40k-lore-chat

[rose thorn]

A women in Caesar's service. Looks like the Bear had it's victory after all.

[arctic talon]

British facist union or whatever was founded by a woman

Diversity win

[rose thorn]

The first female president of italy is a facist

[arctic talon]

Sorry just the “British facists”

[rose thorn]

next terraria build!!!

[arctic talon]

That’s what they were called

[late verge]

"Last i checked you needed a weapon between your legs to carry one for Caesar"

"Is that why you're not in the legion anymore?"

[arctic talon]

Also it’s so funny Ulysses’s mask is bugged to make him lose melanin

Like how the fuck did that even happen in development lol

[late verge]

Racist mask

[rose thorn]

lmao

[arctic talon]

Like he literally has lighter skin on his face only when wearing the mask like ?????

How the fuck did that happen

[vagrant fox]

she could make me worse Rotha Lintorn-Orman yes

[late verge]

Fucking

God damn it i hate that

[queen laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/lorax-thats-a-woman-gif-7783533

[late verge]

Why does she have to have so much aura

[vagrant fox]

British Fascists though yes, not the BUF

[late verge]

She kinda looks twinkish

[vagrant fox]

I was reminded of the other one looking her up

Norah Elam, also known as Norah Dacre Fox (née Norah Doherty, 5 March 1878 – 2 March 1961), was an Irish-born militant suffragette, anti-vivisectionist, feminist and fascist in the United Kingdom.

Politics check out

[vagrant fox]

Malaria maybe, or the WWI service, or it's the only thing that the fash can do competently

[arctic talon]

Because she’s wearing cool clothes

[late verge]

She looks so miserable as a person but she also looks so cool

[arctic talon]

Hat a combination of beliefs lol

Anti vivisection is good

[late verge]

What even is she wearing

Obv trenchcoat but like

[arctic talon]

Suit + some sort of trench coat

And a long like skirt thing?

I think

Or maybe those are baggy pants

[vagrant fox]

She was an WWI ambulance driver so it might be the uniform she had

[arctic talon]

I can’t tell

[surreal nest]

https://tenor.com/view/the-sopranos-paulie-gualtieri-walnuts-ok-hands-up-gif-16730865

[rose thorn]

i,.,, i think pete the wargamer can only kitbash space mariens now

[surreal nest]

ever since the incident

[arctic talon]

Seeing as Valve decided to not make Venator part of the Deadlock KKK friends of humanity

When are we getting a character who is part of them

lol

[surreal nest]

friends of humanity?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[late verge]

The trenchcoat looks like 3 sizes too big for her and it makes her look like a young boy tbh

[surreal nest]

I thought shiv was a neo nazi

[arctic talon]

He had some ties to them originally based on datamined stuff

He’s part of the Baxter society so

Can’t be

[late verge]

Whats friends of humanity

[rose thorn]

the day he makes a new AOS kitbasht he world will shake

[late verge]

Im a friend of humanity :(

[surreal nest]

literally fantasy noir kkk

[arctic talon]

It’s a group of racists in deadlock

Yeah that

They’re literally just the KKK

[late verge]

NOOOO

[surreal nest]

heres the only excerpt you need to read then you go "OHHHHH THEY ARE A MILITANT GROUP OF CONSERVATIVES"

The Friends of Humanity have rallied in New York to protest against the US Government's aid to Ixia, amid the Ixian War.

[arctic talon]

Except towards the super natural/extra planer/literally anything that isn’t a human

[storm jungle]

DEADLOCK?

ITS LITERALLY FROM XMEN

LMAO

[arctic talon]

Yeah I know they copied it name wise

lol

[storm jungle]

man im glad such militant groups dont exist IRL

[rose thorn]

whats magnito's group called again

[arctic talon]

They’re prolly changing the name or keeping it as a reference

Who knows

[rose thorn]

LMAOOO

[storm jungle]

Brotherhood of Mutants

[arctic talon]

Very subtle lmao

[surreal nest]

i really want to see what they do with Wrecker

[rose thorn]

yeah we should get htose in dead lock

[late verge]

Humanity cannot survive without our nonhuman friends :(

[surreal nest]

he is supposed to be the boogey man of deadlock

[arctic talon]

Butcher of North Ixia 💀

[vagrant fox]

wrong
horses need not exist

[rose thorn]

omfg he can ONLY make space marines now

he has been cursed

[surreal nest]

i mean if anybody needs his services its space marines no?

[arctic talon]

Also somehow the American government actually being not evil in deadlock by supporting north ixia’s fight against something lol

[late verge]

No i would kill myself if horses didnt ecist

[arctic talon]

The American government is still evil

But sending aid to north ixia, is probably not evil

Probably

[rose thorn]

ah yes, ixia, the country ruled by a warlord

[late verge]

Breaking news!:

[surreal nest]

im surprised how not racist venator was

[arctic talon]

Warlords*

[rose thorn]

warlords

[surreal nest]

but then i heard his apollo voice line

then i realized he is insanely racist

[arctic talon]

North ixia is in a warlord state thing

Venator is insanely racist towards ixians that have horns/tails. he just hides it

lol

[rose thorn]

everyone knows that proxy wars are always healthy for the puppet staets

[surreal nest]

not with apollo

[arctic talon]

It’s not a proxy war tbf

[surreal nest]

he makes a crazy crazy comment i gotta find it

[arctic talon]

Something invaded north ixia

And we don’t get more elaboration beyond the fact it’s bad

[late verge]

We need to stop communism

Or something

[arctic talon]

North ixian warlords fighting each other is the norm

Unlike whatever this is

That actually has all the warlords united

lol

[late verge]

TRUST ME GUYS 30 BILLION MORE DOLLARDS TO ARMY BUDGET

[surreal nest]

also my little nitpick but i really hate how sometimes when you level an ability your character just describes what the ability does

its so

dumb

[arctic talon]

Focus M

[rose thorn]

30 TRILLION DOLLARS TO NORTH IXIA

[surreal nest]

you level venator trap and he goes "I will shotgun them into the trap and melee them, then use a grenade!"

