oh god the Ash letter
#40k-lore-chat
languid meadow
celest dome
Speaking about that as FS doing what they did to the Psyker (and Sienna's) staves are more so game sense than lore
arctic talon
because magic staffs are not needed for magic in 40k
jade holly
the funny disc hover thing
arctic talon
you can just blow up someones head by grasping hard with your hand
celest dome
They're basically just fulcrums at most
jade holly
you can just blow up someones head by grasping hard with your hand
Yeah but the staff adds imposing menace to how you look
languid meadow
sanc psykers only use them because you know they kind of have to
arctic talon
nah
Well
no
Sanctioned psykers are issued a force staff as a melee weapon
its not a focus for them
celest dome
sanc psykers only use them because you know they kind of have to
A lot of Sanctionned Psyker in lore don't have staves, nor Force Swords
opaque coyote
Sanctioned psykers are issued a force staff as a melee weapon
Honestly wish Psyker Quarterstaffs were a thing
arctic talon
Force swords are insanely rare
jade holly
Being a Psyker in 40K must suuuuuck
languid meadow
well duh for the force swords
arctic talon
Honestly wish Psyker Quarterstaffs were a thing
Thats what a force staff is
that is literally what a force staff is
opaque coyote
Being a Psyker in 40K must suuuuuck
I mean you're never alone
You have tons of friends
celest dome
that is literally what a force staff is
Might have meant in Darktide ?
opaque coyote
languid meadow
like 90% of the shit we use in darktide is super rare but it can be hand waved by the fact it's a game
celest dome
Which imo, not as interesting as other options they could go for
arctic talon
like 90% of the shit we use in darktide is super rare but it can be hand waved b...
Thunderhammer and force swords are the only thing out of our means
tbh
but Inqusition moment
also the relic blade
since its a relic
jade holly
but Inqusition moment
And the RT on our ship
languid meadow
bout to say
arctic talon
but again Inqusition
last stone
Needle pistol are special no?
arctic talon
Needle pistols that are high quality are rare as shit
opaque coyote
Thunderhammer and force swords are the only thing out of our means
Also tbf by the time we get access to Force Swords. Logically we survived enough to "earn" it.
celest dome
Thunderhammer and force swords are the only thing out of our means
More so the Deimos Force Sword than the other
arctic talon
oh yeah we
should not have that LOL
that is an ordo malleus weapon
The Hive Scum needle pistols are lore wise on the higher end of crap
jade holly
the GK wondering where their force sword went
arctic talon
but bad needle weapons are common enough
jade holly
the Pysker charging headlong into a Nurgle horde with a Zealot
last stone
Oh okay
languid meadow
I don't blame people for thinking needle weapons are on the rarer side
since most people are only exposed to them via eldar shit
and not the other stuff they're in
celest dome
They are, but more so cause they're not that requested
jade holly
Could we ever get anymore Stub guns?
celest dome
Heavy Stub
jade holly
Like the Stub Cannon in Necromunda or whatever it’s called
The thing that looks like a giant revolver
celest dome
Handcannons
nocturne crest
So here's a bit of an odd question, but does anyone want more human factions in 40k, be they Gue'vesa, Independent Mercs or something else?
celest dome
imo, not really needed
languid meadow
I want the arb heavy stub
opaque coyote
the GK wondering where their force sword went
In general, the Rogue Trader Grendyl teamed with is fucking stacked
celest dome
So here's a bit of an odd question, but does anyone want more human factions in ...
Nah, just do Chaos human in full force
languid meadow
So here's a bit of an odd question, but does anyone want more human factions in ...
I would want human auxs but they need to be shit
jade holly
In general, the Rogue Trader Grendyl teamed with is fucking stacked
Would not be surprised in the slightest if she manages to rope a Necron Lord into helping somehow
languid meadow
"denizens of the galaxy" would be a cool seperate thing from big 3 imo with the Severan Dominate but last I heard they were basically gonna fall anyway
that with more xenos mercs
opaque coyote
Would not be surprised in the slightest if she manages to rope a Necron Lord int...
Necron melee weapons for the rejects
languid meadow
like what we got with red corsairs
jade holly
Necron melee weapons for the rejects
And a new Deathmark NPC
opaque coyote
"denizens of the galaxy" would be a cool seperate thing from big 3 imo with the ...
I want to do more with the Severan
nocturne crest
like what we got with red corsairs
Red corsairs aren't human.
opaque coyote
Bits of lore is genuinely interesting
Sad that it's pretty much the only rogue empire that isn't due to like
languid meadow
that with more xenos mercs
@nocturne crest
nocturne crest
Hello?
languid meadow
the corsair box has a xeno merc we didn't have a model for
jade holly
40K if the loyalist and traitor chapters were swapped
opaque coyote
that with more xenos mercs
Kroot mercenary in Darktide
I will continue to hope for it
Until I turn into dust
My dead body
Will continue to root for it
When they dig up my grave hundreds of years later
jade holly
What xenos can we realistically see being playable?
opaque coyote
They will find a piece of preserved parchment
celest dome
None
storm jungle
None relaly
opaque coyote
"Kroot Merc in Darktide now"
jade holly
You think we’d ever get some form of playable GSC or does lore make that impossible
celest dome
And if one was planned on being added, the only possible one would have been Eldar, but none
storm jungle
Gestapo vs Cthulu Cultists
storm jungle
You think we’d ever get some form of playable GSC or does lore make that impossi...
wdym "playable", like as player characters?
if so absolutely not lol
opaque coyote
You think we’d ever get some form of playable GSC or does lore make that impossi...
Even more impossible
jade holly
Yeah
celest dome
And there is still some classes that could be done within the Imperium.
storm jungle
No lmao
nocturne crest
INB4 we get another chaos cult as a class.
limpid granite
Never ever
storm jungle
this is the equilavent of asking "when can we get a taliban CIA operative"
limpid granite
Genestealers are pure evil to the imperium
jade holly
I know the two main classes I hear people say are an Admech rep and SoB
languid meadow
this is the equilavent of asking "when can we get a taliban CIA operative"
1980s
opaque coyote
INB4 we get another chaos cult as a class.
Honestly, would be cool if it wasn't for the fact that the hub area wouldn't make sense
jade holly
but idk what else we could get off the top of my head
nocturne crest
Honestly, would be cool if it wasn't for the fact that the hub area wouldn't mak...
