40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

but not in this case

mark 1 armour sucked ass

[rocky gale]

The exception being Relic armour of the older marks because as said those are Artisan pieces that usually have special bits and have the flaws fixed

[crystal forum]

ye anything custom made is usually top of the line

[jade holly]

For Primaris marines is Tacticus the only new armor for them or is Phobos and Gravis also made freshly new for them as well? I know Terminators were around before Primaris

Unless the new Termie armor is made for Primaris too

[rocky gale]

Yea Phobos and Gravis are both Primaris as well as Tacitus

[crystal forum]

gravis and phobos didnt exist before primaris

if that's what the question is asking

[rocky gale]

and the new Terms don't diferentiate between Firstborn and Primaris

Meaning they're Primaris

Because Firstborn are all dead

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I generally think Imperium technology was just made to be more rugged in general.

Which is why it generally downgraded.

[opaque coyote]

Or transformed.

Or Chaos

But they aren't really... Either anymore

[jade holly]

There’s no more Firstborn?

No wait there totally is

[opaque coyote]

I generally think they got an upgrade from the Chaos Gods to be on par though

[jade holly]

No wait

[rocky gale]

They stopped differentiating between them in rules because they're almost completely phased out

Firstborn be gone

[valid needle]

No they aren’t

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/theoden-crying-theoden-king-theoden-crying-lotr-gif-20134835

[crystal forum]

meh i don't like to apply any real world logic to this because 40k explicitly has vague tech regression

[jade holly]

Dante’s Primaris now right?

[rocky gale]

Ye

[vagrant fox]

Yea

[crystal forum]

older imperium tech was sometimes more rugged even

[opaque coyote]

True.

Either way I think Mark 7 was made just after the Heresy and stayed that way for 10k years so that might not even count

[valid needle]

Primaris hasn’t even been fully rolled out yet, there’s still chapters that are mostly firstborn.

[opaque coyote]

Lore wise at least, gameplay

Oops all primaris

[rocky gale]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ha-ha-ha-happy-2

[valid needle]

Oh yes all firstborns have died within not even 100 years since Primaris very first got introduced.

[rocky gale]

Killed or crossed the Rubicon

[valid needle]

Explain Carcharadons

[opaque coyote]

But yeah I think that's mainly because the 1st mark was basically just...

Glorified metal armor with some power.

[rocky gale]

How many people are travelling by horse and cart 100 years after the car got invented?

[crystal forum]

aren't they also primaris now

[valid needle]

No

[storm jungle]

They are

[opaque coyote]

Basically literally nowhere to go but up in this case

[valid needle]

Mostly all firstborn

[storm jungle]

lmao

the new book literally has this as a plotpoint

firstborn are being replaced

[valid needle]

Bruh

[jade holly]

Damnit it didn’t send how I wanted it too

Ah well

[valid needle]

They Slopmaris my firstborns

[vagrant fox]

my nostalgia, how could they do this

[storm jungle]

i cant believe they replaced slopmarines with more slopmarines

the horror

[rocky gale]

Better burn all your Firstborn in protest, I'd hate that

[jade holly]

5 billion pounds of plastic to slopmarines

[solid horizon]

slopmarines never end

[valid needle]

I can’t believe they killed off all experienced marines and replaced them with non experienced new guys

[vagrant fox]

We should go back to the glorydays of pinhead marines and no primaris slop

[rocky gale]

Crossing the Rubicon is also an option

[crystal forum]

still leagues better than any carapace you can find, probably

[solid horizon]

this reminds me my brother still has the original metal marneus calgar mini

[jade holly]

Fellas, what if we use Horus Heresy marines? Then we still have slopmarines

[valid needle]

Slopmaris and my zero drip mark x

[jade holly]

[opaque coyote]

Mostly phased out.

The Amish notably still use it.

And also some towns offer it but it's mainly for tourism.

But generally it actually died with the train.

[vagrant fox]

I'd die before I get anything Horus Snoosezy

[opaque coyote]

The car basically appeared after it already died

[solid horizon]

which realistically, compared to other minis, is a ridiculous midget

[rocky gale]

Just like Firstborn, only the Amish still use them

[winged jacinth]

Being a space marine has high turnover and if you're the kind of firstborn space marine that doesn't get killed the first time they see a termagaunt you're a rubicon candidate

[jade holly]

Is it wrong to want Necron Pariahs brought back and reworked to fit modern lore?

[opaque coyote]

Ehhhh.

It wasn't even made out of carapace

[vagrant fox]

yes

[opaque coyote]

It was literally just steel armor

[vagrant fox]

no more necrons

[solid horizon]

absolutely not

[opaque coyote]

With some power

The legs also weren't powered

[solid horizon]

luv me umies mummified in living metal

[winged jacinth]

Pariahs were cool

[jade holly]

Give me a rat bastard human who betrayed humanity to get himself a Necrodermis body to survive past humanity’s fall

[opaque coyote]

Basically it was the Emperor working with what he had

And he didn't have much for widespread armaments

[solid horizon]

the archeologist from dawn of war

[opaque coyote]

Even the custodes basically used shit tier equipment

[winged jacinth]

I don't think they want humanoids called pariahs for real world reason (see also books almost exclusively using blank)

[opaque coyote]

They only got their fancy aura mite stuff after the solar system was under heel

[crystal forum]

that's the thing though, what he had was the remnants of dark age tech. the stuff that was considered trash back in the unification wars would be highly priced relics in 40k

[storm jungle]

Thats definitely not the case lol

the entire reason pariahs even got phased out was due to tabletop reasons

as their role got filled by lychguard

[crystal forum]

also i don't know if i said this before but "techno barbarians" is such a rad concept

[jade holly]

Weren’t they sent to Legends lorewise because they were made during the War in Heaven which doesn’t work cause humans weren’t around then?

[storm jungle]

no

[crystal forum]

i wish we saw techno barbarians more

[opaque coyote]

Some of it were but they were mostly weapons and exclusive to the warlords.

Again, the armor the TW generally had were "stamped metal armor with some power." Same with general combatants. I think some were even noted to use muskets.

[storm jungle]

lychguard just replaced them

[jade holly]

Where tf did I hear that?

[opaque coyote]

Basically the ceiling was high for sure

[jade holly]

[solid horizon]

yes but

[opaque coyote]

But the floor was basically uhh

Rock fucking bottom

[storm jungle]

grimdank probably

[storm jungle]

no butts

[solid horizon]

bionicle dudes are cooler

[jade holly]

I don’t use that Reddit server

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

even the shittiest powered armour is beyond reach of most imperials. the scale is different here

[storm jungle]

the taint it carries spreads beyond it

[solid horizon]

bionicle type shit

[storm jungle]

bro needs to move on from 1969

[winged jacinth]

I mostly meant even if pariahs came back they'd use a different name because of the association with real world caste discrimination

[storm jungle]

Nah

[jade holly]

Is there any feasible way to make Pariahs come back?

