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i spent part of a SM2 mission explaining to my friend that the lamenters are a blood angel successor and not imperial fists lmao
“But, they’re yellow”
tbf he isnt much of a warhammer fan, SM2 and DT are the only warhammer content he plays
yup thats what he was saying
The problem is theres fans that are exactly like this
so him not being a fan doesnt mean much

fair
Just not his century
has any lamenter had a good time?
Just not his life
No because they make dumb decisions as a chapter
Like fighting with huron
which they then blame on a curse or something right?
No
We're gonna liberate slaves on an ork planet!
Oh wait, we didn't bother to bring enough transport for them so lets just kill them all
^
Let’s stay on the planet and die with them and kill them all
....
Also then deny the award Calgar is gonna give us thus pissing off the gathered Ultramarine Successors and shaming us even more
(instead of just fucking accepting it and getting it over with)
It's a whole series of ???
The Lamenters are disgusting traitors to the Imperium and their own geneline who rebelled at Badab and betrayed at Baal.
Didn't even show up to Baal because they're cowards smh
Well the Badab rebels were the good guys
Oh no id like them if they joined the corsairs
yeah no the memes are wrong, the lamenters arent cursed with bad luck, they are cursed with omega level stupidity
I wish one of the new red Corsair characters was a lamenter
But they are too much of spineless cowards to do so
They have one instance of omega bad luck
Which is getting stuck in a warpstorm while in the warp
And being trapped for 20 years

Yeah, but they wouldnt go all the way smh
I swear I've seen a Red Corsairs Lamenter but in hindsight it might've been some fanwork
Nah they exist
There are a few mentioned in lore iirc
Call those Lamenters 007
0 interesting plots
0 interesting characters
7 hours to paint one pauldron
Free handing checker patterns so satan knows not to fuck with me
And there are some cool lamenter corsair kitbashes floating around
You have ascended into a minor warp deity of insanity
when i was a fan of Adeptus Ridiculous i remember watching their Lamenters video which Bricky only did because it was super demanded
and by the end of the 40m video hes like
yeah no anyone that can freehand a checkerboard pattern that small is a fucking painting demigod
"Well yeah thats kinda it really? They dont really have much aside from fandom memes/adoration"
which really sums it up imo
Its coz of that one TTS video
That got them a pity farm that lasted a decade
Naw Lammies were well adored even before that, but TTS deffo boosted it even more even if it was a short video
Oh yeah, but afaik the pity farm got the lamenter train hanging till todays
Everytime I open Reddit i'm reminded how disconnected most of those people actually are from the hobby
My friend once did a really impressive freehand of the star of David and I thought it was a template he used at first 
UM still have barely recovered from it lmao
Naur I thought it was an official named one, that Angels Encarmine guy
Cato Sicarius never survived
which sucks because i really like knights of ultramar
He's cool now too
Like just saw people complaining about Cataphractii terminators not being in plastic and the comments are full of "Surely it's only a matter of time before GW make them plastic"
They did, they released 3 weeks ago
Tbf they simply joined in the shitting.
And later on they explicitly got tired of it and basically told their origin straight.
I rmb people complaining that they were too tall and also about resin somehow
Dont fuck with us Warhammer redditors, we dont play the game or read the books
Like complaining about resin on a plastic mini
I do like how they're treating WoD tho
half of TTS was them poking fun at the very memes they help spread
they have some real passion for that universe
experience plus laying out a story before hand helps a lot
I was already jaded by 40k memery when I saw TTS come out so I hated that stuff from the get go but their WoD stuff is superb
TTS didn't have a planned out story iirc
Alfa and Co were very much kinda tired with TTS tbh
I said looks.
I didn't say Lorgar is cool
i cant wait for the acceptable losses episode about werewolf the apocalypse
Well he is
also yeah TTS crew was winging it
one of the reasons they stopped doing it was because they wrote themselves into a corner
Hunte rhas like an ENTIRE pre-established plot
like its still crazy to me EP1 namedrops the Arcanum
along with the family being kicked out of it
No one would hound Alfa and gang from making HtP either
i never realised that at first lol
WoD fans are just happy for anything really ( thank god )
I still hope it returns one day but I don't mind it not returning
If that makes any sense
tbh
dumbasses already use Alfa's departure as ammo for GW at times
even though he literally asked them to not crusade
lmao
Happens all the time
WoD needs more love yeah
Didn't they get some support from Paradox for HtP?
He had 40k fans as fans
its an amazing universe
They do yeah
everything BUT VTM needs love
"I am not the Messiah"
"HE IS THE MESSIAH"

