40k-lore-chat

[near wasp]

Ahh equality

[jade holly]

do we have Mutilators yet or is that a whole new model?

[arctic talon]

Mutilators were an old mini

They got discontinued

When they new obliterators came out

[rocky gale]

Real old

[arctic talon]

Also they were ugly as shit

Came out 6e btw

[jade holly]

Holy fuck he looks like a Gmod player got to him

[queen laurel]

Why does he look like a raisin that also got mixed with a very old grandpa

[arctic talon]

That shit came out along side this lol

[jade holly]

So how does chaos termie armor work? I heard people throw around Cataphractii armor before

[arctic talon]

It’s just terminator armor used by chaos space marines

[rocky gale]

How

[queen laurel]

Not going to lie this is kind of fire

[arctic talon]

From a way older sculpt

Is likely

The mutilators are from 6e

lol

[jade holly]

Wait Warsmith and not Warpsmith?

[arctic talon]

Which is fucking insane

Warsmiths are chaos lords

[rocky gale]

Like that one is genuinely great, you could field that today

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos_Terminator

Read.

[arctic talon]

Yep

[jade holly]

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warpsmith

Read.

[arctic talon]

Mutilators are so shit

https://buildinstructions.com/wp-content/uploads/Warhammer-40K-Dark-Vengeance-Box-Set-Completed-Model-Set.png

[jade holly]

I know what a Warpsmith is smh

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warsmith

Read 3x.

[arctic talon]

They came out alongside ALLL OF THIS

It’s so fucking stupid lol

[rocky gale]

Warsmith and Warpsmith

[jade holly]

I thought warsmiths were just in 30k

[storm jungle]

They arent. Read.

[arctic talon]

Warsmiths are just a fancy name for chaos lord

For the iron warriors

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/read-gif-25879491

[rocky gale]

Warsmiths are Iron Warrior Chaos Lords, Iron Warriors didn't have unique models in 40k, only HH. That's why you thought they were only in HH

[jade holly]

Ok

[rocky gale]

Now they're coming to 40k

[jade holly]

That explains it

[arctic talon]

The serial ball groper 💀

[near wasp]

Your next

[jade holly]

[arctic talon]

[jade holly]

His next what?

[arctic talon]

Wait wrong image

Shit

[storm jungle]

based

[jade holly]

[near wasp]

Lol

[rocky gale]

Good ole lore chat roughhousing, it's like being back in high school

[arctic talon]

This new art for comorroagh is great

This is what I wanted to post

[rocky gale]

I am a prophet

I prophesised

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/qvxeezrk/sunday-preview-fell-hunters-and-faithful-wardens-clash-in-kill-team/

[storm jungle]

Trash art

i hate this artist

[jade holly]

They ain’t even looking at each other

[storm jungle]

its more the style

its so flat and unsaturated

lmao

goofy ahh

[celest dome]

Is it a helmet or just a mask ?

[rocky gale]

[celest dome]

Just a mask

KT really could go much futher in concepts tbh

[jade holly]

I think, for February

I’m not gonna buy models

And instead finally get the codex and paint materials

[rocky gale]

It's supposd to be this guy

[storm jungle]

Trash.

[jade holly]

I’m watching someone kitbash the new Nightbringer into an evil Sanguinius

[rose thorn]

Is it me or does this not seem like a KT at all

[jade holly]

Too big or small for what a KT should be?

[rose thorn]

To big and everyone is pretty samey

A 10 man power armor kt?

[celest dome]

It could have been a normal unit from the codex

[rocky gale]

Shut up it's peak

[jade holly]

Should’ve had the Triumph of Saint Katherine in it smh

[celest dome]

The NL part at least is different enough from the main NL army that I make sense to be a KT

[rose thorn]

I like it a lot dw, i love the bolt crowbowss

[rocky gale]

Just be happy we got anything

[rose thorn]

[rocky gale]

I can't even remember what we got with the codex

Did we get anything?

[rose thorn]

You got like 2 heroes and a new unit

[rocky gale]

new unit?

[rose thorn]

The flying SoB?

[rocky gale]

We already had flying SoB

[rose thorn]

Oh

Okay you got 2 foot heroes

[rocky gale]

Oh that's right it was just the Jump Cannoness

[rose thorn]

And you got rules for the priest guy

[rose thorn]

That’s what every SoB army needs

A fat balding white racist guy commanding an army of beautiful women

[rocky gale]

Aveline was a Legends release though with limited release

[celest dome]

This is the old SIster KT

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/8/8d/NovitiateSquad.jpg/648px-NovitiateSquad.jpg

[arctic talon]

You say that like it’s a bad thing/j

Also taddeus isn’t racist

Okay he kind of is

But he’s not that racist

[celest dome]

Xenophobic ?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[jade holly]

Wait, the Orbital Assault force Detachment

Does that make vehicle gain deep strike too?

[jade holly]

[rose thorn]

Yes

[jade holly]

Dropping a Rhino on top of the enemy

[rose thorn]

It’s okay

[arctic talon]

The only scary thing is a land raider battle bus

[rose thorn]

Space marine players cannot handle the GSC brand power of deep striking vehicles

[arctic talon]

Or a vindicator

Tbh

[jade holly]

Imagine if CSM had something for that

Dropping a Lord of Skulls on people

[rose thorn]

That’s a lord of war I believe

I forgot they the new name is

[celest dome]

Would have loved any of the following for a Sister KT:

• Minor Saint/Imagifier team
• Penitent (Arco Flagelant, and Repentia)
• Paragon War suit ?

[arctic talon]

Super heavy

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Paragon warsuit is way too big

For Killteam

[rose thorn]

lol

[celest dome]

I thought they were not that much bigger than a Custodes

[arctic talon]

GW factory number 4 is coming online

[arctic talon]

Nah they’re fuckin huge lol

[celest dome]

Might missremember them

[rose thorn]

Oooo, where?

