40k-lore-chat

[celest dome]

I honestly do hope they do a LoV dlc campaign

[jade holly]

Commander Shadowsun why are we going to this destination?

For the Greater Good

Meanwhile Szeras treats the word “soul” as a slur

[vagrant fox]

oops

[limpid granite]

Except for cawl

[opaque coyote]

Necron tech is basically superior to everybody else's

[limpid granite]

If anyone but him got the order for primaris they wouldve spent 10k years debating eachother on who gets to make them

[jade holly]

Yeah and the most broken stuff got locked away or destroyed

[opaque coyote]

Yeah he's an exception to the rule

[jade holly]

What is considered the tech tierlist for 40K?

I always saw Necrons at the top and Orks at the bottom

[storm jungle]

Necrons > Eldar > Votann > Tau > Imperium

[jade holly]

It was always:
Necrons > Eldar > Votann > Tau > Chaos > Imeprium > Orcs

Then the Tyranids I guess cause they use bio-organic stuff over actual tech

[limpid granite]

I wouldnt call chaos tech better in any capacity

Dark mechanicus just do vibe based engineering

[jade holly]

Not the Zazza engineers

[celest dome]

It's like Skaven having better tech than the Dwarf.
Yes they do, but at the same time they don't.

[opaque coyote]

1. Necrons and Pre-fall Eldar
2. Dark Eldar
3. Craftworlders
4. Votann
5. T'au
6. Imperium
7. Chaos (most are derived from Imperium)
8. Exodites

Orks entirely depends on who they're fighting.

Depending on the technology level, they'll match them

[celest dome]

That's somewhat wrong tbh

[limpid granite]

Also chaos still uses pre primaris tech

[opaque coyote]

Tbf some of it is better

But in general it's like comparing

Windows 10 and windows 11.

[limpid granite]

Experimental would be a better word

[opaque coyote]

They basically are the same for all purposes

Although some Chaos tech is from the HH

Which is generally better

Minus some areas

[solid horizon]

Chaos has occult tech

which is dope

[opaque coyote]

But in general Chaos is

"Whatever the fuck we have"

• daemons shoved into the machine spirit's ass

[vagrant fox]

Sure they can make a superior skin harvester on paper but can they actually make it

[storm jungle]

Elon Musk ahh line

[opaque coyote]

Dark Mechanicum:

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-building-falling-gif-25773500

[limpid granite]

The floating planks is especially accurate

[vagrant fox]

I receive my inspiration from only the finest of minds

[daring creek]

Eldar musk

[jade holly]

Elon Musk with a Craftworld…

eugh…

[opaque coyote]

Let's not kid ourselves

[daring creek]

Can you imagine being the richest man in the world and still unhappy

[opaque coyote]

He'd be a Dark Eldar

[storm jungle]

has more like an admech Magos

lol

"We should enslave the human race."

"I need factories run stat."

[vagrant fox]

This is very good

[jade holly]

Elon looking at his new intern

“Alright pre robot here’s the deal”

[daring creek]

He wouldn't say that he'd use some roundabout language to sell a product

[storm jungle]

Reminder that he literally suggested indentured servitude (contractual slavery) for people that could not afford to live on Mars once they made it there

[daring creek]

Dude is hardly a person

[daring creek]

[jade holly]

Haven’t even colonized it yet and we’re already breaking laws

[storm jungle]

Correct.

And people would still not care lol

[solid horizon]

Arch Magos Musk

[vagrant fox]

I used to watch some dorkass youtuber who was all giddy he'd signed up for that contract or whatever it was

or wanted to sign up for it

[opaque coyote]

I remember a scifi comic all about that scenario

Lemme find the link to it

[daring creek]

Tbh

It'd be great if musk went to mars

[opaque coyote]

https://www.badspacecomics.com/post/free-mars

[daring creek]

The ocean already took some

Let the outer void take the rest

[vagrant fox]

Seems about right for the kind of people he'd send

[opaque coyote]

Bad Space Comics are pretty fun

Ironic given the title but it's generally just exploring short scifi concepts like

Old pulp scifi magazines

[daring creek]

Holyshit that ending

Jesus christ lmao

[jade holly]

I never knew Red Faction Guerilla was gonna happen cause of Musk

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

The only thing that's unrealistic is two things

[daring creek]

wake up sheeple

[opaque coyote]

A) NASA would 100% try a rescue mission

Despite how stupid they are as people

B) they lasted one Martian year

[daring creek]

That's an insanely terrifying way to go out

[opaque coyote]

Yup.

I also like the detail of the flag waving in the air

And the person being stupid enough to be confused

Mars has winds and an atmosphere ofc the flag would wave

Although both the winds and atmosphere are much weaker than Earth

[jade holly]

I mean when you’re on a planet with no contact to HQ and you start going a bit delirious you’d start second guessing things

[opaque coyote]

True but like

Let's not give them the full benefit of the doubt

I do think a movie about this would be a nice dark comedy tbh

A bunch of really stupid people being sent out for a Mars mission

Die horrifically due to incompetency

[daring creek]

Black mirror episode

Except its fucking the rich not the poor

[jade holly]

Final guy treks out on his own, trips on space and cracks his spacesuit’s visor

[opaque coyote]

Actually I can imagine it like this

NASA lands ready to save the last person alive

[daring creek]

Now that you mention it. It's always the richest pricks peddling conspiracies like vaccines not being real

[opaque coyote]

The ship lands

Part of the movie is spent on the difficulty NASA spent to make a rescue

...

And then the "astronaut" fucking trips and dies due to the visor being cracked

[daring creek]

Sheesh.

[opaque coyote]

THE END!

[daring creek]

Id like to think that comic is more of a parody than anything

But

Parody is slowly becoming a reality

[opaque coyote]

It mostly is because astronauts have to take a hard physical and scientific test

If you fail even a bit

[daring creek]

💀

[opaque coyote]

You ain't getting in

So if you're an antivaxxer you'd likely fail

Cause you need all your vaccinations

Of course who knows how stupid we'd get but ATM

Astronaut requirements are really high for a really good reason

[daring creek]

Yeah but I wanna go into outer space

[opaque coyote]

You also need a high tolerance for not being bored

Because you're probably gonna be spending weeks in space

And despite space being cool

It'd probably be boring as fuck after a bit

[daring creek]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

With NO INTERNET!!!

