might be the same for women

[storm jungle]

That would never be allowed commercially

[umbral orbit]

female space marines would probably have no discernable features from male space marines

[storm jungle]

they'd just look like female wrestlers

[opaque coyote]

If it's ever applicable

[storm jungle]

idk why people think they'd ever look like men lol

[umbral orbit]

its not like they're gonna have fat tits on their armor lol

[celest willow]

ok but they recruit prepubescent humans

[opaque coyote]

I think it would also depend on the age they're taken logically and ignoring marketing

Like some chapters take teenagers

[wary fulcrum]

i can't see them looking like Liv Morgan like

[vagrant fox]

The trend says otherwise for imperials

[umbral orbit]

IGNORING the SoB

because sisters of battle are not genetically altered

[vagrant fox]

huge burgeoning honkas in skintight bodysuits

[celest willow]

prop cause of HRT on trans men lol

[wary fulcrum]

Ragnar Blackmane was canonically 30 years old

(he was 15 summers, which a codex update 10 years later explained a year of one summer one winter was 700 days)

[storm jungle]

Yeah IRL science doesnt apply to 40k lol

they'd literally just look like this

[umbral orbit]

this is cool

[celest willow]

Ik but I wana talk about semantics cause am a burned out nerd

[wary fulcrum]

is that not just an SM with a slightly different head?

[storm jungle]

🫡

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

Wow that looks...

Completely normal!

[storm jungle]

Yeah which is how it should be done lol

[storm jungle]

[celest willow]

need to start my femcel arc one way or another

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/hamburger-frieren-elf-anime-eating-gif-3698269199209320586

[vagrant fox]

and inquisitors I presume

[opaque coyote]

Sisters of Silence

[vagrant fox]

and sos

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/780818860344344649/1439235987560468520/Desktop_2025_11_10_23_34_43_01_V7.gif

[celest willow]

what do they even do bruh like other than collect psykers

[umbral orbit]

warhammer fan realizing that girls dont need to have skintight body suits or giant boobs to look like girls 😭

[opaque coyote]

No my fucking burger

[storm jungle]

Shut up

[heady rivet]

Guilliman straight up says they could just take youngish men like they did during the Great Crusade but being young is easier to indoctrinate and improves the odds of success. While the Great Crusade Imperium could afford to just do it till it worked, the 40k Chapters need it to have a higher success rate

[storm jungle]

Me when my entire setting is made by white guys

[wary fulcrum]

also not a mono-gendered faction

they can be, but they're not. In lore they're run by the ecelsiarchy, and in game their codex is full of male minis and profile

[opaque coyote]

Nuh uh

[umbral orbit]

curious...

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/bald-haircut-meme-smack-gif-17673522996508069582

[celest willow]

I was gonna write a parody incel reply but I felt like dying while doing so

[heady rivet]

Those male minis and profiles are non-Sister units under the Ecclesiarchy fwiw

[opaque coyote]

The sisters of Battle are part of the ecchesliarchy but they're kinda similar to like

How there's different regiment of guardsmen. It's just that one branch happens to be all females

[celest willow]

man I should rage bait some time

[storm jungle]

#general-chat is ripe and perfect for it

trust me lol

[heady rivet]

I got death threats there it was awesome

[storm jungle]

Say something and everyone will start arguing lmao

[wary fulcrum]

but they're in the SoB codex. Which means the codex, and the faction within it, are not mono gendered. They can be! By all means, but you have the choice for them not to be.

[heady rivet]

They had to ban the guy he did it for like 3 hours during a slow mode too

[celest willow]

damn I just noticed I wasnt even in general

[umbral orbit]

wait this is lore chat

DISGUSTING

[storm jungle]

Dummy

[umbral orbit]

im going to general to argue

[wary fulcrum]

they're not part of, they're beholden to. When a cannoness gets a bit too uppity for a priest's liking in Blood of Asaheim, he turns her into a Penitent Engine.

[heady rivet]

In a rulebook, yeah. But if I tried to raise men-at-arms and explained it as "The Codex" in-universe they'd burn me twice as hard

[celest willow]

this place exists for anything but war hammer lore

peak

[vagrant fox]

we hate warhammer all kinds except fantasy here

[wary fulcrum]

to be fair, if you tried to raise men at arms and started talking about minis and profiles in the codex, they'd probably do the same

[vagrant fox]

but we hate that name usurper sigmar most of all

[celest willow]

man this sigmar guy sounds kinda sigmar

[storm jungle]

The word sigma is based on sigmar

thats how cool he is

impale this charlatan Sigsen on a flag pole

[vagrant fox]

doesn't even make sense etymologically smh my head

[rocky gale]

He's my favourite Pokemon

[celest willow]

sigmar does not care cause sigmar is peak

[wary fulcrum]

are you not Sig's Sen?

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/fact-checked-true-cowpoke-pooner-qianlong-gif-3827914201118197286

[vagrant fox]

part of sigmar which is sig which in german was sieg and you know who else said sieg a lot

that's right nazis

[heady rivet]

My son crump who has every disease

[rocky gale]

Krump?

https://klipy.com/gifs/orks-waaaagh

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer-40k-wh40k-40k-orcs-gif-17741364317480534329

LETS FUCKING WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

[umbral orbit]

if u go into a wargame with male minis in a female faction, all the chuds will probably skin you

[heady rivet]

If I see a male Escher I'm leaping over the table

[vagrant fox]

I don't think most people playing the actual tabletop care a lot

[wary fulcrum]

they're literally units in the codex though

[vagrant fox]

unless you bring the Waffen SS ork division

[wary fulcrum]

read Terminal Overkill, there is one!