LIKE COOL

[arctic talon]

Also what’s horrid is Fairfax is involved in Ixia as a third party

With wrecker+ other mercenary shit lol

North ixia is truly a clusterfuck

[late verge]

Same company that made the hecu in hl1 who literally cant do anything without loudly announcing it first

[arctic talon]

Ty volvo

[arctic talon]

Valve is always afraid of the lowest common denominator being a literal smooth brain

Tbh

Which I don’t really blame them

But it leads to stuff like that

[late verge]

Pls volvo where is hafl life 3

[arctic talon]

Imagine if deadlock was still a half life MOBA lol

[late verge]

No its just called game design

[arctic talon]

A new half life game

“Deadlock”

💀

[arctic talon]

Or people could fucking read their abilities lol

[surreal nest]

what meth was valve on when they originally made deadlock scifi

[arctic talon]

Reading isn’t hard

[late verge]

I understand ur a darktide fan its hard to understand a game trying to be clear to their playerbase

[arctic talon]

Neon prime is really cool actually tbh

But it’s aesthetic was super generic

[vagrant fox]

Haven't read about some of their playtesters, it's not too far off

[arctic talon]

I do not think a character needs to describe their entire optimal combo to you verbatim when you level an ability

Just saying lol

I think having tutorials in place is good

[late verge]

Maybe i GUEEEEESS

[arctic talon]

But in the middle of a game is very strange

like of all the places to put it

[late verge]

But its not "appealing to the lowest common denominator"

[arctic talon]

You put it in a character voice line that doesn’t always trigger and only plays ingame

[late verge]

Its just absolutely making sure you dont miss it

[arctic talon]

I would say that’s helping the lowest common denominator

But it’s fine

[surreal nest]

quite

[arctic talon]

Just a weird design choice

Like just MAKE A TUTORIAL

[surreal nest]

its just kinda lame writing

like you level holliday ult and she goes "time to lasso them into the team" like

ok bro

[late verge]

Bro... oh whatever

[arctic talon]

But I think neon prime did have potential even if valve scrapped the entire fucking thing

Aside from gameplay

[surreal nest]

honestly idk

[arctic talon]

It was cool

[surreal nest]

i think deadlock's vibe sells it so much

[arctic talon]

Even if the aesthetic was generic

[late verge]

WAIT WAS IT???

[arctic talon]

It would have stood out a lot less tbh

[arctic talon]

Yep!

[surreal nest]

who doesn't want a fucking mobster cultist jazz moba

https://tenor.com/view/shovel-knight-shovel-knight-plush-spin-gif-11350607330369591865

[late verge]

https://tenor.com/view/plancton-gif-4547304069248189847

[arctic talon]

The original iteration was called project citadel and was some sort of Combine death sport

We didn’t get much elaboration on it

Beyond some very early WIP videos

[surreal nest]

not as cool as deadlock

[arctic talon]

I’d say of the bunch project citadel was the lamest

But it also never got developed really lol

[surreal nest]

i really want some developer interviews

i wanna know why valve wanted to make a third person shooter movement moba

[arctic talon]

The best you get is Yoshi vagueposting on discord

[late verge]

KILLING YOU STABBING YOU BURNING YOU THROWING YOU IN THE ABYSS AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[surreal nest]

what did i say that was bad

[late verge]

hl moba not being as cool as deadlock

I dont CARE how stupid the idea was i DONT

[surreal nest]

is it because i said schizophrenic

[late verge]

No its cause you said this

[surreal nest]

You will never see another half life title for as long as I live

I am sorry

[late verge]

It was a half life game AND THEY STOLE THAT FROM ME

[near wasp]

They keep talking about dead slop

[surreal nest]

sniffed the air rn and I smelled eggs cooking this conversation is below me

[arctic talon]

Do you have something else you wana yap about

[surreal nest]

i ate dennys breakfast at 3 AM in my car for my lunch at work lets discuss that

[arctic talon]

They scrapped the idea very early on and retooled it for Neon Prime 💀

[late verge]

Darktide is probably going to get an update within the next year :)

[near wasp]

Grandslam which

[arctic talon]

So you should be angrier at neon prime

[near wasp]

Best food item

[vagrant fox]

We can talk about how chickpeas are like 164 calories per 100 grams

[late verge]

DO I LOOK LIKE THE KIND OF PERSON WHO GIVES A FUCK

[arctic talon]

Funny protein

[surreal nest]

you seem like a calm and reasonable person

[late verge]

FUCK NEON PRIME aaawwwaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa

[surreal nest]

i couldnt find a god of war gif in time

[storm jungle]

Worst pandemic this chat has suffered

[surreal nest]

whats even the point anymore

[storm jungle]

i really do feel like we should put most people here to death except me

[surreal nest]

no i can think of a different one

[vagrant fox]

I wonder if we'll ever get a non mober valve game again

[storm jungle]

ill take any of those over this

Sloplock

Yaplock

Dicklock

❌

[arctic talon]

Yes

[surreal nest]

yes

[arctic talon]

Artifact 2

Baby

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[vagrant fox]

Sounds like fake news

[surreal nest]

valve has released a few couple games as of late

[rose thorn]

OYDTSFDYSFSGAGDG

[surreal nest]

well

"late"

[storm jungle]

its not fake news

its uhhh

[arctic talon]

They did also make DOTA underlords

lol

[storm jungle]

real news

[arctic talon]

Which was uh

Not good

💀

[surreal nest]

fuck you

[arctic talon]

Shit got smothered in the cradle by valve lol

[surreal nest]

dont you ever smile

[vagrant fox]

Let me rephrase it to a non mober game that matters

[surreal nest]

yes

[arctic talon]

Artifact the first physical card game in a digital format.

Turns out no one wants to play a physical card game in a digital format

lol

[late verge]

I think we should eat ice cream and wear propeller hats together

[arctic talon]

With very p2w cards and needing you to pay to play ranked

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-rivulet-gif-9220398039228545942

[arctic talon]

What was valve cooking lol

[surreal nest]

valve's next development will be a hero shooter that finally kills overwatch and releases the souls trapped in tf2

[arctic talon]

NOOOOOO RIVULET

RUFFLESSSS

[late verge]

No its gonna be half life 3 trust

[arctic talon]

No but seriously what was valve cooking

competitive card game

you need to pay everyone you want to play ranked

??????

[surreal nest]

they saw hearthstone

[arctic talon]

The worst part is

Artifact is actually a good card game mechanically

It just had the most evil ass monetization for a digital card game known to exist lol

[late verge]

Yeah but yk what else is? Solitaire

[arctic talon]

Yeah

And solitaire is a banger

[vagrant fox]

Mahjong solitaire you say

[arctic talon]

Peak

Mahjong is peak

Except for the part where I lose money

[late verge]

Patchnotes: darktide is now a dating sim

[near wasp]

Who bets money on mahjong

[near wasp]

Good I can now have a threesome with the seer and beloved

[vagrant fox]

Gamblemaxing chads

Never actually learnt how mahjong solitaire works it's pure instinct

[late verge]

YAAAY

[arctic talon]

My family

[outer wave]

Question: if I were to play DoW 1, is it better to use Unification mod or Ultimate Apoc?