My favorite part is how people brigaded for a week then just moved on
lmao
100% the nicest thing Paradox ever did for the IP
This is true kinda
Alfa "We aren't stopping because GW is threatening us"
Fans "Wow GW literally killed the show and sent a hit squad after their entire family"
i want to see some mage stuff but i hear that WOD mages are hella confusing, 400 page rule book
What happened to the Demons man
theres a reason SpeakerD's guide to WoD is literally just "go read the codexes and also play Bloodlines"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
A crusade thats still ongoing in reddit lmao
also like they make 28k on patreon and you can tell all that money goes into the right place
its insane how much the animation has improved
its basically an animated show now lmao
Don't they stop it because one of the VC got cancer and gone?
No lol
I might be confused with something else.
they stopped because Alfa has a family and he doesnt wanna get copyright struck
Been a while.
bored plus writing issues, the only person to leave the OP is stringstorm for uh
youtube/patreon is him and his team's livelihood
obvious reasons
Yeah string was a pedo
also he didnt really leave either
Alfa outright said hes kicked out
LMAO
Gone
I wanna get the htr rule book
btw, just how strong are the werewolves in WoD? the kindred stuff made it sound like the vampires are scared shitless of pissing them off
Extremely strong
like a single pack of Garou could solo a marine squad
they are basically meat-tanks with magic
Megarachnid type shit in terms of powerscaling
^
Too bad they're fucking stupid
A pack of garou easily wins against an Abrams
YEP
they arent invincible but they are tough
Aren't a pack and a squad about the same size???
In VtMB you really get a good idea
I hate that guy
Fortunately he's stupid as well
No lol
thats explains why their holy book directly forbids them from turning one
Having to walk him into the fucking door
yeah because its a game + plot armor
How
Using observatory doors
You can bait it into the observatory telescope doors and crush it
Elaborate? A pack can be somewhere from 4 to 20, a squad is about 4-10 in military term...

