40k-lore-chat

[solid horizon]

Trazyn has betty & barney hill

[jade holly]

Does Trazyn have The Red Baron’s plane in there?

[nocturne crest]

Imagine if Kermit the frog is in Trazyn's collection.

[vagrant fox]

Elvis from the classic Elvis Presley Rick and Morty theme?

[jade holly]

Shit he’s even got a Popeyes in here

[heady rivet]

Doesnt have her but has all the crabs that ate her

[rocky gale]

Emmeline Pankhurst is the British Suffragette

[raven stone]

…I am failing so hard right now 😅

[nocturne crest]

Tbh, the Suffrgettes got tainted in my mind when they started helping the government force men into joining ww1.

[fervent geode]

Trazyn has Konstantinos XI Dragases Palaialogos and Mehmed II in there, along with King Sebastian the Lost of Portugal and Emperor Antoku

[raven stone]

Is that for real? Never learned that bit in WW1 history…

[jade holly]

Guilliman is fighting the Plague Wars and invading Nurgle’s Garden

[fervent geode]

Some did iirc

[jade holly]

Lion’el Johnson meanwhile:

[arctic talon]

Some in Britain did

[jade holly]

https://tenor.com/view/malhari-bajirao-mastani-ranveer-gif-7192333

Idk what he was actually doing I just wanted to send that gif

[solid horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-lego-star-wars-star-wars-nintendo-ds-video-games-gif-25405418

fair enough

[rocky gale]

Yea they led the White Feather Campaign

[solid horizon]

we all have gifs we want to send

[raven stone]

Doing a dance with the Risen to celebrate they are no longer Fallen.

[rocky gale]

They would give white feathers to men who didn't enlist in order to identify them as a coward

[jade holly]

Me and the boys celebrating a successful siege of a Chaos planet (we had a 99% casualty rate and secured only one burned down settlement)

[raven stone]

Yikes

[vagrant fox]

w*men 🙂‍↔️

[raven stone]

Definitely 30k version, not sure about 40k version.

[arctic talon]

They also gave it to some people who came back from enlistment 💀

Which led to some suicides

Truly a British moment

[jade holly]

That reminds me of a guy in I think the Vietnam war and he was known as the White Feather. He was a sniper who wore a white feather in his hat to make himself an easier target for other snipers

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside I respect them for the woman’s rights voting thing

Not for the white feather thing

People can do both good and bad

[fervent geode]

True

[raven stone]

Compartmentalising history is essential

[arctic talon]

Nationalism moment

[raven stone]

Nothing is ever fully good or fully bad.

[arctic talon]

A lot of people also didn’t know the true horrors of what that war would be

Tbh

[solid horizon]

everything is mid

[rocky gale]

Yea the army introduced a badge for returning soldiers to wear and another badge for government officials to wear so that they wouldn't be targeted by the white feathers

[heady rivet]

Drunk diving kills many, but it also gets many to work on time. Therefore its impossible to say if its good or bad

[fervent geode]

Like Fritz Haber

[nocturne crest]

Tbh, they say it helped further the rights of Women's rights.

[arctic talon]

I’m going to kill you with a glass bottle

[jade holly]

Sabaton intensifies

[fervent geode]

He made all those fucking hellgases worthy of Mortarion

And also fertilisers and pesticides galore

[heady rivet]

I'm ready

[fervent geode]

Oh yeah father

[raven stone]

We haven’t had a truly globalised conflict for people to feel the bite of war, only those in active war zones feel it nowadays

[arctic talon]

Well that’s a little stupid lol

[rocky gale]

Not really, It's been suggested that the government was only willing to pass the 1918 voting reform act to give land owning women the vote because of the Suffragettes assistance with the White Feather Campaign

[arctic talon]

You know what that’s good I guess

lol

Good for them

[fervent geode]

WW2 was the closest we got and boy that was bad

From Papua to Poland

From Gibraltar to Guizhou

Hell

[jade holly]

I remember reading up on WW1 how it was this big thing and everyone was cheering and celebrating as people went off to war thinking it’d be a short war

[limpid granite]

the lion was sleeping so good it took a chaos invasion to finally wake him up

[fervent geode]

Over by christmas

That's how they always start

[jade holly]

Yep

[raven stone]

Pretty much…

As paradoxical as it is for me to say this - if we didn’t have nuclear weapons and the world fought a bit more, maybe people would treasure peace more.

What we have now, sadly, are a bunch of hyped up morons (who would normally have died in said never happened wars) screaming about wanting to do something to make themselves great again or whatever.

[fervent geode]

Maybe, but maybe Japan would be a hellscape

Who knows

[heady rivet]

Speaking of my least favorite trope in WW3 media is tactical nukes. Because the second one gets fired they all get fired

[fervent geode]

Sooner or later someone wouldve made the bomb

[jade holly]

good ole MAD

[raven stone]

Yea. Also true. Might not even have Japanese people left :/

[jade holly]

If one goes we all go

[fervent geode]

MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction)

[fervent geode]

Indeed, they were literally ready to fight to the end with literal wooden stick guns

Also maybe Taipei wouldve been cooked

I wouldnt like that

[heady rivet]

100 million shattered jewels, or something like that. The government plan to fight to the last before they realized the Americans would just delete cities in an instant

[raven stone]

The CCP of the 1940s/50s would definitely have cooked Taiwan in a bad way.

[fervent geode]

Yeah...

The white terror was bad

But uhhh

I know what happend there at the same time

[arctic talon]

Thank you KMT

[raven stone]

Even American side was a gamble, since they literally only had the 2 bombs.

[arctic talon]

Tbf it worked

[heady rivet]

The Japanese didnt know this, and one pilot they interrogated (Who knew NOTHING) just said "Uh, we got 100 of those"

[arctic talon]

An invasion of Japan would have been awful

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

[raven stone]

Modern China really was stuck with two bad choices back then, CCP or KMT.

[raven stone]

Fair, doesn’t stop it being an actual gamble on the US side though. Still, it did work.

[arctic talon]

The KMT had the more recently committed atrocities

lol

[heady rivet]

They still issue Purple Hearts they printed for that invasion. All American casualties since the end of WW2 combined still havent met the expectations of the home island invasions

[heady rivet]

I'm not a commie and hindsight is always 20/20 but had I been a Chinese peasant I woulda been Maos TOP guy fr

[jade holly]

It would’ve been excruciatingly brutal wars of attrition on EACH island leading up to the Japanese mainland no?

[fervent geode]

I can say February 28 was an atrocity and the TGC were very evil as with all of the White Terror, but knowing the cultural revolution and the great leap forward ehhhhhhhh

Maybe

Just maybe

Chiang was saner

[arctic talon]

The idea was to just shoot straight for Japan they were done island hopping

[heady rivet]

When you actually have a "Do not burn and pillage" rulebook for your army you get a lot of popular support

[rocky gale]

Na I would have been one of the based independent Warlords

[jade holly]

Oh yeah the island hopping already happened

[heady rivet]

Yeah they just took Okinawa, and it was Kyushu next

[arctic talon]

So you’d get brutally murdered by the Japanese or become a collaborator and get executed?

[heady rivet]

Well the plan was like every island at once

[arctic talon]

10/10

[raven stone]

I don’t blame you, and even from a West centric morality, I will never stop reminding people that KMT had backing from Hitler of all people (who, in his own weird way of being “good”, wanted Imperial Japan to ally with KMT to knock out CCP)

[fervent geode]

I would support Yan Xishan

Because uh

[rocky gale]

Have 30 wives, take bribes from both Japan and KMT

[fervent geode]

Shanxi funny man

[fervent geode]

Bro is not Zhang Zongchang

[rocky gale]

I could be

[limpid granite]

bad day to be a sparrow in china

[fervent geode]

He once saw kids playing basketball

[raven stone]

KMT also sent their officers into 1930s Wehrmacht for training.