[crystal forum]

just let your strongest ancestors guide your hand

[storm jungle]

Unification imo but its kind of an even split

[queen laurel]

it's been awhile since i played unification but it does have Gooner related things just warning you

and things that are just very much false it's a very community infected thingy

[outer wave]

Yeah thats the thing I was kinda fearing: the weird additions that they added to Unification

But I do love alot of the general model work

[outer wave]

Yeaah......

[queen laurel]

remember this Berk remember this i showed you this

[outer wave]

Look

I think Yor is hot

But this is dumb

[daring creek]

Hi what game is this

[outer wave]

DoW 1 unification mod

[queen laurel]

a modded version of dawn of war soulstorm

unification mod

[daring creek]

Noted. Need to finish it

[outer wave]

I only played like 2-4 skirmishes

Tried normal AI as orks because easy AI was REALLY easy and dumb

Got completely stomped and stopped playing

[crystal forum]

freak

[crystal forum]

FREAK

[outer wave]

Me when I think traditionally sexy characters are sexy

[crystal forum]

absolute degenerate

[outer wave]

The most deranged of degenerates, even

[languid meadow]

evil bot in zealot chat

[outer wave]

Really wanted to bless people with 5 grand huh

[languid meadow]

lmfao yea

[outer wave]

If only God were that magnanimous

[daring creek]

You are literally a furry

[crystal forum]

still less of a freak than you

[celest dome]

I would not consider any of the regular here more as a freak than Missus...

[crystal forum]

missus, queen freak

[outer wave]

Da freak Queen....

[daring creek]

Oh how am I freak

not one freaky thing I've said

I haven't even mentioned dreadnoughts so I'm in the clear here

obviously.

[outer wave]

I recall you liking hair

Alot

[daring creek]

which hair

on who

[outer wave]

Not on any particulars, just recall you like body hair alot

[daring creek]

lol I don't remember ever saying that

you must be mistaking me

[outer wave]

It was a month or so ago

[daring creek]

Hm

[outer wave]

Jay, you, and I were in this conversation

[daring creek]

You sure that wasn't femjay saying that

[outer wave]

Nope it was definitely you

Jay likes shaved bodies IIRC

[daring creek]

I wouldn't say I'm huge on body hair but sure

[crystal forum]

i do not like body hair at all

[outer wave]

Case and point

[crystal forum]

clean shaven for me all the way

[daring creek]

And yet you're a furry

hypocrite..

[crystal forum]

AND a gay man

fucked up isn't it

[rose thorn]

Hey isn’t there a psychology major here I can’t remember what something is called

[daring creek]

most furries are queer as fuck anyway

I mean literally look at their music lately

[rose thorn]

Sorry I mean philosophy

[daring creek]

gay as fuck

(I've been listening to a lot of furry music, its actually good)

[celest dome]

Mostly cause LGBT community are much more open to their kinks than more reprobate ones.
So even if you're part of a reprobate community but also a furry, you'll tend to hid it in shame.

[celest dome]

While I'm not, ask away ?

[tough haven]

I’m a psych nurse if that counts

[daring creek]

you're a psyker?

woaw..

[rose thorn]

What was the thoguht process called where you believe that good and bad events lead to the betterment of society? Like if something is bad it teaches society they need to change to avoid that bad thing

It’s been a while since I took sociology

[crystal forum]

usually people are artists first, furry second

which can't be said for all fandoms

[tough haven]

Uhh, yeah that’s more a sociology thing not psychology

[daring creek]

https://tenor.com/view/sheppy-shisha-shisha-sheppy-husky-maid-gif-21097707

is this u femjay

[crystal forum]

perhaps...

[rose thorn]

Is it max webber theory?

[celest dome]

Stoicism ?

[daring creek]

https://tenor.com/view/voksy-fursuit-furry-fox-animal-gif-24186753

[rose thorn]

Ehh I don’t think so

[crystal forum]

they sent you here in lore chat to look after us crazy 40k lore people

[daring creek]

They'll never catch me alive

[crystal forum]

you WILL take your meds

what if i call them good girl pills

[daring creek]

Oh shit right

my meds

[crystal forum]

(they are heavy antipsychotics)

[rose thorn]

The specific example I remember is

[daring creek]

I only take my adderall now

fuck prozac

[tough haven]

I think you’ll have a higher success rate

Btw thank god I’m not a pharma rep

My ass would be broke

Cause I’m too honest and prone to over sharing

[rose thorn]

If you have someone who breaks the laws and rebels against them, if their rebellion leads to a better society then society knows they can get rid of those rules. Additionally if breaking those laws lead to the worsening of people’s lives, Then we know to reinforce those laws

[crystal forum]

with brain meds it's always like 60 side effects and 1 desirable effect from what i can tell lol

[daring creek]

Mine was it made my genitals stop working.

like

[crystal forum]

like dont most antipsychotics cause brain damage or smth

[daring creek]

flatout

[tough haven]

I put a patient off a med cause they wanted education, so I shared the accurate information that the med in question needs to be taken very carefully or theoretically it could kill you

[tough haven]

No

[daring creek]

I stopped that shit immediately.

[tough haven]

That’s a myth

[rose thorn]

It’s like rebelling against the law for BLM compared to rebelling against the law for KKK

[tough haven]

The issue with psych meds is theres no way to tell the effect it will have on someone exactly because all brains work a little differently

So it involves some unavoidable level of trial, observation, and error

[crystal forum]

i took anxiety meds for a bit but the killing of my libido made me quit pretty quickly. if i can't be a horny homo then i legit to do not consider it a life worth living

[rose thorn]

BLM shows that there is rules in society that actively harm minority groups, and the KKK shows that we need to keep pushing towards laws to project minority groups

[daring creek]

REAL

SO FUCKING REAL

My sexuality disappeared

hell fuckin NO

[tough haven]

And when they list all those side effects, the rates of them occurring is usually under 5%, the common ones are usually listed separately

[daring creek]

Do you know how fucking scary that is

[rose thorn]

ANOMIE THEORY!!!

[daring creek]

I am not touching another ssri bruh 🧍‍♀️

[rose thorn]

FUNCTIONALISM!!!

[tough haven]

Talk with your doc about diff anxiety meds, if it’s still an issue, there’s a lot of options, along with meds with off label anti anxiety effects

[rose thorn]

THAT WAS IT

Okay I can make my joke now

[tough haven]

But if non pharmacological options work, great!