[arctic talon]

Investor report says so

It’s almost done

They just need to move equipment in now

[rose thorn]

Where is… the factory

[arctic talon]

And if can start producing

[arctic talon]

Nottingham

GW is all Bri’ish

[rose thorn]

Ah the irl warhammer location

[arctic talon]

And refuses to have factories outside of it

[vagrant fox]

Was the bat defeated at long last

[arctic talon]

The very adorable bat moved out

[jade holly]

What’s this mean in the grand scheme?

[arctic talon]

As confirmed by the British wildlife and stuff

[arctic talon]

More production

Lets GW keep stuff in stock better

Make more new stuff

[jade holly]

Less shortages?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[jade holly]

How long was that factory down for

[vagrant fox]

Hobo Frateris Militia killteam is the karmic reward, trust me on this one

[nocturne crest]

I wonder if anyone would buy or a dreadnought variant model/unit, but it had no arms.

[arctic talon]

This one was being built

For like

Over the course of a few years

[celest dome]

Derodero Dread ?

[nocturne crest]

I mean I'm just wondering if they could make the dreadnought work as "Zombie mech."

[nocturne crest]

No, like the arms have been shot off.

[jade holly]

It watched the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II

[nocturne crest]

So, it could only use the weapons mounted to it's body in the centre.

[arctic talon]

Not that old

It started construction during Covid

Well

Right before it

[nocturne crest]

Also, what's everyone's thoughts on Perturabo being the next primarch to return?

[jade holly]

Excited

But annoyed

[vagrant fox]

meh

[jade holly]

I’m still working on a Necron army and IW are getting all this stuff too damn fast

[arctic talon]

Would have preferred lorgar

[nocturne crest]

TBH, Lorgar would be a cool option.

[storm jungle]

Another MCU primarch

so not much else thats new

[near wasp]

Whatever

I just feel like the last months been a book drought

[rose thorn]

Wrong thing

[jade holly]

Wat

[rose thorn]

Do not watch that video

It’s not nsfw it’s just stupid

[jade holly]

I can’t you deleted it

[rose thorn]

How manu points is this?

In 40K I mean

I have no clue what the tank and the dread are called lol

[rose thorn]

Good lmao

[languid meadow]

Caladius Annihilator Grav-tank and Contemptor

[rose thorn]

Ah

215 point tank

[arctic talon]

Guards are 190x2
Shield captain is 120
Grav tank is 215
Galatus contemptor is 165

[rose thorn]

Wow nice

[arctic talon]

If you run the guards as wardens with soears

[celest dome]

Isn't it the Achillus

[arctic talon]

You can push the points up more

[rose thorn]

I think it builds both

[languid meadow]

It does

[arctic talon]

You’re correct

It builds both tho

[arctic talon]

So I just picked the more expensive one

[celest dome]

fair

[arctic talon]

Also the better one

Lmao

[rose thorn]

I have no clue how custodies lists build like

[arctic talon]

It’s almost all infantry

[rose thorn]

Fair

[arctic talon]

Or

You spam dreads out the ass

lol

[rose thorn]

I wonder if custdodies will get that HH combat patrol box thing

[arctic talon]

Unlikely

Imo

[rose thorn]

Fair

PLEASE BE UNDERWOLRDS TOMROORW PLEASEEE

MLK JR PLEASEEEEE

[languid meadow]

I think the next wave of custodes is gonna be

termies + some other units and sisters

[arctic talon]

It’s gona be termies + the other units

SOS aren’t gona get an update imo

[rose thorn]

HRTerminators

[arctic talon]

Since they’re already properly scaled

[languid meadow]

I can't wait to see the allarus refresh

but I think it's just gonna be Aquilons

[arctic talon]

Allarus don’t have rules in 30k

[languid meadow]

one can dream

[arctic talon]

Lore wise they’re superior to Aquilons

Which is funny

[crisp heath]

"How could you tell I was a Night Lord before this?"

[arctic talon]

He wasn’t though, he was part of the executioners

Now granted

The executioners also skin people alive

And wear blue

So I get where the confusion comes from

[crisp heath]

i know

its called uh

a joke

[arctic talon]

Killing you with rock

[crisp heath]

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-warhammer-40k-brick-grimdark-darktide-gif-7305957782246441871

[hallow saddle]

glad i now know jude reid is a she

genuinely had no idea just from the name

[vagrant fox]

for shame

rule 4 violation

[hallow saddle]

jude can be either!

[nocturne crest]

So can you run everything they showed of the custodians in 40k?

[nocturne crest]

He's a traitor fist successor.

[arctic talon]

Yes

[near wasp]

Ugh too much caffeine in my blood stream

[hallow saddle]

his chest skulls make an Arrian Zorzi conversion super insanely easy

so psyked for these red corsair models!!!!!!

[winged jacinth]

The corsair models do look cool
I really like the custodian sculpts but the faction feels creatively limiting

I should come up with lore for my necron dynasty

"They woke up on a world" done

[jade holly]

If you buy RFID chips and put them on your minis you think you could make an app that brings up the codex and stats with wargear your minis have when you scan them like a Skylander?

