40k-lore-chat

[opaque coyote]

Even if the worst happens

It'll just suck

A lot

And a lot of animals will go

And we prefer if that doesn't happen

And tbf we barely even knew what a nuke would've actually done until we actually tested one

With estimates being as crazy as tearing a hole through the atmosphere

We still tested it and dropped two on Japan later once we realized that it DOESN'T tear a hole through our atmosphere

It instead makes those that survive envy those that didn't

Also

Back to Cyberpunk

Buck A Slice is literally just Little Caesars

I cannot eat Little Caesars

Legitimately I can't

Whenever I try I literally gag

[teal tide]

Little Caesars is for when someone at work got fired and your manager wants to raise spirits. It’s not sought after for quality.

[jade holly]

@outer wave I did the math wrong on the points for the IW Combat Patrol

I did 360 for the Termies instead of 180

It’s actually 545 points

Not 725

[outer wave]

Oh thats not as bad then

[jade holly]

In my defense

I saw a 5 next to the 360 points

For squad size

Not realizing there was a Terminator Champion

[opaque coyote]

Bro if that ever happens I would bring down the mood by gagging like a sea turtle choking on a plastic bag

[jade holly]

Fucking what?

Oh I read that wrong

I thought you would literally bring a turtle and do that

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/Z_gDLNXdPjI?si=ybW-xUSmza4aeSJF

[heady rivet]

So there's a mini-series thats an alt history what-if of Lindbergh getting the presidency and going full USA Fash in 1940. I go to watch, woke as I am.

The main dad characters literal FIRST onscreen act is donating money to settle Jews in Palestine

[young pecan]

Are you admitting you're anti-semetic, tsk tsk tsk

[daring creek]

I'm not

5 trillion dollars to israel

[heady rivet]

What sorta antisemite sends that little? 20 trillion at LEAST

[daring creek]

actually a zionist can be anti semitic right? Cuz I hear a good portion of them are evangelical christians who don't actually care about jews. but only want israel to make the middle east for the revelation

or something like that

[fervent geode]

Yeah apparently they somehow think that if Israel massacres all the Palestinians or smth they will build the 3rd Temple and then God will start Armageddon and smite like 2/3 of the jews with the rest becoming evangelicals

Or as my sunday school teacher once said : "theyre crazy"

[fervent geode]

67 trillion USD to Tel Aviv now

[daring creek]

right on the money there.

[fervent geode]

Idk how tf they exist, them and the prosperity gospel people who basically preach greed the religion

[daring creek]

The promise of a revelation has been going

for a very long fucking time now.

and repeatedly, nothing happens.

all starts with one dudes weird ass equation that wasn't even correct

for it to just spiral into over a century long fiasco

[fervent geode]

I remember Harold Camping lmfao

[vagrant fox]

Every day the american invents ten hundred new blasphemies that would make a medieval popes head explode

[fervent geode]

Somehow all these holy ass people never read Matthew 24:36, yknow the one jesus said no man nor angel even knows the day nor the hour

[fervent geode]

Mammon religion

They made a mammon gospel😭

[vagrant fox]

Word Bearer ahh country

[fervent geode]

We too sane for ts shit atp🤔

Give it to the Emperor's Children

[opaque coyote]

So fun fact there's two taxi services in 2077 that are considered unique

The first you are already aware of

Delamain

But there's also a second and could be considered a competitor

Combat Cabb

Their MO was rather simple

Buy taxis

Put heavy armor and weapons on them

And hire the best drivers who also know how to maneuver a car to murder people

They also didn't charge on distance like most taxi services

Rather they charged on Risk, repairs, and ammo used

Wonder which one is more expensive

Checked

Apparently they still exist in 2077 but they're just a background element

It's also explained that Delamain took over the heart of night City but that Combat Cabb still offers it's services in the poorer parts

Although you can only find some cars and NPCs around

Which sucks

Being a combat Cabb driver does sound like a fun questline

Ignoring the jank that is 2077s driving mechanics

[heady rivet]

America has three types of Non-Jewish Zionist politician now

1. Paid off. They either get money from AIPAC to vote and make policy with Israel in mind before the US, they have so much cash in the war business that Israel being constantly aggresive and starting conflict makes them money, or both

2. Israel has records and videos of them assaulting, torturing, and eating children as the Mossad-hosted parties

3. The dying breed but still holding on strong in some Southern seats, the protestant that believes all Jews myst return to Israel (stretching from the Nile to the Euphrates) so the biblical end times can occur

[wary fulcrum]

I’m about to do the Konpeki Plaza heist on my Shinobi run through, so it’s fun to see this popping up

[vagrant fox]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230784073774006302/1480735114919936271/Warthunderremovesallthecoolnameswarthunderremovesallthe_26dd24_13065143.png?ex=69b0c18a&is=69af700a&hm=b9cc775dec769aa46874b4fd4fc0f0446e0432beb75b5dbe46e2f70800d02652&

It's over for german mains in war thunder

[limpid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-penis-mr-penis-cat-gif-6866592718592461157

[rocky gale]

RIP FemboyFuhrerPenis

[jade holly]

Can an Ironkin Technomancer exist?

Not like a Cryptek Technomancer I mean a tech wizard Artificer esque Technomancer

[vagrant fox]

are you sure the religiousness doesn't land even a little bit

[celest dome]

The only "magic" types of LoV are teh Grimnyr

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Grimnyr

[fervent geode]

Its not religiousness as much as pure excess and insanity so uhh

A little maybe

[celest dome]

But their stuff is closer to what Psyker do

[arctic talon]

Grimniyr are psykers

[celest dome]

On the other side you have the Memnyr I guess

[arctic talon]

So yeah

[celest dome]

For Tech manipulation stuff

[arctic talon]

Memnyr are more so like a familiar focusing point

Wait

Wrong thing

[celest dome]

tech wizard Artificer esque Technomancer

[arctic talon]

Memnyr is a big nerd

No wizardy stuff

All numbers and planning

[celest dome]

Ye, but what is the closest, a Psyker (who doesn't have any noted Tech power, or a strategist that control/direct robots

Brokhyr, Memnyr and Grimnyr would be the closest toward what interest Grimm, but none reliably fit

It's going to end up on what they prefer:
Tech Priest
Datasmith
Psyker

None are "tech wizard Artificer esque Technomancer"

Well Psyker can be but not known for Grimnyr

[vagrant fox]

Ten thousand heresies and warmongering and excess and convoluted schemes and stagnation sounds like chad bearers to me

[fervent geode]

Youve sold me

Time to infect the US

[vagrant fox]

Starting with the den of evil itself naturally, California

[fervent geode]

That or Jersey

[vagrant fox]

I heard the california governor is openly sacrificing homeless people aztec style but Jersey works too I guess

[fervent geode]

Gavin Newsom's Moctezuma arc was not something i predicted

[wary fulcrum]

Feel like this would fit here

[celest dome]

Aren't the Illuminate kind of Elf stand ins ?

[wary fulcrum]

No idea, i think they could straddle nurgle (voteless, that big beasty) or tau (the overseers and their battle suits?)

But i dont dive into the background really, i just kill things and die a lot

[celest dome]

Meant more toward the:
Orcs -> Numerous low tier units that aren't really working together mixed with fewer elites (Terminids)
Dwarf -> Heavy armour units that play a more defensive set that intermingle the different units to really make them work well (Cyborg/Bots)
Elf -> Low unit count but each are able to pack a punch, supported by elites units that protect and push for them (Illuminate)

[scenic dagger]

these guys look like chaos Primaris Word Bearers

but this is HH so guess not

[wary fulcrum]

Yeah i could see it

Though at level 9 i'm not sure any of them have low unit count when my team keep getting themselves caught in a ship summoning loop

got a friend who finishes with 900 kills and no extract

[wary fulcrum]

MKIV armour i believe

I dont know if thats a new mini but his old one was Zardu Layak and the Blade Slaves, which sounds like a great band name.