[tough haven]

Yeah they aren’t for everyone

[crystal forum]

nah i decided to just find other ways to deal with my anxiety without meds. i already take enough meds as is with my adhd and sleep issues

[tough haven]

Thankfully there’s many options

[daring creek]

yeah like drinking

[tough haven]

Polypharmacy is a concern yeah

[daring creek]

[rose thorn]

He was right from the start….

[tough haven]

Therapy? Mayhaps?

[crystal forum]

yeah thats what i did

[tough haven]

As a medical professional I’m obligated to say don’t do that

[daring creek]

i have therapy tomorrow

[tough haven]

Cool

[tough haven]

Cool

[crystal forum]

how is 32GB "whopping"

[rose thorn]

?????

[crystal forum]

it's like the average gaming pc ram

[rose thorn]

No

[daring creek]

https://tenor.com/view/drunk-driving-monkey-gif-24829206

[rose thorn]

The most ram I’ve ever used was 16

[crystal forum]

mag 16 was the average 10 years ago

[rose thorn]

Jay has rich parents smh

[tough haven]

Lots of folks just choose to do nothing, I always say meds are half the puzzle, therapy/coping skills is the other half, depending on what pieces your missing

[crystal forum]

i bought my ram before the price hikes

[rose thorn]

Not even game consoles have more than 16

[daring creek]

Jay is the wealthy elite

[rose thorn]

Jays parents own stock in black rock

[daring creek]

a furry
rich as fuck

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[crystal forum]

my sister does work at private equity and it's gross

[tough haven]

Btw stigma against psych meds is so bad, that in my area more people statistically use illicit drugs to self medicate than psych meds

Like dawg, if you’re using meth to self medicate adhd, go get a doc to give you adderall, same effect, just safer

And definitely can’t be more expensive

[crystal forum]

i think the push towards convincing parents that adhd meds are bad has caused so much harm

[daring creek]

Does the use of this weapon constitute as drug use

[crystal forum]

it's like one of the few types of brain meds that have the most beneficial effects

[tough haven]

All the docs at my job try not to medicate if they can, but sometimes there’s just genuinely a biochemical deficit no amount of “willpower” can fix

Same for most other mental issues

[daring creek]

being on meds was nice

not having my genitals work was

terrifying really

and like

it was really anxiety inducing

well

namely because I just stopped taking my medication lmfao

and immediately began tweaking

[tough haven]

Sure, you can get pretty far with coping skills and therapy, but in some cases, you just need a little outside help for your brain

[tough haven]

Yeah never do that

That can deadass kill you, or fuck things up worse

[daring creek]

I looked up the side effect and saw "PSSD" and saw that it could last years

[tough haven]

Get your doc to wean you off them safely

[daring creek]

I found a whole community of people who suffered it

[crystal forum]

i knew a guy at my old job who would take speed (pill meth) and he gave me some. it legit just felt like short effect ritalin

[daring creek]

it was something else for sure.

[tough haven]

Like I said, sadly, it’s not an exact science

[crystal forum]

i gave him one of my 5 mg adderalls in return, the weakest dose and he thought it wouldn't affect him at all

turns out it was his most productive day

[tough haven]

Namely because we’re never given resources to properly study and advance the field because of all the taboos

[crystal forum]

guy clearly had adhd

[daring creek]

wow lmao

[tough haven]

And psych isn’t an attractive issue to put money towards as a society

Better to sweep it under the rug

I’m the only existing unit in the whole hospital

[crystal forum]

we would adhd talk for literal hours like i can so clearly tell who has adhd by how long i can talk with them

[tough haven]

People come from across the state cause there’s no options for folks

[tough haven]

As an adhd person, I can just feel it when someone has it

[crystal forum]

but he was in his 60's or smth and he didn't get diagnosed for adhd back when he was a kid

[daring creek]

adhd dar

[tough haven]

I’m like “I like talking to you, do you have adhd?”

[vagrant fox]

Give me one

[tough haven]

Answer is usually less

[tough haven]

It’s chemically similar

But mind you, methylphenidate (adderall) is far safer

[crystal forum]

yeah i looked it up and some meth forms had actual brands at some point

idk why it isn't used as much as amphetamines

[tough haven]

Also fun fact, sharing your adderall is technically illegal as it’s a controlled substance

So be careful with that

[daring creek]

Its a narcotic so yeah

[crystal forum]

meh the speed was already illegal

but it's funny how high my tolerance is

[daring creek]

for?

[crystal forum]

stimulants apparently

[daring creek]

I see

[tough haven]

Stimulant

Narcotics are opioids

Like fentanyl

Or morphine

Have a opposite effect

Fun fact

[crystal forum]

opioids feel like they were intentionally designed to be evil i swear

[tough haven]

Neurodivergent folks have a cool ability called “paradoxical effects” where most substances and meds have an opposite effect, hence why adhd folks can use meth and just get chill and focused, instead of tweaking

Again

Don’t use meth

Used controlled stimulants

[daring creek]

I hate math

[tough haven]

That’s because they were

Literally

We’re only now trying to move away from it in the medical community

If you take a mild opioid as a patient at my job, the amount of protocol involved makes you feel like it’s radioactive or some shit

[heady rivet]

[crystal forum]

started with opium in china and the most recent i can think of is the oxydone scandal that pretty much caused the heroin epidemic

[daring creek]

No wait isn't that ritalin?

[tough haven]

Oh wait maybe

[daring creek]

Adderall is Amphetamine and Dextroamphetamine

[tough haven]

I mix up my stimulants sometimes cause they all sound similar lol

But even still

[near wasp]

Adderal and ritual is nearly the same thing

[tough haven]

Ritalin would work

[tough haven]

False

[daring creek]

it did for me

[tough haven]

Same drug class

Similar effects

Different meds

[crystal forum]

ritalin is a short effect drug normally isn't it

[tough haven]

Different considerations

[tough haven]

Correct

[crystal forum]

it was my first adhd meds

but taking like 3 pills a day was annoying

[tough haven]

It’s the only one I never tried actually

[near wasp]

I had been on both at different points

[daring creek]

why not take the lonng lasting one?

[crystal forum]

i dont think it existed back then

[near wasp]

Eventually I just learned to function with out it

[tough haven]

I use Guanfacine which is a blood pressure med used for adhd off label, which works because ???

