40k-lore-chat

[queen laurel]

Considering how split up the guy is

[fervent geode]

But that would be funny

[storm jungle]

Again it can be anything. Because once you listen to Seer the thing talking to him does a lot of things.

[near wasp]

As if the emperor is any nicer than a daemon

[storm jungle]

even shit like telling Seer to tell the Cadian that the planet's destruction isnt his fault

[fervent geode]

Ok yeah maybe its Magnus

[near wasp]

I prefer to think it's the emperor

[misty vector]

Seems a bit too nice for the emperor idk

[fervent geode]

Tbh if it was magnus he should have some unique reaction to the loner talking abt tsons

[storm jungle]

My own take has been that its just some unalligned warp entity having fun.

[fervent geode]

So i guess not... again

[fervent geode]

Completely possible tbh

[storm jungle]

the writers did a good job of making it extremely conflciting

[fervent geode]

Idk wtf it is

[misty vector]

Maybe its something they made themselves

[fervent geode]

Maybe its what's left of Inquisitor Jaq Draco

[misty vector]

Like a real hallucination

Like a manifestation of their view of the emperor? Idk

[rigid dune]

Does auric level operators such as darktide 7 gang fall within the umbrella of rejects?

[near wasp]

Nah guys it's kaldor drago

[flat nimbus]

That’s my take, because “it’s TTS Emperor given a window to this world” is a little too silly (even if it’s obviously the truth)

The Beloved is a gestalt product of the Seer’s lifelong trauma and isolation

Enhanced by, y’know, actually having the power to make their headmates a proper tulpa

[young pecan]

I think I remember a voiceline about Beloved talking about a warp labyrinth

Some people say it could be Tzeentchian based on that but I'm not sure that's enough evidence

[flat nimbus]

I don’t think it’s Tzeentch, but only because there’s the other voice they hear that’s clearly trying to use the guise of the Beloved

in that one line

[celest dome]

• Tzeentch Deamon
• Shard of the Emperor
• Imperial Saint
• Natural Warp being

Or

Delusion of the Psyker that has a some divination power

[rigid dune]

Is age of sigmar part of fantasy or is it its own separate thing like 40k?

[rocky gale]

It's the successor to Fantasy

[celest dome]

it's after fantasy was broken

There is only 3 setting line

And 2 are linked

[rigid dune]

So its what happened after "the end times"?

[celest dome]

Blood Bowl
Fantasy -> AoS
Horus Heresy -> 40k

[celest dome]

Yes, long after it

[rigid dune]

Ohh okay, I was watching some "baby first introduktion to the factions" video on it. But imo the lore seemed kinda bad/uninteresting to me compared to 40k and fantasy

[celest dome]

What vid did you look at ?

[rigid dune]

https://youtu.be/4QqydXyXJsk?is=T1YvdWb4set2QhCJ

I just half listen to it on second monitor while gaming

What I got was that they wanted to put 40k into a fantasy from my half listen understanding, tjing really gripped me

[queen laurel]

that's like not what they wanted to do like at all

if anything the complete opposite happened with 40K being a space fantasy

There are a few similarities but other than that age of sigmar is completely different

[flat nimbus]

“trying to make Fantasy more like 40k” was a common take on AoS when it launched, at least

[rocky gale]

Yea by people who had no idea what they were talking about

[flat nimbus]

The setting always seemed a bit too inchoate for that to me

[queen laurel]

One of the worst jabs and insults people use on AOS is literally not even accurate

[rocky gale]

AoS on launch in both in setting and rules was nothing compared to 40k

[queen laurel]

exactly

[flat nimbus]

But apparently they have a concrete enough world to have a whole Skaven uprising now so, idk

[shadow plover]

people only make that distinction because sigmarines are the easy to paint armoured faction

like space marines

[celest dome]

What ?

[wary fulcrum]

I prefer it to 40k because it has that Harryhausen, Greek Age of Myth, Conan thing going on

[rocky gale]

One of the major complaints for people who actually played AoS on launch was that the rules were nothing like 40k

[celest dome]

The worlds were always quite formed (in their centers) since its launch

[celest dome]

Nor Fantasy Battle

[queen laurel]

yeah where do you get that the thing just happening right now is the Skaven's time to shine but even then they were still an actual tangible threat

[celest dome]

AoS is better basically from the get go cause you don't have the issue of SM taking 80% of the miniature (and other stuff) releases or comparable

[queen laurel]

they just completed their plans of attacking and taking the spotlight, but that's a common thing to do in age of sigmar death did it in destruction in the last edition too

[flat nimbus]

I had an impression of it at launch as pretty amorphous, but I also haven’t kept much awareness beyond “I guess more is going on now than just ‘Sigmar assembles his Astartes Stormborn’

[queen laurel]

this chart literally explains that

[celest dome]

It's basically 8 different realms/planes, (with smaller ones too), where different cities built up from the different civis

[queen laurel]

stormcast are basically good guy chaos warriors

And also that

[flat nimbus]

well, yeah, that’s the lineage, I’m just saying the general vibe

[queen laurel]

that's the funny thing not even that

[flat nimbus]

ah, the multiplanar element makes it click more

[queen laurel]

AOS isn't even grim dark compared to 40K like yes there are bad things but like there are genuinely good amount of stuff in there that are for the good hearted people

[celest dome]

People that argue against the multiple planes should honestly hate 40k, otherwhise they're idiots.

[queen laurel]

People that tend to just drink on that haterade for AOS tend to not know anything better and just jump on the bandwagon

[flat nimbus]

yeah, tbc I’m not trying to come for AoS, just giving my distant read of the broad temperature

[flat nimbus]

cuz yeah, like, people also got mad at the ‘superheroing’ of WHFB

Warhammer fans can only agree on one thing, and that’s that there’s always something to complain about

[celest dome]

For AoS to really start hitting its strides, it really should get some actually good video games.

And maybe a Necromunda style game

[flat nimbus]

I’ll never get over Vermintide being such a hit it almost singlehandedly kept The Old World alive

[celest dome]

That would be more so Ttotal War

[flat nimbus]

also true

[wary fulcrum]

Warcry was fantastic like, which was the KT equivalent

[celest dome]

Both Vt games are small comparatively

[flat nimbus]

just funny that VT is actually set in The End Times and just… procrastinates

[celest dome]

What do you mean procrastinate?

[celest dome]

Ye but KT is just so much less interesting than Necromunda is

[flat nimbus]

just that it’s been going since End Times was an active narrative, long enough for WHFB to be revived, while basically staying as close to ‘early End Times’ as possible

[wintry cloud]

Me when the game has good support for like 10 years

[celest dome]

Do you mean due to FS not using later ET stuff?

Which they kind of do tbh

[flat nimbus]

that, and just more broadly that it’s in a limbo of ‘and we’re never going to actually hit The End’

s’just funny to me

and yeah, I know they’ve had some ‘progression’ with Lohner’s lines and blogs

I’m just tickled that the ü5, metanarratively, have done better at delaying the end of all things than anyone else

[storm jungle]

Its less delaying and more they arent even at the final hours of the planet yet

[celest dome]

End Time started in 2519
It end in 2528
We know for a fact that we're at least at 2524

[rocky gale]

Yea, it's like how people play Call of Duty, but the war never ends.