I have those minis somewhere, wonder if they're worth a mint

still available on the GW website, but also near double what i bought them for

[fervent geode]

Its the backpack imo

But yeah he's in Mk 4

Maybe they'll have him in plastic after this?

[raven stone]

https://treeoftales.se/products/flexible-chain-ruler-wargaming-measuring-sticks?srsltid=AfmBOopr1j6cZBBum6noyeidyEGpLwJQIQbb_ABVVZRELpsrKGPQsJL_

Why didn't anyone think of this...why didn't I think of this...

[wary fulcrum]

GW did a flexible ruler for Warcry and it's the single best measuring tool they've ever released, i use it for most games

unfortunately it's no longer available, and i lament that every time i struggle to find mine (which is always in the same place)

[raven stone]

Wait WHAT
They had the one tool that would solve headaches in all their game systems and it is a limited time release item in a box set

What was James thinking!?

[wary fulcrum]

it wasn't in a box set, it was in addition to it

and i frikking know right?!

though it was also only 8 inches

(thats what she saidx)

[raven stone]

(Lol) GW and their decisions...

Classic combo

[wary fulcrum]

Even just not having a starter set for Warcry, literally their best rule set, is insane

for real, one box gets you into one game, with a free online rule book and rules, or an additional book for those who're really into it

A couple more boxes gets you into Spearhead, which also has free online rules, or a specific faction box if you want to expand laterally

Then a couple more boxes, a rule book/ghb, and an army book get you into AoS proper

Instead you have a £90 buy in to start. That's been a lot harder to get people interested let me tell you

[storm jungle]

They are more Protoss/Eldar

[celest dome]

Who are the Elf stand in for their respective setting

[storm jungle]

There isnt one really lol

Illuminate have like zero elf qualities aside from you might argue "ancient race" but thats literally a trope that existed forever

[limpid granite]

Illuminate are tau because they are both blue

https://tenor.com/view/ok-nice-grafic-gif-13206845596055018221

[storm jungle]

As we know tau invented the color blue

[wary fulcrum]

we called it "wine dark" until the Tau popped up

[celest dome]

But then they're not Protoss/Eldar 🙃

[storm jungle]

They are lol

they are literally 1:1 Protoss

[celest dome]

But then by extension the Illuminate that you just said are "Protoss/Eldar" which are the Elf of Starcraft/40k aren't Elf ?

Or Elf like in their design

[storm jungle]

What?

[wary fulcrum]

Protoss -> Eldar -> Elves

So if Illuminate -> Protoss wouldn't they link to Elves through the protss/eldar link?

[storm jungle]

Not really?

[rocky gale]

I always think the cactus in Heretics pfp is Sid the Sloth

[celest dome]

I'm not saying they're Elf as in looking/acting like Elf, but rather they play like old Elfs in those way old strategy games.
Low unit count, but bolstered by special energy/magic/resource...

[storm jungle]

💀

[celest dome]

The fist being the eyes, I see, I see

It's this
From Granblue

(never played that game though, just needed a Cactus monster)

[tepid glacier]

Is fantasy and 40k on the same universe?

[queen laurel]

nope

they just have similarities

mainly chaos but that's about it

[fervent geode]

Same chaos gods, different universe

Someone asked grombrindal this before

Wait

[tepid glacier]

Could we tell that the warp on fantasy share universe with 40k or something like that?

[celest dome]

Different universe but there are thing that are able to cross from 1 universe to another

[celest dome]

No, they're separate still

[tepid glacier]

Since the time works in a diferent way maybe that’s why Slanesh it’s alive

[queen laurel]

nope they are still separate

[tepid glacier]

Oh i see

[fervent geode]

Credits to the wd reader from wh server

[wary fulcrum]

even the gods are slightly different in that they have different focus'

[queen laurel]

They used to hints on it being a thing but no now they are pretty much separate

They're a little bit of Easter eggs and connections and stuff like that here and there but you know that's now done

[celest dome]

The Aetheric Domain are the same, the "being" probably aren't

[fervent geode]

Its all the same thing, maybe, or not

But the gods well

Hard to say

[tepid glacier]

Agg, confusing

[fervent geode]

The aeldari birthing slaanesh, made slaanesh interested in aelves

Funny

[rocky gale]

Wait

[celest dome]

It's not exactly what it mean

[rocky gale]

Eldar birthed Slaanesh, Slaanesh primarily targets Eldar

Does Slaanesh have mommy issues?

[fervent geode]

I guess

[storm jungle]

His issue is child adoption

[fervent geode]

I take a literalist view

So yes

Slaany want da child

[storm jungle]

Warhammer shares a multiverse but the universes are not connected.

the Warp also makes it so that Slaanesh has always existed but the Eldar still created him and so on

[rocky gale]

What Mommy issues does to a mf

[celest dome]

Basically we can wager that each of the Chaos God was born from a being that Coalesced (As we know that the Emperor will go into become The Dark King).
Slaanesh's domain (Rapturous Sensation) is interested in both the Eldar and the Elfs, because they're highly sensitive species.

[storm jungle]

Smash. Next.

[fervent geode]

Smexy

[fervent geode]

The God-Emperor won't become the Dark King anymore though

No one can

[storm jungle]

He will

Its only been delayed as per the book

[fervent geode]

Its been thrown out of this age as of TEATD 2

[celest dome]

He assuredly will

[storm jungle]

his domain and demons already exist

[fervent geode]

Wait ill get the thing

[storm jungle]

Its very much an Abnett Thing i agree but like its spoken as a matter of fact in the novel.

He went like really ham with the paracausal shit

[celest dome]

The domain existing doesn't really mean that he will coaless into it, but Samus did confirm that it is gonna happen, and it will happen with the Emperor.

[storm jungle]

It does coalcesce into it

if he wont rise then why would it ever exist, etc

[fervent geode]

The domain exists presumably

But the God will not be the Dark King

At least for this age

[storm jungle]

Age of the Dark Imperium so probably 20th Edition

[celest dome]

Cause they're multiversal and invading, like how the last 3 don't really have any candidate that we know of but also exist

[fervent geode]

Cant wait lmao

[storm jungle]

I mean no its gonna happen if the writers want it to so its kinda pointless to argue really

[celest dome]

Or in Fantasy/AoS where they're technically also existing, but not really used atm

[storm jungle]

40k lives on the whims of the writers more than any other IP

[fervent geode]

Ttue

[storm jungle]

its why i get more annoyed when other people get annoyed at the "it depends" answer lol

[celest dome]

Or more like the sale managers
Gotta print book to release minaitures and push people to buy them

[fervent geode]

Most things end up that way lmfao

[storm jungle]

Same thing

[tepid glacier]

Yeah probably having like 400 books has some guilty on that

[storm jungle]

Basically lmao

[celest dome]

And having many writers

[fervent geode]

At least Cthonia's Reckoning was a good read

[storm jungle]

[fervent geode]

New BL logo

[solid horizon]

real (I never fully read a single BL book)

[vagrant fox]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172931856916807791/1480872626703564861/image.png?ex=69b1419b&is=69aff01b&hm=615b23e0811306d57d396472b483f4af09d423755328f37ace33f0aa4667040e&

Crazy

Read BL there's some good ones

not boys love

[solid horizon]

idk im already stuggling to find the money to get paints and minis

[storm jungle]

"money"

lmao

[solid horizon]

not sure I could invest time in warhammer books

[storm jungle]

look at this guy

[fervent geode]

Thats not a thing in 40k

[storm jungle]

[fervent geode]

Tbh

[solid horizon]

time, the money of existence

[storm jungle]

I mean

[fervent geode]

It takes me forever to read one mf book

Do it at ur pace

[storm jungle]

Depends on the book and person imo

[fervent geode]

Also ttue

[storm jungle]

i know some people who have jobs and finish them in like 2-3 days lol

[solid horizon]

I mean I'd be reading them if I was interested

the problem is

[vagrant fox]

Do it as fast as possible to avoid dilara spoilers

[tepid glacier]

If you had to choose a single writer to inherit the entire legacy of the w40k universe, who would it be? I particularly hear about Dan Abnett but I wonder if there are better writers in terms of lore

[solid horizon]

I find myself hardly hooked to those books

[storm jungle]

Abnett is good but hes a loose cannon

[fervent geode]

I finished apostle and TFH in days

[storm jungle]

he is WAY too flippant about lore

and also invents new shit constantly much to the detriment of other stuff

[fervent geode]

I took a year for SoT

[fervent geode]

CS GOTO

[vagrant fox]

Joe Abercrombie

[wary fulcrum]

i'd rather an editor inherit the legacy rather than a single author

[fervent geode]

Strongest soldier of Nick Kyme

[celest dome]

If already writing warhammer lore; Guymer or Ward.
If not maybe Sanderson ?