Only side effect I’ve had is shocker, lower blood pressure

Which normalized after some time on it

[crystal forum]

isn't that a common side effect for amphetamines

[tough haven]

No

[crystal forum]

i have oddly cold hands

[tough haven]

Actually yes

Forgot about the paradoxical effect

[tough haven]

And for a long time it was tough to get a hold of

Availability crisis for it is why I never was put on it when I was younger

[crystal forum]

i was diagnosed back when adhd was still pretty new i think

i took part in some experiments for mcgill university as a kid lol

[daring creek]

I think I was in 2nd grade when I was diagnosed

I feel like I have autism but Im definitely going entirely by stereotypes

[crystal forum]

you don't need a full diagnosis to know you have autism tbh

[daring creek]

then how'd I know lmao

all I know is I struggle a load with socializing and hate ambulances

and fire trucks

[crystal forum]

it doesn't really change much if you're diagnosed or not, you'll still struggle with socializing and hate ambulances

[daring creek]

but I feel sensitivity to those are relatively new

[dapper gyro]

Yes yes, you are on a spectrum.

Like most of us.

[winged silo]

Including me.

[vagrant fox]

I'm entirely normal and chad

[daring creek]

It's just an obsession for me tbh

[winged silo]

Do you wanna know my #1 rule when making Homebrew 40k lore?

[daring creek]

really want a defined answer

I have ADHD and OCD

so thats 2 things

[dapper gyro]

Happy for you. REALLY happy for you.

[crystal forum]

i know i have autism but definitely not strongly

im way more adhd

also it's kind of annoying how autism being a spectrum is commonly known but people dont seem to know that adhd is also a spectrum

[daring creek]

yea I see it as a randomized set of things

each experience different but quite similar in their own ways

anyway

does anyone other adhder have a weird way of associating things

[crystal forum]

"this person has adhd and they accomplished this" is so annoying to hear for me

[daring creek]

I NEED TO DESTROY MY FATHER

I FUCKING HATE MY FATHER

[daring creek]

He does this

and did this

I hate my old doctor as well for getting him started on that

I hate old men so much </3

[crystal forum]

so true twin

people love downplaying how crippling a mental disorder can be

because it's not full psychotic chizophrenia i guess it's not that bad or smth

[dapper gyro]

Sound threatening.

[daring creek]

I love my father but everyday I want to tell him to go fuck himself lmao

[dapper gyro]

Move away?

[daring creek]

I rightfully hold grudges and am admitedly a hateful person at times

[daring creek]

can I live in your attic I promise I won't do a satanic ritual cuz im bored

[dapper gyro]

Actually, having some ritual might give me something to do.

[vagrant fox]

My dad's more of the "it doesn't matter what you have just work it off" type

It's certainly something to deal with

[crystal forum]

the sad thing is that's just how people with mental disorders actually had to deal with problems back in the day

just ignore the problem and bury yourself in work

[vagrant fox]

Worked great for my family, several deaths from alcoholism

[crystal forum]

that's also a common side effect of living in places where the top hobbies are shoveling snow and snow blindness

[daring creek]

Now that I think about it

from what I've heard

I think a few people in my fathers side has a lot of issues

my moms side is kind of a train wreck

[crystal forum]

humans were never meant to live in places where the northern lights are visible and it's a testament to our stubbornness that people have lived there for millenia

[winged silo]

My father is a deadbeat chud who left me at age 3 and never returned.

[vagrant fox]

No one was ever meant to live below 35th latitude

[crystal forum]

the sheer horror of being able to go outside at any point of the year

[daring creek]

my steak is too buttery

shoot the waiter

[crystal forum]

i'm one of the rare people who would prefer to be too hot over too cold

[vagrant fox]

gay behaviour

Who's cool to play in OWB

[daring creek]

We're dragging you through the mid via pickup truck sadly.

[crystal forum]

like rn?

i could boot up owb

[vagrant fox]

no who should I pick

I'm going to bed in like 2 hours

[crystal forum]

sooo

we could still play

it's funner that way

[crystal forum]

if you want a wild ride take the mad dogs i think they're called

the ones next to robot city

and go for a WARDEN run

[vagrant fox]

Why not

MP another time shit takes forever in my experience

[crystal forum]

awww alright

thats because people are slow

[rocky gale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/cylwzxbf/sunday-preview-reap-the-bone-tithe-with-osseous-reinforcements/

[crystal forum]

they play an rts like it's turn based

[rocky gale]

Did I miss the build up or did they just stealth drop a whole release wave for the Bone guys?

[crystal forum]

why isn't that necron green

[vagrant fox]

I haven't seen any buildup but I haven't looked closely either

[rose thorn]

Are you talking about the last reveal show?

[rocky gale]

Yea were they in it?

[celest dome]

Most were revealed in the last stream show

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[rocky gale]

Oh I must have just ignored that bit

[rose thorn]

?????

It’s before they revealed the thigh master for tzeentch

So fuckin HYPE!!!!

[rose thorn]

Drifter does NOT wash his hands….

[outer wave]

I imagine its permanently stained his hands

[sacred ginkgo]

The baby goat video

[spring cairn]

childhood photo album

[dapper gyro]

Ah, for once second I thought it was something else.

[queen laurel]

Billy the constantly angry goat watching the cutest goat video around

[celest cedar]

https://www.tumblr.com/oxavierart/807304008639414272/close-ups?source=share for the new blood squad

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[jade holly]

Those aren’t stakes on Venator’s bandolier, they’re gigantic cigars

[jade holly]

Who would you guys consider more nihilistic between Perturabo and Kurze?

[arctic talon]

Kurze

[celest dome]

Perturabo is quite not nihilistic

[vagrant fox]

https://klipy.com/gifs/no-no-no-no-no-wait-wait-wait-wait-wait

[last stone]

Kurze is so nihilistic, he is dust

[winged jacinth]

life has meaning for perturabo
build wall

bother iron fists

[crisp heath]

Curze, easily

he quite literally was moved to make the future he saw to be true and how nothing else fucking mattered besides his death

man just let the assassin kill him

Perturabo isn't nihilistic, he just thinks that if you die/failed you were weak and you deserved it pretty much

Death is failure and failure means death

[storm jungle]

Yeah that

Curze was literally the human form of

"NUH UH IM RIGHT. THIS IS TOTALLY GONNA HAPPEN!"