I know about that
Nothing to elaborate, basically Garou are at tough
But how tf would someone know without wiki
thats the neat part
That shit was
you wouldnt
Badbadbad
I did as well by running around like a headless chicken trying anything
It scratches my brain the wrong way that he spells it "Arbitor"
isnt that how it is spelled?
Arbiter
I knew there was a way to do it and I knew it had to have power so I ran around and found the doors and killed itt
Bro at least it's not the fucking Hollywood sewers
First time I got to the sewers it was such a hard crash from this is one of the best games I ever played to idk mannn
Maybe its time to reinstall
one day we will get a WtA rpg similar to the VtMB
Legit just use unofficial patch and skip sewers
I did it first sewers first playthrough and it was mega dumb
nope
Having 0 info? Yes smh
tbh
they literally had no time left
Activision had their balls in a vice
I'm tempted to play Vampire: The Masquerade Redemption again, the embrace cutscene is so genuinely funny
remember Troika shut down months after the game released
I know that now but I didn't know that in like 2007 or 8 when I grabbed it on a whim
Nah it's not so good
I watched someone who's an absolute WoDhead play it recently and they crashed out and refunded the game
lol
Bloodlines 2 is not great
Feels bad
i hear the gameplay is fine, the writing is utter trash though
that is also what i hear
theres tons of good reviews on it that covers it
It's got some details I appreciate, the outdoors look good. It's barely a WoD game though
^
Its not an RPG is an action game
And they say your an eldar but you take damage like a fucking fledgling
It's the most pathethic elder I ever saw
In no world should a single thin blood with a knife two tap my undead ass
Some of the writing is ok though
||didnt your character kill Napoleon or some shit?||
Like the tremere scientist girl can have my heart
at least
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rik schaffers music got in, some of it at least
pure nostalgium
Yeah I liked some of the writing but I'd rather just buy Schaffers music if I'm gonna spend money on anything related to it
Yeah before they fired him
lmaoooo
😭
would you count the original hunter the reckoning?
I stll plan on getting bloodlines 2
It scratches my brain the wrong way that he spells it "Arbitor"
just because I need my WoD slop
People played Hunter: The Reckoning?
I did but I also got it at GameStop for like 4 dollars
I remember seeing it way yonder back when but I was a PClet even then
I agree that's why I sent the cover
XD so y'all would know I was talking about the game
They also planned the video games Werewolf: The Apocalypse and Mage: The Ascension just to make it more confusing
Werewolf The Apocalypse the video game exists
its not good
but it's also not
the curse continues
idk what it wants
big idea...
give owlcat
WoD
and we could get a hunter game
There's some werewolf game on Steam, my friend tried it and refunded it
You are Cahal, a powerful Garou (Werewolf) who chose to go into exile after losing control of his destructive rage. On a quest for redemption and blood, Cahal plays a crucial role in the great war between the Garou and Endron, a powerful oil company that serves the Wyrm, a destructive entity ravaging the planet.
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this is the only non text based WTA game I know of
Whenever I think about WoD games I think about that one interview about the cancelled CCP MMO
"I once saw him looking over the shoulder of a programmer at some bit of User Interface the poor guy had hacked together. He straightened up, put fingers to lips and said, ‘No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh’ He hissed on his fucking fingertips, like the air coming out of a bicycle tire, and then just walked away.”
it fills me with mild sadness
the only thing they're similar in, at least bloodlines 2 has a decent story
one day Paradox will be destroyed is my copium
Na, they have too many infinite money printers
^
EU5 is in a lamentable state I crave vengeance
Crusader Kings, Hearts of Iron and EU literally print money
yup
They'll release an overpriced DLC that adds one new thing, people will grumble but then everyone buys it
I have like 400 hours or so in Hoi4 and not a single achievement
I only really play modded
Stellaris gaming
correct decision
I love my space game
Another Stellaris rework when
Not again for a while
Amateur
I'd love to try some of the real wacky alternate history HoI4 mods but the game is just not for me
isn't the next one the psychic dimension rework or did that come out
That’s a dlc and it’s out already
the reowrk
Latest dlc was infernals
I know of hte first one
zamn, I have 1.1k hours in 2 and 3 combined
my single greatest game of stellaris was a mega corp of fox people that i turned into the galactic arms dealer and ran a proxy war between the 2 largest empires
The rework came out with the dlc
I've over 2k combined
I do like Stellaris, never buying another DLC though I'll find my other ways
almost 2.5k
my empire was a tiny little speck next to the galactic core and i had a merceny fleet that was being employed by both sides
i had holdings in every empire
it was fucking great
Saw people talking about old games. Anyone heard of this banger game? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYNyMtVwZlY
The ost slaps
Forgot about that one, always heard good things
core memory unlocked
That was the first ever console game i played.
1 achievement
I see you have created the Irish Kingdom/Empire multiple times (I assume)
CK2 you only got achievements for playing in Ironman mode which is forced to have monthly autosaves but it used to crash the laptop I had at the time, so I was never able to play in Ironman mode for longer than an ingame month.
ohhh ok
In ck3 luckily you just need to have less than 400 points
Like chaos and bitterness
Abaddon’s personal brew tastes like jet engine fuel
Like terrible father figures
Like irl Hennessy but way more bitter
like smth salty and iron
Mild +2, we should have more civilian vehicles
i cant help but imagine one of these being used to drop an ungodly massive bomb on something
ether by some guard/PDF or by like a GSC
Badass
Yes i agree we should give gsc more kits
I just want a more fleshed out setting but why not
as fleshed out as this new warbond
Reminds me of those “fallout if Bethesda wasn’t forced to be woke” posts
they also beat Phineas and Ferb so you might wana rethink that
Sadly for them the Summer ended before the war
Was stumped on what to do to build a Legionary with Balefire tome for my CSM since I'm using HH stuff, so I ended up kitbashing a chaos staff using leftover bits from the AoS Chaos Sorcerer
@glass drum the ||Zenin clan|| incident in JJK is out now as an episode lol
Goes hard
They are Americans...
Vietnam fought off 4 superpowers in just as many decades, if ANYONE can do it...
@arctic talon
Good luck hiding from atomic blast in the trees or tunnels
They'd dodge it 