[storm jungle]

40k doesnt care about that shit

barely anyone uses the word "pariah"

[storm jungle]

Human experimentation that Szarekhan dynasty is doing, boom

[jade holly]

Szeras do a funny

[storm jungle]

Hes a chud but yes

[solid horizon]

I mean, that's the only existing pariah model

[crystal forum]

what about the taint i carry

[storm jungle]

bad

[winged jacinth]

"Check out our new necron units we're calling them Dalits"

[solid horizon]

different poses exist of course

[storm jungle]

too small

[crystal forum]

aw

[storm jungle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/little-cat-walking

[solid horizon]

you smell like nurgle

[storm jungle]

👎

[jade holly]

I do want a character who was human but betrayed humanity and became a Necron but idk how well that even works in lore unless they just get a Warrior body as a Monkey’s Paw maneuver

[opaque coyote]

True. But unlike SM PA which is exclusive to the SMs because of the black carapace. And Imperium Power Armor for humans.

The MK1 could only be used by the TW because the legs were unpowered. You would literally struggle to move them because they were a hunk of solid steel strapped to your legs.

[winged jacinth]

As far as im concerned the true pariah model is the dawn of war one

[storm jungle]

Humans are literal trash to necrons

[jade holly]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

pariahs themselves were essentially brainwashed servants

and basically glazers

[solid horizon]

it's based on the metal mini as most of the other necron models in the game are

[winged jacinth]

They didn't have blackstone back then did they?

[storm jungle]

Nah

[opaque coyote]

Necrons are literal trash to Necrons basically. If they literally had civilians live in dirt hits while they have space ships that can break physics.

How the fuck do you think they would treat humanity? They can barely care about themselves

[storm jungle]

blackstone got introduced later

[crystal forum]

oh yeah idk why they even bothered to power the thing. TW were extremely physically strong

[storm jungle]

Not really no.

warriors still have some value

humans are like subhuman tier trash

[crystal forum]

true we are

[solid horizon]

so that's like

[winged jacinth]

I mostly remember pariahs as being antipsyker weapons and then not having much other lore because oldcrons

[storm jungle]

low

[solid horizon]

negative infinite loop of badness

[storm jungle]

thats basically due to them being made from blanks

[solid horizon]

very necron reasonning of you

[opaque coyote]

Because apparently the chest still amplified strength by 3-4x.

It was also apparently incredibly noisy. Like "2010 gaming laptop opening up crysis" type of fan noise.

[winged jacinth]

Yeah how they were made was one of the few things they covered

Presumably picked up by the harvester ships

[storm jungle]

but basically theres nothing stopping Pariahs from coming back

they'll prob get minis at some point

GW loves nostalgia bait

[winged jacinth]

What the fuck were the harvester ships for

[solid horizon]

I mean

[storm jungle]

crazy concept but uh

[jade holly]

To really give a model depth in painting I just need the base coat, a wash and a highlight right?

[storm jungle]

to harvest

[solid horizon]

they brought back wraiths, sort of

[opaque coyote]

And it might even be an improvement. I like the Votann.

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

What? They're cool

[winged jacinth]

For what purpose i mean im not an idiot

[rocky gale]

Probably just give them a new name

[storm jungle]

to get human slaves and shit

[opaque coyote]

The space dwarves are cool

[storm jungle]

theres artwork of it

or just experimentation and shit we dont know about

[opaque coyote]

I mean pariah is basically just a catch all term for blank now

[rocky gale]

Too many Pariah's in 40k atm without adding them back

[winged jacinth]

Ah classic oldcrons

[rocky gale]

Also Pariah Nexus

[opaque coyote]

I do agree the Oldcrons had a menace to them.

But also God damn are the Necrons so much better.

[storm jungle]

Oldcrons were always lame

[winged jacinth]

Oldcron lore was unique in that it was usually single layered

[storm jungle]

they literally had nothing but "OH NOO THEY ARE SILENT AND SPOOKY"

[solid horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

[jade holly]

Szarekh also only recently came back in lore right?

[storm jungle]

that gimmick runs old after like 2 readings

[opaque coyote]

Oldcrons are basically just aura farmers

[storm jungle]

Hes been around since 5th edition

[opaque coyote]

Like literally that's what they are

[storm jungle]

👎

[opaque coyote]

That was their purpose

[jade holly]

But on tabletop he’s only been around since 9e?

[storm jungle]

yes

[solid horizon]

necrons speaking in human language is lame ngl

[jade holly]

Damn

[winged jacinth]

Oldcron lore is a lot of
"Necrons do this thing"
"Why"
"Dunno"
Lol

[opaque coyote]

You can boo me.

But I know I am right.

[storm jungle]

thats basically every xenos in 40k tbh

[opaque coyote]

cough

[storm jungle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/slap-13676

[jade holly]

Oldcrons tldr:

THE TIME OF MAN HAS COME TO AN END 🗣️ 🔥

[opaque coyote]

No relation to a certain cuck chair sitting emperor

[storm jungle]

but Szarekh was in the setting for a long while, they just explaiend his presence in the galaxy as him sneaking around

[solid horizon]

necrons are metal dudes that did long long mimir

[winged jacinth]

Presumably necrons don't need to vocally speak to each other at all its just for us to read

[solid horizon]

woke up and chose violence

[storm jungle]

he makes his big public debut in 9th

[jade holly]

Bro went on side quests during his exile

[winged jacinth]

And then learning gothic would be trivial for a sapient necron

[storm jungle]

That was before he came into the galaxy

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I can imagine they do but it's only as a measure to keep themselves sane.

[storm jungle]

hes been in the milky way since 5th

[opaque coyote]

Like to act like they still have flesh

[jade holly]

So he was a “we talk about him but never see or hear him” sort of guy

[opaque coyote]

So they talk out loud

Whisper

Etc.

[storm jungle]

yes

most people even forgot this was a thing

[solid horizon]

what about flayed ones

[jade holly]

Ah

[solid horizon]

they still have flesh, more or less

[opaque coyote]

Well they got their skin back, so of course they can talk now

[winged jacinth]

Low gothic is kinda implied to be really easy to learn

[opaque coyote]

Clearly

[solid horizon]

playing those vocal cords like a saxophone

[opaque coyote]

...feels cold. My skin? Where is my SKIN

Give me your skin

Give me it

I can't BREATHE

GIVE ME YOUR SKIII

[winged jacinth]

called flayed ones
they flay other people instead

[opaque coyote]

Split second cringe roleplay aside.

