40k-lore-chat

[fervent geode]

Yus

[rose thorn]

I was worried being vassals to a titan legion would mean the knight house most likely would be questor mechanicus

Well until HH

[fervent geode]

Uhhhhhh

[fervent geode]

Thats how it generally was iirc

House Malinax has Legio Vulturum I and II

[languid meadow]

If you do that they'll be a QM

you can just have them be pledged to help them and not be a vassel

not unusual

[solid horizon]

imperium's structure is so overly complicated for nothing

[languid meadow]

QM houses are explicitly vassals unlike other imperial knight houses

[fervent geode]

This time its the admech's fault i guess

[rose thorn]

Vassals to Titan legion > Titan legion turns traitor > knight house somehow managed to obligate the Titan legion in a suicide attack

[solid horizon]

that's a lot of funny words for big mechs

[fervent geode]

Basically Quaestor Imperialis

Aren't on a Forge World, so they have no Titan Legio attached

A Quaestor Mechanicus house could have something like that

[solid horizon]

kaban machine vs knight

who will win

[fervent geode]

Knight

[solid horizon]

WRONG

[fervent geode]

Well uh probablu

[fervent geode]

Did it fight one?

I didnt read Mechanicum

[solid horizon]

yes

the knight struggled its ass off

[fervent geode]

Ah

Weak ass Taranis

[solid horizon]

I hope one day there will be a model for kaban machine

tbh it might not even be dead in 40k

killdozer of warhammer

[fervent geode]

Appears in Mechanicum

Fights off a Knight

Disappears

One day, itll be back

[arctic talon]

Tbh

It’s prolly one the many unspecified things running around mars

If it got into the catacombs it’s cooked though lol

[fervent geode]

Probably lmao

Mayhaps its just shutdown in the catacombs or smth

[rose thorn]

wip

heres the sketch

[arctic talon]

Considering the catacombs chew up and spit out armies I think my money is on the catacombs

lol

It’s horrid when daemon engines are considered the easy stuff lol

[fervent geode]

Down there is probably some ruined husk collecting dust lmao, chrom would probably be sad to see thats whats left of his machine

Well assuming he isnt rotting down there with it

[rose thorn]

THIS IS FUCKING FIRE!!!!

[storm jungle]

the coloring really helps it

[rose thorn]

Fr

Gonna make this a questor mechanicus hour since it makes more sense lore wise

Are mechanicus houses still knighly?

Knightly?

Oh there is already a questor mechanicus house that does the same thing as mine Lma

[solid horizon]

mosquito

[rose thorn]

Oh well, betraying your one titan legion is still good

[rose thorn]

Dragon fly

[solid horizon]

mosquit

[arctic talon]

Yes

Extremely so

Their noble structure is slightly different with a “princeps” often rather then high king/queen

And different roles but they’re still knightly

@rose thorn follow this and make changes as you please

[rose thorn]

ha oka

tgank uuu

[rocky gale]

Worth noting that all the other positions on the line are all also Barons

They're just special positions for Baron's within their Exalted Court

So it's like

High Monarch
Barons of the Exalted Court (ie Kingsward, Herald)
Other Barons
Vassals

and in Mechanicus houses the Barons who are part of the Exalted Court are known as Baron Prime, rather than just Baron

[opaque coyote]

The Dune Encyclopedia

A 1984 companion book to Dune

[late verge]

From fans

And

[vagrant fox]

❓

Are the weapons in the redacted regiment warbond any good

[storm jungle]

Nah its mid. Get the Siege one

[vagrant fox]

I got everything except the redacted and gas bond now

[jade holly]

With the reveal of a NL combat patrol could we see an IW one happen soon?

[rocky gale]

Armour is good though

[arctic talon]

They’re good for stealth

Which is

stealth

Re educator is prolly the best one

[jade holly]

Ngl idk why I asked this I saw a potential one in the other server

[vagrant fox]

Doesn't seem to work half the time, eh I'll skip it the drip alone isn't enough

[jade holly]

Why do I feel the need to act like I don’t know something when I ask

[arctic talon]

I think by the end of the edition prolly

[vagrant fox]

Didn't we get some IW stuff recently

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[sacred ginkgo]

One of the redacted outfits is like Titus level caked for some reason

[jade holly]

Who does Maugan Ra fight most often?

Tyranids?

[arctic talon]

Whatever

He doesn’t care really

Maugen Ra is a violent sociopath

[vagrant fox]

A lot of chaos and tyranids but anything goes

[arctic talon]

^

He will skin you alive if he wants to

[jade holly]

Surprised he isn’t a Drukhari

[arctic talon]

He literally blinded, deafened, broke the hands and cut out the tongue of the person who made his gun

[jade holly]

Because when your scythe wasn’t able to kill from far enough away

[arctic talon]

He’s by far the most violently unstable phoenix lord

[jade holly]

Make it a gun

[arctic talon]

And closest to khaine

[jade holly]

How many phoenix lords are there?

[vagrant fox]

The whole process behind Maugan Ra's Maugetar is weird, kill a keeper and secrets and sacrifice an exarch and all the other nonsense and then do that to the bonesinger

I think we know of like 11 or 12

[arctic talon]

One for each aspect shrine, for which we have 17 named and 3 more unnamed

So 20

At least

[jade holly]

I’m starting to get a bit more into Eldar lore

[vagrant fox]

wack, I forgor

[jade holly]

The path system is neat

how they need to physically temper themselves and walk rigid paths to not fall to Slaanesh

[storm jungle]

Its less falling to Slaanesh more just having hobbies to keep themselves busy.

its the same reason how we cant sit on our ass staring at a blank wall all day, we need something to hone/do

[jade holly]

Or why Trazyn is so obsessed with “archeology”

[storm jungle]

Basically yeah, a necron brother in Twice Dead says it well when his sibling asks him why he does a "dumb" task like cleaning and painting the various inactive Warriors in his legions

[jade holly]

Even in 40K the adage of “idle hands are the devil’s workshop” rings true it seems

[rocky gale]

I could, I'm real good at staring at a wall.