[winged jacinth]

Yeah pretty trivially

[jade holly]

Now how about using them with mods as actual Skylanders lmao

[winged jacinth]

The program would just need a map from rfid ids to datasets, all the datasets entered, and i guess a display interface

I dunno nothing about skylanders modsing

Is that still around i thought it died with wii u

[valid needle]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[winged jacinth]

This is assuming your rfid stuff comes with its own stuff to handle hardware interfacing, that's hard to do from scratch

But it should

[rocky gale]

How nice of GW to give us two new Archons

[celest dome]

Might be easier to put Qr code that link out to wahapedia

[spring cairn]

Fatemaster got the tigh high greaves on

[winged jacinth]

They said the wargear so i assumed unit specific lol

[celest dome]

True

But would still be much simpler

[winged jacinth]

I didn't know there was a site with all the datasheets

[rocky gale]

In that case link it to New Recruit

[queen laurel]

Dark eldar players when the model is serving edgy looks ( You're an archon now)

[arctic talon]

ngl

the naval captain no

the Fatemaster maybe lol

The armor shape is right

Archons gotta have armor

its kind of their thing

[celest dome]

The Captain as a Rogue Trader

[arctic talon]

Captain is a great kitbash for a guard officer/rogue trader/any high ranking human

[lament shoal]

When I played kt with my bf the other day, I dealt 16 damage with a melta to one of his guys who was only at 3 wounds lmfao😭

[celest dome]

The platform for a Tech Priest Magos

No kill like overkill

[queen laurel]

Yeah why settle for a headshot when you can just blow apart his entire head and splatter it at the wall behind it

[arctic talon]

Cooked them alive

[celest dome]

And splatter the wall in the next room

[queen laurel]

Exactly

Direct impact rocket launcher the man in the chest

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/problem-solved-do-we-have-a-problem-problem-gif-13826961

[jade holly]

Mostly just a theoretical idea tbh

[rocky gale]

Yea, not an Archon in my book but will definitely be a custom for my Guard

[jade holly]

But my idea was it was interactive to help you keep track of certain stuff on models like effects, current wounds and whatnot

I had some classes in C++, SQL and Javafx so I thought of how I could put coding talents into 40K and I was also inspired by some old videos of Lego Minecraft builds I saw

[urban spire]

https://tenor.com/view/unspeakable-violence-unspeakable-violence-gif-25206571

[opaque coyote]

Nobody should be destroying anything themselves, they should give it to me so I can ensure they are disposed of throughly.

Especially these clearly woke miniatures...

[languid meadow]

dude needs to destroy his weight first

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[daring creek]

https://tenor.com/view/roman-soldier-cats-roman-soldier-cat-roman-cat-gif-13239839695775206788

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/roman-soldier-cats-roman-soldier-cat-roman-cat-gif-13239839695775206788

[arctic talon]

They should endure

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-centurion-roman-soldier-sword-gif-6943842504016808159

[winter pine]

Better believe he poured a glass of this after all that hard work smashing plastic minis

[spare osprey]

I need moar woke, waiter.

[daring creek]

Wait is this thumbnail not a joke?

[celest cedar]

one can safely assume its not

[spare osprey]

Oh, did you see the THERE ARE NO BLACKS ON FENRIS dork??

[daring creek]

There is no possible way people are that serious

[winter pine]

I think the original was a guy trashing a genuine motorcycle for internet points

[daring creek]

yea

[winter pine]

Remember people smashing Keurigs in like 2017?

[daring creek]

i see it

[winter pine]

Was it 2016 when they burned those sneakers

GW if they locked tf in

[rocky gale]

There were the people who burned their Space Marines when Primaris happened and people who burned their Fantasy models after End Times

[daring creek]

This reminds me of when people would say Hank Hill would be repub/liberal

I think he's a republican at heart

I mean he is conservative

Who would he vote for?

mm

[winged jacinth]

Huron is 100% libertarian and im certain of that

[daring creek]

He's definitely one to read the news paper and watch the news.

[winter pine]

If I had to guess for Hank: McCain, Romney, reluctant Trump vote, Biden, maybe third party or abstain from 2024

[arctic talon]

Huron is literally a facist/libertarian depending on what point in his life he is

Lol

[surreal nest]

hank became understanding and woke coded in the new season

[winged jacinth]

The psychic reincarnation of ron paul made into a space marine

[arctic talon]

Regarding Huron

Bro starts as a facist

Ends up as a uh “libertarian”

[surreal nest]

He is trying to understand

[daring creek]

2016? yeah he'd vote trump, after that 100% biden I agree

[winter pine]

If Abaddon were still alive he'd be woke

[winged jacinth]

He has the 2 key libertarian political positions
Dont tell me what to do
Especially don't tell me to pay taxes

[arctic talon]

bro was called a Tyrant as a compliment

back when he was part of the Imperium lol

Tyrant of Badab was a respectful thing

Until yknow he stopped paying his taxes

and went through a marine supremacy phase

before getting shot in the face by a melta and having his flamer explode in his face

[winged jacinth]

Its ok if other people have to do what you say, i mean have you ever heard a libertarians talking points

[arctic talon]

no

because I don't want to listen to them

[winged jacinth]

Ridiculous, childish ideology for hypocrites lol

[arctic talon]

but yeah Huron ended up less xenophobic and hypocritcal

after falling to chaos

and getting shot in the face

[winter pine]

Fits right in with a Chaos warlord lmfao

[winged jacinth]

Like anarchy without any of the idealism

[arctic talon]

What did GW mean by this

[languid meadow]

anarchists and libertarians shall be tarred and feathered

[storm jungle]

whats a Libertarian again

i only know it from Ron Swanson

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-trash-throwing-away-gar-gif-13280551627668495154

[arctic talon]

no government regulations, private ownership everything

[winter pine]

The Enforcer is his lizard Xenos gf

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

TLDR minimal goverment involvment in anything

[winged jacinth]

Yeah pretty much this, a bunch of weird stuff about personal freedoms etc too

[arctic talon]

personal freedom to do whatever you want

[daring creek]

Isn't that anarcho Capitalism

[winged jacinth]

Its not coherent

[daring creek]

I don't think thats libertarian but lesser regulations is yeah

[arctic talon]

Libertarians are anarcho capitalists yes

[daring creek]

McDonalds army squad

[arctic talon]

the ideology is basicially the exact fucking same

lol

[winter pine]

There was a "libertarian" small town in New Hampshire that had to be evacuated because bears took it over

[winged jacinth]

Libertarianism is a lot easier to get your head around without assuming it makes any sense

[arctic talon]