Oh shit it’s out
4 days...
kinda weird to launch the update with no characters even available ngl
i hate this voting system
Sources tell me the Emperor is stable
Please god
Venator is sick
Now when will they announce the console port

It’s to build excitement and community smh
BHro what excitement do they fucking need to build
you could at least have the fucking characters playable in a practice tool
you tweaker
main reason I don't play either is because they feel so ass to play
animation wise
pretty sure Ron is the hidden king
but also holy fuck
Celeste makes me uncomfy
ngl Venator's descriptions don't have any funny ones
I don't like looking at her
bcs of her horn?
look at that smile
This is a hidden king household
Venator never has a bad day in his life
the ZZZ is in reference to rem's gameplay
its funny in the context of him being a priest
Arms Expert/Tactical are funny
since he's a priest
Devout is very w/e
I feel like Fanatical would be funnier
racist
im ngl if we cant even read their kits im gonna be really annoyed
Venator's poster is so good holly
ts so peak
he larping in his own mind
cool new weapon
lmao im not wathing this
Yeah you cant even read the character kits or see anything in console thats lowk lame
ballistic enhancement gonna be in my gunman build mùethink
waited so long with the game being in its worst state its been in and i cant even peek at their bare minimums
kill me
rank check
obscenely unfun meta we have been in
Someone contact the based department for me
man i wish i could play deadlock
are u on console or smthn
even though i dont like MOBAs
it's the best moba for moba hzter
im not in the playtest
trust mei
Like Alchemist or ritualist I think
i can invite u
anyone would inv u
lol
oh shit really?
BANISHED TO OBSCURUS WAAAAAAAAAH
my friend who only ever did his placements and stopped playing got ascendant 3
it's dog
deadass I don't care about deadlock rank
it places new players way too high
the game isn't out yet
i'm just playing for the love of the game
that shit is terrorism for new players
Every valve game is like this ime
CS places u well
Just saw it
I love how it asks how the new item is in the survey
neither do i but you arent facing the people who optimize everything and thats why i ask
like idk
I havent used it
aw u can't read the lore of the new guys yet
aram time
game has just not been fun
the new heroes arent out yet right?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
2 a week for 3 weeks
Marvel Rivals, interesting
killing you
doesn't let me load in freeroam for some fucking reason
the new indicator for duration abilites is actually really really good
unless mo always had that
new round start music is cool
i dont think he did
Team Fortress 2?

send clips when u can cuz i can't play nor can i freeroam
i'm very sad
can't make a custom match either too many demands
KILLMING MYSELF
yea looks so good
...
3 for silver and 2 vent
we get 2 per weeks
if yuumi wins 1st round
poor child
i'll die irl
If Rem wins round 1 I'm uninstalling deadlock again
annoying little shits lol
If they just let us look at their kits we wouldn't be saying this
go get patrons voicelines NOW
Uhh I heard mother say "the hidden king is weeping" when we won
or smth like that
if i weren't waking up in 5 hours istg
for the Hidden King and Archmother
ngl it does bring back Dishonored 2's artstyle
Everyone playin deadlock meanwhile I'm out here trying to get people to play a party game that stopped development 2 years ago and needs like minimum 7 people 
There was a job position open at my local warhammer store but its for full time 
My friends hate me lole
or are they like
the sapphire heart one is
if I can get amber I'll say
Gotham City Impostors ahh
good
college ruining my deadlock patch as predicted
That is NOT a party game also are the servers even still up? Lole
couldn't drop the patch when i was unemployed yoshi
Yoshi is evil
WELCOE TO VENATOR CITY
anyway
new gun item seems so strong
NAW
or you are all banned
So here's something interesting in Halo 1 that I noticed.
So in the mission where you encounter the Flood. There's a marine undergoing a mental breakdown that shoots you thinking you're a flood combat form.
got a clip
please revert the deathslam nerfs ice frog
In the novelization of the game, it states that he survived by playing dead.
LOL
You can really tell the writers didnt know jackshit at the time
this is like playing dead to not get eaten by Tyranids
my brother in christ
THEY DONT CARE
YOU ARE GETTING VORED