[celest dome]

And there is no delaying the inevitable

The U5's action in the grand scheme of things will do squat.
And in theory already were happening during the writing of the End Time

[storm jungle]

^

[flat nimbus]

yeah, obviously it’s not going to retcon ‘and then AoS happens’, all I’m saying is it’s funny that Vermintide became one of the primary remnants of WHFB past the external ‘expiration’

the funny rat whackin’ game

[rocky gale]

It's funny how Left 4 Dead they don't find a cure and stop the zombie virus

[storm jungle]

Well yeah most valve games take place in dystopian settings anyway

whoops

[celest dome]

In a way it's the sort of game where if you are indeed given the ability to find a cure, well the game is just gonna be shut down

Is that what you'd want

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[celest dome]

Same way here you have people asking what happen when we fix the Tertium situation

The game get shut down

Nothing else

[queen laurel]

get back to the slavery pits

that's what happens

[flat nimbus]

Yeah, Tertium will only get worse

[limpid granite]

I do suspect the story will follow in some significant way

Such as wolfer being killed

[celest dome]

And removing a VA ? Unlikely

[limpid granite]

Not neccesarily

[young pecan]

Just thinking of how one lone chaos spawn is supposed to be a boss fight when a single unit of them (out of twenty units) in TWH is 16 spawns IIRC

[limpid granite]

You still have wolfer in the campaign

[young pecan]

That put it into perspective for me that the U5 are NOT doing anything meaningful, at least combat-wise

[celest dome]

I mean, they are

Lore wise at least

and rpg wise too

[lament shoal]

The 6th sending a plague ogryn to the strike team only for my vet to shove 4 krak grenades up its ass

[limpid granite]

Really?

[rocky gale]

I mean they killed Drachenfell twice but like we know he still ends up becoming a force for Nagash

[limpid granite]

Its kinds hard for them to make an impact when you already know the full story for fantasy

[celest dome]

Killing Chaos Spawns and and Trolls are things that is already considered to be quite the achievement already

Some of the would be Grail Knight had such quests for example

[limpid granite]

My goat saltzpyre could solo a skaven abomination

[lament shoal]

How much of a threat would the skaven pose if they showed up in 40k?

[limpid granite]

Minimal honestly

[celest dome]

No more than GSC d

Actually less

[limpid granite]

Tyranids and orks already make up the majority of the horde factions

And skaven could survive in the underhives

Also 40k doesnt have warpstone (i believe)

[flat nimbus]

Skaven would find a way to invent warpstone

[winged jacinth]

The thing is in 40k humanity already has ridiculously dangerous poorly constructed technology of incredible power and that was the skavens big advantage

[storm jungle]

A lot

[near wasp]

They'd snort eldar wraith bone

[limpid granite]

Ngl

[winged jacinth]

Im sure people have invented all kinds of warpstones doing heretical engineering

[storm jungle]

people really do not give skaven credit lol

[limpid granite]

Skaven would be considered a strain of beastmen

[storm jungle]

they are literally even a bigger horde army than the Imperium

[near wasp]

Skaven are inventors

[storm jungle]

^

[winged jacinth]

No because they're not humans lol

[storm jungle]

their indiscriminate use of magic would put them a few notches above the Imperium

[near wasp]

They'd copy space tech

[limpid granite]

I know

[storm jungle]

Also yeah we are talking skaven entirely being their own faction/race

[limpid granite]

But from an imperium standpoint

[winged jacinth]

Beastmen are abhumans because they're humans who grew beast bits

They can do genetics

[queen laurel]

their tech would probably be somehow even more volatile than orcs

[storm jungle]

Like having read WHF quite a bit, Skaven are fucking scary

[winged jacinth]

Rat that became man (not ok)
Man that became rat (ok)

[storm jungle]

like people say the Imperium doesnt care about losses but you havent seen Skaven lmao

[lament shoal]

40k orks vs skaven would make for some hilarious battles I bet

[queen laurel]

Yeah like they will literally throw 1,000,000 rats at you

and not even blink at that loss rate

because the moment they blink that amount of number is already replaced

[limpid granite]

Inb4 a skaven creates a sectorwide warp storm

[storm jungle]

The guard would run out of men before skaven ran out of clan rats

[near wasp]

All casualties are friendly fire

[limpid granite]

Theyll use the warp instead of winds of magic

[winged jacinth]

I think 40k orks would be a terrible matchup unless they got a big weaponry glow up

[limpid granite]

And im pretty sure only tzeentzian units can use sorcery

[near wasp]

Slaves

[storm jungle]

id say yes since its sci-fi

if they existed GW would give them lots of ballistic based units

[lament shoal]

https://youtube.com/shorts/J3pM0xoUPJk?si=v86PabKkwZoR5kRq

[storm jungle]

and not just jezzails

[queen laurel]

Honestly the ski van if we assume they are given the same leverage of standing under own feet in 40K would develop their own more advanced weapons that could match orcs

[lament shoal]

How would they fare against the nids?

[queen laurel]

i'm gonna be honest they would probably poison them

[storm jungle]

Likely be bested unless Skaven do anything clever

[limpid granite]

Lol

[queen laurel]

with Warpstone

[storm jungle]

^

people legit got no idea how bullshit stuff Skaven can do lmao

[limpid granite]

And then nids evolve to resist warpstone

[queen laurel]

I don't care how biologically adapted you are you are not adopting to crystallize chaos

[storm jungle]

Counterpoint

even if you evolve to resist

warpstone meteor from the sky

YEET

[fervent geode]

Its chaotic

[storm jungle]

also second thing, in 40k Skaven would have territories where the entire planet is just Skaven.

[fervent geode]

I'm not sure far they can adapt to chaos corruption

[storm jungle]

That alone would put their numbers in the gazillions

a campaign against them in warzones would be nightmarish

[limpid granite]

Glass the planet lol

[storm jungle]

orbital batteries

lol

[limpid granite]

Exterminatus it and then terraform

[storm jungle]

Once again, skaven are smart

[limpid granite]

Easy peasy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/277500347516321792/1371480590284750948/1x.webp

[storm jungle]

me when warpstone

[fervent geode]

They'd actually have warpstone orbital batteries

[storm jungle]

^

[fervent geode]

They learn shit fast

[storm jungle]

Skaven have fucking NUKES in fantasy

[fervent geode]

Prob space vessels soon

[limpid granite]

This is is asuming warpstone is in 40k (if it is)

[winged jacinth]

Just use one of those 500 gigaton nuclear missiles the navy has

[fervent geode]

Oh yeah, those lmao

[storm jungle]

Its a main part of the faction, it would be in.

[lament shoal]

Rodentheimer

[fervent geode]

If skaven are there so is it

[storm jungle]

LOL

Also yeah skaven are clever enough to have their own voidships

[fervent geode]

Ikit Claw's true name

[queen laurel]

This is like saying what would the sisters of battle do in fantasy they don't get the emperor

[storm jungle]

it would be like ork ships but actually functioning

also a lot more deadly

[queen laurel]

it's a core trait of their faction it's gonna be in there

[oblique pond]

Skaven are in 40k?