Ruins literally everything he could be because "No fate but what it makes"

[crisp heath]

has literal powers showing him what happens
full opportunity to not let it happen
fucking lets it happen

[storm jungle]

i think the real explanation is bro saw the script and was like

"Welp plot says I gotta be a villain and if i dont i wont get paid rip"

https://klipy.com/gifs/script-destroy

[crisp heath]

I think Curze was one of the few who would never be loyalist
he just wanted an excuse to rebel against Emps cause if he did it alone nobody would join him and he'd be DONE

[storm jungle]

If he was he'd just be Raven Guard but Flays People

and RG themselves are already a really moronic chapter concept wise so lol

prob best Night Lords stuck to being twats

[crisp heath]

but I also think Curze even tried (just not fully attempted to) get himself killed before his vision
like when Vulkan beat the shit out of him Curze didn't even react he just let him be hit and mangled and just went on a "IF YOU DONT KILL ME IT WILL BE YOUR BIGGEST MISTAKE" and Vulkan just let him go

so that probably made him double down on just letting the assassin kill him

[storm jungle]

Vulkan knew if he went against the script and killed Curze GW would blacklist him and his Chapter 😔

[crisp heath]

[storm jungle]

alot of HH is primarchs just being
"I SHOULD DO THIS. BUT I CANT."

Yeah I wonder fucking why lol

[crisp heath]

i like it when theyre twats but at least competent twats
hate how the memes slander the Night Lords to act like theyre scared of fighting other chapters or "overwhelming battles"
they dont fear it they just like having to make other people chase them

[storm jungle]

They are at their best when they are cartoon villains yeah

all the more power to you if you want NL to be deep but like lol

Kazollas the Skintakerflayer is not exactly too morally complex

[near wasp]

Nah you don't understand

[crisp heath]

ah yes, the moral complex character of the Night Lords

Ulzas of the Baby Skinning warband

[near wasp]

He's so deep and complex

[storm jungle]

You see hes complex bcause uhhh

well the Imperium betrayed them idfk

"I WANTED TO SKIN GOODS FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND...."

[near wasp]

You don't understand I have to skin these children

[crisp heath]

(quote said night lord character rambling on about the honor of the legion or some shit)

[storm jungle]

this is ironically most NL stories

[near wasp]

Curze should of just accepted what he was, a monster.

[storm jungle]

like i commend you to try to get readers feel for them but like lmao

[storm jungle]

Yeah and tbh he kinda did but its also just constant circling around it

[crisp heath]

oh yeah the man who was insane and whos brain was getting fucked from the visions he had?

the guy who made a statue of his own father and then lost an argument against it?

[near wasp]

He would of been more sane if he wasn't constantly trying to claim he was doing good

[crisp heath]

"theyre so relatable"

the character in question:

[near wasp]

Like bro get over yourself you like skinning and torturing people even though you claim you dont

His own legion calls curze out on this

[crisp heath]

yeah Curze was not very known for being a sane individual

he basically suffered of space dementia insanity and thought he was good and a monster at the same time

what living in Nostramus does to a mf

[languid meadow]

tbf I think we people say Curze is relatable is when you come accept that there's nothing you can do

not leaning into and making it happen but realizing no matter what you did couldn't stop something bad from happening

like there grains of sand when it comes to each primarch that make some relatable

[rose thorn]

Doing my yearly rewatch of mandalore’s anonymous agony review

It keeps me humble

[nocturne jetty]

Time to check the Eldar Laughing God

💀

The Great fool

[rose thorn]

hey chat, what weapon would you think associates with a warcriminal healer cleric

[crisp heath]

pure hands

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[storm jungle]

is this AOS?

[rose thorn]

no pathfinder

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Id say google some medieval weapons because theres a shit ton but id say maybe something like those backscratcher claw thingies on a mace-like stick maybe

because bruh 😩

[rose thorn]

lmao

[storm jungle]

Another is some chinese weapons because theres some awful ones out there where its entire aim is to maul someone caught in it

like the hook swords

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/se4IAi8WGG1.gif

[storm jungle]

Real.

This bitch is crazy

theres one where she stabs the warden then ballerina step-dances and impales him 😩

[crisp heath]

need me to be the warden while shes doing the execution

[arctic talon]

Dagger

[rose thorn]

my next character is a cleric life oracle who's goal is to force everyone in the world to become immortal by any means necessary

[arctic talon]

Giving a cleric a dagger always makes them seem unhinged

Mace/shortsword/any stereotypical medium/heavy armor is too normal

Giving them some random fucking shiv they found makes them seem off

[vagrant fox]

You can never have too many knives, my father told me. Surely this applies to clerics too

[arctic talon]

Clerics get mauls and maces

And short swords smh

[storm jungle]

blunt weapons are my favorite thing for "nice" characters

because its like the worst weapon you can kill someone with by smashign them to shit

💀

[arctic talon]

The thing is they’re the “default” for clerics

In dnd and pathfinder

So it’s not super off putting

[storm jungle]

Gay as hell

[rose thorn]

"its okay i didnt kill you i just broke all your bones and im leaving you in the middle fo the woods"

[storm jungle]

LMAO

actually speaking of

[arctic talon]

Based

[storm jungle]

a more basic but brutal choice is a warhammer

because holy shit those things are rough

[arctic talon]

Oh like

The sharp ones?

Yeah those things are nasty

[storm jungle]

id say both

sharp end and blunt end

lmao

[arctic talon]

Tbh clerics in dnd/PF having medium or heavy armor proficiency by default is always funny

[vagrant fox]

Indulgences can buy you a nice piece of plate I can get behind it

[arctic talon]

Life Oracles only get med armor

[storm jungle]

Unless that plate has food i dont wanna hear it

[arctic talon]

I’m dumb

[storm jungle]

[dapper gyro]

https://i00.eu/img/602/1024x1024/29mkq7eo/110681.jpg

It was an actual thing back in the day.

Cleric is supposed to be pure and righteous... then you thrust people with this...

[celest dome]

I'm still fond of the Priest with flails

[crisp heath]

gyat damn

[vagrant fox]

I should own a bollock dagger

[dapper gyro]

It is literally called the Bollock dagger...

Maybe not war crime, but sure as hell maniac,

[vagrant fox]

To be worn chadly

[rose thorn]

wtd isa war razor supopsed ot look like?

is it like tose spanish switch knives

[dapper gyro]

Your enemy will wonder if it is worth it to even fight you.

[arctic talon]

War razor?

[dapper gyro]

Never hear of war razor before. Sound like some make up shit.

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/pathfinder/images/d/d7/War_razor_item_card.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20091124203802

It is made up

It’s a thing in pathfinder

[rose thorn]

ah

[dapper gyro]

Like saying war carving knife.

[vagrant fox]

I was imagining a faussart

Or something

[arctic talon]

Same vaguely

A lot of the weird pathfinder weapons have art often

Not always but they often do

[celest dome]

Maybe a Navaja knife ?

[dapper gyro]

The word is literally "pocket knife" for spanish.