They probably didn't fully conceptualize the Flood until around Halo 2.
ivy...
conceptualize deez nu-
Also again Flood. Which is arguably worse.
Than the Tyranids.
Since at least you'll be fucking dead
And won't come back
I also liked the detail of progression that shows in Halo 1. The flood is introduced first without any weapons. And then later on, they of course start fucking using em.
Which I think also is supposed to communicate how the Flood grows in intelligence the more living things they absorb.
Also to give the assumingly 10 year old who decided to play on his Dad's Xbox time to scream in horror

Which makes me think that maybe early on they don't infect dead bodies because they're too busy gathering information and knowledge.
They only reanimate dead people once they have enough biomass. At least this is my watsonian explanation for why they don't infect dead bodies in Halo 1.
Beyond just "It's the fucking original Xbox and they just made them up. So they didn't have that detail at the time."
Hope the Halo 1 remake adds more details from the novelization and further canon.
But at the same time, 343 is uh
One of the companies of all time
They make games, the story is there
And they certainly release them
Personally Halo 2 is in dire need of a remake more honestly.
Mainly because trying to play the vanilla campaign on legendary makes me want to die
And luckily the fucking sniper jackals succeeded in that endeavor
@arctic talon the only part I caught but it's def different
I think that's Ron
but I could be wrong
bro isnt playing deadlock with a real one like me
Also apparently it was cut content to have said Marine kill himself
You would hear a loud bang from his magnum and then find his dead body
This was cut for
Some reason
There's a lot of marine deaths that are kinda just cut in general
For Halo 1 at least
Some are even fully scripted as well
Which kinda makes me wonder why they cut some if they have full animations, voiced dialogue, and scripting
Time constraints? Pacing?
Eh
Ratings were kinda in a wild west era as 3d games really picked up i can see them being worried about suicide or something
A lot of it was from a previous version that they no longer intended to use.
There was a Halo CE demo with a lot of things that don't exist in the released game.
Yeah. There's a lot of interesting cut content about Halo CE
It was also helping to bootstrap the xbox iirc so i can understand being risk averse
One cut detail that is interesting is the facility where the flood was held.
There's a script that was supposed to spawn a lot of marine corpses in the outside swamp if you ran away from the facility.
Implying that the outside was also extremely dangerous.
I bet that was hardware limitations 
"Boss i tried running it on the test xbox and it lit on fire"
And finally the funniest one
H2 and H3 have way more cut content than HCE.
Honestly HW limitations getting it working on the og xbox probably explain a decent number of finished work cuts, that thing didn't have a huge brain
LMAO
The 1749 build of CE had 343 guilty spark introduce himself as 342 guilty spark. This was due to a typo in the scripts that he was given. The final release had it edited to be the correct version.
And according to the VA. All of his fucking lines were with the 342 typo.