[daring creek]

With

[opaque coyote]

Despite being next to a satellite...

[daring creek]

No internet

Im cooked

I can always bring a book right

[opaque coyote]

Yeah, movies too

But generally you have to last for months in an enclosed space

With whatever entertainment you CAN bring

[daring creek]

https://tenor.com/view/iss-space-international-space-station-gorilla-suit-gif-15867542

[opaque coyote]

Also moving like that

[jade holly]

What movie you wanna watch?

Hey you know that film of the astronaut woman getting disconnected from the shuttle during a spacewalk and flung into space?

[opaque coyote]

Honestly one of my favorite scifi books/films in general is

The Martian

[daring creek]

Im pretty sure that guy snuck a gorilla suit on board

Lmfaooooo

[plush mason]

who was the first primarch to join Horus?

[daring creek]

Guy fucking swims off

[opaque coyote]

Really scientifically accurate despite it being written in 2011.

A couple of things are inaccurate. Like the "Martian storm" wouldn't be turbulent enough to cause parts to fly

[jade holly]

Lorgar probably

Actually no Lorgar was before Horus

[opaque coyote]

But besides that, it's generally really accurate

Even things like planting stuff on the Martian soil

And how potatoes are the best singular food to sustain yourself

[plush mason]

yeah

[opaque coyote]

Which would be harmful

[jade holly]

I wanna say Perturabo but idk

[opaque coyote]

But only within like 5 years of constant eating

[rigid dune]

Does candy exist in the imperium?

[opaque coyote]

But the book has the guy escape before that

[opaque coyote]

Most modern foods exist in some form in general ysah

[celest dome]

Is Crack candy

[opaque coyote]

...in a form

[opaque coyote]

I unironically sniffed pixie dust once as a kid

I think you can tell

[rigid dune]

So if corpse starch or protin slop is what you eat, what would be considered candy?

[jade holly]

I’m surprised Warhammer doesn’t have some sort of sentient black hole that actively hunts stuff down unless there is one and I don’t know about it

[opaque coyote]

...actual candy

[celest dome]

I honestly wouldn't have been surprised if Missus had said that

[opaque coyote]

It was only one time

Tbf

When I was like 7

I was a weird kid

[vagrant fox]

The Captive Abyss

[opaque coyote]

I did also feel more active

Like it was crack (but not really)

Probably because pixie sticks are basically pure sugar

[celest dome]

I mean, PCP at age 7 is worrysome

[celest dome]

Void stars ?

[opaque coyote]

For reference it's these fucking things

[celest dome]

Oh, ok

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I snorted some

[jade holly]

Not the first time I’ve seen a Black hole shoved into a weapon lmao. Monorail my beloved

[opaque coyote]

Idk how much

[celest dome]

So not the PCP slang term Pixie Dust

[opaque coyote]

No

[celest dome]

that's so much different

[opaque coyote]

Pixie sticks

Which

Isn't much better in name

Also I usually call them Pixie Dust

[opaque coyote]

Also isn't that Angel Dust?

Insert Hazbin Hotel here

But yeah I thought the slang term for cocaine is angel dust

[winter pine]

I've only ever heard coke as the main nickname for cocaine tbqh

[opaque coyote]

Oh no wait angel dust is for pcp

[winter pine]

Colombian Booger Sugar was a funny one I heard from someone covering Nick Rekieta's downfall though

[jade holly]

Man my phone really doesn’t like opening up the Lexicanum

[opaque coyote]

Why did I mistake pcp for cocaine

[wintry cloud]

My baby

Make way for the strongest.

[opaque coyote]

I don't do drugs

[wintry cloud]

Is here

[opaque coyote]

So

[celest dome]

I've seen both

[opaque coyote]

I just realized that he has a

Really long beard

[jade holly]

Why does the Lexicanum take forever for my phone to open?

This is starting to worry me

[opaque coyote]

I forgot which culture was it

But I remember distinctly that long beards = how powerful you are as a warrior

[wintry cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/skarbrand-warhammer-total-war-chaos-gif-4042499340997426989

A beard indeed

[opaque coyote]

Because it means you lasted long enough in battle to grow one

[jade holly]

Does the Lexicanum take forever for y’all to open up too?

[wintry cloud]

On my phone yeah

Bar wont move

Oh it finished now

[vagrant fox]

Lexicanum was down earlier today for me

[opaque coyote]

This is sort of related but not really

Apparently during the medieval period, a beard for a knight was a sign of virility and honor

Culturally having a beard cut = castration

[daring creek]

This is why fanwiki is better..

[storm jungle]

State-mandated execution worthy statement........

[daring creek]

I shall be a martyr

[storm jungle]

yeah

a martyr for uhhh

idk being a nerd

https://klipy.com/gifs/noahnoah

[opaque coyote]

Death

[daring creek]

https://tenor.com/view/skol-arrows-rain-gif-13358335

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/miku-punch-mikupunch-anime-anime-plush-gif-22865786

[daring creek]

Me after speaking trvth

Also

Why wont it embed

Stupid discordmmm

[daring creek]

Why did you post a panda

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-spinning-spinning-panda-giant-panda-cute-panda-gif-4148261905191282079

[daring creek]

Lazy ass bear

[vagrant fox]

'ate pandas, nasty little propaganda goblins

[opaque coyote]

Pandas turning around to see a zookeeper

[fervent geode]

These pandas are up to something just you wait and see

[opaque coyote]

"WHY DON'T YOU FUCK ALREADY??"

[humble shoal]

Reject pandas, embrace sunbears

[opaque coyote]

"YOUR SPECIES IS DYING FUCK NOW!!!"

[daring creek]

Shinzo abe statement

[fervent geode]

Yessir 🫡

[opaque coyote]

Thank fuck Abe died

Honestly it says a lot that people celebrated when he got shot

[daring creek]

Fun fact shinzo abe was apart of the moonies

[vagrant fox]

How could you hate him

[opaque coyote]

Mainly due to cult connections

[daring creek]

The Killers Mother was a cult member since he was young. Leading her to put her finances towards donating to the cult and neglecting her son

[opaque coyote]

I definitely know that when the US president gets an obituary.

