40k-lore-chat

[rocky gale]

If I became a Vtuber, I'd be an ISB Vtuber

[storm jungle]

🗣️

[outer wave]

And yet you say you like all factions, hmmm... curious. Snorts, pushes up glasses, and shits pants

[storm jungle]

[young pecan]

Can you really call them a faction if they're inferior

[outer wave]

True!

[storm jungle]

Anyway i like space marines too, I just hate them from a commercial standpoint which i can largely seperate with my side of stuff

[rocky gale]

I would call my community my "Informants" and instead of telling mods to ban someone I'd say "Take them for questioning"

[outer wave]

Fair fair

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

subject them to gorsts doohicky

[rocky gale]

"Put them in the scream machine"

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/bix-andor-gorst-s2-season-2-gif-5398564572877606320

he deserved it

[storm jungle]

me putting a lexicanum on audio-reader for a grimdank dumbass to listen to

[arctic talon]

btw

He died too fast smh

[storm jungle]

tbh do we know how long it took him to die lol

id assume until like morning

[arctic talon]

Nah he got blown up

like

a few minutes later lol

[rocky gale]

They blew up the office, but tbf they did have to leave the building and walk a good distance away from it before they blew the bomb

So I'd say atleast 10-15 minutes

[young pecan]

I'm coining the term mechaniboo while I'm at it

[rocky gale]

Which probably felt like hours with the Screams

[young pecan]

I wish I could afford to strip away this weak flesh smh...

[storm jungle]

Oh right i forgot

[rocky gale]

Shouldn't have blown him up, leaving him in the machine for like 12 hours until morning probably would have made him totally useless to anyone anyway

[storm jungle]

If only

[arctic talon]

they'd still have the equipment though

[plush mason]

wtf is a scream machine?

[arctic talon]

Its the thing from Andor

its the screams of dying children

of a specific alien species

[rocky gale]

The Empire genocided an alien race that had an incredibly complex vocal pattern, their screams were so powerful they basically give PTSD to anyone who hears them, Ghorst modified and layered those screams and found a way to use them as a means of torture

[arctic talon]

the Empire genocided

[rocky gale]

Yea

[arctic talon]

and their screams got edited, layered and packed together to be used as a torture device

[plush mason]

i see

[rocky gale]

Yea Ghorst wasn't a nice person

[plush mason]

tbf few in the empire are

[arctic talon]

Ghorst sounds so happy

when he's talking about it as well

[rocky gale]

Yea he's in it for the love of the game

Genuinely enjoys his work

[arctic talon]

there's also that one ISB agent in season 2

who's impressed by the uh

thingy in Luthen's shop

the transmission thing lol

[lament shoal]

Real marketing for dark heresy btw

[rose thorn]

went to check my schools boardgame club and found htis lol

[lament shoal]

Saved

[arctic talon]

What is the origin of that image

I’ve seen it a lot

[rose thorn]

the reddit mod soyjack?

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-incredibles-syndrome-buddy-pine-discord-reddit-gif-1954320315783291994

[arctic talon]

I see

lol

[rocky gale]

Forever sad that I never got to play my ISB character, Game was supposed to be set in the EU Warlord era and as far as the rest of the group would know I was a "Data Analyst" in the Empire but secretly she would have been the former Director of Insurgent Contingency, meaning she was in charge of devising the most efficient way of demoralising each specific world in the Empire should it rebel. However her department got shut down when the Death Star finished completion because it was seen as the ultimate countermeasure. Although after it was destroyed a lot of the plans she'd made were then used without her oversight.

[rose thorn]

i think its a refernece to that guy who was liike "reddit mods should be respected"

[rocky gale]

It's from a TikTok video I think

[arctic talon]

Neat

Very cool character idea

[rocky gale]

Yea so like she came up with a lot of incredibly awful warcrimes, but wasn't directly involved in their implementation and if found out she would maintain that all of her work was supposed to be theoretical.

[rose thorn]

i think its drawn ontop of a gy on tiwtter who has like, a degree in japanese and japanese culture and roleplays as a 4chan weeb on twitter and corrects people about all things traditional japanese

[arctic talon]

“Look all I’m saying is that I only designed the method to commit mass execution at a sacred site, I never actually did it. It was all theory.”

[rocky gale]

There was also the "I made a lot of plans that didn't involve genocide, it's not my fault they didn't use those options" defence

[arctic talon]

Holy shit lol

[solid horizon]

How tf do gw painters do to paint stripes so cleanly, it's my 10th stripe pattern done on a mini and it still looks super wobbly

[rocky gale]

They use tape

[arctic talon]

Very carefully

And with tape if they need to be super precise

[languid meadow]

I mean hell those still look really good

[arctic talon]

They can def freehand that shit though

And also yeah

Yours look really good

[rocky gale]

Yea those lines are good

[solid horizon]

until you zoom in 😔

[rocky gale]

But if you're not happy, just paint while pad one colour, then do think strips of tape in straight lines leaving gaps, paint gaps and then remove tape and wallah

[solid horizon]

first vs last

with pinky for size reference

[rocky gale]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9J4F6NgTJ84?feature=share

Good guide

[solid horizon]

thats not a bad idea

my idiotic ass is afraid to strip off all the paint when removing tape

ill save this

[arctic talon]

Use painters tape

Or get putty

[celest cedar]

oh noooo the travestyyyyyy

[storm jungle]

Wait they have souls?

[heady rivet]

Man its still sorta wild Iran just casually dropped they killed at least 3k protestors and then like no news actually bothered to mention it anymore

[storm jungle]

Yeah because its Iran

the world doesnt care about countries like it lol

[last stone]

And water is wet

[storm jungle]

Ukraine was also covered extensively now everyone has largely moved on from it

because people just lose interest unless its their own doorstep

[heady rivet]

Longer than the entire Eastern Front of WW2 now

[storm jungle]

Yes

[hollow lantern]

If they have souls that simply means we must hack off their feet so they cannot walk into the afterlife.

[lament shoal]

There's an easy solution to this you guys aren't seeing: sending 500 billion more dollars to Israel

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[heady rivet]

Another geriatric zionist for the elected position

[celest cedar]

we just need Samantha Maxis telling everyone FETCH ME THEIR SOULS on em

[heady rivet]

Dw the ones AIPAC support always win thats lucky of them aha

[storm jungle]

Guilliman by the fandom: A kind caring compassionate leader who can do no wrong and cares about humanity

Guilliman in lore: "I heard enough. 10,000 more recruits to Ultramar.