I do not look at any talking points of libertarians or talk with them

[winter pine]

No one picked up or collected trash so bears just rolled in lmao

[arctic talon]

I simply read their books

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/free-pony-free-ponies-free-ponies-for-all-vermin-supreme-president-free-pony-gif-9445983194541201197

[arctic talon]

VERMIN SUPREME BABY

[winged jacinth]

But yeah anarchocapitalism is sort of the maximal form of libertarianism if you assume, as many of them do, that it wouldn't immediately turn into cyberpunk style corporate states

[daring creek]

ok but anarcho capitalists cannot possibly fucking exist in the average current middle class citizen

[arctic talon]

Replace Marx in this with Nozick

[near wasp]

I'm for less regulation but I know a lot of libertarians are crazy crazy

[arctic talon]

And that’s the average libertarian intellectual

[daring creek]

LETS REMOVE GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS ON BUSINESSES! WOOHOOO 80 HOURS A WEEK HERE WE COME

[winged jacinth]

Anarchocapitalism is also incoherent

It relies on everyone magically following rules with no enforcement mechanism

[arctic talon]

And also replace bourgeois with government

[near wasp]

Man I just don't wanna pay taxes because the government doesn't us the money for what they say they will

[arctic talon]

There’s a difference between less regulation and saying no regulation

[winged jacinth]

If your political system isnt resilient to like 100 people with guns deciding they don't like it its not a workable one

[arctic talon]

Correct

[winged jacinth]

"But the nonaggression principle" shut up im aggressing!

Give me your stuff!

[near wasp]

No

https://tenor.com/view/gun-db-shotgun-gif-21597283

[arctic talon]

Anyone who thinks the nonaggression principle works is naive, stupid, or intentionally dense

[winged jacinth]

Unfortunately my system has provided me with 50 other armed people to take your things

[arctic talon]

If you want peace you need to be ready to fight

[winged jacinth]

We formed a corporation

Brownwater

[arctic talon]

Pacifism without having the ability to fight back is worthless

If someone brings up Ghandi as an example of pacifism without the ability to fight back I’m going to have you shot

[celest cedar]

omg its real 💀

[near wasp]

The step brother to blackrock

[arctic talon]

did you think this was a joke? Well it is

But it’s like

An actual thing

LOL

A lot of French socialist/communist intellectuals from the post Marx era are uh

[winter pine]

fr*nch

[winged jacinth]

In practice someone will have a monopoly on violence, ideally that's a group people agree on

[near wasp]

Speaking of French slander did y'all know DNA tests are banned in France

[arctic talon]

Guh

[near wasp]

Because and I quote "it'd break up too many families"

[arctic talon]

The one thing I’ll respect the French for is their ability to protest and riot

lol

[winter pine]

Is this because some politician cheated on his or her spouse and didn't want to get busted

[arctic talon]

They’re really fucking good at that

[near wasp]

Because like a huge percentage of couples cheat

[arctic talon]

💀

[near wasp]

I think it was like 20-40 percent of kids are from cheating

[arctic talon]

Holy shit lol

[winter pine]

incredible stuff lmao

[celest cedar]

how does this happen

there has to be some cultural shit going on 💀

[vagrant fox]

Just french things

I appreciate their directness, just say it how it is

[near wasp]

I could be off on my stats but yeah it's actually crazy

[daring creek]

I believe it

[heady rivet]

This is the same in Israel but for a much less silly reason

[lament shoal]

Least damaging shot from a melta

[rocky gale]

Tired of building infantry, so was going to build a Siege Dred instead and then I saw it's build instructions were 8 a4 pages long

So won't be doing that tonight

[daring creek]

weakest lego set builder

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/incredibles-mr-incredible-not-strong-enough-gif-25547952

[storm jungle]

Uhhhh im not sure if destroying a planet and leaving black holes in their place is a great idea for a superweapon.

But im not a scientist so

[rocky gale]

There were no negative outcomes from the last Black Hole we made

Don't worry about it

[spare osprey]

God.
Dammit.

[storm jungle]

I legit cant wait for this to end in disaste.r

SUCH a fucking awful idea for a superweapon

[near wasp]

Fuck yeah

[spare osprey]

We can't even handle a Jurassic Bug Park, blud.
Can we please stop shooting ourselves in our pinky toes?!

[near wasp]

Let's fucking goooo

Spill oil!

[storm jungle]

I love it ngl

super-earth always making shit worse for themselves is funny af

[spare osprey]

It is very funny.

[storm jungle]

me when dumb fascists

[rocky gale]

Wait they're lieing about the fucking Meridia Black Hole. I love my Propaganda

"Yea that Wormhole that the Illuminate made"

"We totally didn't make that Black Hole"

[spare osprey]

I jus' wanted to be un hero.

[near wasp]

The meridian black hole was due to dissenters and squid propaganda

[storm jungle]

LMAO I missed that bit

[near wasp]

Now back to your 14 hour work day

[storm jungle]

Im glad such conditions dont exist IRL

[arctic talon]

"normal" black hole lmao

[spare osprey]

I mean, they did come out of it.
Stupid sly sexy squ'iths.