I will totally fucking get drunk

I will celebrate

[daring creek]

I believe his uncle looked after him I can't recall perfectly

[opaque coyote]

I will not care if a test is tomorrow

[daring creek]

The wikipedia goes over it

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it's a case of karma basically

Well of justice really

[daring creek]

Shinzo was likely another twat politician of Japan who ignored the greater issue of depression and overwork going all throughout the country

[opaque coyote]

Even blamed the right person, the guy who literally bankrolled the entire cult

[daring creek]

I see it as retribution.

[summer mural]

Like my mother smh

[vagrant fox]

Standard fare for Japanese politicians

[daring creek]

[humble shoal]

That gun though

[opaque coyote]

And now they elected a party that's generally considered very far right in Japan.

One of their main complaints is that people don't work enough btw

[summer mural]

I'm converting to creatonism, I've been thinking throughout my life and this is my final conclusion

[daring creek]

People in power should not be allowed to say "Have sex. Raise children" in response to a severe decline in birth rate.

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-seals-seal-of-confusion-confusion-huh-gif-6679477221672033086

[opaque coyote]

You see, the problem is that is a complicated issue with many societal factors

[daring creek]

Without any consequences. It only tells the population that you do not give a fuck.

[opaque coyote]

Why should I try to tackle a complex problem?

When I can tell people to just fuck??

[daring creek]

And I feel the population has a right to voice their discontent.

[vagrant fox]

wrong

to the gallows

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-astartes-3d-art-nope-gif-16794679

[daring creek]

Trve

[opaque coyote]

That gif is overused

But it's overused for good reason

[winter pine]

Don't worry they're going to try more of the stick method for this when the useless nagging doesn't work

[opaque coyote]

Fuck I love the Astartes animation (ignoring the Temu Multi las)

[daring creek]

Wifi is cooked i think

[daring creek]

Surely history won't repeat itself

[winter pine]

I'm expecting tax hikes on people without children at a bare minimum within maybe five years

[opaque coyote]

Atp I would literally kms to spite them

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867937610977411122/1463024369256239104/Dude...._fuck_yes..gif

[daring creek]

Reaaaalllll you've seen the menace Animation right

[opaque coyote]

The

What

[daring creek]

Rika Imagery

Saved

[daring creek]

Game trailer animation made by the same dude who made astartes

My wifi is FUCKED

[opaque coyote]

Need to see that

[daring creek]

Ya not hard to find

You'll tell immediately its his work

Literally "menace game trailer"

[languid meadow]

still have no idea what that trailer is supposed to convey considering the gameplay doesn't really match the vibe

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-mexico-gif-9274048408699211393

[jade holly]

Would it be a bad idea to add a new personality to Vet called the Deathworlder?

Male Vet would have the more Stallone style American accent while the Female Vet would have a southern accent?

[crude bison]

only if half of her voice lines are "bless your heart"

[celest dome]

Would it be a bad idea, not really, but wouldn't work with most planet selection options.

Wouldn't be something I'd see reason to add tbh

[jade holly]

So add Catachan as a planet

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah also have some random photos of lake Tahoe and some of the area around it I took

[summer mural]

Nature.

Disgusting.

[summer mural]

Merwyrm Central

My brain is rotted

I'm sorry.

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's all

Unrelated image

[late verge]

If the emperor's true form (or unpsychically enhanced form ig) is an old man, why does his geneseed turn people into giant buff lunatics

[summer mural]

Because

Wait what

[opaque coyote]

Cause his seed™ is filled with psyker juice

[late verge]

But it doesnt turn them INTO psykers

[opaque coyote]

Literally that's the reason

[late verge]

Even the grey knights dont get their psykerness from the geneseed

[opaque coyote]

No. Just enhances them.

Also the Emperor is still buff and gigantic and all that

Since his psyker powers change his body.

Every blank also sees someone different also

[late verge]

But wasnt there fluff about the sisters of silence seeing a weak little guy

[late verge]

Ohhh

[opaque coyote]

It's also worth noting that one blank saw the Emperor in his throne as a writhing man in pain

When he's a skeleton

But they saw a complete human being

[late verge]

And not moving

[arctic talon]

That’s in 40k and they don’t see him as small, he still fits the throne

He’s def an old skeleton now

Tho lol

Groaning in pain

[opaque coyote]

It's a weird situation.

I believe that the Blanks just see his souls current state

[arctic talon]

The SoS excerpt is from 40k

[opaque coyote]

The body itself is ignored

[arctic talon]

Not heresy

But yeah he’s literally a withered corpse

[opaque coyote]

And the fragment of the on the throne is exactly what they see

[late verge]

Tbh I dont like that lore bc even if he isnt a normal human, he still IS a human. The idea that he is amorphous and has no true form doesnt make sense to me

[summer mural]

It's what the alpha legion wa-

[opaque coyote]

Tbf psyker powers are fucking weird

Magnus only has one eye because he decided it

Ordinarily it would've regenerated

As a reminder and lesson of sorts

Definitely needed his other eye poked out let's be fair here...

Not enough wisdom gained clearly

[summer mural]

I wouldn't be surprised if it did and he just keeps his eye shut lmao

[late verge]

And also its a huge waste of a good metaphor for fascism, behind all this bravado and golden armor he is literally just a tiny old man who is physically helpless without his psyker powers

He doesnt really know what he's doing

[opaque coyote]

Nah there's still a scar there

If it had healed, it would've also healed the slice

[summer mural]

Would it, you can have a scar on a healed wound

But anyway, this is entirely irrelevant

[opaque coyote]

Primarch regen is generally more

... complete

[opaque coyote]

Again, I think it's his soul rather than his body

Fragments of his soul is constantly portrayed as an old man

[raven stone]

We need anime truck girls to repair the damage.

[opaque coyote]

I find it funny that this trope was basically inspired by what was essentially national trauma from a really old magical girl anime

Minky Momo

And it was done out of sheer spite of the toy company that fucked over their funding

Tldr; Anime was lighthearted until the MC, who was a little girl btw, got hit by a fucking toy truck and died

Also the episode before this, she lost her powers

That was literally the finale of the show

[late verge]

...and bc its a norse mythology reference and gw's modus operandi is to copy things wholesale

[opaque coyote]

Yeah except he didn't gain jackshit in terms of wisdom

Which is definitely the intention

Pain doesn't make you wiser

In fact, it often does the opposite

I kinda interpret it as commentary of sorts

On how the Imperium's ethos even back then was wrong

If pain and hardship truly made a person strong and intelligent.