Penal bomb collars.
vagrant fox
What xenos can we realistically see being playable?
Don't listen to Dilara the next class is Eldar Corsair
storm jungle
Penal bomb collars.
Still doesnt make sense
limpid granite
but idk what else we could get off the top of my head
Maybe an eldar
languid meadow
jade holly
Maybe an eldar
Within the Imperium for classes
storm jungle
why the fuck would you have an infected non-obedient genetic cultist onboard an Inquisition ship
lament shoal
Fatshark is sticking to their humans only rule
storm jungle
its a braindead idea in-universe
opaque coyote
Penal bomb collars.
Makes zero sense
The ordinary rejects we have are barely allowed to begin with
limpid granite
Aeldari could be an option seeing as corsairs are trailing the mourningstar
opaque coyote
And they only can join because they wanted to
jade holly
Aeldari could be an option seeing as corsairs are trailing the mourningstar
Wait really?
languid meadow
I mean sky raiders can mean anything
storm jungle
Makes zero sense
The ordinary rejects we have are barely allowed to begin with
- Brahms/Hallowette literally still kill operatives who wander to unrestricted areas of the ship lol
nocturne crest
Oh damn it!
celest dome
Eldar (and other Xenos) would require a lot of changes, like explaining why Hadron would be working on Xenos weapons and all
storm jungle
Already posted, get out
jade holly
Boooo get original material
nocturne crest
limpid granite
its a braindead idea in-universe
||You can spare genestealers in rogue trader (this is the worst option you can take since your entire dynasty will get infested by genestealers)||
opaque coyote
Eldar (and other Xenos) would require a lot of changes, like explaining why Hadr...
Also I thought that the reason why they even employed rejects is because Grendyl isn't getting resupplied
storm jungle
||You can spare genestealers in rogue trader (this is the worst option you can t...
That isnt how it works
and isnt related to at all to Darktide's concept
lol
limpid granite
I know
nocturne crest
Also I thought that the reason why they even employed rejects is because Grendyl...
That and Grendyl doesn't want more inquisitors showing up.
winter pine
Would prefer if Fatshark sticks with a human vs human conflict tbqh
jade holly
I do want a GSC enemy faction
limpid granite
But an example of not just killing genestealers on sight
storm jungle
Genestealers would be fun as enemies
^
GSC at best are gonna be a future enemy faction
jade holly
More open tilesets with them so they can have vehicles
languid meadow
the only xenos we could see as an enemy is GSC since they're the closest to humans that would make sense but I don't think fatshark is gonna do another game with multiple factions
HOPEFULLY
opaque coyote
That and Grendyl doesn't want more inquisitors showing up.
Worst enemy of an Inquisitor
Another inquisitior
nocturne crest
Okay, I got a new idea: warp shit happens, the original characters from vermintide turn up in the game.
languid meadow
but beastmen, norscans, and skaven was an interesting mashup in VT2
jade holly
Okay, I got a new idea: warp shit happens, the original characters from verminti...
One already has as a new Ogryn
celest dome
The only problems with GSC as enemy is having them be alongside the current factions
winter pine
I mean technically aren't the Moebian Sixth and Admonition Cultist separate factions?
Not to the degree of VT2 tho definitely
languid meadow
idr if beastmen are spawned with norscans or skaven
limpid granite
Fatshark wouldnt put a genestealer cult symbol in the no man's land documents for no reason
languid meadow
I know norscans and skaven are together a lot
opaque coyote
the only xenos we could see as an enemy is GSC since they're the closest to huma...
I could see a Chaos Xenos as a boss
limpid granite
Chaos xenos?
celest dome
Not to the degree of VT2 tho definitely
They're both Nurglite
opaque coyote
Like a Nurgle Worshipper Xeno
jade holly
Fatshark wouldnt put a genestealer cult symbol in the no man's land documents fo...
Was there also something about Blightlords?
limpid granite
No
nocturne crest
Imagine if they get chaos space marines in Darktide, but it's the purge.
winter pine
Like a Nurgle Worshipper Xeno
Go for something way out of left field like a Barbaran Overlord
languid meadow
We do need a psyker enemy ngl
limpid granite
Blightlords have no mention in darktide
celest dome
Fatshark wouldnt put a genestealer cult symbol in the no man's land documents fo...
Yes they would, they bloody did that in VT1.
And it's meant to link up with the Xanathos situation
limpid granite
We do need a psyker enemy ngl
Nurglite sorcerer
opaque coyote
Imagine if they get chaos space marines in Darktide, but it's the purge.
I had the idea of a Word Bearer acting as a boss.
With the level having him preach in the intercoms about the virtues of Chaos
About how the dark gods will save our souls
jade holly
I had the idea of a Word Bearer acting as a boss.
With the level having him pre...
Yeah but why would a WB be here lorewise
limpid granite
It would be weird for a word bearer to show up on atoma
languid meadow
Aurora
opaque coyote
Yeah but why would a WB be here lorewise
To spread the word of Chaos
languid meadow
Nah they're choas undivided they'll work with what ever
languid meadow
the fucking WBs in RT are doing tzeentch stuff
limpid granite
Thats more a sm2 thing
jade holly
I’ll show it what happens to crustaceans in my state
Boiled and seasoned with Old Bay
limpid granite
A defiler would be a big fucking issue on atoma
raven stone
It isn’t even Monday and I miss the weekend already…
celest dome
Honestly the best way to add a new faction would be through having Belakor being the overseer, and deciding on having other Cults rise up to the fray
nocturne crest
Honestly, would be cool if it wasn't for the fact that the hub area wouldn't mak...
Wait, I have a solution: Another inquisitor shows up, with their own Chaos Warband.
nocturne crest
Have two hubs areas: The OG and the second one with this Horussian inquisitor.
jade holly
Is it literally just large scale chaos activity
winter pine
A Word Bearer showing up would be too much of an escalation for Grendyl to manage
opaque coyote
Fellas get ready to hate me, I don’t even know what a Darktide is lmao
Tbf that's the point
It's basically just "The enemies of Atoma"
And used in place of whatever enemy they do foght
celest dome
Fellas get ready to hate me, I don’t even know what a Darktide is lmao
Just a Moebian term for any enemy to the Imperial regime
celest dome
A Word Bearer showing up would be too much of an escalation for Grendyl to manag...