[arctic talon]

ngl

you want to hear a deranged conspiracy theory

about the Illuminate units

[valid needle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kat-kitty-kitten-evil-gif-10545349572153573100

[arctic talon]

Overseers are not actual Squ'iths

and are transformed humans

And we haven't seen any true flesh and blood illuminate yet

[storm jungle]

Yeah because the Voteless got weird illuminte features

like mutated squid faces etc

[arctic talon]

yeah they got squid DNA shoved in them

Look because hear me out

The illuminate in helldivers 1

had red bits on them

like around the faces

none of the illuminate in helldivers 2 have that

including the overseers when you shoot their helmet off

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-2-typing-illuminate-typing-hd2-typing-squid-typing-helldivers-2-pc-gif-15557160199421745753

[storm jungle]

Also ironically the devs actually keep the design motifs into HD2

Someone pointed out he burrower terminids also look more aquatic like the OG nids i think

[arctic talon]

yeah

that was me

LOL

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[rocky gale]

Keep your dissenter lies to yourself

[winged jacinth]

I think it was cold war russian spies that said "we cant blackmail the french with their mistresses, their wives already know"

[arctic talon]

I AM NOT CRAZY I AM PART OF THE MINESTRY OF SCIENCE

[storm jungle]

Ministry of Gooning*

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

boooo

[arctic talon]

but yeah thats my deranged theory on the illuminate

oh also

[near wasp]

Jfc

[arctic talon]

the major order

to kill a bunch of voteless and overseers

remember the end of it said they found a mix of human and illuminate DNA

in them

they didn't specify which one

[winged jacinth]

Humluminate...

[arctic talon]

anyways if this theory ends up being wrong thats also fine tbh

I just want to use the psychic illuminate

lol

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-gif-13746396505480870613

[winged jacinth]

I always loved the term voteless for the zombies because super earth citizens only pretend to vote

We're the same! Commentary!

[arctic talon]

The algorithm determines your best interests

now shut up and put the ballot in the box

[winged jacinth]

I don't think you even get a ballot

I think you just get told who you voted for

[arctic talon]

you do

you do get to actually vote

the issue its just a fucking button that says vote lol

[storm jungle]

Also remember

they are literally seperated into classes

lmao

"CLASS-A CITIZENS MUST BE RESCUED HELLDIVER"

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah. Voters literally exist to push a button which gives people the illusion of the "Democracy" part of Managed Democracy

[arctic talon]

you put a paper ballot into a box

[winged jacinth]

rescuing VIPs always struck me as a weird task to give helldivers

[arctic talon]

or you press the vote button

[winged jacinth]

maybe they're only mildly important

[arctic talon]

they're class A citizens™

ultimately Class A doesn't mean much

lol

they're also stuck in the ass end of nowhere

[storm jungle]

Why would it be weird

[arctic talon]

they're not the real important people who are politicians and such

[storm jungle]

it happens IRL too lol

[arctic talon]

yeah

ultimately rescuing them is a whole lot of nothing

lol

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

its for propaganda and to show Super Earth cares

(sorta)

[winged jacinth]

the weird part would be assigning helldivers to something that matters lol but it makes sense it doesnt

[storm jungle]

I mean

[spare osprey]

There's nothing I want more in Helldivers than the option to go rogue Division-style.

[storm jungle]

Helldivers get assigned to every shit that matters

lol

[arctic talon]

in Helldivers 1 it was either POWs or scientists

in Helldivers 2 it being random fucking people

is so fucking funny

[storm jungle]

dude when you die next to them

and they are like "HOLY FUCK WHAT THE FUCK"

the brainrot propaganda is deep

[arctic talon]

its funny that SEAF are so much more normal

when they see you die lol

its like "oh shit they died, keep on fighting"

[winged jacinth]

they know the deal probably

[arctic talon]

prolly

they're the ones doing most of the fighting

[spare osprey]

SEAF are champs, despite allegiance.

[storm jungle]

yeah until they kill me with a fucking rogue grenade

they deserve the stratagems i drop on them

[arctic talon]

LOL

SEAF would unironically be way stronger

if they didn't have grenades

[storm jungle]

I love how even in the Super Earth invasion trailer they show the helldivers killing them

[rocky gale]

Blueberries have never betrayed me, curious

[winged jacinth]

god its been a while since i played HD2 there were not SEAF npcs lol

[storm jungle]

its so fucking funny

[arctic talon]

I'm deadass most of them die like hamsters to friendly fire

[storm jungle]

you missed a lot

[spare osprey]

Same, actually.

[arctic talon]

They're only on City maps

[storm jungle]

super earth got compeltely invaded lol

[arctic talon]

They don't shoot me

[opaque coyote]

It seems to be a consistent theme that both the Automatons and Illuminate are ex-human in some way

[arctic talon]

but their grenades land near me often

[opaque coyote]

Especially since the Automatons have human bits in them

[storm jungle]

Nah only for automatons

[arctic talon]

but thats mostly bcs I like being close

[storm jungle]

Illuminat are unrelated

[winged jacinth]

last i played was i think the big terminid cloud thing

[storm jungle]

they dont

Autos are fully robots

[spare osprey]

The defense of Super Earth was hypest shit, though.

[arctic talon]

Automatons aren't even former humans

They're sapient and sentient robots

[storm jungle]

you missed an immense amount of plot yeah lol

[arctic talon]

made by the cyborgs

[winged jacinth]

automatons were built by the cyborgs yeah

[opaque coyote]

Really? I swear I saw a fucking brain inside of their robot skulls

[arctic talon]

thats not a fleshy brain

[opaque coyote]

Could be mistaken

[storm jungle]

thats concept art and the devs confirmed its not the case

[arctic talon]

nah its ingame as well

its not as fleshy

its like glowy red

[opaque coyote]

It's artificial then

[storm jungle]

always was

[arctic talon]

its in the difficulty 11 thing

yeah

[opaque coyote]

Yeah makes sense

[arctic talon]

bots are 100% artificical

aside from the fuel

[winged jacinth]

i imagine its like asimov where robots have positronic brains lol

[storm jungle]

we are getting actual cyborgs soon who actually got human bits in them, even full on torsos under the metal

[arctic talon]

which is either terminad juice, bio fuel, or actual oil

[opaque coyote]

Mix of all three

[arctic talon]

they should bring back the asshole with a mortar and shield

he was great

and by great I mean insufferable

[winged jacinth]

the update where the automatons started dismembering humans on altars was fun

[storm jungle]

that uhhh

im pretty sure that was always a thing

[winged jacinth]

nah it was early though

[storm jungle]

nah

[arctic talon]

every faction is a monster of super earths making lol

its so funny

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I think it's worth for a spinoff that explores one of the factions ngl