[winged jacinth]

This is a real figure they gave once

[queen laurel]

no

[near wasp]

No

[fervent geode]

Nah

[queen laurel]

we're talking about a situation if they are gonna be in

[storm jungle]

NOPE

[fervent geode]

This is a theoretical

[queen laurel]

exactly theoretical hypothetical situation

[vagrant fox]

Skaven were, unless I'm terribly mistaken, one of two species that managed to get into space. Horrid little things

[arctic talon]

The imperium are the skaven

[fervent geode]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Correct

they literally had a space program

[arctic talon]

and yeah sigsen is correct

[fervent geode]

Also yes

[arctic talon]

Its skaven and Lizardmen

[fervent geode]

They did the moon in didn't they

[near wasp]

Cheese

[vagrant fox]

A bit yea

[storm jungle]

People legit got no idea how fucking crazy concepts GW would make if Skaven were in 40k, like they are already VERY sci-fi in WHF, imagine them in an actual sci-fi setting.

[arctic talon]

They blew up the moon

[fervent geode]

I recall that's how Lustria got fucked

[arctic talon]

Skaven gun that fucking deletes your organs but only on a thursday

[storm jungle]

They'd be genuinely formidable and the only thing holding them back as usual woul dbe internal politicking

[winged jacinth]

When you're the lizardmen and have an ancestral duty from the Old Ones to prevent the end times but then the times end

[arctic talon]

unstable tech and internal politicking are the skavens biggest enemies

[solid horizon]

Skaven would be extremely advanced or extremely outdated because they'd already reach their technoligical potential and would fail to improve

[storm jungle]

Yeah we were talking about the fucked up 40k guns GW would probably give them lmao

[arctic talon]

lol

[fervent geode]

But moon getting bigger

[arctic talon]

can't be a skaven without a fucking misfire

[storm jungle]

They'd absolutely be advanced

[queen laurel]

hell in total war 2 their campaign it's revealed they are the ones that faked an entire prophecy using a machine it was so accurate the other races can't tell it was fake

[storm jungle]

yall need to realise Warpstone is literally just mcguffinite

they can do anything with it

[arctic talon]

GW removing the ability for Skaven to kill their entire army by accident with a misfire is the biggest flavor L ever

change my mind

[vagrant fox]

no

it's correct

[queen laurel]

yeah it's used for bullets machines experimentation bio components

[storm jungle]

it would be balanced by Skaven being fucking dumbasses

[fervent geode]

They'd get one lasgun and now they have laswarp jezzails and kill everything

[queen laurel]

like truly used as steroids and ammo for your gun

[fervent geode]

Eat the ammo

[arctic talon]

LAS WARP JEZZAIL KILL MAN THING

[solid horizon]

so basically

[arctic talon]

you forgot drugs

[fervent geode]

YES YES

[near wasp]

Shhhh don't diss my rat crack

[storm jungle]

Gun that turns you into rat

[solid horizon]

skaven would have necron tech

[arctic talon]

Skaven have WW1/WW2 era guns in Fantasy

they'd have better then necro ntech

[storm jungle]

Kinda

[arctic talon]

just absurdly unstable

lol

[storm jungle]

it would still malfunction

[vagrant fox]

I would in a sense love to see skaven tinker with necron tech and blow up a sector of space

[storm jungle]

and explode

lmao

[arctic talon]

Skavens whole gimmick is

[solid horizon]

[Hazardous]

[arctic talon]

"best tech, comically unstable"

[fervent geode]

But it would be very bad pre explosion

[storm jungle]

they'd also definitely bring shit like Gnawholes into 40k

"We accidentally bored through an entire planet."

[limpid granite]

Im gonna eat a brick of warpstone

[queen laurel]

Celestial Orrery but powered by slaves and rats on a hamster wheel and has a 99% chance of exploding on Fridays

[arctic talon]

"we accidentally bored into the last ocean on terra"

"and drowned 1 trillion skaven"

[storm jungle]

Also the worst part is Skaven in 40k with the tech/resources they have would be like a tyranid tier threat

the MOMENT a single skaven ship lands

you'd have a infestation

[solid horizon]

just bring pied piper

[storm jungle]

well, i DO hate children

[solid horizon]

noise marines to drown skavens

[lament shoal]

I can imagine a necron noble absolutely SEETHING upon seeing rat creatures invent time phase tech comparable to theirs using sticks and rocks lmao

[solid horizon]

necrons may have bullshit tech, but they suck at strategy

[arctic talon]

wait wrong chat

[solid horizon]

so they would get flooded by rats anyways

[vagrant fox]

don't bring that evil here

[near wasp]

Chat explode this man

[fervent geode]

Execution

[sour hornet]

Man to man, dog to dog, I will remain superior.

[queen laurel]

"We made-build that shoots nukes so we have a portable nuke force"

"what's the catch"

"it's powered by babies"

[arctic talon]

"thats an upside"

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-confused-blinking-okay-white-guy-blinking-gif-7513882

[queen laurel]

the superior what, the superior feet licker?

[sour hornet]

Superior in many aspects

[solid horizon]

skaven are like those player who try to find as many exploits/bugs in a game and use them to cheese the game

[storm jungle]

Is that a bad opinion

Literally

[sour hornet]

No, fuck children

[storm jungle]

"DROP THE MOON ON THEM"

[sour hornet]

wait

💀

[fervent geode]

You...

[solid horizon]

📸

[queen laurel]

well well well what do we have here

[sour hornet]

I have made a terrible mistake

[lament shoal]

Dilara, send this man to the frontlines

[fervent geode]

It seems like the Brotherhood need to deal out some moral guidance of the word

[solid horizon]

Dilara, servitorize this man

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-wait-wait-wait-gif-23893070

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-arthur-arthur-nightingale-warframe-1999-1999-gif-4632106320046100632

[vagrant fox]

what the got dam

[nocturne crest]

Why does that guy remind me of David Bowie.

[misty vector]

A hungry man thinks of bread

[storm jungle]

LOL

[winged jacinth]

This should say on-lyne

I accidentally spawned a coda lich and need to farm the damn antivirus bounty
The things lines are great though

[civic gale]

lmao

[winged jacinth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468468181770698753/1479558963174313984/image.png?ex=69ad22e9&is=69abd169&hm=c69a56f1ccd3f3335991ba26e90dca78691f6173b8f4ae60011bbafb34930b1c&

[near wasp]

@fervent geode you were the guy I was talking about the tzimsce character I was writing right?