[wary fulcrum]

case in point

Dra'kir is a more powerful psyker than Magnus, in practical terms

[tepid glacier]

Is the dawn of war omnibus related to the game??

[fervent geode]

Lmfao

[solid horizon]

I'm not a big book guy in the first place, my library is made from like, frankenstein, dracula, phantom of the opera, invisible man, island of dr moreau, strange case of dr jekyll and mr hyde + multiple ressource books ?

[wary fulcrum]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jizz-in-my-pants-andy

[fervent geode]

Nah ill be real his shit sucks and that omnibus is weird as hell and contradicts the games

[solid horizon]

I know my brother has some warhammer books but I wouldnt get hooked to read them

[tepid glacier]

Oh i see, then i will avoid him

[fervent geode]

Try typing his name on the ældar server

They literally block it

[vagrant fox]

Goto has dubious honours as an author

[fervent geode]

He made deldar worship slaanesh

[wary fulcrum]

Warrior Brood is alright

Though i'm a hardcore Mantis Warrior fanboy and the chapter that survived a hundred years by using it's remaining 312 Marines in hit and run ambushes losing an entire company in a standing isolated siege makes no sense

[fervent geode]

Oh ive never read that, hmm maybe he has his cooks

[tepid glacier]

I’ve never readed a book of w40k but i’m deep on the lore of the universe, i was thinking about Eisenhorn or The first Heretic what would you recomend

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/VQDz3tKLOW0

Id suggest watching this vid of Ian and skipping to the part where he covers the books. They are like bad bad.

[fervent geode]

Kyme writes good UM somehow

[fervent geode]

Ill be real

[tepid glacier]

Oh, interesting i will

[fervent geode]

As much as i want to tell you to read TFH

Eisenhorn is a better entry point

[wary fulcrum]

he had a soft spot for them, wrote that and Trial of the Mantis Warriors

Which Alan Bligh ignored when he did the Badab War books

[wary fulcrum]

the William King SW books (at least the first one, Space Wolf, a Blood Claw story) is definitely a great starting place for marines

[fervent geode]

Interesting, and yeah tbh i never see much mantis warrior action in the Badab War Imperial Armour Volumes

[fervent geode]

Oh ive heard good things about those

[wary fulcrum]

they body the Carcharadon's and the Fire Hawks and thats enough

Paul Scott, the Mantis Warrior player, didn't lose any of their campaign games, so Bligh had to write around that even though it would have flipped the Badab War if he did it accurately

[fervent geode]

Lmao imagine the separatists winning Badab coz of Mantis warriors bodying everyone

[vagrant fox]

Yes Alan Bligh should control it all

[storm jungle]

Ironically he did once

sigh 😔

[wary fulcrum]

he's the reason we even have a HH

(game and book series)

[storm jungle]

also people dont really know Badab for FW was an experiment for HH lol

[fervent geode]

He made the absolute peak called black books

[storm jungle]

its really funny how the moment he died the entire FW section just crumbled lmao

[solid horizon]

this is a good reminder video for a person like me who played all the games much younger but forgot everything ngl 🙏🏻

[storm jungle]

🫡

its very good

[solid horizon]

I never realised it was the alpha legion in the first games lol

[wary fulcrum]

GW Exec "we're not doing HH, people wont buy Marines vs Marines"
Bligh "bet, Badab War, let me do it"

a short while later

GW Exec "what do we do with all this money?!"

[solid horizon]

but then I was young and didnt really knew much about warhammer

[cerulean trellis]

ty for sharing

[storm jungle]

Ian is the Goat

[cerulean trellis]

indeed he is

[solid horizon]

any person named ian is tbh

[wary fulcrum]

he had a strong philosphy that every marine should be equal in strength to the other legions and chapters, and it should be their specialisation that marks them out.

So the SW executioner thing was a nuisance but he and Abnett turned it into a mental thing rather than an ability one. We see it in Know No Fear, Thiel is getting grief for thinking how to kill Astartes, whereas the SW have already done it, theorised it, notorised it, and handed it over to the Emperor and the Warmaster (pre corruption).

Then he passed and it immediately went out the window to make Dark Angels the bestest of the bestest.

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats a funny thing with 30k in general

"These guys do this the best."
"Ok imma just ignore that thanks"

me when what happens with 60 writers just flipflop books between each other

[wary fulcrum]

and those writers have preferences and want their guys to be the best but instead of making everyone good (Wraight's strength) they make the other side bad (McNeil's downfall)

[storm jungle]

My favorite part is in interviews and blogs they yap SO MUCH about how oh we pass notes between each other oh we talk on videocalls a lot to what to do right and not to do wrong etc etc

Then just... thats never display in the fucking novel lol

[wary fulcrum]

though to be fair to McNeil, A Thousand Sons is one of the most misquoted books ever

[storm jungle]

Siege of Terra is probably one of the best example sof this where they had an entire council of writers working together but just... none of that again shows lol

[solid horizon]

do people even buy 30k minis to play them

[wary fulcrum]

i did

had a massive SW army, was building a WE one but then heresy 2.0 dropped and i hated how they went from scaled down normal looking weapons to dynasty warrior weapons and dipped

[tepid glacier]

You can’t play with 30k minis vs 40k right?

[wary fulcrum]

for real, my massively oversized two handed chainsword Praetor looks like a normal sergeant's chainsword now

[solid horizon]

you can use them as proxies

though you have to do a lot of rebasing depending on the model

[wary fulcrum]

nothing stopping you so long as the WYSIWYG options are there

My 30k army doubled up as a 40k one

issue may be with Primaris

[solid horizon]

I have 16 pylgrim skits that I based in 25mm to be played as normal skits in 40k

I still dont know what ill use the vultarax automata as though

I have not assembled it yet and might keep it for later kitbash

I know multiple people who have 30k armies but I know no one who actually played 30k game

[solid horizon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon_despoliator incredible

this is a thing apparently

[civic gale]

so vulkan is the big salamnder boss right?

[vagrant fox]

yea

[wary fulcrum]

yes

[civic gale]

and are the memes true?

[wary fulcrum]

got merked by Curze throughout every distract of Guilliman's capital

[civic gale]

of them being kind

well kinder than most space marines

[wary fulcrum]

kinder to imperials yes

[civic gale]

why ofc

[wary fulcrum]

if you're alien, mutant or heretic then no

[civic gale]

fuck xenos mutant or heretics

in their eyes

[vagrant fox]

sure

[civic gale]

unless they can form an alliance to fuck chaos up

[vagrant fox]

no

that's heresy

[wary fulcrum]

they look demonic

Like, literally, obsidian black skin and red eyes

So they over compensate to show their humanity

They're not ethnically black, but literally the black 2.0 Venta black black

[civic gale]

there have been records of it tho

[vagrant fox]

still illegal

[wary fulcrum]

no there hasn't, report to your local inquisitor for re education

your reeducation is servitor ship

[civic gale]

didnt....one of the blood angels get contacted by the necron boss and they formed a very quick alliance?

[limpid granite]

yup

[civic gale]

and a story about an ork who saved an human child?

