40k-lore-chat

[jade holly]

The idea of a career politician in general to me is a sign our entire system sucks

[arctic talon]

Career politicians suck

As a concept lol

[last stone]

I doubt it would run better

[jade holly]

You shouldn’t be able to make a career of being a civil servant

Let alone getting rich by it

[opaque coyote]

Career politicians shouldn't be a thing.

The problem is that how the fuck do we even incentivize people?

[arctic talon]

Their salaries are low they just get to inside trade instead

[opaque coyote]

Preferably there shouldn't be one but let's

be fair here

[arctic talon]

Bonds

lol

[opaque coyote]

A lot only join in for the power

[arctic talon]

Government bonds

Stable investment

[jade holly]

The worst part is to change anything they have to vote in losing their ability to not do insider trading in office

[opaque coyote]

Whether the power to do good or do evil

[jade holly]

So they just won’t

[opaque coyote]

It's still power

[jade holly]

They have to limit themselves

[arctic talon]

You have a vested interest to not let the government explode as well

[jade holly]

Like Hell they’d do that

[arctic talon]

Deadass pay them with more bonds

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that should definitely be a first

Remove insider trading

It wouldn't fix ALL of our problems

[arctic talon]

It’s like exclusively the younger politicians voting against it in congress lol 💀

It’s so bad lol

[opaque coyote]

But it'd definitely fix a good amount

[arctic talon]

Every time it comes up with vote

[jade holly]

The legislative Branch having the choice to limit itself is a problem

[arctic talon]

It’s a bipartisan issue on both sides

Except

It’s based on age split

Which is fucking hilarious

Under 40’s tend to vote against it

[opaque coyote]

Voting against removing insider trading

[arctic talon]

Over tend to vote for it

[opaque coyote]

Or voting for removing insider trading

[jade holly]

Imo the Judicial or Executive should have the ability to set term limits for representatives and senators as well as ban any insider trading and lobbying

[arctic talon]

It’s to not allow congress members to trade stock

[opaque coyote]

Ah

So for removal

Go it

[arctic talon]

Lobbying is never going to be banned is the issue

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's fucking awful

[jade holly]

Unfortunately

[opaque coyote]

Unless if some major reform happens

[arctic talon]

If it’s banned we just go to under the table bribes exclusively again

And then that’s a whole other shit storm

[opaque coyote]

Would at least be harder

But it would also be harder to find out

[jade holly]

Fuck it, bring back duels

[opaque coyote]

At least insider trading should be banned

[jade holly]

At least make it interesting to watch lmao

[opaque coyote]

Like everyone can agree on that except the people who benefit

And it's usually old people

Unless if they're somebody like Bernie

[jade holly]

How long has McConnell been in office?

too damn long

[opaque coyote]

Somebody please drag him away

Democrats aren't my preferred party overall but Mitch makes them just

So much worse

[jade holly]

Democrats?

Mitch is GOO

Bah close enough lmao

[opaque coyote]

Oh

I was thinking of Schumer

[jade holly]

Mitch is def an eldritch horror in disguise

[opaque coyote]

But yeah Mitch needs to be gone

[jade holly]

Mitch and Chuck both

[opaque coyote]

I think it should be

A rule

[jade holly]

They have strangleholds on the parties

[arctic talon]

Mitch is genuinely a turtle

That’s why he’s so old

[opaque coyote]

To just block people from running for anything when they're 60+

And drag them out once they reach 60

[opaque coyote]

Don't insult turtles like that

[jade holly]

Ehhhh I’d rather hard limits on how many terms you can run first

Rather than an age cap

but def add an age cap later on

Damn chat died

[vagrant fox]

This is a good geezer

[jade holly]

I trust him

[storm jungle]

amazing art god damn

[opaque coyote]

I would say both

[jade holly]

Is he standing on oil?

Or Promethium?

[opaque coyote]

Most sane zealot

Trust me guys

I know him

He does charity work on the weekends

Very nice guy

[jade holly]

He donates warmth to the poor Xenos

[opaque coyote]

He even gifts them some nice lead

Lead and warmth

[vagrant fox]

It's by a Manuel Castañón, he did the cover art for Godeater's Son apparently

One day I will commission a r t (BOTS DO NOT CONTACT ME) of my Darktide zealot

[opaque coyote]

I had a funny idea of Santa being a neutral warp entity

He mainly gives gifts to children of all races

[jade holly]

You can’t say the word for painting starting with “A”?

[opaque coyote]

Even Xenos and such

[jade holly]

[opaque coyote]

Everybody constantly hunts him

Nobody caught him

Not even once

[vagrant fox]

Last time I did together with the word commission I had eight somethings trying to contact me

[opaque coyote]

"bro guys I'm an artist please commission me"

shows AI art

shows obviously traced art

Wouldn't even mind if they actually posted their actual art

But it almost never is

[vagrant fox]

I innately don't trust it even if they were real folk

[opaque coyote]

Honestly even then the best thing to do would be to just

Link your artist social media

Like your X, blue sky, whatever the fuck

And be like

"If you're interested, here."

Not immediately put a PayPal link

First sign of a scam

[jade holly]

If they ask for money before showing off their talents

Don’t trust them

[opaque coyote]

Also usually artists have detailed like

Commission prices

Like "Sketch for $X amount" insert example of a sketch

"Line art for $Y amount" insert examples of line art

Type of shit

[opaque coyote]

Also

CHECKMATE SANTA DENIERS

[late verge]

Is there a forty kay equivalent of santa

[arctic talon]

No

[late verge]

Oh wait

[arctic talon]

Sanguinala is Christmas

[late verge]

Sanguinius

[arctic talon]

But no Santa

Santa is more like a Jesus figure

[late verge]

flies around
red
honored on christmas analog holiday

Sanguinius is santa

[daring creek]

Gifts?

[storm jungle]

Your gift is 2 minute break during 24 hours of work in the factories

[arctic talon]

You forgot mandatory telling on people for anti imperium behavior

[storm jungle]

Snitches, GET REWARDS

[celest dome]

Candlemass is the more general Christmas no ?

[storm jungle]

It is yeah

Sanguinala also is kinda the same thing though so

[hollow lantern]

"How can the imperium be bad if they get 2 Christmases?"

[celest dome]

It's the Christmas for those weirdo Christian derivation that have their own traditions

Or maybe Yule

[crisp heath]

if Imperium bad how though chaos badder?

[dapper gyro]

It is a spectrum.

[winter pine]

Da Red Gobbo

[late verge]

HURRAY

[rose thorn]

Murder (legal) vs murder (not legal)

“Our pillaging and wonton slaughter is moral and good while their pillaging and wonton slaughter is evil and cruel!”