🫡

[lament shoal]

I hope something actually becomes of this whole situation at some point. Those people have suffered under that regime for too long

[hollow lantern]

Ig that's what happens when you throw money at everyone

[humble shoal]

500 worlds a week is your new kpi

[heady rivet]

Another flag raised

[storm jungle]

LETS GOOOO

[humble shoal]

Its Munda Monday Baybe

[storm jungle]

Also just finished reading the new rulebook for Munda, man the lore is peak

[lament shoal]

I LOVE DRUGS I LOVE GANG VIOLENCE I LOVE MURDER

MORE STIMS

[rocky gale]

A cool looking model for 40k, that's not for Necromunda....... It can't be

[humble shoal]

Least armed munda ganger

[heady rivet]

Why, I spy my ammo-jack

[hollow lantern]

I can't help but see it as having a tail

[heady rivet]

Its Munda Monday for the next one william years

[lament shoal]

Don't tell the enforcers

[celest cedar]

Titus save the 500 worlds Titus

Im giving you unrealistically high expectations Titus

[lament shoal]

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/jfk-clone-high-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-jack-black-gif-18659433

[hallow saddle]

mmmm zomboid

based

[heady rivet]

The Palanite Enforcers have so much drip it should be illegal

[lament shoal]

😩

[hallow saddle]

https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Necromunda-Scrutinator-Primus-Servalen-2020

necromunda molly millions

[storm jungle]

They have so much drip they have infiltrated Dorktide

[hallow saddle]

im working on the dog from that set atm

[heady rivet]

SOVL. I'm actually gutted mine arrived damage and I've been waiting on the online store to restock em. Although I admit I couldnt resist using the store credit on Servalen

[lament shoal]

Normalize cool overcoats with armor

MORE

[storm jungle]

The specialized servo-skull with the chest pendant and coat goes HARD AS FUCK

[rocky gale]

Dafuq does sovl mean?

[heady rivet]

I still need to work through my shame pile to these

[hallow saddle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735941248036241489/1464713283729621228/2026-01-24-19-46-08-3702.jpg?ex=69791b0b&is=6977c98b&hm=14d93cbed833c492f5757744645355ba09e91dca6e787fb7678a237325a2b116&=&format=webp&width=1256&height=1338

trying to make him look like the darktide skin

its gonna be poggers!!!

[winged jacinth]

people spell soul with a v sometimes because there's no u in latin

[heady rivet]

Chudmaxxing for comedic effect

[winged jacinth]

its kinda escaped the cringe statue pfp circle it started in

[heady rivet]

Yeah its this

Its from those "return to tradition" types

[rocky gale]

[heady rivet]

With the stoic statues and whatnot

[rocky gale]

So you're just misspelling Soul?

[lament shoal]

Fascism be damned, these mfs got drip

[hallow saddle]

before that i saw it in black metal culture

[heady rivet]

Yes.

[storm jungle]

oh yeah reminds me

i gotta edit the lexi page for Spyrers

new lore time

🗣️

[winged jacinth]

speaking of overcoats over armor i need to build my yaegirs STILL

[heady rivet]

Its so peak I wanna puke Even if I sometimes dislike Champions in the game tbh

[storm jungle]

@vagrant fox

gonna shove that thumb UP YOUR FUCKING ASS

[vagrant fox]

Four eyes ass behaviour editing wikis

[lament shoal]

Dilara editing the lexi for the billionth time whenever a small lore detail gets updated:

[heady rivet]

I should dry-fit an Escher Ash Waste head on one of those champions and see how that looks...

[storm jungle]

To be fair its pretty fun

this is what im putting i natm

fucking lmao

[lament shoal]

Oh dw I don't doubt that lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah i leave the heavier slop work to the bigger editors who JUMP the moment a new HH/Marine book gets released lol

[lament shoal]

I'm always adding new small stuff for my homebrew

[heady rivet]

The best part about the Palanites in how bulky the armor is tbh

[vagrant fox]

Fuck I was gonna do something like this for my chapter because cybernetics are gay
Now I'm a hack fraud

[heady rivet]

Homebrew what?

[lament shoal]

Salamanders successor chapter thats tropical pirate themed

[rocky gale]

A hard shift down on the Limb Farm

[lament shoal]

Heavy focus on naval and aerial combat

[storm jungle]

Just do it lol, I steal ideas from rulebooks constantly. I stoke like 3 from this one lmao

[heady rivet]

Dw homebrew is 75% ripping off shit you think is cool

[winged jacinth]

im an organic limb farmer

[heady rivet]

Its Warhammer big dog they did it too

[hallow saddle]

the reason they put all this stuff in the codexes is to inspire ppls hobby

[vagrant fox]

I'm washed up

[hallow saddle]

so its a million percent cool

[winged jacinth]

tbh all this means for a chapter is that the science 100% is accessible and exists in canon

[lament shoal]

I decided to give my chapter master a pet cat as a reference to irl naval tradition where ship cats are seen as good luck

[heady rivet]

5% your political power fantasy
20% your kink

[storm jungle]

^^^^^^^^

this a huge thing people forget a lot

the rulebooks have all this shit to get your creativity running

[heady rivet]

Neptune the dog being one of the last sighted survivors of the Franklin Expedition...

[hallow saddle]

a million percent

[storm jungle]

Yeah its not as bountiful as it was way back but its sitll pretty good

[winged jacinth]

shoutout to the ww2 pics of ships cats sleeping in tiny hammocks

[heady rivet]

50% of Munda is "Fuck it bro its your life" about pretty much everything

[cobalt matrix]

@storm jungle uncanny strike 5 stacks duelling sword melee psyker vs god emperor of mankind in his prime

who wins

lore basis

[storm jungle]

Explode. Now

https://klipy.com/gifs/dog-blown-away-1

[celest cedar]

Ive not even talked about darktide or game mechanics ever

I just stuck around bcz the people are funny and cool

[cobalt matrix]

Indeed. People are pretty cool here except one woman named @storm jungle who keeps exploding me

[lament shoal]

Banger soundtrack

[celest cedar]

main theme is pretty weak twxn 🥀

Light of the Imperium where itsat

[lament shoal]

Light of the imperium is one of my favorite tracks but unfortunately I still have to blow you up for that comment

[storm jungle]

its the muslim tradition we share 🇹🇷

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-minigun-quad-minigun-quadruple-minigun-anih-gif-14691235838571669330

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/turkey-guy-turk-chad-fast-buff-gif-17075645

[celest cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/sybau-syaos-british-english-ts-pmo-gif-18322740700124619850

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/leon-chokes-choking-ada-wong-gif-26380793

[celest cedar]

hot

[solid horizon]

average emperor's children

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/sınavlar-bitince-ahmet-sezgin-gif-20054165

Yurkey mention

[arctic talon]

@surreal nest it’s Rem, fuck

[surreal nest]

i hate the voting system so much

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/deadlock-warden-alchemical-flask-gif-10946661139367895349

Im going to hate them aren’t I

[surreal nest]

ok i dont hate it but I think its a little silly we cant even read their kits

like

we waited like 8 months for new characters

can i at least know whats going on and not have to go through an entire 2 weeks after the update drops to get a general idea

only been 5 but im MAD!

https://tenor.com/view/fight-me-fight-sklet-skeleton-gif-12424596002707679541

[arctic talon]

Let me check Rem’s kit

[languid meadow]

hitler...