[limpid granite]

the necrons did betray the blood angels

[civic gale]

over a tiranid invasion

[civic gale]

xenos being xenos i guess

[vagrant fox]

Still, they burn civilians. BL authors are cowards and don't want to make the salamanders proper imperials

[limpid granite]

imperium and xenos factions arent uncommon alliances

even belisarius cawl was willing to take instructions from a necron after all

and hes been around for 10k years

[civic gale]

imperialism kindness is still kindness

[limpid granite]

plenty of chapters see their serfs as actual human beings

others just see them as tools

[wary fulcrum]

i think it depends on the person as much as the chapter

[civic gale]

ill stick to my headcannon where

salamanders are kind

[wary fulcrum]

they're still kind

er

[civic gale]

to everything that is not xenos, mutant or heretic

[wary fulcrum]

just that the imperium is an unkind world

[wary fulcrum]

that's not headcanon like, that's their actual lore

if humans side with xenos, they're heretics

[civic gale]

shhhh lore is subjective (it is not i am meming at this point

[limpid granite]

i guess guilliman being rescued by yvraine makes him a heretic then

[vagrant fox]

As long as you remember they're indoctrinated child-soldiers in the bloodiest and cruellest regime it's gucci

[wary fulcrum]

in the eyes of some inquisitors, yeah

[vagrant fox]

correct

[wary fulcrum]

like, the Imperium is not the good guy

[limpid granite]

at this point an imperium eldar alliance is a workable thing

[wary fulcrum]

there are 100% factions who would turn on guilliman if they knew about xenos influence

[storm jungle]

Its very much not

theres is no "eldar alliance"

[wary fulcrum]

remember, there's an Inquisitor ordo who turn on space marines for being space marines

[vagrant fox]

On and off some parts of the Imperium but not as a whole

[storm jungle]

do people not know every single craftworld is their own entity and nation lol

[vagrant fox]

that too

Saim-Hann is going to do a drive by beheading of someone Ulthwe gets along with

hopefully some ultramarine

[storm jungle]

Yeah people always think Craftworld Eldar are like some single entity lmao

[limpid granite]

https://klipy.com/gifs/chuckle-87

[civic gale]

i want emperium and ork alliance 👉👈 because yaric was killed by chaos and they should totally bond together and just fuck chaos for a few days (copium

[storm jungle]

We got no idea what killed Yarrick

[civic gale]

oh

[storm jungle]

also Orks are racist as shit and hate everyone

[civic gale]

well that video lied to me

[storm jungle]

Your first mistake is trusting the fandom lmao

[civic gale]

not yarrick

[storm jungle]

Especially to Yarrick

[civic gale]

yknow what fair point

[storm jungle]

Ghaz wants to kill him himself

[wary fulcrum]

YouTubers shouldn't be trusted

[civic gale]

the big ass orkboss?

[limpid granite]

ghazkull thrakka yes

[wary fulcrum]

Maggy Thatcher yes

[civic gale]

(to myself

[storm jungle]

Yarrick is just MIA until he gets a new mini

[limpid granite]

yarrick but green

[storm jungle]

no

[vagrant fox]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/783433583816736820/1438341378370310154/gzteni4qzw0g1.webp?ex=69b0c6cb&is=69af754b&hm=c7c018b526213e09dd3e08ab125dcaf2ef9c167e27b77e8b6902649fef8d7a6f&=&format=webp&width=1170&height=856

I love this one

anyways it's my feelings on an imperial eldar alliance

[storm jungle]

Same, its such a dumbass idea

if you want alliances go to WHF or AOS lol

[limpid granite]

i can tell this was made by someone with pure hate and misery

[vagrant fox]

someone sensible

[storm jungle]

^

[vagrant fox]

I think it was Defenders of Ulthuan where some high elves show up to help the Empire of Man and it's hella cool but I don't so much want it in 40k

[storm jungle]

Yeah tho thats a regular occurence

High Elves regularly help out humans when needed

AOS even more so

Chaos is a shared enemy and they arent all nazis

[cerulean trellis]

the WHF alliances are dumber tbh xD

[storm jungle]

They arent lol

[wary fulcrum]

the best is AoS where the Order Faction Daughters of Khaine betray the Order Factions Stormcast and Cities of Sigmar and kidnap a city

Or the Order Faction Idoneth Deepkin raid various villages of Order factions to steal their souls

[cerulean trellis]

druchii and asur figthing side by side becasue the both want order xD

[storm jungle]

Thats... never happened

lol

[wary fulcrum]

factions who turn on each other are more fun than enemies who help each other

[cerulean trellis]

i think they got rid of it again but that edition was so dumb

[storm jungle]

Anyway

[storm jungle]

AoS makes a lot more sense because Order is a VERY loose term

[cerulean trellis]

oh that was AoS?

[storm jungle]

they also all got their downsides but they are still leagues better than Chaos

same with fighting against Death factions

[storm jungle]

High Elves would never fight alongside Dark Elves, they are literally almost responsible for destroying the world and dooming their entire kingdom lol

[cerulean trellis]

that kinda calms me q bit finding otu it was AoS i was thinkign about and not WHF

[vagrant fox]

another aos slop moment smh my head

[cerulean trellis]

i know thats why i thought it so ultimately dumb that they are in the same faction

[storm jungle]

[raven stone]

Wait did Helldivers go from blindly fighting an unwinnable war to doxxing!?

https://youtu.be/O-lmxY3Ww9s?si=o9F7BeR7e6snFN62

[vagrant fox]

last week

[storm jungle]

Yeah LMAO

also "The Community Has Spoken..."

spoken to who, HR?

[vagrant fox]

It was genuinely pathethic to watch, what a miserable shitty community

[storm jungle]

^

Shitdiver fans fall lower and lower

[vagrant fox]

we doxxed some random guy and ruined his life, it's Arrowheads fault

[storm jungle]

We should kill them tbh

[limpid granite]

the most recent development is arrowhead not having a balancing team

[storm jungle]

the most recent development is the fandom being cunts

[wary fulcrum]

the self cannibalistic nature of the grand alliances is a huge appeal for me

The fact you can have a Gaunt's Ghost's length novel series about Chaos Warriors and not feature any faction outside of Chaos Warriors, and still have it be interesting and lore accurate, is one of my favourite selling pointd

[vagrant fox]

That's the least surprising thing I ever read

[raven stone]

I think at this point they have crossed an impossible line and became worse than the average alt right Krieg fan.

At least those fuckers don’t go around doxxing people.

[storm jungle]

I would say its not too cannibalistic but they very much do a good job of showing how faulty Order can get yeah, and its largely their institutions fault more than their leaders to some degree

For example Sigmar is a hero and a good person but he very much has a lot of negatives he cant control with his followers etc

then you got Morathi whos just evil but shes sexy so i give her a pass

https://klipy.com/gifs/the-sopranos-46

[wary fulcrum]

for the most part, such as Stormcast and Cities, but then you have DoK and Idoneth who both prey on everyone and are only loosely aligned with Order

[wary fulcrum]

is it the snake tail?

[storm jungle]

her entire faction is half-naked warrior women

[wary fulcrum]

the least self destructive is, weirdly, Death.

Which is funny because they have actual cannibals and bloodsuckers throughout the faction lore.

[storm jungle]

Yeah exactly but its still better than Chaos which is the ultimate point, and their evils are bad but still preferable to what Chaos/Death/Destruction would do if they took over

[wary fulcrum]

the new ones look awesome, wont lie

[storm jungle]

Death has the advantage of being largely automatonous

also Nagash's demands being VERY simple lol

[wary fulcrum]

Nagash just wants piece.