[storm jungle]

LOL

[opaque coyote]

You see the difference is that

One worships a God who is an entity of the warp, extremely powerful, and forces their vision onto everyone else.

While the other worships a God who is an entity of the warp, extremely powerful, and forces their vision onto everyone else.

But now with four different flavors.

[misty vector]

Except chaos doesnt need to have faith in their gods, they have proof

[rose thorn]

I know Greyfox is hot but she ain’t a god

[rose thorn]

You know who else has proof

[celest dome]

Mortal Gods can have visible, and notable effects in 40k

[rose thorn]

PRAISE THE STAR CHILDREN

[opaque coyote]

Fun fact, we actually don't really have an official depiction of the Chaos Gods for 40k

[rose thorn]

This… isn’t even true anymore

[opaque coyote]

Although I think AoS has some

[rose thorn]

Yeah in AOS multiple people have gone and met the the chaos gods in books

[opaque coyote]

And usually AoS stuff is extrapolated to 40k

[storm jungle]

AoS + WHF

because they are better settings

[opaque coyote]

It is interesting that 40k has no depictions itself

Most are lifted from Fantasy and AoS

[rose thorn]

True

[opaque coyote]

Which I think is kind of a shame

Except for one

I'm not even sure if it fucking counts

[rose thorn]

There is a blades of khrone warband who vacations into the mortal realms to murder to take a break from murdering in the realm of chaos

[opaque coyote]

This is technically the first 40k specific depictions of the Chaos God officially

And it's in FUCKING CHRISTMAS BAUBLES

[rose thorn]

Aren’t these from the last 40K daemons codex

[opaque coyote]

I'm not sure. Maybe, but I don't think there's any greater daemons who look like that

[storm jungle]

its from tarot cards

those are exaggerated (lol) illustrations

[solid horizon]

I don't see malal there

[storm jungle]

hes been fired due to GW mandate

😔

(with no severance package)

[solid horizon]

Typical GW L

RIP Malal, you would've loved Iron Warriors

[opaque coyote]

I also think it's mentioned that the tarots shift depending on the warp

[celest dome]

The Tzeentch one suck

[opaque coyote]

In lore at least

[storm jungle]

yes

[solid horizon]

I always imagine gods would look like roided up versions of their large demons

[opaque coyote]

I actually kinda like how abstract they look

They look pretty neat all things considered

Especially Tzeentch

Who uh

Reminds me of like really old style medieval demon drawings

Stuff like this

[misty vector]

technically couldnt any depiction of tzeentch be considered canon since he is constantly changing

a monkey typewriter situation

[opaque coyote]

Khorne also fits and I like the idea of Nurgle actually being thinner looking (with the plague doctor mask too)

Like he represents the later stages of decay

Where the skin is dried out and even the maggots can't find any food anymore

All that's left is essentially a dry rotten husk

[opaque coyote]

True they constantly change and shifts

But I like even in-universe depictions

And it's probably why it's less detailed than the others and why he's an unnatural shape

[celest dome]

For a god of blood(shed), being a dried husk could fun

[opaque coyote]

True.

That could also work

Like that's why he's so thirsty for blood and skulls

Considering how Khorne warriors act. It makes sense if he's more like

A starving animal

Constantly hunting for food

Rather than a warrior king

Since Khorne generally represents more primal violence

It would make sense for him to be somewhat animalistic

Also considering they're from the tarot cards.

These are basically in-universe depictions of them

Can't exactly paint a constantly shifting formless creature

Gotta settle on a form

Although since they shift and change depending on the warp. I can imagine Tzeentch's card constantly animating

The "depiction" changing shape at random intervals

Either way, I like depictions of the Chaos Gods

[celest dome]

I remember a fan fiction that had each of the Chaos gods as a tree, each of them being fed, and feeding their domain.

[opaque coyote]

Even if they're canonically formless, we as human beings like to give things form

[opaque coyote]

So I like to think that they look different for every person

Since they're essentially living concepts

And concepts have a lot of interpretations

Tzeentch's domain being trickery and sorcery is similar to how some complicated tricks back then were commonly seen as sorcery/magic

His domain is the want to know and things generally being unknown

Either it's just a trick of the mind or it's actually magic

It doesn't matter anyways. It'll still kill you regardless.

[opaque coyote]

Interesting

I can't imagine Khorne being a tree though

I can imagine Nurgle for obvious reasons

Slaanesh and even Tzeentch on some level

But I have a trouble thinking of a violent fucking tree

[celest dome]

@arctic talon What's that burning tree you lot got from Australia ?

[opaque coyote]

Nurgle would be a rotted fallen tree.

Slaanesh would be one that's well pruned and beautiful.

Tzeentch would be a tree that's twisting and turning

[arctic talon]

Eucalyptus trees irl fucking explode when they catch fire

[celest dome]

Those would be some good violent trees

[arctic talon]

due to the oils in them

[opaque coyote]

I mean that would be funny as hell. But I generally don't think of Khorne as explosions.

More so the concept of like

Stabbing a person directly

I thought of that tree that poisons you. Also in Australia

No wait this time it isn't

It's in North and south America

The Manchieel tree

[celest dome]

The idea wasn't as much like that rather that the tree were the form their domain was, where they fed on the world, and then provided gifts like how trees get fruits

[opaque coyote]

Sounds more like Nurgle territory though

[opaque coyote]

That does sound interesting

[limpid granite]

nah

slaanesh would have a tree thats addictive

or the apple from the bible

[opaque coyote]

A peach tree 🍑

[opaque coyote]

I was thinking of a cherry tree tbh.

Beautiful when it blossoms but it's quite fleeting

[limpid granite]

a bit too on the nose

i think a tree that can turn into an obsession

[opaque coyote]

Like how the pleasures need to be subsumed by more

[opaque coyote]

Yeah which is why I thought of a beautiful one. Like one that's obsessively gardened and pruned

[limpid granite]

like taking care of a tree but slowly and slowly your skin turns to bark because of your obsession

[young pecan]

I feel like this one would he Tzeentchian since the fruit of the tree was just knowledge

[limpid granite]

thats more slaanesh

[opaque coyote]

True. It was knowledge of both good and bad

[celest dome]

Seeking knowledge is pretty more Tzeentchian though

[opaque coyote]

Since in the Bible once Adam ate it, he immediately began to become more aware

It's sort of an allegory for how humans one day developed consciousness

And suddenly understood good and bad

That's why Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden, which was filled with other animals. They were literally no longer in the "animal kingdom".