[arctic talon]

Why do I feel like it’s going to be cancer

[surreal nest]

its a lot

he summons helpers that can buy queued items for you at the shop, take boxes and sinners, and heal minions, and give allies spirit resist

[languid meadow]

his 1 is a knock back
his 2 is a latch on like yumi but not perm
his 3 is lil goobers like yorrick which can heal/shield or collect souls from crates and do sinners
his 4 is is a large charged up CC

[arctic talon]

oh my fucking god

he has couriers

from Dota 2

[young pecan]

Did SMITE do it first with Chang'e or did Dota 2

[arctic talon]

Dota did it first

with Io

as in Dota 1

not 2

[languid meadow]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/648828 already has a mod

[surreal nest]

cant wait to hook combo that stupid gremlin

ive played nothing but bebop for like 8 days

[winged jacinth]

dota wasnt the very first of its kind but it was certainly the Ur-MOBA modern ones descend from

its fun to look at league characters from near launch and figure out which dota characters they sewed together to make them

[arctic talon]

Io is genuinely so weird

and probably the best attach character still

Rem's attach seems obnoxious as fuck

[arctic talon]

do you think Gun Rem is viable

his gun seems good lol

[surreal nest]

maybe especially with the new item that refreshes charged ability on weapony damage

his 1 reduces all his cooldowns on hit so if you just play around that

[spring cairn]

towerts can't even hit rem i'm crying

[arctic talon]

Is that intentional lmao

[spring cairn]

no

walkers will hit

and uh the twin towers (sorry) will hit from the front

[surreal nest]

well 3 more days and maybe we get a fun character that works on their release

[spring cairn]

only the back is safe

[surreal nest]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-me-fight-sklet-skeleton-gif-12424596002707679541

[arctic talon]

Neat

Wonder if they’re going to rework the walker and guardian designs

Soon

[spring cairn]

iirc some sketches leaked alongside the trooper ones

and those ended up in the game so probably upnext

[arctic talon]

Rem is proof they should give Lash a better gun /j

[spring cairn]

gun rem, never use any support ability

actually viable

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside idk why but lash’s gun actually feels awful to use

[arctic talon]

Unsurprising

You can just mass farm sinners + boxes with 3 no?

lol

[spring cairn]

it has a good gun

[arctic talon]

Send out your goon legion

[spring cairn]

and can insane famr the map

yep

[arctic talon]

To take all the shit

Can he take the dropped soul things

When someone dies

Actually wait nvm

[arctic talon]

Genuinely how the fuck do you stop him from vacuuming up everything

Along with the fucking tunnels

[spring cairn]

i don't know

[arctic talon]

Can’t he just hide in the tunnels and escape any fight

[spring cairn]

it's scawy

[arctic talon]

???

Like

Deadass you can never kill him

[spring cairn]

ig u better have calico

[arctic talon]

If there’s a tunnel

True

[spring cairn]

to chase in tunnels

or slowing hexes/cc's

if you ever want to kill it

[arctic talon]

Wonder if they’re going to add another character

Who can go in

Or an item

[spring cairn]

abrams.jr

https://tenor.com/view/abrams-jr-deadlock-abrams-jr-gif-14957977121911639321

[arctic talon]

What about green Abrams

[young pecan]

What's up with the new tunnel things

[arctic talon]

Rem and calico can go in them

Everyone else can pound sand

They’re for fast rotates/escaping

Nvm you can’t go into them if you’re in combat

[solid horizon]

Android with classic color scheme (still IW however)

[daring creek]

necrons gotta put on some pants yo

[arctic talon]

@spring cairn @languid meadow @surreal nest Rem and Haze are related somehow. Considering Rem calls Haze his mom??? before she says she isn’t . And Haze says it’s nice to see him

wtf lol

sleep paralysis demon dimension?

[spring cairn]

i think they're just being a kid

[surreal nest]

im sure they've interacted a lot considering yknow

[spring cairn]

and since haze is more protective towards them than the others

[surreal nest]

shes a sleep assassin

[arctic talon]

Rem talks about causing trouble for Haze

Somehow

Haze is still weird to me

She’s not an ixian right?

[spring cairn]

he's trouble cuz he's not supposed to be in our plane of existence

[arctic talon]

She’s just some weird sleep creature

[arctic talon]

Wonder if Haze is from the same one

[spring cairn]

and that's the OSIC's business

[languid meadow]

pretty sure she's human who went under experimentation

[arctic talon]

Fair

[young pecan]

I could easily see it being an escape depending on what they count as "in combat" though

[spring cairn]

she's the most remorseful when it comes to fighting him

[arctic talon]

Guess she’s not okay with shooting a child lol

[spring cairn]

but she says something like there's no other choice

yay they fixed q

i can play the geam

[young pecan]

Is there actually extended Deadlock lore beyond the character tidbits

I thought it was just the stuff that was in the bios on character select

[surreal nest]

there was a leaked incomplete visual novel

[arctic talon]

Character dialogue + the ingame in universe ads + there’s the newsstand

The news stand gives lore

Someone’s compiled it all

https://youtu.be/jSEU6qLJnY4?si=5CM5Pwz_jES6ypjl

https://youtu.be/U9B-WxIC3QI?si=ievILMhQ4Xa45REI

[surreal nest]

https://youtu.be/nn_C9nQ_Ri0?si=KHkVk2Zm-fAvGrmT

ignore the channel name

[arctic talon]

I love the new voice filter they’re done for the patrons

It’s so good

[spring cairn]

it's very good

[surreal nest]

Abrams and Geist are also linked in their stories

Abrams book summoned her demon arm

[versed spade]

Quick question. I just started reading Dark Imperium (first 40k book for me btw) and I'm curious how Guilliman got Big E's sword. Hasn't the sword been chilling on the Emperor's lap pretty much the whole time he's been on the golden throne?

[young pecan]

I've only played one match of norm so far but the King one and his music is so cool

[surreal nest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da_v2KZVfWU&list=RDDa_v2KZVfWU&start_radio=1

[arctic talon]

The archmother’s music isn’t done yet unfortunately

The Hidden Kings is

And is excellent

[arctic talon]

He got it after meeting with the emperor

[surreal nest]

wdym?

i like her theme

[arctic talon]

Archmother doesn’t have a game starting theme

It reuses her other theme

I prefer her theme

[surreal nest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu8qvaqcLGU&list=RDlu8qvaqcLGU&start_radio=1

me dont get it

[young pecan]

It's a novel

guh buh

[arctic talon]

https://youtu.be/e3Mj7EMJSdo?si=hDILAuKd6tOXhExB

Hidden king has 2 themes for the game loading in vs start of the match

[surreal nest]

oh oh oh

[arctic talon]

Archmother only had one

[surreal nest]

my bad

[arctic talon]

The archmother’s theme is also in a really weird beat pattern

Compared to the hidden king

[hallow saddle]

its in 5/4 with the accent on the 1 🤓

[solid horizon]

5/4 is probably the most normal uncommon time signature

7/4 (or 7/8) only a tiny weeny bit less but it's epic

but the darktide player's ogryn mind cannot comprehend this as entirety of the game's ost is written in 4/4

🤓

[celest cedar]

every popular music of any genre and medium

[solid horizon]

that's untrue

6/8 and 3/4 are also very popular

[surreal nest]

first game lol

[arctic talon]

I was right lmao

Titus gets fucking washed

in the 500 worlds lore

as does 2nd company

[celest cedar]

maybe just me but I seldom hear much popular stuff in that

[solid horizon]

simple

[tough haven]

I love the hidden king!!!!