A little piece of you, and a little piece of you

[storm jungle]

Or you go to super skeleton hell for being a doctor

because you suck as you prevent death

petty asshole

[vagrant fox]

Nagash is such a shit I love him

[storm jungle]

Such is the will of Nagash

[rocky gale]

The fact pretty much all of his Mortarchs have been cursed by him

[storm jungle]

Yeah AOS has a lot more nuance compared to 40k because theres just so many angles for a lot of the factions.

you'd never see this shit in 40k which is just tragic honestly

its nothing but an Imperium slopshowdown

[vagrant fox]

I should track down the exact story I read about high elves coming to help some besieged empire soldiers for pure nostalgium and ruin the memory now that I have much more refined and sensible tastes

[storm jungle]

im 99% sure its from a comic

because I vividly remember them arriving and shaking Franz' hand

[rocky gale]

Na you're just remembering the scene from LOTR: The Two Towers

[storm jungle]

Nah

get out

[vagrant fox]

that one's also good but no

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/aragorn-akward-hug-lord-of-the-rings-two-towers-helms-gif-16336529

[vagrant fox]

not in the books btw totally ruined the whole movie

[storm jungle]

Jokes aside no i know that panel

they shake hands with Franz then fight some generic chaos warriors

[vagrant fox]

I vaguely remember a female swordmaster of hoeth

[storm jungle]

its from those WHF comics you also cannot find anywhere lol

since they were like a limited run

[vagrant fox]

hey now the Tau were cool in Death Rider that makes up for it

[wary fulcrum]

they teased it so much too

Like the dichtonomy of AoS factions, Abraxia vs Eternus withing S2D for example

Ultramarines seemed to be building towards it, Agamemnon and Sicarius seemed to have beef, and it never went anywhere because Guilliman came back

Whereas most factions in AoS have a couple of opposing philosophies within them (i keep nudging the writers to explore the Khorne one, basically the people responsible for the Red Century who cost Archaon the win, have them be duellists and challenge hunters, focus on the warrior aspect of khorne rather than the mentalist aspect)

[vagrant fox]

The fate of being an old world fan, nothing's preserved and no one cares and nothing can be tracked down

aos ruined everything, it killed my terminal franchise

[wary fulcrum]

and that was before end times

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

Its more that we can never have this in 40k because they never established proper grounds for it. It'd need a 8th edition tier setting shakeup which they'll never commit to so who cares honestly. People just want to buy space marines and preach how great the Imperium is on twitter/youtube forever so its whatever anymore lol

I'll forever be mad at how lucky WHF/AoS fans are for having a setting with actual nuance

also a fandom with barely any nazis

[wary fulcrum]

I had the dubious honour of being the single biggest buyer of Fantasy stuff in the run up to our LGW's summer campaign for that whole year.

So from dec-april, i bought moe than the rest for the following year

[wary fulcrum]

join us, we have warcry and shudder spearhead

[queen laurel]

Not being too popular has it's quirks

[vagrant fox]

I think I bought more models than everyone else combined in a 120 km radius around me when I did

shit was dire

[wary fulcrum]

was just insane

[queen laurel]

forgetting underworld snow bluey?

[wary fulcrum]

and i still have that army, i can throw it on the table now

[wary fulcrum]

...i actually did yeah, but i dont mind underworlds, has some of the better minis

[vagrant fox]

I only have some chaos warriors left, around 7 I forget

[wary fulcrum]

i had enough to rebase and repaint 10 of them for my chaos warriors, and when mixed in with the other 20 its difficult to tell from a distance that they're older

i also liked the marauder kit

please dont shoot me

[vagrant fox]

I should but I won't

It is honestly kind of funny how my 40k progression is the same as my WHFB progression of Empire -> Chaos -> Elves

[wary fulcrum]

i stopped with 40k at Space Wolves

but i started in 3rd so it's oaky

[vagrant fox]

space wolves explains it

[wary fulcrum]

ow

[raven stone]

https://youtu.be/lokjoK9kZaE?si=GDij3DpdKIuRCkXw

[celest dome]

I wonder if I'd have had the same one had the League of Votann be there at my start:
Dwarf ->Chaos ->Lore of Magic
Admech -> Dark Mech ->Psyker stuff

[wary fulcrum]

i'm going to lose this before i get a chance to watch it at home

[vagrant fox]

hmm

[wary fulcrum]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hot-fuzz-shame-2

[vagrant fox]

I think it might just be a door this time

[cerulean trellis]

where canm i find the interactive warhammer map again?

[wary fulcrum]

clearly it's an orlock lugger

[rocky gale]

Gargant using a wall as a shield

[fervent geode]

Doesnt the 3rd Company specialise in burning dissenters alive

[vagrant fox]

It's one of the things they do yea

[fervent geode]

Amazing

[storm jungle]

Wanting to humanize superhuman soldiers who literally serve space nazi germany is funny tbh

[vagrant fox]

The Sword Master bowed deeply and Eldain saw the tremendous sword upon her back, the weapon surely almost as tall as its bearer. ‘My apologies, Lord Éadaoin, I am sorry for your loss. And forgive my manners; I have not yet introduced myself. I am Yvraine Hawkblade, Sword Master of Hoeth.’

i can't believe 40k stole from whfb again

It is peculiar to me that some people want to b-ball with the 'good guys' of the ultra terrible regime

[storm jungle]

Yeah its why I hate Salamanders and their fanbase

"they are kind"

okay what about all the other billions of people that suffer around the galaxy at the hands of the regime the Salamanders help stand up lol

Sallies are fucking hypocrites

[fervent geode]

They are kind because they save you from dying so you can continue living under the hellish regime of the Imperium

[raven stone]

I think the key thing people miss

Salamanders are only kind by Marine standards

Considering the average Marine is artistically attuned to war

But I somewhat do think dunking on them too hard also undermines it somewhat, IMHO

Because even IRL, I can make the same argumemts

Maybe my donation ends up in the pocket of greedy bureaucrats

Maybe me feeding a starving kid actually leads to him becoming a child soldier under some terror group or Warlord coercing them to be so

Yes, Salamanders are evil as part of IoM

But let's not go to the extremes of writing off the kindness completely

Because going by that logic

I should stop donating to feed starving children because they might end up becoming a child soldier.

[umbral orbit]

"you see THIS particular nazi SS death squad kills 5 jews less every time they circle through Kiev!!!"

"arent they such good guys??"

[fervent geode]

You know what i still hate them no matter how kind by marine standards they are

Coz theyre dumb

At helsreach they wasted time evacuating civvies (who iirc die anyway) leading to the siege extending way longer

[umbral orbit]

they assist families and defend civilians

[fervent geode]

Later on they accuse the marines malevolent of cruelty for shelling a refugee camp

Said refugee camp was being overrun by orks who were killing and torturing everyone

Clearly the MoM shouldve let the orks have their fun

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[umbral orbit]

but thats kinda it and in the grand scheme, no matter how virtuous it sounds... it doesnt really matter lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah like dont get me wrong if you wanna cheer for them thats fine

but the actions of the Salamanders are meaningless

this isnt like say WHF or AOS where the Imperials there saving a hamlet or a group of civillians can go and live happy lives somewhere else

for humanity and especially the downtrodden theres no escape

[fervent geode]

So they can die later

[raven stone]

I mean, hating them for being un-tactical on when to exercise said kindness is also fair game I guess. Knowing when you can and cannot do things is a part of wisdom...something Marines are not necessarily good at either.

[umbral orbit]

i hate them because it just doesnt make sense to defend them

they are still space nazis

in the end

They still genocide and kill and slaughter and pillage like any other space marine

[fervent geode]

Tbh true, but many chapters know wayyy better than them

[fervent geode]

Fun fact

Sallies have internal racism

Like 30k Death Guard levels

You... IGNEAN

They hate igneans

[umbral orbit]

😭

[fervent geode]

People not from one of vulkan's 7 sanctuary cities

One of them Dakir gets it pretty bad from his sarge for it

[raven stone]

OK, I think the point hete is "if you help them and the outcome is guaranteed to be bad, is there a point." (Unlike IRL where there is a chance for things to go good)

Which is...a fair criticism and just bad writing on GW's part.