It fits Tzeentch

A bit on the nose but Tzeentch is also like that

[limpid granite]

imagine ahriman finally getting to the heart of the black library and opening the tome of secrets

[celest dome]

Tbh, the Snake could fit Tzeentch or Slaanesh

[limpid granite]

and its fucking empty

[opaque coyote]

Nah

What would make it worse?

Have it be a glossy page that acts as a mirror

"The answer is from yourself and yourself alone."

[limpid granite]

by the power of friendship ahriman reverted the spell

[vagrant fox]

old man willow

[opaque coyote]

It would both frustrate Ahriman but also would be sort of an explanation of his main flaw.

The fact that he's too much of a fucking asshole to ask help from anybody

[jade holly]

Ngl I’m kinda surprised Tzeentch isn’t more often depicted with Owl like traits

[young pecan]

I think it's so funny that the bible made seeking knowledge the original sin

It really speaks to what that religion has always been

[opaque coyote]

In fact, he's too arrogant to think that he got the solution for the flesh change to begin with

[limpid granite]

isnt it temptation

[opaque coyote]

If he had asked Magnus

Then he would've been like

"No don't do that you idiot"

Ahriman, Magnus, and the Emperor basically caused their fates by their mistakes

So I think it'd be a fitting punishment to have it be a mirror

[limpid granite]

tzeentch most likely knows the spell but doesnt give it so he can have ahriman on a short leash

[opaque coyote]

Literally encouraging self reflection

[limpid granite]

cause ahriman is already sort of independant from tzeentch

[opaque coyote]

Because Ahriman really needs it

[opaque coyote]

Tbf it's less that and more that

Now that Adam and Eve gained the knowledge of what's wrong and right

They now have additional responsibilities

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-flightreacts-twitch-kick-crazy-gif-4090492289322768290

[opaque coyote]

It's like getting kicked out of your home to go to college

Although tbf even what counts as the original sin

Depends on the demoniation

Because

Of fucking course it does

[jade holly]

You could argue the first sin was Lucifer and his pride

[opaque coyote]

But they do agree it's from Adam and Eve disobeying God

So it's less them gaining knowledge and more...

[jade holly]

Then again idk if Lucifer is mentioned in the Bible

[opaque coyote]

"Listen. Do not eat the fruit."

"Do not- you fucking ate the fruit didn't you "

"THIS IS LIKE THE ONE SINGULAR RULE I HAD!"

"WHAT THE FUCK?"

[young pecan]

It is 100% a punishment rather than more responsibility

[opaque coyote]

True

Either way original sin kinda comes from the disobeying part

[young pecan]

I think regardless of interpretation, Adam and Eve have no reason to be called guilty by any just and all-knowing being

[opaque coyote]

Although even what it is

It's uhh

somehow variable

Hell some version literally have the original sin just

Destroy all free will

Somehow

[young pecan]

They literally do not know right and wrong and only sought to enrich themselves with knowledge, which their god lied to them about

[jade holly]

What?

Bro what?

They ate from it because they were tempted to by the serpent

[young pecan]

• more of god being sexist LMAO

[storm jungle]

correct me if im wrong

isnt the entire thing of Adam and Eve being tricked because they are just extremely naive and ignorant

lol

[jade holly]

So bro’s just straight up insulting my religion got it

[young pecan]

Yeah, and the serpent tells them it opens their eyes which is enriching their knowledge

[jade holly]

Yes, the serpent takes advantage of them

But they were still given an order by God

[young pecan]

And god punishes them for something he orchestrated to happen and easily could have made not be that way

[storm jungle]

Okay then why did they trust the serpent

its a talking snake

[jade holly]

Temptation

[storm jungle]

also werent they told EXACTLY to not eat the apple

[opaque coyote]

It's also kinda unclear how sentient Adam and Eve were.

Either way I doubt that was the intention necessarily. Because the story is clearly allegorical and not meant to be taken that literally.

[storm jungle]

Its also important to remember

christianity/catholcism makes like the most "natural" enticing things be "evil"

its why succubus and incubi exist

"WATCH OUT THIS HOT BITCH WILL COME AND STEAL YOUR JIZZ"

Like okay pal

lmao

[young pecan]

More reason for me to call it backwater in the most respectable way I can contain myself to

[storm jungle]

same people who get mad beacuse an artist made a really sexy Lucifer statue

[opaque coyote]

Again I view it more as just the story of how humanity got kicked out of the "animal kingdom" in general. Since that's literally what happened.

As soon as they gained the knowledge of right and wrong. They became more aware than other animals and therefore didn't belong with animals.

[jade holly]

Tbf that makes sense

[storm jungle]

Id say some stuff but id get banned

[jade holly]

the statue I mean not the outrage

[storm jungle]

I mean does it

[young pecan]

Classic media illiteracy

[storm jungle]

satanism/lucifer etc are like

very much not relevant at all in this age lol

i remember watching that video and the entire comment section was

"Goddamn hes HOT"

[opaque coyote]

There's usually two depictions of demons.

Either as ugly

Or as beautiful

[jade holly]

Beautiful depictions I see them as the demon trying to be disarming and trustworthy to lure people in

[opaque coyote]

One leans more towards "I AM AN EVIL CREATURE THAT WANTS TO STEAL YOUR SOUL AND DAMN YOU FOR ETERNITY"

While the other is trying to deceive

Like you obviously aren't gonna trust something that looks like they got a car ran through their face

[jade holly]

Same way Sauron made himself look like the most flawless Elf to make them trust him

[opaque coyote]

And then got a botched nose job

I also think what's basically one of the biblical fanfictions... Paradise Lost

Had Lucifer embody both

Started off beautiful but the ending specifically had him as ugly

[jade holly]

Also quick fun fact

[opaque coyote]

Moral degeneration made into flesh

Wowzers

[jade holly]

Satan is a title not a name

It just means Adversary

[opaque coyote]

"Satan" was also depicted as a dragon

[jade holly]

Yep

[opaque coyote]

Which makes all of the slaying dragon stories make sense

[opaque coyote]

And it's also fucking funny that the only one that actually goes with this detail

Is fucking Hazbin Hotel

It's the only hell related media that isn't specifically from the Bible where Satan and Lucifer are different entities, and Satan is an actual dragon

[jade holly]

Wanna know another funny thing

A near perfect depiction of Satan can also be Maleficent

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I always figured that Maleficent was made to be a Satan analogue

I mean she's literally called

Maleficent

Bitch is fucking slaying in that outfit though

[jade holly]

She’ll always be peak Disney villain

Rip the animatronic tho

The big dragon animatronic in Fantasmic caught fire a few years back

[opaque coyote]

I also find it funny that the entire Sleeping Beauty story can be summarized as

"Female version of Satan gets ragebaited by a random girl's looks and puts her in a coma"

[limpid granite]

snow white ate and served so hard the devil died

[opaque coyote]

I keep mixing up sleeping beauty and snow white

Why

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/349377872240181248/1100215280187216013/95FE4B0F-115C-4C7D-90BC-56647BDE73C2.gif

[limpid granite]

sleeping beauty served so hard in her sleep an old woman died on the spot

[rocky gale]

Malificent is even more petty, she cursed Aurora because her parents didn't invite her to the Christening

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think she was explicitly an evil fairy

But given that she has devil horns

...