[storm jungle]

actual nerd emoji

[solid horizon]

(dies in a picosecond after encountering a marines in melee)

[opaque coyote]

Flayed ones are creepy af

[jade holly]

Flayed Ones are peak body horror

[solid horizon]

I call them Ham Dudes

[opaque coyote]

You can argue the bio transference is their flaying

After all they are literally metal skeletons

[jade holly]

Send a Flayed One to DbD why not

[winged jacinth]

And then the gauss flayers don't flay people

[storm jungle]

I mean they do

[opaque coyote]

They are technically "pre-flayed" already

[storm jungle]

molecule by molecule

[solid horizon]

not even a custom

[storm jungle]

its why they got the name lol

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-cope-warhammer-meme-shut-up-gif-24598622

[storm jungle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/slap-13676

[solid horizon]

I wish the gauss flayer was that efficient on the tabletop game instead of a 1800s flintlock rifle

[winged jacinth]

Necron guns are peak 40k space magic

[opaque coyote]

Also as a side tangent, love how the animation looks on that

[solid horizon]

it's only really efficient within 12" range

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/tcFpbAdbnnU?si=_XesHoul1gAx02LD

[solid horizon]

necrons are NEVER reaching this range considering how slow they are

[winged jacinth]

"How does it work"
"[Explanation that doesnt make any sense]"
"Thanks codex author"

"Magnets"

[jade holly]

Laughs in Monolith

[storm jungle]

quantum quantum quantum

[opaque coyote]

Whenever that happens I like to imagine it's in-universe and it's a tech priest attempting to explain how it works

[solid horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/zulu-dance-night-boat-to-cairo-gif-19990828

[storm jungle]

holy shit do necron writers love the word quantum

[opaque coyote]

And failing because they don't understand it

[jade holly]

Quick we got science shit that’s above our intelligence

DROP THE QUANTUM MUMBO JUMBO

[solid horizon]

QUANTUM PHASING OF HYPERSPACE AND TIME

[winged jacinth]

I think scifi writers should be forced to take introductory physics

[storm jungle]

that

[storm jungle]

that

anyway

[opaque coyote]

Average scifi writer moment

[storm jungle]

i made an entire list of these terms

let me get em

[winged jacinth]

They looove phase lmao

[opaque coyote]

Quantum is their #1 buzzword

[solid horizon]

meanwhile necrons on the tabletop game :
-> infantryslop with good vehicles and politics simulator (JFK assassination)

[opaque coyote]

Any futuristic setting will guarantee something is quantum

[jade holly]

Necrons on tabletop:
60 warriors and a Szeras

[winged jacinth]

I should learn how to unpack epubs so i can get a folder of ebooks and do stuff like find the most common words

[crystal forum]

i doubt the noise mattered when the TW were always just charging in open battle on huge fields with explosions everywhere lol

[storm jungle]

• Stasis Fields
• Temporal Stabilisers
• Null Field Matrix
• Nodal Infinity Matrix
• Dimensional Destabilisation Matrix
• Chrono-loop Prism
• Hyperspace Corridors
• Quantum Shielding
• Hyper-fractal Equations

tip of the iceberg btw

[solid horizon]

120 NECRON INFINITE PHALANX !!! raaaahhh dunk dunk dunk

[opaque coyote]

Actually not even futuristic. It can take place in 1912 and quantum still appears.

Cough BIOSHOCK INFINITE COUGH

[winged jacinth]

Stasis field is fine and then everything else is

[jade holly]

Don’t forget the Hyperspace Oubliette

[storm jungle]

like i said tip of the iceberg

necrons also have like

wormholes

blackholes

hyperspace

pocket dimensions

lmao

[solid horizon]

matrix is probably the only legitimate word there considering how much they love green scriptures

[storm jungle]

probably

[winged jacinth]

Its really funny that hyperspace exists in 40k but everyone is too busy using hell instead to notice

[opaque coyote]

The only terms that make sense are like

The first two.

The rest is literally just nonsense

[jade holly]

Woe Szeras Technomancer 120 warrior blob with the Cryptek Conclave

[solid horizon]

pocket dimension my beloved (flayed ones spam in DoW)

[jade holly]

or Plasmancer

[storm jungle]

no

[storm jungle]

they use pocket dimensions for basically everything

its not even just flayed ones

[jade holly]

FTL travel? We just use wormholes and pocket dimensions

[crystal forum]

quantum shielding just letting bullets go through itself and hit you

[solid horizon]

yes I know but in dawn of war they are the one to use it as a gameplay mechanic

[storm jungle]

oh my god

NO ONE CARES ABOUT DAWN OF WAR

[winged jacinth]

A matrix can just mean a 3d structure that isnt space-filling

[storm jungle]

💀

[solid horizon]

(their animation literally shows them crawling from the ground anyways)

[opaque coyote]

"YOU WILL RELEASE US!"

"Nah you and your Deldar friends are stuck here lol"

[jade holly]

B-b-b-b-but muh Lion

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

shut up

[winged jacinth]

Don't the flayed ones have some kind of whole awful flayed one dimension

[storm jungle]

yeah they do

[opaque coyote]

Yup

[solid horizon]

not you maybe, but you probably don't even care about your own life

[crystal forum]

we're living in a mathematical array

[storm jungle]

Very edgy 🫡

anyway

[jade holly]

And Imotekh made a bunch of special scarabs that turns some poor bastard into a Flayed One homing beacon

[solid horizon]

welcome to wh40k lass

[storm jungle]

tbh hes basically a war crminal

[solid horizon]

everythings edgy and pointy

[storm jungle]

what does 40k have to d owith my own life

[jade holly]

Basically? He wrote the book on warcrimes

[opaque coyote]

"doing a little bit of trolling"

[storm jungle]

keep on point

🙂‍↔️

anyway its this weird ass thing

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ghostwind

literally made up for Twice Dead King lol

[winged jacinth]

"In a polyacrylamide matrix" is actually a thing i said today

[storm jungle]

man id pay a lot of money to have an actual scientist react/read necron stuff

[winged jacinth]

Im a necron...

[storm jungle]

and explain "Okay so heres how this could actually exist"

[opaque coyote]

"It is thought by some Crypteks to be the lowest metadimension and a place where reality is an impossible concept. "

What the fuck does that even mean

[winged jacinth]

Ill send you my venmo

[storm jungle]

[solid horizon]

"hold on babe im hyperphasing in my infinite quantum pocket dimension matrix"

[opaque coyote]

Like genuinely

[crystal forum]

vector, matrix and quantum are words that are overused

[jade holly]

Who tf would willingly enter the Flayed Ones’ pocket dimension?

[opaque coyote]

What the fuck is a meta dimension

[storm jungle]

quantum and matrix are the most overused ones yeah

[storm jungle]

fast travel

[crystal forum]

why does vector even sound cool idk how but it does

[solid horizon]

meat lovers

[storm jungle]

its the "tor" part

it makes anything sound cool

[jade holly]

I guess it’s basically their Warp travel

[storm jungle]

thats Dolmen Gates

[winged jacinth]

This does actually sound fun obv you don't have to pay me but i think i'll take science notes reading the infinite and the divine soon lol

[opaque coyote]

dilator

[jade holly]

[storm jungle]

no

[opaque coyote]

[jade holly]

Who all can use the web ways?

[storm jungle]

Yes

[winged jacinth]

Anyone

[jade holly]

So a warp tunnel free for all

[storm jungle]

Not really

Dolmens are for necrons

and they gotta do it fast

[winged jacinth]

No one can build them anymore you just need an open door

[opaque coyote]

All can use the webways.