[solid horizon]

6/8 is slows

3/4 is waltzes

[arctic talon]

unfortunately

they live

smh

[solid horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/obey-movie-conspiracy-sunglasses-80-s-gif-8043405647801009315

[plush mason]

we all knew that was gona happen tbh

[plush mason]

also figured that would be the case

[arctic talon]

is split about 50/50 between Imperium and Necron lore

[celest cedar]

only 3/4 song I can think of is Diamond Eyes by Deftones

[dapper gyro]

I still never understand why they send SM captains into the frontline, that if they die, the company leadership would be in big trouble.

Cool factor, sure.

[surreal nest]

ngl rem is really fun @arctic talon

its like

really fun

[spring cairn]

@arctic talon ok i lied he's a shit gun char

i'm watching someone vry good

buuut u can still make it work i'm sure

[valid needle]

Usually they don’t

But Titus is their cash cow now so he will be thrown into everything

[solid horizon]

for you it's leadership trouble

for blood angels

it's another BBQ

[winged silo]

How do we feel about making Homebrew Space Marine chapters?

[lament shoal]

Plenty of people in the hobby do it

Its pretty common actually

We talk about our own homebrews in here sometimes

[solid horizon]

yeah I think homebrews are a very common thing often regarded as cool

if people didn't do that, Dawn Of War wouldn't have an army editor

[lament shoal]

Yeah even gw employees get their homebrews featured in white dwarf issues from time to time

[crisp heath]

[Insert faction you dislike here] when their dogass faction releases new content

[arctic talon]

Because it’s cool, it’s also why farseers and shit are on the battlefield

It’s cool

[lament shoal]

Rule of cool comes first in 40k, and imo thats the way it should remain

What's the purpose of wearing the mask over the standard arbities helmet? Is it a signifier of rank? Or of a specific role in the unit?

[dapper gyro]

Captains are fielded to the front so often that despite being 1 per 100+ frontline, many of them are nameless.

[dapper gyro]

Style and "toxic gas"...

Rule of cool comes first, and it should remain.

[outer wave]

https://x.com/NornQueenKya/status/2015863495237968237/photo/1 I think we need this, guys

NornQueen Kya - Now Offically Canon! (@NornQueenKya)

Female custodes is an okay start

But we all know what has to happen next

X · Jan 26, 2026, 7:04 PM

[arctic talon]

the mask is for marking specialists in killteam, otherwise no reason

[paper haven]

Da pink ones is da prettiest

[outer wave]

Instead of a WAAAGH they have a YAAAAAS

[lament shoal]

Gotcha, ty

[daring creek]

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FixupX · Jan 26, 2026, 8:53 PM

Which one of you is this

Or

Several of you

I know some of you have unpainted miniatures collecting dust

Unfortunately I'm seeing more and more warhammer in my TL

I don't know how they found out

Probably because I looked it up ONCE

[nocturne crest]

Do you think the Helbrute will be replaced by the new defiler or will they update that model in the future?

[sacred ginkgo]

mine

[opaque coyote]

Forgot the autism

Homosexual autism

[arctic talon]

Defiler is not a hellbrute completely different scale size wise

Hellbrute is a dread equivelent

Defiler is more like a uh

Land raider equivalent? Vaguely?

The defiler would make mincemeat of most dreadnoughts lore wise

[outer wave]

I never see or hear of Defilers on the tabletop

I cant imagine they're a very popular unit in the fandom

[arctic talon]

they're like

popularish

the issue is they're old as fuck lol

and they're ugly

so no one except oldheads run them bcs they bought them when they actually were extremely high quality sculpts

or the weirdos who really like them to the point where they're willing to bite the bullet

and run

this fucking thing

[outer wave]

Yeah never liked that head on the top

[arctic talon]

it looks like

better without it imo

[outer wave]

Yeah its just kinda there and feels like it takes away from the design

Could be gnarly if that were like a living CSM head strapped on top of it or something but its not

Its just a silly helmet

[arctic talon]

but yeah this is what fucking happens to a dreadnought when it runs into a defiler lol

[arctic talon]

this is like the one art where the defiler doesn't look derpy

but its also a visual clusterfuck lol

[outer wave]

Yeah its very busy

But the head looks more fitting here

I think partly is the head is actually more in front of the chassis rather than on top

[arctic talon]

I think the current defiler just needs some shift in like

how its legs are designed + the head is located

and its fine

prolly make some of the weapons a bit less dopey

[jade holly]

I’m ngl with you all

I’ve actually been having fun on Highguard

[arctic talon]

they found the intended audiance

its you

[jade holly]

Can’t tell if that’s a good or bad thing

[arctic talon]

its a good thing

funny chart someone made

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/195404877688602624/1465571622940311693/1743115466104712.jpg?ex=6979976f&is=697845ef&hm=bd9ea4094491edd339b6d415cbcf33bf1f4f92634964985df906e14e065309d9

[jade holly]

If you go past the Neurolictor you’ve gone too far

[outer wave]

Like how the tyrant is a direct descendant of the ripper

Actually the Norn Queen and Assimilator being descendants is even weirder

[arctic talon]

The ripper can grow into all other Tyranid bioforms as far as we know

[sacred ginkgo]

Euthanize me

[outer wave]

They can?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[outer wave]

I never knew Ripper swarms had that capability

[arctic talon]

It’s incredibly rare

[arctic talon]

This chart isn’t meant to be like a proper phylogeny tree

I think

Just meant to get the idea vaguely

lol

[sacred ginkgo]

Do it anyway

Head hurts

[arctic talon]

Not mine

lol

I don’t know enough nid lore to do this shit

[sacred ginkgo]

No it hurts for other reasons

[arctic talon]

I disagree with the placements of the norn queen heavily though

lol

[sacred ginkgo]

It just refused to deal with that in general

[arctic talon]

Deal with what

💀

[sacred ginkgo]

The chart

[arctic talon]

Oh

[outer wave]

I personally fuck with that so hard

I LOVE phylogenetic trees

[arctic talon]

Making a phylogenetic tree would be a nightmare for the nids

Rippers are like

The ancestor to all of them

Warriors would be a clade
Then the hive tyrants

Gaunts

Lictors

[plush mason]

dont they do it if the tendril gets wreaked? just burrow underground and pupate into something more deadly

[dapper gyro]

Ripper is like SC zerg larva, the inital form to turn into everything else.