And turns into a dragon

[rocky gale]

Not inviting her was very rude

[opaque coyote]

She's definitely a demon instead

[jade holly]

Which annoys me how they tried making her an anti hero or something in the live action films

She’s the queen of evil

Let her revel in it

Pettiness and all

[opaque coyote]

I watched it

It was fine

But it wasn't good

I don't mind the idea of a traditionally evil villain being reworked to be more complicated

But also the fact that

Why did they choose maleficent

[jade holly]

I don’t either, but it’s Maleficent

You don’t do that with Maleficent

[rocky gale]

Pretty sure it's the same in the live action, she curses Aurora because she isn't invited, but there's also the added detail that Aurora's dad fucked Malificent over when she was young

[jade holly]

Her name is fucking Maleficent

[opaque coyote]

I think the story should've still ended with her death. Like it should've been a downward spiral

Like it should've been a story of somebody turning irreversibly evil

[limpid granite]

sometimes a villain doesnt need to be sympathetic

pure evil villains can be done well

[opaque coyote]

Starts out sympathetic but quickly down spirals

Until eventually her own actions does her in

And it's still fully deserved

That would've been a better interpretation at least

[limpid granite]

like the 1990 witches movie

[jade holly]

Judge Claude Frollo

[opaque coyote]

The play had him slightly more sympathetic only for that to be a lie.

And by slightly more, I mean he tried to pull the "You're one of the good ones" to Esmeralda.

He also tried to uh invite her for some special

"instruction"

[jade holly]

He was also Quasi’s actual uncle no?

[opaque coyote]

Basically it's less loud than the Disney version and more subtle

Yup

[jade holly]

And he did on some level actually care for Quasi

[opaque coyote]

I like both the play and movie version of Frollo

For entirely different reasons

[jade holly]

Also he was the actual Archdeacon

[cerulean trellis]

thats the cute version xD

[jade holly]

And not a judge

very big change

[cerulean trellis]

in the original german fairytale her father ripped off malificients wings

[opaque coyote]

The play version has him have a hint of good but it turns out to just be a mask to hide his hypocrisy.

It's more subtle

[cerulean trellis]

maleficient actually displays this

[opaque coyote]

While the Disney version has Frollo revel in his evil

And it's genuinely fun

I can't really choose one over the other tbh

Both do well

[jade holly]

I prefer the animated

For one specific reason

Hellfire

[opaque coyote]

Well that is interesting

I still think that her being an anti-hero is weird though

Should've been something similar to... God forgive me for this comparison

Breaking Bad

"AURORA WE NEED TO COOK-"

[jade holly]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-breaking-bad-gif-3809580435984736996

[cerulean trellis]

i agree, it does however depict better why she became evil

[rocky gale]

You know what, if they do a Hunchback live action I need Brian Cranston as Frolo

[opaque coyote]

But jokes aside, it starts off with Walter being sympathetic. But as the show goes on, he basically goes in a downward spiral that's entirely his fault

And I think a future Sleeping Beauty adaptation should go that route for maleficent

[rocky gale]

Na we won't get another Sleeping Beauty adaptation, Malificent made a morbillion dollars

It even got a sequel

[opaque coyote]

Aware

If there is one thing I can give Maleficent

[rocky gale]

and spawned a whole genre of Disney novels that did the same for all of the other Disney villains

[opaque coyote]

At least it actually tried something new

[jade holly]

Imagine Peter Cushing if he were still with us

[opaque coyote]

Like

[jade holly]

[opaque coyote]

At least it fucking tried

A majority of Disney live actions are literally just the animated but now it's creepy ass cgi

And "realistic"

At least Maleficent tried to have it's own unique spin

PoV and story

The bar is the same place as the OG's dead dragon body

But it's there

It at least was an attempt to try something new

Try something somewhat creative

Rather than

"Look it's fucking Simba but now a real lion!!"

[jade holly]

Look, It’s Dwayne fucking Johnson as a real person!!

[opaque coyote]

Disney should have never removed it's 2D animation department

That was the beginning of the fall

[rocky gale]

They tried to unionise, had to go

[jade holly]

They did Treasyre Planet and Atlantis so dirty

[opaque coyote]

"We removed our 2d animation department because we want our films to be profitable and be safe investment wise."

first 3D film was chicken little

[jade holly]

Don’t forget Dinosaur

[opaque coyote]

At least Meet the Robinsons was good

[rocky gale]

Dinosaur was peak

[jade holly]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-ready-princess-and-the-frog-dancing-performing-dance-gif-17896418

3d animation could never

[arctic talon]

good movie

[jade holly]

My favorite Disney movie

Love the soundtrack

[rocky gale]

The OG Jurasic Park man

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-facilier-death-dragging-gif-19270749

[young pecan]

ARE YA REAADY

[jade holly]

The stranger walking past the Warhammer store after we drag him in to ref our match

[opaque coyote]

I think the last Disney movie I liked was Coco

Coco was great

[young pecan]

Coco was the one about music and Dia De Muertos right

[opaque coyote]

Haven't heard if Zootopia 2 was good or not

Or anything really

[opaque coyote]

Yup

[young pecan]

NO MUSIC 🩴

[jade holly]

https://tenor.com/view/no-music-coco-mad-mama-coco-mad-no-music-coco-mad-gif-19170893

[arctic talon]

why is discord gif search ass now

did they switch away from tenor

ffs

[opaque coyote]

I mean my favorite gifs are still there

[young pecan]

I really liked the role model actually turning out to be a huge piece of shit

[opaque coyote]

So probably not?