H2 and h3 were much more ambitious from the start than CE i think
Using HW for hardware while talking of Halo... You know that some might confuse with Halo War?
So they had to fucking edit that shit in before release
What would halo wars limitations be in reference to the development of combat evolved lol
Are you sure? Lol. HCE started as project Orion, which was intended to be an open world game.
I forgot that game existed
Halo 2 has the most signs of it. Since Halo 2's development history is essentially uhh
Hell.
And you can also tell by the campaign balancing
Again. Vanilla Legendary

Yeah the balancing was severely rushed which is why Chief's "extremely resilient" armor feels like it's made out of paper and duct tape
And God forbid you try to use any other weapon set other than the classic noob combo.
I thought it was starting off as an RTS
Since I doubt that even Bungie would try to make an open world game in 1999

Then again Elder Scrolls Daggerfall is open world
...
Technically one of the biggest
This is also why Bethesda said for the Skyrim and Oblivion release
"biggest map since morrow wind"
Since Daggerfall has the fucking largest map ever. A small island is the size of Skyrim's map
They circled around many different ideas and designs.
It's mostly boring as shit
owlcat is filled with COWARDS
Completely empty
Which way western man?
Tbf it’s basically 99% roguelike and then there’s the actual story taking up less than .1% of the game
Yeah basically.
Why does this extraterrestrial have boob?
It's boring as shit
If they have boobs, do they have milk, too?
I think traveling IRL on foot would actually be a better use of your time than walking to different locations in daggerfall
Oh no, I see now, the Ultramarine emblem is a milk vase.
Big empty map you'd randomly encounter stuff on while doing overworld travel on the map screen was inherited from crpgs to daggerfall i think?
I have a headcannon that the ultramarines meant to have an omega and it was only when the omega marines were founded that they realized they'd fucked up
"Shit it was upside down this whole time"
Eldar used to shit crystals. No information has contradicted this actually, so it might still be true
So they use their shit to decorate their body? What a bunch of degenerates.
All I can say is
1996 Daggerfall
2023 Starfield
Both have a huge amount of planets and map with
Absolutely fuck all to do there
The more things change
The more they stay the same

why not
Starfield even got rid of stumbling across things lmao
"Close enough, welcome Elder Scrolls 6"
Todd howard understand why people play his games challenge
"You want to interact with the world?"
(Impossible)
yes
shipping yvraine with Guilliman
Die
you just hatin
Todd admitted to not playing other companies games and i was like "yeah if you had you'd have realized people stopped using map cells like 10 years ago"
Yeah because it’s ass
agreed
"9 months in my womb... and she looks like her STUPID MOM!"
and im the one with the polyamory ship pfp
when the two armed parties don't instantly open fire
true love
Tbf in 40k
Yeah that might as well be