[heady rivet]

You

[jade holly]

I always look at modern wars and wonder what generals of the past would have done

[fervent geode]

He gave all of them a ball

[fervent geode]

Maybe

[fervent geode]

Yknow they had him buried alive

[arctic talon]

He deserved it

lol

[fervent geode]

He was gonna defect to japan again

[fervent geode]

Defo

[heady rivet]

Hindsight 20/20 hence why I said if I were a Chinese peasant

[rocky gale]

Me fr

[fervent geode]

Yeap, Chiang Wei Kuo lmao

[jade holly]

Like what would Hannibal, Napoleon, Alexander, Peshwa Baji Rao I, Yi Sun-Sin and Saladin have done in the wars?

[fervent geode]

Fight

[jade holly]

Fair

[fervent geode]

Then again

Their opponents and situations are completely different

The Nizam of Hyderabad is not the level of fight as the Toyotomi fleet

[rocky gale]

Except like secretly I wouldn't even have any soldiers, I'd just be conning everyone into thinking I had a big army of bandit soldiers, then after like my 6th bribe and defection I'd just run away with all the money and buy like a villa in the Bahamas

[jade holly]

So Ratbag from Shadow of War

[fervent geode]

Or is Darius III's Achaemenids akin to Baldwin IV and Jerusalem

[arctic talon]

Tbh

It’s funny how both the KMT and CCP turned out

[fervent geode]

You wanna join the Beiyang Government atp?

[arctic talon]

As successful economies

[fervent geode]

True

[heady rivet]

John McAfee compound

[fervent geode]

Both did the same shit lmao

Afaik at least

[arctic talon]

Government subsidies out the ass yes

lol

Also the new KMT colors look lame

[nocturne crest]

New KMT?

[fervent geode]

State capitalism + eat my subsidies followed by mass liberalisation (less so in china but eh)

[celest dome]

https://www.reddit.com/r/taiwan/comments/1rm445w/the_kuomintang_kmt_released_their_new_visual/

[fervent geode]

Yeah they suck

[arctic talon]

Get this shit outta here

[fervent geode]

Wtf is Cheng Li Wun thinking

[raven stone]

Truly their logo making betrays their cultural heritage is still from China :p

[nocturne crest]

That's shit.

[celest dome]

North Korean looking a

[fervent geode]

If Sun Zhongshan had these colours the Qing would still be around

[jade holly]

Looks like a toothpaste brand

[arctic talon]

They’re trying to soften their image

[fervent geode]

Detergent, my grandpa says

[arctic talon]

Which is stupud

[limpid granite]

Vro you are not zhuge liang

[vagrant fox]

where's my beautiful white sun blue background

[arctic talon]

My grandpa went on a whole rant

[fervent geode]

Very stupid

[arctic talon]

lol

[rocky gale]

Fucking Kind Mindfulness Team

[fervent geode]

This aint zhuge liang ts zhang zongchang

[fervent geode]

Wowie thats a common thing

[jade holly]

When you call yourself the “Kind Mindfulness Team” I’m inclined to believe those are the things you’re not

[arctic talon]

I don’t like the KMT either lol

[fervent geode]

Same

[arctic talon]

But their new flag is for bitches

On god

[jade holly]

I don’t even know what KMT do nowadays

[fervent geode]

But now grandpa doesnt either

[jade holly]

Actually I didn’t realize they were a thing

I live under that much of a rock

[arctic talon]

Chinese reunification under Taiwanese rule

lol

[fervent geode]

Shill China, or ay least thats what grandpa says

[arctic talon]

Also yeah they’re China shills

Sorta

[fervent geode]

Well their supposed to do that

Not really anymore

[jade holly]

So instead of Taiwan being South China it’s China that’ll be West Taiwan

[raven stone]

I will be honest, a part of why Mainland China people don’t look too kindly on Taiwan issue is that you do get Taiwanese people who are like “we are not Chinese, we are Taiwanese” on a racial level.

Like bro, just cause you have a different political entity doesn’t stop you from being biologically Chinese…

(I am aware CCP itself abuses this line of thinking a bit, but sadly, some Taiwanese people use this as a sort of biological demarcation anyways)

[fervent geode]

Nah itll be the 中華民國 (Republic of China)

[raven stone]

Chinese people can be the most racist people on Earth. We can be racists against our own kind

[fervent geode]

True

[arctic talon]

馬英九 sucked Xi’s dick too hard

[raven stone]

And not as a joke, but genuinely mean it

[arctic talon]

Oh wrong reply

[jade holly]

Nah nah commit to it now

[fervent geode]

I say Taiwan has developed culture unique over the century or so the qing lost it

But i get wym

[fervent geode]

Didnt he just go visit china again a while ago

[arctic talon]

Taiwan has its own unique culture but most of it’s people are still ethnically Chinese

[arctic talon]

Yes

[vagrant fox]

you should reconsider

[arctic talon]

Which my grandpa complained about

[arctic talon]

I don’t like the modern KMT

[fervent geode]

Waow

[fervent geode]

Same

[rocky gale]

I just realised I never explained why it's Paddy and not Patty, it's because his name isn't St Patrick that's just an anglicisation of his name, he was St Padraig.

[fervent geode]

Padraig Piarais

Idk

Sounded cool

[raven stone]

Ohh thank you for the Irish culture lesson 🙏

[arctic talon]

My grandpa btw isn’t even a hardliner for Taiwan independence

lol

[vagrant fox]

Ok keep going

[arctic talon]

My grandma is

But my grandpa isn’t

[heady rivet]

I just figured it was Anglo racism

[fervent geode]

Lmao mine is just with the china hate boner, prob from his dad

[arctic talon]

Tbh the only people who can call themselves that are aborigineese or part aborigineese

Imo

[fervent geode]

Thats true tbh

They were here first

[raven stone]

Completely fair, and I also have to remind people that the ethically Chinese part of the Taiwan population is sometimes treating them unfairly too.

[fervent geode]

Everyone else came from Fujian or somewhere in china

[arctic talon]

Yeah

lol

[raven stone]

Actually funny thing is that HK is kind of the same.

It didn’t really exist as a city until the Brits decided to develop it

[rocky gale]

Ireland has like 3 main Saints, St Padraig, St Brigid and St Colmcille, but of course because of the English they're known as St Patrick, St Brigitte and St Columba

[raven stone]

That then attracted a lot of economic migrants to begin with

It is only after WW2 that the exodus fleeing Communism began the 2nd massive wave of “immigration”

[fervent geode]

All of yall Ip Man fans better rmb thats why he went to HK

Even if the movie says otherwise smh

[celest dome]

wah ?

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/fact-checked-true-cowpoke-pooner-qianlong-gif-3827914201118197286

[fervent geode]

Bruce Lee's sifu i guess went to HK post 1949 coz he was running from the reds iirc

I think he was in the KMT police but i dont remember for sure

[raven stone]

(Sifu=coach/instructor/master combined role)

[fervent geode]

Oh yeah

His master

[vagrant fox]

not a video game?

[fervent geode]

Also a video gane

[spring cairn]

the video game is fucking sick btw

[arctic talon]

Tbf the KMT secret police wereclike

Horrific lol

[heady rivet]

https://youtu.be/pGmJyBCXd8I

[fervent geode]

Werent they just nabbing and torturing people for like

Oh you are like democracy, thats anti democracy you communist

There's a game about it

[arctic talon]

They were just looking for reasons

lol

They had quotas

[raven stone]

KMT were pretty much fascists, was why Hitler was puzzled at them not getting along with Imperial Japan
(…pretty much shows cluelessness of the East goes that far back too)

[fervent geode]

Yeah they were fucked

[arctic talon]

The dream of the KMT’s socialist ideals pretty much died with Sun

lol

And then they died even harder when Chiang took power

[fervent geode]

They were kinda like borderline fash nationalist authoritarians, tbh the KMT were too ideologically huh to he outright fash as whole, even if Dai Li was one

[fervent geode]

If only a few years longer, i wonder what wouldve happened

[opaque coyote]

Poor Sun Yat-sen

[jade holly]

Wait Dai Li is a real thing??