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-meme-special-week-og-video-game-gif-13358567033749953467

[jade holly]

A twist villain that actually worked well

[opaque coyote]

I like how his logic was entirely consistent

And it wasn't a complete 180

So you could actually see how he could be villain rather than just

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-oguri-uma-musume-umamusume-squishy-gif-14372802265437813043

[opaque coyote]

Suddenly changing personalities for no reason

[arctic talon]

his personality remains consistent

big ego

[opaque coyote]

Like he always talked about snatching opportunities

[arctic talon]

big showmanship lol

[opaque coyote]

Also since it was revealed to the living world that he was a fraud

Being forgotten is how you get a second death essentially

[jade holly]

https://tenor.com/view/ernesto-de-la-cruz-ernesto-ernesto-run-ernesto-de-la-cruz-run-coco-gif-1066037265262195839

[opaque coyote]

So he will be eventually be forgotten

[jade holly]

I love the way he runs lmao

[opaque coyote]

But only after he gets remembered as a fraud

[opaque coyote]

Also the after credits scene shows he's still under a heavy bell

Nobody bothered to even jail him or whatever

[opaque coyote]

He's just stuck there until he eventually disappears due to being forgotten

If he ever gets forgotten

Because he will be remembered

As a fraud, liar, cheat, etc.

[jade holly]

I guess you could say we don’t need to ask for whom the bell tolls

[opaque coyote]

It's a fate worse than death.

... literally in this case

[opaque coyote]

Although I like how in general the guy even got away with it past his death

Like it's legitimately unfair that Hector died while his family thought he was a bum

And then he was abused even after he died

It's basically an analogue of how we can find out information about a person even after they die

That changes our entire perception of things

[young pecan]

I AM A LAMB AND A MAYOR OF ZOOTOPIA I WILL NOW MAKE THE PREDATORS FERAL

why did she do that again

[arctic talon]

she's racist

next question

[young pecan]

Oh yeah that was unironically why

[jade holly]

Get this Ubislop looking ahh UI thing outta mah face

[rocky gale]

Yea it's cliphy now or some shit

[arctic talon]

anyways that goofy space marine 2 models shoved into Endfield gives me hope a design similar to my favorite arknights operator can make it in bcs those models didn't have any clipping issues despite being so big and armored

[rocky gale]

Klipy

[arctic talon]

gimme Hypergryph

the Chinese century demands it

[arctic talon]

shame

[sacred ginkgo]

Why is it all 29

[arctic talon]

idk

maybe the person likes 29

[sacred ginkgo]

Its probably a reference to something I go outside too much to understand

[storm jungle]

thats map info not UI dingu

[rocky gale]

Everything on the screen is UI

[daring creek]

I actually read on the bus today.

I must've had such powerful aura..

[jade holly]

“Get in there”

[daring creek]

Remember guys

[jade holly]

Fucking explodes

[daring creek]

Batman doesn't kill people

[rocky gale]

Is surviving that better than dieing?

[daring creek]

😇

[jade holly]

Batman after he catches a jaywalker

[hollow lantern]

Nah that guy lived long enough to die in the ICU therefore batman did not kill him

[daring creek]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

non lethal gas explosion

[daring creek]

Get pollinated nerd

[rocky gale]

It's like Charles Guiteau, he shot President Garfield, who later died due to an infection caused by the bullet. So Guiteau pleaded guilty to shooting him, but innocent to killing him because it was his doctors fault.

[opaque coyote]

Honestly makes more sense judging by what was cut from the movie

[hollow lantern]

This is a very fun fact tbh

[opaque coyote]

Things like collars on the children of carnivores

[young pecan]

The polar bear birthday cut content was so heart wrenching

[opaque coyote]

Bell weather would've probably been more obvious if that remained

Instead of seemingly being racist for

Zero reason

[jade holly]

Wait what?

[young pecan]

I hate that they were too spineless to proceed with what could have been a very good media

[young pecan]

There was cut content, at least I'm pretty sure it was official, about a polar bear kid growing up on his birthday

Let me try to find it

[opaque coyote]

Like it's definitely a case of "Ah shit it doesn't make sense now that we cut it. Fuck we don't have any time anymore."

Like Bell weather makes so much more sense if things like the Polar bear cut content remained

[young pecan]

https://youtu.be/2DoJoNt_EGA?feature=shared

[arctic talon]

tbf

[young pecan]

Yeah LMAO

[arctic talon]

this was from a different draft of the movie

iirc

[young pecan]

Many such cases with cut content sadly

[opaque coyote]

Yup.

Bell weather makes more sense in contexts of previous drafts

Rather than the release

"Why is she racist?"

"Because there's obviously societal mistreatment of a specific type of people that would lead to that conclusion."

Rather than someone using the night howler flowers in an attempt to create racism

It would be a symptom of a larger problem

Instead of a power play. It would be a severely misguided attempt to make people see what she views as a threat

To "make them understand"

Although I get why they went to the power direction

Since many politicians started racism towards a specific group for power

How do you justify slavery to people who are uncomfortable at owning another human being?

Just make them think they're not human

[arctic talon]

Yes

Now get in the mines

[daring creek]

Sometimes I get to points where it's difficult to see people who think this way as human.

And yes while that's Ironic

it's just.

It's astounding really.

Just how do you see another being in our current era, grow up in our "1st world" country and just be that way?

Then outright refuse to see otherwise

The concept of nuance has been weaponized to obscure truth

[opaque coyote]

Because X reason, because Y

[daring creek]

I despise it every moment

[opaque coyote]

Sometimes they've never done anything wrong to that person

But it's the people around them that tell them to hate

So they hate

[daring creek]

yeah I know it's just a lot to process

[opaque coyote]

And that's exactly how they get people.

It's hard to think nuance

Just don't

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867937610977411122/1463024369256239104/Dude...._fuck_yes..gif

[daring creek]

they just use "well not everything is true" when its most convenient for them

its shit my father loves to do

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's annoying

But my conclusion is that if it wants me to hurt someone for zero direct provocation

Then it's bullshit

[daring creek]

It's certainly like

an experience to read the news paper and see "trans shooter"

[young pecan]

Never "a white shooter", just "a shooter"
meanwhile always "a black/gay/trans/etc. shooter", but never just "a shooter"

[daring creek]

Thats what I noticed immediately

[young pecan]

Dogwhistle moment

[daring creek]

remember the guy who supposedly had a trans girlfriend

like

if she was real

you're supposed to keep their identity A FUCKING SECRET.

thats the whole point of anonymity

[young pecan]

Well unless they've fully come out but yk that's rare

[daring creek]

you dont tell an anonymous persons skin color

[young pecan]

OH you mean saying "trans"

[daring creek]

you dont tell if they wear glasses

That girlfriend 10000000% is fabricated bullshit

[young pecan]

He was a registered republican and even if he wasn't he was based as f- (slumps over)

[daring creek]

it just annoys me that theres more than a minority of people out there not biting onto that immediately

[lament shoal]