[fervent geode]

I think so

NYC right

[near wasp]

Yes

[fervent geode]

Aight yeah me

[hollow lantern]

How it feels lying to people at work when they ask how it's going

[near wasp]

So I found out vykos is the 7th gen originally so my original plan of having the tzimsce angel be of the 8th is perfect

[spring cairn]

wron chat woops

[near wasp]

Vykos is now 6th though because he diablarized his sire but that happened during the anarch revolt

[fervent geode]

I see

Yeah he diablerised Symeon so uhhh

Would that raise your Angel? To 7th

I don't remember

But im pretty sure it doesnt

[near wasp]

No it wouldnt

Based on timings no

The angel was sired before the revolt

I regret reading the diablarie though

Jfc

[fervent geode]

Ah alright then

[fervent geode]

Yeah uh

Tzimisce aren't very clean, well even as diableries go by

I feel bad for Symeon

[near wasp]

He was the lover boy who's embrace caused Antonios death right

[fervent geode]

Sort of

Basically Michael was mad Dracon and Antonios were fighting

So he said you two sire these two twins

Dracon got Gesu, Antonios got Symeon

Gesu got sired first

Then he fell into a coma, upon waking up he immediately turned Symeon

Thus fucking up the plan

[near wasp]

And the Antonios kids killed him because he was distracted with the drama

[fervent geode]

Yeah sorta

Basically Antonius went mental

He started the Iconoclast Movement (an irl thing too) and decided that he was mad at the other two

[fervent geode]

And then his childe Caius goes up to Michael and Dracon and says

Hey yeah ill kill him

And so the death of the dream started

Well at least how i remember it

[near wasp]

Wtf even happened to dracon is he still alive

[fervent geode]

He is

He went in hiding

First he killed some tzimisce priest guy

[near wasp]

Ah

[fervent geode]

Called nikita and replaced him

Then uh

He tried to get vykos to meet up with tzimisce or smth

I think he fed ilias, vykos' lover to the tzimisce and some stuff went down

Idk this part at all tbh

[near wasp]

Tzimce loregoes wild

[fervent geode]

Yeah

He might be all the tzimisce

Like he doesnt exist anymore, he could die and come back

He lives in the blood of the clan

Idk man

[near wasp]

I mean technically If we count the flesh baby thing dracon is the father to his own father

So tzimce is his own grandpa

[fervent geode]

Yknow what

Considering tzimisxe

That makes sense (also vykos might be dracon

[near wasp]

So in other words my hecata player lost a humanity point last week

[fervent geode]

Oh shit

What happened

[near wasp]

His ghoul got shot by gang members and while stitching him together he started jamming his fingers into the wounds to keep him paying attention

Like straight up torturing his ghoul

Then he bestial failed and took another stain

[fervent geode]

Oh jeez

Is the ghoul dead

[near wasp]

No he lived

[fervent geode]

Ah

[near wasp]

He has been rolling very very bad

[fervent geode]

I dont think this was what he signed up for

Hecatas uhhh

Nerds iirc

[near wasp]

He is a nerd

But he used to be a doctor and he makes hallucinogens to fund his death research

[fervent geode]

Ah

So he's basically slinging drugs

Cool lmao

Tbh i havent seen much of modern hecata stuff so this is cool to see how they adapted

Hell i still think of them as cappadocians sometimes

[near wasp]

He's from a Cappadocian line

[fervent geode]

Hmm interesting

Lazarus or Unre?

Prob more im forgetting

[near wasp]

Uhhh Frankenstein

Frankensteins monster is his sire

[vagrant fox]

wod mentioned

[last stone]

Uhhhh

[fervent geode]

Ah damn

Interesting

I uh

Idk about that line, they dont have business with the ministry afaik

[near wasp]

I wrote it

[fervent geode]

Still more conventional than vozhd spam (then again they'd do that anyway )

[fervent geode]

Noiceeee

[near wasp]

Yeah I determined the Frankenstein experiment was a Cappadocian thing with the help of the La Sombra. Following the course of the book the monster killed, in this case diablariezed Dr Frankenstein

[fervent geode]

Makes sense

Frankenstein would be the Cappadocians, the Tremere or the Tzimisce

Actually

Too normal for the Tzimisce

Too cool for the Tremere

So Cappadocian seems apt

[vagrant fox]

As a tangent I never quite understood the whole Frankenstein deal in WoD, there'a promethean line called Frankenstein but the novel also exists in wod iirc

[near wasp]

That's why I completely disregard the Promethean because it makes zero sense and it's easier to just interpret it as kindred

[fervent geode]

Me neither i don't know what's going on with him

[vagrant fox]

Yeah you do you, I just find it weird that the monster essentially exists but no real mention of the doctor

[fervent geode]

True

[near wasp]

In my game the doctor is still conscious inside his monsters head

[fervent geode]

Ah jeez

[near wasp]

And the monster assumed his name because why not

[fervent geode]

Like monty and mithras

[fervent geode]

Itd be funny lmao

A middle finger to the sire

[near wasp]

Bros a combination of multiple people and a soul jammed into a body purely for an embrace. It took bro along time to stop being crazy

Eventually he came to terms with his existence

[fervent geode]

Jeez that's fucked up

The Doctor must have been pretty nuts even by Cappadocian standards

[near wasp]

Oh yeah

If he was still alive he'd of been hunted down

[fervent geode]

Makes sense, considering what he made...

[near wasp]

The monster did however attend the Reunion

But given who and what he is was kept at arms length but isn't necessarily hated

[fervent geode]

Ah, explains why him and his childe are hecata

And fair that they would accept him

[mossy peak]

is kharn gay

[fervent geode]

They accepted the samedi and some nagaraja even

[fervent geode]

Probably

[fervent geode]

Which i mean is crazy, nagaraja aren't even cappadocian (and also fucking cannibals)

[near wasp]

Desperate times create bonds

[fervent geode]

True enough

Augie's gone

And the whole of clan hekata is being manipulated by some monk thing

Maybe

[spare osprey]

Have I stumbled into a WoD nerd wave?
Neat!

[fervent geode]

Ye

[near wasp]

The caperchan right

[spare osprey]

Unfortunately, all I know is what I get out of Hunter: the Parenting.
But!
It is so neat-o.

[fervent geode]

Yeah the Capuchin

Maybe one guy

Probably three

Or even 4

His shenanigans prob mean something worse

Cappadocius never truly died

[near wasp]

I'm pretty sure he is cappadocious

Like bro that name is only one step removed

[fervent geode]

So ive heard that he is a false identity, and he's working for cappadocius

[fervent geode]

Tbh its a fair possibility assuming cappadocius has made it out of the underworld

[fervent geode]

The role is played by Lazarus, Japheth and Byzas (maybe Caias Koine depending on how alive he is)

[near wasp]

Isn't japeth diablariezed

[fervent geode]

These four iirc are the ancestors of most of the clan

[fervent geode]

Yeah

And Caias too, wait no he's just dead

But apparently ooooohhh Japeth didnt die he took over

Or smth

Idk

[near wasp]

Lol

[fervent geode]

Idk man its confusing asf

[near wasp]

It really is

So I'm not touching it

[fervent geode]

Very valid

[near wasp]

Everything I'm doing is street level

[fervent geode]

Yeah these ancient literal skeletons in the closest wont affect that (prob sleeping)

No need to think on em

[near wasp]

Yesh

The chances of one of them doing anything in the story is super low because hecata doesn't even suffer the beckoning

[fervent geode]

True

Tbh idt any of them are even in the US

So you should be free of all methuselah shenanigans

[near wasp]

Yeah I don't think they are cause most elders are in Italy right

[languid meadow]

@arctic talon idk if you care but the next shell is probably a UESC shell

[arctic talon]

oh boy lol

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/marathon-marathon-game-bungie-uesc-vilesoup-gif-18333176591332861117

I LOVE THE UESC I LOVE ORION

[arctic talon]

ngl do you think the UESC NPCs are shells

or they're automated AI

[languid meadow]

they seem to be AI

maybe the recruits are AI but I think units like the ghost or commanders are humans in shells

esp since those two can mimic runners

[arctic talon]

yeah

tbh it could just be a really smart AI lol

[languid meadow]

true

Tycho and Durandal and well all the corpo AIs all exist

MIDA also uses anti AI camo stuff

that's what Gantry is covered in

[tough haven]

What game is this?