[opaque coyote]

Bro was just fucked over at every turn

[jade holly]

And not made by ATLA??

[arctic talon]

Yes

[fervent geode]

A while back i went to his memorial in penang

[rocky gale]

Yea the Dai Li in Avatar were named after him

[jade holly]

I am so fucking stupid lmao

[fervent geode]

It was a fascist secret police man

[jade holly]

[arctic talon]

The Dai Li in ATLA was named after the head of the KMT secret police

[fervent geode]

Chinese Himmler iirc

[arctic talon]

And lake Lao Gai is named after the CCP’s re education labor camps

lol

[opaque coyote]

Avatar has a lot of Asian symbolism and such as a part of it's lore

[arctic talon]

It’s very fun

[opaque coyote]

Combined with it's own spin of course

[fervent geode]

Ye

[opaque coyote]

Even Korra had Capital City be based off of chinese cities back in the 1900s

[celest dome]

Weren't/Aren't all the Bending based on various Asian Martial arts ?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[fervent geode]

He got shot down in plane crash

[celest dome]

Like Fire=Karate

God

[fervent geode]

Either commies or americans or both

[jade holly]

Isn’t Earthbending based on Kung Fu?

[celest dome]

Was the Fire Nation just meant to be the Japanese attacking in WW2

[jade holly]

and wrestling

[raven stone]

Korra arcs pretty much mirror the identity crisis China had when trying to modernise (and solved pretty badly historically IMHO)
How much modernisation will make China stop being culturally China?

[fervent geode]

I think so lmao

[arctic talon]

The fire nation is based on imperial Japan yes

[celest dome]

I just fucking got it 💀

[heady rivet]

With some Thailand too

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[jade holly]

Wait until you learn the Earth King’s temple is just the Forbidden City

[fervent geode]

None atp, they tried so hard to destroy it in the Cultural Revolution but it didnt work at all

Well despite what my grandparents think

[celest dome]

I don't know what the Forbidden City is, is it the place the Emperor lived in ?

[arctic talon]

They’re trying to revive it now

lol

[fervent geode]

Basically his private palace compound

[raven stone]

Yea, and it says a lot about the CR that even modern CCP admits that was a mistake (despite Mao portraits still being a thing)

[arctic talon]

The cultural revolution and Great Leap Forward are both part of the 30%

[fervent geode]

The whole new red culture didt work out i guess

[jade holly]

This place

[arctic talon]

70% right 30% wrong lul

That’s the whole thing

Mao was right 70% of the time

[fervent geode]

As elite said 70% good 30% ass

[arctic talon]

Wrong 30% of the time

[fervent geode]

My grandpa says mao shouldve died in 1945 and then he'd like mao

[arctic talon]

There’s also some weird revisionism around Chiang Kai Shek

Tbh

[raven stone]

It’s more a miracle they admitted anyhting lol

[arctic talon]

It’s really fucking weird

lol

[rocky gale]

The Forbidden City was essentially a palace where the Emperor was trapped, they weren't really allowed to leave unless for special occasions

[arctic talon]

Like saying Chiang was as good if not better then Mao but he was also an asshole

[fervent geode]

Press gang slavery is a good recruitment method - chiang apprently

[arctic talon]

Which is why he lost

💀

[jade holly]

Yeah didn’t being Emperor kinda suck?

[arctic talon]

Like wtf lol

[fervent geode]

Chiang was a massive ass

[arctic talon]

Chiang was a piece of shit lol

[fervent geode]

But a little saner maybe

Still an asshole

[arctic talon]

Mao and Chaing were in a race to the bottom

Mao just hit it first

[fervent geode]

Mao won bevause he knew how to fight wars lmfao

[arctic talon]

lol

[raven stone]

It kinda did. Chinese Emperors were weirdly limited by their own advisors and distant governors (who liked ignoring central orders and doing their own thing.)

It’s so culturally embedded this is still true with the CCP structure.

[fervent geode]

I mean not really

[heady rivet]

Lots of eunuchs though, thats chill

[fervent geode]

Depends

If you wanna rule it could suck alot

[jade holly]

Eunuchs that planned to manipulate you to benefit their own gain

[fervent geode]

If you wanna fuck around (literally) and lounge around

Lifes good

[raven stone]

Some enuchs could be bribed into planning to overthrow you, so…

[fervent geode]

Ask Zhengde

[vagrant fox]

like beating a puppy

[jade holly]

I keep seeing Shek and my mind wants to autocorrect to Shrek

[heady rivet]

Which side are YOU on?
Eunuchs 🟥
Concubines 🟦

[raven stone]

Shrek Brainrot is real

[jade holly]

Shrekification

[fervent geode]

He said if he died a dictator he'd go to hell because that's where dictators go

[jade holly]

As in I am one or I’m with that group?

[fervent geode]

So according to Chiang, Chiang should rot in hell

Funny

[vagrant fox]

It was just banter

[arctic talon]

Chaing Kai Shrek

[opaque coyote]

Yup

Water was based on Tai Chi, which is entirely based on going with the flow.

Earth was based on Hung Ga. A kung fu moveset based entirely on stability and powerful attacks. It's well known for its use of simultaneously attacking and blocking.

Toph in particular is based on the Southern Praying Mantis style.

Fire is based on Northern Shaolin generally emphasize long range techniques, quick advances and retreats, wide stances, kicking and leaping techniques, whirling circular blocks, quickness, agility, and aggressive attacks.

Basically extremely offensive.

And finally, airbending is based on Baguazhang or "eight trigram palm". Which is said to be learned from Buddhist and Taoist monks.

Although Chinese authorities don't accept the Buddhist origins. Mainly focusing on the taoism. With their evidence due to how it frequently focuses on the core tenants of Taoism. Yin and Yang and all that shit

[raven stone]

Yea even the fucking concubines could be part of the political game (using feminine wiles to influence your choice of ministers) so…

[fervent geode]

Pull the shrek edit

[vagrant fox]

that's crazy, it exists

[fervent geode]

Buddhism and Taoism started mixing alot time ago and thatll never be reversed atp

[fervent geode]

Chiang, Dai Li and Yan Xishan pictured

[vagrant fox]

this one's a bit better

[celest dome]

Ah, so not Karate, good to know

[fervent geode]

In the Zhongshan suit drip

[raven stone]

As a side note: Buddhism itself usually prefers to integrate into local practices, so in a weird sort of way the CCP is not completely to blame for any seeming form of cultural appropriation.

[fervent geode]

Tbh Buddhism became part of it

[jade holly]

Shrekification is real 🗣️ 🔥

[opaque coyote]

Karate is entirely Japanese.

Also, it's worth noting that modern bending in Korra is based on wrestling. More specifically MMA styles.

[fervent geode]

Not so much appropriation as assimilation

[raven stone]

Yea, pretty much.

[opaque coyote]

I'm sharing this with my dad

[jade holly]

Ngl wasn’t too big a fan of Korra, the main group didn’t resonate with me as much as Team Avatar

[fervent geode]

Despite like all the Emperor who tried to destroy buddhism it just came back

[jade holly]

Like none of them were too likeable to me besides Bolin but then he was just a worse Sokka

Comedy wise

[fervent geode]

Then again those emperors also invested in taoist alchemy to basically commit suicide on accident for longevity

[vagrant fox]

Most iconic clothing that would inspire the glorious battlesuit of Kim Jong-Il

[opaque coyote]

I agree

[raven stone]

One of the Emperors actually became a Buddhist to the point of forbidding killing animals. Yes. The whole “Buddhists are vegetarian” thing is a strictly Chinese legacy invention thing that didn’t come from India.

