40k-lore-chat

[urban spire]

berets are not just french

[opaque coyote]

When a human defects to the Tau

They automatically turn french

[urban spire]

the bongs wear them too

[opaque coyote]

[rose thorn]

its the spot of alllll spots

[solid horizon]

they look french

[opaque coyote]

This is why the Imperium exterminates them

[heady rivet]

Ah sorry i took that spot pick another

[opaque coyote]

Clearly

[rose thorn]

fuckkk

[arctic talon]

God Eyros slagmyst is so cool

[uncut edge]

Tell that to Boone

[arctic talon]

Shame his RULES FUCKING SUCK

[solid horizon]

I mean

[opaque coyote]

"I would like my Beret back please"

[arctic talon]

They’re so bad I can never justify running him in a gang ughhhhhhhhhh

[urban spire]

that's not a real name you just made that up

[solid horizon]

I can recognize my own kind

[arctic talon]

Oh yes it is

[urban spire]

prove it

[solid horizon]

anyways

they look way too human for skits

[urban spire]

oh, yeah that's sick

[solid horizon]

skits have helmetless head options and they basically look like servitors

[arctic talon]

He’s cool as hell

[hollow lantern]

Can confirm that's his real name

[opaque coyote]

Reminds me of Cad Bane

[arctic talon]

He’s got an old ass DAOT rig in his body linked to him

And he can drain the water from people

He’s like a water vampire

[hollow lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-embo-bounty-hunter-embo-gif-1996380423750558641

Reminds me of this mf tbh

[arctic talon]

He’s so cool…..

[hollow lantern]

Embo

[arctic talon]

But he’s 270 credits for a dude with a las pistol, grenades and a knife

💀

[opaque coyote]

"Damn nice skin. Would be a shame for it to be wrinkled."

[solid horizon]

270 pts for... this !!!???

[arctic talon]

Credits

Not points

You don’t get credits back lol

[solid horizon]

wdym credits

educate me, captialist

[arctic talon]

So

necromunda uses credits

this is a currency you need to spend for weapons, hiring new gangers

[solid horizon]

oh it's necromunda

[arctic talon]

ect.

[solid horizon]

nevermind don't explain to me

[urban spire]

"oh it's from one of the coolest parts of 40k, never mind i'm not interested"

[arctic talon]

Eyros is 270 credits

[urban spire]

you rn

[arctic talon]

very pricy

for a hired gun

[opaque coyote]

Bro really needs credits for some water packs fr

[sacred ginkgo]

Does he do anything but sit and look cool

[uncut edge]

Whatever happened to this guy, he was really cool

[arctic talon]

like look at this shit lol

this shit is ass

[solid horizon]

sorry if I cant have bigass daemon engine #12565 I'm not interested

[arctic talon]

Eyros can kill people

[uncut edge]

What else can a man do in life

[arctic talon]

he's just not great for how much he costs

lol

[opaque coyote]

• Dark Mechanicus

[rose thorn]

what ist his dog shit lmao

[solid horizon]

exactly

[arctic talon]

yeah I'll take a hired gun with Nothin.

Nothin?

Nothin.

[solid horizon]

too bad the only hereteks are for necromoldy

[rose thorn]

at least make him like, suck teh water out of people like he does in lore

[arctic talon]

Like its nice he has Nerves of Steel, True Grit, and Iron jaw

but like

ughhhhhhhhh

[opaque coyote]

Would've been worth it if he could like

Pull an ATLA and blood bend water out of their bodies

[arctic talon]

bare fucking minimum lol

[opaque coyote]

For a nice cool drink

[arctic talon]

he should have a hotshot pack at least

he's a killer for hire

who can already afford the most expensive shit in necromunda

because he can make it whenever he wants

[opaque coyote]

He spends most of it on water

Clearly

Tbh fresh water in fucking Necromunda would be expensive

Given how fucked the place is

[solid horizon]

gimmie flesh water

[arctic talon]

he can make fresh water from anything

he can extract purified clean drinking water from anything

with moisture in it

including the air

[opaque coyote]

That sounds like he should've become a water salesman instead

[solid horizon]

nooo he's stealing moisture

[opaque coyote]

Because a planet that even the Tyranids hesitate on eating

[solid horizon]

project purity

[opaque coyote]

Would not have good sources of water

[arctic talon]

thats boring and he needs to drink a lot of water

Killing people for money lets him give money to his family

• get all the water he wants

[solid horizon]

money is nice but

[arctic talon]

because he can just drink up the dead

[solid horizon]

you can't drink it

[opaque coyote]

Yes the Tyranids don't want to eat Munda. That's why there's so many GSCs and no invasion.

Tyranids really don't want to fucking come there

[arctic talon]

the necromunda heretek mini isn't a chaos follower unfortunately lol

just a heretek for xenotech reasons

[opaque coyote]

Which says a lot about how fucked the place is

[solid horizon]

yeah

[arctic talon]

tbf

thats due to the malstrain

have you see the malstrain

I ahve

and I don't want to

[solid horizon]

heretek is a pretty broad term tbh

[arctic talon]

I can comfortably say all the malstrain should be exterminated

[opaque coyote]

Had to search it up

What the fuck is that

[arctic talon]

this things entire existence is agony

[solid horizon]

dark mech members are hereteks but a heretek isn't necessarly dark mech

[storm jungle]

You are saying they dont wanna eat the planet but didnt know the cause of it?

i swear to god man

[arctic talon]

Radiation poisoning + an attempt to cure genestealers + tons of inbreeding + tons of pollution

== Malstrain

[opaque coyote]

I fucking hate the... pustules(?) on it's joints

Ew

Ew

[arctic talon]

Its in constant pain from them btw

they pop when it moves

they're filled with pus

[storm jungle]

Based

Finger joint cracking gang rise up

[arctic talon]

Its carapace is literally popping open lol

[opaque coyote]

I mean I just assumed because generally most talk of Necromunda is how shit of a place it is to live

[arctic talon]

The thing should be put out of its misery

for its own good

[storm jungle]

It literally has nothing to do with that

[arctic talon]

yeah

Necromunda is avoided because of the Malstrain

[storm jungle]