[storm jungle]

Basically yeah

GW is largely to blame here as well

it took them 25 years to add a lore bit of the Salamanders openly doing evil shit with their 3rd company burning people alive lmao

[fervent geode]

True tbh

Its all the fucking igneans fault

[raven stone]

The deeper writing issue (discussing as art form now) is very much Salamanders are "kind" in that they are the emergency responders

When in reality you need Ultramarine levels of society building to make a long term difference

[umbral orbit]

what does this mean

[raven stone]

Like yes, it is great Sallies are willing to stall enemies a bit longer to evavuate people and everything (and as stated above, they might not have the best sense of timing for it)

But what happens after the invasion is said and done

Sallies don't help rebuild, don't govern, the people they rescue are just...thrown back into the IoM bureaucracy grinder

@umbral orbit basically what I said above

[fervent geode]

Tbh makes sense

[umbral orbit]

i see

sallies are kinda useless lol

other than the fact that they burn people alive

[fervent geode]

Further proof that Big E shouldve killed all legions besides UM and WB🙏

Unfortunately he was stupid

[vagrant fox]

whoa whoa woha lets not be too hasty

Keep the imp fisters in there for my nostalgias sake

[umbral orbit]

what is the point of multiple space marine legions with varying colors and strategies and command structures

[fervent geode]

Fine they can stay, but Space Marine by Ian Watson is canonised

[umbral orbit]

wouldnt it just make sense to group them all together under one bureaucratic streamlined command as like ultramarines or something

[fervent geode]

They were all supposed to work tgt

They had different things they were better at, while being alright at everything

[vagrant fox]

Space is very big so you have a lot of independent armies going everywhere. You may think it's a long way down the road to the chemists but that's just peanuts to space

[umbral orbit]

so its like the militarum where they fracture every regiment and division into specialized roles so they cant rebel effectively

in the case that any regiment does defect/turn traitor

[fervent geode]

Like DG get sent to exterminate and toxgas worlds to death when they are basically seen as hopeless for compliance

[fervent geode]

Not really

All of them were supposed to fulfill a role

[raven stone]

TBF that plan got thrown out the window when the Primarchs were scattered as infants throughout the galaxy and grew up independently...

[fervent geode]

But if lets say the DG need to bring world into compliance without toxing it to death, its no problem

If the NL need to frontal assault instead of their usual shit its no problem

[raven stone]

And yes, some legions did fight very differently before and after finding their Primarch

[fervent geode]

But they are better at certain things ykwim

[raven stone]

So there was a lot of cultural deviation

[fervent geode]

Yeah that too

Sometimes legions changed drastically

Like Dusk Raiders to Death Guard
Dust Raiders to Raven Guard
War Hounds to World Eaters
Imperial Heralds to Word Bearers
War-Born to Ultramarines

Alot could change, and some integrations went better than others

[raven stone]

Pre Corax, the Dust Raiders (Emo Legion) was every bit as barbaric and vicious as the Sons of Horis.

Post Corax...they quietened down and learned restraint (and those who didn't were promptly exiled/sent to die in a front line meatgrinder assault)

[fervent geode]

For example the integrations of Terrans in the DG and RG didn't go so smoothly, whereas in the NL and WB everyone was chummy

UM too

[vagrant fox]

RG didn't deserve the based Terrans Corax was a fraud

[fervent geode]

Exactly smh

Even Sanguinius could reform his mass murderers into like idk manicure artists

Wth did Corax try before he kicked out everyone except Soukhounou

[raven stone]

Ironically Corax did what he did because he hated dictators or oppressors

And Dust Raiders reminded him too much of that

Despite him being Imperium aligned

Yep GW writing strikes again...

[fervent geode]

https://tenor.com/view/under-new-management-more-like-under-new-management-megamind-megamind-meme-jokez-da-joke-gif-19867663

[cerulean trellis]

isn't it kidna similar with the khan?

[vagrant fox]

good god I think I found the WHFB book I was thinking about and it was nothing like my memory
Now I know how it is to be old

[fervent geode]

Corax

[cerulean trellis]

he didn't liek opressors and stuff as well, still joined the imperium

[vagrant fox]

So it goes, what a fraud

[fervent geode]

He just wanted to do his thing

[vagrant fox]

Better than the alternative until we can fix it or something was his rationale

[fervent geode]

I think he believed in the God-Emperor's bright future for humanity koolaid

[cerulean trellis]

fair

[fervent geode]

iirc he did have a big man talk with dad before he joined the imperium

[vagrant fox]

that was it

[cerulean trellis]

i still think it super funny that basically the book lorgar wrote bakc then that made big E angry and drove lorgar to the chaos gods is the same friggin book the ecchlesiarchy has as a basis today xD

[fervent geode]

Lorgar found it ironic and paradoxical, and he thinks that the book is a lie that leads to truth

[vagrant fox]

You should step down, Lady Aurelion. It is not safe.’ said a soft voice at her side. She turned towards Carandrian, her personal bodyguard. He stood at her side, dutiful as always. He was a proud warrior, and wore a tall gleaming silver helm, as did all the Swordmasters of Hoeth. ‘We are besieged, Carandrian. Of course it is not safe.’ she said, and continued to survey the battlefield.

These two had melded in my mind to become one character over almost exactly 20 years, crazy

[fervent geode]

Time does crazy things

[vagrant fox]

I think I read it in December 2006 so it'll be 20 years come December actually

[cerulean trellis]

wait i thougth lorgar initially wanted to display big e as a god?

[vagrant fox]

Lorgar's a silly boy he doesn't know what he wants

[fervent geode]

Oh yeah he saw Big E as God first

That came later

After Monarchia

[fervent geode]

Problem with all the truth wanting smh

Shouldve been more ignorant

[raven stone]

Khan was weirdly similar but different - he bought the conquest cool aid, but not the ruling part of it.

So he just kept xenociding aliens until he was dragged into the Civil War

[fervent geode]

"MONARCHIA WAS A TEST GUYS"
~ "Good" Lorgar

[raven stone]

Officially yes, but given Monarchia, he is just an egoist who wants to be recognised for his slavish devotion to something

[fervent geode]

Not really

It was his first chastisement

And it was really an overkill that hit hard

[raven stone]

Yea that is undeniable

[fervent geode]

He likes understanding things, he couldn't reconcile Monarchia at all

That's why he started looking for the four after Erebus and Kor gave him the idra

I'd call him naïve, he became a hateful egoist later

[cerulean trellis]

The way it git explained to me was: he saw Big E as god, preached his worship, Big E git angry, scolded Lorgar, Lorgar looked for gods, found the 4

[fervent geode]

Sorta

Yeah basically

But one major thing

Big E wasn't angry about the God thing

Well at least it wasn't the main issue

It was that Lorgar was slow

He took time personally ensuring reconstruction, faith, and stability during his compliances

The major issue is

He never wanted to be a soldier or a warrior, so he was not very warlike even if he was a experienced general

[vagrant fox]

Too bad he landed on pervert planted to be raised by perverts instead of being indoctrinated from babyhood like he should have been

[fervent geode]

So sad

He almost became literally Dune too

Then Kor murdered the Fremen who took him in

Fucking Kor

Its always him

[storm jungle]

He lands on a middle-east planet and is corrupted by evil?

What did the writers mean by this...?

[fervent geode]

An evil child beater dad nonetheless, where they worship the devil

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

speaking as half-arab myself; another White Anglo Writers moment

[cerulean trellis]

who khor?

[storm jungle]

Kor Phaeron

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kor_Phaeron

[cerulean trellis]

ty, sry i dun know much about chaos at all, except for the gods themselves

[storm jungle]

🫡

[vagrant fox]

the war on terror was very scary for us westerners

[limpid granite]

tldr chaos is evil

[cerulean trellis]

depends on the point of view, as always

and then again, who isn't

[limpid granite]

tzeentch is fun tho

[cerulean trellis]

Slaanesh can be fun too

[vagrant fox]

khorne most of all

[celest dome]

Nurgle is the lamest god/domain tbh

Too bad that they're GW's favourite

[storm jungle]

The rot consumes

Grandfather please spawn malignant fungi in Cacti's brain

https://klipy.com/gifs/praying-21

[cerulean trellis]

dude ... nurgle is the most effective of them all, fucker deviced all the brainrot memes and shit like tiktok and youtube shorts

[limpid granite]

its overused as a horde faction

[storm jungle]

Nurgle is fine

all dumbass fans want khorne as if he isnt the most boring chaos god ever lmao

[fervent geode]

Nurgle is sigma

[fervent geode]

Bald evil fuck

Shoots black lightning

[vagrant fox]

wrong and falsepilled

[celest dome]

I do want some Khorne factions, but imo I'd like to see a tide game that end up having after 10-ish year having each of the Chaos Gods

But it's more so about the miniature that Nurgle is the favourite

[fervent geode]

Khorne can be interesting if he wasnt being shoehorned into braindead berzerkers only

[fervent geode]

Eh the DG range doesn't devalue the God

Even if its the best monogod one

[celest dome]

I do not fucking care about CSM

[vagrant fox]

wrong and falsepilled

[fervent geode]

All of them?