[arctic talon]

tbh its unlikely that sort of stuff works on the AI in the marathon unvierse lol

[arctic talon]

Marathon

the extraction shooter

[tough haven]

Is it any good?

[arctic talon]

I enjoy it a good bit despite hating extraction shooters

I have some issues

[jade holly]

It seems to be doing fine somewhat

[arctic talon]

mostly with the UI

and microtransactions

I think the game is solid but like

if you don't like PVP don't bother

marathon is like very PVP heavy

the NPC enemies are fucking horrifying lol

[tough haven]

I DO like pvp

[arctic talon]

fun fact

[tough haven]

Ok heres what makes or breaks it for me

[arctic talon]

during the server slam 45% of player deaths were to AI

[tough haven]

whats the squad/party size

[arctic talon]

3

[tough haven]

FUCK

[arctic talon]

you can do duos or solos

there's a dedicated solo shell called Rook

which is the rat shell

[tough haven]

why cant games have 4 player groups anymore

I just wanna play games with my 3 friends

[arctic talon]

tbf bungie has always done squads of 3 since they started with Destiny

you might call them a trend setter for that lol

anyways the funniest thing I've done is try to snipe my friends queue as Rook

[storm jungle]

is there PVE

or is it solely PVEP

[languid meadow]

thankfully they're increasing how much you get from each premium pack while also dropping the price of them

[languid meadow]

late game is PvE they said

[arctic talon]

its PVEVP always

late game is PVE

[storm jungle]

Absolutely cooked

[arctic talon]

but we haven't seen it yet

I'd assume the Marathon is going to be a hellhole

[languid meadow]

also the UESC is more dangerous than players lol

[arctic talon]

of UESC security and raid bosses

[storm jungle]

Yeah i just wanna play against killer bots imma be real

[jade holly]

The Red Corsair models ain’t sold out yet

lol. Lmao even

[arctic talon]

ngl they should have made a seperate PVE game

[languid meadow]

yeah the P'hor are on the marathon it seems

[arctic talon]

against the UESC

the UESC AI is tuned like the hardest AI tier in Destiny

[opaque coyote]

First game where the danger isn't fighting players

It's fighting the NPC enemies

[limpid granite]

Iunno why bungie decided on sole pvpve

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

where they try to fucking gut you alive

Bungie decided on PVPVE because extraction shooter

tbh

[jade holly]

Elite should I get ready to preorder a Battleforce or Combat patrol box for Reign of Iron if it’ll get one?

[limpid granite]

Apperantly they want to do raids in marathon?

[arctic talon]

yeah

[opaque coyote]

Tbf PVPVE is fucking magical when done right

[arctic talon]

There's going to be raid mechanics

in the final endgame zone

[tough haven]

anyone know if the darktide card game is any good?

[arctic talon]

aka The Marathon itself

[jade holly]

$250 is Battleforce box price right?

[arctic talon]

tbh looting is super fucking easy

in Marathon

[opaque coyote]

Holy shit it's John Marathon

[arctic talon]

like genuinely losing nice stuff barely matters

bcs you'll get it back so fast

[arctic talon]

I'm going to scream if there's a Battleroid

[limpid granite]

Extraction shooters are also pretty niche

[opaque coyote]

Honestly would be the best like final boss

Type thing

[arctic talon]

tbh marathon fufills a niche thats currently unoccupied

for extraction shooters

[opaque coyote]

Like Battleroids generally are fucking busted in lore.

[jade holly]

Havocs still gotta be the coolest looking CSM models to me right now outside of leaders and daemon engines

I love the heavy weapons

[arctic talon]

its got like something between a halo reach and destiny TTK

even with the nicest tier of shields

[opaque coyote]

It's the reason why the protagonist can kill so many aliens and shit

So imagine fighting one

And it's basically a raid boss

[arctic talon]

Tbh we know there's gona be a compiler lol

[jade holly]

Is it the Heavy Bolter or Heavy Boltgun that’s the one Heavy uses in SM2?

Or are those literally the same thing

[arctic talon]

heavy bolter

heavy boltrifle is a primaris thing

but some CSM got them in lore

[jade holly]

Ok

[arctic talon]

not on tabletop

heavy boltrifle's like a downgraded shittier heavy bolter

tabletop wise

[jade holly]

So the Havoc’s rocking a Heavy Bolter then

[rocky gale]

This is the Heavy Bolt rifle

and it's not a shitty downgraded heavy bolter

[jade holly]

Heavy Bolter and Heavy Boltrifle

So fucking confusing sometimes

[opaque coyote]

Tbf it does look cool

[arctic talon]

Havoc has a heavy bolter yes

CSM don't get primaris guns

tabletop wise

[opaque coyote]

I like how the Bolt Rifle looks in general

[jade holly]

I want new Power Packs for IW upgrade kits that have smoke coming out like they’re diesel engines

[arctic talon]

oh its identicle to the heavy bolter output wise

[jade holly]

Or Combustion engines running on Promethium

[arctic talon]

lol

heavy bolter has sussy hits

[arctic talon]

P r o d u c t

[jade holly]

Wait what’s this Interruption role I have?

[rocky gale]

The Heavy Bolt Rifle is in no way a shitty version of the Heavy Bolter, they are used alongside eachother

[jade holly]

What’s the loyalist equivalent to Havoc squads?

Devastators?

[arctic talon]

devestator squads

or the like Primaris HWT squads

[jade holly]

They just don’t look as cool

[arctic talon]

like hellblasters/heavy intercessors/eradicators

desolators aren't a proper equivelent ot missile launchers

ironically

[rocky gale]

Eradicators peak tho

Just melting vehicles like no prob

[jade holly]

What’s the guy with the big fuck off sniper?