[arctic talon]

Yes but it doesn’t always happen

[outer wave]

Is there any particular edition of codices that are good to read for lore?

[arctic talon]

8e

by far is the best

[outer wave]

Gotcha, thank ya

[arctic talon]

6e, 10e and 3e are on average the worst

7e and 9e are fine

3e has by far the most barebones codexes in terms of lore

[outer wave]

So Im not the only one that noticed that 10e has like no lore in them and are mostly rules

[arctic talon]

10e's codexes are a crapshoot

[hollow lantern]

Definitely not.

[arctic talon]

some of them are actually good

and the rest are uh

not

Worst codexes overall in an edition award goes to 3e though

bcs some of the codexes literally had supplemental white dwarfs

[hollow lantern]

Was 3e the UM incident?

[arctic talon]

no

that was 5e

5e's dexes were good

for lore

aside from the Codex space marines being made from codex ultramarines incident

and grey knights

lol

[hollow lantern]

I don't even remember atp

It all blends together

I forget we've had primaris for almost a decade now tbh

[opaque coyote]

BEAR BULL BEAR BULL BEAR BULL BEAR BULL

Repeat for like 1,000,000 lines

[vagrant fox]

I can once again affirm that asking Li Bai for mercy works

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/ulysses-fallout-new-vegas-gif-25036376

[celest cedar]

good

I cant stand mr bear bull

[opaque coyote]

Chris Avellone basically made him and Cass his self inserts

Cass has a bunch of lines cut talking about her opinions of the factions

But yeah Ulysses was meant to be the Legion Companion

Tbf his character was much different in comparison to Lonesome Road

He was essentially meant to be Uncle Ruckus

[celest cedar]

LOL

[opaque coyote]

Basically self-hating the fact that he was tribal and that the Legion will bring order and strength

But you could convince him that "Hey dip shit, enslaving women and children is bad"

[vagrant fox]

Another Avellone classic

[opaque coyote]

At least that was the plan at the time

Unironically sounded kinda interesting. I think if it wasn't Mr. Bear Bull it would be interesting to have that be the character of a Legion Companion

[celest cedar]

ngl I woulda love hearing those

[opaque coyote]

It is actually pretty interesting tbf

I like Cass

[celest cedar]

fallout factions from the opinion of a white anglo saxon woman

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/tunnelsnakesfool-fallout-new-vegas-rose-cassidy-rose-of-sharon-cassidy-gif-18257839

[celest cedar]

HE HAD A FUCKING LONG DICK

[opaque coyote]

To this day, I am convinced he hates the Fallout show not for any actual writing reason

But because he couldn't nuke the NCR himself

Yes he tried like 3x

Once in Fallout 2

Once in Base FNV

And once in lonesome Road

The ability to nuke the I-15 was a compromise. I'm not even joking.

Meanwhile Bethesda nuked Shady Sands and HE COULDN'T DO IT

So I believe he's just salty cause of that

I have no evidence besides his attempts to try it three times

[vagrant fox]

His xits seems to confirm

[celest cedar]

why's he got a huge hateboner for the NCR

[vagrant fox]

He hates established things

He loves building up and then tearing down

[heady rivet]

He wanted Fallout to always be a post-apocalypse sandbox RPG where nothing ever got better and disliked having to write around the fact that everything was starting to recover. The NCR being an established and functioning power makes it hard to justify why they cant just deal with it. Hence why the NCR is completely incapable of literally anything in NV

[heady rivet]

Which of course he would have preferred they just didnt get a chance because to him thats more "Fallout". Since war destroys the only chance of recovery, war never changes, yada yada

[heady rivet]

I like that the personalities are vague enough to give you some leeway on what you want to imagine and larp as

[rocky gale]

[shadow plover]

Raveners..?

[rocky gale]

Raveners

[shadow plover]

yes but why

[rocky gale]

Your guess it as good as mine

[celest dome]

Oh woah, they even named the miniatures after the Ravener ones

[vagrant fox]

I feel like USistan is big enough to have recovering societies and perpetual shitholes

[vagrant fox]

Wack genestealers

[heady rivet]

Women, amirite fellas? Especially when the damn game is on!

[vagrant fox]

Danes are fucking chimps why do so many of these people chew with their mouth open

If I could I'd put them in saw style traps to learn how not to be like this

[solid horizon]

what about people nostalgic of dawn of war

they were a fairly good unit there

[raven stone]

...Good grief, how am I supposed to be specific when I am asking a very general question of "do you have any inputs"?

[daring creek]

Yar yar daze

[storm jungle]

I dont get the joke

is it that those arent Raveners

[winged silo]

I just play Dawn of War II because of the Tyranids.

[celest dome]

Hadn't seen that Mechanicus 2 had some news on when it'll release

Spring of this year

[winged silo]

Ooh, I might get it. The Adeptus Mechanicus are my favorite faction.

[solid horizon]

Adeptus mechanicus is supposedly very advanced yet they pull Da Vinci thingmabobs, lee enfields and revolvers on the battlefield

[storm jungle]

Because they arent advanced

they are archaic lol

thats the entire point

[vagrant fox]

somekind of dog

[winged silo]

It's a mix of sci-fi tech and a baroque/Gothic aesthetic.

[celest dome]

It's "Technology as a Religion", not High tech

[storm jungle]

^

High Tech is shit like Van Saar or Votann

[celest dome]

What kind of Dog have you met

[winged silo]

That's why I like it.

[celest dome]

Or Tau

[storm jungle]

Ye

[celest dome]

Necron being "Technology as magic"

[solid horizon]

If their stupid moral and code obligation didn't prevent them from going forward, they could be so much more

[storm jungle]

That kinda defeats their entire point as a faction so.

[celest dome]

^

[solid horizon]

Yes

[storm jungle]

the techno-fascists can stay where they are lol

[solid horizon]

that's the idea

[vagrant fox]

I'd be scared of computers that can actually get daemon posessed ok

[solid horizon]

[storm jungle]

Then why are you telling me 😭

[celest dome]

So you want to not have Admech but something else ?

[solid horizon]

im just sayin

[celest dome]

I'd suggest looking to the trio of Necron, Tau and Leagues

[solid horizon]

lawful admech is weak

[winged silo]

That's because the techno-bigoted falsemessiah Emperor told them to not think.

[storm jungle]

they arent lawful

what

[solid horizon]

blast the omnissiah

[celest dome]

🚬

[storm jungle]

[winged silo]

The Emperor is NOT the Omnissiah.

[solid horizon]

Yes but what if I wanted to blast both

[celest dome]

For legal reason, I am under obligation to say he is

[winged silo]

I'd be happy if you ganked the Emperor.