[winged jacinth]

i swear they didnt spawn until after we won the first MO against them

[arctic talon]

They did

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

they had head on pikes and the weird alters from the start

[storm jungle]

its a scenery piece

yep that

its props

[arctic talon]

ngl

wtf are the alters even for

did the Automatons develop some weird fucking religon lol

[storm jungle]

Symbolic reasons

they maul and destroy their enemies

[arctic talon]

I get the heads on pikes

[storm jungle]

which uhhh

considering what super-earth is like

i legit get it

lmao

[winged jacinth]

having an altar to do it at is interesting

[arctic talon]

ngl

the automatons are way more violent then the cyborgs

which is hilarious

[storm jungle]

I mean

[arctic talon]

I mean it makes total sense

but still

[opaque coyote]

Would the terminids count? I mean they technically became less intelligent

[storm jungle]

considering what happened to their "parent" faction

its not surprising

[arctic talon]

FREEDOM CAMP

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[arctic talon]

WHERE YOU ARE FREE TO BE WORKED TO DEATH

[storm jungle]

Terminids literally get mass-slaughtered at farms

[spare osprey]

Let me save some class-everything citizens.
Lemme put some truth in my cape's description.

[storm jungle]

and mutated

[arctic talon]

Terminids literally got genetically altered and mutilated

lol

[storm jungle]

forcefully

[winged jacinth]

the terminids are essentially cultured by super earth for fuel

[storm jungle]

^

like

[arctic talon]

okay

[storm jungle]

the entire reason we got bile terminids

[arctic talon]

lemme get the HD1 termanids

one moment

[storm jungle]

is because they wer experimetned on

[storm jungle]

they are basically a loose locust of monsters entirely due to super earth

[arctic talon]

THEY LOOK NOTHING

like what they used to

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but it's technically not a monster of their making!

It's just...

Controlling the farms.

[arctic talon]

no

[storm jungle]

Shut up

[arctic talon]

they genetically altered them

lol

[storm jungle]

yeah like how we do with cattle animals

[rocky gale]

Helldrip time

[arctic talon]

and slaughtered them like cattle

[storm jungle]

yeah lol

[winged jacinth]

afaik we intentionally let them infest planets then take them back once they're full of sweet sweet bug oil

[storm jungle]

That was how it was at first

[opaque coyote]

Well we need oil somehow...

[arctic talon]

this is a brood commander btw

[storm jungle]

but the terminids are basically out of control now

[arctic talon]

that was at the start of helldivers 2

yeah

[winged jacinth]

that makes sense

[arctic talon]

ngl

[winged jacinth]

things seemed to get way out of control after the special mission things holding them back failed and got replaced with The Cloud

[arctic talon]

I would like to see automaton propaganda towers now

cyborgs had propaganda in HD1

[storm jungle]

it was geting out of control even before the Gloom

[arctic talon]

let the automatons put up their own things

[spare osprey]

Purposefully robbing the aura of this armor makes me chuckle.

[storm jungle]

super-earth literally has no idea whats its doing

lmao

[arctic talon]

ngl

I think the illuminate genuinely wouldn't have done anything

if we didn't dump a fucking termanid planet on their front door lol

[storm jungle]

I mean they would have

[winged jacinth]

classic imperium move

[storm jungle]

do you forget what happened to them at the end of HD1? lol

[arctic talon]

not this soon

[storm jungle]

literal extinction

[arctic talon]

is my point

[storm jungle]

Probably.

[arctic talon]

mass genocide moment

lol

[storm jungle]

yeah like their treatment at the end of HD1 is very close to IRL exterminations of other ethnic groups

[winged jacinth]

"the whole universe is against us (dont ask why)"

[arctic talon]

Illuminate were a bunch of weirdos in HD1

[storm jungle]

aka forcing them to literally move out

and die along the way

and basically be culled

[arctic talon]

but they got slaughtered and exiled

[storm jungle]

while also taking all they own etc

[rocky gale]

You belittle the glorious armour

With that helmet

[storm jungle]

also literlaly knew humanity in the early 20th century

[winged jacinth]

wtf they trail of tearsed them

[storm jungle]

and waited for us to evolve

[arctic talon]

well

they genocided them first

then trails of teared them

[storm jungle]

^

[winged jacinth]

so did we!

[storm jungle]

Illuminate literally tried to approach super-earth at first to make peace and further diplomatic relations

then super earth said no and attacked them for their WMDs

lmao

[arctic talon]

no you forgot

[winged jacinth]

lmao

[arctic talon]

first they attacked them for the engine

then later

after the illuminate decided fuck the humans

we're going to leave them alone

humanity went

WMDs

GO KILL SQUIDS

[storm jungle]

Yeah the fucking propaganda is hilarious too

[winged jacinth]

again "the whole universe is against us (please dont ask why)" is always a really funny setting

[storm jungle]

its great

lmao

also the propagnda literally changes tune

"THEY HAVE WMDs WE MUST STOP THEM"

then changes to

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I remember there was a colonist broadcast or something that was saying about how Super Earth was lying about the Terminids

[storm jungle]

"Now that we have WMDs we can destroy planets easily to prosper peace!"