[arctic talon]

Eliminators?

for LSM

[jade holly]

Yeah for Primaris

[arctic talon]

csm have snipers in lore but no tabletop presence

which has been an issue for them since like

3e lol

[jade holly]

These guys

[arctic talon]

oh

uhhhhhhh

fucking

[rocky gale]

Oh those are Supperors

[jade holly]

The Supressor marines

[arctic talon]

yeah that

[rocky gale]

They use Autocannons

[arctic talon]

they're stuck on a fixed sprue forever

lol

I think we'll get a redo of them eventually

they also got "omnis" power armor

[rocky gale]

I'm torn on the Eliminators, love their rules, love the idea of them but my undying hatred of how Phobos armour looks keeps me from getting them

Hmmmmm I wonder if I could kitbash Gravis armoured Eliminators

[jade holly]

Only good Phobos model is the Phobos armor Librarian

Jedi ahh looking

[arctic talon]

nah

I like phobos lol

[arctic talon]

not all of it

but I like infilitrators a lot

[jade holly]

Would be cool if SM2 ever gets a Librarian they wear Terminator Armor

Prob won’t happen

[rocky gale]

Surely I could make it work

[jade holly]

But it’d be cool

[vagrant fox]

reivers uhh

cool

[hallow saddle]

ya infiltrators/incursors look cool

[storm jungle]

Late but omega-L opinion goddamn

you arent a heavy gunner loyalist unless you got a huge ammopack

[rocky gale]

Gravis are just better

[storm jungle]

They just arent, and thats okay

back to the gene-sludge with them

[rocky gale]

I forgive you

[storm jungle]

I dont forgive you

perish

[rocky gale]

It's alright

[jade holly]

What about Suppressors Dilara?

[rocky gale]

Being wrong isn't your fault

[hallow saddle]

heavy intercessors are cool

[vagrant fox]

get rid of the babycrib for the head and the leg cables and gravis would be cool

[storm jungle]

Keep up the talking to the mirror practice, you'll get there ❤️

[storm jungle]

I gotta google what those even are

[scenic trout]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HCyp7I_aUAQInrB.gif

[storm jungle]

oh god these things, fucking garbage

[rocky gale]

Agreed

[storm jungle]

why did you have to remind me they exist

Mega-Man ahh enemies

[vagrant fox]

way better without the faux librarian hood

infinitely better

[hallow saddle]

yeah it is

[lament shoal]

I LOVE GRAVIS MARINES 🗣️🔥

[vagrant fox]

see the cringe aura with the whole hood

[storm jungle]

I love how they really thought these could replace Terminators

🙂‍↕️

[vagrant fox]

Classic GW L

old good new bad, as we all know

[storm jungle]

you joke but terminators are one of the most iconic things in 40k

and they brought them back to be updated for that exact reason

[vagrant fox]

I do joke

[storm jungle]

You dont

you explode

like you should be doing right now

[vagrant fox]

ok xavier renegade angel

[storm jungle]

no

[heady rivet]

Named my 2nd kid "Terminator Power Armor" before the state took them away from me

[storm jungle]

Kid named Terminator Armor

https://klipy.com/gifs/heres-to-you-breaking-bad

[vagrant fox]

kid named Indomitus Pattern Terminator Armour*

[heady rivet]

Yeah thats why they took em away

I fucked up

Also the malnutrition

[vagrant fox]

Deserved

[heady rivet]

Why does she look like a sex doll

[queen laurel]

@arctic talon i just realized, a EGREGORIAN player can pilot this

nothing is stopping you from digging up and piloting a worldkiller as a Egregorian

[lament shoal]

Just hating for the sake of hating

I love my heavy armor genocidal fascists

[hallow saddle]

i wanna do like 20 iron hands heavy intercessors where theyve all got bionics and servo arms and shit, theyd look so cool

[vagrant fox]

Someone has to keep the torch of primaris hate alive

[heady rivet]

I read this as "feminists" because I'm a woke chud and thought we were talking about Escher

[tough haven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/135396763564638208/1479826832672030850/RDT_20260307_193411.mp4?ex=69ad73a2&is=69ac2222&hm=6cc8ac18ac38a9603b99d5f14d92ba27a628d9dc4e5f48a6706bc898b72cc60b&

Straight balling

[lament shoal]

Spoilers! i must run away!

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

[tough haven]

I need to come up with insults/banter with my admech character to another character, who is an interrogator

[celest dome]

Flechie, Fleshbag

[tough haven]

Those are too general lol

Is a "Shielded" gamma pistol a thing that exists?

Basically a gamma pistol that isnt so obviously a gamma pistol

[hollow lantern]

Kid named terminator armor when you have krak nades

[hollow lantern]

Real

[tough haven]

My character is a infiltration unit of the mechanicus and its hard to infiltrate/disguise yourself as non admech with my glowing radiation gun

"where'd he go?"

[lament shoal]

I mean you could just create your own custom weapon for the guy if you want

[tough haven]

Suspiciously glowing green section of the hive alley

[lament shoal]

Doesn't need to be a pre established one

[tough haven]

"ah its just the sump pipes leaking again"

[opaque coyote]

Infinite really was wasted potential lmao

The amount of fucked up shit you could do with his abilities is fascinating

And he uses basically none of it

Hell even how his abilities work is unintentionally confusing

Like King Crimson looks simple compared to his

[opaque coyote]

Actually can Krak Nades actually destroy Terminator Armor

This is a genuine question

I always thought that it needs like

Several shots of plasma type durability

[hollow lantern]

In the FFG RPGs yes

[opaque coyote]

Hm

Multiple or just one

[hollow lantern]

Don't know the math rn, last time I witnessed it it was a belt of them thrown at a terminator lmao

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I feel like given how Terminator Armor was based on working in reactors. It would definitely resist a couple

[hollow lantern]

And it was definitely overkill

Tbf

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's obvious

[hollow lantern]

RPG vs Lore vs Tabletop

[opaque coyote]

Hold on lemme see if there's any canonical statements on Terminator Armor durability

Lemme disappear and search the legendary Black Library called...

Google

[hollow lantern]

Its kinda

Worf syndrome ime

[lament shoal]

Tbf, if you're a regular human against a termie marine, you definitely wanna make sure it stays dead lol

[hollow lantern]

Melta gun lol

[opaque coyote]

A couple excerpts to paint a picture

There was a flash over his head, and a lascannon shot punched into a Bane Wolf’s gas reservoir. The tank exploded, spreading its angry death for dozens of metres around it. This time, it was the men of the Mortisian Guard whose screams were awful and short, and whose skin was puddling in the road. Bisset’s jaw dropped and he threw himself flat. The Leman Russ’s turret rotated in his direction, and the heavy bolter sponson chugged rounds. The turret hadn’t moved half its arc before a second lascannon beam blasted it from the chassis.

Armoured beings stormed past him. They were terrible, golden angels, and they fell upon the Guard with bolter and chainsword. They savaged the units that had escaped the release of the gas and tore the tanks apart. They were monsters who bore the garb of beauty. They were giants in the service of war turned into art. There were only five of them. There were a hundred times as many Guardsmen, and that was far too few. The battle was even more one-sided than the attack on the rebels had been. Within seconds, hulls had been ripped open, treads yanked from wheels and used as whips, and men scythed into shrieking meat. The Chaos Space Marines stood proudly in the carnage, gods well pleased by their allotment of blood. The surviving rebels emerged from their hiding places. They began to cheer, and the cry was taken up by more and more people pouring into the streets.

