40k-lore-chat

[raven stone]

That and on some servers elsewhere we somehow concluded Steven scales roughly to Primarch levels

[sacred ginkgo]

What rocks even are they

[celest dome]

Really

Not even shocked tbh

[raven stone]

I think their names are also their rocks

I think

Never was into SU even when it was a big thing

Nothing against it though, just never caught on with me

[sacred ginkgo]

Bold to assume I know a single thing about this show

[celest dome]

Is that some Adventure time spin-off ?

Or am I thinking of another show

[raven stone]

Different show

And yea Adventure Time is the other thing that was big but also never quite caught on with me

But I do confess to having peripheral/osmosis absorbed some of their lore on a very surface level

[celest dome]

I think I was a tad young to really catch on with AT, have caught some episode while at higher studies and I liked it quite a lot more

[misty vector]

i was really into both as a kid

adventure time lore is pretty cool

[sour hornet]

Typically what they are named after

[sacred ginkgo]

No like in specific

[sour hornet]

though they sometimes pertain

Oh

[sacred ginkgo]

Those 3 people

With the laser

[sour hornet]

White Diamond, Yellow Diamond, Blue Diamond

[sacred ginkgo]

Fantastic

[sour hornet]

they're firing the laser because they think those people killed Pink Diamond

[celest dome]

Are they all named after gems, or is there Grey Shale somewhere in the lore

[sour hornet]

its funny because pink diamond is in that scene

[misty vector]

the 4 diamonds are the tyrants

[sour hornet]

being fired at

[sour hornet]

Just any rock that sounds particularly snazzy

[misty vector]

and pearls

[sour hornet]

Like

bismuth is just a rock

[queen laurel]

Yeah they call themselves gems but bismuth is literally a fancy rainbow rock

[misty vector]

lapis too right

[queen laurel]

Bingo

[daring creek]

Woke

They made the minerals woke

[glass drum]

Wait..really?
Whered this come from?

[celest dome]

Can't see anything other than bets and guesses

[glass drum]

I knew he was planning to make a wh40k movie didnt know he'd just adapated the game

[glass drum]

Oh

Would make more sense if he did his own honestly

We already know what happens in SM1/Sm2

[celest dome]

Tv show iirc, not movie

[celest dome]

I think the guesses are more about what happen after SM2, so the whole 500 World story

[hollow delta]

what'd your average techpriest said on sight of someone cannibalizing two FUBAR PCs into one working?

[celest dome]

They would see it as a necessity

[glass drum]

Think secret level episode was also after SM2
Idk about 500 worlds since its kinda recent, would GW be even happy with him taking the lead for the story

[celest dome]

GW will keep the writing control in any case.

[glass drum]

Well either gonna go pretty good or terribly bad

First live action series

[valid needle]

Secret level was immediately after, 500 worlds is a few years after sm2

[glass drum]

I mean recent in release not chronological time in story

[valid needle]

Oh

Secret level was like 2 months after idk but it came in quick to profit off the initial release hype.

[glass drum]

It is a pretty sick episode

Thought they'd show more for an after story after the events of Sm2

[raven stone]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/lvbiukyp/the-rumour-engine-13th-of-january/

Looks Chaos related

[shadow plover]

we power flailing around

[queen laurel]

It's definitely something you will use to bash in someone's head

[rocky gale]

It's a big bell, must be Skaven

[crisp heath]

I don't care how much money you offer me I'm not watching this

[storm jungle]

Batman would probably solo everyone with Tibetan Monk techniques

also the AI thumbnail 💀

[crisp heath]

reason no.1 why im not watching it

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

also because those type of videos are

for the lack of a better word

dumb

[storm jungle]

Powerscaling videos for 40k are always braindead because the creator usually has no idea how OP the other settings usually are lol

"ERM UM SPACE MARINES-"

Okay cool. Heres Omniman wiping out an entire planet by just flying fast.

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-flying-gif-20927873

[queen laurel]

dude superman would solo warhammer

[crisp heath]

okay but would he be able to fly by a named ultramarine without their helmet?

i dont think so

checkmate black library readers

[storm jungle]

GET

GET

GET

GETOU-

🗣️

[crisp heath]

CHECKMATE

[celest dome]

What is Kriptonite if not Warpstone yes-yes

[storm jungle]

Be quiet bitch

[rocky gale]

[crisp heath]

holy aura dark mangoes tactic

[storm jungle]

I said quiet bitch.

[crisp heath]

Now go out there and make someone smile

https://tenor.com/bOGbc.gif

[heady rivet]

I remember when Grimdank had a collective meltdown when they found out their grimdark setting was grimdark

[storm jungle]

To be fair

it did interupt them from their female primarch groupwank session

[heady rivet]

Truth nuke

Another 20 trillion goonposts

[heady rivet]

LC my beloved...

Another 20 trillion passes made at policewomen

[raven stone]

HH skitarii rules out on WarCom

Skitarii have anime protagonist "hours of mental dialogue are but nanoseconds in real time" power now

[young pecan]

my ork oc believes you're wrong so you are

[young pecan]

How many of these do you have LMAO

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[dapper gyro]

Most of them don't even know how strong real life weapons can be, let alone other fiction universes.

[young pecan]

Superman being in Dead while Batman is in God is either braindead or clickbait (still braindead)

[dapper gyro]

50 marines can take over earth (then the 1990s) - Some 40K author... Even without preparing time, within 48h, a modern battle group can wipe a marines company.

[storm jungle]

I said it before

TIBETAN MONKS

🤘

[tough haven]

Feels like this

[near wasp]

Soni

[misty vector]

Why did superman do this

[dapper gyro]

It is not superman, it is a clone that use Kryptonite to empower.

[humble shoal]

Marines vs icbm

[arctic talon]

The mechanicus skitarii included have always had that bit of lore since 7e lol💀

[dapper gyro]

Not even. If it is the current warfare gear, SM would run out of ammo before we run out of drone to throw on them.

[languid meadow]

https://youtu.be/h680stFg51Y?si=sUwXF6umLUX04JYg

https://tenor.com/view/iron-harvest-gif-24481242

Iron Harvest mentioned ! ! !