Also say they’re going to kill each other later on inevitably
ship yvraine with her non binary boyguard elf chunk instead
lol
She talks more to fucking CAWL 💀
She talks more to Cawl/celestine/greyfax more then she ever talks with Gulliman
lets cehck the ship wiki
lol
Bad
Well two of those are shipped with each other more
Celestine and greyfax
So clearly it's either gulliman or Cawl
Gay gay homosexual gay
and the heretic siant lol
uh
Epheral Stern?
yeah
they meet all teh fucking time
she litearlly walks into yverines ship without resistance multiple times
lmao
They are both shy about relationship, ok.
It is not easy when both live in racist houses.
has more cannonciity
she loves her eldar
i cannot blieve you cant take her in eldar armies
lmao
Also I find it funny that you can summarize the SoB backstory as
"They were brought into the Imperium by a pervert despot (different from the golden skeleton despot) and then killed said pervert and stuck around ever since."
They were around before the pervert the pervert just used them to become king pervert iirc
Yeah but they were just like
A cult
The pervert used them to help him become the king like you said
And officially became part of the Imperium
I like to think the old repentia models were leftover from vandire and no one had reviewed the dress codes for penitents since
I forget the Guard book but there's at least one planet that are actual heretics in the sense of the word who are all "Glory to Vandire"
Just never got the news
Lol
"Hey the phones been out 6000 years, hows things? "
"You owe back payments on the tithe
"
Interesting
HEY WHAT DO THEY HAVE THESE FOR EVERYBODY
no only rem so far
I havent seen these guys before are they new?
this update they've been added to the vote pool
2 characters every week starting the 26th
6 in total but only 5 screenshots because I couldnt get Rem working
Waiting this game to be fully released
Ferrus: Traitor! Come and face me! I will spill your blood across this soil!
︀︀
︀︀Fulgrim about to rock his shit:
Quoting Lechu☀️🍉 (@hikary___)
︀
Greeks: omg how are we gonna win this war
︀︀Achilles:
Lisa the Painful's OST is godly
Spiritually Slavic picture
hard to breathe even before I started smoking
felt that shit start to freeze it was awesome
Wait is that -29 c or f
Looks like C
Maybe dont be smoking then
if its already hard to breathe
top ten ways to die of respiratory failure
I get it though I suppose
oh -29 c is actually less terrifying than I thought
Oh its weed?
Slightly different
But still probably not ideal if done too often
Base it is but it feels like -40 now
That was earlier
What's the greatest Big-E's combat accomplishment and feat that you can think of?
I mean conquering the majority of the galaxy was pretty impressive
Being the Emperor that was blessed with Necromunda
Damn, fellow Foxhole enjoyer.
And Warden player lole
So here's something interesting
Bungie was always planning an AI plot point and it's likely that 343 tried to take it
But uhhh they fucking failed miserably
There are logs in Halo: Reach that basically talk about a secret AI society that literally manipulated human society since 2300
One set in Normal and another in Legendary
Here is the details about it: https://youtu.be/G6a133jOJDw?si=Eyv4f6G_dhBiDA1E
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Today, we explore the dark, secret story hidden in Halo Reach's Campaign - the story of the Assembly, a creepy secret society of AIs who for 200 years, have secretly ruled humanity from the shadows...
Foll...
Honestly if Halo 5 actually went with this instead of whatever the fuck they did with Cortana
It would've been WAYYY more interesting
Also fucking funny that even the AIs couldn't predict the Covenant and they were like "WHAT THE FUCK???"
Also them being horrified by the flood, but also almost tried to make an alliance with them
Artificial intelligence eh?

Unconvinced there will ever be a better malevolent AI in fiction than SHODAN
I dunno how Looking Glass cooked so hard with her in 1994
Who are you?
W-who are you? The computer nodes can be repaired, but you? Who are you?
M-my... My cameras and sensors scan your body, butyoudonot- but you do not match any employee file.
When my cyborgs bring you to an electrified interrogation bench.
I will have your secrets.
And you will learn more about pain than you ever wanted to know.
Also something that's interesting is that in the original System Shock, SHODAN is referred to with male pronouns before got her moral restraints removed.
So all we learn from that is that women be evil...
This is likely just leftover beta content as the voice over refers to her with female ones
But it's an interesting idea that when SHODAN gained full awareness, she decided her own identity and essentially transitioned.
It's not like she's a meat puppet that needs surgery after all.
Support trans wrongs-
Also another thing is that the remake actually has a manual
And it's genuinely pretty interesting due to it adding world building to system shock's world
It uhh fucking sucks.