• Death of Antagonis

100 guardsmen to a marine is ‘far too few’

[vagrant fox]

Terminator armour in the deathwatch ttrpg is kind of pathethic

wawee slightly more than twice the armour of power armour and everything is going to hit you

[hollow lantern]

It defo isn't as good as artificer

Mainly cause you can't fucking dodge

[vagrant fox]

Yeah for just 2 more AP

and you can't move for shit because it gimps your agility

[opaque coyote]

[Book Excerpt|The Honoured] Ultramarine Terminator butchers his way through a Word Bearer horde

Inside the battered suit, Urcus finds his way to a kind of appreciation as the Word Bearers horde smashes him repeatedly into the ground.Amongst the blast of boltguns, the kicks and the scrape of murderous daggers trying to find a way into the armoured coffin of his Cataphractii suit, the sergeant finds a moment of peace, of reflection.

Urcus is tempted to let himself go, to become one with the violence visited upon his deserving body and Ultramarines plate. But it is not within him to surrender – not as a son of strongbacks toiling under the sun. Not as an Ultramarine, with the gifts to go on further than endurance allows or the mind can take.
The sergeant wills himself to stand. To push not only his weary body up from the floor but also the weight of his monstrous suit and the mound of armoured foes in which he is buried.

The skewering point of a power blade twisting between plates is nothing to him. The Word Bearer’s fist slamming into the side of his crumpled helm is nothing to him. The dagger sawing at the seals of his throat is nothing to him.

Orestrian Urcus rises.

He forces the creaking Cataphractii suit around, throwing the Word Bearers clawing, stabbing and shooting into his back with it. One falls, knocked into a charging foe, while the remaining two soak up blasts from boltguns aimed at the spinning sergeant.

As Word Bearers fall away and others in turn climb on to subdue him, Urcus heaves himself at the walls of the narrow tunnel. Charging his muscular frame and mauled plate into the rough rock, Urcus smashes Word Bearers into mangled corpses. The sergeant hammers himself at both enemy and wall with such force that he feels servos give, ceramite layers split and bones fracture.

[hollow lantern]

Okay now get the excerpt where the DA terminator falls on his back in a basement and can't get up lol

Ik in the carchs books a termie eats shit and dies too

[opaque coyote]

Tbf Armor can be inconsistent depending on the weak points

[vagrant fox]

`‘All targets hostile,’ Sergeant Arbalan reminded them. ‘Purge with intent.’

‘Affirmative,’ replied Daellon and Telemenus together. The two of them opened fire, synchronising bursts between them. Brickwork turned to dust as Telemenus pounded the huts from outside while Daellon let fly through interior walls. A few sparks of las-bolts from a window two dozen metres ahead drew the attention of Telemenus. He returned fire, punching half a dozen bolts through the wall.

‘Some kind of sub-level here,’ reported Daellon. ‘Descending.’

‘Wait!’ yelled Telemenus, but his warning came too late. The audio pick-ups brought the sound of splintering woods and crumbling ferrocrete followed by an almighty crash.

Daellon cursed without pause over the vox.

‘Report,’ barked Arbalan.

‘Brother Daellon misjudged the load bearing of some internal stairs, brother-sergeant,’ said Telemenus, trying not to laugh. For once he was glad somebody else was attracting the negative scrutiny. There was a chuckle from Cadmael and a sigh from Arbalan.

‘Daellon, can you climb out?’ asked the sergeant.

‘Negative, a three metre drop at least. The floor will not hold my weight to pull myself up.’

‘No threats detected,’ Telemenus added, his auspex sensors encompassing the long row of huts.

‘Understood,’ said Arbalan. He sounded impatient. ‘Daellon, remain in place, I will signal for an armoury extraction team. Telemenus, rejoin the squad.’`

[hollow lantern]

Might've been a squad of them

[opaque coyote]

Plate armor for example can survive a bunch of arrows raining down on you

Or a lucky one somehow goes through the joint and you fucking die

[hollow lantern]

Plate armor can survive a lot of shit tbh

Want a suit one day

Very expensive

[opaque coyote]

I think the same goes for things like SM armor and Terminator armor

[hollow lantern]

I mean yeah but you also have Genestealers carving through it like butter

It's more so

[opaque coyote]

Tbf Genestealers are just built different

[hollow lantern]

BL writer internal consistency

Yk?

[opaque coyote]

I'm pretty sure they would scoff at those "1000 degree knife" videos

"My Patriarch, here's a video I think you would find satisfying"

Genestealer looks at the screen

The cultist hears a whisper in his head

"Weak... my blades can do so much better... in fact... ready the cameras."

1 Hour later

"GENESTEALER SLICES THROUGH CERAMITE (ASMR) (SATISFYING)"

[opaque coyote]

Always wonder how plate armor would do in a zombie apocalypse

I had an idea of like

[sacred ginkgo]

Excessively well

[opaque coyote]

Some "modern day" crusader type things in a zombie apocalypse.

Holed up in a castle

Going all medieval but also with

Guns

Mainly for people

[sacred ginkgo]

A castle is one of the best place to break into when everything goes to hell

Hope it has a museum with a few cases of armor and just hold it perpetually

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's what the scenario I am imagining

[sacred ginkgo]

You wouldn't even need all of it

[opaque coyote]

Some dudes are in a castle with a museum that's undergoing renovations when a zombie apocalypse happens

[sacred ginkgo]

Drop off 15-20 pounds by dropping stuff like the breastplate

[opaque coyote]

Like they're the employees

[opaque coyote]

Chainmail would be the best

Alrrady

[sacred ginkgo]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

But sometimes aesthetics are important ™

I imagine them mostly using melee and crossbows

Because

A) cool

B) Noise is often a problem for zombies. Don't want to attract a horde

A gunshot is much louder than simply just stabbing them

[sacred ginkgo]

You probably want plates on higher contact areas like the arms and legs
Definitely full gauntlets

[opaque coyote]

I also imagine it would take place in Europe so there wouldn't be guns

I think my favorite part of a zombie movie in general is 28 days later

Where Jim encounters a survivor wearing full riot gear and a shirld

[young pecan]

I used to think very often about what 40k would be like if there was a YouTube that any faction could use

[opaque coyote]

Because his apartment was a high rise with one one winding staircase he could basically defend using those two things

[young pecan]

Especially in relation to Dr. Pimple Popper but as a Nurgle daemon prince

[opaque coyote]

And like that shit is awesome

[opaque coyote]

Always thought about making a fanfic based on that

[hollow lantern]

You'd probably be fine

Like full plate covering chain covering your under garments?