[heady rivet]

You aint ever heard of adderall then

[storm jungle]

👎

[jade holly]

I gaslit myself into wanting a dreadnought sized Votann model based on this badass granny

[storm jungle]

Look at rich people IRL

and the sick shit they do to not be "bored"

[jade holly]

[languid meadow]

I wish this game got more love because this is one of the best power armours out there

[jade holly]

Thunderchild my beloved

[heady rivet]

So fucked up. Who can honestly do that? Who can honestly wake up and say "Lets go golf today"?

[rocky gale]

I dunno, if I had as much money as those rich "people" I wouldn't be doing that shit

[storm jungle]

Golf sucks so

Yeah because you got morals

people born into richness usually dont

lol

[vagrant fox]

it only sucks when you're bad at it or play it in real life ok

[storm jungle]

because their parents never teach them that shit

[rocky gale]

I'd be the worlds most boring rich person

[vagrant fox]

https://klipy.com/gifs/now-watch-this-drive

[storm jungle]

Theres a reason you dont really hear much about "normal" rich people who dont flaunt themselves around that much.

[heady rivet]

Eating saltines and drinking water all day while watching paint dry

[jade holly]

I’d be spending millions to make new national parks, update ones we have, fund research groups in ecosystem restoration and preservation… and fund Battleborn 2

[heady rivet]

Please dont give Anthony Burch money

[jade holly]

Who?

[vagrant fox]

I'd have like two ornamental hermits and I'd have them fight caveman style

[rocky gale]

Give 50 million and I'd probably give away 90% of it, I'd buy a decent house for like £300k and keep like a million to live out the rest of my life on.

[jade holly]

Put at least a mill in a Roth IRA tho

Gotta save them Benjamin’s

[heady rivet]

Gearbox former writer that is bad at his job and worse at keeping his WiiU in the divorce

[rocky gale]

I've already got a million and a house why would I need more money?

[jade holly]

Do I even wanna know what some of the stuff eh wrote was?

[jade holly]

That million can vanish real fast with taxes

The IRS giveth, and the IRS taketh

Actually do they even give?

[rocky gale]

Thank god I don't live in the US

[heady rivet]

Okay so remember all the good parts of Borderlands 2? He didnt write any of that. He wrote all the bad parts of Borderlands 2. He also admit he didnt even play Borderlands 1 when he got hired he just skimmed the wiki

[late verge]

Ur pfp is broken oomfie

[jade holly]

Bruh

[rocky gale]

and a million only vanishes if you're a dumbass with money

[jade holly]

Bet he was on for 3

[jade holly]

My model army must grow

[heady rivet]

Also his wife took the WiiU in the divorce and his nepo hire sister overshadowed his entire career

[late verge]

Its showing the blade runner gif instead of the hive ganger

[heady rivet]

It was Konrad Curze and I removed it myself

And forgot to replace it lole

[rocky gale]

Like I'm sorry but when you see Shaq talking about how atheletes go broke because of the taxes, while mentioning buying 5 houses and 19 cars. Like you aren't broke because of the taxes. You're broke because you're a fucking idiot.

[late verge]

Good

[jade holly]

Who else would be dumb enough to buy 15k points of Necron Serapteks?

[heady rivet]

Genuinely the issue with athletes is they go from low-income lives to making 60 million a year and they're like, 20

[jade holly]

I mean yeah that’s the big thing lmao

[heady rivet]

So most instantly blow it all and burn out and crash

[jade holly]

I see people who beg for money flex like $300 wrist watches

Like bruh

Priorities people

[heady rivet]

And if they play American Football they have 100000 concussions

[jade holly]

Only?

[vagrant fox]

truly athlethes should be paid less

[jade holly]

Athletes and actors

[heady rivet]

Get in the skin-peeler

[jade holly]

Like why does RDJ get $10 Million for coming back as Doctor Doom

[rocky gale]

I don't wear watches anyway, I've got a bit of bone that sticks out on my wrist which makes them uncomfortable.

[jade holly]

That’s just money laundering with extra steps

[vagrant fox]

Old World Blues is really cool gang

[rocky gale]

Ye, I'm waiting for all the submods to update before playing more though

[vagrant fox]

I don't really get watches I just got my phone

[late verge]

Okay :D

[rocky gale]

Now that Rustbelt updated it's just waiting for New England Rising and Monarchs and Margaritas

[vagrant fox]

tbh I got given a really pocket watch by my mum once that I sometimes wear, I kind of get watches

but not the wrist ones

[drifting path]

Do we have any media, perhaps a book, that covers a time when two factions came together against a common enemy?

[vagrant fox]

I got too impatient I gotta evilmax

[vagrant fox]

There's a few, yeah. Blood Angels and Necrons ganged up in a 5th edition codex to fight Tyranids

[drifting path]

Where would I find this?

[vagrant fox]

~~Maybe fmhy dot net ~~
Don't know really, it's pretty old by now

There's the 9th Ciaphas Cain book, Greater Good, where Imperial and Tau fight together, a few short stories I forget but can look up in a moment

[jade holly]

I want a story of a Kin who lost his entire League to Tyranids, Votan and all

And now dedicates whatever resources he has left to exterminating every Fleet, every hidden GSC gang he can find

[rocky gale]

So this guy?

[vagrant fox]

didn't he just get vored

[rocky gale]

He's the last surviving member of his League after they all got eaten by Tyranids

[jade holly]

Well damn

[spring cairn]

he just keep getting out

[jade holly]

Can’t have an original idea anymore

[vagrant fox]

Forges of Mars has some Black Templars and eldar coop, Isha's Lament has two imperials and two eldar, The Enemy of My Enemy has IG and orks vs tyranids, one of the Gaunts Ghosts has IG and Eldar vs chaos

They're somewhere online or on the soon to be dead Black Library website

[jade holly]

Wait the website is shutting down?

[vagrant fox]

They're shifting to the app aren't they

Granted I don't know the quality of some of thoe stories and some are pretty old

Vaults of Terra is pretty nice and has some of that featured though

[late verge]

Actually i ate his league sorry

[vagrant fox]

serves them right

youtube knows me so well

[last stone]

idk man

[storm jungle]

Are they an admech knight house?

[rose thorn]

yeah, it would make more sense since their entire thing was they betrayed the forgeworld and titan legion who turned traitor

[storm jungle]

Yeah you wouldnt keep the logo of the people you betrayed on your sigil lmao

[rose thorn]

lmao

fair point

[storm jungle]

also the base one looks way better without extra clutther

[vagrant fox]

Maybe a defaced version as a fu

[storm jungle]

Pretty good, another variant id suggest is something like this

like a tall shield

[rose thorn]

oh yeahh for the banners and stuff

could a house swap from admech to imperialis?