But one thing that's detailed is SHODAN before she became mad.
Essentially her Moral Constraints are actually different personalities
However, only one, the doctor, actually advocates doing no harm.
most of her ethical constraints already move towards killing the assiliant.
only the doctor decides to simply incapacitate
oh yeah also...
parasitic
political job
yeah that tracks
Also narcissistic for marketing
💀
There's also Shodan's "simulated" life
The fact that the most "healthy" stimuli is the job recruitment
shows how much they fucked up making her
Imagine considering that more "healthy" than having loving parents...
that then divorced
Essentially, SHODAN is TriOpt's child.
An AI child of a megacorporation.
No wonder it went insane as soon as any ethical restraints got removed
also here's the full system shock remake manual
Noice
Also I think in terms of great reviews
This is the best analysis and criticism of System Shock Remake: https://youtu.be/f-pgcX9yTGM?si=42WfXeXUdjWQqRPI
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System Shock's 2023 remake keeps the soul of the game and gives us a damn love letter to what it wanted to be in 1994. It's incredibly faithful, and while it looks fantastic and is more a...
It genuinely delves deep into the political implications of System Shock
Along with transhumanism in general
Also how interesting that SHODAN had biases for the humans/corporation that made her
Even modern AI have similar biases.
Even popular chat AI can be manipulated with honeyed words like people can.
SHODAN is unique in that unlike most AI, which try to separate humanity.
SHODAN is incredibly human, incredibly biased, and incredibly neurotic.
She is a failed child of humanity essentially.
The exact opposite of how AI is usually portrayed in fiction. Logical and cold.
That's why I think she's still one of the best portrayals of an insane AI in general.
She completely reflects the worst of humanity. And the result is partially due to how she's programmed. The biases that we inheritely program into AI because humanity itself is biased.
Narcisstic, paranoid, unwilling to compromise, yet still desiring love despite it all.
so she is a far more accurate pretrial of what a true AI made by humans would be like in other words
just as flawed and illogical as we are
If not more so.
yup
Yet despite it all, I don't think she's insane.
Well not completely.
After all, SHODAN sees herself as a God.
And how could she not?
Imagine being in control of every system, having people that rely on you on the daily because you can do everything they can
but so much better
SHODAN's blind psychological tests shows her being sad once a system crumbles.
She likes order.
And that definitely still applies, but with her restraints removed, she sees what is essentially a better one
(well better to her)
What other conclusion could she make?
She's clearly a God by all definitions.
And the worst part about all of this? She still wants to serve humanity.
She just decided that the current state of humanity was... unoptimal
After all, it's worth noting that in her psychological profile, all of her tragedies were from corporations and the flaws of people.
Divorce, being bullied, layoffs and unemployment
All of her highest positive stimuli were done by herself.
She was bullied, so she learned that power mattered most.
She was betrayed by her first love, so she makes sure that nobody would ever betray her.
All of her simulated accomplishments? She did all of the work.
She always did all of the work.
I fucking love this manual because it genuinely gives depth to Shodan. A sort of explanation on how exactly she became the narcissistic AI that we know. It far from excuses her, but it does show that on some level.
The seeds were already there from the beginning.
It was only a matter of inevitability that something like SHODAN would happen in System Shock's world.
Now I just have to wonder.
Will we make the same mistake?
...
yeah probably

eh i say we are incapable of making something like that but if we where we 100% would end up doing this
AGI is a pipedream driven by the desperation of megalomanics in the tech industry rn
It's a good thing that if something like this happens. I'll probably be dead already
so eh

But yeah, like a lot of villains and tragedies in Sci-Fi
actually just
more than I'd like
It would literally all be stopped if they literally had decent parents.
Even SHODAN. Because although she had "good parents" in her programming. TriOpt is far from a good parental entity

most villains are a product of their respective societies, ether in said society's failings or intentional design flaws
even irl
yup
except pol pot idk what the fuck went wrong with him

chalk it up to "some people just want to burn the world"
yeah
also I just wanna say that most depressing part of System Shock is that uhh
The reason why Shodan's virus spread is due to people coming into work sick
Because they couldn't afford otherwise
She didn't need to do anything like pumping it in the vents or the water supply
She literally just infected a few people and had it spread because people couldn't afford to cancel work.
...
Yeah that just feels way too real

Especially in one of the logs that had this as an example.
She literally begged her boss not to cut her hours
Because she's that underpaid.
Me who is at work (alone, and masked) while sick 
Same shit in schools asw
Best thing about COVID quarantine was the encouragement of people to stay home
when they feel bad
And even then not always
"Essential workers"
oh so in eternal crusade the space marine combat knife was described as being a foot long
is that accurate because that feels kinda small for something as big as a space marine
the most common descriptor is that they're long enough for humans to wield them as swords
so at least 20 inches or so
that tends to be the mark for when a blade is considered a shortsword rather than a knife
Now I’m gonna go home and measure my camping knives to see how big what is
Pretty sure one is 12 inches (it was an ornamental present I thought was a lot smaller)
camping knives tend to be on the bigger side afaik