[fervent geode]

1000 vials of red lead and a river of mercury please btw

[opaque coyote]

I generally think Korra was generally worse than

ATLA

But I don't think it's bad

[fervent geode]

Amazing sigma design

[jade holly]

And now the new show they’re making they outright say Korra ruined everything lmao

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I think it's good on its own merits

[fervent geode]

Wasnt that one of Wu Zetian'e puppets

Or Wu Zetian when she went senile

[opaque coyote]

Tbf

That's an avatar tradition.

One of the previous Avatars made the Dai Li

[fervent geode]

I might be high

[raven stone]

Maybe, not familiar enough with who did that 😅

[fervent geode]

Fairs

[jade holly]

Lemme guess, Kyoshi?

[fervent geode]

Too many insaniacs

[opaque coyote]

Yup

[jade holly]

Figured

Kyoshi was basically a villain lmao

[raven stone]

Mandate from Heaven be like that apparently…

[fervent geode]

Kyoshi Kai Shrek

[fervent geode]

If heaven didnt like him, we'd go up there and kill him!

Wait....

[vagrant fox]

Wasn't it Xiao Yan

[rocky gale]

It's a recurring theme of Avatar that the previous Avatar somehow causes the problems of the next Avatar

[fervent geode]

I need to check

[jade holly]

Ashrektus Mechanicus

[fervent geode]

But im pretty sure it was a Tang Emperor

[vagrant fox]

Too many emperors and goons to keep track of

[lament shoal]

Sending this to my history major friend lol

[jade holly]

Friendly reminder that’s also the origin of BREXIT

[jade holly]

King Henry VIII wanted a divorce, and the Catholic church wouldn’t allow it

[opaque coyote]

Tbf to her, the Dai Li were originally meant to be what it was stated.

To protect the cultural heritage of Ba Sing Se. They were still secret police but it was closer to say... the FBI during it's early years than the fucking Gestapo. Still not good but also not necessarily bad either.

Her spirit later told Aang that she immensely regretted it because she had no idea that it would end up as corrupt as it is. And if she went back, she would've never formed it

[fervent geode]

Liang Wu Di (Xiao Yan) was a sane buddhist who established a confucian civil service in Xiao Liang (of which he was first emperor)

Too sane

He did ban animal sacrifice tho

[raven stone]

I mean this a little bit of Buddhism too, surprisingly, because of the whole thing in reincarnation.
Basically, your previous life did…somethings, and because the effects were not reflected in your previous life, you will feel the effects this life instead.
But it is also outside of the human time frame to draw direct correlation or causes, one would need to transcend the current human existence to actually know the full causality link (caveat being that, by the time you are truly so enlightened, you won’t exist as a human)

[vagrant fox]

too many emperors and goons to keep track of indeed

[fervent geode]

Indeed

[heady rivet]

Anything for the concubines

[fervent geode]

And now apparently maybe he did lose his nuts and ban meat

Idfk anynore

[limpid granite]

https://www.vxinstagram.com/reel/DVk5OPYCYEF/?igsh=a3MzaDJ2YjV1Yjg0

[fervent geode]

I remember when the last King of Shang skinned a guy for his concubine

Or the time she had a pregnant women cut open

In public

[vagrant fox]

Shit happens ig

[fervent geode]

Being emperor is stressful ig

Makes you wanna have a lake of alcohol

Or have a specific meal request everyday and execute chefs who fail to use "imperial quality ingredient"

[opaque coyote]

So she was less a villain and more so closer to actual leading figures.

If there was a show about Kyoshi, it would be PG-13 at least because of how messed up her story is

All of her choices are basically

[vagrant fox]

me with my chickpeas rn I definitely get it

[opaque coyote]

"the best bad choice at the time"

[vagrant fox]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/780813526566436904/1464318303525929113/m2-res_854p.mp4?ex=69b05bb1&is=69af0a31&hm=8b8dd131c0b56812eb9447870760a103420c9eb0f9673c7d5815efc76954e875&

quite mesmerized by this one

[opaque coyote]

She basically had no good choices due to how politically fucked the world was at the time.

Aang at least had an obvious bad guy

[vagrant fox]

I should've decided to learn chinese instead of japanese I could've been a douyin memelord

[opaque coyote]

For her, the bad guy was basically her own corrupt government

[daring creek]

Thats ai right

[opaque coyote]

That she had to try to reform

...despite being a literal orphan and then servant

[jade holly]

POV: Guan Yu while he was being held captive

[opaque coyote]

She also did actually bring prosperity to the Earth Kingdom

Enough to the point where they easily lasted the longest against the Fire Lord and his Armies

While every other nation kinda got steam rolled

The Earth Kingdom lasted decades upon decades and still is a well intact nation

Despite the obvious flaws

[daring creek]

Why horses here :(

[opaque coyote]

Contrast that with the Southern Water Tribe which got devasted to the point where there's only one water bender left

The Air Nomads who were all genocided

Etc.

[vagrant fox]

Chilling relaxing

[opaque coyote]

Although tbf, the Air Nomads were taken via the comet in a surprise attack

And also were monks

Who really weren't interested in fighting a wat

Although I kinda wish we got to see like

The equivalent of Buddhist Warrior Monks for the Air Nomads

Since not all Air Nomads would be pacifists statistically

[raven stone]

Talking of which, another bit of historical pet peeve.
People blame the CCP for causing lots of abortions of baby girls.

But I would like to clarify: the CCP only ever made the One Child Policy without specifying gender.
It is the citizens who were so hard headed culturally, they aborted or abandoned baby girls en masse.

[opaque coyote]

Tbf part of it is culture

Girls were seen to be worth much less than boys

If you were to only have one kid

You wanted it to be a boy

Does that excuse anything?

Fuck no

Does that explain it?

Yes

[raven stone]

One of the very few cultural things the CCP were right to try to remove TBH, even for all their issues and errors.

[opaque coyote]

The problem is that it's hard to remove a concept that lasted literally thousands of years

We are still struggling with it

[raven stone]

And ofc one can blame the CCP for “not seeing their own citizens will stoop to such lows”

Which, part of the duty of a policy maker, is understanding how people could react to your rules.

[opaque coyote]

The CCP (and Mao's) policies can basically be summarized as

"Okay so it looks good until you think about it for more than a minute"

[raven stone]

Pretty much

[opaque coyote]

"Oops"™

[raven stone]

They do share the very Western characteristic of thinking “we can legislate away human behaviour”

[opaque coyote]

And all of the fuck ups happened to be the really big ones

Y'know the ones that matter the most

Like food

Population

[lament shoal]

What sucks is that harsh punishment doesn't serve as a good way to deter bad behavior either

It's difficult

[opaque coyote]

Punishment just makes people want to do it more

Spite is a surprisingly powerful motivator

And if you never address the factors that causes people to do the bad thing in the first place

Then...

Uhhhh

[raven stone]

Yea very much so…harsh punishment kind of just incurs a “high risk, high reward” mentality weirdly enough.

[opaque coyote]

Like crime is caused by inequalities.

Sure there are some people who want to do it for shits and giggles.

But like most are generally just

[lament shoal]

As much as I would love to make stoning kkk members legal, its not gonna stop them from being pricks

[opaque coyote]

"Well I can't find a job. I have applied to thousands of companies only for them all to deny me."