[tough haven]

https://youtu.be/aM4xN0WMQd8?si=b5fc7AFSfC7xymww

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1458483379686080532/wawawawawawawawawawawawawawa_bnuy.gif

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/deadlock-warden-alchemical-flask-gif-10946661139367895349

[queen laurel]

i mean the creators of dawn of war 4 is King art the creators of iron harvest

[arctic talon]

Thank you warden

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-warden-copper-golem-gif-4249204916827757688

[wary fulcrum]

I don’t know enough about Superman, but is it any yellow sun or just our yellow sun?

And doesn’t he have a weakness to magic? That could be why he dies, he has a whole host of new weakness’

Whereas Batman just has the same weakness’ as always

[languid meadow]

any yellow sun iirc

[quasi temple]

But our sun is green

[wary fulcrum]

Got dammit, my colourblindess strikes again!

[quasi temple]

Well our sun looks really yellow. But in reality it's blackboard spectrum peaks at green wavelengths

But our sky is blue. And blue + green = yellow

[rocky gale]

Colour is fake anyway

[quasi temple]

I could go on about th fourth power of omega that makes our sky blue...

[young pecan]

I thought he was only weak to the specific magic rock, not magic in general

[quasi temple]

Also about polarization of sunlight

[young pecan]

Either way what is Batman possibly surviving that Superman isn't

[dapper gyro]

Plot...

[quasi temple]

Batman has the best defenses of all time

Money and plot

[young pecan]

I mean I guess Batman being a huge nepo baby industry overlord means he can buy thirty overlaying void shields and have a blank cohort around him at all times

[hollow lantern]

Why have I been informed Adeptus Astartes can deepstrike anything with the keyword

[dapper gyro]

Batman can walk into bullets without a scratch sometimes, somehow.

[jade holly]

Bit late but Monolith spotted

[arctic talon]

I didn’t know you’d be interested but yes

Anything that isn’t super heavy

[hollow lantern]

That seems uh

Really good

[arctic talon]

And has that keyword can be deepstriked with a new detach

It seems very good

[hollow lantern]

Idk if interested is the right word

[arctic talon]

lol

Terrified?

[hollow lantern]

It feels like a trainwreck a little?

[arctic talon]

Prolly

[hollow lantern]

Like i simply can't look away?

[jade holly]

Potentially reckless?

[arctic talon]

It’ll be funny

The big scary thing to drop is prolly a vindicator

lol

[hollow lantern]

I think I'm sticking to KT for now lmfao

[jade holly]

Deep strike the whole army in front of Khornate Berserkers

[hollow lantern]

Titus doesn't care he'll kill them all anyway

[arctic talon]

I’ve played into it and it’s not

Too bad

Tbh

Titus is like

Ass 💀

[jade holly]

Titus when gun

[hollow lantern]

Gun when deepstrike 7.1 inches away

[arctic talon]

I played some games last week

Against new Titus

[hollow lantern]

And?

[arctic talon]

He’s pretty bad

He’s good situationally

But he’s awful into admech

[jade holly]

Or Gunline Tau

[arctic talon]

He gets screened super easily by admech

[jade holly]

Or castles

Or anyone who can focus him down from range

[arctic talon]

He’s prolly a nightmare for armies like guard

Wardens of ultramar are fucking stupid

At 90 points

You just run them without Titus

And you get 20 wounds

[raven stone]

Also remember they are over priced

[arctic talon]

They’re underpriced

[jade holly]

Can anyone else lead them or are they their own locked individual unit

[raven stone]

In terms of USD

[arctic talon]

Well yeah

lol

Titus is obnoxious

[hollow lantern]

The level of wank UM are getting makes me want to quit while I'm ahead again I'm ngl

[arctic talon]

But he’s not good

Wardens are a pain in the ass

[jade holly]

The pendulum shall swing back

[arctic talon]

For how cheap they are points wise

[hollow lantern]

Idk man, I've been out of playing 40k for uhhh

3 or so years atp

[raven stone]

Join the Red Corsairs instead lol

They might get the counter wank

[hollow lantern]

I don't like chaos models.

[jade holly]

I mean us Necron’s are winning apparently as I join

So I’m chilling

[raven stone]

Ah k fair fair

[arctic talon]

They are lol

GW accidentally leaked they’re getting their own unit

[hollow lantern]

How's Zerik enjoying the RC units?

[jade holly]

And own entire kit

[arctic talon]

Very much

[jade holly]

[arctic talon]

He likes em

[hollow lantern]

I think RC getting anything at all before a lot of warbands is funny

[arctic talon]

He thinks Huron’s face isn’t gross enough

lol

[raven stone]

I would enjoy that more just because not Ultra Titus combo wank

[hollow lantern]

Was not on my bingo board ever

[arctic talon]

Oh also

New Corsair stuff

Is coming out

As in eldar corsairs

[jade holly]

But seriously though, 3 new detachments, Ammentar and new Nightbringer is a nice little bundle of goodies

and hopefully we get a little more before 10e ends, unless that’s being too greedy of me

[arctic talon]

Oh also got to play into Ammentar

But proxied

[hollow lantern]

I don't like nucrons either tbh

[raven stone]

GW might be pushing hard on Red Corsairs as new 40k Chaos Marines poster boys

To isolate the 30k/40k lines even more

[arctic talon]

He’s underpriced as fuck lol

[arctic talon]

Unlikely

But maybe I’m wrong

lol

Maybe GW tries to move away from black legion

again

[jade holly]

Half the price for what is essentially a C’tan shard level centerpiece

Is insane

[arctic talon]

Points wise

He’s stupid

Like

[raven stone]

TBF even I want to be proven wrong.

Isolating 30k and 40k lines from each other makes business sense but is outright mean

And stupid

[arctic talon]

He could go up 30-50

Poinrs

Tbh

[jade holly]

Not to mention the free sustained hits on all destroyers near him

[arctic talon]

I mean

[jade holly]

plop him on center obj near some Hexmarks

[arctic talon]

Yes

That’s why he’s underpriced lol

He’s priced fine for his body and stats

His aura is what’s strong

[jade holly]

Does sustained hits work on Hexmark’s unique Overwatch ability?

[wary fulcrum]

I think it’s more that Batman knows what’ll get him so will tend to avoid them

But honestly it’s the plot armour

[raven stone]

The new campaign additions are balanced against each other.

But not the existing game overall

[jade holly]

Everyday I’m more and more tempted to get the Codex

Reveal unto me your secrets oh cursed one

[raven stone]

https://www.ign.com/articles/warhammer-maker-games-workshop-bans-its-staff-from-using-ai-in-its-content-or-designs-says-none-of-its-senior-managers-are-currently-excited-about-the-tech

[arctic talon]

Glory to James Workshop

[rose thorn]

arent his rules supposed ot be free??