Nids arent afraid of a generic ass hiveworld

[arctic talon]

some idiot Tech Priest tried to "cure" the genestealers

LOL

Which

[opaque coyote]

Ew

[arctic talon]

you can't really do

shocker

[heady rivet]

"generic ass" you take that back this is life or death for me

[arctic talon]

But that combined with the hive getting nuked to shit + tons of pollutants and inbreeding

[solid horizon]

is it the hybrid dude

[arctic talon]

created the malstrain

[storm jungle]

Consider this payback

[winter pine]

truly love the trope in a 40k story of some techpriest screwing everything up because they think they're the smartest motherfucker to ever live

[heady rivet]

for

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/gas-leak-explode-explosion-boom-gif-25098927

[arctic talon]

ait

wait

wrong image

[storm jungle]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HBjnlgKbUAAo4Gf.gif

[opaque coyote]

I mean Munda is usually described as like the shittiest and most populated Hive World. I just assumed that the planet was too poisonous to be worth the biomass

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/plinko-you-plinko-gif-26501962

[storm jungle]

Nids have consumed shittier worlds

again, yall mfers need to read

[arctic talon]

but Hermiatus was human originally

[solid horizon]

scuse me nerd

[heady rivet]

Its neither of those, Necromunda is just Like That but its not the worst or biggest

[arctic talon]

he experimented on others and hybrids and purestrains in an attempt to "cure" the infection

then he infected himself

and his cure didn't work

[rocky gale]

I worked out the lore for my Chaos Knights and thought it would be funny to make them a third claimant for the world of Nemain.

So Basically the timeline is now Knights ruled the planet Lir but went off Crusading. While they were away the Serfs eventually rose up and defeated those left behind, the Questing Knights were not aware of this having been trapped on the other side of the galaxy by the opening of the great rift. The Serfs then forgot all about the knights and went feral. The world was then found by an Admech expedition who claimed and settled the world, making it Forge World Luchta. Then due to outside interference the Forge World got exposed for tax dodging and ousted forcing them to flee the planet and formally putting the natives in charge who renamed the world Nemain.

Then long story short the Knights and the Admech both ended up working for my CSM who have promised to return their respective worlds of Lir and Luchta to them in return for service, neither being aware they're fighting for and have been promised the same planet.

[arctic talon]

he destroyed all his work and tried to run

he was caught and executed

lol

The malstrain have now constructed a flesh golem abomination

that is known has Herimatus reborn

[solid horizon]

FLESH GOLHAMS MY BELOVED !!!

[opaque coyote]

Also from that sentence I also noticed the openings usually have a crack

[arctic talon]

Herimatus reborn is not human

its also not a genestealer

its some horrific flesh abomination they grew and gave intelligence to somehow

[opaque coyote]

Does it have Herimatus's brain

Or is it just

[arctic talon]

no

it has no brain

it has no head in fact

[opaque coyote]

A "copy"

[arctic talon]

its head is some random fucking piece of tech

it has a lower mouth + ymrgl looking mouth

[hollow lantern]

No idea, heard he was gonna be in a live action something or other

[opaque coyote]

Like does it even do anything that Herimatus did do

[arctic talon]

yes

it has his memories

and is still working on "fixing" the Malstrain

read: (genetic modification)

[opaque coyote]

So it's a defective clone

Basically

[arctic talon]

here's the normal ones

shittiest hive ruins ever

[opaque coyote]

I fucking hate those bumps

So much

[solid horizon]

they look so goofy

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

[opaque coyote]

Idk why I just

I hate them

A lot

[arctic talon]

they're inbred, genetically defective, heavily poisoned

diseased

[opaque coyote]

It's just so gross

[solid horizon]

alabama hive

[heady rivet]

Me and the boys getting an air fryer

[solid horizon]

have you seen nurgle

[arctic talon]

me when I get my relic from the underhive of Secundus and its a shitty magazine on how to fix a grav bike

[opaque coyote]

Sweet home Munda

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I know

It's just all of those bumps together

In that formation

Idk

Kinda grosses out a part of me

[solid horizon]

it remeinds me of parasitic eggs

[rose thorn]

The blood of our enemy shall make the weapons of our heirs

our forges will cooled in blood

the enemies of the emperor will be made into his shields

Death of the traitor, head of an arrow

[solid horizon]

this is why metal is better

[rose thorn]

hmm

[opaque coyote]

Turning Point Mechanicus

[solid horizon]

💀

[opaque coyote]

"If the flesh is so great, then why does this happen?"

shows a picture of a malstrain genestealer

"Checkmate liberals."

[solid horizon]

Counting or not counting flesh wounds ?

[arctic talon]

Counting or not counting nukes from low orbit

[heady rivet]

This also happens

So its impossible to say

[arctic talon]

legalize cyberpsychosis

kill anyone who looks at you wrong

[winter pine]

adam smasher the kind of choom who demands at least three weapons banned by international law for crimes against humanity for his op

[solid horizon]

flesh is only funny when you slap it over metal

I was thinking of models I could paint and kitbash for collection purpose (not playing)

[lament shoal]

Who let the flayed one into the chat

[solid horizon]

Imagine a cyclop drone covered in flesh and corpses

launching deadly bits of bones and flesh all around when it expodes

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/tgfXvTRIhzA?si=s5ZS7xFyDzFHHrlG

[arctic talon]

I've waited almost 6 years

for the fucking night city sourcebook for RED

I NEED IT

[solid horizon]

my honest reaction

[arctic talon]

as you can tell not much has changed between 2020 and 2045 and not much will change in 2077

[winter pine]

Same

The 2020 NC Sourcebook is one of the best for any TTRPG

[opaque coyote]

Nah what has changed in 2077 is that I could totally beat the shit out of those gonks with my new pair of mantis blades

Clearly

[winter pine]

I forget if Mantis Blades are that much different from the Slice 'n' Dice

[arctic talon]

they're not

[winter pine]

Seemed more or less the same thing

[arctic talon]

Mantis blades are better stat wise

but way more humanity cost

bcs its a more complex system

[winter pine]