[storm jungle]

Yeah look up some static image of titan legions

[arctic talon]

No but yes

[rose thorn]

this is a knight house

[arctic talon]

No examples in universe

But I don’t see why not

[storm jungle]

they both use tons of banners/symbols, its good for inspo

[rose thorn]

oh yeah lol

"your loyalty and prowess in battle (and our utter lack of military now) shall erward you with not being exterminated for being associated with at traitor forgeworld"

[arctic talon]

Tbh

A massive chunk of the forgeworlds who went traitor got accepted back in

Bcs they had loyalist elements

[rose thorn]

ah fair

[cerulean trellis]

tbf that is basically slayer dwarves fropm fanatsy xD

[arctic talon]

But yeah you could switch it

[cerulean trellis]

loose all of their group/clan

[storm jungle]

Slayers are penitent dwarves

they become one as punishment, not for losing people

[storm jungle]

the crime can be anything actually serious to something very silly

[limpid granite]

knights of the mosquito

[cerulean trellis]

soem of them become slayers becasue they lost their whoel squad and were the sole survivors, then they look for their death

[rose thorn]

itsa dragon fly i can send the exact image im ripping offl mao

[cerulean trellis]

not always a punsihment

unless they retconned that

[limpid granite]

in ttw3 you can raid an enemy settlement over a grudge because they forgot 1 gold coin

if you then raid then the reward is exactly 1 coin

[limpid granite]

dwarves are extremely petty

[storm jungle]

Yeah but again not the entire thing

the Slayer Oath is very diverse

[limpid granite]

some slayers are also enormous failures

[storm jungle]

Yeah dwarves in WHF are stagnant for a reason

[limpid granite]

because they are too good at killing stuff

[celest dome]

Cause they shirk innovation

[rose thorn]

i just am trying to deside on the symbol for teh skae of uhh this design

[cerulean trellis]

true that

[storm jungle]

[daring creek]

Dragon fly mechanicus?

[rose thorn]

questor mechanicus vs questor imperalis

[daring creek]

I see

Looks kewl

[rose thorn]

which one looks betteR?

[daring creek]

Not sure.

[arctic talon]

I like the questor Mechanicus Sun more

Tbh

But I like the shield

For questor imperialis more

[jade holly]

With all this talk of knights is the new knight model good?

[arctic talon]

I like it

[rose thorn]

the ideas of a whim of the rules havent been released besides the fact that its fast lol

i like it tho

[limpid granite]

knight destrier

[cerulean trellis]

Shovelknight!

[rose thorn]

if the house remains questor mechanicus, then its like "yeah the knight house dominated and rebuilt with the few remaining loyalist admech with an iron first"

if they turn questor imperalis then its like "yeah they HATE admech believing that they will eventually betray the imperium"

[limpid granite]

https://klipy.com/gifs/pile-bunker-ac6

[plush mason]

isnt there a sect of tech priests that are focused on like military stuff?

[limpid granite]

secutors i believe

[plush mason]

specifically on leading the admech's military cohorts

[limpid granite]

Secutors are members of the Auxilia Myrmidon of the Adeptus Mechanicus that devote themselves to the art of warfare with a fervour other tech-priests normally reserve for tinkering with ancient technology.

[arctic talon]

Dominus

High ranking Myrmidons as well

Or high ranking Ordo reductor members

Ect.

[plush mason]

im sorry, why does the admech have a bunch of human warriors that use to be black ants?

[arctic talon]

Don’t worry about it

[plush mason]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Auxilia_Myrmidon

ok this guys look badass

[heady rivet]

||Woke.||

[storm jungle]

[paper haven]

Woke mentioned

[vagrant fox]

something woke something yakub

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/783433583816736820/1476236833091354805/go-1.mp4?ex=69a06430&is=699f12b0&hm=2f7e9993756d59fe3a448e3aff5358dce1461bae7b8e3eef3a534280cb4d84af&

[paper haven]

Everybody makes mistakes

[plush mason]

are warrants of trade normally this fucking big?

[celest dome]

They're not always this big, but the ones given by the Emperor/High Grades are

[plush mason]

real meaning the ones the emperor himself wrote yes

[celest dome]

yes

Or other high people

[storm jungle]

[solid horizon]

Dominus

I think

wait you meant a sect

[plush mason]

well i only said that because i wasnt sure what the different types of tech priests are called

[solid horizon]

yeah I think battlefield priests are dominus

[plush mason]

is it schools or something?

[solid horizon]

they have guns and stuff

[urban spire]

it's been ten thousand years since the emperor got his ass pickled, IRL HUMAN HISTORY only spans about 5k years give or take, and our oldest records are like a few thousand clay tablets

[opaque coyote]

Y'know I always wonder why tech priests always opt for more legs

[urban spire]

everything to do with history in 40k is monstrously complicated

[opaque coyote]

And not more regular arms

[celest dome]

https://i.imgur.com/F34JVWp.png

[urban spire]

and possibly not even true

[opaque coyote]

Like I get artistic wise

It's to make them look more insect like

[urban spire]

like you can't even prove the emperor ever existed

[solid horizon]

they have 4 arms already

[opaque coyote]

But I always wonder what's the benefit of having like

More legs

Rather than more arms

[solid horizon]

stability

[opaque coyote]

Yeah two regular and two mechandendrites usually

Always wonder why they don't have more

You can do a lot of things with multiple arms

Multiple eyes

[solid horizon]

tech priest dominus has two set of arms

[opaque coyote]

Multiple legs kinda sound like a harder sell

[urban spire]

short of going to terra and carbon dating his ass

[solid horizon]

blaster, cane, axe and pistol

[opaque coyote]

I guess stability does matter cause like

You said

Made out of metal

Probably need more to stabilize

But I always wonder if they can do shit like

Climb up walls

Like a spider

[celest dome]

Stability, power, weight distribution

[solid horizon]

tbh I think the dominus mini is the only one with many legs

personally I like this aspect because mine is dark mechanicus and it fits

youve also got the ugly ass dad build manipulus

dude has beer belly and looks like he's picking his nose

terrible design, GW

[opaque coyote]