Then none of the primarchs would have done any of the stupid shit that they did

[late verge]

Not to discourage deeper thinking but this is probably not what the authors meant

But good analysis nonetheless

[opaque coyote]

Probably not

[late verge]

Death of the author and allat

[opaque coyote]

But Shakespeare would probably fail a test on his own work tbh

"The fuck? I just had Macbeth see the knife floating cause he's crazy."

[opaque coyote]

Death of the Author often results in rebirth

A lot of plotlines are inspired by fans somewhat

In an optimal scenario

Both the fan base and the author borrow from each other

And go on to create new ideas

Often times when one is dissatisfied for the other

That's when stories generally become shit

[late verge]

I mean tbh i feel like people like shakespeare DO actually think about that kinda stuff, i'm just saying gw's common denominator lore writers probably dont

[opaque coyote]

Miraculous Ladybug moment

[opaque coyote]

Eh. Shakespeare's plays were actually famous for appealing to the common denominator

The reason why they are well known is because at the time, both poor and rich people enjoyed his plays.

[late verge]

That doesnt mean HE was or HE didnt have any intention or meaning behind it

[opaque coyote]

He was the first artist that appeared to the common denominator

[opaque coyote]

And yeah it was definitely meant for more than that

[late verge]

Easily understood =/= vapid

[opaque coyote]

The knife scene at least

And Shakespeare's plays generally has a lot of symbolism

[summer mural]

But what about the wookies on kashyyk

[late verge]

They are the ones who simultaneously insist 40k is a satire on fascism while also doing backflips to justify every evil thing the fascists do

[opaque coyote]

But authors often say silent

Because it's better to let the people decide their own meanings

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's a main problem of the 40k books

On a surface level, there is justification

Only by digging deeper do you find

"oh it actually isn't in the slightest"

Like the Interex is an example of the Emperor being wrong

But no beginner fan would know about them

Because the Horus Heresy series is so fucking huge

[opaque coyote]

Even then he has that bullshit future sight

Which honestly

I think it is the biggest writing mistake for the Emperor

He shouldn't have had deep future sight

At most the sight should've gone as far as

"Will I win X battle?"

[summer mural]

The next meal?

[opaque coyote]

Instead of "I am working towards a possible future"

Because that means

If I hit myself in the head a couple of times and damage my brain

That the Imperium is justified on some level because there's a chance that the ends do justify the means

[late verge]

I mean sometimes

[opaque coyote]

Of course it failed

[opaque coyote]

I mean I don't mind some of it. Especially since I think some authors attempted to course correct.

Killing everyone that knows about Chaos or the Grey Knights existing

...they eventually gave up and everything was basically normal

Implying that it was never necessary to begin with

[late verge]

I'm just saying that i dont really think that most of gw's writers are very... concerned with philosophy or saying anything about society

[opaque coyote]

True

Although I definitely think there is commentary on society for some of the books

[late verge]

I feel like most of the "deeper lore" you mentioned is course correction tbh

[opaque coyote]

Like Eisenhorn dealing with the veterans who see "Chaos" everywhere

But they're just attacking regular ass people. Their paranoia overtaking them

Obviously a sign of the lack of support the Imperium (and let's be fair here society in general) gives to Veterans

Especially those who are mentally ill

Of course the Imperium wouldn't care about Veterans

Sometimes there might be subtext that is intentional and sometimes there isn't

Maybe they only put it in cause it's cool or maybe they did genuinely mean it

But either way, even Bolter slop has some symbolism.

It's just that there's not many

[opaque coyote]

Yeah those were examples

[late verge]

Part of why I adore darktides handling of the player characters is all of them are downtrodden and beaten down and sad and theyre fighting in dingy cramped looking impoverished hive cities and theyre all so human with flaws and fears and insecurities.

You can totally make an argument that it downplays the jingoistic fantasy that other 40k media like sm2 cultivates, but my main thing is that it is objectively much more interesting

Sm2's characters barely speak and when they do they only prove how little personality they actually have

[opaque coyote]

Again, I think at least the primarchs were somewhat thought through.

Mortarion is part of Nurgle. And Nurgle generally is about relationships and toxicity.

So of course they would give him no mother and like 3 bad father figures

[late verge]

LMAO

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it is funny

But it's also how generally kids who undergo abuse generally have a fucked up idea on love

And although Mortarion is somewhat aware of it

He can't stop himself

He rots in his misery

Because he feels powerless. He can't do anything

All he can do is decay

Mentally

Physically

Emotionally

What was once meant to be a paragon of humanity's potential. The son of the most powerful human ever.

Is powerless.

Or at least... that's what he thinks.

[opaque coyote]

But yeah some 40k media is clearly meaning to try and get you thinking somewhat

While others are like SM2

[late verge]

Also I would argue it shows that grimdark doesnt have to mean everyone is irredeemably evil, even if all the institutions are.

Many of the dt personalities are shown to actually be fully capable of things like compassionate even despite their circumstances and their general fucked upness. Follows in vermintide's footsteps in that sense imo

[opaque coyote]

The problem with 40k is that the marketing never shows the more complicated side

It's always

[late verge]

Yes exactly

[opaque coyote]

"SHOOT EVIL TYRANIDS!!!"

[late verge]

Space marine 2 is FUN but that's all it is

It is the epitome of bolterslop

[opaque coyote]

Tbf I don't think that SM2 is bad or bolterslop in general

Sometimes all you want is to shoot some orks

Or bugs

[late verge]

Respectable opinion even if I disagree

[opaque coyote]

But I do generally think that the marketing needs to show more of the Imperium's evil

And the games

[late verge]

Aeldari game plz

[opaque coyote]

Although SM2 does try to add SOME of it

As awful as the story itself is

The environment is great

[late verge]

Striking scorpion game plz

[opaque coyote]

I remember a post being shocked at the cherubs

Being in the beginning

But that's subtle.

And people can ignore that

[late verge]

Yes the art direction is very nice but imo its a bit too clean and majestic.

Imo

[opaque coyote]

But the people who made SM2 clearly enjoy 40k

And know what it's about

They just wanted to make bolterslop

[opaque coyote]

Fair point

Darktide is generally better for showing a microcosm of the Imperium

With the environments being way more varied

[wintry scarab]

They do clearly enjoy it, but sm2 representation of 40k is mid imo. Especially the space marine part. Dont like it at all.