But it's harder to actually use them properly

[crystal forum]

i'm already resigned to the fact that necrons use gauss guns despite them not being gauss guns at all

[storm jungle]

since its hijacking

[jade holly]

Meanwhile Orks ran straight into the Warp and just say fuck it we ball

[storm jungle]

yeah because orks are stupid

[opaque coyote]

"fucking magnets how do they work"

[winged jacinth]

The webways are kinda just big hallways once you get inside
Full of bad stuff but still hallways

[storm jungle]

Kinda

its basically any sort of space with a path on it

ravines, cliffs, canyons, mountains, cities, etc

just more spooky

[vagrant fox]

I just watched a teammate get downed waiting for the thunder hawk at the end because it took too long

[opaque coyote]

Daemons trying to break in constantly doesn't help with the integrity

[winged jacinth]

I love the name gauss gun because there's no way for it to relate to gauss's law in any way

[vagrant fox]

he got down to 30% and then got clapped by an enemy

[opaque coyote]

The Necrons are referring to their version of Gauss

Obviously

And their version is Gauss means "fuck your molecules they're gone"

[winged jacinth]

Ah cryptek imhotep gauss

[crystal forum]

they should be called newton guns right

[storm jungle]

oh yeah drinking challenge

[crystal forum]

idk why they're even called gauss

[storm jungle]

take a shot every time a necron character's name ends in "tek"

[vagrant fox]

Sounds cool

[storm jungle]

or any other madeup word for their stuff

[winged jacinth]

They uh... don't really work on any real physical principle

[opaque coyote]

Oh cool a new suicide method!

Bottoms up

[storm jungle]

🫡

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/beer-chug-drinking-drink-thirsty-gif-14117873518651772969

[crystal forum]

they work with the concept of newton's cradle or smth

ball hits another ball

[jade holly]

Amonhotekh, Cryptek, Canoptek, Imotekh

[storm jungle]

🫡

[jade holly]

Are we counting -ekh too?

[crystal forum]

i used to think gauss guns were coilguns but nah they're way weirder

[storm jungle]

if you wanna die faster i guess sure

[vagrant fox]

𓅞
tekh

[winged jacinth]

Yeah that and permanent magnets make up a gauss gun

[crystal forum]

and a coilgun is not a railgun either

[winged jacinth]

Indeed

[crystal forum]

so many terms for shit that you do in a science lab for fun

[winged jacinth]

Railguns actually work using something called lorentz force

[crystal forum]

coilguns use purely electromagnetic force

[winged jacinth]

Which is electromagnetism but doesnt involve any magnets
Coilguns are literally well timed electromagnets yeah

On until the projectile is inside them and then they turn off to not pull it back x like 15 magnets or whatever

They're fun

[crystal forum]

there's physical contact between the projectile and the rail in a railgun but no contact with the coils of a coilgun

[winged jacinth]

The way a railgun works actually requires it to form a circuit across the projectile

[crystal forum]

kinda works like a brushless motor when you think about it

[winged jacinth]

Yeah exactly

[storm jungle]

railguns are also very boring visually irl

its just a long explosion

boooo

[crystal forum]

they shouldn't be exploding

[storm jungle]

fire or whatever idk

[winged jacinth]

Railguns are conceptually so simple
All the support machinery is the hard part

[vagrant fox]

We should go back to big artillery

[crystal forum]

the videos of railguns irl use conventional rounds that are helped with a rail iirc

because pure railgun is weak

[storm jungle]

basically the curse of all superweapons

"its expensive"

[crystal forum]

thats why there's an explosion

problem with railguns is because the projectile is touching the rail then there's friction which means it will wear down

[storm jungle]

there should be a big blue sci-fi ray when it fires

https://klipy.com/gifs/angry-marvin-the-martian

[winged jacinth]

Railguns accelerate the projectile using the property of current in a wire loop generating a magnetic field that can do work on the loop

[jade holly]

Where’s the kaboom?

[winged jacinth]

The most basic shit in the world they just put a LOT of electricity through

[storm jungle]

there was suppose to be a big kaboom!

[jade holly]

YOU SAID IT WRONG

[storm jungle]

: )

[jade holly]

There was supposed to be a big Earth shattering kaboom!

[crystal forum]

the eternal tech problem is having enough electricity where you need it without things exploding

[humble shoal]

Last time I checked (which was like 2015) they also didnt have good precision

[winged jacinth]

This plus electrical resistance making the rails hot and flexible

[humble shoal]

Which made them best for basically shore bombardment

[winged jacinth]

Railguns are technobahn imo

[storm jungle]

probably

[jade holly]

How strong is Blast as a wargear ability?

[crystal forum]

the reason you only see railguns tested on warships is because they're basically mobile power plants, sometimes even nuclear

[opaque coyote]

The weak intermolecular bonds between molecules and atoms are called Van Der Waals forces. Named after the same professor that found them out.

So judging by the fact that how Necron guns work is by disassembling your molecules and actually attracting them to their gun.

They would either be called

Intramolecular Guns

Vander Guns

Or Waals Guns

I think Vander Guns fit the most ngl

[humble shoal]

Vanderwun

[crystal forum]

navy have a long record of being the first to test electrical weapons because of the presence of an engine

[winged jacinth]

There's other things holding molecules to each other besides VDW forces

[crystal forum]

in fact i think the british navy were the first to make a chain gun by hooking up an electrical motor to a gatling gun in like the late 1800's

[winged jacinth]

I could list them but it would be very annoying to everyone

[crystal forum]

i mean a literal gatling gun

the hand crank one

[opaque coyote]

Although van Der is just dutch for "from the".

What does the wun part mean

Gun?

[storm jungle]

VAN DER?

DUTCH VAN DER LINDE?

https://klipy.com/gifs/dutch-van-der-linde-dutch-rdr2

[jade holly]

Gatling’s gun, built to shape warfare into 2 guys shooting each other, then armies bought 1k of them

[storm jungle]

ONE LAST BIG SCORE

[jade holly]

[rose thorn]

I LOCE TERRARIAAAA

[crystal forum]

i think you mean the maxim gun

[winged jacinth]

The other cursed dutch name in chemistry is Van t'Hoff

[vagrant fox]

https://klipy.com/gifs/rdr2-red-dead-redemption-2-2

[storm jungle]

I GOT A PLAN ARTHUR

[opaque coyote]

Nah it was meant to actually just kill people.

But good enough to prevent disease.

Instead it just kills you well enough so you don't have the chance to

Suffer

War morality is fucking weird at times

[winged jacinth]

Ive been thinking about it and in the strictest sense necron weapons should be called Denaturing Vacuums

[opaque coyote]

"Okay this way of killing a person is bad so clearly this way is better!"

Like there's a distinct reason why, to lessen suffering.

Still fucking weird.

[crystal forum]

i wouldn't get my morality from weapon merchants, personally

they might have a stake in war existing

[opaque coyote]

Of course the best option is just

Don't

Just stop it

Get some help

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[winged jacinth]

Or at least denaturing beams
They always say "pulls off" but they don't seem to actually suck things up
Or, crazy, we could call them disintegrators

[opaque coyote]

I think disintegrators already exist

...