[umbral orbit]

chuds dont care

[heady rivet]

I know they exist canonically, rarely unblemished by the usual genes. But also I love the Escher minis so much that if you force a twink in I wi have to act unwise

[umbral orbit]

whats the point of the sisters of battle anyways

[rocky gale]

Don't care, make them women

[wary fulcrum]

the vast majority dont and i love when people lose their heads over it.

Think about how big some of the online social spaces are, and then think about how often you see the same handful of chud names kicking off, or how little the proportion of the wider group actually interact with the post.

Extrapolate that out and realise that the Vast Bell Curve is good and great

[urban spire]

wonder if the imperium has good hrt

[umbral orbit]

why dont they just merge all the cclesiarchal units into one faction

[sacred ginkgo]

Have you seen Krall

[vagrant fox]

Ecclesiarchy can't have men at arms so they have women at arms and frateris militia volunteers

[urban spire]

no

[sacred ginkgo]

My man will give you a full refit for 2 missions pay

[vagrant fox]

Good if you're rich

[urban spire]

oh him

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah the barber

[umbral orbit]

that makes some sense i guess

[vagrant fox]

Or high enough admech

[umbral orbit]

if it's in a standard hive city they'll probably just cut off whatever you dont want with a rusty combat axe for the price of a rat

[sacred ginkgo]

Idk krall was an atoman local

You can probably get better

[heady rivet]

I mean women also serve in the Priesthood its weird they arent alternate mini options put there. Give me granny with a chainsaw, unrelated to other granny with a bolter.

Now that I type it out thats probably why actually

[lament shoal]

Nobles have access to quality hrt I bet

[rocky gale]

Eldar and Drukhari have the best, they regularly change gender for specific jobs

[umbral orbit]

Oska Krall is a transgender ally

"Peeling back fleshy illusion to reveal shining truth hidden within. So many truths."

[wary fulcrum]

they probably change depending om fashions

[sacred ginkgo]

Doesn't their biology support it directly though

[umbral orbit]

this is what he says in his intro cutscene

[lament shoal]

He was replying to me

[heady rivet]

Genestealer cult approaches their best spy and is like "Yeah he isnt into dudes you're gonna have to take one for the team" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Pei_Pu

[umbral orbit]

oh yeah i just replied to that guy for no reason

lol

but still it stands

[wary fulcrum]

im not just "that guy", thats @meager bane

[rocky gale]

Can't remember which novel it is, but there's one where a Drukhari talks about when he was a Succubus and someones like "Aren't they all women though" and he's just like "Yep"

[umbral orbit]

sefoni, a psyker of her caliber, could probably rewire your biology in the personality scrambler thingy

[urban spire]

sibling OUR biology supports it directly

[umbral orbit]

if the total gender change by krall wasnt enough

[sacred ginkgo]

I mean more directly

[urban spire]

just take the other hormones and magic fucking happens

[sacred ginkgo]

Like their organs will fix themselves

[rocky gale]

Only a matter of time before we can be put into a vat of goo and undergo the amniotic rebirth

[heady rivet]

Commoragh bottom surgery looks like that scene from Outlast Whistleblower

[urban spire]

fuck i want the goo

[umbral orbit]

will ANY of the trans ladies in chat come with to the warhammer store to buy a book cus im socially anxious

[urban spire]

i guess if your tech is advanced enough whether or not your biology inherently supports it becomes academic

[umbral orbit]

🙏🏽

[urban spire]

either way you're just taking the shit that makes it happen

[sacred ginkgo]

Fair

[urban spire]

i live out in the forest so i don't have to encounter awkward social situations e.g. seeing another human literally ever

[sacred ginkgo]

What book

[umbral orbit]

eisenhorn

i heard it was a very good start

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh so narrative

[languid meadow]

yaer

[sacred ginkgo]

We don't get those as often

[umbral orbit]

im not so much as interested in the military stuff as much as i am in the bureaucratic and political narrative

[young pecan]

The villain in this book is jerking himself off about how smart he is and one of the ways he is doing this is by hypnotizing a drunk guy enough to give drastic commands like telling him to kill someone
How does he do this?
"Subtle finger taps"

[umbral orbit]

even tho most of the setting is violent militarism lol

[languid meadow]

Unironically

twice dead king

[young pecan]

I'm not trans or a girlie but it's definitely a fun read

[umbral orbit]

its okay i will take your opinion anyways

[languid meadow]

Twice Dead King has politics and bureaucratic stuff but also dash in body horror (for necrons)

[umbral orbit]

sounds awesome...

[languid meadow]

I will also use any chance I can get to recommend necron books

[young pecan]

I read Eisenhorn Omnibus and am most of the way through the Ravenor Omnibus (which I think is the natural reading order if you want to read all of the Eisenhorn-related stuff)

[wary fulcrum]

eisenhorn lives up to the obi wan sherlock closeau mantle with grace

[umbral orbit]

i want more books with a human aspect rather than big warheroes

i want more grounded perceptions and narrative of the imperium

[rocky gale]

First 3 Eisenhorn novels, Ravenor, 4th Eisenhorn novel and then Bequin

[young pecan]

Ravenor Omnibus is imo not as fun as Eisenhorn's despite Ravenor (very minor spoiler) ||being a much more powerful psyker||

[languid meadow]

Warhammer Crime has a lot of that

[vagrant fox]

Warhammer Crime

[wary fulcrum]

warhammer horror too

[rocky gale]

Read Outgunned

[vagrant fox]

And horror

[rocky gale]

and Above and Beyond

[urban spire]

recommending gaunt's ghosts too

[umbral orbit]

this looks fire

[vagrant fox]

Read crime and horror first if you've any sense

[umbral orbit]

i think i might pick up 15 hours as well

[vagrant fox]

15 Hours is good