A Word Bearer ?
nocturne crest
jade holly
His name is John Word Bearer
celest dome
Like a single one or even just a small faction or them
vagrant fox
Fellas get ready to hate me, I don’t even know what a Darktide is lmao
the Darktide consist of a number of Daemons and Xenos species, that hold worlds within the Moebian Domain's borders.
there you go
celest dome
Like the Reject could kill a CSM
nocturne crest
https://tenor.com/view/lorgar-warhammer-40k-word-bearers-warhammer-cinnamoroll-g...
I just found this searching word bearer.
celest dome
It's very much no issue...
limpid granite
Honestly the best way to add a new faction would be through having Belakor being...
I dont think they would have be'lakor show up in darktide
languid meadow
The only reason I knew of term "darktide" was from WHF iirc
opaque coyote
Just a Moebian term for any enemy to the Imperial regime
Yeah part of the reasons why the 6th rebelled is because they were literally never told what they were fighting until they were in the trenches
winter pine
**A** Word Bearer ?
Just one confirmed to be helping the chaos insurgents might do it yeah
celest dome
I dont think they would have be'lakor show up in darktide
I think they will.
jade holly
It's very much no issue...
Word Bearer? Hadron, hand me the rusty spear
winter pine
Very much an enemy Imperials will drop everything to do with if they get wind of it
opaque coyote
Yeah part of the reasons why the 6th rebelled is because they were literally nev...
Which like
That alone would probably get most people to rebel ngl
celest dome
Just one confirmed to be helping the chaos insurgents might do it yeah
Hah, not really
languid meadow
I would actually fucking kill for 40k Be'lakor in a video game
he has aura in fantasy and AoS
but he's kind of a jobber in 40k
him being in a game like daemongate
jade holly
You know what would be terrifying to see in game as an obstacle we need to avoid most of the be mission then find a way to destroy at the end? A Plagueburst Crawler
celest dome
Belakor would also allow them to reference the U5 and the matter of the Vermintide
winter pine
Mortarian being a jobber for Daemongate was kino
limpid granite
https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-no-country-for-old-men-ok-oops-javier-barde...
Daemongate is questionable
languid meadow
I mean we got fucking morty in it
opaque coyote
I would actually fucking kill for 40k Be'lakor in a video game
Belakor?
What about Vashtorr
languid meadow
a game like that can explore larger daemons
limpid granite
It was pure fan service
languid meadow
Vashtorr got something cool recently
nocturne crest
Okay, one final idea that would be out there and might get me shot. T'au/Gue'vesa ship comes out of the warp, because they were fucking around again.
languid meadow
with arch-magos
storm jungle
It was pure fan service
Literally every GK material is fan service
they body Angron in Armageddon last year
the game isnt questionable
languid meadow
fucking DRAGO shows up lmao
limpid granite
Thats what i mean
celest dome
Okay, one final idea that would be out there and might get me shot. T'au/Gue'ves...
For Darktide ? They'd get shot by the Inquisition
limpid granite
jade holly
fucking DRAGO shows up lmao
I wanna like the GK cause magic swordsmen are always cool archetypes to me but then Drago ruins it
vagrant fox
GK operate purely on rule of cool
languid meadow
I just feel like two types of games can handle Bel
nocturne crest
For Darktide ? They'd get shot by the Inquisition
But will Gendyrl shoot them?
nocturne crest
celest dome
But will Gendyrl shoot them?
Basically yes
limpid granite
Be'lakor bossfight
jade holly
Does Bellakor even have a 40K tabletop model and rules?
limpid granite
Ancient chaos daemon loses to 4 shitheads
celest dome
Does Bellakor even have a 40K tabletop model and rules?
It's the same model yes
limpid granite
He has a 3rd and 9th edition model
jade holly
Chaos Daemon codex I’m assuming?
celest dome
Belakor shoudln't be something you face, but rather like VT2 having it be the background enemy
near wasp
Who has the meme of belakor and a steel chair
jade holly
Is that even a codex?
storm jungle
Does Bellakor even have a 40K tabletop model and rules?
His reveal literally had a 40k and AOS base prepped for both settings
languid meadow
I didn't even realize he has a chaos warrior as a corpse for his AoS model?
for 40k it's a marine lol
storm jungle
yeah its a chaos warrior + Primaris LT
wintry cloud
I didn't even realize he has a chaos warrior as a corpse for his AoS model?
You can switch the model ye
He goes where he pleases
limpid granite
Belakor is a primordial daemon right?
nocturne crest
Basically yes
Okay.
limpid granite
I know they seperated fantasy and 40k
storm jungle
Belakor is a primordial daemon right?
He is the very first daemon prince
nocturne crest
Digganobz class?
hollow lantern
He's iirc the first daemon prince in 40k, idk about fantasy
storm jungle
same lore in both settings
storm jungle
He's iirc the first daemon prince in 40k, idk about fantasy
Same there
wintry cloud
He's iirc the first daemon prince in 40k, idk about fantasy
Ye same
celest dome
Digganobz class?
Killed on sight
limpid granite
But what about belakors connection with age of sigmar and 40k?
arctic talon
Belakor is the first daemon prince in both WHFB and 40k
storm jungle
Fantasy Belakor has more lore
wintry cloud
Hes always the first
winter pine
Belakor is a primordial daemon right?
I think he's the very first mortal the chaos gods ascended to princedom
languid meadow
honestly the one gripe I have with the magic of 40k is I like the winds of AoS and Fantasy
celest dome
But what about belakors connection with age of sigmar and 40k?
2 separate being
arctic talon
But what about belakors connection with age of sigmar and 40k?
none
limpid granite
Bruh
arctic talon
he's not a human in 40k
hollow lantern
And then the gods went "well, we aren't making that mistake again"
arctic talon
explictly
storm jungle
The settings being seperated is better
arctic talon
Belakor is a xenos in 40k of some unknown species
storm jungle
get this crossover shit out of here
hollow lantern
he's not a human in 40k
It'd be functionally impossible for him to be one
arctic talon
Belakor in AoS/WHFB is probably a person
jade holly
Has Be’lakor been around longer than Vashtorr?
arctic talon
yes presumably
hollow lantern
Has Be’lakor been around longer than Vashtorr?
Yes
languid meadow
get this crossover shit out of here
outside of insanely small comedy shit yeah
storm jungle
Has Be’lakor been around longer than Vashtorr?