[late verge]

People do be people tho... it makes me think about how much people can be blamed for what they are if their circumstances are so abhorrent. Obviously its always a bit of both but to what degree im not sure. Idk if that was the intention but it doesnt really matter

[opaque coyote]

True.

I always wished that SM had DLCs

Where you played as a Chaos marine

[late verge]

Its a safe portrayal i definitely agree

[wintry scarab]

Yes, ive been saying this for ages. Sm2 is confiremed to not have this sadly. Sm3 on the other hand. High chance imo.

[late verge]

Its kind of like how you can look at ancient greek art and say thats pretty but it also did kind of lack substance tmu

[young pecan]

I would maybe call it bolter slop if the ranged weapons or their ten variants each felt impactful or meaningfully different in the slightest

[opaque coyote]

In general, morality in the 40k is fucked up. That's kinda the point

The general consensus of morality has degenerated

[late verge]

Fucked up in the sense its evil, and fucked up in the sense that its very jumbled and difficult to parse

[opaque coyote]

So talking about it in general and talking about it in universe is different

[opaque coyote]

And tbf that's often how morality is.

Not in the sense that it is evil

Like 40k obviously is

But that going into detail is a rabbit hole that will have you go in circles

[late verge]

Lowk I almost think that some of the imperium's evils are cultural issues rather than institutional ones, even if obv the imperium is responsible for both

[late verge]

Like i dont think there would be much imperial pushback to a planet banning servitors being made from natty humans and only being made from inherently unconscious vat grown ones, but afaik none of them have because servitors are largely a cultural problem rather than an institutional one

[opaque coyote]

Oh it 100% is.

Servitors are only normalized in the Imperium. The Imperium and Mechanicus could easily use like...

Regular robots.

But because of the species wide trauma of the MoI rebellion. They illogically refuse to use any type of machine.

[late verge]

To give an example

[wintry scarab]

The sound design for a lot of the guns is just so bad imo. Not bad as in the quality, but bad as in the representation. Bolters feel like normal guns when they should feel like bolters imo. But some do sound quite good.

[late verge]

They literally do use regular robots and theyre not considered heresy

[opaque coyote]

Yes, and that's also why it's illogical

They do use regular robots but they're even simpler than servitors

[late verge]

Tmk theyre described as being run by "wetware" algorithms, which does imply that theres some sort of vat grown neuron integration maybe? But theyre clearly not conscious and never were

[opaque coyote]

The Mechanicus (and by extension the Imperium) is so culturally afraid of taking those robots further

[late verge]

And most cogitators are also like this

[opaque coyote]

That they would rather become cruel and use people

[late verge]

And tbf theyre such morons that many sects prolly just straight up dont know where they are

[opaque coyote]

Basically "there is a reason for it but that reason is basically a decision made in a panic induced frenzy"

[young pecan]

I swapped from bolt auto to bolt carbine and noticed that nothing meaningful changes except for the scope and maybe mag size LMAO

And yeah the sound design definitely plays into them feeling bad

[storm jungle]

[late verge]

And I've also read some mechanicus sects, or at least the forge thralls beneath them, seem to think that being made into a servitor is actually a somewhat merciful or charitable thing to do to a heretic because it allows them to serve even when they otherwise wouldnt, and machines are better than flesh blah blah blah

Which is even more chilling than them just not caring tbh

[opaque coyote]

Basically the entire point of the Imperium is

"Don't let it get to the point where we're arguing about whether a normal hiver is to blame for using a lobotomized person as an appliance"

[arctic talon]

Tech thralls are a Mechanicus wide thing yeah

Wait nvm

I misread

What you said is true though

[late verge]

I think forge thralls and tech thralls are different things

[arctic talon]

They are

Tech thralls are lower then servitors 💀

[daring creek]

What warhammer stuff should i mention to my therapist next

[daring creek]

Jeez kek

[late verge]

Forge thralls are regular unaugmented workers and tech thralls are hastily converted quasi servitors who arent lobotomised but still have the slave circuit right?

[opaque coyote]

I think Servitors are mostly at least lobotmized

But tech thralls aren't

Like even by default

[daring creek]

How can you be- oh lord.

[opaque coyote]

They literally can't control their body

[arctic talon]

Yep

Nailed it

Tech thralls also can be left independent

If the overseer wants

But in battle they’re always slaved

[daring creek]

Wait are they just played like cod by tech priests lmfao

[arctic talon]

No

More like an RTS

lol

[daring creek]

Oh no

[storm jungle]

also roomba

[daring creek]

Absolutely in hell

[storm jungle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/roomba-riding

[daring creek]

Kek

Not lobotomized. Lower than servitors

Actually cooked.

Why aren't they lobotomized

[arctic talon]

Too expensive

Too much time

[wintry scarab]

I think a lot of the gun design in sm2 has to do with GW stuff. GW obviously has their restrictions, and considering that most primaris guns havethe most minor of differences between them, saber didnt have much of a choice. Either have a bunch of guns that feel samey or have very few guns. They chose the first option. At least thats how i see it.

[daring creek]

Cooked.

[late verge]

They are probably less popular than servitors for this reason tbf. Lobotomising them makes them more docile and less likely to malfunction

[late verge]

I think its because theyre usually deployed as cannon fodder and expected to die quickly on top of it being just for plain torture

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Tech thralls are literal cannon fodder

[daring creek]

Okay so it's punishment

[arctic talon]

They have laslocks

Fucking LASLOCKS

LOL

[daring creek]

[storm jungle]

Yeah also as per the Servitors/Raveners KT book servitors are way more specialized

[daring creek]

Actually in hell

[storm jungle]

they are like tactical murder-roombas

[arctic talon]

Servitors are expensive as fuck lol

[daring creek]

Kill them immediately

[arctic talon]

People always forget that

Shits costly

[daring creek]

Costco servitors

[arctic talon]

They got a bunch of chemicals pumped into em to preserve em

Among other things

Need to feed them

A tech thrall can feed itself

[late verge]

Which ironically makes them more valuable than they were when they were regular humans.

Which also makes the mechanicus seeing it as a reward or mercy make even more sense

[opaque coyote]

Literally the equivalent of using the laser musket from Fallout 4

[late verge]

Its a little like uhmmm yk how penitent engines dont have armor protecting the pilot

[daring creek]

If I was a high tech priest Id improve all servitors lives..