Bigger fan of a MiliTech Crusher as a popup shotgun in a cyberarm myself tbqh

[hollow lantern]

One day I'll be permitted playing a tabletop game

Not on this mf schedule tho

[solid horizon]

tabletop is nice

unless you're losing

[hollow lantern]

Losing can be fun tbf

[solid horizon]

which can be very dramatic and despairing

[arctic talon]

losing can be fun tbh

[solid horizon]

not in a context where you realised you spent your money wrong

[hollow lantern]

I don't mean 40k

I mean a proper rpg

[solid horizon]

um

ok

[hollow lantern]

I haven't enjoyed 40k in like 3 editions outside some breaks

[solid horizon]

tbh 40k can be fun in casual games when your buddies aren't using super try hard lists to obliterate your butt

[hollow lantern]

I would rather just play a different wargame atp

[solid horizon]

rip

[hollow lantern]

Like if I want a simplified wargame bolt action exists

And does the simplified thing better imo

[solid horizon]

just do apocalypse games

not so shrimple all of a sudden

[sour hornet]

Bro knows ball

[solid horizon]

not so shrimple when your deployment zone is absolutely clogged and you have to gather your mates for an actual strategy council

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/tiger-tiger-woods-big-dog-salutation-what-up-gif-2478767235926945002

[solid horizon]

the ptds is real

[sour hornet]

Militech weapons > arasaka frfr

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

[arctic talon]

I like arasaka guns more ngl

lol

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-s4-homelander-cough-disgust-gif-15540398707739933423

[rose thorn]

trying to decide betwene 2 easy deicisions is hell lmao

[sour hornet]

Mantis Blade enjoyer

should have keyed you in from the start

smh

[arctic talon]

I don’t like mantis blades

I like the monowire

The idea of using a super heated string of wire to turn someone’s head into chunks of meat and bone is very appealing

Unfortunately my preferred thing in RED is medtech anyways

So all my arm cyberware is eaten up by important things for stuff like surgery and keeping people alive

And making sure I don’t overdose someone

My favorite cyberpunk 2077 arm cyberware is like.

Mono wire, gorilla arms, mantis blades, projectile launch system

In that order

Besides medtech is fun, I get to ethically source organs and cyberware.

from the nearest person who tried to shoot me

Just gotta cripple them and harvest their organs fresh

[dapper gyro]

The launcher arm has so much potential.

[arctic talon]

It sucks in 2077 unfortunately

[dapper gyro]

It is nothing but an extra grenade slot.

[arctic talon]

Doesn’t even have the benefit of being a concealed weapon lol

[dapper gyro]

Pre nerf mono wire was the most insane arms augmentation in the game.

[sour hornet]

Post nerf its still great

[arctic talon]

Good old slice n dice

Yeah

[hollow lantern]

Until you get the dlc upgrade tbf

[sour hornet]

I run it now

[hollow lantern]

It fucks then

[arctic talon]

Also slice n dice is the mono wire equivalent

The other one is the mantis claw equivelent

[sour hornet]

I run a netrunner/tech build

[arctic talon]

Wait wrong person

[dapper gyro]

I like mentis more than gorilla because of the insane teleport finisher range.

[arctic talon]

Gorillas are fun

The satisfaction of beating someone to death is great

Get to use their corpse as a weapon as well

[dapper gyro]

I have the baseball bat for that.

[arctic talon]

Nah gotta get personal with it

Embrace your inner cyberpsycho

[dapper gyro]

Bat goes up higher while less manure on your hands.

[hollow lantern]

Fists feel better than blunt melees imo

Its like the inverse of mantis blades vs katana

[winter pine]

Nomad is probably my favorite role in RED, had a bunch of fun with it on a west marches server I play on

[arctic talon]

Look, your reputation can’t go down for harvesting cyberware and organs if you completely mutilate the corpse to the point where it looks like you blew them up

Besides they deserved it/hj

[sour hornet]

that line of thinking is why I picked netrunner lol

rather just fry people's brains

[winter pine]

Netrunner in 2077 after 2.0 is so fun lmfao

love it

[sour hornet]

real shit lol

[dapper gyro]

I wish that they made dualing different weapons.

[arctic talon]

Net runner in 2077 is so watered down unfortunately

[sour hornet]

I manage to knock out Oda in like 3 seconds

[dapper gyro]

Handgun + knife instead of switching them around would be so peak.

[arctic talon]

To the point where my stupid grognard brain doesn’t like it

It’s cool though

And I’m glad people like it

It’s fun to just stare at someone and make their head explode

[winter pine]

Even in RED a Netrunner feels like it kinda slows down the game to an annoying point

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But it fits for what it is

Tbh

[dapper gyro]

If we get enough body points, then dualing ARs.

[winter pine]

At least post-DataKrash they have to be one site with you as a team

[sour hornet]

real shit, being a zoomer and moving to tabletop was a...

[winter pine]

2020 they could just sit in a bath rub in a slum apartment remotely

[sour hornet]

change

[arctic talon]

Tbh you can do that in 2077 again which is hilarious

Not for everything but for a lot of things

Deep diving is back 💀

[winter pine]

2077 I think the lore is deep diving in a chair is just within a city

[arctic talon]

It is yeah

[winter pine]

vs 2020 when you could do shit like hack the cities on the moon from your apartment lmfao

[arctic talon]

It’s not as deep as it used to be

Datakrash moment

Thanks bartmoss

You’re a real guy you know

A real piece of shit

[winter pine]

Horus-tier bastard this guy was

[sour hornet]

Yeah during one the Pacifica jobs I literally never set foot in the building and just hopped through cameras to kill everyone while I was sat on a car a distance away

[arctic talon]

People celebrating him having only known the lore in
2077 is so fucking weird lol

The dude was a total asshole

[dapper gyro]

A lot of things are not in 2077.