Honestly an extra idea I had for the dark Mechanicus is to like

Make them look so inhuman even compared to most tech priests

Like most tech priests have a bipedal stance, even if they have multiple legs. They're still standing like a human being

[urban spire]

mechanicus mpreg

[opaque coyote]

So I imagined like

What if they looked similar to the machines from the Matrix

https://tenor.com/view/animatrix-second-renaissance-gif-26991609

[solid horizon]

dark mechanicus priests tend to look more human than their loyalist counterpart

[urban spire]

heresy

[solid horizon]

because they're not chasing technical improvement

[crystal forum]

what the hell is this

[solid horizon]

most hereteks are hereteks either because they're legit evil or classified as criminal

they wanna get smorter with xeno knowledge

[urban spire]

you cant diverge from the human form thats tech heresy it says right there

[solid horizon]

and do shit usually forbidden

[celest dome]

Admech organisation chart

[urban spire]

lives for four thousand years and loses the plot a little bit

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but I always thought that the few Dark Mechanicum things is that they're even more varied than the Mechanicus

[urban spire]

humans have what, six legs?

i think six

[opaque coyote]

Due to how they're outright criminals

[crystal forum]

there's some stuff missing because of how it's cropped

[opaque coyote]

Even in Mechanicus standards

Which tbf can vary from

"fiddling with Xenos tech a bit"

To

"I think making an advanced murderous AI IS A GOOD IDEA!'

[solid horizon]

based lukas chrom pilled

[urban spire]

dark mechanicum just has less models i'd wager

[opaque coyote]

But yeah I always thought that as a result of them being unrestricted

[urban spire]

less representation

[opaque coyote]

That the dark Mechanicus would look more inhuman

[solid horizon]

"I'm going to try to revive a human, it took 3000 lives already and I still don't know how to revive a human"

[opaque coyote]

Completely separate from the limitations of flesh

And even the human form

Like I imagined one looking like a centipede

[crystal forum]

cawl is one bad day away from being dark admech

[opaque coyote]

With a human brain

[urban spire]

but yeah in practice dark mechanicum is just hotter i guess

[solid horizon]

as I said, dark mechanicus fellas bother more about being smort than improving themselves

[urban spire]

also green, green's evil

[opaque coyote]

ZAMN!!!

[urban spire]

green and black anyway

green and red is fine

[crystal forum]

they got the robot thigh highs

[opaque coyote]

Not Necrons

Clearly

[solid horizon]

dark mech dudes also make themselves more fleshy, be it accident or not

cause chaos and genetic experiments

[opaque coyote]

But yeah I always imagined some insect like

Biomechanical abominations

[solid horizon]

they do create a lof ot funny stuff

[opaque coyote]

Like they don't even have an approximate human shape anymore

[solid horizon]

basically they have no restriction on what to build

[urban spire]

dark admech gets to play with ai though

[opaque coyote]

They've lost the plot even more than the regular Mechanicus

[solid horizon]

so most of the time they just assemble random bits into metal cursed humonculi

[opaque coyote]

I also imagined devices like

[urban spire]

dark admech does however suffer from the general chaos saturday morning cartoon villain syndrome

[opaque coyote]

The Navigators for Dark Mechanicum ships are literally just a bunch of psyker brains in jars

[solid horizon]

dark admech is just 1800s mad scientists really

[opaque coyote]

Too cumbersome to deal with bodies

Just

Get rid of em

[urban spire]

so unrestrained science just ends up meaning mad evil science

[solid horizon]

normal ad mech is elon musk and google

dark mech is

frankenstein, dr moreau type shit

"mmh today I'm going to assemble this junk creation of mine because I can"

[opaque coyote]

Not really Elon

Mainly because Elon never did any work

Or research

Or anything actually

[solid horizon]

ad mech wants you to believe they do research

[opaque coyote]

He just made some lucky half decent investment

[solid horizon]

but yeah dark mech gets to create a lot of more funny stuff with daemons and curses

[opaque coyote]

At least most Magos got to their position via some type of merit

[solid horizon]

which is something normal ad mech cannot do to spend time

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I always thought that they need to be utilized more

[urban spire]

high ranking admech get to do research

[opaque coyote]

#2 in my list of

[solid horizon]

basically dark mech do kitbash for pasttime

[opaque coyote]

"Please god actually make more models and development please"

#1 being Xenos in general

[limpid granite]

cawl gets to do whatever he wants unless its about the ruinous powers

yes cawl can tinker with xenotech

[opaque coyote]

Cawl generally does work

And only does a single atrocity against humanity, nature, and God every day

[urban spire]

cawl is also completely fucking divorced from the human experience

[solid horizon]

dark mech also suffers from

not being a united faction

cults aren't all allied

[limpid granite]

cawl being one of the few techpriests to actualy listen and take instructions from a necron

[opaque coyote]

He at least attempts to keep himself together.

He gets custody on the weekends essentially

[urban spire]

lmao

[opaque coyote]

It barely even fucking works

But he's still not dark Mechanicum tier

Or the assholes that argue in Mars

[urban spire]

physical proximity to mars is kinda hazardous to tech priests

[solid horizon]

dark mechanicus setting is just literally those mad scientist castles with thunder and shit

[rocky gale]

I mean Cawl is technically a composite of many people at this point

[opaque coyote]

Like tbf he made an AI of Guilliman to test run how presenting a thing would go.

Like, as fucked up as it is, he is at least aware enough of the human condition that he wants to practice for meetings accurately

[plush mason]

everyone knows simi-digigrade legs are hot

[opaque coyote]

And to know what would make Guilliman want to rip his head off

[solid horizon]

"Muahahahahahahahah !!!!! Finally !!! after ten thousand years of work I finally stuffed living fire in a trash can !!!!!"

[limpid granite]

waking up the guilliman ai already makes this happen

[rocky gale]

Quarian legs

🤤

[solid horizon]

30k skits be like

[opaque coyote]

Yeah he has multiple personalities depending on the situation.