[winged silo]

I'm not

[solid horizon]

After all the emperor is nothing but a glorified resistance sitting on a golden toilet

[spring cairn]

resistance ?

half life reference...

[winged silo]

Give the Mechanicus the ability to innovate again, it is our right as the cult of machines🗣️

[solid horizon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistance_and_conductance

it even has the ultramarines logo

If emperor so strong so powerful

[winged silo]

Ohm is a shortened omega, that's why the symbol is that.

[solid horizon]

why are heretics and xenos still there

[solid horizon]

yeah Ik lemme just mock the emperor

[winged silo]

I'm still here, so something is wrong with his "great plan"

[solid horizon]

the emperor sucks thats why

[winged silo]

I'm thinking about making a homebrew chapter with this color palette:

Except make the trim a platinum colour.

[paper haven]

I hate that I think this looks pretty cool

[winged silo]

You not a fan of wet blending?

[humble shoal]

I think a white gold trim would go hard

[raven stone]

Looks like some Slaanesh steed

[winged silo]

Oh yeah, it would.

[humble shoal]

Or just weird daemonette

[nocturne crest]

What are the chances when it comes to the word bearers time in the sun, they'll reuse the Word Bearer thanos from the BattleFleet Gothic2?

[fervent geode]

Malos Vrykan?

I don't think so

I feel Marduk and Cerastes are more likelu

[celest dome]

Very low chance, to small of a character and too old

[vagrant fox]

A chance for Eliphas the Inheritor, chaos lord of the Black Legion, to show his quality

holy hell the trident

[spring cairn]

what

but last warbdon just came out

what does this mean

cyborgs soon...

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/muneh-rdr2-arthur-morgan-gif-20022681

There were some factory world leaks

[queen laurel]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/mlybbxsj/you-decide-the-cover-star-for-a-new-ultimate-guide-to-warhammer-age-of-sigmar/

my fellow Sigmarites, @celest dome @rocky gale @rose thorn @arctic talon

[rose thorn]

FINALLYYYYYU

Yndrasta?

[spring cairn]

man that means the NCR trooper looking armor will be superstore stuff

@languid meadow

not in a warbond...

[languid meadow]

Lame

[queen laurel]

yeah you have to vote for who's the cover star

Yndrasta, the Celestial Spear

Archaon the Everchosen, Exalted Grand Marshal of the Apocalypse

Ionus Cryptborn, Warden of Lost Souls

[rocky gale]

No Ushoran?

[rose thorn]

I mean agreeing to vote

[queen laurel]

No you will take your two order storm cast and one main chaos character and you will like it

[rocky gale]

Dude was model of the decade, but not in the running to be on the cover?

[celest dome]

Wait it's only out of those 3 ?

Damn

[rose thorn]

The chaos guy is technically from the old world

[queen laurel]

yeah

[vagrant fox]

Archaon simply must win

[spring cairn]

oh there's literally a cyborg tease at the end of the wb's trailer

[rose thorn]

So yndrasta should win!

[celest dome]

No Lioness of Parch

[spring cairn]

cyborgs next week...

[rocky gale]

Yea these are weird options tbh

[queen laurel]

yeah i'm choosing archaon

[rocky gale]

Like Yndrasta is a fine model, but no Tahlia Vehdra or Ushoran is nuts

[queen laurel]

i mean their choices are already confusing 2 Stormcast and one chaos

[celest dome]

I like Yndrasta, Angel looking people are good

[rocky gale]

Yea you would have thought it would have been one from each of the major orders at least

[queen laurel]

Yeah Like yndrasta, Archaon, Gordrakk and Ushoran

that would make sense

but i think Gordrakk will be replaced by the loon king

GW loves the gits

[winged silo]

I'm thinking about having my homebrew chapter from the 21st founding, and the whole reason for their issue is that the Mechanicus found some Tsons Gene-Seed and sought to remove the Flesh Change error by mixing in some White Scars Gene-Seed (heretical), but that just led to a large amount of them having psionics and warp powers and a mutation that makes their eyes appear as if they have flame billowing out from them, but I'm still deciding things, like style of warfare, presence of a second physical aberration or a mental one.

[celest dome]

Destruction wise, i'd see that one more than Grodrakk

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/5/5c/Drogz_M01.jpg

[storm jungle]

homebrew

traitor geneseed

i swear, every time

[winged silo]

What else am I supposed to do?

[storm jungle]

Just... make it something that isnt traitor geneseed?

like literally every 40k astartes homebrew chapter?

lol

[winged silo]

Would you rather have another Ultramarines successor or do you want the chimeric Gene-Seed of White Scars and Thousand Sons?

[storm jungle]

You do realise Ultramarine successors can be absolutely nothing like their founding chapter right.

Also chimeric geneseed is one of THE most overdone homebrew pitfalls too

[winged silo]

It came free with your cursed founding.

Most of the time with those it's illegal editing of Gene-Seed by the Mechanicus.

[storm jungle]

Cool. You can still make creative Chapters without chimeric geneseed.

[winged silo]

PURE TSONS GENE-SEED

[vagrant fox]

Honestly, I'd rather take another UM successor who are just weird
You can do what you want to though

[storm jungle]

Yeah that.

[winged silo]

Aight.

Tsons Gene-Seed with the White Scars listed as their actual father chapter as a cover-up.

[storm jungle]

Basically Foundings barely matter. The Chapter's identity is what you make them to be. You can be from an entirely generic boring Chapter like the Imperial Fists and be ABSOLUTELY different and nothing like them ala The Executioners.

Its like how Ultras also got literal cannibals/bonephiliacs like the Mortifiers

[winged silo]

Who do you reckon the Marines Malevolent are descended from?

[vagrant fox]

At this point I've just dropped what specific geneline my chapter has and it's just mutated to be unrecognisable from whichever it was over the long years

[rocky gale]

See mine are Blood Angels who lost the Black Rage ||(Because they never actually had the Black Rage since they're not Blood Angels)|| then had a civil war about what losing the Black Rage meant.

[winged silo]

Neat.

[rocky gale]

It doesn't matter what their geneseed actually is, just that they think it's Blood Angels and I as the author know it's not.

[storm jungle]

likely Ultramarines

they got 0 problems with their geneseed

also most Successors descend from their line

[vagrant fox]

I get the desire to make traitor geneseed for rule of cool and some drama but after seeing so, so many it becomes very eh. It's kind of a nothingburger in the end, it doesn't really matter much who their daddy is with mild caveats

[storm jungle]

Yeah again its extremely overused because its the classic "cool oc donutsteel" effect.

[vagrant fox]

I break one because it's 4 companies of 300 that each do their own thing

[storm jungle]

Bingo boards are more "the more you check out the worse it is"

a few is allowed

[winged silo]

I only break two, traitor Gene-Seed and created by Mechanicus.