Can we make this but its a darktide objective meter instead or something lol

[storm jungle]

LOL

[late verge]

Tbh I think custodes would be moving so fast they would look kinda like little songbirds where theyre always moving but their movements are so fast that they look like theyre running at like 5 frames per second

[arctic talon]

That’s harlequins

They literally have an after image

[daring creek]

@storm jungle he doesnt have cancer

tis a sad day

[crisp heath]

Pretty sure the guy who made this video used AI for that

I must be confusing him with someone else tho

[heady rivet]

My friends and I are 2/3rds through Mulan and I am once again saying we need Warhammer to become MORE Chinese

COURT EUNUCHS ON TERRA NOW

[outer wave]

More Chinese themed stuff in 40k would be rad

[heady rivet]

Its Chinese New Year so my copium is we get Chinese drip somehow

Make it up Fatshark i dont care

Lamellar flak armor PLEASE

[heady rivet]

Which I'm gonna get a comm of one day

[crisp heath]

Something I did on photoshop for the shits n giggle
just cropped some other night lord gear into him

for reference this is the original pic

[outer wave]

He bled hyper realistic blood out on me....

[crisp heath]

if it came from his eyes it's not blood...

[outer wave]

Coom....

[crisp heath]

acid coom...

[outer wave]

The worst kinda coom....

[lament shoal]

Reminds me of the olympic cheating scandal that's happening rn

Athletes in the ski jump event were injecting hyaluronic acid into their genitals in order to increase the size of the crotch area of their suits, because having larger suits offers better aerodynamics

💀

[opaque coyote]

"Brothers please fucking help I can't see"

Also Sonic.exe looking ahh

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-gif-5945257764045339613

Wrong exe

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-exe-sonic-exe-evil-sonic-i-am-god-gif-15530791193978728670

Yeah there we go

This fucking guy

also

[lament shoal]

Curie is such a baddie fr

[daring creek]

omg my crush!!! 😍

[forest moat]

Had some helldivers fans telling me 4 helldivers could kill a marine

And they started calling me biased when I said it would require at least 20 for one marine which is honestly fair asf

[dark moon]

The average Helldiver fans are not known for their critical thinking skills.

[forest moat]

I was being fair bro cause I’m a big fan of both but I asked it in a helldivers chat so I shoulda knew it wouldn’t be a even convo

[arctic talon]

One with a thermite if they’re lucky

[forest moat]

At the start of it I said no self sacrifice allowed

[arctic talon]

Anyways I hate power scaling between shit

So I’m out

[forest moat]

Because if you allow self sacrifice the helldivers would just blow themselves up

[forest moat]

It wasn’t even really a power scaling convo I was just tryna shoot the shit in general chat really

But people always get defensive behind their fandoms

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[lament shoal]

They're literally just regular humans bruh 😭

[forest moat]

Yes dude and I wasn’t even on some power scaling shit

[lament shoal]

Helldivers fans try not to glaze evil fascists challenge

[forest moat]

Like I was just asking to see the vibes

Even if we glaze them and consider them better than all guardsmen they still would need at least twenty to kill one in my honest opinion @lament shoal

[lament shoal]

Yeah fr

[forest moat]

And they started mentioning stratagems like the marine is just gonna sit there and let a orbital laser hit him

At that point I just had to be quiet

[lament shoal]

Also with how helldivers have a habit of dying in really stupid ways, I don't have high hopes for them in an encounter against a marine lol

[forest moat]

And like I said when I first asked the question I said no self sacrifice allowed lol

And I asked how many it would take to beat a blood angel

I didn’t even mention if they would be enraged lol I was giving the helldivers every buff I could and they still said I was biased

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I think that technically they could depending on the distance

Also depends on if you include stratagems

But I assume not because that's unfair

[forest moat]

I’d like to hear it I’m not biased

[lament shoal]

This is the case with both 40k and helldivers, but from what I've seen helldivers fans are way more annoying and aggressive about it. And that's saying a lot, given how some people in the 40k community are

[forest moat]

No, I let them let the helldivers use them in this scenario

My situation was how many helldivers does it take to beat one standard blood angel

[opaque coyote]

Yeah Space Marines wouldn't do well against space artillery

They would be fucked

[forest moat]

My say would be about twenty and it enraged them all

I play helldivers everyday bro, if I was a MARINE in those situations it’s a cakewalk

But I don’t wanna shit on people’s fandoms

[opaque coyote]

So if you include stratagems that are like Orbital strikes and shit

A space marine would be cooked

[lament shoal]

Like trell said earlier, they wouldn't stand around waiting for it to hit them though. They could likely cover enough ground to get outta the radius thanks to their enhancements too

[forest moat]

Is the marine glued to the ground

[opaque coyote]

True, depends on how big the radius is

And more importantly how canonical the stratagem distance is

Like is the strike small for gameplay purposes

[forest moat]

The marine would be running at them at Mach ten while they call in stratagems and support weapons

[opaque coyote]

True but three could distract the SM while one could call it in

Emphasis on distract

[forest moat]

A marine can run at 60 miles per hour most enemies a diver face are docile in comparison

[opaque coyote]

Some are also wider in area

[forest moat]

As as for the rail cannons and railguns helldivers use, well like I told them see the tau

[opaque coyote]

And some are homing

Like the Orbital Rail cannon is actually homing

[forest moat]

For how long until they are just dead absolutely glazing them to the maximum

[opaque coyote]

The SM could dodge out of the way though so I'm not too sure

[opaque coyote]

Heavily depends.

[forest moat]

This is the kinda convo I was having with them laati and it started making them mad

[opaque coyote]

Since like... Helldivers vary in competency

[forest moat]

Like I was just legit asking questions being objective

It’s not like I don’t like both of them

[opaque coyote]

Helldivers fans moment

[opaque coyote]

But yeah Helldivers vary heavily

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-dante-dmc-dante-devil-may-cry-devil-may-cry-dmc-gif-292944903311325271

[opaque coyote]

But generally if we treat them similar to guardsmen. Probably enough to call it in

[forest moat]

I think most people are arguing in the point of their own personal diver and that’s where it gets personal

[opaque coyote]

At least

[forest moat]

I look at my own diver as elite but bruh he isn’t doing shit with a marine

[opaque coyote]

Although maybe the one who called it in might be dead

By the time he is, the strike would already be dropping

But there's still a chance he could live

[forest moat]

And then there comes the question

Are orbitals and things of the such even able to penetrate marine armor

[opaque coyote]

Yes

[forest moat]

That’s a whole other can of worms

And I didn’t even mention it

Cause then they would prolly explode

[opaque coyote]