We dont know
arctic talon
in terms of irl function also yes
languid meadow
the only crossover I like is the stupid fuckign skaven one
since it fits them because they're so stupid
arctic talon
It'd be functionally impossible for him to be one
some people have tried to argue he's a human bcs of chaos bullshit but I think its dumb and they're dumb and I'm glad GW put their idiot theory to rest
because I never need to acknowledge it again
hollow lantern
I'm glad there's like, an example of an ascended xeno
nocturne crest
I guess admech or sisters is the only way to go forward as the next human class.
jade holly
Wait 40K Bel isn’t just a daemon?
arctic talon
Belakor is a daemon prince yes
nocturne crest
Unless we get space marine scouts.
arctic talon
that means ascended mortal
jade holly
I know next to nothing about the guy lmao
languid meadow
he's a prince in both so once a mortal
celest dome
I guess admech or sisters is the only way to go forward as the next human class.
Adept and Assassin too
Depending on what they want to do
vagrant fox
I do like the wink wink nudge reference crossovers but keep it to that
near wasp
nocturne crest
Wait, can blood angels scouts fall to the black rage?
languid meadow
they have geneseed so yes
vagrant fox
yes
arctic talon
Thirst is a feature
jade holly
https://klipy.com/gifs/read-23
Reading it right now and the first thing I see is wild
“Like a petulant first-born son, he is jealous of anyone that wins the favour of Chaos, and thus seeks to undermine them.”
arctic talon
black rage is a bug
jade holly
storm jungle
Reading it right now and the first thing I see is wild
“Like a petulant first-...
Yeh
wintry cloud
black rage is a bug
True lmao
vagrant fox
Happens to some in the blood sarcophagus as they get the implants iirc
languid meadow
the only thing scouts lack is like full augmentations but they're given geneseed like as one fo the first things they get
limpid granite
Literally **every** blood angel can fall to it
even dante of all people can fall to the black rage
jade holly
black rage is a bug
B-b-but God Howard said it’s not a bug it’s…. It’s a…
storm jungle
even dante of all people can fall to the black rage
Yeah btu he never will
limpid granite
geneseed is a very strong thing
limpid granite
also a very low amount of blood angels remained sane after falling to the rage
languid meadow
I wanted to say I was surprised they didn't choose a stormcast for his death model
and don't say they'll get teleported
necrons do that and they're death models as well
limpid granite
and i (think) mephiston fell to the black rage twice
languid meadow
potato potato
storm jungle
espdecially when you know Belakor's pettiness
arctic talon
Yeah
languid meadow
that's why he's the goat
arctic talon
Also belakor's main enemy is fucking Chaos ironically
storm jungle
THE goat
wintry cloud
Belakor cares more about becoming top chaos dog than sigmar
languid meadow
(in fantasy and AoS)
storm jungle
yeah also people forget
arctic talon
yeah
storm jungle
his animosity remains the same from WHF
storm jungle
especially with Archaon now being the uhh
wintry cloud
Yeah
arctic talon
he pretended to be loyal for a bit
storm jungle
looks at script
wintry cloud
His main enemy is archaon
storm jungle
Grand Marshal of the Apocalypse
arctic talon
But now he uh
limpid granite
belakor isnt older than the chaos gods right
arctic talon
He's not pretending to be loyal anymore
he built his own fuckin army
and is ready to KILL
languid meadow
based alert
storm jungle
belakor isnt older than the chaos gods right
Chaos gods have always existed
arctic talon
belakor isnt older than the chaos gods right
he's a prince
so he has to be younger
lol
storm jungle
Belakor isnt a daemon
limpid granite
Belakor isnt a daemon
arctic talon
Belakor is not neverborn
limpid granite
what.
arctic talon
is what Dilara is saying
storm jungle
https://tenor.com/view/cod-waw-call-of-duty-world-at-war-cod-world-at-war-call-o...
Hes a fucking daemon prince
storm jungle
he isnt some primoridal being
arctic talon
therfore he exists within time still to an extent
limpid granite
so hes a daemon?
storm jungle
oh my god man
nocturne crest
Okay, I got it. Blood angel scout, but if you use their abilities to many times, they call fall to the black rage and make everyone look like horus.
arctic talon
Sort of but not really
storm jungle
no hes a fucking box of cereals
languid meadow
at this point he's a warp entity
arctic talon
He's not neverborn so he does not exist outside time properly like other daemons
limpid granite
arctic talon
He's still a daemon prince
near wasp
He's a daemon prince he's a mortal who's been ascended into being a daemon
languid meadow
holy shit I just realized
arctic talon
A REAL AMERICAN HERO
languid meadow
fucking satan from smiling friends
near wasp
I had the meme loaded I had to
languid meadow
looks like be'lakor
arctic talon
A TRUE WAR MONGER
storm jungle
He doesnt war monger, mongers war him
languid meadow
"man I fucking hate that Archaon guy"
storm jungle
limpid granite
"man I fucking hate that Archaon guy"
the diablo 4 demon from the tga also looked like smiling friends satan lmao
languid meadow
tbf it's like
vanilla ass satan
only beaten by southpark
and be'lakor is very much vanilla satan flavoured by shadow instead of fire
wintry cloud
fucking satan from smiling friends
Be’lakor has a few satan motifs
Maybe alot
arctic talon
Belakor's a bitch join Archaon
languid meadow
it's pretty good
wintry cloud
he's just shadow satan
Idk why this sentence is so cool
vagrant fox
I can't believe they enshittified Mephisto
languid meadow
I wanted to avoid saying "satan but black"
arctic talon
Satan but Ulgu
wintry cloud
Bro 😂
near wasp
I wanted to avoid saying "satan but black"
arctic talon
I forgot do we even know if Belakor is human in WHFB
jade holly
So Daemon Princes are mortals who have ascended to the highest level of Daemonic influence and power they can obtain*?
limpid granite
hes actualy balrog from lord of the rings
arctic talon
Daemon Princes are mortals who have literally become daemons
they're no longer mortal
they have some slightly different rules from normal daemons
but most of it is the same
jade holly
So the ascension straight up turns them daemon got it
celest cedar
I wanted to avoid saying "satan but black"
DEI hire satan
limpid granite
at this point titus killed 2 ascending chaos princes
arctic talon
they remanifest and manifest easier
storm jungle
So Daemon Princes are mortals who have ascended to the highest level of Daemonic...