[winged jacinth]

They stop your parts from being integrated with each other

[opaque coyote]

Yup

They already exist

[crystal forum]

maybe they annihilate you

[opaque coyote]

And they do the exact same thing as Necron weapons

[crystal forum]

convert you into pure energy

[opaque coyote]

"Those of human origin are relics of the Dark Age of Technology. Highly dangerous, few remain in Imperial use and the ones that do are revered beyond measure.[1] These brutal weapons disrupt the molecular bonding of the target, literally tearing it apart whether it be flesh or ceramite."

...

This is literally the exact same thing

Also implies that humanity was getting there to Necron levels before things went to shit

[winged jacinth]

If it tears you apart into atoms its a disintegrator if it only tears you into molecules its a denaturant

[opaque coyote]

So denaturant guns

Would be Necron ones

Since disintegrator guns tears you to atoms

[crystal forum]

i dont think humanity was even close to necron level shenanigans

[opaque coyote]

Probably not, they are rare after all

[winged jacinth]

A denaturing gun would be much more efficient for the same effect more or less

[opaque coyote]

But hey, we weren't too far off

[lament shoal]

They're rare because most of the tech was lost

[opaque coyote]

If weapons that can literally disassemble you into atoms exist

[winged jacinth]

The men of gold were up to some bullshit

[lament shoal]

Humanity reached highly advanced levels of civilization prior to warhammer

I'd say they were on par with the necrons or at least very close to it

[storm jungle]

they werent

the lore says as much

[winged jacinth]

Necrons have a handle on space and time humans never approached

[storm jungle]

Eldar were on another level but Necrons were playing 10D chest

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I'm thinking that the only thing that really held humanity back was the lack of psyker potential.

We didn't have good enough tech to compete with pre-fall eldar or Necrons. And we didn't have star gods or space magic to help get to the eldar level

[storm jungle]

^

[winged jacinth]

Its just that once you're disintegrating someone there's nowhere to go farther

What are you gonna do fission the atoms lol

[opaque coyote]

...I mean that could cause more damage

AoE potential yippee

Jk

[storm jungle]

the farthest you can go is like

"pop" them out of existence lol

[winged jacinth]

Gun that makes the target explode nuclear style would be a really funny weapon

[storm jungle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anger-issues-issues

[opaque coyote]

Now I have an idea of a Necron gun that does exactly that

[crystal forum]

like i said you could annihilate them

[opaque coyote]

That sounds like something that would be used in the WiH

[crystal forum]

convert them to energy

[storm jungle]

also reminds me

the disintegrators some of the high ranking enforcers use in Munda raent as good as the premium stuff

so uhhh

when they shoot people with them

it has the chance to not properly disintegrate

so uhhh

that isnt fun

lmao

[winged jacinth]

The rest energy of something the mass of a person

[crystal forum]

arent disintegrators some of the rarest archeotech

[storm jungle]

not really

[crystal forum]

only custodes use them on tabletop

i think

[storm jungle]

also Helmawr is one of the richest planetary governors in segmentum solar, hes extremely wealthy

when you got the right contacts and resources its not really that unthinkable

[lament shoal]

What guns are these

[opaque coyote]

Aren't those type of weapons also agonizingly painful to die to already

[winged jacinth]

Doing it good is probably really hard but all you really have to do is pump in enough energy

[storm jungle]

disintegrator on the right

stub weapon the left

[storm jungle]

you get disintegrated

[lament shoal]

Ty

[opaque coyote]

The random poor MF shot with the gun that ignites fission in their atoms

https://tenor.com/view/numberoneroseschlossbergstan-squidward-squidward-tentacles-squidward-t-spongebob-squarepants-gif-22935636

[crystal forum]

we're talking about a setting where the shittiest gun has the real life power of a nuclear plant

[storm jungle]

Do they

lol

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-cope-warhammer-meme-shut-up-gif-24598622

[opaque coyote]

Honestly at some point, you basically can only go the Deldar route.

Instead of making them deadlier. You just make them more painful

[winged jacinth]

The rest energy of one kilogram of matter is approximately 9•10^19 Joules

That's a lotta damage

[crystal forum]

lasguns would require an insane power output to do the damage they do

[storm jungle]

well they dont in 40k

they are just AK-tier firearms

sorry nerd

[crystal forum]

they do though

[storm jungle]

they really dont

[winged jacinth]

That's a 2 gigaton explosion per kilogram of unmade matter lmao

[crystal forum]

power packs can explode

[storm jungle]

okay and

so can normal ammo

[crystal forum]

alright fair

[humble shoal]

Waals and gun

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[winged jacinth]

Lasguns have energy measured in megathoules

[storm jungle]

THATS WHAT IT TOOK?

damn

[opaque coyote]

They are highly inconsistent.

Some depict arms being blown off while others depict them as lasers that cauterize the wound.

Rules wise, like Dilara said, equivalent to autogun. So might as well just follow that

[storm jungle]

[lament shoal]

How would the machine spirit of a lasgun feel if its owner used it as a grenade in a last ditch effort

[winged jacinth]

Powerpacks can explode like grenades but they've got a lot of shots its like cooking off a big box magazine

[humble shoal]

Isnt the only reason the guard uses lasguns logistics?

[opaque coyote]

"At least my owner isn't dead again"

[winged jacinth]

Logistics and training

[humble shoal]

Cuz powerpacks are easier to transport

[lament shoal]

Also because they're cheaper to mass produce

[humble shoal]

If they were cheaper then pdfs would use them

[lament shoal]

Pdfs do use them lmao

[opaque coyote]

...they do

[lament shoal]

💀

[winged jacinth]

Ammo would be a nightmare to supply wheras powerpacks get recharged, but the guns also require minimal maintenance and have no recoil in lore

[crystal forum]

pdf's usually use autoguns

[humble shoal]

This

At least from what I remember

[lament shoal]

Autoguns are the pdf staple but they also use lasguns

[opaque coyote]

Could just be supply.

Power packs would be easier to carry through space.

Ammo would be easier to make at home.

[winged jacinth]

Lasguns are almost certainly more expensive than an autogun but still cheap

You need lenses and circuits and stuff

[storm jungle]

PDFs literally use anything at hand

[crystal forum]

honestly the reason guard uses lasguns is because it's iconic. it's like how there's no real reason why astartes use bolters as a standard gun

[storm jungle]

theres no rule saying they just use autoguns

[opaque coyote]

PDF's are only for their respective planets so they don't have the issue of needing to drag hundreds to thousands of boxes of bullets to a planet

[storm jungle]

also this yep

like-

if the writers back in the 90's just went

"all guardsman use bolters"

and we skipped to modern day

nobody would question it

and say "oh it makes total sense"

[crystal forum]

they wanted the space army to use laser guns to go pew pew

[storm jungle]

lmao

is there like

[humble shoal]

Im mainly saying if lasguns were cheaper to make tha autoguns why would a pdf even use autoguns

[storm jungle]

a term for this effect

[opaque coyote]

Iconic

[storm jungle]

Wrong.