Although I like the idea that they speak sorta like the Master

Even though it isn't what happens

[solid horizon]

master is peak dark mechanicum

[opaque coyote]

I think TTS (+1 sin) actually did it that way

Where Cawl switches between multiple voices and changes moods in-between sentences

[solid horizon]

"hhm today I will chain assemble infertile orks"

[rocky gale]

It's not really multiple personalities, it's the minds of several people merged collectively into one

[solid horizon]

so basically

a band manager

[opaque coyote]

Atp he only keeps the name Cawl around because it's convenient

And also would be hard to refer to him with multiple names

[opaque coyote]

Yeah the AI even figures out he is one because of that

Like

[urban spire]

anyway cawl's proximity to space marines makes me not like him

[opaque coyote]

"Ordinarily I would turn you into slag but because I feel strangely calm. I must be an AI"

[solid horizon]

gulliman AI vs daemonculaba ventris

who will win

[opaque coyote]

I mean

Alpha Primus singlehandedly makes it worth

He's a great character

[urban spire]

eh

kinda edgy

[opaque coyote]

Like a fucked up version of Cain and Jurgen

[opaque coyote]

You mean

A tabletop game with dark elves who torture people as a lifestyle

And with names such as "Night Lords", "Flesh Tearers"

Is edgy?

I can't believe it

[urban spire]

i am pretty critical of those too

i believe i have been pretty internally consistent in my stance on space marines

[solid horizon]

imagine playing dark mechanicus and having to put dark before every mechanicus owned unit

makes me feel emo

[hollow lantern]

40k in general is kinda edgy

Anyone you like perpetuates suffering in some form or fashion ime

[celest dome]

Dark Mechanicum

[solid horizon]

I get it everyday

NO I AM NOT A SLANEESH PLAYER

[opaque coyote]

Embrace the Dark Prince

https://tenor.com/view/slaanesh-warhammer-total-war-gif-24197491

[solid horizon]

never

that shit was on my side on the apocalypse game

and it did nothing of the whole game but clog every troop downtown

I hate big units

[urban spire]

i think books about the direct actions of ancient faction leaders like cawl or the primarchs were a mistake

these figures should be mythical, you should hear about their actions through a filter of rumour and time

[solid horizon]

only big units I will ever accept are the ones with scuttling walker ability

[hollow lantern]

Oh I agree with this

Imo 30k existed if you wanted primarchs

Now 30k and 40k lines are more blurred

Happens in gameplay too, primaris units are set up much like 30k units ime

[urban spire]

i kinda think 30k shouldn't exist but whatever, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube

[solid horizon]

30k out there robbing 40k from all the good sculpts

[hollow lantern]

I think 30k should've been written more cohesively and not extended 5 books at a time but whatever

[opaque coyote]

The Slop Heresy

The purest example of

[tough haven]

All of 30k can be summed up in like a paragraph

[solid horizon]

Horussy

[tough haven]

Most of it is irrelevant

[opaque coyote]

"This series literally could be cut in half and it wouldn't change shit'

[tough haven]

Cut in 80%

[solid horizon]

John warhammer gathered the 40000 warhammers and defeated the evil horus heresy

he said "it's warhammering time" and warhammered all over the place

[hollow lantern]

I prefer 30k era marines tbh

I like their stories more than 40k era

So while I agree you can summarize a lot of the grand strokes I do enjoy a lot of the individual books

Like I wouldn't give up First Heretic, Betrayer, Know No Fear for any 3 40k books about marines

[tough haven]

I despise marine stories of all eras, I find most of them boring and repetitive, with a few exceptions

[rose thorn]

Wiat, it’s supposed to be a sun?

[arctic talon]

Yes

The background for the questor Mechanicus rounded shield is meant to be a sun/star

[solid horizon]

"I'm a good guy ubermench doing good guy ubermench things"

[arctic talon]

The questor Mechanicus are more boomer then questor Imperialis

[urban spire]

space marines hit any story and any setting like a nuclear bomb, they fundamentally change the narrative landscape around them

[opaque coyote]

It's why the Night Lord series is

[urban spire]

it becomes about war and space marines

[opaque coyote]

Worthy to be glazed

Because it goes into depth on being said ""ubermensch""

And how it isn't really that

...

Uber

Congratulations you tricked a bunch of children/young teenagers

And turned them into super soldiers

[solid horizon]

US army be like

[opaque coyote]

How shocking that a good chunk of them rebelled

[solid horizon]

except they're not super

[urban spire]

neither are space marines!

[opaque coyote]

Yeah except they don't even have the option of therapy

Or drinking the pain away

Unless if you're space wolves

[urban spire]

they're heavy infantry! they're only mostly resistant to small arms fire!

[opaque coyote]

Probably why they're loyalist

[solid horizon]

idk I do remember calgar drinking a lot of wine

[urban spire]

a space marine can charge heroically into autocannon fire, but it won't be a long charge, and by the end it won't look very heroic

[opaque coyote]

Jokes aside, it's even worse than army recruitment because at least on paper. You can only join when you're 18

And it's strictly voluntary (until it isn't)

While some SMs just kidnap children

[lament shoal]

Space sharks moment!

[solid horizon]

heroism is the enemy of survival instinct

[urban spire]

american military recruiters lie early and lie often, they have real strict quotas

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's why I said

[rose thorn]

lmao how

[opaque coyote]

On paper

[arctic talon]

Because they're way older lol

[opaque coyote]

Also from stories from ex-recruiters

Being a recruiter fucking sucks ass

[lament shoal]

They almost got me once during my first year of college

[arctic talon]

The House Mechanicus's are way older institutionally

[opaque coyote]

It's like being a salesman except instead of trying to sell an actual product

[arctic talon]

as bodies/organizations

[opaque coyote]

You're trying to sell being a soldier

[urban spire]

also both the US and the UK have traditions of early recruitment bodies that start training kids at like 14-16

[arctic talon]

a lot of countries have this

💀

its kind of horrid

[urban spire]

oh yeah i hear the suicide rate is high

to which i can only say

[arctic talon]

tbf

yeah

[urban spire]

no comment

[arctic talon]

that sort of job is kind of awful lol

well not even kind of

[rose thorn]

oh yeah, was mars the only forge world and all the other ones were made during or after the great crusade, or was there other forgeworlds?

[opaque coyote]

As immoral and horrible as it is. I actually somewhat understand them lying.

Because it's the only way they can even do their job.