celest dome
I forgot do we even know if Belakor is human in WHFB
I think it's implied that he is from a time earlier than the "current human"
arctic talon
interesting
celest dome
Like Constant Drachenfels
storm jungle
Drachenfels was like
near wasp
You just love that uncle rukas (no relation) gif
storm jungle
an old world neandrethal or something wasnt he
vagrant fox
https://klipy.com/gifs/read-23
This never works
celest dome
ye
celest cedar
https://klipy.com/gifs/read-23
READ FELLA READ
arctic talon
look who CAN'T SAY
the mods have advised me not to continue this joke
languid meadow
why the fuck can't I find the wiki page for fantasy/aos be'lakor
celest dome
But Belakor wasn't explained on whether or not he was or wasn't human
languid meadow
there we go
storm jungle
But Belakor wasn't explained on whether or not he was or wasn't human
He isnt human
storm jungle
if he was they'd say so
storm jungle
Zesty AHH
arctic talon
Belakor got a huge glowup tbh
from his old mini
he looked so fucking lame back then
lol
languid meadow
I found it after I sent that mesage because I had to directly search for it
wintry cloud
from his old mini
yeah his new model is like so S tier
hes massive and imposing
his WINGS
celest dome
He isnt human
I do not think he is, but i'm not certain of that
arctic talon
ngl
languid meadow
"At the dawn of time, Be'lakor was blessed by all Chaos gods. In the time before the rise of the Elves against Chaos, Be'lakor held the world in an iron fist," it's still a mystery
arctic talon
properly
celest dome
Kinda like in 40k, has he ever said he wasn't human ?
storm jungle
I'm surprised Archaon hasn't tried to kill Belakor yet
He prob doesnt care
jade holly
Ok so I thought Daemon Primarch and Daemon Princes were separate things but this makes more sense
arctic talon
considering have you seen the average human
languid meadow
He predates humans as well in fantasy so he's prob idk
storm jungle
like, pre-AOS Archaon was literally traversing the cosmos destroying entire realities before he came to the Mortal Realms
celest cedar
what that tongue do
arctic talon
and how racist they are
near wasp
what that tongue do
Wouldn't you like to find out weirdo
wintry cloud
Ok so I thought Daemon Primarch and Daemon Princes were separate things but this...
same thing but one is a primarch
storm jungle
same thing but one is a primarch
^
jade holly
So is Vashtorr then a Greater Daemon?
storm jungle
Daemon Primarchs are also daemon princes
storm jungle
So is Vashtorr then a Greater Daemon?
hes a demi-god
languid meadow
^
storm jungle
the lore outright says as much
arctic talon
Vashtorr is a demi god/very big daemon
storm jungle
which is an important distinction
arctic talon
Demi god is most accurate though
storm jungle
the "demi-god" bit puts him leagues above Princes
near wasp
Vashtoor is a primordial daemon
jade holly
Aka actually has a shot to become a chaos god unlike Betakor
celest dome
He is of a different Aetheric Domain than the 4 Great Chaos Gods
arctic talon
he posses his own domain
languid meadow
I hope he gets the GHR treatment but I know he wont
wintry cloud
I hope he gets the GHR treatment but I know he wont
i would be so happy
storm jungle
I hope he gets the GHR treatment but I know he wont
He likely will eventually
but we are talking like
arctic talon
bcs of the master of the Forge of Souls
storm jungle
IRL 10 years or so
storm jungle
because they are REALLY pushing him
jade holly
Great Horned Rat treatment?
arctic talon
for his ascension
storm jungle
they'll also likely make the IW his legion
storm jungle
GW is already combining them on tabletop
arctic talon
Great Horned Rat treatment?
Great Horned rat went from minor chaos god to full blown chaos god
vagrant fox
look who CAN'T SAY
*the mods have advised me not to continue this joke*
Automod can't catch you if you say 黒人
languid meadow
maybe even more DM stuff as well
jade holly
Great Horned rat went from minor chaos god to full blown chaos god
So what he wants in actual lore got it
languid meadow
I would prefer dark mechanicum over any fuck ass legion ngl
arctic talon
Automod can't catch you if you say 黒人
Thats not even the slur
near wasp
He's shown up in multiple books recently
arctic talon
thats just what you call black people 💀
jade holly
and his domain would the dark side of creation, Innovation and Modification?
celest dome
Honestly if GW made the other Aetheric domain be used, I don't necessarily think Vashtor would be the new god
vagrant fox
I forgot the slur lmbo
arctic talon
and his domain would the dark side of creation, Innovation and Modification?
Malevolent Artifice
Don't type it
smh
wintry cloud
hes artifice or something
arctic talon
Malice is Ravanous Dissolution
languid meadow
ew I forgot he's like an angry small person in this art
arctic talon
Thats what GW has made obvious
so far lol
in terms of behavior
or just straight up saying it
the Aetheric domains to not apply to AoS/WHFB
wintry cloud
Malice is Ravanous Dissolution
so i can refer to Malice as canon?
arctic talon
Malice has always been canon
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
malal has never been canon to 40k
languid meadow
I do think 40k is missing the flavour of the warp that fantasy and aos have
celest dome
Malice is Ravanous Dissolution
Not FOrmless Distortion ?
languid meadow
Malice is ignored but at least Vashtorr is getting something
arctic talon
the Aetheric domains are explictly the insane ramblings of Inqusitors and Tech Priests coalated into a basic understanding of it
storm jungle
I do think 40k is missing the flavour of the warp that fantasy and aos have
Not "think". It absolutely is.
storm jungle
AOS and WHF's take on chaos is like
extremely philosophical
and surprisingly deep
40k is very generic
arctic talon
Not FOrmless Distortion ?
No, Ravanous Dissolution daemons are self destructive
they attack other daemons regularly
and turn on each other
storm jungle
and i say this as a 40k fangirl lol
languid meadow
We're missing a Hashutt but I guess Vashtorr KIND OF fits that
arctic talon
Hashut has nothing to do with the Chaos Dwarves being industrialized
jade holly
the Aetheric domains are explictly the insane ramblings of Inqusitors and Tech P...
Wait… does that mean in a very minuscule way it’s also connected to the Void Dragon given the whole thing on Mars? Is the Dragon on Mars even confirmed to be Mag’ladroth or just heavily implied to be him?
arctic talon
He's the Chaos God of Tyranny/being a facist asshole lol
vagrant fox
I'm going to do a Shermans march on AoS they've had it too good for too long
storm jungle
Wait… does that mean in a very minuscule way it’s also connected to the Void Dra...