[opaque coyote]

[winged jacinth]

Still thinking of that pic where the guardsman had jungled bolter magazines like they werent the size of his forearm lol

[humble shoal]

If you found it you can name it

[crystal forum]

autoguns are stated to be easier to produce without any STC tech at all

[storm jungle]

not that lol

[crystal forum]

any planet with the minimum level of industry can make a glock, unless it's like some feral world

[humble shoal]

Just make up a name and expect people to already know it

[winged jacinth]

Autoguns can presumably be literally stamped out like an ak47 used to be

[lament shoal]

One group defends a single planet while the other fights on fronts all over the galaxy against various threats.

Lasguns are cheap but also good enough to be fielded on multiple fronts

[opaque coyote]

I just think it's due to the fact that power packs are easier to drag through space than bullet boxes tbh

[lament shoal]

That too

[storm jungle]

lasguns literally also get transported in ammo containers

and boxes

its literally same as bullets

lol

[vagrant fox]

For hwat, someone decided something was one way so the audience rolls with it?

[winged jacinth]

Lasguns making a ton of sense is just a backformation from them being picked and us looking for reasons anyway

[storm jungle]

That yeah. Its something i hate a lot with 40k and its audience

like

"oh space marines using las weapons makes no sense"

like, why lol

[lament shoal]

I still like autoguns more though, more aura

[vagrant fox]

It's called world building ☝️ 🤓

[storm jungle]

because writers wrote tons of made up excuses that people roll with?

[storm jungle]

Wrong

[humble shoal]

Space marines use stubguns

[storm jungle]

Same argument

[winged jacinth]

Space marines probably should use las weapons

[humble shoal]

Let me pull my 1911 from my shoulder pads

[vagrant fox]

Assumed element or something, idk

[storm jungle]

anyway

[heady rivet]

Incredible mini

[storm jungle]

its literally again "writers wrote it that way"

[opaque coyote]

Yes but it would be more effective space wise. Just grab a bunch of power packs and stuff em in there.

Autoguns would need different calibers because they're even less standardized. So X planet needs Y caliber, while another planet needs another caliber.

Along with different types of autoguns as well. There are also different patterns of Lasguns, but they still take the same packs generally.

[lament shoal]

Some sm units field lascannons

[storm jungle]

No

[vagrant fox]

In my world space marines would use autocannons

[winged jacinth]

A bolter scale intermediate lascannon would be so much better than a bolter

[heady rivet]

Palanite spotted, BILLIONS must buy a Necromunda gang

[lament shoal]

Also the longlas sniper rifle

[opaque coyote]

Why

[crystal forum]

las fusil too

[storm jungle]

shut UP

[opaque coyote]

No

[storm jungle]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

Nuh uh

[crystal forum]

uuuh i recall some space marine holding a multi las

[humble shoal]

What if space marines just used big rocks

[storm jungle]

anyway you can very much have marines field bolter-sized las weapons

[opaque coyote]

CS Goto moment

[storm jungle]

but its the guard's schtick

[winged jacinth]

Power packs being rechargeable is the big logistics thing imo

[storm jungle]

so it doesnt get used

[crystal forum]

also i must inform everybody that in HH you can let a blackshield dual wield lasguns

[vagrant fox]

Oughta be some las weapon hooked to their infinite energy backpack

somekind of

lascannon

[storm jungle]

too bulky

next

[crystal forum]

incoming SM2 heavy weapon

[winged jacinth]

Bolters are honestly goofy weapons lol

[opaque coyote]

Nobody denies that tbh

[crystal forum]

no they're cool

[opaque coyote]

They are cool though

[crystal forum]

gyrojet irl is goofy

bolters are cool

[opaque coyote]

Bolters are goofy and cool

[winged jacinth]

civilization invents effective laser weaponry at all scales
use the gyrojet

[opaque coyote]

Like 40k itself

Goofy as hell but also cool

[vagrant fox]

Some kind of carbine weapon of the las fusil hooked up to their backpack would be cool though, steal the scions gun schtick

[humble shoal]

I have a funny headcannon that the bolter was just some dude who reaaaaally loved the gyrojets pet project

During the daot

[winged jacinth]

Space marines only use guns that make explosions of some kind that's the law

[vagrant fox]

this but bolter sized and get rid of the fugly scope

[storm jungle]

ironically yeah

just squash it at the front a bit

and make it bolter sized

[humble shoal]

The fugly scope stays on

[opaque coyote]

Since Bolters are more damaging. I just think they were made to kill some bigger animals

[humble shoal]

Which means it will be the whole gun

[opaque coyote]

Like I believe that the Lasguns and Bolters were just made for colonies for self defense

[winged jacinth]

The sensible-ish in universe explanation for the choice of bolters is that they're terror weapons

[storm jungle]

^

[opaque coyote]

Lasguns for normal use

Boltguns for anything bigger

[storm jungle]

thank you for a sensible headcannon

"made to hunt animals"

💀

yeah i love hunting things where my prey's guts and bones splatter everywhere

[heady rivet]

My headcanon for Bolters is they were designed by a 12 year old

[winged jacinth]

They're not for efficient killing they're for scaring the shit out of people by making their boss fucking explode

[humble shoal]

I own a bolter for home defense

Just like the omnissiah intended

[storm jungle]

ironically something darktide puts thought into

[humble shoal]

3 preservitors break into my house

[vagrant fox]

I know it's rule of cool and aesthetics but in the back of my head it's weird they use scopes when they have auto-senses in their power armour that can do the same

[storm jungle]

if a enemy gets gibbed by bolters the others near them enter into a fear animation

lol

[vagrant fox]

Full auto bolter into a horde and watching them cower makes me feel something

[winged jacinth]

That's great i figured it was just suppression lol

[storm jungle]

well it is but all weapons do it differently

and not all of them trigger a fear animation where they cower

the bolters ones last longer too

like a few seconds

[winged jacinth]

I mostly use bolter to chew up crusher packs which idk if they're for anything else

[humble shoal]

I still love dumping a shredder mag into a mauler crotch

[vagrant fox]

They're for scaring the shit out of scabs

[humble shoal]

And watching them spazz

[heady rivet]

Let me give a fat shoutout to the local cops on Munda who use Bolters more than autoguns

[winged jacinth]

Comissars having bolt pistols fits the terror weapon thing well too

[opaque coyote]

I mean...

Giant Spiders

Giant beetles

Fenrisian "Wolves"

Gore beasts

Knarlocs

The existence of Orks.

Every single living thing in Catachan

[storm jungle]

That isnt hunting, thats killing lol

[winged jacinth]

The guy next to you starts to run and explodes

[storm jungle]

also you can do it without bolter usage

[opaque coyote]

Yeah the Lasguns are meant for hunting.

The bolters are made for

Not hunting

[storm jungle]

Im gonna hang your fucking skull ontop of a fireplace

[winged jacinth]

If lasgun won't do use lascannon

[opaque coyote]

You just hate me cause I'm right

[winged jacinth]

If lascannon won't do use volcano cannon

[storm jungle]

No I hate you because you are like a jumpy hamster.