[storm jungle]

thats the towers but yes

terminids are literally animals

Illuminate and the Cyborgs were sentient beings

[winged jacinth]

telling the patriotism officer you were looking at those

[storm jungle]

he gets banned

no dumb helldivers memes allowed

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I think the Terminids are somehow the most sympathetic. Considering they were intelligent but became cattle for their precious precious oil

[arctic talon]

ngl

I wonder if they're even sentient now

[opaque coyote]

I think they're reemerging

[storm jungle]

tbh they were just a native species to Keppler Prime

[storm jungle]

atm we literally dont know

they'll prob imply it in future updates

like the Major Orders can drop REALLY random huge lore revelations like Vessel 01

[opaque coyote]

But it's a terrifying idea that they still are sentient but they've been abused for so long that they're basically fully animalistic now

[winged jacinth]

tbh this kind of shit is probably exactly how the tyranids happened in some other galaxy long ago in 40k lol

[arctic talon]

ngl

my favorite theory for the tyranids

[winged jacinth]

"wow these creatures area really useful" "uh oh"

[arctic talon]

is that they were just a coincidence evolutionarily

[storm jungle]

yeah thats much mor cooler

[arctic talon]

and are completely natural

[storm jungle]

we'll one day get the answer too

which is gonna be lame as fuck

lmao

[arctic talon]

give it like 10-20 years

I think

lol

[storm jungle]

^

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I like the idea that they're just part of a bigger life cycle.

[winged jacinth]

we might not since its extragalactic

[hallow saddle]

they were invented by John Tyranid

[opaque coyote]

Like they are just extra galactic animals

Not a bioweapon or anything

[winged jacinth]

i have trouble with how the bio ships evolve and travel pre-narvhal

[opaque coyote]

Just showing that they are just...

Even more alien than what the Imperium has encountered ever

[storm jungle]

just dont question it

lol

go back to black mesa nerd

[rocky gale]

Simple, we'll get our Tyanid Kerrigan who will be the mouth piece and will explain their origin and what they want and she'll get an OP model and be the Tyranid Primarch

[winged jacinth]

honestly it makes the most sense if they start in space

[languid meadow]

biological creatures in space should just not be thinked about

[arctic talon]

GW won't do that

they're more likely to turn the hive tyrant into a primarch

tbh

[languid meadow]

anyway I love space whales in every franchise

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/twitter-duck-smoke-smoking-twitter-duck-gif-1365401141084093497

[arctic talon]

GW is very insistent on not having a mouthpiece for the nids(so far)

[languid meadow]

I kind of hope they keep it like how they did it in baal

[opaque coyote]

I think what would happen is that the Hive Mind gets more of a personality

And

That's it

[arctic talon]

ngl

[winged jacinth]

tyranids being space creatures that evolved to feed from larger and larger bodies makes at least some sense once you get past the time scales and space problems

[languid meadow]

where the hive mind just fucking hates and shit but is mostly unknowing

[arctic talon]

Swarmy might get turned into a primarch equivelent

lol

[winged jacinth]

i really appreciate the tyranids having NO interest in communication

[arctic talon]

its animalistic, hungry, and like an animal is hateful

if you harm it

[winged jacinth]

they basically understand how to use fear and thats good enough

[arctic talon]

Tbf

Synapse creatures are sapient

ish

[opaque coyote]

It could be something similar to reapers from Mass Effect.

But they're just farming galaxies basically

Like they clear out a galaxy

Move onto another one

[arctic talon]

they don't care to communicate

but they can hold grudges

[opaque coyote]

By the time they come back, the galaxy is repopulated

[winged jacinth]

i guess yeah the command beasts do understand people enough to predict their plans and that implies some ability to sympathise

[opaque coyote]

So it's basically just a cycle of eating and continuing

[opaque coyote]

I like to think that they are capable.

They just don't care.

[winged jacinth]

and they definitely do hold grudges lol

[opaque coyote]

Why would they talk to food?

[arctic talon]

yeah the swarmlord held a grudge

lol

during octarius

[opaque coyote]

Do you talk to your burger?

[arctic talon]

to the overfiend

[winged jacinth]

they use fear all the time

[arctic talon]

Lictors know fear

[opaque coyote]

Lambs for the slaughter basically

[arctic talon]

but Lictors are not sapient

we've seen the POV of one

its uh

not that

lol

[opaque coyote]

I think that's how the Hive Mind views like the milky way

[winged jacinth]

thats the only time they really try and convey any emotion to humans

[opaque coyote]

It gets frustrated because God damnit it wants to eat now

[languid meadow]

I'd say only the first two are part of the animalistic part, the hate is described as malicious and calculating iirc

yeah

[arctic talon]

Tbf also anger, whenever something tries to probe at it

[arctic talon]

Elephants can be hateful and malicious if you piss them off

[opaque coyote]

But these fucking stupid "Sphess Martinez" just keep interrupting their meal time

[arctic talon]

people underestimate animal intelligence

tbh

Its incredibly angry

[rocky gale]

They'll turn Greyfax into Tyranid Kerrigan so they can have Doomed Yuri with her and Celestine

[winged jacinth]

if it makes sense the "details" of the emotions are probably completely different but the "endpoints" are the same

[arctic talon]

in both Wraithflight and Devestation of Baal

and also the old Tyrannic war lore

[opaque coyote]

I like to think that it's because it's just frustrated that it's taking so long to consume the galaxy

Like "THIS SHOULD BE OVER BY NOW!"

"I'M WASTING VALUABLE BIOMASS DEALING WITH YOU."

[arctic talon]

Tigirus, Iyanna, Mephiston all feel anger when they tried to probe into the hivemind

[opaque coyote]

"STOP FUCKING POKING ME!"