[arctic talon]

The Datakrash wasn’t done bcs he hated corpos

[sour hornet]

Rache was a creep lmao

Like straight up lol

[arctic talon]

He did it because he got FIRED FROM HIS FUCKING JOB AT MILITECH

[sour hornet]

To be fair

[arctic talon]

also yeah he was totally a sexpest

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/guardians-of-the-galaxy-i-know-that-sounds-bad-that-sounds-bad-star-lord-gif-15280006307251536961

[winter pine]

Trashing the Net because he got fired is some Perturabo-style spitefulness

[arctic talon]

LOL

It’s so bitter and dickish I love it

[winter pine]

Ruining the world out of spite

[dapper gyro]

Playing as Fem V feels ultra creep.

[sour hornet]

Didn't they straight up kill his IRL body?

[arctic talon]

His body died irl and then they double tapped him irl and his consciousness on the net

Regarding what happened to him

[sour hornet]

Yeah I distinctly remember them killing his ass

[winter pine]

I think Pondsmith has implied some part of Bartmoss escaped to the old Net and it's that remnant battling with the AI that claims to be Alt in 2077

[sour hornet]

Checks out

[winter pine]

Of the opinion there's a chance it's not actually her but I can't prove it

[arctic talon]

Honestly I’d believe bartmoss became an engram AI

lol

Tbh I think it is Alt’s engram

She’s just changed so much it’s hard to consider her the same

[winter pine]

I love that the 2020 books have what looks like Eazy E as Bartmoss

[dapper gyro]

Like any engrams, they are not the person, but a copy.

[arctic talon]

Tbh engrams I consider the same person until they develop further

Silverhand engram by the end of 2077 is different from Silverhand

Alt’s engram has very obviously changed a lot

[sour hornet]

Really?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[sour hornet]

Like no shade

[dapper gyro]

StarCraft Fenix

[arctic talon]

It’s a continuation of their mind and consciousness

I’d consider them the same until more happens

Tbh

[winter pine]

I like the second meeting with the monks involved in Losing My Religion when he's like "If the real Silverhand is dead that's his problem"

[arctic talon]

They’re still dead but it’s another form of life

[jade holly]

Can a Kin who lost their league and Votan join another League?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Yes

[sour hornet]

Oh yeah, IIRC, Johnny was just sleeping for an indeterminate amount of time from his perspective.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[jade holly]

What about if their votan is still intact?

[arctic talon]

Johnny engram wasn’t the same from the start

[jade holly]

Do the votan cores just merge or share data?

[arctic talon]

Bcs Arasaka had already fucked with it

• he had changed mentally already

[arctic talon]

They can share data but not merge

They can still move between leagues if their votaan is alive still

But they would be seen as weird

I think 2077 and Cyberpunk(pondsmiths) as a whole’s dissection on engrams and what it means to be a person/live is very interesting

[jade holly]

Do the Votan make all their weapons and gear or do the Kin make them?

[arctic talon]

Both make them

Votaan have big industrial automated stuff to spit gear out

Kin also make them

[jade holly]

Like Kin can upload blueprints into Votan for them to produce on mass scale but they can build it themselves too?

The Votaan are interesting ngl

A rare instance of non malicious AI

[arctic talon]

Yes

The votaan also just make new stuff sometimes

And the Kin exclusively make some stuff

[jade holly]

Now give the Votaan a combat body so they can fight

[arctic talon]

If it’s got Branding on it

[storm jungle]

We literally got no idae on what happened with the AI in DAOT, theres nothing saying all AI is malicious either

[arctic talon]

It’s invented by a Kin

[storm jungle]

dont trust humanity's word on robots lol

[jade holly]

I mean in media in general

Lmao

[arctic talon]

If it’s invented by a votaan it usually doesn’t

[storm jungle]

Tbh

[jade holly]

It’s always rogue AI I hear about in stuff

[arctic talon]

Cyberpunk doesn’t have malicious AI

[storm jungle]

AI rebellion as a trope is built on the human fear of their servants rising against them

which um

[arctic talon]

Except for when it does

[storm jungle]

is a bit of a sus topic

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

because robots in fiction are always treated in a "obedient servant" role

and them rising up is seen as a "bad" thing

again sus

[arctic talon]

Cyberpunk not casting a broad net on Rogue AI is good imo. It

[jade holly]

Does the Silverhand Engram technically count as AI?

[arctic talon]

Yes

Engrams are AI

[storm jungle]

Yeah its not Johnny

its literally an engram

he says as much himself

[arctic talon]

It was Johnny at some point

But it’s def not Johnny by the time it’s in your head

lol

[storm jungle]

"It might not be the real me but i dont give a fuck, im still me"

[arctic talon]

Same with Alt

[storm jungle]

yeah Alt is more philosophical and creepy with it

[arctic talon]

Tbf she’s been beyond the black wall and an AI longer

[storm jungle]

she says shes fully an AI but she very much still has feelings for Johnny

[arctic talon]

💀

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Johnny calls her out on this

and she cant answer him

thus proving his point

[arctic talon]

Alt trying to prove she’s not a softy when she built a fucking city to house other engrams lol

[jade holly]

What cultures are the LoV mainly inspired by?

Slavic?

Norse?

[storm jungle]

Corporations

and Imperialist exploitation

[jade holly]

[storm jungle]

the norse aesthetic is literally just that, an aesthetic

[winter pine]

Technically aren't they like space dwarves like the Eldar are space elves

[storm jungle]

even their League logos are based on DAOT corporations/conglomerates

[storm jungle]

Not even technically

[arctic talon]

Corporate conglomerates

[winter pine]

In the broad sense

[storm jungle]

they are literally space dwarves

[arctic talon]

Lol

They’re big corpo

They’re so fucking corporate

[jade holly]

Wait you mean to tell me Leagues are brand sponsored?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Yea

[arctic talon]

They’re literal brands

[winter pine]

I hope they have an electronic database of grudges

[storm jungle]

thats what Kindred are

[arctic talon]

They make branded gear

LOL

[arctic talon]

They do

It’s a fucking database

[winter pine]

lmfao

[storm jungle]

*Blockchain of Grudges

[winter pine]

good stuff from GW

[arctic talon]

There’s a dataslate of grudges

One of the Ironkin carries around

In the Killteam box

It’s both a work schedule + dataslate of grudges

lol

[storm jungle]

when a League goes to war it also has to convince other Kindreds (basically sub-brands of dwarf parties) to agree to tag along with them

or fund the endevaour

etc etc

its ironically very complex politically

[arctic talon]

Their army rule is so funny rn

They literally start extracting resources

Mid battle

To start making profit

[dapper gyro]

We have seen that shit.