[opaque coyote]

[storm jungle]

Shut it pipsqueak

https://klipy.com/gifs/powerpuff-girls-hamster

[winged jacinth]

If volcano cannon won't do use lance battery

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/ogata-hyakunosuke-usami-golden-kamuy-ogata-tokishige-usami-gif-1523207651114223634

[vagrant fox]

yo he's mormon soaking

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/usami-gif-6029695840659090487

[opaque coyote]

Whatever you say you grouchy panda.

[storm jungle]

Shut up weeb

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-meme-cat-cut

[opaque coyote]

Okay nerd

[heady rivet]

Wait you should see the semen duel in this show

[vagrant fox]

no thanks

[storm jungle]

Didnt ask lobotomite

[vagrant fox]

I saw a really shitty CGI bear and that's enough for this week

[opaque coyote]

Whatever you say local servitor

Anyways

[storm jungle]

👉🔇

Quiet roomba.

[heady rivet]

If you dropped this show over the bear you are literally the mining meme

[storm jungle]

is it fallout

[opaque coyote]

You will never escape

[vagrant fox]

no fallout sucks

[opaque coyote]

What show then

[heady rivet]

Golden Kamuy, peak

[vagrant fox]

no I'm just watching Sopranos

[storm jungle]

Sounds mid

[storm jungle]

Sopranos has no bears

unless you mean Bobby

hes pretty big

[vagrant fox]

You missed the season 1 bear?

[storm jungle]

the fucking pilot?

[vagrant fox]

It's in the background of a lot of scenes like that shrek egg

[storm jungle]

are you kidding me

LMAO

Siggy i think you need to be committed to an asylum

[opaque coyote]

How does one piece of bad CGI ruin a show for you

On god like 95% of shows are locked to you now

[vagrant fox]

it doesn't I just wanna watch one show at a time gimme a break

[storm jungle]

no breaks

[opaque coyote]

Oh okay

[storm jungle]

kill this guy

[heady rivet]

You say this to incite me, but my gay muscle men show is OFF LIMITS

[vagrant fox]

I watched Zombieland Saga that shit has the worst cgi

[storm jungle]

Well yeah im evil

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/golden-kamuy-vasily-vasily-golden-kamuy-vasily-pavlichenko-gif-6885597310930032708

[storm jungle]

Anime

[vagrant fox]

I saw an anime girl get hit by a truck I couldn't help it

[storm jungle]

tbh thats literally a meme so

[opaque coyote]

Been a trend since the 1980's

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/golden-kamuy-tsukishima-koito-gif-22742935

[storm jungle]

Anime europeans

mid

[vagrant fox]

https://klipy.com/gifs/zombieland-saga-3

[heady rivet]

That man is Japanese

[vagrant fox]

me killing dilara one day

the weeb

[storm jungle]

You can try

[opaque coyote]

what about anime turkish people

[storm jungle]

Idk man all humans look the same to me

[storm jungle]

see statement above

[dapper gyro]

Getting the truck is easy. Now we just need to locate this person.

[heady rivet]

You cant be talking like that White Baby

[storm jungle]

Im literally brown

[vagrant fox]

don't make me take out the chart of where white people are

[storm jungle]

be quiet white boy

[crystal forum]

halfsword tomorrow

so excited

[heady rivet]

Remember to get out of the ovven before you burn or Thanksgiving is RUINED

[storm jungle]

What in the hannibal lecting fuck

💀

[heady rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/plinko-you-plinko-gif-26501962

[vagrant fox]

Maybe I should watch Hannibal again soon

[storm jungle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hannibal-lecter-hannibal-sparkles-in-japan

[storm jungle]

its peak its true

[vagrant fox]

I watched a local movie about how Mads Mikkelsen brought 'taters to Denmark and it kinda goofed on my image on him

[storm jungle]

just dont do it on an empty stomach

also tbh

Mads has always been a goofball

its kinda what makes Hannibal a fun watch imo

[vagrant fox]

He's a funny guy, I love his Danish movies

[heady rivet]

The worst part of the cannibalism is he isnt even seasoning it

[storm jungle]

bceause Hannibal himself is a dipshit

like-

the guy literally makes cannibal puns

lol

[vagrant fox]

I'd love to have you for dinner is such a banger

[storm jungle]

its so funny

[heady rivet]

JUST brain? JUST brain? Get the fuck out of my kitchen. Take your jacket off, take it off. You MUPPET. Use some salt and pepper next time

[storm jungle]

also you can tell hes EXTREMELY fucking smug in most of the investigations

just the whole "Lmao you guys are so dumb"

[vagrant fox]

Something that fresh you can't just willy nilly season

[storm jungle]

speaking of, realistically he'd be dead from prions right

i dont think they ever explain in the books or show how he doesnt get diseases from eating people lol

[heady rivet]

I dont know how to answer without being accused of being creepy for knowing too much about cannibalism. But the risk is negligible in most scenarios

[vagrant fox]

He can just smell it to avoid it so don't worry

[daring creek]

Finished gotham season 1, I think I relate a lot to the penguin guy. I'd kill over a sandwich too.

[storm jungle]

bro you just wait

[vagrant fox]

I don't think it's that common either yeah, small chance

[storm jungle]

Penguin is a fucking menace

also a total gaylord

(affectionate)

[daring creek]

lmfaoooo

[hollow lantern]

Those are mostly from the brain iirc

[storm jungle]

damn it

[hollow lantern]

Cause there are cultures that participate in cannibalism rn

[storm jungle]

damn

even worse

[daring creek]

Not shocking

[storm jungle]

tbh i heard that human meat also just tastes bad apparently? Not that surprising lol

thanks Hannibal Lecter

[hollow lantern]

Idk tbh, never tried it

[daring creek]

One guy made fajitas

It looked p good

[heady rivet]

Generally the prion thing is contained to societies where cannibalism is very common (compared to other societies) and where the brain is also eaten a lot. If Hannibal is killing and eating Americans and sticking to muscles he's pretty much fine. Its not that the prions just generate, its just that cannibalism is the prime way for it to spread

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah that makes sense lol

[daring creek]

You wouldn't tell the difference

[heady rivet]

Smells like beef, tastes like low-quality pork or venison

[storm jungle]

also yeah I THINK he never eats anyones brains in the show

its mostly organs

[heady rivet]

The persons lifestyle is dependent

[storm jungle]

also straigh tup someones leg at one point

[daring creek]

Eating brains no good. will fuck u up

Pretty sure eating brains gives you brain damage so

Don't do that

[storm jungle]

[daring creek]

I mean like

Look at zombies

you see them

[vagrant fox]

I've had brains once and it fucking sucked I don't know why he bothered

[winged jacinth]

Prions take like 25 years to kill you anyway

[daring creek]

Well HUMAN brains at least

pretty sure people have ate pig brain

[winged jacinth]

Prions are fucking weird

[heady rivet]

So the fear of prions in human cannibalism is mostly contained to cannibal cultures in places like papua new guinea. It helps the spread, and so that population (who ritually eat each other) are rife with it. Its a possibility with any consumption of human brains amongst each other. If you or I were to eat some rando within our NON-cannibal ritual societies we'd be okay

[vagrant fox]

Man I'm watching a cooking compilation I should definitely watch Hannibal again

[hollow lantern]

You shouldn't eat your own species brain

Goes for like, the whole animal kingdom basically iirc

[outer wave]

Which edition of Necromunda is good for lore and which books?