[arctic talon]

before getting kicked out

[winged jacinth]

its kinda funny that probably the biggest reason the tyranids didnt just steamroll everything is that like medieval europe every faction has warred their way into being optimized killing engines lol

no way to surprise them in peace time when they've been on a war footing as long as they've been aware of other beings

[languid meadow]

I need to the find the quote but iirc the hive mind just ignored a couple of planets just to beeline it for baal

[arctic talon]

Yeah no

I remember it

[opaque coyote]

Again I like to think why it's pissed off is because it's equivalent to

Waiting for an hour

[arctic talon]

The Hivemind can hate/hold grudges

[opaque coyote]

For your food

And you ordered a large steak but you only got appetizers

[languid meadow]

the attack on baal was more of like trying to kill an annoying fly than anything else

[winged jacinth]

the hive mind came to harvest honey but realized they were africanized honeybees

[opaque coyote]

Like of course they'd be pissed

[languid meadow]

which is really interesting and much more cool than just

hungry bug

[opaque coyote]

And then some toddler came over

And then poked them

[winged jacinth]

orks alone would be a real goddamnit to the tyranids

though tyranids not trying to hold territory works out for them in that matchup

[arctic talon]

well

one hivefleet is

they're building something lol

the funny screaming spire that makes your head explode

[glossy sonnet]

Huh

[languid meadow]

"They ruined nids by making it have emotions!"
fuck no, the concept of an unknowing god mind feeling hate just for YOU is horrifying

[winged jacinth]

still not in the kind of way the world would support ork spores though right? this sounds cool though whats the name

[arctic talon]

Hive fleet Tiamet

they operate out of the Tiamet system and are building a thing

they also were encounted in M.35

Way earlier then any other active non splinter tyranid fleet

They were busy building it back then

[opaque coyote]

Honestly there's not really any other way to develop them

[arctic talon]

imo, what they're building is the real psychic dinnerbell

the Pharos beacon exploding was just a tiny blip

[opaque coyote]

Besides giving the Hive Mind more character

[arctic talon]

the real "beacon" is whatever they're busy building in the Tiamet system

[near wasp]

The tyranids might of also fought the emperor

[winged jacinth]

tbh it works when its emotions like that because like, you dont know the inner workings of its mind besides that your actions contrary to its goals have made it decide you should be dead

[crystal forum]

might have

[storm jungle]

they are too cool

they wouldnt dare go near the Chudperor

[arctic talon]

that exerpt explictly has them not fight the emperor

as its a myth

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

they did show up way earlier though

but not that early

[crystal forum]

i was just correcting grammar

[arctic talon]

the bioacid scarring on the titans were the same as nid bioacid scarring

but it was a splinterfleet

Tiamet is also like

"farming"

biomass

which is really weird

it freaked out the Eldar and Inquisition

[winged jacinth]

yeah apparently their genestealers pack up ships full of people and fly them into the tiamet system and shit

[opaque coyote]

I think it's similar to how ants have different behavior for each species.

There's specifically an ant species that farms.

[arctic talon]

its also resporing planets

specifically to "regrow"

into a new biosphere

before harvesting it

over and over and over

[winged jacinth]

i think the tiamet screamer makes sense as a beacon especially with the astronomican faltering

[arctic talon]

They behave nothing like any other hivefleet

which is why I really like them

also its a very pretty color scheme

[winged jacinth]

idr if they ever confirmed that the astronomican drew the first splinters

[arctic talon]

Its not

the first hivefleets were drawn by the Pharos exploding

then the Astronomicon kept on like

[languid meadow]

yeah that

[arctic talon]

"glowing"

[languid meadow]

I forgot its name

[arctic talon]

if that makes sense

one really bright light

then a continuous not so bright one

[crystal forum]

the random alien artifact which is never mentioned again

[arctic talon]

well

its not

[opaque coyote]

"Oh shit there's food!"

[arctic talon]

its a Necron artifact

it was mentioned again as well

[rocky gale]

It blew up, why would they keep mentioning it?

[arctic talon]

yeah

[winged jacinth]

a continent-spanning organic conical structure these sickos are building a literal hive city...

[opaque coyote]

Does this count as a human fuck up or a Necron fuck up

[arctic talon]

Human fuck up

the Imperium blew it up

lol

[opaque coyote]

Literally in this case

ba dum tss

[arctic talon]

Necrons built the thing but the humans fucked with it

[crystal forum]

space marines

as usual

[languid meadow]

chudrine L

[opaque coyote]

Slaanesh's best champion isn't Lucius.

It's that one MF who couldn't contain his racism for like 5 minutes

[daring creek]

chatter or character

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-that-narrows-it-down-clear-now-its-clear-now-i-understand-now-gif-21256627

[crystal forum]

space marines are the cause of and the solution to all of 40k's problems

just make more space marines to fix the problems caused by the space marines

[winged jacinth]

reading down the lex page someone told kryptman about it
hes gonna blow it up the damn dirty ape

[languid meadow]

It's kryptman so he's prob gonna make it worse somehow

unless they really need an imperium W

[opaque coyote]

Artemis to be specific

[languid meadow]

OH yes

[crystal forum]

when the warcrime pays off

[winged jacinth]

hes a specialist on completely ruining planets which is what they need

one last job

[arctic talon]

GW is fine with imperial Ls

they've taken the L every crusade/campaign book so far

can we please get a chaos L

in the Huron book

[crystal forum]

imperium is in a permanent state of L

[arctic talon]

like ffs

Chaos has not lost

a single crusade or campaign book

since 8e

[opaque coyote]

"Trust not the Eldar," said Artemis, his words thick with hatred.

"We are the sons of Death, you and I," said the Aeldari. "We bring oblivion, in order to deny Chaos. We cannot afford to thwart one another when the greater enemy stands on the cusp of victory."

The gilded finger bones lining the edge of the creature's cloak gleamed in the harsh light as crystal statues glowed bright all around. Artemis narrowed his eyes; a similar rainment was worn by the Chaplain of his own Mortification Chapter their sepulchral celebrations. Strangely, he could not sense duplicity in this one.

"Walk away," said the Harlequin, "and a dire blow shall fall upon the Archenemy." Artemis recoiled at the term as the Aeldari spoke on. "Is your distrust so deep you would rather kill me now than spare the doom of a trillion human souls?" There was disbelief under his tone, and something else. Despair, perhaps.

"Yes," said Artemis, pulling the trigger to end the creature's life.

• Port of Demesnus

[crystal forum]

do you think nihilus will ever go away or is it just there until the end of 40k

[arctic talon]

It'll be there forever

[storm jungle]

^