[opaque coyote]

Ngl I actually want a Laslock as a weapon in Darktide

[jade holly]

Salamanders when they see a human:
don’t worry little one, you’re safe with us

salamanders when they see a Xenos:

[opaque coyote]

That would be fun

[jade holly]

https://tenor.com/view/mauwa-overwatch-2-gun-gif-6056411459560143871

[arctic talon]

https://preview.redd.it/the-new-mechanicum-tech-thralls-look-like-they-are-going-to-v0-zsbrgmwj791d1.png?auto=webp&s=92e8279b9a0d034327f955b5db699f6cfc03c37d

[daring creek]

Oh shit

Pmfa

Lmao

[late verge]

You can say that now but you dont know how you'd think if you were put through the ringer of indoctrination

[daring creek]

Oh NO OH NO

[opaque coyote]

Like imagine using it as basically a blunderbuss

[late verge]

Tho I do agree ofc

[arctic talon]

Tbh most tech priests and skitarii see servitors as objects

Not as people

[late verge]

Replace salamanders with ogryns

[daring creek]

My wholesome whimsy cannot falter. My servitors will have only the best lives!!

[opaque coyote]

Idk why I find Penitent Engines stupid for the Imperium.

But I do.

Because like, even on a cruel level. I believe that it's stupid because the punishment usually ends too soon.

And not only that but you lose a valuable mech

[jade holly]

I said Salamander cause one of his guns sets people on fire

[late verge]

Yes but do keep in mind they have organised their society around the worship of inanimate objects

[opaque coyote]

But there is a version of the Penitent engine where the victim is like

Stuck inside a spiked coffin?

Like that's what I think Penitent Engines should be by default

[daring creek]

Honestly seeing them described and seeing them here now makes them 20x more scary lmfao

[solid horizon]

meanwhile skitariis are nothing but glorified cultists with gadgets

[late verge]

But otherwise theyd just be dreadnoughts

[opaque coyote]

On a practical level, your mech wouldn't be disabled by one lasgun shot

[arctic talon]

They’re like the sisters of battle to the ecclisarchy

[daring creek]

That one just has no arm

[arctic talon]

Funny init

[daring creek]

Goddamn

[opaque coyote]

On a cruelty level, it's still painful for the victim

[solid horizon]

sisters of battle suck

stats wise

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but having the victim be exposed to fire is stupid

[late verge]

It is but gw is stupid so

[opaque coyote]

Make a different design at least

[daring creek]

I never really liked how they looked tbh. Too much skin exposed. Indecent really

[opaque coyote]

I get the Imperium isn't reasonable or sane

But like

[solid horizon]

some peniten engines are basically iron maidens on legs tho

[opaque coyote]

Even the most religious zealot would think internally

[daring creek]

Idk I think its p reasonable to put people in pain boxes

[arctic talon]

Marathon looks so cool

[opaque coyote]

"armor = protection"

[daring creek]

[arctic talon]

Unfortunately it’s an extraction shooter

lol

Aesthetically it looks great

[jade holly]

And it’s $40

Apparently

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's what I think should be the default for the engines

[daring creek]

Which game you speak

[opaque coyote]

That way one lasgun shot doesn't completely

Disable the entire thing

[jade holly]

Midathon

[opaque coyote]

Either that or have it be run by a rudimentary AI and the person is basically decoration

[solid horizon]

I obliterated penitent engines with my dunecrawler on my 20k apocalypse game

[opaque coyote]

Like even after the person tied to it dies

It's still working fully

[winter pine]

Marathon going from Doom era FPS to the extraction shooter gives me whiplash

[daring creek]

Speaking of

[opaque coyote]

The person there is just for punishment

[solid horizon]

one of them was stuck with plague ogryns in a trench, blocking my immortals' aim

[arctic talon]

MIDA mentioned

[daring creek]

Its really hard to kill an astartes w lasguns yeah

[solid horizon]

penitent engines perform poorly but it's understandable

[opaque coyote]

That's honestly a better direction.

Marathon was basically made as a doom clone for macs originally

[jade holly]

Plasma gun tho?

Yeah they’re red dust on the wind now

[wintry scarab]

I hate anything Bungie does with a passion.

[arctic talon]

They should have made it not an extraction shooter I’m ngl

lol

[opaque coyote]

Yeah idk what Bungie was thinking

[jade holly]

Should have made it have unique gameplay lmao

[arctic talon]

It does from what I can tell

[opaque coyote]

Shows how little of the "old Bungie" remained

[daring creek]

Yeah plasma is plasma no matter who holds it. I think I saw one off'd by one in sm2

[arctic talon]

Unfortunately it’s an extraction shooter

[opaque coyote]

But hey at least it should be fun

[daring creek]

Need my extraction slop

[arctic talon]

[opaque coyote]

Idk why they called it marathon

[arctic talon]

It’ll appeal to a specific audience

[opaque coyote]

Like just Marathon

Like that's stupid

[arctic talon]

So they can use the factions from the old Marathon games and some lore

[daring creek]

Marathon for who gets bigger kill number

[arctic talon]

Like the shells

And MIDA

[opaque coyote]

I know

But like at least make it clear that it's a side game

Because I hope it's not a full reboot of the series itself

Idk how that would even fucking work

A new single player marathon should be called Marathon

It should've had the tagline like

"Marathon: Extraction"

[arctic talon]

It’s not a reboot as far as I can tell

[wintry scarab]

The best thing to come out of new marathon, is that really cool cinematic trailer made by that one guy that makes cool animations

[arctic talon]

Also MIDA became even more extremist

[opaque coyote]

Yeah naming it just Marathon

[arctic talon]

Nah the aesthetic is great tbh

[opaque coyote]

Is...

Stupid

[arctic talon]

G r u b

[opaque coyote]

It probably takes place before the first game

My best guess is that anyways

[arctic talon]

Don’t you like your faction representative of a g r u b

[opaque coyote]

Like the war around I think Mars?

Is my best guess

[arctic talon]

It seems to be after bcs MIDA has a sizable base to hire mercenaries

To serve their interests

[shadow plover]

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[opaque coyote]

Yeah so technically it's a prequel

[arctic talon]

Which mostly are just terrorism

[arctic talon]

Is it though?