[rocky gale]

I think I technically don't break any

[vagrant fox]

I did toy with the idea of a huge fleet post rift because they'll want to seize all of the ships they can but I'm not sure

[storm jungle]

Same. Though thats because im extremely autistic about this stuff

[rocky gale]

Since like they didn't cure the flaws of Sanguinius, they just never actually had them.

[storm jungle]

When you wanna do that shit you just need to acknowledge the negative attention that comes with it.

People/officials ALWAYS fear Astartes army-building themselves

[rocky gale]

and they are a Crusade chapter but way less than 1000 because they're a penitent Crusade and keep getting themselves killed on stupid suicidal missions to prove themselves to Pappa Sanguinius

[vagrant fox]

Yeah, they've more or less gone full warlords at that state and start beefing with everyone else Imperial

[storm jungle]

perfect for Nihilus lol

[vagrant fox]

Akshually we're the true Imperium fuck you submit to us ☝️ 🤓

[winged silo]

𓆓𓆯𓅲𓊃𓅃𓆯𓅲𓅂𓇋𓃀𓅃𓇋𓎼𓇋 𓏏𓄿𓎼 𓆑𓄿𓊪𓉔𓈖𓅱𓎢𓅱𓈖𓄿 PSYKER BLAST!

[rocky gale]

and the only Codex deviant bit is that their High Chaplain is known as The Confessor and when a Marine becomes The Confessor the person they were before is now dead to their brothers, their name is entered into the records of the fallen and they don the Death Mask of Sanguinius (The only person in the chapter allowed to wear it) and he is basically equal in rank to the Chapter Master.

[celest dome]

If I had to create a homebrew SM Chapter, i'd probably lean on a Psyker/Librairian heavy Chapter, with it being a pet project of the Astra Telepathica

[winged silo]

DARN IT WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT? MY CHAPTER HAS A LARGE AMOUNT OF PSYKERS!

[vagrant fox]

did you just throw bits of gardiners sign list at me

[solid horizon]

Somehow I feel like homebrew warbands are easier to justify than chapters

[celest dome]

Cause it is more "open"

[vagrant fox]

Yeah just go wild

[solid horizon]

My warband/heretek forge is literally just the admech that fled into eye of terror with peter turbo and the iron dudes

[celest dome]

Like you can do a lot of variety, traitor stock, loyalist turned traitor, mixed warband, using multiple geneseeds

...

[vagrant fox]

Burning Eye Legion my most beloved
It's just a single guy

[raven stone]

Play Red Corsairs
outright use Heresy Era Marine bits. Because you can.

...you could even have a Corsair Lord who quite literally tries to organise his war band using Legion like squad layouts and structures lol

[rocky gale]

My Warband are just the other side from my Chapters Civil War

[storm jungle]

Kinda depends.

Chaos' entire thing is "do whatever"

[winged silo]

I don't have a warband, but I do have a homebrew Tyranid Splinter Fleet.

[storm jungle]

when you make a Chapter you go in usually knowing the limitations

[solid horizon]

ugh god I hate painting skitariis

these guys are midgets

[winged silo]

If I ever get into miniature painting, I will be 3D printing them so I don't waste money.

[solid horizon]

chinese recasts also work

3D printing is very hit or miss depending on your gear

[winged silo]

Either resin or plastic.

I think resin printing might work better for that kind of work, but I think conventional plastic would work good as well, without being as toxic. Which is especially good because I own two cats and a stupid dog who doesn't know any better.

[opaque coyote]

"I try not to smile. It still happens."

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[storm jungle]

Frank my goat

tho lore-accurate frank would be more cold with the murder

(still based tho lol)

[opaque coyote]

Yeah the Punisher sub is banning anybody that posts it btw

💀

[storm jungle]

KEK

[shadow plover]

I'd say something about the amerikkkan gestapo but I don't want to be banned from discord again

[storm jungle]

"The artwork itself is political appropriation"

do you guys like

know what Punisher is

[raven stone]

Punisher is weird in that I do feel both sides are "getting it wrong"

Frank supports a brutal brand of justice - and he does not care if the injustice stems from agencies or individuals.

He will always kill the responsible party, end of story.

[dapper gyro]

Double standard...

[shadow plover]

"Yeah he's a badass cop who kills the criminals 🙂 "

[opaque coyote]

This is also true.

[storm jungle]

Frank is a psychopath and what he does is morally wrong. The issue is he also kills the worst of the worst, hes a commentary on how far can a man fall on the path of vengeance.

[dapper gyro]

Moderating a political character without being political...

[storm jungle]

The issue is its also satisfying to see people who get away wit hthis shit IRL be executed.

[raven stone]

That too, yea

[opaque coyote]

Still though it is funny that a fan comic is lore accurate

For once

And then it gets banned

[storm jungle]

Inherently in my eyes Frank is a hero so lol

[dapper gyro]

The punisher is supposed to do the work that the law doesn't cover or corrupted.

[storm jungle]

Yeah that.

[dapper gyro]

Yet the people put it on are doing the opposite.

[storm jungle]

Frank is the symbol of a broken system

[dapper gyro]

Corrupted and follow a baseless law, using the law as the shield for brutality.

[opaque coyote]

People do crazy things when the system doesn't prevent tragedies

[dapper gyro]

He is "if the law thinks of stopping me, why doesn't it stop them". ICE is "I'm the law"...

[winged silo]

I shall make a homebrew Forge World.

[rose thorn]

Hmmm

[rocky gale]

New Khymera?

[heady rivet]

"Cartoon character agrees with me" always got me recoiling

[heady rivet]

Necromunda mini

[rocky gale]

Ash Wastes creature?

[heady rivet]

No idea but it will be used for Necromunda

[rose thorn]

Mood

[rose thorn]

I can see it

TERRARIA UPDAYE RAGHH

[heady rivet]

Shoutout to the psychic baby devils which are just a thing btw

[terse kestrel]

How and why does every Dark Angel take on a biblical reference name but The Lion does not

[solid horizon]

because Dark Angels are a reference to The Lion

[terse kestrel]

I just imagine the star wars family guy palpatine scene where Azrael is walking through the ship going “Hello Azrael… Azrael… Azrael…”

[solid horizon]

in the first place

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Johnson

[arctic talon]

Yeah that

lol

[storm jungle]

because they based primarch names on obscure-ish pop culture references

Lionel Johnson being one of them lol

[storm jungle]

the Legion/Chapter shit got made up later

[terse kestrel]

Interesting

[solid horizon]

IIRC it's a poem about his gay lover or something

[storm jungle]

its about his repressed homosexual urges

[solid horizon]

yeah that

[terse kestrel]

The dark angel names seriously are a bit lame imo, especially when there’s only so many of them and at one point like 100,000 of them

[storm jungle]

I mean its 40k

[solid horizon]

Lion El Johnson isn't gay, he just hates aliens

[storm jungle]

same setting as Therox Hellbreed

and Robobooty Guilliver

[full obsidian]

dark angels are gay? 🤯

[storm jungle]

yeah just like you, the player

[solid horizon]

space marines are

[arctic talon]