[storm jungle]

the 2016 run

which is the entirety of Munda rn

and every rulebook is great for lore

[heady rivet]

Hence why survival cannibalism survivors dont get prion disease

[storm jungle]

its just dependant on what you wanna read

anyway Pusher can probably set you up, get her

🫵

[heady rivet]

There's also some "slice of life" short stories and novellas

[vagrant fox]

The novels are pretty good too as long as, in my experience, you avoid the audiobook ones

[outer wave]

Im kinda interested in Necromunda generally and its factions

[heady rivet]

For a more "On the ground" scenario

[storm jungle]

Oh boy

So in that case get the core rulebook then every House rulebook, those are spectacular

[outer wave]

Gotcha

Just 3rd edition or all editions?

[storm jungle]

the 2016 one which I THINK is 3rd?

because Munda only had 2 editions

the 90's original one

and this new brand version

[outer wave]

Gotcha gotcha, thank ya!

[storm jungle]

hold on lemme get lexi

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Necromunda_Rulebooks_and_Expansions_(List)

here it is

[outer wave]

Thank ya

[storm jungle]

👍

these are the original 2

as you can see uhhh

Modern Munda absolutely stomps over them

lol

[heady rivet]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Necromunda_(Novel_Series) And the non-rulebook books

[storm jungle]

👆

[outer wave]

Thank ya thank ya!!

[storm jungle]

🫡

[heady rivet]

Wanted: Dead is my personal favorite because I am an Escher shill

[storm jungle]

Amazon punk women my beloved

🗣️

[heady rivet]

And is a great "On the ground" example of how the gangs operate, since it covers a gang being "outlawed" from its House

Since the Gangs on Necromunda are legal paramilitaries for the feudal system

[storm jungle]

Yeah literally every rulebook has some great stuff, Munda gets away with tons of shit because its both the most lore-explored planet in 40k and also has nothing to do with anything going on in the setting.

Even the opening of the Rift affects the planet temporarily before things go back to the usual shitstorm

[heady rivet]

Necromunda is, despite not being the intention, the most slice of life you can really get. Since it basically shows daily life within the system

[storm jungle]

its just peak in general and ironically superior to normal tabletop 40k in many aspects yeah

[heady rivet]

Back From The Dead is a zombie plague outbreak so you can easily apply it to Atoma even

Its an open secret that Munda is where all the GW veterans go to write the best lore and make the best minis

And the newbies start on Astartes

[storm jungle]

pig dens gotta fill up somehow

https://klipy.com/gifs/hog-hog-slop

[hollow lantern]

It genuinely amazes me how mediocre 10e is

[storm jungle]

Same lol

all the lore is mid

the art is mid

the rules are mid

[hollow lantern]

Primaris were a mistake

[storm jungle]

lmao

damn 💀

[vagrant fox]

Space marines pay for all of the other factions be grateful ☝️ 🤓

[storm jungle]

god i hate that shit so much

its such a backhanded "logical" statement lol

[heady rivet]

This amount of soul would DESTROY the average Astartes fans soul in the warp

[storm jungle]

"Be compliant and shut up for more ultramarine releases loser. You'll get your turn eventually"

[storm jungle]

🗣️

[hollow lantern]

Space marines make money cause space marine get support cause space marines make money

Self fulfilling prophecy

[storm jungle]

Yeah its literally a paradox/limbo

like no fucking shit they pay for everything

its all that gets advertised/pushed lmao

[hollow lantern]

GW painted themselves into this corner

LSM iirc stopped paying for everything awhile ago tho

Like AoS pays for itself

[storm jungle]

AOS/WHF kinda has this issue too with core factions that get the most minis while others get neglected but in that the said core faction doesnt also HOG EVERY SINGLE THING IN THE SETTING

marines meanwhile do

that shit is what makes them fucking annoying

its why its more unnoticable in the latter two settings compared to 40k

[vagrant fox]

My bougie homeowner friend is wanting to buy 40k minis just to paint and he's considering buying space marines because they're not that hard and they get pushed a lot

[heady rivet]

🧎‍♂️

[vagrant fox]

It's a crazy world

[storm jungle]

Basically this yeah, point proven lol

[heady rivet]

You know what I'm gonna suggest

[vagrant fox]

I can guess

He did comment on just how much space marine stuff there was which I found mildly funny

[hollow lantern]

GW will push ultramarines then make shirts about people being sick of pushing UM

[vagrant fox]

Anyway I want more eldar

[hollow lantern]

It makes me wish the IRA existed still sometimes

[vagrant fox]

Perfect ragebait I'll let it slide

[heady rivet]

Support womens WRONGS

[hollow lantern]

Yeah I'd rather have a tech suit that gives me cancer

[heady rivet]

Valid.

[hollow lantern]

That art goes so incredibly hard tbh

[swift adder]

Necromunda is so fun I swear

It’s the closest thing to blood bowl for 40k

[heady rivet]

I still want to play some Hive Secundus some day,, but I am not going to buy Spyrer models for a while

[terse kestrel]

I sort of had a tangent idea from watching Hammer and Bolter, but how would somebody like Horus who was born to be so highly and mighty so okay with the actual aesthetic of chaos, like how is he okay talking to a monster with 8 eyes and another guy being strung up by chains and being torn apart

[vagrant fox]

The poop knife is why

[winged jacinth]

Tell him to buy the heirotek circle killteam!

Actually circle was pretty hard to paint

There's just a lot of glow

[vagrant fox]

Na he's probably not gonna buy anything anyways and I'm not gonna force evil ideas on him

[dapper gyro]

A baneblade is one of the easiest thing to learn to paint.

[winged jacinth]

If you're buying models just to paint kt is the way to go though

[heady rivet]

My first mini was a Leman Russ

Guard Vics are stupid easy and near-impossible to truly look "bad"

[winged jacinth]

I technically started on lizardmen then didn't paint for 15 years

[vagrant fox]

Unrelated but

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/271998807888232448/1466121322185883932/FB_IMG_1769620929739.jpg?ex=697b9762&is=697a45e2&hm=16af9bfd91d8f721d261ab1ce4a56aa7ee11f05a31a46c25d87fe7ba36270edc&

Kreia was so based

[winged jacinth]

They were good for learning technique on i still remembered most of it

[vagrant fox]

Ye olde chaos warriors and space marines were pretty easy in my experience but I don't know anything modern

[heady rivet]

I need to get off my ass and paint again

[winged jacinth]

Marines are all smooth surfaces and if you only put on helmets theres no flesh tones either

[dapper gyro]

Mk10T armour are easy to paint.