[jade holly]

My kinda army

I can’t believe the Kin have fucking shareholders

[storm jungle]

Its a bit different

because Kin dont really actively exploit each other like we do

because all the shit they do is for the Votann Cores

[arctic talon]

Its more of a worker Co-op

but evil

LOL

[storm jungle]

not themselves

Yeah that

[arctic talon]

actually no

it is a worker co-op but evil

[storm jungle]

Kin dont target each other for capitalist exploitation, its always other races

which is based

[arctic talon]

it like literally is just that

tbf

they sell shit to each toher

but yeah

[jade holly]

You think they melt down Necrons to repurpose the Necrodermis?

[storm jungle]

Nah

they're aware necrodermis is tricky shit

[arctic talon]

As the Kin truth describes, Luck has. Need keeps. Toil earns. The kinhost’s ability to efficiently switch its strategic footing embodies this wisdom. It results from swift assessments of a foe’s possessions, how best to seize them for the kindred’s need and then to stubbornly toil to hold them against counterattacks.

Yeah Necrodermis is a PITA for them

they want the other bits

[jade holly]

Theoretically the LoV are a vast faction no?

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[arctic talon]

they're all over the place but their fortresses are pretty close

since they're all in the core

They have operations everywhere

[storm jungle]

The lore still allows you to homebrew them anywhere you want

but the galactic core is their "home"

[jade holly]

I wanna homebrew one that specializes in modified heavy mining rigs they call Perun class warsuits

Or an entire League that suffer from Gigantism

[dapper gyro]

Make a water one and call them 20k leagues.

[jade holly]

20k Leagues under the Tao

[arctic talon]

corporate ass symbols lol

[jade holly]

Wait, I have an idea…

RED and BLU leagues

Vying for control of a small asteroid

[arctic talon]

lol

[plush mason]

PITA?

[jade holly]

Pain in the Ass

[plush mason]

ah

[uncut edge]

Almost like the votann want to run themselves like a corporation or something

[arctic talon]

lol

[uncut edge]

“WE’RE RICH!!!”

“ROCK AND STONE”

[arctic talon]

Funnily enough the leagues of votaan would have been in development before DRG had its full release

[sacred ginkgo]

Its full release was after at least a year of EA

[arctic talon]

GW’s development schedule for model ranges is over 5 years long based on what we know

Bcs we know that castellan crowe was done in late 2018

So LoV would have been in development in some way back in 7e

💀

[jade holly]

What’s the likelihood of an entirely new faction being added in 11e?

Whether based on an existing one or something brand new

[arctic talon]

Not entirely low

[jade holly]

To me, here’s a few factions I could see:

Traitor Guard

Dark Mechanicus

Updated Chaos Daemons

[dapper gyro]

Having another faction would dilute their profit.

[arctic talon]

We’ve gotten one at least every edition since 7e

So I think it’s a safe bet we’re prolly getting one

[storm jungle]

Have we?

[arctic talon]

Though most of them were turning csm subfactions into full factions

Yeah

[storm jungle]

what was this edition's new faction

[sacred ginkgo]

Traitor guard having rules would be nice

[arctic talon]

If you don’t count that then that’s fine

[storm jungle]

yeah subfactions dont count

[arctic talon]

Emperors children

Sorta

If you don’t count that that’s fine

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats a sub-faction 💀

[arctic talon]

Fair lol

[storm jungle]

im talking like FULL main faction stuff

the last one ever was Votann and previously GSC i think?

[arctic talon]

Oh then yeah 9e was the last time

[storm jungle]

man i remember

[arctic talon]

It was 7e with admech and gsc

Then 9e with LoV

[storm jungle]

that Prime Leak™

[arctic talon]

God

That leak was nuts

[storm jungle]

i LOVE how people were like

[arctic talon]

Got one thing wrong

lol

[storm jungle]

"its fake because it has squats on it"

[arctic talon]

Which was new chaos bikers

Everything else was correct

[storm jungle]

Yeah lmao and that was like what 1 wrong amidst... 15 fucking correct guesses?

[jade holly]

Wait GSC was after Tau?

[storm jungle]

Tau are extremely old

[arctic talon]

As an actual faction yes

As a thing in lore no

[jade holly]

Damn

[arctic talon]

But tau are from 2001

lol

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Er 2002

Sorry

[jade holly]

I thought Tau were like 5-6e

[storm jungle]

nah lol

[arctic talon]

Nah

[storm jungle]

also the tau creation date is hilarious considering it was literally the entire Iraq/Gulf War era

[arctic talon]

It was

Very unsubtle

[storm jungle]

aka literally what the designers said their entire battle doctrine was based on

[arctic talon]

What they were

lol

[storm jungle]

yep lol

like uh

the only "proper" faction ever left is Exodites maybe but thats 100% gonna be a subfaction

likely a KT first

then rolled in

and prob Darkmech?

and thats it

[arctic talon]

Lost and the damned

They had rules already in ye olden days

GW will inevitably make them a full faction eventually

At this rate imo

[jade holly]

What about Traitor Guard?

[arctic talon]

Corsairs were always awkwardly in the craftworld eldar book

[storm jungle]

They raent really a thing

[arctic talon]

It’s lost and the damned

That traitor guard fall under

Or renegades and heretics

GW changes the name lol

[arctic talon]

They were but they were a subfaction technically lol

[fervent folio]

Man... i love love LOVE Titans

God-engines are SO amazing in EVERY way.

Not only do they have weapons that can annihilate battlefields in seconds, but they are ALIVE.

And their horns... GOD dont get me started on their warhorn! Gaaaaaah! i get shivvers every time I hear one.

[opaque coyote]

The lost and the damned sounds the best

[arctic talon]

I agree

[crisp heath]

low effort edit

[drifting path]

You know, with the Orks infighting and humanity not being able to get their shit together; why hasn't the Tyranids just simply won the war and steamrolled everything?