[opaque coyote]

Since the marathon games takes place after that whole thing

[arctic talon]

It could be a sequel

[daring creek]

@storm jungle

[arctic talon]

MIDA could have restablished itself

[daring creek]

The most powerful "go fuck yourself"

[arctic talon]

Or just be what the government is called now

Fuck if I know

[winter pine]

I hope they didn't forget about Durandel tbqh

[opaque coyote]

True but it would be an alt. Future type of thing

Since timelines usually have Durandal with aliens fighting against another alien faction

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

Either that or a prequel since that has a whole war with MIDA

[daring creek]

BALANCED

SOOOOO BALANCED

[arctic talon]

ARG says Mars was granted independence eventually

[opaque coyote]

And besides the backstory of Durandal it's pretty much unimportant tbh

[arctic talon]

💀

So this is after

[opaque coyote]

So sometime during Marathon 1

Since Marathon 1 takes place far away from Mars

[arctic talon]

MIDA is around as a militant arm still to ensure Mars’s interests are represented

It would seem

[opaque coyote]

The spaceship is basically in another system

[arctic talon]

Idk their representative looks completely sane and rational

[opaque coyote]

Hundreds of light years away

[arctic talon]

I think he’s right and I should put bombs on my chest

[opaque coyote]

Completely reasonable looking individual

[daring creek]

The fuck is that

[opaque coyote]

Just like Captain Wolfer

[daring creek]

Some rave party goer

[opaque coyote]

I don't mind the style change though tbh

Since Marathon didn't really have that much of a recognizable style

[arctic talon]

It’s MIDA’s representative in Marathon(the extraction shooter)

[opaque coyote]

Because

1990s

[arctic talon]

Who wants you to put

A bomb

On your chest

And run at people

[opaque coyote]

So I don't mind the new art style

Since like

[arctic talon]

The new art style is really pretty

[opaque coyote]

It doesn't look bad at all

[arctic talon]

It’s very unique

Tbh

[opaque coyote]

And also they only had the fucking 1990s game to work with which had

A lot of generic ass designs let's be fair here

[arctic talon]

Still absurd to me they plagiarized art for the random background signage in the game though

💀

Fucks sake lol

Anyways yeah my favorite marathon faction representative is the grub

I like the grub

[opaque coyote]

The Resurrected Cyborg Super Soldier that is the protagonist throughout Marathon looks like this btw

[opaque coyote]

Which doesn't look like what he actually is

[arctic talon]

lol

[opaque coyote]

Although tbf he is meant to be disguised with other humans

But in general like

[winter pine]

you know I've wondered for a while if GW just stole the Marathon logo for the Tau, is that actually the case

[opaque coyote]

C'mon man he's literally called a Battleroid

[wintry scarab]

No, no, no! You dont understand! It was a previous employee that no longer works here! We are blameless! Just like the other 8 times we got caught stealing shit

[winter pine]

Or did Bungie take it from someone first

[opaque coyote]

You think something called a Battleroid

Would look waayyy more fucked up

[opaque coyote]

His design is also kinda inconsistent also

This was in Marathon 2

I don't blame them for going a new direction for the art style

The Plagiarism makes me worried though

[arctic talon]

It was just for signage(as far as we know)

The artstyle itself looks unique

But fuck if I know

[opaque coyote]

I mean...

Tbf it's literally a circle with a line

[arctic talon]

But don’t worry Marathon much like the original trilogy will be the same

No one will play it

And halo is better/j

[storm jungle]

^

its lke

very much not really a super creative symbol lol

[arctic talon]

The Marathon symbol is deadass extremely generic

Same with the Tau symbol

[storm jungle]

Like is it cool?

Yes

But its also simplistic

anyone can accidentally make it

[arctic talon]

Iirc it’s a reference to zero point theory

Or some shit

Apparently

Which makes no sense

[opaque coyote]

Literally a missed opportunity to actually make it a Tau symbol

But tbf it's basically a fancy T

In terms of how it looks

[arctic talon]

No im talking about the marathon symbol

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I know

[arctic talon]

I do agree the Tau symbol being the Greek letter tau would be funny

[opaque coyote]

Just saying how the T'au symbol ironically doesn't look like a Tau

[opaque coyote]

Also that makes sense in the context of Marathon

[raven stone]

It's a shame the lore precludes any theories

[arctic talon]

It does

But it’s still like

[opaque coyote]

Marathon makes FNAF look like a fucking preschool book with how complicated and OVERLY CONVOLUTED it is

[arctic talon]

I don’t fucking see it

[raven stone]

Since Marathon (the ship) is one of Mar's moon or something

[arctic talon]

Marathon the extraction shooter is on Tau something

[opaque coyote]

Seriously holy shit it did NOT need to be this complicated

[arctic talon]

Tau ceti 4

[opaque coyote]

I genuinely think Bungie at the time were on drugs

[arctic talon]

Marathon infinity still gives me a headache plot wise

I hate it

1 and 2 are easy enough to comprehend

3 is genuinely field by meth

[raven stone]

And that is BEFORE you treat Pathways into Darkness as a prequel!

[opaque coyote]

Marathon Infinity is too complicated for its own good

The beginning is still one of the best intros ever

For a video game

[raven stone]

Timeline jumping shenanigans

[arctic talon]

Do people actually do that 💀

Actually they prolly do

[opaque coyote]

Durandal being genuinely scared

Still is the most memorable thing

Urging you to escape

Running from this weapon that the rival alien race released out of desperation

It also shows that he actually does care about you

Because he knows that he is doomed

But he still wants you to escape if there is a chance

Durandal is still one of the top 5 fictional AIs of all time tbh

Such an interesting character

It's implied that part of the reason why he went rampant is due to him being abused

[arctic talon]

Bungie not shifting away from the naming convention for the main AI characters in their game is funny

[opaque coyote]

I do generally think that Bungie was gonna go in Halo 5's direction

[arctic talon]

I think the latest one is Joyeuse

[opaque coyote]

Aka an AI takeover

But it would've been executed way better than whatever the fuck Halo 5 did

There are collectable tapes in Halo Reach

Entirely about a secret AI cabal trying to guide humanity

They aren't entirely portrayed as evil either

[arctic talon]

Bungie def had the AI rebellion thing planned if they were gona make more Halo’s

[opaque coyote]

But the hacker is still going insane because well...

There's a secret AI cabal manipulating humanity for hundreds of years

But I think that the tapes are actually way more interesting

Than uh a fragment of Cortana becoming evil for nearly 0 reason

[arctic talon]

Actually what if the Marathon(2026) game is another universe reset

Not fully

But Durendel is in it

[opaque coyote]

You mean an alt. Timeline?