[arctic talon]

A pocket knife is a dagger if you squint hard enough

[celest dome]

They can require some big pockets

[rose thorn]

peak

[near wasp]

I want

[spring cairn]

pocket...

deadlock reference

[sterile echo]

Throughout the game and in the torrent especially, all the charecters are always talking about gangs and cartels and how dangerous it is to be there, and i have so many questions- How is there organized crime able to survive in an entire civilization defined by order? How do they even allow there to be crime? Fascism it supposed to provide security at the total expense of freedom, and they cant manage even that? Isn't this the capital city and planet of an incredibly important sector? Do the arbites not actually do anything?

[celest dome]

The Imperium isn't really set around "Order"

Fascist states often have a higher degree of criminality

[sterile echo]

Even the current event, Cartel's Favours- there's an illegal drug cartel eager to "how its worth"? are the gangsters working with the nobles/inquisition?

[arctic talon]

Yes

The criminals are working with the inqusition

[celest dome]

Torrent is basically the gutters of Tertium, so while it is the "Capital", it's places where the Enforcers are limited in what they can even do

[arctic talon]

Who are working with the nobles

Authority ultimately is not infinite

And where imperial authority is missing

[sterile echo]

I thought that was the whole theming. Everything standardized, no freedom, no variance, all uniform- as a juxtaposition to the forces of.. Chaos

[arctic talon]

Gangs fill its space

[arctic talon]

That’s what the imperium wants, but it can only enforce so much

And on some worlds

Gangs are part of the nobility

I.E necromunda and vargaunta

They’re part of the feudal hierarchy on those worlds

[celest dome]

Also the Imperial authority benefit from the criminal gangs more often than not, with Gangs overseeing productions, organising local life, and stemming anti-Imperial sentiment.

[sterile echo]

But how is there anywhere where imperial authority is missing
i thought that was the whole point of the imperium both as a setting and an in-universe civilization

[arctic talon]

Because it’s not infinite

[young pecan]

I JUST got a new pocket knife today

[arctic talon]

They do not have infinite trusted manpower on every world

[young pecan]

Last one was in 2016

[arctic talon]

They have other things they need it for

[celest dome]

No, the Imperium is very much meant to be the worst way one could do to fight against Chaos, they're just Chaos n°2

[arctic talon]

The enforcers weren’t in the torrent because there was no real value to extract from it anymore

Beyond labor force

The water cartel filled in as the “order” for that place

[celest dome]

I don't think I ever bought a pocket knife or got one as a gift

[storm jungle]

The state you are picturing is something like Super Earth from Helldivers

where its peak Starship Troopers fascism. Fake utopian-dystopias where everything is "uniform".

[arctic talon]

Tbh culturally imperial worlds can be quite diverse

Is the funny thing

[young pecan]

Helldivers is probably the Imperium if the Imperial Truth worked 100% of the time LMAO

[arctic talon]

Too much capitalism for the emperor

[celest dome]

A big example of the Imperium not being "Order" exemplified is the Commissar, them being needed...

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

The emperor wanted a command economy

Which kind of happened

Ignoring all the feudalistic stuff

lol

[storm jungle]

Also Super Earth actively enforces no cultural taboos to exist, the Imperium is a lot less loose because they simply just dont wanna bother managing it.

[young pecan]

Emperor wanted "you will eat bugs and you will be happy"

[sterile echo]

I thnink of them as the ultimate embodiment of tyrannical, uncomprimizing order

[storm jungle]

also Super Earth itself even has banned all religion and uses their own fascist version instead.

Replacing any other freedom of theocratic expression instead with their own cult

[arctic talon]

Tbf the imperium did that as well

lol

It just failed and we got a different all consuming religious cult

[storm jungle]

Yeah that lol

[young pecan]

I was going to say it sounds like what they wanted to do but failed

[arctic talon]

A one that allows pretty liberal interpretation of scripture but still

[storm jungle]

My point was more atheism across an empire never works

[storm jungle]

people NEED to worship something

[sterile echo]

the more i learn about warhammer the more i dislike it...

[storm jungle]

Welcome aboard!

also yeah the Imperium is dogshit for a reason

[young pecan]

So what part specifically do you dislike

[storm jungle]

thts the fun aspect

[celest dome]

Imperium is extreme fascism, authoritarian, inefficient and amoral

[winged jacinth]

super earth is much smaller in scale and in MUCH MUCH better self contact

[celest dome]

The Imperium isn't meant to be a good guy

[storm jungle]

Yeah and even at THAT state they still have dissidents in the millions.

if they were actually galaxy wide their problems would be even bigger

[winged jacinth]

no matter what terra wants to do in the imperium it has to go through a game of telephone maybe hundreds of years long to reach fringe worlds

[vagrant fox]

The Imperium is bloated, decaying, and overstretched. They can't enforce uniformity if they wanted to

[young pecan]

I am pretty sure in an ideal state that accomodates and represents all citizens equally, an atheistic state is very reasonable

If you mean specifically in 40k's setting yeah it's fried

[storm jungle]

Its very much not, humans as we are need a higher coping mechanism.

[sterile echo]

How everything is dark and edgy and there's no hope or lesson or story
Its just being edgy and pretending that makes it mature

[winged jacinth]

super earth's advantages also come with the downside that their dissidents have equivalent communication which is something that helps the imperium out a whole lot

[sterile echo]

So like.. whats the point?

[storm jungle]

Nooot really

[storm jungle]

Its funny.

[arctic talon]

It’s a batshit insane hopeless setting and that’s fun in its own way

[celest dome]

To sell plastic figurines

[arctic talon]

The message is that humanity screwed itself repeatedly

[sterile echo]

How can hopelessness be 'fun'?

[arctic talon]

Also yeah to sell plastic

[storm jungle]

Because its goofy af

[winged jacinth]

clearly never played dwarf fortress

[nocturne jetty]

No dwarfs in DT

[vagrant fox]

There's some nice people, or somewhat nice people at times. The bleakness is the draw to me

[sterile echo]

Hopelessness isnt goofy
And yeah, WH is at its best when its goofy

but..

[arctic talon]

I mean at its core WH40k is a hopeless setting

[rose thorn]

Where it is darkest the light shines brightest!

[arctic talon]

It has been hopeless since rogue trader lol

It’s dark humor

In how horrid it is

[rose thorn]

The arrival of the starchildren commith!

[arctic talon]

2e and 3e toned in on the type of how shit it was

[sterile echo]

The real world is horrible enough. I dont get how we can extract 'humour' from that.