"Guess I'll just turn to crime since I literally have nothing else "

[daring creek]

What is the ccps government anyway

Like. How does it work

[opaque coyote]

It's a Republic

[lament shoal]

Authoritarian capitalism essentially

[raven stone]

It’s a miracle CCP made the comeback it did. For all the faults they still have.

[daring creek]

Yeah china always just looked capitalist to me frankly

[raven stone]

Socially and politically they are still very Communist, but they decided to let the majority of market be Capitalist.

Got their head out of their asses (unlike other Communist regimes) and decided people being able to feed themselves and make money for themselves (mostly*) is good for control.

[lament shoal]

Its highly regulated capitalism tho

Government monitors and controls everything

[raven stone]

Well, highly regulated in the fields that are deemed strategic. So traditional steel, defence, finances…
The more you move into luxury goods, the more nominal the control becomes (I.e. the guy holding majority shares might be CCP but if you want to make perfume, go nuts.)

[opaque coyote]

Still though they do commit human rights violations.

Some would say the US is worse.

And that's probably the case now

But before Trump, I definitely don't think it was worse than China in terms of the rights department

China is still not very good at the human rights part

[raven stone]

Yea, CCP still has dirty things in their closet, but their modern track record has reached the level of “who doesn’t have dirty shit” instead of “what the fuck are you guys doing it for.”

[lament shoal]

Jinping was in fact the one who started the ethic cleansing of Muslims in one of the Chinese regions

[opaque coyote]

And the CCP, like every government, ignores it.

Also the great firewall doesn't help

[opaque coyote]

Yup

Like I said. Probably worse than the US still.

Though that might change

[raven stone]

To be clear it is more a cultural cleanse. Not dead bodies but stamping out a culture.
But then looking at Muslims in the UK and what they are doing…my darker half wonders whether there is a point after all.

(Basically in UK you get Muslim idiots pushing to have Sharia law. For reasons.)

[storm jungle]

If you remove muslims from the UK the entire nation will starve from a lack of foreign food

[opaque coyote]

Dumbasses are dumbasses.

The USA got a similar problem but it's Christian

[rocky gale]

The Chinese will provide for us

With delicious Spice Bags

[raven stone]

You suggesting an Irish Chinese axis was not on my bingo card for this year XD

[opaque coyote]

But in general, the problem is that trying to culturally cleanse people

A) Gives the dumbasses an actual point

B) Is also just bad morally like seriously dude some of them are literally just trying to live

[rocky gale]

We actually have quite a big Chinese population

[opaque coyote]

Like for 1 dumbass who stabs somebody because they're a woman not covering their legs. There's at least 10 who are like

"What the fuck is wrong with this guy?"

The problem is that dumbass is quite loud

And the worst part is that being loud and confident is how you attract people

We are social creatures, we are attracted towards confidence

That's why every authoritarian leader was great at having firey speeches and rhetoric

[lament shoal]

Also doesn't help that said fascist leaders took advantage of the fact that their respective nations at the time were struggling greatly and were desperate for ANYTHING that could make things better

[opaque coyote]

It always just made it worse instead

Italy moment

Germany moment

[rocky gale]

Think Asians are like 4%-5% of the population, which is the biggest group after white

[raven stone]

And a bit more dark humor about modern CCP…

They wouldn’t like dead bodies because it means less labour force to meet Five Year Plan quotas with.
Yes, CCP still have 5 years plans, but unlike Soviet micro control, the CCP 5 Year plans are more “these are the targets we want to meet in 5 years, now go and figure out how to meet that through a Capitalist market.”

[lament shoal]

Yeah, their economies boomed because of the massive military expansion, but then that led them to get bombed to hell and back to square one

[raven stone]

“Oh and if you fail you get demoted or jailed for corruption.”

[opaque coyote]

Tbf five year plans aren't necessarily bad.

The problem is that you have to give some leeway unlike Stalin who uh

Didn't

And therefore "Oh wow everyone's starving to death!"

[lament shoal]

The solution to this would be to simply not be a genocidal fascist asshole

[opaque coyote]

Also despite China controlling their economy.

The economy still has a say

[lament shoal]

Crazy how that's so hard for some people

[opaque coyote]

If the economy demands something, China will produce that something

[raven stone]

Pretty much. Short of politically sensitive things, if people want it, CCP will plan for it.
…

Weirdly it means Chinese ciitzens really are “voting” with their wallets.

[opaque coyote]

Everyone votes with their wallets

Problem is that we're stupid

With money in particular

We can be lead on

Why do you think Enshittification is a thing

You're gonna go somewhere else?

Okay then, where else are you gonna watch videos?

Fucking Dailymotion?

This is also why YouTube hates adblockers

Because they are effectively an alternative

A free one

[raven stone]

I mean the issue is tech giants just became the dominant players by sheer chance and luck, not even by plan.

[opaque coyote]

Tbf yeah. Although nobody ever plans for it

They provided a service, and people liked it enough to have it grow

[languid meadow]

https://fxtwitter.com/Fusters_/status/2030807082794950660?s=20

Jacob (@Fusters_)

Think we killed this guy in real life

**💬 65 🔁 2.0K ❤️ 20.4K 👁️ 772.2K **

▶ Play video

FxTwitter · Mar 9, 2026, 12:45 AM

[opaque coyote]

Bro was playing in VR

The SAO type of VR

That was his brain melting

[lament shoal]

Honestly I feel like china is currently the country that most closely mirrors the imperium lol

[raven stone]

Sounds like guy was getting Afghanistan/Iraq PTSD flashbacks…

[opaque coyote]

I would say North Korea

Russia

Detroit

Ohio Cleveland

Etc

Are more than China

Especially since now the air is cleaner

[raven stone]

Russia a bit more so. China not religious enough nowadays (they even managed to lose the whole cult of personality thing a bit. Yes Xi is trying to bring it back but his progress is mid, it has long yet to reach Mao era levels.)

[lament shoal]

China's got them hive cities

[opaque coyote]

It definitely looked closer to a hive city when the air was extremely smoggy

[raven stone]

Though Hive Cities is a fair thing…but that can be said of most East Asian mega cities :p

[opaque coyote]

Xi recently removed term limit for his position

Nobody really cared

I don't really hear many people actually revere Xi

For authoritarian leaders, he's quite mid

[lament shoal]

Yeah I can definitely see it being russia. Putin would 100% bring back the Soviet union if he could lmao

[opaque coyote]

He's trying

Even reenacting the War of the Winter

Jokes aside, I definitely think he wants to. But Ukraine is such a roadblock that even if Russia somehow wins right now.

I doubt they'll have the strength or will to continue past

[lament shoal]

Yeah Ukraine has been putting up a good fight

[raven stone]

Guy is weirdly sane for a dictator and, weirdly, we have the cultural legacy of Chinese court culture to thank for that. No matter how many corruption purges he does, he is always only one mistake away from someone inside CCP to remove him.
As much as he likes to pretend so, his control over armed forces is not absolute either.

[limpid granite]

its been a 4 year long stalemate at this point

[opaque coyote]

I don't believe that Russia will collapse but I definitely think they won't start any new wars because they're resorting to fucking North Korea soldiers

And WW2 weapons

Their soldiers literally have to buy their own gear

[lament shoal]

You just KNOW said "corruption" purges is just his name for getting rid of political opposition

[opaque coyote]

I do generally wish it would collapse though because fuck Putin

[lament shoal]

Yeah he's a psycho

[raven stone]

Pretty much on the Russia side, only one of two things will really stop Putin.
(1) His own inner circle gets tired of him collectively
(2) They run out of Cold War era stocked up war materials.

[lament shoal]

He's extremely paranoid though, so it would take a largely collective coup to get rid of hin

[opaque coyote]

I don't believe that Trump is a Putin puppet

Primarily because he's a fucking dumbass that tried to offer to nuke a tornado. It's quite hard to control somebody so egotistical.