Like I would say yes since Space Marines can technically still die to Lasgun fire

It's very rare

But it can happen because there's weak spots on the armor

[forest moat]

All that stratagem talk is cool until the marine has one of these bad boys

[opaque coyote]

And that's also why any SM veteran generally never charges full throttle towards a bunch of people with lasguns

Because Lasguns can actually kill them

[lament shoal]

Ceramite armor works very well against small arms to heavy infantry fire. Against large artillery tho, the marine doesn't have as much of a high chance of survival

[opaque coyote]

It's rare but not impossible

[opaque coyote]

Generally, unless if they're helmet less, they will die to artillery

[arctic talon]

Massed fire kills marines a lot

Lol

Armor will buckle and break

[forest moat]

Like there’s so many things that would just fuck the divers immediately in my opinion that’s why I said a blood angel or I was gonna say just a standard ultra marine

There is no situation where they beat a death guard

[opaque coyote]

Also, Space Marines can die to plasma

[lament shoal]

Oh ik, but if they're quick enough to get outta the line of fire they can definitely tank a few shots from a volley before they reach safety, assuming none of the shots hit any un armored points

[forest moat]

Very true and divers got plasma

[opaque coyote]

So any plasma weapon could kill them

They just gotta hit em once

[forest moat]

But the thing is what level of technology is that exactly that’s what I was arguing by showing them the tau laati

It may the same idea in theory but much weaker

But I can’t necessarily call that

[lament shoal]

Tau railguns are very effective against marines, and most heavily armored units too

[opaque coyote]

Hm true. But generally plasma weapons can kill Automatons like... this

So I would safely assume they can penetrate armor

[forest moat]

Do you think this would be a threat to any manner of marine

But this is where the convo bridges into power scaling and I didn’t want that lol

It was meant to be a fun question and they lost sight of that

[opaque coyote]

But yeah in general.

If it can melt through steel easily. It can probably go through ceramite

Might be a bit harder but like

Eh

They aren't made out of circuits and wires

[forest moat]

It’s just hard for me to believe four is enough

[opaque coyote]

The four would have to have plasma and the aim of their life

[lament shoal]

Divers would be pretty cooked against tryanids tbh

[opaque coyote]

But it can be done

[forest moat]

I’ve killed this enemy many times as a helldiver in Melee, if a helldiver can do that a marine would kill it with his pinky

These are the things I think about when I consider that question

[opaque coyote]

Again, ability is when it becomes questionable since technically I could say that a Helldiver could be really skilled

Or the Marine could just be an idiot since that does happen

[forest moat]

Exactly bro, you drop a singular marine into a helldiver d10 (hardest difficulty) the job is done in minutes

[opaque coyote]

A surprising amount of times

One sm literally died to a guy throwing a wooden spear to his neck

Cause he decided to take off his helmet

Bro thought he was a protag 💀

[forest moat]

Average helldiver lifespan is approximately two minutes

An elite helldiver has what? A month of constant battle experience

Before expiration

[opaque coyote]

In general I would treat them the same as guardsman in this regard

So it would be equivalent to "4 guard vs 1 sm"

[lament shoal]

There's a reason why divers who survive even a single engagement get their own warship lmao

[forest moat]

To be fairer to them I said let’s assume helldivers are better than ALL guardsmen

[lament shoal]

They're not expected to survive

[forest moat]

Because otherwise I just don’t see them winning bro

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I expect them to be scion level?

Who are elite guardsmen.

Although guardsmen are technically elite also

Elite like stormtroopers

...so enhanced fodder

[forest moat]

Lucifer blacks

They are so elite the emperor used to let them guard him

[opaque coyote]

Eh might be too far

[forest moat]

Emperor wouldn’t shit on a helldiver but to glaze them I still said let’s assume helldivers are better

[opaque coyote]

I would put them around Scion level or Veteran Guardsman

But yeah realistically a human can kill an SM

If they have explosives

Plasma

[heady rivet]

Most overhyped and glazed regiment in history when their lore is "Stood around"

[forest moat]

Lmaooo

I’m just throwing some shit out there fast but my point was

[opaque coyote]

But it's hard to deduce if an SM will let them

[forest moat]

Helldivers not even better than most guardsmen

[opaque coyote]

War in general is also heavily dependent on luck

You can be the most skilled individual ever

And then die cause some random child soldier with a shitty AK got a lucky shot in

[heady rivet]

Volume of fire and fighting unfair also. As Cadia shows, 1000 lasguns embedded with artillery and special weapons like plasma and meltas can mince Black Legion. Even Morrow has a Khornate berserker kill under his belt, at least one

[forest moat]

It should just be obvious with how skewed the battle is anyway I’m giving the divers a full complement from super destroyer and their whole armory to see how many for one marine lmao

[lament shoal]

A helldiver would NOT survive the streets of necromunda 😭🙏

[forest moat]

Like I said before even just giving the marine a simple iron halo heavily weighs the battle in their favor so it’s like

[heady rivet]

The beat cops are issued bolters they aint ready for the mugger with a Grav pistol

[heady rivet]

SOVL

Hype for expeditions

[hollow lantern]

I still can't believe how cool they made VS look

[heady rivet]

Place your bets, what rotation of cosmetics are we getting when this + Admech class drops

[opaque coyote]

But generally I will conclude that.

If Helldivers call in artillery stratagems, they will win. Might be wiped out but they will win.

If they call in something like an anti tank missile launcher. They'll probably die if they called it in as soon as they notice an SM.

If they got one beforehand, they will be likely to win. But this depends on what they call in.

If all four got plasma. I assume it would be T'au level so they'll probably win.

But anything besides that? Guaranteed wipe

[lament shoal]

'luv me clan-house

'luv me crime

'ate the Palatine Enforcers

Simple as

[forest moat]

Wow so you think 4 get it done as well

[opaque coyote]

Heavily depends on circumstances

And weapons

[forest moat]

I feel you

[opaque coyote]

If it's the ordinary loadout

Nah they're fucked

[heady rivet]

Necromunda is the rare case of the minis matching the art 1:1. If I didn t have a huge pile of shame, VS would be my 3rd gang one day

[opaque coyote]

They need heavy weaponry basically

And even then they can still fuck it up

[forest moat]

Which i give them

I give them every buff they could possibly have in the situation

[opaque coyote]

SMs also generally aren't stupid.

[forest moat]

It’s not fair in my opinion otherwise

Exactly

[hollow lantern]

VS are my gang

[opaque coyote]

...generally

[hollow lantern]

Debated Delaque as a secondary

[forest moat]

And in my case I said it would be a blood angel I didn’t really specify a chapter

But they also would not go into rage just a regular angel

[heady rivet]

I have Palanite Enforcers painted in VS colors, unfinished project though because Enforcers keep getting loved

[opaque coyote]

Generally, the SM would likely notice before they do.