[winter pine]

I got the impression the Great Rift really messed up the Tyranids like it did a bunch of other factions

[arctic talon]

Nids aren’t all here yet, and they take their time to eat worlds

[winter pine]

They don't travel particularly fast through the void of space too I think

[arctic talon]

And usually everyone can agree Tyranids worse

Yeah

They slow

[daring creek]

anyone else need to put up with adults who seemingly skipped puberty

[daring creek]

not bad

[crisp heath]

thank

s

[opaque coyote]

Simply put, their travel is slow like others stated.

But also it's worth noting that what is there

Is essentially the first wave

Out of several

It's basically probing at this point

Luckily, the lore is that they're slow as shit unless if there's a beacon towards the planet by GSCs

Even then, they're still possibly the slowest

So they now become another

"Guys we're totally doomed fr"

The Imperium has like 10 doomsday scenarios. It doesn't fucking care.

Same for most other factions.

The only ones who are trying to do any preventative measures are the Necrons and the Craftworld Eldar.

But one is too busy bickering with each other and also is too busy sleeping. Despite the silent king making a decree that "These guys are really fucking bad".

And the other can't do shit and they're screaming at others to help them because they can't really do anything. Because the Elder are generally the second least numerous faction

[crisp heath]

i had a lore question but i completely forgot

lmao

[daring creek]

was it that are tyranids boys or girls

[crisp heath]

actually i remember it now

but its kind of a dumb question i think

[opaque coyote]

Ask it

Can't be any dumber than mine

I actually have one rn but

I can answer yours to the best of my ability

[crisp heath]

but for people responsible for the warband/chapter geneseed to modify it in anyway
like lets say a warband of chaos space marines who have a unique physical trait but the gene-seed they acquired were stolen from loyalist chapters
would they modify the gene-seed so that the person given it also inherits the physical trait?

[daring creek]

Stolen from loyalist chapters?

I mean weren't they loyal in the first place

[crisp heath]

warbands do that a lot

[daring creek]

hm

[crisp heath]

chaos gene-seed gets fucked over the years due to exposure to the warp and chaos so they rely heavily on stealing loyalist gene-seed
especially because they cant create new ones themselves

[daring creek]

Not to hijack your question but like....lets say a ultramarine joined chaos. like joining the death guard or the noise marines

is that even possible

[daring creek]

Ohhh

So stealing an ultramarines gene seed can allow them to stablize their own?

[crisp heath]

Yeah, they don't necessarily need to be from those warband/chapter

they can just join em

lol

[daring creek]

huh

interesting

[opaque coyote]

I believe that when they steal loyalist geneseed. They generally start off normal but then quickly just sorta...

Become fucked

Because Chaos

[daring creek]

it would be cool to have like undercover chaos marines, ignoring alpha legion. But like marines that have pledged alligance to chaos staying within a chapter to destroy operations from within.

That would be really cool.

[opaque coyote]

Like I remember how a relatively new death guard member basically noted how his skin hasn't fused to his armor yet

[crisp heath]

Yeah I figured, its just that i wondered if it was possible to have like the chief apothecary to modify the gene-seed by hand to manually do some shit

[opaque coyote]

I mean there must be flaws somehow

Even for successor chapters

It's implied to be from mutation due to the Geneseed still being an organ

[crisp heath]

that's tricky because uh
obvious different mannerism and because chaos marines mutate

[daring creek]

TELL ME this happens.please.- oh

[daring creek]

hm

mutations happen from sheer worship yeah?

[crisp heath]

i think a loyalist space marine could tell if one ofthem started acting differently

especially if theyhave a chaplain

[crisp heath]

and exposure to the warp

like staying in the Eye of Terror or just lots of sorcery and warp travel

[opaque coyote]

Not even that

Just exposure to the warp

It's why Cadians got those purple eyes

[daring creek]

mutants..

[opaque coyote]

Tbf in general mutations are funny because they can be caused by like

Even more things than normal mutations

Like radiation doesn't just give you tumors

It's the fallout type radiation

Where you turn into some fucked up mutant

[crisp heath]

yeah

your bones can grow out of your body

your skin melts to the armor

you gain horns, organs expand

[opaque coyote]

Also it just

Happens randomly

Apparently there's a 5% chance for a completely genetically healthy couple to birth a mutant

Apparently due to the age of strife being so fucking shit. It managed to change the human genome to be even more unstable

[crisp heath]

you could also just turn into a chaps spawn but im pretty sure thats more like a punishment from the chaos gods

so if you turn into one you kinda fucked up

[opaque coyote]

Not even a punishment

Just too many blessings

Like there's a limit to how many blessings you can take

And each person has a different limit

Basically

Either the mutation is gonna be something awesome

Or you become a Chaos spawn

...

[daring creek]

are cspawns still like

sentient

[crisp heath]

which is basically a blessing anyways

[crisp heath]

meatballs of murder and violence
if they're conscious theyre insane

[opaque coyote]

Although it is also a punishment yes

[daring creek]

what sort of blessings does nurgle give anyway

[opaque coyote]

If you displease a Chaos God

Guaranteed spawndom

[opaque coyote]

A mixture.

Your armor?

Now your skin

[crisp heath]

immune to pain

you get bigger

you now spread plagues from your breath

and then you presence alone

[opaque coyote]

Technology also works depending on how broken and fucked up it is

So your gun not working?

[crisp heath]

you're immune to acid, toxines, plagues, the smell of your own insides turning to outsides

[opaque coyote]

Just fucking vomit on it

[daring creek]

is that really a plus

[opaque coyote]

It's fixed now

[crisp heath]

For space marines, yes

[opaque coyote]

In combat, yes.

It also grows and becomes more armored.