That doesn't mean that it's moral

Or an excuse

[vagrant fox]

the fresh space marine thinking he's the hottest shit when he encounters a hunter killer missile

[opaque coyote]

But I understand

[arctic talon]

Forgeworlds date back to the Age of Strife

[opaque coyote]

If that makes any sense

[arctic talon]

they were created during it early on

after the Mechanicum won the civil war on mars

[opaque coyote]

Like holy shit it must suck ass to be one

And I think recruiters generally are chosen to be one

[rose thorn]

wait erally? its that old?

[arctic talon]

Yes

The Mechanicus is older then the imperium

by a not insignificant margin

[urban spire]

following orders is a bad, sorry excuse

[opaque coyote]

Yeah again

[vagrant fox]

What makes space marines super is on top of the nonsense they have going on physically and armour wise is hundreds of years of experience and institutional knowledge, a smart one's deadly

[arctic talon]

They're not DAOT old

[opaque coyote]

Ain't forgiving them

[arctic talon]

but they're oollllllllld

[opaque coyote]

Just that I somewhat understand how much th job would fucking suck

[rose thorn]

so what, during the crusade mars just went to forge worlds and religiously convertede veryone or dumped off thier own guys to take over?

[arctic talon]

no, those forge worlds were already part of the cult mechanicus

they just joined back into the fold

[rose thorn]

ahhhh

[lament shoal]

That last sentence made me think of this for some reason lol

[arctic talon]

as one semi unified organization

[heady rivet]

As much as we point and laugh, a century of near-constant fighting will make you actually good at that

[opaque coyote]

It's enough to have me not swear at them at least.

I just take a flier and hope that counts as a step towards their quota fulfilled

And then throw it away later

[arctic talon]

nah

their quota is actual recruits

lol

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I know

[vagrant fox]

that's just this novel

I posted an image, the novel is Taker of Heads

[urban spire]

it's not near constant fighting though

smarines, like in real life, do a lot of "go here and wait"

[solid horizon]

and then the hunter missile misses because it's 4+ BS roll

[opaque coyote]

It's a mix of constant war. 100 years of combat in-between the classic

"wait lmao"

[rose thorn]

for the forge world, i think maybe it is high on resources but turns out a majority of the species are Lithotrophs (consume non organic matter) so they had to kill the wild life to get the minerals?

[opaque coyote]

Will make you experienced

Also they're usually sent in when shit gets hot anyways

[heady rivet]

Space Marines pretty much go from warzone to warzone to warzone 99% of the time. We only see the notable times and not "Brother Goes-Ham punches 10000 cultists to death everyday for a month"

[opaque coyote]

So they don't usually have to wait long

[rose thorn]

"we need 5000 hundred thousand tons of iron, go kill some elephants"

[opaque coyote]

They kill a cultist

In their HuD there's a

2/10000

sigh

[lament shoal]

I honestly love the guerrilla aesthetic that sm scouts tend to have

[urban spire]

even if they literally never went back to their homeworld for any reason and just went from battle to battle, transit time alone would occupy most of it

[opaque coyote]

Tbf Warp Travel makes transit time uhh

Questionable

And by that I mean it can range from

"I got here 5 years before the battle even started"

To

[urban spire]

days to weeks to months to years

[rose thorn]

i get raptors are the tactical stleathy ones, but unless they are a shadow master i really doubt a space marine can outstleath tau lmao (im aware its a shitpost)

[opaque coyote]

"What do you mean it's been 100 years? We've only traveled for like 1 week"

[rose thorn]

not even in phobos

[vagrant fox]

They're proper cool

[urban spire]

space marines literally have giant vents on their power packs they'd show up on thermals instantly

[opaque coyote]

But yeah generally Space Marines are constantly set to hot zones and only really come back to their home planet for resupply or training recruits.

Hell depending the chapter, the ship literally is their base

[opaque coyote]

You see due to scifi bullshit, they're actually hidden

[rose thorn]

i know phobos haev stuff to counteract that, i assume shadow masters can make the person viewing them not aware they exist lol

[opaque coyote]

Tbf that's honestly only really a problem for like

Raven Guard

I don't imagine most SM chapters are sneaky

In fact most are very loud

[urban spire]

heavy infantry is shock troops, generally

otherwise you wouldn't need the heavy part

[opaque coyote]

By the time you do notice them they're most likely already close by

[urban spire]

you don't waste materiel on something that doesn't need it

[opaque coyote]

Which is generally not where you want to be

They usually land via Drop pods or ships after all

[urban spire]

it is my understanding that space marines typically arrive in gigantic drop pods, gigantic APCs, gigantic troop carrier aircraft OR, on special occasions, carried by gigantic jetpacks

[opaque coyote]

I would argue for most of them being detected doesn't matter that much

Raven Guard and Night Lords probably have something special to prevent being thermal detected

Although a part of me wishes they at least had thinner looking PA

Would've been neat

But in general, there's a reason why Alpha Legion mainly use brainwashed human operators

[rose thorn]

i have equal votes for questor mechanicus and questor imperialis for my knight house lmao

[opaque coyote]

Although it's funny how

At least the 30k version

Is probably the most friendly Legion to work for?

They usually try to extract their operators even at a heavy cost

[rose thorn]

WB was not bad if you followed their religion

their uh, auxilary went pretty down hill quickly tho lmao

[opaque coyote]

I mean there's the brainwashing

But like

Imperium

Ngl Brainwashing is probably standard

[vagrant fox]

The majority, some do stealth

[opaque coyote]

Who cares about being a sleeper agent

You ain't doing anything better anyways

[urban spire]

salamanders are pretty okay to work with probably ||unless you're an elf child||

[opaque coyote]

[opaque coyote]

Generally they are

It's said a lot but they even visit family

[urban spire]

scouts!

[opaque coyote]

Which is honestly fucking funny to imagine

[urban spire]

i do like that scouts don't wear the full power armour

[opaque coyote]

Imagine going to the Thanksgiving (which somehow survived as a holiday)

Family party

You hear stomps at the Door

It's Uncle Rhom

You've never met him

You open the door

See this big tall man in power armor

He's holding a tray of food

"BRING THEM SUPPER"

[arctic talon]

Very funny to go through so much effort making a marine only to shove them into carapace armor at first tbh

It’s cool though

[vagrant fox]

What was it that made the invictor warsuit quiet again, some special something

[opaque coyote]

Tbf they're usually in less dangerous jobs and they haven't gotten the Geneseed shoved into their ass yet.