He might have blackmail and influenced some of his actions. But he definitely only has strings on one of his arms

The rest are flailing around and blaming Mexicans or something

[raven stone]

Not surprising, but at the same time some of corruption charges are pretty genuine, if horrendously backdated (another deliberate flaw of the Chinese legal system)

[opaque coyote]

China's prison system is worse than the USA's

Which

Says a lot

[lament shoal]

Adeptus administratum irl?

[opaque coyote]

And I'm not even talking about organ harvesting death row inmates

Because well, they're dead.

It's more so just how they treat prisoners in general

[lament shoal]

Well they do also steal organs from healthy people they kidnap💀

[opaque coyote]

It's still bad tbf but like

[raven stone]

I am always puzzled at how Falun Gong tries to say they do it whilst the prisoner is alive…when really, given the death sentence is still a thing, that is just…needless.

[opaque coyote]

Tbf, organ harvesting is better when they're alive.

Some organs like the heart are useless if the patient is dead

[raven stone]

TBF this crime is nowadays more likely done by “private sector” Chinese criminals looking to make a quick buck.

[lament shoal]

I've seen Chinese people here publicly protesting the ccp doing this to healthy civilians

[opaque coyote]

Falun Gong is the equivalent of

"They have a couple of points about the Chinese government but also they're so unpleasant themselves that even some anti-CCP YouTubers tell them to fuck off"

[raven stone]

Yea end of the day, they are also a cult.

[opaque coyote]

It's like when Homelander was confused and kinda disgusted at Storm front yapping about the Master Race

[raven stone]

I will be honest, I lived long enough to like to think it actually is no longer a thing (millennial), but at the same time if it is still a thing I won’t be surprised either.

[opaque coyote]

They probably are

But it'll never be confirmed

Because if they are then the CCP will make sure nobody will confirm it

[raven stone]

I mean, if the lackeys are ever found they will be disowned anyways.

[lament shoal]

Honestly I believe it. All authoritarian regimes are evil

[opaque coyote]

In general the CCP is fucked up

I wish it would crumble. But it's also a government

And it isn't the worst

But that's like comparing skin cancer with brain cancer

It's still cancer

[raven stone]

Basically CCP has done enough that a slow gradual death would be better for modern China

Instead of US imagined bomb-and-gone styled revolution.

[opaque coyote]

Speaking of gradual deaths.

If there is one (unintentional) good thing Trump did

It's to expose the faults of the system to everyone

And being so incompetent that some of his support base are like

"dude this shit is fucked"

Although definitely not all

This might be a opportunity for reform

...if we can survive

Although that part is

Difficult

[raven stone]

We live in interesting times for sure.

[opaque coyote]

It's also funny seeing Neo Nazis turn on Trump

Since they are

Apparently they don't like pedophiles

[raven stone]

Even my own fucking job is in interesting times, there are early signs layoffs might be coming and I might be one of them.
…

But that having been said, everyone would be surprised…
I really don’t mind if they remove me.

[raven stone]

Americans when they realize Trump has not arrested anyone in Epstein Files and started a war instead.

[opaque coyote]

There's also the fact that

Well... the Voting system itself has issues

Single issue voter monent

People blame the education standards

And tbf they're not wrong

But part of it is also just

Human nature

Single nature voters exist cause they really only care about one thing.

Which is why separate issue and policy voting needs to be more of a thing

But nooo

We have to vote in a president that decides everything

[raven stone]

That says a lot about how the Fouding Fathers don’t realize they are affected by so much groupthink

[opaque coyote]

Tbf I don't think the founding fathers predicted this

And I also think they expected

"People will change and reform the system when needed!"

Tbf it's not like they were perfect human beings but like

I don't think they thought that we would mostly keep it (relatively) the same like 200 years later

[raven stone]

Imagine if you resurrected them, gave them the situation of US nowadays, and the first thing they suggest is…

… “ok, yea, sounds like first order of business is removing the 2nd amendment.”

[opaque coyote]

They would end up arguing tbh. Some of them had different opinions compared to the others

They also wanted to remove slavery but they hesitated because they didn't want a civil war

While they were fighting the British

Kicking the can down the road

[raven stone]

Oddly prescient about that though

[opaque coyote]

Because they had more pressing issues

[opaque coyote]

Tbf anybody could've seen it coming.

It's just that they didn't want to address the elephant in the room

"We are a country that guarantees the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness!"

Slavery:

https://tenor.com/view/address-me-gif-3314967408153193330

It was a combination of not wanting to start a civil war, slavery making fucking bank, and the South generally being

Kinda weird ngl

That made it so that nobody really wanted to tackle it until it was too late

It's like procrastinating on your HW assignment

Only that HW is stopping slavery.

It's a bit funny

To summarize, Slavery generally wasn't tackled back then because the newly formed USA was too busy fighting a war against the largest navy power in the world.

Does that excuse Slavery itself?

No lmao

But that's generally the reason why the Founding Fathers put it off

Also heavy compartmentization since some of them owned slaves

And the ones that owned slaves, like Thomas Jefferson, wanted to abolish slavery

Cognitive Dissonance moment

Don't think about it

There is no logic to it

[heady rivet]

https://fixvx.com/PalmyrPar/status/2031070800862675436

☀️AliquisNovus☀️ (@PalmyrPar)

COG [Chocolatier-Occupied Government]

QRT: FightStorage
When Trump raves about a reporter’s face card despite his press secretary’s advice against it: ‘You’re very beautiful. I’m not allowed to say that anymore; it’s politically incorrect, but you are beautiful!.’ 👀

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Mar 9, 2026, 6:13 PM

[outer wave]

Doesnt Trump like hate blacks?

I guess its just the usual shit he will ramble about

[celest dome]

Dementia

And his racism being tied to making money

[outer wave]

Yeah thats pretty fair

Unrelated to all of this, question: has there been incidents in 40k where GSCs have taken over a world, but they took it over way too quickly before tyranids have been able to respond? If so, what does a GSC world look like exactly?

[jade holly]

I always thought they were a shock troop esque sort of invasion

Do it the day of

Hence the name Day of Ascension

[raven stone]

Like any normal world TBH
If that one incident about 2/3rds of an entire world just surrendering to Tyranids on arrival is anything to go by

If nothing else, they will keep the semblance of normality for as long as is needed

So as to ensure their progeny can spread deeper and further through repeated exports

[jade holly]

Fun fact: the IW combat patrol is 725 points of models

[outer wave]

Yeah I could see GSC worlds being mass exporters of purestrains and neophytes

Not to mention mining equipment and smuggled in goods

[raven stone]

And even tainted regiments if Administratum demanded the manpower.

[outer wave]

Oh yeah due to the Bladed Cog

Or no

Hivecult

[outer wave]

Cant even play a 500 point with it, damn

[raven stone]

GSC will always fight or work aligned with any and all Imperial interests to ensure their food is kept fresh for Nids

Rarely they will fight against each other, unless one cult has infiltrated Imperium, the other infiltrated T’au

In which case they will engineer a false flag war to wear both of them out

Until Nids arrive to eat everything.

(IIRC is the plot of one of the Cain novels)

[jade holly]

Yeah, it has 5 Termies so 360, 5 Havocs which is 170, 10 Legionaries which is 170 and a Warpsmith which is 70

[outer wave]

Id imagine infighting could come about from cults that have differing ideas of what the Star Children are supposed to represent, exactly. That or they got raised with a different set of morals and ideals (like imperium cults vs tau cults)

[outer wave]

Breh

[raven stone]

Could also be Hive mind deciding one of the Cults needed culling for genetic impurities, yea.