[rose thorn]

PEAK??????

[rose thorn]

this is proabbal becaause of the ai generated displate

[young pecan]

James Sweatshop be ethical challenge

Succeeded?

[lament shoal]

James Sweatshop 💀

[arctic talon]

Yes

They’re in a pdf

On Warcom

[arctic talon]

GW is pretty ethical in terms of how they treat their employees

As funny as it is to imagine them having a sweatshop where they make 12 year olds paid below minimum wage make toys

[sacred bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIWVtnFZD7U

[jade holly]

James Workshop demands us by da book with no Ammentar in it

Or yeah use Warcom

[rose thorn]

thats wierd, the aos app shows the rules for units in ROR and post battletome releases for free

[jade holly]

Some things I see for free

Like Shatterstar Arsenal

But no not Ammentar lmao

[arctic talon]

Prolly a bug

For 40k

I’d report it

lol

There is also

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-tf2-professionals-have-standards-drive-gif-15105282

[arctic talon]

Yknow

The alternative

Wahapedia

lol

[young pecan]

They may be nazi germany levels of control over what their publishers are allowed to release but at least they're ethical

[arctic talon]

GW having profit share for all employees based off of total corporate earning is still insane to me

lol

[jade holly]

Profit share??

As in each employee gets a % of the profits earned as pay?

[arctic talon]

Employees get a % of the profit yes lol

Like a co-op

It’s monthly

[jade holly]

That’s insane

[arctic talon]

You even get it as a retail employee

Now granted

GW is banking on their employees buying warhammer stuff as well

Which is kind of exploitative lol

They offer njce discounts to employees for a reason

[languid meadow]

company town with extra steps

[jade holly]

I mean at least you’ll have a discount…?

[arctic talon]

Tbh it’s not a company town bcs it’s actual cash + you’re buying plastic not stuff you need to live

The issue is pretty much every GW employee likes warhammer lol

I’m sure they only look for employees who like miniatures or like Warhammer or both

For retail jobs

Sure they’re paying you above minimum wage + profit share

But they’re also pretty sure you’re gona buy a box of plastic

[jade holly]

Above average pay, % profit pay and discounts is enough for me ngl

[languid meadow]

send my ass to the mines

I will die for GW in the corporate wars if it meant I got payed well

[arctic talon]

Of all the retail jobs to work for

GW deadass is one of the good ones

They almost always pay above minimum wage + you get profit share on your paycheck

Downside

You have to interact with warhammer players. Which is fine most of the time

But you’ll also run into

those sorts

[raven stone]

Yea for all the shit we fans give them for raising plastic crack prices, they are definitely fair to their workers

[arctic talon]

I hope they don’t increase everything this year

Bcs they didn’t last year

[rocky gale]

Did they not increase everything like 2 or 3 months ago?

[arctic talon]

No

The price increase for 2025 was spring

[tough haven]

I have a Kommando ork in a guard tower getting shot at by a silenced rifle and missing, if he notices the shot, do you think it’s plausible he just assumes it’s another or shooting at him (or just shooting for the heck of it) or would he recognize a failed ambush

[arctic talon]

And it wasn’t a universal one oddly enough

[arctic talon]

Depends

[tough haven]

I don’t want the orks I’m writing to be too stupid

[arctic talon]

Imo

Have the Ork think it’s another Ork but they were trying to kill them

[tough haven]

But also I don’t want them to be incredibly well coordinated

[rocky gale]

They did

[arctic talon]

Huh

I forgot about that one

[crystal forum]

lol again

[tough haven]

Like start a fight between the two?

Maybe I’ll flip a coin lol

[arctic talon]

Have them get angry and take cover. Could roll to see if they fire back or start a fight

[tough haven]

“Oi! Goggles! I zoggin swear if that’s you shootin’ at me, I’ll rip your arms off!”

[rose thorn]

dark admech is never coming to 40k lmao

[last stone]

I like the horse skull

[arctic talon]

Draykavac is so fucking funny lol

Such a horrid person

Even the dark Mechanicum didn’t want him

[queen laurel]

Brother how are you so horrible chaos worshippers don't want you

[arctic talon]

He emptied out 13+ worlds of people just to servitorize them lol

He exclusively used servitors and tech thralls

Also he would forcibly lobotomize anyone who disobeyed his orders or was too slow for his tastes, ect.

He looked for any excuse to servitorize people lol

[queen laurel]

is that his fetish or what

Like what the hell is is the point of doing that

Creating a super servitor or something

[arctic talon]

Maybe

[arctic talon]

Who the fuck knows

He got so good at this he made mobile servitorization + food factories lol

[glossy sonnet]

Why does he have a horse head

[rose thorn]

wait

hey da fans

wasnt this a named guy?

[arctic talon]

He was always generic

But he had a name in the store

If that makes sense

[rose thorn]

ohhhh okay

That’s what i thoguht

[arctic talon]

He likes it

[daring creek]

[rose thorn]

crazy that modenr day admech now does that on the monthly

[arctic talon]

They don’t make that many servitors

Too expensive

lol

Combined output is prolly more then that

[rose thorn]

oh fair, i was thinking about when a buncg of refugees fled to an admehc planet

[arctic talon]

But they don’t like

[arctic talon]

Skill issue cadians

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

But yes the mechanicus servitorized a bunch of cadian civilians

And turned the kids into slaves

Lol

[rose thorn]

oh thats suprisngly, i really didnt think they would spare the kids

[arctic talon]

But draykavac was funny and would invade worlds

[arctic talon]

Not big enough

[rose thorn]

ahh

[arctic talon]

Is the issue

[rose thorn]

oh so its vat born babies or fully grown adults?

[arctic talon]

It wasn’t out of any moral reason

[arctic talon]

Nah the vatgrown servitors are adults when they get popped out

But it’s cheaper to just use existing humans

[rose thorn]

oh what baout cherubs?

[arctic talon]

Cherubs are cherubs

So yeah

I thought you were talking about normal servitors

lol

But cherubs are useless

They’re very pretty but not “practical”

[celest dome]

Having Kid servitor is just a mess cause the body still try to grow after the Servitorisation

[arctic talon]

They also executed all the old people

Bcs too old for servitors

[celest dome]

Better to enslave them, and then servitorise them after adulthood

[arctic talon]

Not worth it

[rose thorn]

oh so servators have to be older than like, 25?