[winged jacinth]

i feel like hopeless is the wrong word for 40k
bleak is definitely right
theres a sense that things could improve but every force in the galaxy is working to keep it from happening

[arctic talon]

While RT was all in on satire

[arctic talon]

This is better prolly yeah

[winged jacinth]

which itself is kinda the exact same political satire lol

[young pecan]

People need coping mechanisms because of their worldly struggles, which a powerful but moral system would solve, spiritual struggles can be solved by putting people in tune with morality

[arctic talon]

Because there’s something horrifyingly comedic about a factory designed entirely to lobotomize people and then them into mindless drones

It’s so evil it goes around to being absurd and humorous

[storm jungle]

Kinda but people still need religion.

[young pecan]

If you have to worship something, worship the impact that actions have on others

[winged jacinth]

the imperium is kinda rooted in thatcherite england actively making life worse for everyone lol

[arctic talon]

The imperium is incredibly evil

That’s what makes it fun to me

[young pecan]

There's something spiritual about that in my eyes

[celest dome]

I mean, i don't think most people go to warhammer for that sort of escapism, there are some much lighter settings for that.

[arctic talon]

Being an evil faction is fun on a tabletop game sometimes

[arctic talon]

Yeah that also

[sterile echo]

And if it was supposed to be satire, which it works way better as, it forgot that long ago. Its just.. immature now.

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

40k at its core is a wargame

[storm jungle]

I mean no its not immature

[sterile echo]

'sort'?

[arctic talon]

It hasn’t been proper satire since 2e/3e

[celest dome]

Warhammer is at 1st satirizing the extremes

[arctic talon]

Yeah rogue trader was very much a satirization of Thatcher era politics

[sterile echo]

There is??

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah?

[rose thorn]

its great! see what consequences come from the wrost possible series of events. I love the GSC because it is probably the best outcome for the average citizen in the imperium

[winged jacinth]

i think thats the core thing yeah
its NOT an escapist universe you'd like to be in
it's a ad absurdum satire of real political horrors

[arctic talon]

Warhammer is a warning

Of what the worst of humanity can become

[rose thorn]

NOW AOS! thats where the hope lives

[arctic talon]

AoS and whfb are both more hopeful

[celest dome]

Indeed

[arctic talon]

Though whfb kind of fucking blows up

[rose thorn]

it is a setting about hope and the cruelity of poeple abusing it

[arctic talon]

40k is the origination of the term “grimdark”

lol

There is hope at a small scale in 40k

[celest dome]

And Grimderp

[arctic talon]

But never anything large scale

[winged jacinth]

do people in AOS know a reality got blown up before them

[arctic talon]

Good things can happen

[rose thorn]

Hope in TOW: "maybe the not white peole will stay where they live"

[arctic talon]

But not to the whole galaxy

[rose thorn]

yes

[celest dome]

Think as myth

[arctic talon]

Yeah it’s known of as myth

[sterile echo]

Its not fun when there's no good rising against you and stopping you. Then its just dark.

[arctic talon]

Some people know it’s the truth

[arctic talon]

It’s evil fighting evil that’s fun

There’s lesser and greater evils

[winged jacinth]

i guess sigmar wasnt actually doing shit the same way so its not like you'd be hopeless knowing the truth

[celest dome]

Kinda like we have myth of Christian floods, Norsi Ragnarok...

[arctic talon]

But every major faction in 40k is evil

[sterile echo]

If the political horrors are real, then its not absurdism

[celest dome]

It's not the sort of setting it's meant to be 🤷

[winged jacinth]

things are more in good people's favor in AOS in the grand scheme that it was in WHFB i think (even ignoring that they lost at the end)

[arctic talon]

I mean it is absurdism because it’s gone to an insane conclusion

[winged jacinth]

it's taken to the maximum extreme yeah

[rose thorn]

doomism brainrot

[winged jacinth]

as in reductio ad abusurdum

[sterile echo]

Then its a bad setting. We've reached my original point.

[arctic talon]

I disagree with that statement?

I mean you can dislike it but thats a subjective thing

[winged jacinth]

real life is a terrible setting...

[arctic talon]

truth nuke

[celest dome]

It's not, it's an interesting setting.

[sterile echo]

Exactly
so why are we imagining it to be even worse

[winged jacinth]

if every setting was star wars scifi would not be interesting

[arctic talon]

Because thats fun?

the absurdity of shit getting even worse is fun

[celest dome]

**Good vs Evil **isn't the only good type of setting

[arctic talon]

It shows that while it sucks in real life you can fight for something brighter in real life

and not let it all fucking go to shit

[rose thorn]

its funny, i like my bugmen using IEDs on the space marines

[arctic talon]

40k is a warning not aspirational

[winged jacinth]

science fiction has ALWAYS been about exploring potential futures, good and bad

some of the oldest stuff is absolutely dystopian

i mean

dystopias were invented by early science fiction

[celest dome]

Is "Brand New World" a bad setting ?

Is "Animal Farm"

[arctic talon]

hit GSC rulebook/j

[winged jacinth]

brand new world is honestly a topia

its not really that bad

[rose thorn]

FACTS!

[celest dome]

Farenheit 58 had a good faction iirc

[winged jacinth]

sorry deltas

[arctic talon]

💀

[sterile echo]

In contrived ways, yes

[sterile echo]

Yes

[arctic talon]

okay so you dislike any setting thats bleak even if it has a message

[winged jacinth]

not a utopia mind just a topia

[rose thorn]

wtf is brand new world and animal farm???

[arctic talon]

is what I'm getting from you

[celest dome]

May I ask how old you are ?

[sterile echo]

Because they were created before 'warning stories' dominated our media

[storm jungle]

@sterile echo Id highly suggest if you want a Warhammer setting with proper good guys look up Warhammer Fantasy or Age of Sigmar its sequel setting.

Those universes have actual human factions that arent dogshit space nazis and actually fight against literal forces of darkness while having fault sof their own.

[sterile echo]

We're going way too fast.

[storm jungle]

They got tons to read

[celest dome]

2 famous political writings that are very famous

[winged jacinth]

you should read star wars EU books about the rebels

i hear theres a trillion

[storm jungle]

also Andor, PEAK

[rose thorn]

recommednign people TOW smh...

[arctic talon]

40k was made in 1987 so I'd say it predates all the current wave of stuff

[young pecan]

I personally like 40k's grim humanity because it makes the good parts within it even cooler

[arctic talon]

lol

[sterile echo]

So long as the message is hopeful, no

[winged jacinth]

i know you havent read it but i would love to know what you think of The Culture

[arctic talon]

The message is to NOT LET THIS HAPPEN

in the context of 40k

that is the message of the setting

[sterile echo]

No.

[arctic talon]

The message is not "everything sucks and will not ever improve"

it is DO NOT LET THE WORLD GET TO THIS POINT