Or the undivided one

[vagrant fox]

but more normies would be nice

[celest dome]

All of them

[fervent geode]

True

[fervent geode]

Aight, id like more Lost and the Damned myself

[storm jungle]

Correct and truepilled. Also Avitus is literally me

[fervent geode]

Martellus Betrayal funny tho

[vagrant fox]

maximum khornepilled

[fervent geode]

He legit morphs into a WB

[vagrant fox]

you're a khornehead now

[storm jungle]

I DO want to kill everyone in here its true

[fervent geode]

Woe upon ye, corn

[vagrant fox]

He's one of my favourite khornetypes, the universe is miserable and it's just endless mindless slaughter what's the point it's bordering nurgle territory

[celest dome]

Honestly all of the Chaos god can be interesting, it's just that Khorne is just left to: Muscly Warrior that just want to fight in melee

[fervent geode]

Exactly

[fervent geode]

If only the Bloodstalkers, Blood Pact and Gladiator Cadre 331 got more attention

Alas

[vagrant fox]

if only

[fervent geode]

Another 1000000 berzerkers

[vagrant fox]

I made a khornate for a Black Crusade game who was more of a mercenary general, he went from place to place as a strategic adviser to create ever war

he was essentially just the major from hellsing abriged tbh

[fervent geode]

Now that sounds cool

Kinda like Murdin Eyclone, but a Khorne facilitator

[vagrant fox]

ah yeah that guy

Not far off

Would never actually lift a finger just direct charges and artillery strikes in Khornes name

Too bad the game died very quickly but I should just put him in my little sector

[fervent geode]

Well, he got the blood spilt

So old man's pleased enough

[celest dome]

You know how the last update for Nurgle in AoS explored different aspect of sickness (Mania; apathy; pollution), and how they have Herald that are quite different (Spoilpox Scrivener and the bagpipe one).
I'd love to see the same be applied to the other Gods.

[vagrant fox]

as is sensible

More variety more good whey

[fervent geode]

Oh yeah that would be good

[cerulean trellis]

wait ... if we heat up khorne berzerkers enough do they become popkhorne?

[vagrant fox]

yea

[cerulean trellis]

i'll see myself out

[vagrant fox]

it's a classic

[fervent geode]

Khorne flakes too

[vagrant fox]

Really like the shadow daemon Artesia in Fall of Cadia as well. You can get so creative with these things but all we get is idiot berserker and satan looking guys

smh my head

[fervent geode]

Yeah, and that one Chaos Lord who was blessed by both Nurgle and Khorne

[celest dome]

Khorne I'd really want to see some Hero unit that is more interested in collecting weapons, basically going on battlefields and duelling worthy target and keeping their weapons

[vagrant fox]

I conceptualised a world eater like this once ☝️ 🤓

Carrying a trophy rack of broken wargear and weapons

[fervent geode]

He'd be a very odd WE, but fairs so long as he isnt using em

[arctic talon]

Cities of sugmar

[fervent geode]

The Legion sees broken and used weapons as bad

Maybe a human chaos lord would be cool for that

[vagrant fox]

The one I had in mind would challenge people, kill them, break their weapons to break the idea of them, then mount the stuff as a trophy

something defeated in body and as a symbol

[fervent geode]

Tbh i want more "khornate armies" like the blood pact

[vagrant fox]

Could be anything who knows what it could be

[fervent geode]

Oh yeah that i could certainly see

[vagrant fox]

I finally found it

I haven't seen it in years

[fervent geode]

Lmao

[cerulean trellis]

the fuck?

lol

[vagrant fox]

bloodbowl

[storm jungle]

Reminder guys very serious setting btw

Disney is gonna ruin Warhammer uhhh etc etc idk

[vagrant fox]

it is ok

[fervent geode]

NOOOOOOO

Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau SAVE ME!

[storm jungle]

LOL

[vagrant fox]

Everything about the Grey Knights is deeply serious what with being number 666 and having 666 trials

[queen laurel]

don't forget my favorite shoe and sportswear brand

[fervent geode]

Chapter 667 being the Exorcists presumably

[arctic talon]

Metal pattern is super cities of sigmar

Tbh

[queen laurel]

yeah but when do you see them bring buildings in a fight. that is definitely gargant coded

just wearing a piece of a building as a new clothing fashion trust me

[celest dome]

Could be one of those Flying Towers from Fantasy

Or ||cogfort||

[vagrant fox]

whomst

[outer wave]

Saw this yesterday, wild it was over copyright infringement

[arctic talon]

Tourist grifter

[opaque coyote]

The most famous one

[arctic talon]

Kill all tourists who larp as having played a lot

[storm jungle]

Its the garfield joker guy right

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

yeah good fucking riddance

lmao

now if onyl Bohecunt got suspended

[opaque coyote]

How to ragebait a deldar

Step 1

[humble shoal]

Be slaaneshi

[storm jungle]

get shot

[humble shoal]

Gets off from being shot

Slaaneshi always wins

[fervent geode]

Step 2: get freaky

[storm jungle]

Nobody gets off on anything when they're dead dummy

[opaque coyote]

Only works if you're a Daemon

[humble shoal]

Killing demons is hard

[fervent geode]

Insane science discovery

[storm jungle]

Its really not

[humble shoal]

Just like that daemonette over there

[fervent geode]

90 bolt shells for Samus

The weaker daemons id assume much less

[opaque coyote]

I think there's a scene where a Chaos Marine politely asks to kill a Daemonette

[fervent geode]

Or use promethium flamers

[opaque coyote]

And they were like "Oh my what a gentleman~ of course I'll kill myself!"

[vagrant fox]

just stab it 4head

[fervent geode]

Psykerisms work on them too

Especially if you want to bind them into weapons or engines

[fervent geode]

Simple, but effective

[humble shoal]

Not dead though

[fervent geode]

Banishment ala psykerism is possible, if risky

[humble shoal]

We should take a keeper of secrets and shove her in a sword and give it to a human for fun.

[fervent geode]

Give it to Fulgrim

Or Angron has one rn

[humble shoal]

Did angron ever get his axes back?

[fervent geode]

Nah, but he has a new one

Gorefather was repaired and taken by the Betrayer

Gorechild and Widowmaker are uhhh

Somewhere

[humble shoal]

With the 40,000 warhammers

[fervent geode]

RIP😔

[opaque coyote]

[Excerpt] Apothecaries defeat a daemonette by being polite

From Fabius Bile: Primogenitor. Context: two apothecaries, Oleander and Arrian (both allies of Fabius Bile) are clearing daemons out of the ship following a particularly gnarly time in the warp.

Oleander grabbed the creature’s burning hair and jerked it back. ‘My thanks, lady. But I do not think that message is meant for me.’ The daemonette shrieked and laughed. ‘Not yet,’ it said. ‘But soon.’ A hoof flashed, catching him in the midsection. He bent forward and the daemonette flipped backwards. Its hooves struck the far wall and it crouched there, head turning. It spotted Arrian and licked its cheek. ‘Would you like to know what lies your teacher told you?’

‘Not especially,’ Arrian said. A falax blade snapped out, but a claw intercepted it. The daemonette bent at an impossible angle and drove its free claw into the World Eater’s side. Ceramite cracked and Arrian stumbled. The daemonette wrapped itself about him like a snake.

‘Won’t you, oh won’t you walk with me?’ it sang. It caught his throat with its claws. Arrian fell backwards, his arms pinned to his sides by its legs.