[arctic talon]

Just use them as normal menials

[arctic talon]

Ideally

[unique bronze]

dont cherubs augment psychic abilities of inquisitors i read

[celest dome]

You're thinking of the Charridian

[arctic talon]

Those are cherub familiars

Specifically

Also yeah charridians

[unique bronze]

the other ones just maintaining your weapons for ya

[arctic talon]

Psychic familiars are weird

[daring creek]

What do cherubs even do besides float around and look ugly

[arctic talon]

They can sing

Hold weapons and ammo

[celest dome]

Some announce their owner

[rose thorn]

i was gonna say i thought greyfox doesnt like cherbusand hse was the only named psyker inquisitor i could think of

[arctic talon]

Bring new ammo

[unique bronze]

they hold your gun for you

[daring creek]

I don't wanna hear no fugly servitor babies sing

[arctic talon]

They can do a lot of stuff

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-leave-me-alone-meme-gif-6420351794930725971

[arctic talon]

Some people find them creepy

Some like them

[unique bronze]

i heard they also arent babies

[arctic talon]

They are

They’re just vat grown usually

Unlike normal servitors

[unique bronze]

really? i thought they were just fucked up mutants that just came out wrong

[arctic talon]

Which are mostly people the imperium marks as criminals

Some servitors would be actual death row inmates irl

Others are uh

lol

You stole bread from a cardinal

[celest dome]

Vagrancy

[daring creek]

Aren't some just deadass kidnapped

[unique bronze]

like they were intentionally made to look like that

[celest dome]

Theft

[rose thorn]

Ong windows 11 is less optimized than the LoV super computers what is this shit

[unique bronze]

to resemble child like angels on terran myth or something

[arctic talon]

When they can’t meet quota yes

[rose thorn]

I press the windows key once to search for a program, then my entire computer lags until I restart it

[daring creek]

Maybe the Imperium uses Linux

[arctic talon]

Also sometimes tech priests kidnap you for eugenics programs

lol

[unique bronze]

Me still on Win 10

[rose thorn]

Day of ascension reference

[daring creek]

Does mechanicus the book go over servitors

[arctic talon]

Which one

lol

The admech codex yes

[daring creek]

Horus heresy im p sure

[arctic talon]

Oh

Mechanicum

Not really

[daring creek]

Fuck

[rose thorn]

I like how it’s mentioned sometimes that servators sentience is dependent on how complex their purpose is

I’ve read it like twice

[arctic talon]

They’re not meant to be sentient

But they’re more cognizant

Which is

Arguably more horrifying

[rose thorn]

Yeah that’s what I meant lol

[daring creek]

Zoinks

[rose thorn]

Some can even have conversations lmao

[arctic talon]

Enclave daughter or Legion son

Pick one

[rose thorn]

Post or pre 3

[unique bronze]

whats an enclave daughter

[rose thorn]

Fallout

[unique bronze]

oh

[valid needle]

Nazi daughter

[rose thorn]

Institute daughter or powder ganger son

[arctic talon]

Institute

Powder gangers

[valid needle]

Institute

[arctic talon]

Derogatory

[celest dome]

Is is a closer pick than Battlemace son and Hazbin daughter ?

[rose thorn]

Hazbin by far

[arctic talon]

Yes

They’re both facists

lol

[valid needle]

Enclave daughter

[arctic talon]

Which is why I thought this was a funny comparison

Enclave looks cooler though

KILL EVERYONE

[arctic talon]

Do powder gangers have rules in wasteland warfare lol

[rose thorn]

No but they have an encounter

[arctic talon]

Lmao

[rose thorn]

(You get dynamite thrown at you)

[arctic talon]

10/10

No notes

[rose thorn]

Encounter as in the random event deck not a dedicated mission

So every mission you have a chance of some guys throwing dynamite at you

I hope with season 2 of the show we get a nv part 2

As much as I’d like powder ganger we have like 10 raider factions

[arctic talon]

Ngl

The powder gangers are like

A left over from van buren

Where they’d actually be relevant aside from being

Raider fodder with some backstory

[rocky gale]

Legion are basically a leftover from Van Buren tbh

The version we get in New Vegas is like 10% of what was planned

[arctic talon]

Legion also got changed a lot as well tbh

More then the powder gangers

They just never got finished

So they’re just, there lol

[rocky gale]

They were supposed to be so much more

[storm jungle]

Im glad they arent

legion fans are obnoxious as fuck now, imagine if we got their "full" package

[arctic talon]

They weren’t going to have technocrats in NV tbf

They were just gona have more quests

lol

[storm jungle]

Idgaf about technocrats

im talking about the legion bruh

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

💀

[arctic talon]

No like

That was a core bit of the legion in van buren smh

Also van buren was prolly gona be ass

lol

From what’s known

I think it would have been bad

But what do I know

[rocky gale]

Like Caesar was supposed to basically supposed to acknowledge that the Legion was awful, but that it had to exist as a transitory state, so that someone better would come along and use the framework of the Legion to make an actually good society.

Waiting for someone to pull a Caesar on him

https://tenor.com/view/caesar-death-of-stabbed-death-of-caesar-gif-13016381

[storm jungle]

yeah uh that is A LOT of cope on his part

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Lmao

[spring cairn]

crazy that u have ppl unironically siding with the legion

[arctic talon]

They’re either actually stupid, authoritarian/facist, or sexist

Or all of the above

lol

[storm jungle]

my favorite part is NCR fans going "Me when I blow up the skull of a Legion fan with a 50. cal bullet"

Peak.

[arctic talon]

It’s called a can opener for a reason, the can in question is a legionaries skull

[spring cairn]

no but u see

the NCR isn't 100% perfect

so clearllly

the legion is good or something

[arctic talon]

Flawed democracy or authoritarian hellstate without proper science

Pick one

Also

You still pay taxes to the legion

[wary fulcrum]

Is the fourth option of ‘I can’t possibly be worse than these two Jack asses, or Mr House’ not objectively the moral one?