Not really no
languid meadow
BHAL?
storm jungle
C'tan dont feed from shit like chaos gods do
languid meadow
FUCK I'm a FRAUD
storm jungle
they do like relaity warping shit
languid meadow
I forgot Bane existed lmfao
languid meadow
but yeah maybe Malice will get something (NO the fuck he wont lmao)
arctic talon
He has many evil industrialists under his command
Malice is neglected in every GW system
LOL
languid meadow
he need more smaller warp entities that do shit
storm jungle
but yeah maybe Malice will get something (NO the fuck he wont lmao)
He wont because GW doesnt care about chaos factions that arent big dogs
languid meadow
Vashtorr the goat
arctic talon
Fucks sake the Raptor God has more lol
I want the Raptor god in AoS because I'm boring
and unimaginative
wintry cloud
but yeah maybe Malice will get something (NO the fuck he wont lmao)
i would love a white/black themed chaos characters and such
jade holly
What are the most plausible guesses as to what Vashtorr and Perturabo work on together?
languid meadow
but yeah Hashut and GHR make Chaos way more interesting in fantasy and AoS
jade holly
Obv new Daemon Engines
arctic talon
oh yeah btw did you guys see how they made one of Malice's buddies in AoS
limpid granite
I could maybe see pestigors in darktide
languid meadow
Vashtorr seems to fucking hate the iron warriors
wintry cloud
What are the most plausible guesses as to what Vashtorr and Perturabo work on to...
cosmic demon-tech nuke idk
arctic talon
the "Smiling God"
languid meadow
let me find the passage
arctic talon
Vashtorr fucking hates mortals
vashtorr is like
mega racist to meat bags
he genuinely hates mortals so much
its absurd
languid meadow
I don't blame him
arctic talon
LOL
wintry cloud
he genuinely hates mortals so much
is he like demigod ultron?
jade holly
mega racist to meat bags
Bro’s gonna pull a Revenant from Apex and call mortals Skinsuits
arctic talon
I want vashtorr in AoS
storm jungle
Anyway 50000000000000000 chaos-dollars to the Forge of Souls
arctic talon
I want vashtorr in AoS
limpid granite
Vashtorr seems to fucking hate the iron warriors
Considering he got trapped by them yes
arctic talon
500000000000 more Souls to the forge of souls
jade holly
Anyway 50000000000000000 chaos-dollars to the Forge of Souls
And 12 billion bones to Nagash
arctic talon
he got summoned by them
storm jungle
people overhype that scene so much
arctic talon
the ritual was faulty
vagrant fox
The aos greed is sickening
celest dome
I don't want Vashtorr to be in AoS as I don't think there would be enough Industry to cause the domain to open up
languid meadow
Honestly I could see Vashtorr having the same relationship with his followers as Hashut does with Chorfs (FOR DIFFERENT REASONS OF COURSE)
storm jungle
they also assumed Vashtorr was an arrogant small fry
Then he revealed this wasnt even himself, it was just some avatar projection lmao
arctic talon
but yeah Zuvassin is in AoS
limpid granite
Ah
jade holly
I Just assume if a chaos god or something very powerful lets you hold them like a hostage, they’re doing that because they want something from you and haven’t broken free yet because they haven’t gotten it yet
languid meadow
a
wintry cloud
they also assumed Vashtorr was an arrogant small fry
Then he revealed this wasn...
yeah thanks to this editor here
languid meadow
smiling friend
arctic talon
Malice, and "the smiling one"
wintry cloud
its straight on his page lmao
arctic talon
I don't want Vashtorr to be in AoS as I don't think there would be enough Indust...
Tbh we know the forge of souls is occupied by someone and someone is running it
celest dome
Necoho 🙏
storm jungle
yeah thanks to this editor here
Can always rely on the Lexi to dash the fandom lies 🙏
arctic talon
yeah all thats left is Necoho
he's the only one to like
not come back yet
in any form
Malal and Zuvassin are both back
storm jungle
People misinformation'd that scene SO MUCH
because no one read to the end of the book
where Vashtorr is like
"okay im done playing along"
lmao
arctic talon
he tears out everyones arms
jade holly
People misinformation'd that scene SO MUCH
About as much as the Tau finding the dreadnought?
storm jungle
About as much as the Tau finding the dreadnought?
Yes
storm jungle
among many other things
my favorite part is
he warns them
5 TIMES
He legit wants to strike a deal
jade holly
What was the actual context of that scene? The memes have corrupted my memory of it
storm jungle
but the IW are so arrogant that they enever do it
and hes like
"Okay i guess lmao"
slaughters them
arctic talon
Like
storm jungle
then of course the IW kneels
arctic talon
He leaves them mutilated but alive
storm jungle
and pledges lmao
arctic talon
explictly btw
💀
not that they're gona live for long
with all their everything torn out
LOL
jade holly
Wait, could Vashtorr be the key to bringing Chaos Androids back fully?
limpid granite
How tf would vashtorr influence cawl
languid meadow
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ushmengar we have these assholes that have like nothing
storm jungle
How tf would vashtorr influence cawl
This is like asking how does winds influence clouds
limpid granite
Wait, could Vashtorr be the key to bringing Chaos Androids back fully?
This is already kind of a thing with sekethar robots since i believe theyre automatons ai
wintry cloud
How tf would vashtorr influence cawl
one is hyper obsessed with tech and the other is a demigod that is empowered by innovation and technology?
arctic talon
yeah
languid meadow
Cawl is like the only motherfucker doing anything in the imperium and prob has the most access to empower him
arctic talon
tech priests in general feed the fucker
storm jungle
^
jade holly
Anything Cawl does feeds Vashtorr
Cawl will build an anti Vashtorr device easy, just watch
storm jungle
Cawl will build an anti Vashtorr device easy, just watch
❌
languid meadow
even over the dark mechanicum since they don't have access to the same resources
celest dome
Will we ever get a confirmation on which Domain the GHR is containing ?
languid meadow
like it's a water fountain compared to an ocean
celest dome
Formless or Ravenous right ?
arctic talon
Will we ever get a confirmation on which Domain the GHR is containing ?