[crisp heath]

because space marines are already connected to their armor by neural synapses and link trough the black carapce

so their bodies turning one with the armor is like

a big "eh fuck it"

so now

you never have to take it off

[opaque coyote]

Also

This is why I want a Roguelike

Based on Chaos

In general

[crisp heath]

and the skin/meat bloating out from it makes it more resistent

lol

[opaque coyote]

Like the mutations itself

Would make a great Rogue-like system

You get randomized gifts from the Chaos Gods

[crisp heath]

you can also have those weird pipes that constantly spews anything nurgle wants you to spread

[opaque coyote]

Some are strictly beneficial while others have a benefit and weakness

But you have a limit

You can choose to remove some gifts but others can be permanent

But getting over the limit risks a % chance of becoming a Chaos spawn

And if you're unlucky, well it's game over

I also can imagine different races and factions having a benefit and weakness

[daring creek]

He looks happy

[opaque coyote]

Like if you choose to start as an SM. You're far more powerful in the beginning but you're limited on ammo

And your capacity for "gifts"

[daring creek]

Nurgle is forgiving, right?

Like

[opaque coyote]

Is much lower due to how you're already mutated

[daring creek]

How much does he let you fuck up

[crisp heath]

that's Typhus, the guy who literally dragged the Death Guard to serve Nurgle
so yeah he's happy

[opaque coyote]

Not much honestly

He's like an abusive parent

If you don't do what he wants

[crisp heath]

Mortarion is still alive even after Guilliman escapped the Garden of Nurgle, after Emps possessed Guilliman and burned the Garden a lil

soooo

[opaque coyote]

"Why would you make me do this?"

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/erNUuIFOjMZ.gif

[daring creek]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-realization-sudden-realization-shocked-zoom-gif-25552925

[opaque coyote]

Tbf it's because killing him would be a mercy atp

He fucking hates his life

[crisp heath]

true

but uh

there's a GW animation that shows a plague marine getting killed over not properly doing what nurgle wanted

the guy just explodes

[daring creek]

theres been accounts of blanks getting within proximity of death guard and the marines immediately start offing themselves right

I feel like that was mentioned here

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it was a challenge to Nurgle.

The guards also got it

[crisp heath]

blanks just do that

even to normal people

[opaque coyote]

But yeah

Displeasing a Chaos God is a guarantee

But for the guards, it was basically a dice roll

[daring creek]

yeah but blanks block off psychic energy

[opaque coyote]

Either a gift

Or spawndom

[daring creek]

I feel like thats what made the marines do that

[opaque coyote]

Also as a genuine question for all of you.

[crisp heath]

i mean plague marines are completely mutated by psychic stuff

they're pure warp mutated people

[opaque coyote]

The Shadow of the Warp that Tyranids spawn.

[crisp heath]

if a anti warp person getclose to them

they just

[opaque coyote]

I want to be corrected if I am wrong

So

[opaque coyote]

Does the Shadow of the Warp like

Blocks all Psyker signals

[crisp heath]

iirc so yeah

like astropaths cant even pass trough messages trough the warp

[opaque coyote]

It says that it makes it difficult to use but not impossible

Also is there any description of like a PoV where a Psyker tries to futilely talk to the hive mind or something

[crisp heath]

it would require very powerful psykers to still do their shenanigans while blocked by the nids

[opaque coyote]

Cause I had an idea of a story

Basically, was gonna make it so that the Shadow of the Warp also takes the souls of people that die

[crisp heath]

iirc there was a blood angel librarian that peeked into the hive mind

[opaque coyote]

The idea is that the Tyranids use every part of a lifeform

Their biomass

and their souls.

[crisp heath]

but like

apparently a lot of psykers have tried but they either go insane or just fucking die

[opaque coyote]

And that similar to like the Brethren Moons from Dead Space.

Anybody that dies in a Tyranid invasion becomes a part of the hive mind

[crisp heath]

pretty much lovecraftian endings

they look into something so complex they fucking die or just turn into mad men

[opaque coyote]

Yeah is there any description for that

Or is it just

"They go crazy lmao"

[opaque coyote]

But also I want to play around with this

[crisp heath]

only one i found with a "description" is from a Blood Angel Librarian looking into the eyes of a tyranid

The sound thumped into Thracian’s head. The battle’s noise receded. He found he could not move. Slowly, he lowered his weapons. There was something behind him. Something vast and cold.

He turned slowly, and looked up into the dead black eyes of a shrike. It towered over him, the upper wing limbs furled, its biocannon throbbing with the expectation of release.

It did not fire; instead it leaned down, mouth hissing. Something looked out from behind its eyes that was immeasurably ancient and evil.

The thing there in the blackness of its soul touched his mind. It judged him. It pinned him in place. Thracian found he could not move, such was the potency of its regard.

(not sure if this is it)

[opaque coyote]

That just dying within an invasion has you become part of the hive mind

[crisp heath]

theres also this one from Devastation of Baal

‘Xenos!’ he shouted. ‘I am Ordamael, Paternis Sanguis of the Blood Angels, second only to beloved Astorath the Grim. Fight me! By the Blood, come to my crozius and accept my blessing!’

The monsters were barely three hundred feet away. They stood motionless, unblinking, their hooves ploughing up the sand as the weight of the tyranid swarm at their back pressed them forward. The bright slick of xenos blood was rolling towards the concealed moat. A solitary ’gaunt watched the slow spread of this sticky river suspiciously, and then it looked up at Ordamael.

Ordamael had stared into the dead black eyes of countless ’gaunts. This one was different. There were subtle variations to its cranium, a difference in the way its heat vents were arranged. Small, but crucial. Something rode this creature, something so ancient and powerful that at a hundred yards away, looking out from one of a thousand near identical beasts, its presence pressed at the Chaplain and made him reel.

Ordamael stared into the face of the hive mind. How it looked out from this simple beast he did not know. All he knew was that it must be killed.

[opaque coyote]

If not your body then your soul

That even suicide isn't a way out from them.

You are trapped

You merely just haven't been digested yet

And that's also why they go for planets

Instead of like developing photosynthesis

They don't just want energy or bio mass

They want your very soul itself

But this also goes against how daemons are hard for the Tyranids to fight

Due to them not being made out of flesh

[opaque coyote]

Well that's terrifying

[opaque coyote]

Also because it's my story. Fuck it.

I have the idea that the Hive mind doesn't really consider what it's doing "murder".