(Considering such things do happen, as malstrains on Necromunda sort of demonstrates)

…come to think of it

A valid campaign for a Necromunda GS cult

Could be to wipe out the malstrains so their masters can come and feed…

[outer wave]

Could be but food is food at the end of the day; only time that I could see that being a thing is if they're dealing with a Malstrain situation

[raven stone]

Pretty much

[outer wave]

Like a genestealer cult being established in something a little unusual (like I dunno, chaos cultists or somehow orks) I doubt the hivemind would give a shit

[jade holly]

If anything that’s a steal for $170 since combat patrols are roughly 500 points

And you get a free upgrade kit along with it?

[outer wave]

Much as Id love actual kits, I think sticking to TTS for this sort of stuff will be my choice for now not that I play either or

[storm jungle]

They literally just carry on really, its like that show Pluribus

theres cases where GSC take over entire systems and wait for centuries

which is kinda nuts lol

[outer wave]

Thats insane

But I imagine its basically normal imperium world, but with purestrains roaming about to make sure that the peace is kept?

[storm jungle]

Basically yeah

GSC dont really infight ever

they are a connected broodmind

[raven stone]

They would still keep pure strains hidden TBH,
But otherwise life as normal.

[storm jungle]

they are the perfect form of a cult

[jade holly]

Wait you mean to tell me you could make a GSC plot that’s just Invader Zim?

[storm jungle]

Correct

[jade holly]

That’s fucking amazing lmao

[storm jungle]

i made an entire entry on this on their main lexipage

[outer wave]

But if people saw them during the massive uprising and those normal people fought in spite of them, would they still give a shit?

[storm jungle]

the new codexes have it so that GSC can go off-world as an entire cutl to other places

and even be fleetbased

[jade holly]

Just one Inqusitor onto the GSC but no one believes him

[outer wave]

Like I imagine they'd still go "Oh, they're just minorly mutated, whatever"

[raven stone]

Nah, any GS cult infected will “see” pure strains as beautiful, or what you say

[storm jungle]

^

[raven stone]

Literally have their minds biologically rewired

[storm jungle]

They hide them because they'll bring suspicioun

not that they think they are disgusting

[outer wave]

Mm I see I see

[lament shoal]

They see em as angels

[outer wave]

Maybe that kinda world wouldnt be so bad to live in

[lament shoal]

Idk if it varies but ik thats how the cultists saw them in rogue trader

[outer wave]

I meant more the average uninfected worker that wanted to rally around the GSC because they had a good cause going

They might've known some neophytes that they were friends with

[raven stone]

Until you get eaten.
It is said the Hive Mind deliberately undoes the brainwashing at victory.

[lament shoal]

Oh yeah that happens in rogue trader lol

[outer wave]

Damn I gotta play RT then 😔

[lament shoal]

The rebels don't realize they're fighting with alien mutants until you tell them

And then they realize the horror of what they've done

[raven stone]

TBF realistically speaking, once someone is interested in the Cult’s cause enough they will become tainted as a safety measure.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Usually they get people kissed just in case

[outer wave]

Damn

[raven stone]

Basically GS cults are Animorph Yeerks on Crack and Steroids.

[outer wave]

Damn I never read Animorphs

[raven stone]

Long ass series, but worth knowing the basics of

[outer wave]

I know of it at least

[lament shoal]

Its dlc content btw

[raven stone]

Even I never got around to the whole series when it was the heydays of it

[outer wave]

It brings me back to childhood though

[storm jungle]

The brainwashing thing entirely depends on the writer

its inconsistent

[lament shoal]

I read the first book as a kid

[raven stone]

True BL fashion lol

Though I suppose in universe can also be inconsistent.

Basically Hive Mind has to decide “is it worth my mental energy to keep my food still whilst I try to eat them”

[storm jungle]

GW has noticed that 'oh you made a cult? well they are all gonna get eaten' shit can get a bit lame so they have added alternatives in the 9th and 10th codexes where your GSC can go offworld or spread through other maens without being eaten by nids

which is a lot more realistic and cool imo

[jade holly]

So just like the DG with their mutations

[raven stone]

And TBH reality is a mix.
Like lower rank and file members will be fed, but those successful cult leaders? Oh they will be spared to spread alright.

[outer wave]

Oh yes btw while on this topic @storm jungle I read more Day of Ascension, and I got a question: when Davien is giving a speech, she notes that she feels as though organs she didn't even know started working inside of her: is this sort of response something that happens when a cult leader dies and how it replaces its leaders or is it simply just the hivemind established thats allowing her to give a good speech?

[storm jungle]

Not exactly

again it depends

theres cases where entire fleets of GSC leave the planet on the day of ascension

and the bioships straight up ignore them

[raven stone]

Ok, nice lore update with GW
Well done for once James.

lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah its what i was saying uptop

[lament shoal]

Kinda yeah except there's no connection to the hivemind to begin with in the case of these rebels

[arctic talon]

Cult Primus's tend to get replaced, all 4th gen GSC posses the necessary organs to elevate them into one

[jade holly]

If I want a faction that goes all Pacific Rim on Tyranids, I’d look at the knights right? Or maybe Votann if they ever did big mechs

[storm jungle]

Its more a showcase of her brainwashing, where she doesnt know what to do before somehow getting the guts to do it

[arctic talon]

also that

is what that scene likely is

but GSC do have extra organs and stuff

[lament shoal]

Knights or tau I'd say

[jade holly]

Tau would be more like Gundam I’d wager

[raven stone]

Remind me, 4th gen also look perfectly human? Damn, they be getting a lot of cool lore upgrades…

[lament shoal]

Eldar too maybe

[jade holly]

I never actually saw Pacific Rim I need to watch it

[lament shoal]

They got those giant wraith knights

[arctic talon]

4th gen look almost perfectly human aside from a lack of hair and often a forehead bump

internally they got some weird shit going on

and a carapace

lol

[jade holly]

Can we get a rip to Warpforge and maybe Horus Heresy Legions?

[outer wave]

Yeah because the speech felt unnecessary as it was being given to a bunch of cult members who already are roused and know what they must do. So it almost seems like it was either for those not Kissed or for her to develop into a new Magus, especially with the possibility of the current leader having died (I dunno just yet, I'm just spitballing, but Claress is missing atm)

[raven stone]

I imagine on some imperial world there must be prejudice against bald people without knowing why it is actually somewhat valid lol.

[arctic talon]

lol prolly

but a lot of people in the imperium are bald

[lament shoal]

My zealot is bald lol

[jade holly]

Clearly this means the Imperium is one giant GSC hive

[raven stone]

GS cult are like that, they do everything to make things look non-nid related, and if it involves giving a revolutionary speech to hide alien involvement, so be it.

[jade holly]

What would a GSC do if they accidentally happen upon a Forgeworld that woke up?

[arctic talon]

you mean tomb world right?

fight them

lol

[outer wave]

Very true

If only Pariahs still existed in lore, maybe then GSCs could infiltrate necron society

Well, albeit very limited

[arctic talon]

yeah that

[raven stone]

I would lean towards unlikely. The whole cult thing works on a psychic network, ad since Pariahs cannot have psychic touches at all…

It kinda falls apart.

[outer wave]

Yeah, I was more basing it off the fact that Pariahs were once human

So maybe they'd still have human bits that could be infected

[arctic talon]

Old necron lore was ass

so I'm glad its gone

[raven stone]

It would have to work so differently to the point it isn’t a GS cult, but a fair enough point.

[outer wave]

But the pariahs were cool 😔

[arctic talon]

not really

[outer wave]

I thought they were cool

[lament shoal]

Oldcron fans confuse me man

[outer wave]

You get another angle of human-xenos interaction through that that isnt simply "I hate you die, raaaah!!"

[raven stone]

The concept of “aliens kidnapping humans and changing them” is a valid and legit one, but maybe not necessarily best used with Necrons.