I mean that’s how sucessor chapters work lol

It’s not like their naming convention seems to change much

Between successor chapters

[storm jungle]

also its a big galaxy

not everyone is gonna have a christian biblio-name

lol

[arctic talon]

Lionel Johnson says yes

[solid horizon]

I am gay because I pray slaneesh
You are gay because you are a space marine

We are not the same

[arctic talon]

💀

[storm jungle]

"Gay = Slaanesh" never heard that before

[solid horizon]

I mean

slaneesh dudes are known to do some stuff with other dudes

it's pleasure for everyone regardless of what they are

mutual or not

[storm jungle]

They really dont

[winged jacinth]

Its so funny that the dark angels heresy lore is like "a guy named luther nailed 95 theses to the primarchs door and started a schism" and instead of having to do with that the lion's references are completely unrelated

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

[solid horizon]

"nuh uh"

[storm jungle]

Ya.

slaanesh's "pleasure" is literally just Hellraiser body horror

[solid horizon]

I know lol

my brother has a slaneesh army

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1458483379686080532/wawawawawawawawawawawawawawa_bnuy.gif

[solid horizon]

I, as an iron warrior player, cannot fathom it

[winged jacinth]

Its not like some slaanesh guy who wants to bang women is gonna run out of women

[solid horizon]

theyre gonna bang everyone they can those dopamine addicts

[winged jacinth]

Though im sure they're partial to big sex piles

[vagrant fox]

clownpill me on danie ware, is she good author

[solid horizon]

danie ware dark crusade

[arctic talon]

I like her short stories

[storm jungle]

Not too bad of an author

id still wait for reviews tho

Sisters books are really hit and miss lol

[heady rivet]

Going back in time to make the Dark Angels lean into the Lion larp like Space Wolves and making the Space Wolves even more Norse larp

[fervent geode]

Danie ware has made mostly good SoB books so ill keep my hopes up

[terse kestrel]

I couldn’t find a dark angel that didn’t, but I suppose that is just named characters. I thought the lore is that once they enter the inner circle (veteran+), they take a bible name on

[storm jungle]

Theres a lot more in the books with non-biblical names

the special characters get all the christian stuff

[fervent geode]

Merir Astelan

[terse kestrel]

Were any of them somewhat high ranked? I couldn’t remember any but I’m also a noob

[fervent geode]

And uh Corswain

Marduk Sedras too sorta

[storm jungle]

^

[storm jungle]

So and so, just sergants/captains and so on

these people dont really get recognized because they are just unnotable

[terse kestrel]

Merir has high credibility. That’s interesting

[fervent geode]

Corswain is a Lord Commander

Marduk Sedras is the master of the dreadwing

Merir was in charge of the training of marines on Caliban, appointed by senhor luther

[vagrant fox]

I see she has a bunch of SoB novels I've wanted to pick up but haven't because well, it's very hit and miss with those

[terse kestrel]

I looked up the wrong marduk lol

[fervent geode]

Ah lmao

There are uh

[terse kestrel]

Apparently there’s two people named that interesting name

[fervent geode]

A few

[fervent geode]

I like our Marduk better, but Sedras has my respect for bombing loyalists

[terse kestrel]

Marduk Sedras is definitely a dark elf npc in morrowind

[fervent geode]

Ye

Also Marduk Tamaris of the Emperor's Children

And Marduk is an imperial saint iirc

[terse kestrel]

The dreadwing seem pretty bad ass

[fervent geode]

They are

[vagrant fox]

Marduk Tamaris is the best one, trust me

[fervent geode]

Massacres, purges and exterminatus, and also killing loyalists

[fervent geode]

This is an example of a statement that gets the Dreadwing to pull up on your planet

[terse kestrel]

I wonder why the dreadwing would canonically no longer exist

[arctic talon]

No need

In chapter structure

Also they still have the gear

The way the legions were set up had specialists

All chapters are generalists

Legionaries are way worse quality compared to a marine nowadays

[fervent geode]

They don't do mass purges and exterminatus as much either

[arctic talon]

Yeah that also

They’re not taking over new planets and bringing them into compliance now

They don’t need to do as much mass genocide

If they need to bring out dreadwing stuff they don’t need specialists now

The average marine is fully trained in the usage of that stuff

A legionary was not

A legionary back in ye old day got given their job, and they stuck with it till they died

If you’re a line marine your a line marine

[terse kestrel]

I was wondering if it was a budget issue. They used all the expensive stuff

[arctic talon]

If you’re a pilot you’re a pilot

Ect.

[vagrant fox]

This is like getting murdered for telling the truth

[arctic talon]

The dark angel “wings” were taken inspiration from for guillimans company structure

But there’s no point in them now with modern marine doctrine

[fervent geode]

Well, the truth also includes Fallen existing so...

[arctic talon]

Deathwing and the ravenwing exist out of traditions sake

Rather then any practical application

With deathwing just being a normal first company with a lot of terminator armor

[terse kestrel]

I’m kinda glad they’ve reworked the deathwing to be more adaptable, the ravenwing seem kinda lame

[arctic talon]

Deathwing in the heresy era were entirely just body guards which was

Weird lol

[terse kestrel]

But they get to keep the cool black colour

[arctic talon]

Ngl

I like the green more

💀

[terse kestrel]

They had two bodyguard units in 30k?

[vagrant fox]

Ravenwing is cool

[fervent geode]

Ravenwing Black Knights my beloved

[terse kestrel]

They had the Paladins

[arctic talon]

Nah the whole role of the deathwing was to serve as body guards

During the heresy

Nowadays they’re just the 1st company

They didn’t even have the most terminator armor

[terse kestrel]

Is that different than the Paladins/company champions

[arctic talon]

Paladins are honor guard drawn from the deathwing

Company champions are unrelated to both

[terse kestrel]

In terms of rp, which mostly affects how I dress up in sm2, I kind of hate how every position in every company is named

I usually just dress up as a sergeant because there’s so few champions and they’re always named

[arctic talon]

This is why you pick a chapter that isn’t UM

Or first founding

Then you can larp as brother genericus

Or not

[terse kestrel]

Like the black templars champion pack they released only is worn by like 2 people

I think it’s the same with the dark angels champion pack

https://preview.redd.it/the-lore-of-the-dark-angels-champion-in-sm2-v0-e4gsvvtgg5ee1.jpeg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=849cf5acf344863628272b6fd0d0424846c1d26e

As far as I can tell I think only like 20 or 30 people would be wearing this helmet

[vagrant fox]

and my SM2 character

[arctic talon]

There can be more if you make it a sucessor chapter

Lul

[terse kestrel]

Like oc or just any canon one

[vagrant fox]

Why not either

[terse kestrel]

For some reason this is my brain when people talk about successor chapters, the only one I’ve liked so far is the Raptors

[fervent geode]

Why not Astral Claws, give em a look see