[arctic talon]

Mr. House is pretty bad as well

He’s another flavor of authoritarianism

But he’s at least not like

The legion

💀

[spring cairn]

better than the legion but still worse than the NCR

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But hey, you won’t pay taxes

I guess

[wary fulcrum]

Exactly, and I’m not an authoritarian dictator, my decisions are perfectly just and make perfect sense

[arctic talon]

Yes Man ending is just

[wary fulcrum]

It’s their fault I crucified them, if they only followed the rules

[arctic talon]

Realistically anarchy lol

[wary fulcrum]

Yes

[arctic talon]

And not the good type

[wary fulcrum]

Your grip isn’t tight enough see

If everyone just does as they’re told it’s not anarchy

[arctic talon]

How many screws loose do you think a female courier has to have to side with the legion

💀

I will side with the people who think I should be enslaved

[heady rivet]

Two 9mm rounds to the brain

[arctic talon]

Yeah prolly

[wary fulcrum]

…yeah that’s a good point

[rocky gale]

You get the coin though

[heady rivet]

Or read Right Wing Women by Andrea Dworkin

Coulda saved her

[storm jungle]

Uncle Ruckus type shit

[arctic talon]

You do get the coin

[heady rivet]

FREE MOVIES!!!

[spring cairn]

FREE TV'S

GET YOUR FREE TV'S

[rocky gale]

and historically Caesar made a coin with his face and the face of Augustus on the other side, so Caesar in NV doing that with the Courier implies you're his heir

[wary fulcrum]

My beef with NV (aside from how it wasn’t a great story without the DLC’s) is that the courier has so much power

They decide the fate of, effectively, a nation

And they’re literally a folk who 6 weeks early got domed

[storm jungle]

I mean

thats literally every single RPG though

[wary fulcrum]

Not the headshot part

That’s new

[storm jungle]

Cyberpunk, Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout, Baldurs Gate

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/meeting-v-male-dex-dexter-deshaw-cyberpunk2077-gif-26400734

[arctic talon]

Tbh in baldurs gate 1 and 2 you’re def a special snowflake from the start lol

You’re a bhaalspawn

[storm jungle]

"1 and 2"

Wolf

EVERY RPG DOES THIS

[arctic talon]

Yes

[storm jungle]

No. Die.

[wary fulcrum]

I’d disagree with Skyrim and oblivion

The only main story decision in those two is whether you kill the genocidal war criminal who feels bad or not

Or you kill the assassins or help the assassins

[valid needle]

I didn’t even play the dlcs, are they worth playing?

[vagrant fox]

yes

[arctic talon]

Ngl V should have seen this coming from a mile away lol

[wary fulcrum]

They make the game for me

It’s alright without them. Good, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t really care about the story as such.

The DLC’s had me invested

[vagrant fox]

Honest Hearts I'm not too fond of but all in all the DLCs are good

[young pecan]

Honest Hearts is aight
All the other DLCs are peak at what they aim for

[rose thorn]

hey why is there so much dubi themed stuff now?

[valid needle]

I been meaning to replay 3 and nv again anyway

[rose thorn]

saw someone with a like weird shirt thta said "love like dubi" or osmehting like that

and there is a bunch of dubi candy?

and the study abroad program now has dubi as an option

[wary fulcrum]

I’m 70% of the way through the FO3 main story and the file corrupted

Fuming

[arctic talon]

Money and marketing

[rose thorn]

oh lol

did hte dubi govemrent do that?

[arctic talon]

Yes

Well

Not the city government

But the countries

[wintry scarab]

This Vandoth guy is a space marine, right?

[glossy sonnet]

Look at him

[arctic talon]

Yes

[heady rivet]

Correct. Blood Angel

[spring cairn]

murder hobo marine

[heady rivet]

And he's got a better stat line than most gang leaders

[surreal nest]

https://frvr.com/blog/warhammer-company-games-workshop-bans-generative-ai-for-all-content-to-respect-our-human-creators/

[hallow saddle]

marine W yet again...

these headlines are insane btw

i read the investor report earlier

im gonna clip what they actually said

i guess theyre not too insane

[storm jungle]

Warhammer makes tons of money

more at 11

[daring creek]

does this include the AI for graphics in DT?

[hallow saddle]

its not like "woah poggers theyve officially banned AI!!!!!!!"

[storm jungle]

Yeah I said this earlier they 100% considered using AI but realised its not worth the public backlash. GW are absolute scum at their core but usually make good business decisions for more revenue.

[hallow saddle]

its just good business sense to not use AI

carry on doing what they do best

which is people designing models

[storm jungle]

Yeah that. Like they are cheapskates already and know how to cut corners as is lol

[hallow saddle]

and then make those models...

[winter pine]

very rare type of corporation now for some reason

[hallow saddle]

its reassuring that theyve not drunk the AI sales pitch kool-aid thats for sure

[storm jungle]

Eh again, its smarter to let consumers know these things.

Its why GW has also been very good with broad appeal post-2018 with shit like diverse models, characters etc

[wary fulcrum]

His stat line is weird. Dudes who can pick 400lbs muscle heads up one handed and throw them clean across a room?

S4

[plush mason]

where is that from?

[winter pine]

I guess it helps that I assume GW probably makes the large chunk of its profit from whales who hate generative AI

[storm jungle]

Yeah lol

[winter pine]

The plastic minis are iirc like 80%+ of all profit right lmao

[surreal nest]

Well yeah no shit what business is going to blanket ban the most ballooning aspect of intellectual property in the last decade

But something is better than nothing

Rather read "we dont plan to use AI" rather than Larian saying they will not consider not using AI for concept art

[arctic talon]

Warframe

[daring creek]

although gw is yet another corporation

[storm jungle]

No corporation is good.

Like I said above they are just smart

[plush mason]

the sooner the AI bubble pops the better

[daring creek]

I'm still glad they haven't integrated AI into any of their major work yet

[surreal nest]

We gotta start pinning AI users by their collar to planks of wood and throw bowling balls at them

[storm jungle]

its better to keep mass appeal by not making a push for AI

[daring creek]

Yea I know that

[storm jungle]

a happy customer is a compliant customer

[winter pine]

The whiplash of Larian releasing possibly the craziest trailer I've ever seen for a game with Swen being a dumbass CEO was disappointing

[storm jungle]

No.

[surreal nest]

I KNOW RIGHT

[daring creek]

what?

[surreal nest]

You saw their most recent report right please

[storm jungle]

what was it

[surreal nest]

They legit say they will not stop using AI

[storm jungle]

oh

i thought it was sales drops or something

lol

[daring creek]

I just think its neat they haven't bought into the AI trend yet

and are openly rejecting it

[storm jungle]

Well yeah but thats what they want

the reaction here kinda sums it up

[winter pine]

Europeans at first worried they missed the boat on modern "AI" before realizing it's all bullshit and they saved literal trillions by not bothering:

[daring creek]

To see them as the "good" corporation?