[urban spire]

the thing about scouts being initiates who havent earned their armour is stupid as hell, however it is 100% in line with dipshit fascist practice

[opaque coyote]

And arguably

The Geneseed is the most important thing

[arctic talon]

Oh it’s great lol

[urban spire]

see: every king tiger was full of glory seeking dipshits, not a single competent pilot among them

[arctic talon]

Weird special bullshit mechanicus servos they keep to themselves

But Cawl decided to let marines have some as a treat

[vagrant fox]

zamn I thought it had a name

[opaque coyote]

Generally most SMs go with might makes right

[arctic talon]

And also guard had a relic to give their sentinels them as a treat

[opaque coyote]

Type of shit

[arctic talon]

Yeah basically

[opaque coyote]

Which is why they usually recruit from

Deathworlds

[arctic talon]

Might and being a 🤓 about war

[opaque coyote]

Along with their home planets

[arctic talon]

Are usually the requisite things for higher ranks

lol

[opaque coyote]

Tbf if a kid survived someplace like

[urban spire]

scouts are specialists! they need ADDITIONAL training, not less!

[opaque coyote]

Idk

[arctic talon]

For children they’re just children

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Medusa or someplace

They probably have a slightly higher chance

[vagrant fox]

It's really funny that the aspirants go through death or survive trials, surgery that'll kill them, who knows what else, then have to prove themselves

[opaque coyote]

Ignore that it's highly dependent on Luck

[urban spire]

beating every chapter master to death with the codex astartes

[opaque coyote]

And that it also depends on genetics

Surgery

Etc.

[arctic talon]

They do get training + a veteran with them 💀

It’s still dum

But it’s less dum

[opaque coyote]

And also they generally do

Less dangerous tasks

[urban spire]

making every new recruit to your army go through a phase as a scout is dumb

[arctic talon]

Dangerous is a relative term

[opaque coyote]

Well

Less dangerous than charging directly

[arctic talon]

Marines do that for every battle role it’s goofy

[opaque coyote]

They still have to sneak around

But like

[urban spire]

shouts out to the space wolves in this regard though, their "scouts" are funny

[opaque coyote]

It's a higher chance of living in general

Compared to

"Charge the enemy"

[arctic talon]

Blood claws are goofy as hell lol

[urban spire]

too high on dog juice to be useful soldiers, take a chainsword and run at the enemy, if you survive we can find a use for you

[opaque coyote]

Space Marines in general are

...I hesitate to say this

They're good.

But the problem is that they're

So overutilized

That every fan is tired of them

Even saying that they're overutilized

Is tired in itself

And although I love me some Chaos SMs

[arctic talon]

Grass is green

[opaque coyote]

C'mon man there's literally Chaos Xenos

[arctic talon]

Wait wrong image

Whatever still fits

[urban spire]

lmao what is that from

[opaque coyote]

What was the right image

[arctic talon]

Arknights lmao

[arctic talon]

It was suffering builds character

[urban spire]

damn

[opaque coyote]

But yeah I also like Sisters of Battle

And I honestly wish they had more detailed faction lore

Because their lore is genuinely entertaining in my opinion

Like they were originally made because of Goge Vandire

A) He wanted a support base that would die for him

B) ...he just wanted a bunch of women near him

[urban spire]

SoB lore should be written exclusively by lesbians

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-19787475173016375

[opaque coyote]

Bitch have you seen their hair.

[arctic talon]

It’s specifically from chapter 8 of the story iirc

But I keep that image around as a reaction image

Bcs getting told to “kill yourself” is really funny

[rose thorn]

Number 1 hater of chaos SoB and second greatest hater of Chaos Xenos

[urban spire]

idk what you're getting at

[arctic talon]

Why do you hate chaos xenos smh

Lame

[opaque coyote]

Gacha slop related

[rose thorn]

I like warp xenos, I don’t like chaos Eldar or chaos orks or etc

[opaque coyote]

If it's not the generic bob haircut, it's usually something ridiculous

[urban spire]

yeah

[arctic talon]

You forgot bald

[opaque coyote]

And I fucking love it

[urban spire]

it's very lesbian

[opaque coyote]

Exactly

[urban spire]

butch as hell

[opaque coyote]

It's already been done

[urban spire]

https://youtu.be/cgpw0lZnTR0 apropos, check this out

[opaque coyote]

I had a funny idea

Of a man who accidentally became a sister

Out of a bureaucratic fuck up

And because they couldn't transfer him out

[opaque coyote]

Because the paper to do so is stuck inbetween

[urban spire]

THEY TRANSFEMMED HIM IN

nailed it

[arctic talon]

There’s a heavily implied to be trans SoB in the dark coil book

With them in it

[opaque coyote]

🔥

[arctic talon]

Go read dark coil

[rose thorn]

Peak

[arctic talon]

Or don’t

[opaque coyote]

But yeah jokes aside. I imagined him actually looking like a regular dude

Just stuck in boob armor

He's fine

A chill guy perhaps

Still just as religious

As a normal SoB

Like he's basically just around

He's the equivalent of that one guy in a girl's friend group basically

And they treat him normally also

[urban spire]

oh he's the grungler

[opaque coyote]

What the fuck is a grungler

Although because it's grimdark

[opaque coyote]

And everyone has to have some level of misery

I'm imagining that he's gay

But he's also literally around women most of the time

[urban spire]

that's a grungler

[opaque coyote]

Yeah basically

[limpid granite]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[opaque coyote]

So he literally can't find anybody to start a relationship with or to date

Because all of his peers are women

[solid horizon]

Warhammer chelsea cut we got in darktide ?

[opaque coyote]

With him being so desperate, he flirted with a commissar

...

The commissar basically malfunctioned

Because he was also shouting at him for something unrelated

So imagine reprimanding somebody and they say something like

"Are you a bolter? Because I want your big bullet exploding inside me."

Or something equally as bad

Like he is that desperate for someone

Because it's 40k

Everyone needs to have some level of ironic misery

[solid horizon]

wat

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-oguri-uma-musume-umamusume-squishy-gif-14372802265437813043

[opaque coyote]

Also his armor is a bit too tight for him

Cause it's made for women

And even though SoBs are muscular

[solid horizon]

aren't sisters of battle

big

[opaque coyote]

Different shape

Body mass

Etc.