no because AoS doesn't use them
storm jungle
I hate when people hype him up as a magical fix anything button lol
Tbh unfortunately they arent wrong
its literally what he is rn
arctic talon
the Aetheric domains are also explictly innacurate and incomplete
storm jungle
he faces ZERO opposition
like the books constantly say
OH HES UNDER THREAT
OH HES CONSTANTLY PRESSURED
but we see none of that
jade holly
its literally what he is rn
He’s now jut a tool to progress the story forward
arctic talon
eh
storm jungle
a guy appears accusing him on behalf of the Inquisition
and he just talks around it
arctic talon
they're like 7/10 lol
storm jungle
He’s now jut a tool to progress the story forward
Correct
the annoying thing is like
Cawl is legit a very fun character to read
languid meadow
OH HES CONSTANTLY PRESSURED
his crashout in archmagos was fucking funny tho
storm jungle
but his "status" as a plot device is extremely annoying
arctic talon
yeah
languid meadow
"YOU STUPID FUCKING IDIOTS IM THE ONLY ONE DOING ANYTHING!"
storm jungle
throw Cawl in the deathstar trash chute NOW
near wasp
The trial of cawl is the best chapter in any book
limpid granite
I wouldnt expect less from a dude whose lived 10k years
jade holly
I really hope the Dragon in Mars being the Void Dragon is real, it would be so hilarious
limpid granite
Close to 13k now
storm jungle
its the void dragon
celest dome
The Dragon is indeed a Shard
languid meadow
as long as it isn't the omnissiah we're good
storm jungle
a strong one
hollow lantern
still mad the void dragon isnt literally a dragon
jade holly
its the void dragon
Ok I always thought it was heavily implied but never confirmed
celest dome
And it communicate with a human Psyker ? I think
languid meadow
since that would be BORING
storm jungle
Ok I always thought it was heavily implied but never confirmed
its heavily implied t othe point that everoyne knows its basically true
but its indeed technically not "confirmed"
but the amount of necron references to it is like
arctic talon
if its not a void dragon shard
storm jungle
"okay GW we get it"
jade holly
It’s gonna be so hilarious when it eventually manages to break free
near wasp
It wont
celest dome
We don't even know if it is trying to
languid meadow
also I love how human Cawl is despite being older than dirt
arctic talon
we don't even know if its trying to escape
jade holly
also I love how human Cawl is despite being older than dirt
And being more machine than man
arctic talon
there's a guardian
celest dome
Like it's even communicating via a kid
jade holly
Yeah true, maybe he enjoys being worshipped again
jade holly
Yeah fair
vagrant fox
Cawl showing up to Sotha after it's completely stripped bare by nids and saying I can fix this ez 🙂
storm jungle
no
arctic talon
explictly
storm jungle
shut up
limpid granite
The void dragon is the machine spirit right?
vagrant fox
Shoo don't contradict me
arctic talon
machine spirits are a bunch of different fucking things
jade holly
One of the most powerful C’tan if memory serves
limpid granite
...
arctic talon
Ranging from psychic imprints to AI fragments to actual Ai
limpid granite
I thought for a very long time that the machine spirit was the void dragon
languid meadow
One of the most powerful C’tan if memory serves
No actually it's another C'tan we know next to fucking nothing about
storm jungle
I thought for a very long time that the machine spirit was the void dragon
To give an actual answer; Machine Spirits are actually a thing but what they are is left up in the air for writers to play around and have fun with in novels and rulebooks. They are either:
- Actual magic machine spirits
- Leftover AI
- Influence of the C'tan of the Void Dragon lumbering under Mars.
limpid granite
lament shoal
Is the knight/titan warhorn the machine spirit doing a battlecry or nah
languid meadow
Leftover AI is my fav
storm jungle
Is the knight/titan warhorn the machine spirit doing a battlecry or nah
just loud noise
jade holly
No actually it's another C'tan we know next to fucking nothing about
Hence why I said one of. For the ones we do know about it’s def on the higher end
languid meadow
I want the Omnissiah to be a god AI like Anubis
storm jungle
Leftover AI is my fav
Crime spoilers but
celest dome
To give an actual answer; Machine Spirits are actually a thing but what they are...
Kinda like STC being used for a couple of different things
storm jungle
one of the shorts has a story like this
storm jungle
where the guy is trying to solve a murder in some rich aristocrat house
and the twist is the killer was an AI possessing the House
and protecting the family
its very neat
limpid granite
I do like the machine spirit being the void dragon
languid meadow
AI are some of the best parts of 40k
lament shoal
just loud noise
Yeah but it is it triggered manually by the crew or is it something the machine spirit does?
storm jungle
100%
storm jungle
Yeah but it is it triggered manually by the crew or is it something the machine ...
its literally a horn, its triggered
its a psychological weapon
languid meadow
the overly used example being UR and the DAOT ship
lament shoal
Gotcha, ty
languid meadow
also the one in the arch mechanicus
storm jungle
the overly used example being UR and the DAOT ship
100%
i love robots in fiction for that reason
their entire idea is servitude/slaveryt
so its nice to see them "free" in 40k
languid meadow
the DAOT one is a bit heartwarming since it seemed to actually give a shit about the crew
until you know the apes showed up
storm jungle
Yeah it literally said "fuck you all, im leaving"
languid meadow
Also plays into the fact that the men of iron uprising wasn't as black and white
jade holly
So wait
languid meadow
in which a lot of AI prob sided with humanity in some regard
just to be wiped out and hated
jade holly
In terms of C’tan shards I know one is in Mars, and another is now with Ammentar and waking him up
storm jungle
Also plays into the fact that the men of iron uprising wasn't as black and white
No robot uprising is ever black and white, people really love joking about it on terminator when even its inspiration with the Butlerian Jihad in Dune left it vague as to why the robots rose up
jade holly
Do we know where Mepet’ran is?
storm jungle
AND funnily humanity literally later made peace with them
storm jungle
Do we know where Mepet’ran is?