[storm jungle]

Basically yeah

its harmless reputation building

[daring creek]

Ah

[surreal nest]

How exactly can Larian claim that their game won't have generative art in it but they will use generative art for concepts. Is that not...having generated art in your game? Or is it an uhmmmmm actually i generated it for inspiration then drew it myself

[storm jungle]

it makes you trust them and buy their shit more

and sniff toxic glue

[daring creek]

Hey now

I like sniffing glue....

[storm jungle]

GW related death toll will rise

[storm jungle]

Idc as long as the game is good tbh

[hallow saddle]

they just heckerino poggers chungused AI!

[storm jungle]

we're all AI anyway

[daring creek]

What does that even mean

[surreal nest]

To me personally it is very important for me to know that a company isnt Larian

[daring creek]

I'm not artificial, or intelligent!

[storm jungle]

Its late. The new world order has begun 😔

[winter pine]

I think the Larian devs will just phone in using it to placate the boss

Make him think they're using the tool his dumbass spent too much money on

[surreal nest]

I think the larian devs like AI too ngl

Not to say they arent a victim of a god awful CEO but im not convinced they care, which is another trouble in AI in that random fuck ass devs just get roped into using it to keep a job in a dogshit industry

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-it's-peak-cat-it's-coal-its-peak-its-mid-gif-12295099395828911145

[winter pine]

https://youtu.be/5iyxJ72G0lM?list=RD5iyxJ72G0lM

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[winter pine]

rightoids trying to make scary propaganda but the song is actually really catchy

[surreal nest]

AI brought out the most annoying crowd to me and thats the calling literally everything AI and harassing real artists accusing of AI

[surreal nest]

They do this all the fucking time

Idk how

[daring creek]

insane deep fake

[surreal nest]

Their propaganda is so funny

[rocky gale]

It's always the fucking "They're gonna make you eat bugs" crap

Like gotta be honest, if it comes in nugget form and tastes good I don't care if it's made out of crickets

[daring creek]

We already eat edible plastic

[winter pine]

food inflation is going to start squeezing people enough that I think this might genuinely happen

[daring creek]

I wouldn't mind eating bugs if they taste good

[winter pine]

Once again another Mike Pondsmith W when they put SCOP on the market in the 2030s

[daring creek]

A lot more fuckin nutritional value than the shit the average person eats

[heady rivet]

Speaking of propaganda FLOPS, Britains game for school children where they make the Alt goth girl thats nothing but nice to you the "bad guy" and then try to tell you you're evil if you agree with any of her points even when she's making valid points

[arctic talon]

Ngl bugs don’t even taste bad lol

[winter pine]

Was this made by a literal baby boomer lmao

everyone loves goth girls now

[rocky gale]

British school propaganda always fails

[daring creek]

What the hellis this?

[heady rivet]

Its not even that sje's just genuinely nice and good to you and most of the shit she complains about is completely valid to point as as shitty lole

[rocky gale]

Like they used to have a whole program about teaching kids not to sniff solvents to get high, but all it did was teach kids that they could sniff solvents to get high

[arctic talon]

Human kibble time

DARE was a failure in the US lol

For other stupid like

“Don’t do drugs”

tells you about drugs

[daring creek]

Helldivers 2 is real

[storm jungle]

GOD LMAO

[daring creek]

I kept fucking saying it before

Helldivers 2 IS REAL

[storm jungle]

Always was.

[rocky gale]

"When I did Drugs it was the most exciting time of my life, I felt great, I felt free and the rush was amazing, it was the best feeling ever... but like they're bad so I stopped and you shouldn't do them"

[storm jungle]

WINNERS

DONT

DO DRUGS

[daring creek]

My prescription Medication stopping me from going insane:

[rocky gale]

and then they do the whole "I turned my life around and look at me now" I mean you're giving a seminar to a bunch of 9 year olds, wouldn't really call that being in the winning lane.

[hallow saddle]

drugs are incredible

[winter pine]

lowkey kind of wonder how many millennials that DARE lion turned into furries

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/500-stims-helldivers-helldivers-2-helldiver-stims-gif-14163659942191692383

[rocky gale]

Yea they really did a great job of convincing us how cool drugs were while teaching us not to use them

[arctic talon]

Non addictive

My favorite

[wary fulcrum]

What is this?

Is this the one that calls you a far right extremist for saying you’re not sure if you support migration?

[arctic talon]

I play as a meth fiend

[storm jungle]

Yeah because you die before they even start addiction LMAO

[arctic talon]

Drugs are great

If you break a leg stim

[winter pine]

https://youtu.be/DG4rh77LJck?list=RDDG4rh77LJck

[arctic talon]

If you get shot stim

[winter pine]

legendary video of a guy ranting about this stuff they took off the market in the 80s

[heady rivet]

Pathways

[daring creek]

Are they just sedatives full of crack or do they have restorative properties? I've always cannon'd theyre full of nano machines or smth

[storm jungle]

Its all.

because its 100% like unhealthy stimulants of some kind

[crisp heath]

not relavant to the conversation at all i just found this cool

[storm jungle]

as the actual information on them is fully censored

lol

[hallow saddle]

man i wish i could have tried quaaludes

[heady rivet]

Correct. The "right" choice in every single scenario is to just never make your own opinion contrary to the governments and alienate your friends if they ever do

[hallow saddle]

if ozzy osbourne loved them then im on board

[heady rivet]

Britain moment

[storm jungle]

the Green Goblin???

[arctic talon]

I head canon’d it’s a bunch of amphetamines, painkillers and nanobots

lol

[storm jungle]

^

because the divers that take them act very unhinged lol

[heady rivet]

Remember when he had to come out as sober?