Oleander hesitated, but only for a moment. He recovered his sword and raised it over his head. ‘My lady, might I escort you from this harsh realm?’

The daemonette rotated its head on its swanlike neck. It tittered and bowed its head. ‘Make it hurt,’ it purred. Oleander’s sword fell, chopping through unnatural flesh and bone. The body began to dissolve as Arrian fought his way free.

‘Do you normally ask permission before you kill something?’

'Good manners go a long way in the Eye,’ Oleander said, helping the other Apothecary to stand. ‘Especially when it comes to the servants of the Prince of Pleasure.’

[storm jungle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-cute-cat-83

[opaque coyote]

So unironically Daemonettes get off to being killed

[storm jungle]

Not really

theres examples where they get killed and scream in anger

[opaque coyote]

Or at least that particular one

[storm jungle]

yapper excerpt is not always correct

[opaque coyote]

True

Could be differing tastes

Daemons can still have different opinions and preferences after all

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

I think the same book also implies that EC and Daemonettes have gone through romances

Which is funny that's the only canonical mention of SM romance

Either way it is an interesting look into Slaaneshi daemons

[raven stone]

Maybe the daemonette gets off on politeness lol

[opaque coyote]

I guess it's about consent

Then again consent is so rare among Slaaneshi MFS that it might actually become a kink for how rare it is.

[raven stone]

Without wanting or intending to sound like a chud baying about wokeness, it doesn’t surprise me if GW is trying to tone Slaanesh in a weirdly correct way whilst keeping them sexual.

[opaque coyote]

Maybe, but personally, I don't think it's the case specifically

Cause they have dipped into darker territory with Slaanesh so it's definitely just that Daemonette's kink

[raven stone]

True, that and for this scene in particular

There is a comedic effect in politeness being the winning factor in the fight

[opaque coyote]

Also helps that the SM that kills her is actually an EC

Maybe they had a fling who knows

[opaque coyote]

Quite literally killing with kindness

[raven stone]

Indeed

[opaque coyote]

Besides it does show some 3rd dimension to daemons for them to have

... preferences

[raven stone]

Also shows Slaanesh as a dark parody of knightly tales, considering the dialogue.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it's why the silver knight tale is one of my favorites

It's technically framed as a typical "save the princess"

Only it's subverted via two eays

A) The knight wants to kill the "princess"

B) The princess is also the "dragon" and the knight fails and succeeds in his quest simulatenously

Also ik people think it's an SM

A Grey Knight specifically

Maybe even Kaldor Draigo

But that's fucking boring

[raven stone]

I think GW deliberate kept it vague

[opaque coyote]

Yeah and it's basically a Slaaneshi myth at the end of the day

[raven stone]

So they could if they want, or change track and say “oh BTW is random Silver Skull”

[opaque coyote]

I like to believe it's some random ass zealot

With silver armor

[raven stone]

Lol

[opaque coyote]

That this guy was just really good at ignoring all the pleasures

All in the task to kill a god

[raven stone]

Heresy of heresies, might even be a silver armoured Sister of Battle
So they can bring back that ONE character

You know which one

[opaque coyote]

Because the ending implies that what made the Knight fail was due to Slaanesh becoming the embodiment of innocence

Excess applies to a lot of things

Ironically enough, innocence is one of them

That's why Slaanesh changed to a androgynous being

And that's why the blade faltered

[raven stone]

Should have tried to logic bomb Slaanesh by desiring to see a perfect imitation of imperfection.

[opaque coyote]

Of course it could be interpreted in multiple eays

[outer wave]

Erm... Slay the Princesss coded.....

[raven stone]

Lol

[opaque coyote]

I mean it kinda is

Either way, I like to think of the Silver Knight as not an SM

In fact, most SMs fell to Chaos precisely because they lost enough humanity to yearn for it

It makes sense to me that it would be somebody who is human and with a love for humanity

But that virtue itself is what did him in

[wary fulcrum]

The one from the fantasy vision?

I think he’s a Stormcast now, a Hallowed Knight

[opaque coyote]

I think it's ported to 40k also

[celest dome]

I like the old old theory that it's one of the God of Law

[wary fulcrum]

From the Liber Chaotica?

[humble shoal]

What if its just a guy

[wary fulcrum]

I’m sure he’s in one of the earlier AoS books

[humble shoal]

Silver armor just an accident of being in the realms of pleasure

[wary fulcrum]

Like, they free him, he’s a Hallowed Knight Stormcast

Mortal Realm Podcast talk about it in one of their earlier books

Probably a Josh Reynolds one tbf

[humble shoal]

As he goes further in he becomes the perfect knight, which is his undoing

The silver knight was slaanesh all along

[opaque coyote]

Honestly this is my interpretation

[humble shoal]

Or its slaanesh

[opaque coyote]

It's just some dude or gal who just decided

[humble shoal]

Trying to kill slaanesh

[opaque coyote]

"Yeah I'm going to kill a Chaos God"

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's kinda what I think the tale is metaphorically

I don't think the Silver Knight is literally a part of Slaanesh.

Though it is definitely possible

Would be interesting if there was a virtuous part of Slaanesh that constantly tries to kill the rest. Because Chaos is inherently self defeating

But that part fails because it is still Slaanesh

[raven stone]

It could be the part of Slannesh whose obsession is virtue

Pretty much

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking

The general embodiment of Slaanesh that is the virtues of it.

Artistry, the pursuit of perfection, etc.

None of these things are inherently bad but Slaanesh is the embodiment of taking it to the max

To the point where it's bad regardless

Like how it's perfectly fine to want to become better at your craft

But Slaanesh is "going to the point where you skin people alive to use as modern art"

If I were to be pretentious, in a meta sense, it's a metaphor for the pursuit of perfection

It is impossible

Just like how the Silver Knight could never defeat Slaanesh/themself

The Knight seemingly stops just short.

But in reality, the distance is farther than you can ever comprehend

[opaque coyote]

But yeah I think in this lens, the Knight would be in a constant loop of trying to defeat Slaanesh

Only to fail at the same point

Again and again and again and again...

Because due to being a part of Slaanesh, the Knight can't physically give up

They're simply too virtuous, they want to slay the monster and save everyone

So that nobody else can suffer

But the problem is that trying to stop suffering itself would be impossible

[wary fulcrum]

It was in Plague Garden

The Silver Knight was Gardus Steel Soul

[opaque coyote]

Damn AoS actually answering the story

Smh

Jk

[opaque coyote]

But yeah the tale is also in 40k

Because a lot of things from fantasy and AoS got shoved in

Despite the fact that sometimes it really shouldn't have been

[wary fulcrum]

Where was it in 40k?

[opaque coyote]

40k Belakor is the embodiment of "WHAT DOES HE EVEN DO??"

[opaque coyote]

Chaos Daemons 8th Codex

[celest dome]

Please let him be the one orchestrating the whole Darktide affair 🙏

[vagrant fox]

I guess Gildar Rift is it

[fervent geode]

Gildarrift book has my vote

[vagrant fox]

you insult our local author

[wary fulcrum]

Then that won’t be gardus steel soul

That retcon was done to sever any connection between the two universes

[fervent geode]

Oh fuck

Phew

[opaque coyote]

Belakor in Fantasy/AoS: "I have successfully caused the end times and furthered my ascension into Godhood."

Belakor in 40k:

[fervent geode]

He fucks with Vashtorr ig

Thats it lmfao

[opaque coyote]

Yeah this is more in a 40k/metaphorical lense rather than AoS.

I mean in 40k, there's a popular theory that it's Kaldor Draigo but that's boring as fuck

[wary fulcrum]

So just a dude in armour wailing on daemons?

I’m sold

[fervent geode]

I hope Kaldor Draigo dead

[opaque coyote]

Yeah honestly it's either that or like @raven stone suggested

Part of Slaanesh itself

After all, Chaos is self defeating

Contradictory in it's very nature

It would make sense that the virtues of Slaanesh's concepts manfested within itself. Trying to defeat the rest in a pointless quest