It views it like a symbiotic process.

You get "freed" of your body and become part of a greater while.

It uses your remnants to make more.

[rose thorn]

helping my partner wiht her homework, leanring about the history of womens rights in hungary adn womens literature

[opaque coyote]

And it's genuinely confused on why nearly every race seems to pride themselves on their individuality.

It can't understand us. And we can't understand it.

This is fanon to be clear

[opaque coyote]

How is it

[rose thorn]

neat

[crisp heath]

sounds pretty interesting
very lovecraftian

[opaque coyote]

Yeah basically just want to make a story about a Psyker actually talking to the Hive Mind for a bit

Before going insane and dying

Basically the Hive Mind restrains itself for a bit to

"converse"

Out of boredom

Curiosity maybe

[opaque coyote]

Anything interesting

[rose thorn]

yeah apparently hungary began pushing for womens rightsin 1812

[opaque coyote]

Oh shit fr

[rose thorn]

and im learning abotu books like eye of the monkey

[opaque coyote]

Damn that is interesting

[crisp heath]

oh Red Corsairs are BIG BIG

[sour hornet]

It's a deafening incomprehensible screaming that drowns out almost everything. It's comparable to signal jamming.

[opaque coyote]

Well that fits my idea even more actually

Nice

[sour hornet]

It's extremely disconcerting to psykers.

[opaque coyote]

"Bro I'm trying to sleep why are you screaming?"

"I'm not."

"Oh shit..."

[sour hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[opaque coyote]

But yeah fits my idea that the Shadow of the Warp absorbs the souls of

Anybody that dies

Like even if they didn't die from a nid

The only flaw is daemons and how they can't be eaten by nids usually

Which implies they can't do anything to souls?

[sour hornet]

Like a psyker has their mind open to the warp like 24/7 and the SotW is like blasting ear-bleedingly loud white noise directly into their ears literally non-stop for days on end.

[opaque coyote]

Or at least warp stuff

[opaque coyote]

Psykers can't use powers in general I assume

Like they can't use like

Lightning and shit?

[sour hornet]

It drives them insane or kills them outright. Some can overpower it, but it's very, very difficult, like 'kill yourself accomplishing' difficult if you aren't named.

[opaque coyote]

When they try to use their powers or just in general

[sour hornet]

In general, but especially when they use their powers. E.G. an Astropath sending a last-ditch SOS.

[opaque coyote]

Ah okay

Yeah this definitely supports my idea

Biomass is delicious but souls are even more tasty

Because I love the horrific idea that even death isn't an escape from the Tyranids

You don't just die.

Every part of you will be used

Your flesh, your organs, your soul.

All of your memories

All of your life experiences

Used

Even if not from a Tyranid's hand, you will join regardless

There is no way to say no

[lofty mason]

Has Mechancius ever attempted to turn Tyranids into Servitors?

[rose thorn]

Maybe I can make the bug more admechy? Add lightning into the wings or

[arctic talon]

Tech heresy and prolly won’t work

[rose thorn]

No? Plus I doubt would work

You can’t even make GSC into servators

[arctic talon]

Well you can, they just won’t work lol

[rose thorn]

Same thinggggg

[arctic talon]

Considering it doesn’t work properly on hybrids it definitely won’t work on a nid in synapse

[rose thorn]

Even skitarii-fying doenst work

On gsc

[arctic talon]

One moment I got some ideas

[arctic talon]

Tbf skitarii are free thinking individuals

lol

[rose thorn]

Literally the vote is50/50

[arctic talon]

My vote shouldn’t count due to biases smh

[rose thorn]

Free thinking until you tech priest plugs in his Xbox controller

[arctic talon]

Lol

You’re still free thinking there, your body just acts in its own accord

Just become an alpha/princeps smh

It’ll never be an issue then

Or veteran

[rose thorn]

The gsc skitarri are strong enough to over power that is what I meant lol

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[rose thorn]

Just mass dumping code into the light purple skitarii and getting zero responses

[arctic talon]

lol

[rose thorn]

Is… it mechanicus?

[arctic talon]

Yes

I’m biased

Okay

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[arctic talon]

lol

I like the additional layer of politics

With house mechanicus’s

[rose thorn]

The imperial option is polish and all the polish ppl I asked voted for it

[arctic talon]

LOL

[rose thorn]

So don’t worry about bias lmao

[arctic talon]

house malinax which went traitor with Xana had bolts on their funny scorpion

[rose thorn]

OHHHH SHITTTTT

GOOD POINTTT

I might make the tail of the dragonfly something

As well

[arctic talon]

aso tbf you also don't need super mechanicus'y stuff on the bugge

I.E House Sidus

Their symbol is deadass just the fcking sun

inside of a star

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

LOL

their full symbol is this

[rose thorn]

Thematically I think the knight house rebuilding the forgeworld they destroyed and their house’s numbers with the corpses of the traitor titan legion is fitting

[arctic talon]

It goes hard lol

it goes hard as fuck

are you going to have any members of the Forge World not go traitor beyond sacristan's and stuff

or is this gona be a "Fuck it we ball" for your knights

[rose thorn]

I think trh non traitor forces of admech will be small

Also to make the house’s triumph more impressive

[arctic talon]

makes sense

goes hard

Also you don't need more mechanicus'y stuff at the end of the day

even if they're a house mechanicus

the half cog works fine tbh

I.E Krast

indra as well

[rose thorn]

I have even thinking of the moto to be like

“The corpses of our foes will be the weapons of heirs” or something like that

The death of a traitor, the head of an arrow

[arctic talon]

Thats cool

[rose thorn]

I ahve to aura farm on it more

The rebuilding theme fits with the knight house salvaging its honor from the traitor forces

Oh yeah the planet’s most dangerous wildlife are those species that like, eat non organic material, and as your ascension you need to go kill one of them, take the metal out of the monster, and then forge a weapon out of it

[rose thorn]

Surprised you didn’t post the one that is straight up a deer

[arctic talon]

I forgor

Me lazy

[rose thorn]

Lmao

“Ah yes the most mechanicus of all symbols, the common doe”