Shards.
arctic talon
Tbf Terminators aren't even a robot uprising lol
languid meadow
Skynet is weird
storm jungle
Its 1 rogue AI basically
celest dome
in which a lot of AI prob sided with humanity in some regard
It's quite possible that it was just a civil war and the side that was on the losing side used a lot of robots and AI
storm jungle
Like any active shards? Like we do with Mag’ladroth and Aza’gorod
Some here and there
storm jungle
Skynet is an algorithim thing
TRUE
Also like
Skynet literally did the job the US military wanted it to do
LMAO
languid meadow
it's either genocidal insane or ends up making peace and doing a fucking utopia with humanity
limpid granite
Nekrosor just casually having a tsar bomb in his pocket
arctic talon
its not a proper sentient/sapient AI
languid meadow
let me find the comic
languid meadow
its not a proper sentient/sapient AI
it depends
arctic talon
well
jade holly
Skynet acted on pure logic with no morality and ethics in the way
languid meadow
on the timeline
jade holly
It did what it was tasked to do
languid meadow
Skynet in some timelines is either just a rogue machine or a thinking living being
limpid granite
Its a real damn shame that the nightbringer was leaked so early
vagrant fox
AM just did what it was supposed to do don't hate my boy
limpid granite
Wouldve been an insane anouncement alongside nekrosor
celest dome
Iirc, movie wise it's not sentient, it's just accomplishing a task, but comics, games and stuff imply it being a full AI at some point
jade holly
Its a real damn shame that the nightbringer was leaked so early
Feels Ammentar just sorta came and went ngl, guess he’ll be developed overtime?
storm jungle
it's either genocidal insane or ends up making peace and doing a fucking utopia ...
Its the same reason I always find shit like people using "clanker" as "ironically" icky.
Hating living robots in fiction and people IRL supporting has always rubbed me the wrong way because theres a lot of subtext to it when you know the true origin of robotic servants in ficiton in general.
Helldivers entire Cyberstan event kinda also showed it really lol
storm jungle
Feels Ammentar just sorta came and went ngl, guess he’ll be developed overtime?
Hes a footnote oneminded character with zero interesting motivation
its why he has no material
limpid granite
Feels Ammentar just sorta came and went ngl, guess he’ll be developed overtime?
He summoned the nightbringer and titus got his ass beat
So my guess is sm3 will continue with nekrosor
arctic talon
Ammentar really does not have much to him lol
storm jungle
hes perfect for SM3 as hes just a generic killer necron
celest dome
I really want more stories where AI are treated by working class people as colleagues that need to join the worker union rather than enemy
arctic talon
he's more force of nature then complex character
jade holly
Hes a footnote oneminded character with zero interesting motivation
Yeah but given he’s the First Destroyer and basically the leader of the destroyer cult he should have more development
storm jungle
I really want more stories where AI are treated by working class people as colle...
This is why Votann are great
hollow lantern
Yk what I want? More stuff about the glass throne.
arctic talon
not really?
storm jungle
Yeah but given he’s the First Destroyer and basically the leader of the destroye...
He just wants to kill. Thats it relaly.
arctic talon
I really want more stories where AI are treated by working class people as colle...
"dataslate of grudges for calling me a clanker"
storm jungle
Human hate of robots is also just very icky in general
people joke about it but if artificial life existed we'd absolutely kill it
our ape-like mindset of hating anything different than us is supreme lol
vagrant fox
You'd think the Imperial Fist chapter master would have some development but not all of these characters matter
jade holly
He just wants to kill. Thats it relaly.
I guess maybe making him more of a horro esque Boogeyman in the back of characters’ minds as the main destroyer force does work can probably be written well?
hollow lantern
You ever watch Chappie?
storm jungle
I guess maybe making him more of a horro esque Boogeyman in the back of characte...
Hes already that
hollow lantern
You seem like a Chappie fan.
limpid granite
hes perfect for SM3 as hes just a generic killer necron
Hes the alledged progenitor for the destroyer virus which is interresting enough
storm jungle
You ever watch Chappie?
THE DAY it came out, absolute cinema
arctic talon
I guess maybe making him more of a horro esque Boogeyman in the back of characte...
he literally is that
limpid granite
And has necron dynasties fear him
hollow lantern
Depends on the robot for me.
limpid granite
So maybe a necron ultramarine allience in sm3
storm jungle
Iron Giant, Real Steel, Wall-E, etc
hollow lantern
Big fan of Chappie tho
jade holly
he literally is that
Like I know he is but showing that influence more in stories going forward, like whenever destroyers are around you feel his presence even if he’s not there
hollow lantern
daring creek
Iron Giant, Real Steel, Wall-E, etc
Do you happen to be a transformer fan
languid meadow
Skynet with the US
the Soviet one
and the one in Japan
storm jungle
Do you happen to be a transformer fan
Absolutely.
jade holly
Do you happen to be a transformer fan
I am
languid meadow
one of the newest timelines has the one in Japan save it from skynet before taking over
daring creek
https://tenor.com/view/chappie-sup-gif-25364486
Whats this movie again i totally forgot
hollow lantern
Iron Giant, Real Steel, Wall-E, etc
I go. You stay. No following.
limpid granite
Wall-E is peak
jade holly
Hot take: Blackout was the coolest thing the Bayverse movies ever gave us
hollow lantern
Whats this movie again i totally forgot
Chappie
hollow lantern
I love that whole pseudo trilogy tbh
storm jungle
Do you happen to be a transformer fan
arctic talon
hollow lantern
District 9, Chappie, Elysium
celest dome
The TF2 story with the pilot
daring creek
Illegal alien spotted
hollow lantern
Prime really is the best.
vagrant fox
Iron Giant gets a pass for being good
opaque coyote
also in some timelines there are two AIs in the terminator universe
Y'know the saddest part is that some Terminator lore is actually interesting.
The problem is that most of the media in Terminator barely decide to tackle the fucked up Future
limpid granite
arctic talon
The TF2 story with the pilot
Tbf Titan cores are literal sapient Ai
daring creek
Isn't the Iron Giant designed to be a weapon or am I getting it wrong entirely
arctic talon
but they're kind of slaves
hollow lantern
Isn't the Iron Giant designed to be a weapon or am I getting it wrong entirely
He is
languid meadow
Y'know the saddest part is that some Terminator lore is actually interesting.
T...
It's also a fucking MESS
vagrant fox
Kent Mansley is so cool
arctic talon
Titan AI's main goal is to protect their Pilot/Accomplish mission paramaters
its hard coded into them
they're slaves to their functions despite being sentient and sapient
languid meadow
that's the issue with a lot of 80s properties
opaque coyote
https://tenor.com/view/transformers-age-of-extinction-lockdown-fire-gun-transfor...
Most of the Michael Bay transformers hurt my eyes due to the amount of moving parts
But I admit.
That sequence was fucking cool
languid meadow
Aliens
Predator
Terminator
these 3 have such a shit time making any cohesive universe
hollow lantern
Iron Giant's entire premise iirc is "what if a gun had a soul?"
languid meadow
yea
daring creek
Wait can transformers really be considered robots