[forest moat]

But the thing is we haven’t even considered the blood angels skill in combat but it goes without saying

[opaque coyote]

So if it's a situation where both start off hidden

likely the helldivers would die

[forest moat]

Imagine they had to fight a raptor

[opaque coyote]

sniped by something they can't see

[forest moat]

Bro would kill them like a super Rambo

[opaque coyote]

nah they're cooked unless if they got a lucky shot

[lament shoal]

Yeah the chapter they're fighting will definitely change things

[forest moat]

Exactly bro

It has to be one of the most normal ones

No mutations

[heady rivet]

Speaking of Blood Angels and Necromunda shoutout to Vandoth

[opaque coyote]

tbf even a normal chapter is still extremely competent

[lament shoal]

I don't think a squad of divers is gonna be prepared for an army of space mongolians on motorcycles speeding towards them and laughing lmao

[hollow lantern]

I really need to finish painting my VS, no munda league near me was.demotivating

[forest moat]

Yeah but like if it’s a raven guard or some shit it’s gonna become a convo of like some kinda weird metal gear solid situation

[heady rivet]

I need to remotivate myself as well

[opaque coyote]

cooked

no shot

you gonna try to fight something you can't see?

[lament shoal]

Rg marines can literally phase in and out of shadows bruh

[forest moat]

Exactly like a ultramarine and blood angel wouldn’t go deep into their bag of tactics for them I believe them would fight them more head on

[lament shoal]

The divers would get picked off one by one

[forest moat]

That’s why I went with the chapter I did that was a lane I didn’t wanna go down cause they would never win

And then I’d look REALLY biased

[lament shoal]

Yeah makes sense

[forest moat]

Hell is the helldiver gonna do when this fella is coming out of his shadow

[sacred ginkgo]

Panic recoilless to the chest and send them back to the warp

[dapper gyro]

The infiltration aspect of the RG is overstated.

[forest moat]

All in all that was a very good objective convo my whole goal of asking the question originally

[hollow lantern]

Transhuman Dread exists

Idk if you wanna apply that here or not

[opaque coyote]

depends on the helldiver tbh

[forest moat]

Now, how many rejects to kill one marine 😂

[opaque coyote]

again mfs who survived shit like the creek will probably not care

[forest moat]

I didn’t mention things like this because they were already calling me biased and a redditor

[hollow lantern]

Well

[lament shoal]

They'd probably have a good chance to take one out if they had prior intel that they'd be encountering one

[hollow lantern]

Powerscaling space marines and helldivers is pretty reddit tier behavior all around tbh

[lament shoal]

Prep time and all that

[forest moat]

Gonna delete that momentarily

But as you guys saw I was chilling

[dapper gyro]

Depending on what kind of weaponry you bring to the table.

[lament shoal]

Guardsmen have NOT solo'd helbrutes bruh what is that guy on?? 😭

[forest moat]

I give the helldivers the best shit and the marine nothing basically

[dapper gyro]

If you have a rocket launcher, the SM wouldn't survive a direct hit.

[forest moat]

He still mentioned a example of self sacrifice which I said is not allowed but I let him cook

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/wRl_8bCeJLc?t=86

[forest moat]

I just wanted to ask a fun question ngl didn’t expect people to get so mad

[dapper gyro]

A dreadnaught wouldn't survive a 120mm APFSDS shot from a modern tank.

[hollow lantern]

You're asking a bunch of autistics about Their Favorite Supersoldier

[forest moat]

I seen a bunch of Warhammer fans in chat

So I was thinking like

This is the right time to ask

[hollow lantern]

Non derogatory

[forest moat]

My thing is bro I like both of them as well but you have to be objective

[shadow plover]

Probably referring to the instance where Gaunt's Ghosts destroyed a (blinded) chaos dreadnought through guile and well timed explosions iirc

[opaque coyote]

You see

[dapper gyro]

I'm autistic about war equipment.

[opaque coyote]

the problem is that you're trying to be reasonable

[forest moat]

And even if you don’t wanna fine, like laati said she thinks four win in most situations, they said the same thing, you don’t see me being rude to laati

[opaque coyote]

when you're supposed to always support the agenda

[forest moat]

That is what they fail to realize I just wanted to yap basically

[forest moat]

And you see I did not realize that

[lament shoal]

Yeah that doesn't count as soloing at all. That's using coordinated tactics in a group. Plus Gaunt's Ghosts are pretty skilled. But the average guardsman is getting turned into fucking paste by one of these things

[jade holly]

What if we gave one a plasma gun

[shadow plover]

Well yes, they're exaggerating

[forest moat]

They already have plasma

But my thing is I don’t think it’s as advanced as tau

[jade holly]

The Guardsman

[forest moat]

Ohhhh

[jade holly]

Plasma Guns are basically cheating

[dapper gyro]

Having weapons that can disable the thing is one thing.

Getting close enough to use the weapon is another.

[opaque coyote]

I think Imperium Plasma guns are more powerful than Tau

But also way more unreliable

[lament shoal]

Doesn't account for absurd amounts of chaos roids these things are on. Killing one takes a whole effort for space marines enough as is

[jade holly]

It’s what I call Volatile

High highs, very low lows

[dapper gyro]

TOW missile can kill most modern tanks in 1 hit. But it just doesn't have the range vs a tank.

[jade holly]

The low in this case is blowing yourself up

Lmao

[opaque coyote]

CHAOS IS ONE HELLUVA DRUG

[jade holly]

I’m guessing if I want a Plasma Gun heavy Space Marine army the DA would be the way to go?

or do IH use a lot of Plasma Guns too?

[opaque coyote]

in terms of tanking shots?

[dapper gyro]

DA, BA, Sally

[opaque coyote]

yeah the DA generally don't care about that

well they do but they would tank multiple before going down

[jade holly]

A slaaneshi daemon gave me this random pile of dust they called “Rubric”. I can now smell the Big Bang and see the Scream of the Warp

[opaque coyote]

You hear the cries of somebody

[jade holly]

Lore accuracy

[opaque coyote]

"WHERE THE FUCK IS BOB?"

"WHO THE FUCK TOOK BOB?"

[jade holly]

https://tenor.com/view/raz-raz-psychonauts-raz-psychonauts-2-psychonauts-psychonauts-2-gif-7905173411294874651

[forest moat]

Nobody ever notices the meaning of my arbitrators name and it makes me sad