[storm jungle]

its 100% like

a riff on nazis using meth

lmao

[arctic talon]

Every military uses stimulants of some sort

lol

Including modern ones

[storm jungle]

Yeah and lie about it

its great

lmao

[hallow saddle]

why wouldnt you

[hallow saddle]

hell of a competitive advantage

[arctic talon]

If you claim you don’t take stimulants but drink coffee that’s wrong lol

Because caffeine is a stimulant

[heady rivet]

What a DISASTER of a plan

[storm jungle]

"WE DONT WANT FILTHY FOREIGNERS HERE"

Goes to eat at his favorite kebab joint after protesting

[plush mason]

thanks to dark heresy i now know kroot have females, ngl the way they talked about the shapers i figured the kroot where grown in like vats or something

[arctic talon]

Nah kroot have like

Very light sexual dimorphism

[daring creek]

How the hell can you say immigrants go home and precede to eat Latin food

like

[arctic talon]

That only kroot can tell

[daring creek]

they literally bought the best shit over here

[arctic talon]

It’s obvious for them ig

lol

But for everyone else they can’t tell

[daring creek]

I would be dead in the grave if it weren't for middle eastern food

[plush mason]

fitting seeing as kroot cant tell any non kroot apart very well, at least afaik

[arctic talon]

well

Grekh specifically can't

[rocky gale]

I remember when documentaries made the shift from "The Nazis shocked the world in the early war with their incredible determination and hard work allowing them to speed through fatigue and keep pushing past the French lines"

To "Yea they were on meth, they didn't need to sleep or slow down because they were on meth, they weren't driving and fighting for 3 days straight without rest because of determination, they were just taking so much meth"

[arctic talon]

we dunno about other kroot lol

[dark moon]

Middle eastern food is a work of art.

So tasty

[arctic talon]

but the way kroot reproduce is funny as well

the male has glands in their hands and the female kroot can absorb the secretions through their back

[heady rivet]

Agree with the food part but I'll be honest I think importing millions of the most reactionary men on earth that despise western liberal democracies was a bit bad for those western liberal democracies

[storm jungle]

Wasnt there a literal research paper showing immigration affects like 2% of britain

and its like completely unrelated shit thats the real cause

[heady rivet]

Thats such a vague statement it needs further context so I can even comment

[hallow saddle]

not to mention theyre fucking demented anyway because britain is a country of immigrants

[storm jungle]

Everything you say is such a vague statement that I need further context so I can even comment tbf.

[rocky gale]

Yea most of Britains issues are Thatchers fault, not immigrants

[hallow saddle]

anyone who isnt decended from celts is an immigrant

fetishising anglo-saxons, who were immigrants

[storm jungle]

Anglonia....

[hallow saddle]

vikings, romans

[storm jungle]

arent original british people literally germans

[hallow saddle]

normans

[storm jungle]

same thing

white people

[valid needle]

https://tenor.com/view/gurl-sassy-sass-whatever-girl-gif-17073376

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kat-kitty-kitten-evil-gif-10545349572153573100

[valid needle]

No

[storm jungle]

Yes

[valid needle]

The English yes

[plush mason]

those arent original

[valid needle]

Not Britons

[rocky gale]

Why is the water industry failing? Thatcher privatised it and the companies didn't maintain it while they pocketed the profits
Why is the train infrastructure failing? Thatcher privatised it and the companies didn't maintain it while they pocketed the profits
Why is the energy infrastructure failing? Thatcher privatised it and REPEAT

[storm jungle]

Arent those from skyrim

[valid needle]

The English invaded

[valid needle]

💀

No

[storm jungle]

literally genderbent Reagan

[hallow saddle]

i know, im listing immigrants

[plush mason]

the real original british people are the welsh

[valid needle]

The celts and Britons were the original inhabitants of what we call Britain, the English are descended from the Germans who invaded and settled.

[heady rivet]

I mean I can be more specific. The populations moving to places like Britain are like 2/3rds men and come from cultures that think and teach all women are whores from birth so maybe its fair to say thats not an ideal thing to add for the benefit of kebab. I wouldnt want like, the westboro baptist church moving into my town for similar reasons

[valid needle]

Slow down buddy the Scottish have just as much claim to Britain as you do

[heady rivet]

That being Islam, and variants of Christianity taught in Africa by the most insane denominations from the US with no checks or limits

[plush mason]

and then Frankish-Scandinavians invaded an settled the germans

[hallow saddle]

the cornish will list themselves as OGs too

[heady rivet]

Even more REACTIONARY variants than usual, that is

[storm jungle]

Bro I CANNOT read all of this

https://tenor.com/view/cat-reading-book-gif-3108297423409080751

[valid needle]

Yeah the English are basically a melting pot of everyone who invaded and took land from the Britons and the celts.

[plush mason]

yup

[hallow saddle]

their idea of real british is just literally fucking made up

me when im a twitter chud talking about complete ffantasy

[heady rivet]

Tl;dr stop importing international inceldom

[valid needle]

Britons became Welsh, celts became Scotland and Ireland

[storm jungle]

[valid needle]

In a very simple message

Cut down

You get my point

[dark moon]

Where is the catto headed?

[heady rivet]

The club

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-club-disco-dance-gif-6165620849936609139

No entry.

✋

[rocky gale]

Yea you don't need to, it's just alt right nonsense

[crisp heath]

what is this chat even talkingf about

[hallow saddle]

we're talking about keepin bri'ain bri'ish

[winter pine]

me and the other slaves to darkness when Terra falls and the corpse-emperor is deposed (we're having the best time ever)

[daring creek]

I think that can be unlearned from plain integration.

Though the culture shock

mmm.

[daring creek]

Ethicities and immigration

[crisp heath]

boooooooooooooooooooooriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing

[heady rivet]

I''m not saying that places like Europe are some paradise free of patriarchal systems and cultures but you cant honestly say the places cause it. Its the people, the men

[crisp heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102363329038647296/1319826186695741502/lv_0_20241121204853.gif

[young pecan]

Not all cultures are valid and I don't think that should be a controversial thing to say

[valid needle]

Immigration of Islam and how the English people are just a melting pot of all the German, Frankish and Scandinavian invaders who came to Britain and stole land from its original inhabitants (Welsh, Irish and Scottish)

[hallow saddle]

if you dont decent from the original Beaker people ur not real bri'ish

back in 2500 BC

[rocky gale]

The "It's all men coming over to take over" thing is Alt Right nonsense, most of the people who make the trips are men because the trips are potentially deadly, so they come over first by themselves, apply for status and when they're accepted they have their family brought over safely.

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/mimi-muppets-gif-27609128

[heady rivet]

Oh absolutely agree, integration is possible and happens all the time. Its just that this is seen as some scary word, which means you end up with like 2nd and 3rd gen immigrants that are still INSANE levels of reactionary on things their (Now home!) country ISNT

[heady rivet]

Well you read a completely different sentence then, but also ignored my main point

[heady rivet]

We already have homegrown insane dudes that say and believe insane shit about women, so just allowing in even more of guys like that is an insanely weird view to be considered progressive now

[daring creek]

Honestly yeah I agree. We shouldn't tolerate things like homophobia and Misogyny. I get really uncomfortable when people use their religion as justification...