[outer wave]

Yeah

I wanna see more necrodermis infecting shit

[lament shoal]

Works very well with gsc tho lol

[raven stone]

It is true that only GSC has this as their thing now

[outer wave]

Well that and Dark Eldar, kinda

[lament shoal]

Nah, dark eldar too

[outer wave]

^

[raven stone]

Oh true, yea

[outer wave]

Haemoculi bring people back as Wracks

[raven stone]

Damn how could I forget that.

[lament shoal]

Unironically would rather blow my brains out than be captured alive by the drukhari

[storm jungle]

dont worry

[outer wave]

Well they could just bring you back

[storm jungle]

they'll resurrect you

lmao yeah

[arctic talon]

Drukhari do it as well

[vagrant fox]

Correct statement

[outer wave]

Wait but isnt it with your consent?

I thought the soul had to be willing

[storm jungle]

bruh its gene-magic

they dont give a shit

lmao

[outer wave]

I know, but I recall reading that people can be revived with their tech if the soul was willing

Obviously, Drukhari dont give a shit, but I thought thats how it worked?

[storm jungle]

i think you mixed it up with them being able to revie dark eldar if their spirit is strong enough to remain tethered to reality

[outer wave]

Ahhhhh so only Dark Eldar souls are applicable to consent

[raven stone]

Wait talking about Warcks.
Do Drukhari use a mixed source for them?
Cause apparently some DE also just decide to become Wracks.

[outer wave]

Yeah some DE become wracks willingly

[arctic talon]

yeah wracks are a mix

ironically ending up as a wrack is a pretty good fate for a human

[outer wave]

There's a lore segment in the 8th ed codex IIRC

[arctic talon]

beyond the agony

but yknow

not that bad

[raven stone]

Yea was looking up the wiki and noticed that bit

[outer wave]

You get cut down eventually, or if you dont, you get previlages of being experimented on more I guess

Wish there were more wrack types

Not to mention pain engines

I love those things

[arctic talon]

tbf wracks are always a case of limited by mini

average haemonculi behavior tbh

I should edit a mandrake into this image

one moment

[outer wave]

Mandrakes are so cool

Honestly alot of DE lore is cool because of how varied their forces are comprised of

[raven stone]

We can’t forget Grotesques

Now those are truly 100% unwilling.

Whoever they were.

[outer wave]

Arent those just bigger Wracks?

[raven stone]

Somewhat a fair point, but unlike Wracks, no DE volunteers to be a Grotesuqe.
A DE will only ever become one if they (royally) pissed a Hameonculi off.

[arctic talon]

I'm done

its shit

but someone with better photo editing skills can make a better version

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

I need to make it darker

to blend in

and also make an actual fucking png

[limpid granite]

Commision an artpiece lol

And then make the girl an astra militarum soldier

[arctic talon]

nah its a stupid meme I'm not comming that lol

I'll try to do it better later

[storm jungle]

also its funnier with photoshop edits

[vagrant fox]

I await your success

The description of the crusade fleet in Twice Dead is quite cool
Neat reminder that the Imperium can be fairly dangerous

[storm jungle]

Yeah their disadvantage is that the Dynasty is basically crippled and suffering from the flayer virus though which a lot of people kinda forget to mention 💀

[vagrant fox]

Yea
It's more I thought it was a tyranid fleet until I read a bit more, I just really like that description

[heady rivet]

Do you think the Necrontyr had court eunuchs and now they have Flayer virus Necrons that specifically leave that part the same

[vagrant fox]

Sure probably they were assholes

[languid meadow]

https://fxtwitter.com/TauCetiGG/status/2031100625543639336?s=20

Marathon Bulletin (@TauCetiGG)

‼️NEW DURANDAL VOICELINES FROM THE DIRE MARSH TERMINALS
︀︀
︀︀📷@geekypastimes

**💬 6 🔁 35 ❤️ 569 👁️ 18.4K **

▶ Play video

FxTwitter · Mar 9, 2026, 8:11 PM

marathons haunted....

[heady rivet]

Man I love unit organization and variants within it

Seeing different Chapters dump certain roles for other units for their specific doctrine and whatnot

[raven stone]

Sad, expected CABAL like deeper voice.

[winter pine]

hope Bungie goes all out and adds the S'pht Compilers as enemies to a map inside the ship

[languid meadow]

they are

the P'hor are mentioned in codex logs as a possible reason Tau is the way it is

[arctic talon]

My beloved

[plush mason]

is this from that clip of when the temperature display malfunction and meteorologist just ran with it?

[languid meadow]

yea

[nocturne crest]

Well, apparently Gravis Calgar has been killed from this edition in the 40k app.

[opaque coyote]

So fun fact

In Cyberpunk, North Dakota is bought out

By corpos

It literally doesn't fucking exist anymore

It's basically a corpo state with laws even to prevent it's residents from being

Too rich

With all of the citizens that once lived in North Dakota being considered employees

What was once an entire state is now just one big corporate office

[winter pine]

Wyoming somehow being a socialist free state in 2020 is a head scratcher to me even considering it was written in 1991

Like the reddest or second reddest state in the whole US lmfao, who wrote that one

[teal tide]

Is it still called North Dakota?

[opaque coyote]

Yup

[teal tide]

Or is it like “North Dakota, Brought to You By Blackrock”?

[opaque coyote]

Owned by a trifecta of corporations.

Petrochem, Arcadiex, and New East Asia Agricultural

It also runs like a corporate office rather than as a government

[crystal forum]

who tf would want to own north dakota

[teal tide]

At last, South Dakota reigns as the favored Dakota, for once.

[crystal forum]

isn't it like 95% forest

[teal tide]

You say that like natural resources aren’t a thing people want to own.

[winter pine]

Petrochem just chops it all down and plants the CHOOH2 grain

[opaque coyote]

Supposedly, North Dakota had a lot of Cold war era nuclear missile silos, all data got lost during the great collapse however

But supposedly...

They might still be there

[crystal forum]

all data about NUCLEAR MISSILES

[teal tide]

Wait, wouldn’t that be CO2H3?

[opaque coyote]

The corpos say that there isn't

But...

We know better

[winter pine]

iirc during the cold war the US put a lot of nuclear missile silos there specifically because it's less populated lmao

Explicitly the reason

[crystal forum]

that in turn makes the state a huge target for nuclear missiles

[opaque coyote]

"Damn this state is a shithole, perfect place to put my nuclear missiles."

• Uncle Sam

[crystal forum]

ironic

[opaque coyote]

Yeah and it's one of the least populated states

So if MAD is enacted, it might listen the damage because turning North Dakota into a glorified crater

Is probably less damaging than larger states

[winter pine]

Rather they put missile silos throughout the entire great plains because it's got so few people

North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana especially has a bunch I think

[opaque coyote]

That also kinda fucks up farming though

Yippee...

[winter pine]

North Dakota still has a bunch of oil too so it'd be a good investment for Petrochem to put in the corporate portfolio

[opaque coyote]

Although if Nuclear Winter does happen (it's actually disputed because the only way to confirm is to end the fucking world)

Farming in general would be fucked

Might as well nuke the great plains

[crystal forum]

kinda wild that we have no clue what would happen if nuclear war would break out

[opaque coyote]

We do have some clue

And generally it's one big

"We're fucked."

[crystal forum]

like it's so impossible to predict because it's a completely unprecedented event

[opaque coyote]

But how fucked we are is

Unknown

But either way, it ain't gentle that's for sure

[crystal forum]

we dont even know how bad global warming is for the planet, much less a nuclear war

[opaque coyote]

It's because we successfully dodged the worst case scenario

Luckily

We're now only worried about things being very bad

Instead of outright "stick an iron in your mouth and pull the trigger"

But humanity would definitely live through it