[arctic talon]

Yes

lol

[opaque coyote]

Honestly would be very much plausible

But it would also be a prequel

Somewhat

I can imagine it being a prequel to Marathon 1

Since the protagonist was made for the war for Mars

[arctic talon]

I’m thinking it’s after marathon 1 but before 2

Timeline wise

Bcs MIDA/Mars are independent

And tau ceti 4 is abandoned of all human life

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it would probably be during Marathon 1

Since Marathon 1 is hundreds of light years away

Things could have changed

I can imagine the ending or an event or something

Would be a message from Durandal

The one he sent warning about the aliens because he still feels some loyalty to aliens

I still want a marathon remake though

[arctic talon]

In this art style lol?

Would be sick

[opaque coyote]

Like I don't care if remake culture is tired

[arctic talon]

Meh remakes are cool

[opaque coyote]

The games are literally from the 1990s

[arctic talon]

Remakes are interesting bcs you can change stuff

[opaque coyote]

I think it's fine to remake 30ish year old games

[arctic talon]

Remasters are just an old game redone 1 to 1

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I just hope Infinity gets cleared up somewhat

The main problem I have is that it's way too vague

Partially because 90's video games were limited in storytelling options

And partially because the story itself is a mess

[arctic talon]

Infinity is not gona get cleared up i feel

If there is a remake

Also wait

Infinity is the third marathon game

Halo infinite was the third halo game made by 343

Is halo infinite a fucking marathon reference

[opaque coyote]

Fair point, but at least have some smaller things be cleared up a bit.

Like the protagonist actually slowly gains control of his powers

[opaque coyote]

They renamed the Weapon/Clone Cortana "Joyuese"

...

Yes

[arctic talon]

Well

That’s normal

It was weird she didn’t have a name like that

[opaque coyote]

Yeah and because Halo

It's in the FUCKING BOOKS BECAUSE MICROSOFT AND 343 FUCKED UP THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM

The books are good.

But the problem is that everytime I read them

It's like

"Man if only this was in the games!"

And huge swathes of story are skipped

It's like they forgot that Bungie legitimately didn't want Halo 2 and Halo 3 to have a timeskip

They only did it out of time constraints

That had that excuse for AFTER infinite but not before

And not for 4 and 5

Wanna know who blue team is?

Read the books!

Wanna know what happened in-between 4 and 5?

Read the books!

This is my main gripe with Halo

If you want to follow the actual story

You can't

Unless if you read the books

[jade holly]

Speaking of Halo, the new guy in Overwatch feels like a love letter to Halo gameplay

Emre

I want a Halo collab in that game, I mean both are owned by Microsoft so It’s not far fetched

[opaque coyote]

I don't think Supplemental material is bad

T h

I just feel like Halo uses it as a crutch

[daring creek]

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Cheers

[storm jungle]

Good fucking riddance.

[vagrant fox]

crazy

[jade holly]

Alright I don’t like the guy but idk if celebrating someone getting cancer is a such a good thing

[daring creek]

Doesn't mean death unfortunately

[storm jungle]

Hes a mass murdering child killing piece of shit

Like id get if it was some medium tier politician

but this is a literal fascist genocider lol

[arctic talon]

His cancer was promised to him 3000 years ago

[storm jungle]

LMAO

ELITE

💀

[jade holly]

Fair enough I suppose

Still I’d rather him face actual justice than get cancer and die. Then again you could argue the cancer is said karmic justice

[wintry cloud]

God is real

[arctic talon]

There’s a Jewish dude at the local fighting game tournament who says “the 15$ pot was promised to me 3000 years ago”

[storm jungle]

KS0FK0SKF0SKF

[daring creek]

Lmfao

[arctic talon]

Everytime he gets into semi finals

It’s so fucking funny

Without fail

I can’t get that stupid fucking phrase out my head now

Because he’s really good

So I hear it 2-3 times every night

Every Friday

[jade holly]

So what you’re saying is the Finals were promised to him 3000 years ago

[opaque coyote]

Normally I wouldn't celebrate somebody who is basically diagnosed with a life threatening condition

[vagrant fox]

At least he has a sense of humour, a rare thing for someone who plays fighting game tournaments for $15 indeed

[opaque coyote]

Fortunately, this is an exception

[arctic talon]

Yes(he’s only won the 15$ pot like twice)

[daring creek]

Normally.

[vagrant fox]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209843216227368962/1473401371092062392/OfRcq600UNxq3JQ4.mp4?ex=69961375&is=6994c1f5&hm=772aebbd25d4b116425bff097ff9ba35279b912aee4cbf441fdb8511c17927b1&

This is quite something

[jade holly]

Speaking of cancer, is Biden doing alright?

[arctic talon]

Tbf it’s a 1$ bracket fee I can’t complain lol

[daring creek]

Oh

[jade holly]

I heard nothing about him in a while

[daring creek]

No clue tbh

[arctic talon]

We dunno, his family won’t talk about it so

[daring creek]

He kinda disappeared

[jade holly]

I don’t blame him

His age with that advanced cancer?

[solid horizon]

conspiracy theorist pretend he's died

[jade holly]

Dude needs to take it easy

[vagrant fox]

Old folks thing, they just disappear sometimes

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I have like four people as an exception.

RFK Jr, Donald Trump, Kim Jong Un, and Netanyahu

[solid horizon]

trump slowly becoming a nurgle adept

[opaque coyote]

If I ever win a tournament I should say that I gained the mandate of heaven

[daring creek]

Remember when JD Vance for no fucking reason said he's prepared to take charge if something dramatic happened to trump

[arctic talon]

Tbf Trump is old

Much like Biden

💀

[jade holly]

You have become the new Jade Emperor

[daring creek]

While there was a rumor saying trump died

[arctic talon]

He’s got bruises all over his hand

I think he suffered a medical incident

Of some sort

When he disappeared suddenly

[opaque coyote]

I think it's a sign of using a dementia slowing medicine

[arctic talon]

I can’t think of another reason to cancel that much shit

[opaque coyote]

Emphasis on slowing

[arctic talon]

Not really

[opaque coyote]

It doesn't stop it

[opaque coyote]

Due to his face drooping, it was definitely some type of stroke

[arctic talon]

Do you think if you poured promethium on the chainaxe it would explode