Then again they were raised that way so its not entirely their fault. I just get uncomfortable when they say "I am fine with gay but my religion does not approve." I mean I get it. I just have experience with such individuals arguing "gay isn't natural cuz god"

It's just inherently sus to me sometimes.

[valid needle]

Yeah Christianity and Islam are very homophobic

Islam still execute people for it today

It’s very disturbing

[plush mason]

something many Christians are jealous of and want to be allowed to do

[heady rivet]

And again, its not like the "Christian" countries are paradise. Many arent, especially in some places. But when we compare the two societies, nobodys perfect but I massively prefer one to the other

[heady rivet]

And thank God (badum tsh) they arent able to

[hallow saddle]

i wanna execute people for being homophobic

[valid needle]

I stopped believing in imaginary friends when I was 5.

[surreal nest]

Only if you apply this to america then I accept such a statement

[daring creek]

My moms the reason I stray from religion further and further

shes digging herself a deeper hole.

[heady rivet]

Well Missus makes a point that its actually really easy to integrate people, its just something thats become taboo so now everyone has to put up with it until some right wing party comes along and is the ONLY one to take a stand. The fuckin AfD is straight up winning votes with the LGBT population now purely on the issue of migration. And its the AfD!

[valid needle]

AFD are the new German national socialists yes?

[hallow saddle]

yep

[heady rivet]

Extreme Far-right and Pro-Russian. L:ed by a lesbian with a non-White migrant wife. Because The Onion cant beat reality

[hallow saddle]

imagine voting alongside true fascists if ur LGBT

seems fucking demented but what do i know

even if the party doesnt openly advocate anti-lgbt policies u know that a big chunk of their supporters hate lgbt

[young pecan]

Wdym

[valid needle]

He means only if you mean America

[young pecan]

As in if I criticize America similarly, or if I only criticize America?

[surreal nest]

No like

[arctic talon]

They're neo nazis yes

[surreal nest]

Consider it in your batch of invalid cultures

[young pecan]

Oh well duh

[arctic talon]

well

[young pecan]

I fucking hate America

[arctic talon]

more facist then nazi

[surreal nest]

A lot of (i dont know if you are american) act like every culture is terrible and evil but America is awesome

[arctic talon]

but still

[valid needle]

Fuck america

[arctic talon]

writing is on the wall lol

[valid needle]

Traitorous rebels

[surreal nest]

Base

You passed!

[rocky gale]

It's like how the trans community has a serious Nazi problem

[arctic talon]

unsurprising

lol

[valid needle]

1 trillion nukes to America immediately

[arctic talon]

sometimes people want to oppress others the moment they're inpower

[hallow saddle]

the greens in the UK are building momentum against the right

[young pecan]

"Hurt people hurt people" ass mfs

[arctic talon]

which yeah

[dark moon]

The thing my old man told me about religion is that: Much of the time, it’s not the religion that’s the problem, it’s its hardline / extremist supporters.

[arctic talon]

lol

[surreal nest]

Only if I can survive

[hallow saddle]

(the greens being led by someone who's essentially a liberal democrat rather than a typical green)

[arctic talon]

Sometimes people are just looking for an excuse to be the boot

simple as

Its a common thing lol

more people have authoritarian leanings that they are pretty comfortable with

as long as they're in power

lol

[dark moon]

Of course there’s always those “uhhh what?” kinda passages in every religious text.

But that doesn’t mean you can’t believe in or worship the deity of said religion.

[daring creek]

Doesn't the individual define the religion?

Pardon if this offends

[dark moon]

Elaborate. Ya lost me.

I’m a bit slow after eating sometimes.

[daring creek]

All good

hm

[dark moon]

Like the central deity / figurehead defines the religion? Is that what you mean?

[heady rivet]

Genuinely, they got votes because they are the only party to actually take a stand against migration, which is one of the top voter issues. As for why LGBT would vote, its because these previously mentioned Migrants are not at all close to the level of acceptance that German society is, even imperfect as it is. Its not ideal. Even a right-wing German I know doesnt like the AfD because they're a party of "Complainers" that dont have plans so much as they yell "We will change current thing". Also he's not a nazi ofc, just leans right economically

[wary fulcrum]

I have a sneaking suspicion that if the conservatives swapped Kemi Badenoch out for any random white dude, Reform’s vote share would crumble overnight.

[heady rivet]

A failure to integrate or vet extremism pushed Europe to right-wing levels not seen for a long time (And this is bad ofc)

[hallow saddle]

that's fascism down to a tee, no? wanting to tear down the existing system but not really offering anything for people

[heady rivet]

Yeah pretty much

Turns out people only really become extremists when things are bad, and dont just wake up and decided to align with fringe political circles

[heady rivet]

Like Hitler coasted into power on economic instability and post-war anger at the loss of the good times before

[rocky gale]

Failure to integrate and rising extremism are also symptoms though, they're not the causes. People don't integrate because our societies and services are already crumbling, they have nothing to integrate into.

[valid needle]

To be fair the rest of the world didn’t help

[rocky gale]

It's not just an issue with immigrants, there's rising extremism and antisocial behaviour amongst all youth circles because they don't have anything.

[daring creek]

i think ill explain it later if ur still here personman

[dark moon]

Sounds good.

[young pecan]

The fact that the US, the country that prided itself on immigration back then, turned a ship full of Jewish escapees around and back to Germany

Lives rent free in my head

[arctic talon]

I mean unsurprising

lol

the US was going through an extreme isolationist period

post WW2

[daring creek]

during the holocaust too im pretty sure

[arctic talon]

not during

but the writing was on the wall

[daring creek]

ah

[arctic talon]

of what was going to happen

[daring creek]

was that fdr

[young pecan]

That was during WW2 I'm pretty sure

But yeah true

Still gross

[arctic talon]

it was at the very start of WW2 pre holocaust

[heady rivet]

Deleting a wall of text like Aang leaving the Avatar state

[arctic talon]

but yes

[heady rivet]

Correct, 1939 I believe

[arctic talon]

it was disgusting

but if you looked at the political climate in the US at the time it makes sense

also

this