[opaque coyote]

I mean wouldn't do well if you're swarmed but you at least have somewhat of a chance

[hollow lantern]

You're not biting through metal

[opaque coyote]

Vs like

[hollow lantern]

I mean

[opaque coyote]

"you're basically fucking dead"

[hollow lantern]

If you have plate you probably also own a sword

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

Doomsday peppers investing in things like guns

[young pecan]

Questions related to zombie apocalypses always vary greatly depending on which zombie apocalypse we're talking about

[opaque coyote]

Smh just get a full suit of knight armor

It's shrimple

[young pecan]

L4D universe, you're cooked

[hollow lantern]

A war sword will go through flesh easy

Let alone rotten, decayed flesh

[young pecan]

Walking Dead, you're probably a beast

[opaque coyote]

I mean L4D would actually do well against common infected

Given that they canonically have weaker frames

Which is why the survivors can kill them easily using melee

Tanks though

Uhhhh

[young pecan]

True, but we have to keep in mind that even the commons in L4D are not shamblers

[opaque coyote]

Nah run

[young pecan]

They will tackle you in a full sprint

[opaque coyote]

True.

[hollow lantern]

Where are you getting through this guy

With teeth?

And nails?

Gl

[opaque coyote]

Also ngl I do want at least one with a gun because it would be funny as shit seeing a guy in full plate armor mowing down zombies with a fucking LMG

Although it would definitely be very heavy

[young pecan]

That would be sick

[tough haven]

The male fantasy

[hollow lantern]

You got that right

[tough haven]

The male fantasy

[hollow lantern]

You got that right x2

[languid meadow]

this'd be good for like TWD zombies and Book WWZ zombies

[tough haven]

The death cultist in my party just got a critical failure on a social check twice in a row

[languid meadow]

Movie WWZ zombies and LFD zombies would tear you apart

[hollow lantern]

It'd be good for dead rising zombies too

[tough haven]

Death cultist so awkward, asked to never speak again

[young pecan]

John Romero's zombies when I just walk

[languid meadow]

for normals yeah but I'd hate to be trapped in that thing with the wasps

[lament shoal]

Imagine using this place as your hideout during the apocalypse

[hollow lantern]

Tbh

If you want to well actually

Most zombie apocalypses would be over in about a month tops

If you're somewhere cold they couldn't move

Bodies rot and fall apart fast when exposed to the elements

[hollow lantern]

No blood flow to keep the extremities warm

Freeze, lock up

If you're somewhere humid they'd rot faster

If it transmitted through flesh/blood bugs would be your biggest worry tbh

[opaque coyote]

It depends on how much fucking magic there is.

I think the only one that really acknowledged the cold part is ironically WWZ

But even then it's kinda handwaved

[hollow lantern]

Nah I'm just saying

[opaque coyote]

In that the cold does stop them but it doesn't permanently put them fown

They just get up after it warms up

[hollow lantern]

Well

Canada exists lol

Cold in most parts of Canada all the time iirc

[languid meadow]

The virus in WWZ (both versions) is so weird

like it's not that destruction to its host unlike rabies or other forms of zombiefication

also the green flu but that thing is like

pure science fiction

[hollow lantern]

Yeah

Green Flu is fucked up but also totally inconceivable

[languid meadow]

yeah rapidly mutating going from airborne to blood based

changing physiology

it's fun

but it's not one of the zombie apocs you go to look at being "realistic"

[celest dome]

Honestly the most scary thing about a realistic zombie Plague would be insects, like malaria is so difficult to prevent due to mosquitoes...
Imagine with a zombie virus

[languid meadow]

yeah that'd be one of the biggest issues

[hollow lantern]

Agreed

[opaque coyote]

In lore it basically is one big fuck you. It changes transmission, how it works, etc.

[languid meadow]

hordes of zombies would be like herds of animals in Africa with large populations of bugs following them since of course the infected don't care about being bitten

[hollow lantern]

If you want to count necromorphs I like whatever the fuck dead space has going on tbh

[languid meadow]

they're zombies

technically WWZ, LFD, and TLOU aren't "zombies"

[opaque coyote]

I don't think any zombie movie has done like

The horror that makes it so that human beings specifically turn animalistic.

Like they just turn into savage animals. Return to monkey type thing

But not literally

[languid meadow]

Zombies is them being dead and walking while these are mostly just people infected with a disease

[spring cairn]

yeah zombieqs are magic shit

[languid meadow]

the rage virus I think is one of the most "realistic" zombie depictions

since it's just rabies but evolved

[opaque coyote]

The Rage Virus is specifically fucking terrifying

Because like

A drop of blood

[hollow lantern]

28 days is really good tbh

[opaque coyote]

Literally changes you from normal

To a rage induced monster

[tough haven]

Use blunt weapons

so it doesnt break the skin

[hollow lantern]

Yeah, crack bones

[tough haven]

also PPE

[hollow lantern]

I really liked uh

God

[opaque coyote]

Yeah the scene even doesn't do that.

It was just a droplet of water from a bird that accidentally got into someone's eye

[hollow lantern]

What was the free zombie game from a decade ago?

On steam?

[opaque coyote]

Unturned?

[spring cairn]

no more room in hell

[hollow lantern]

I think no more room

I liked that the chainsaw had a chance of infecting you

[tough haven]

Cant they make some more room

[hollow lantern]

Cause of how much gore sprayed everywhere

[tough haven]

Should have worn goggles

[lament shoal]

Idk, depending on how squishy they are that could just make them burst open like a watermelon

[opaque coyote]

Yeah goggles and a mask are basically vital tbh

[hollow lantern]

Didn't they try charging for the second one and it fell apart

[spring cairn]

no more room in hell was so cool before they made the 2

[hollow lantern]

Cause it was poorly made or something

[spring cairn]

it was ass

[opaque coyote]

I liked 28 weeks later despite it being worse tbh

[tough haven]

But the rage virus doesnt make them squishier

[opaque coyote]

I mean it does make people vomit out blood

[hollow lantern]

Anyway zombie mode in plague Inc is fun

Play that sometime if you haven't

[opaque coyote]

Realistically they would die in like a day due to that

But whatever

[lament shoal]

Was 28 years later good

[opaque coyote]

[hollow lantern]

Haven't seen it yet tbh

Been too busy

[opaque coyote]

Same

[opaque coyote]

But it wouldn't be as interesting if the zombies all died in like

A week due to vomiting out their blood

[lament shoal]

Oh I was just talking zombies in general, not 28 days later mb

[tough haven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1435705077074628680/1479964007627755630/m2-res_1280p-19.mp4?ex=69adf363&is=69aca1e3&hm=cb1c575132f9115a5029aff071e4cdfac667330693db524451525d82ef4cf6e9&

[languid meadow]

TLOU is very cool

[tough haven]

The tone that makes cats jump

[languid meadow]

While not realistic it does show a real problem

That a lot of fungus based stuff is just super fucking hard to treat or we just can't

And with rising temperatures fungus infections might eclipse viral ones in areas

[languid meadow]

Heard it was decent

Bone temple however?

I've only heard very good things about

Also the rage virus is much closer to rabies than other "rabies" like zombies since it actively kills the infected just not as fast as rabies itself

Even then rabies can last months inside you before becoming active and weeks before it kills you

(if given fluids by people through non drinking means)

[storm jungle]

Its good but be warned very esoteric/strange

the directing style of the director alone makes it worth a watch imo, its very fascinating

[languid meadow]

It's very cool we need more zombie movies like it

[storm jungle]

Its not for everyone but i loved it

[languid meadow]

It's a lot closer to the original one I've heard

Than weeks