[arctic talon]

They’re normal human sized

[opaque coyote]

Like men are still generally taller and bigger than females on average

[solid horizon]

damn

[arctic talon]

Their power armor makes em bigger

[urban spire]

SoB armour have kinda a corset aesthetic going on

[arctic talon]

But it gets resized

As needed

[solid horizon]

so their terrible stats wasn't just sexism

[arctic talon]

They’re normal humans in power armor yes

[solid horizon]

neat

but also

sadge

[opaque coyote]

It's why I like them in general

[solid horizon]

my pride of having killed a lot of sis of battle is gone

[opaque coyote]

I like their niche being a weird inbetween of

[arctic talon]

The SoS having normal stats despite book 9 inferno saying “they’re augmented” is weird.

But augmented tech priests are also T3 1W baseline

So

[opaque coyote]

SMs and a normal Guardsman

[arctic talon]

Ask GW

What their logic is internally

Bcs tech priests are also normal human statline

[opaque coyote]

Honestly might just be a throw away line

[arctic talon]

Except when they aren’t

[opaque coyote]

Cause their treatment is also generally

"They're normalish"

[arctic talon]

GW is weird about toughness/wounds/strength score always

[opaque coyote]

It's just that their blank aura basically stuns everyone

[arctic talon]

It’s pretty arbitrary beyond some basic riles

[arctic talon]

It’s not bcs it’s the black books

[urban spire]

isn't it their blankness that gets augmented

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I imagine it's likely just augments to keep up with like Custodes and SMs.

Like to be able to actually see them move more than just a blur

To be able to react just as fast

[arctic talon]

It just says they’re are augmented which could mean literally anything

lol

[urban spire]

yeah idk i'm real shaky on SoS lore

[opaque coyote]

Maybe, but I don't think so.

Like even a weak blank like Jurgen can basically disable most Psykers

[urban spire]

wouldn't call jurgen weak

[arctic talon]

They’re like tech priests/skitarii who prolly should have higher toughness baseline but don’t because D6 system

The range is narrow ultimately

[opaque coyote]

And SoS are usually the type of blanks that make normal people homicidal

[arctic talon]

So GW just goes with broad stuff

[urban spire]

granted a lot of that is the melta gun

[arctic talon]

It’s why Orks are T5

[opaque coyote]

Rather than Jurgen who has regular people think they're

Just smelly

Which given his manners, probably isn't even fully his blankness

But it also gives a "Chicken or the Egg" question

Cause was Jurgen neat and just gave up because people thought he is smelly?

[urban spire]

fully in headcanon territory, but that kinda behavior is often a result of abuse

[arctic talon]

Marathon Grub

[opaque coyote]

Or was he just always smelly

[arctic talon]

Juergen was prolly abused by his parents lol

[lament shoal]

Average gsc baby

[arctic talon]

Considering he’s a blank

[opaque coyote]

I mean he's often ignored and abused by everyone except Cain

[urban spire]

yeah

[opaque coyote]

And Amberley

[arctic talon]

It’s cuter then a gsc baby

[opaque coyote]

Which is why he is loyal to Cain

Cain doesn't treat him as subhuman

He treats him normally

And to him, that's somebody worth dying for

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-incredible-meme-true-true-meme-computer-gif-1001249237588985364

[opaque coyote]

And also he is intentionally left out of propaganda movies about Cain

Which Cain complains about a lot

[arctic talon]

I want to hug the marathon grub

For some reason

It looks very cute

[urban spire]

but yeah it's like a defense mechanism to intentionally be physically repulsive

[storm jungle]

Counterpoint

[arctic talon]

I think it’s the eyes

[storm jungle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/worm-wurm

the Hive worm is big competition

[opaque coyote]

Mmm

Worm

[arctic talon]

Hive worms are cute

It’s true

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/lootbug-deep-rock-galactic-lootbug-pat-gif-27348065

Lootbug

[storm jungle]

Kill it NOW

[lament shoal]

NOOOOOOO

[solid horizon]

kill every worm

[urban spire]

don't harm lootbug

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-the-witch-queen-witch-queen-worm-savathuns-worm-gif-24979830

[opaque coyote]

I always like how the Dwarves always feel depressed after killing a loot bug

[solid horizon]

or feed it to the kraken

[opaque coyote]

Maggots in general are like

[arctic talon]

Ngl parasite is such a funny gun

[urban spire]

i miss destiny

[opaque coyote]

Strangely adorable when they're bigger

[arctic talon]

I love putting the worm in a gun

[opaque coyote]

Don't forget one of the OG worm guns

The spore launcher from Half Life Opposing Force

[arctic talon]

No

But this gun shoot the worm

[opaque coyote]

You literally feed it stuff so that it can shoot

[arctic talon]

And have heartbeat monitor for worm

[urban spire]

doesn't regular half life have a worm gun too

[opaque coyote]

Ah

[opaque coyote]

It has the Hive Hand

Which tbh is kinda fucking useless

Which is sad

[urban spire]

mean to it

[opaque coyote]

Black Mesa's first equip animation makes me feel really bad for it

https://youtu.be/vTWQEgDvoE4?si=04ew9urrmXfN1NW6

For obvious reasons

It's also implied that the Grunts also do the same thing

[vagrant fox]

Kinda weird that D2 had two whole wormguns

[opaque coyote]

I love how Gordon hesitates

And how the Hive Hand switches its mandibles after the

deed is done

It's also why I rarely use it

[arctic talon]

There's also the gun with bug with a soul of a human in it

[opaque coyote]

Because I genuinely just feel bad

The things literal existence

Is to get it's hand shoved up it

And to be forcefully used as a weapon

[urban spire]

wow that's upsetting

[opaque coyote]

Because the Grunts and their weapon are made in factories

[vagrant fox]

I don't even remember that one

[opaque coyote]

Which implies that the thing was made to have a hand shoved up it's ass

[arctic talon]

worm go in gun, gun shoot worm

Worm is revived and reloaded

infinite ammo/hj

[vagrant fox]

worm has a good time

[arctic talon]

Savathuns worm deserves the hurt of exploding anyways

it gets to feed on death all it wants

just a bit of pain when it goes boom

[opaque coyote]

Don't forget this thing

It's a worm gun

That fires worms

[arctic talon]

true

[opaque coyote]

It's from System Shock 2

[arctic talon]

Xenophage