40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

normalish

[fervent geode]

PLA were doing partisan stuff

[arctic talon]

yeah

[hollow lantern]

would reccomend it

[crystal forum]

my favorite inter war light tank

[fervent geode]

sounds about right

[shadow plover]

I've been inside a T-26

[crystal forum]

i love the T-26 so much

[hollow lantern]

iirc you can run one

[crystal forum]

it's such a nifty tank

[vagrant fox]

destroy all T-26s the only good one is a wrecked one

[fervent geode]

the 8th route army which was most PLA iirc were a guerilla force

[crystal forum]

tall fin trying to fit inside a metal coffin

[fervent geode]

tbh the best shit we had was prob the stolen otsus and type 89s

[hollow lantern]

nothing i love more than removing 400 point tank with an 85 point option tbh

[crystal forum]

idk USSR still wanted it so im guessing it has some value

[fervent geode]

strategic value

[crystal forum]

russia is so weird like it's 90% worthless land

[shadow plover]

mostly that, access to the baltic sea

[fervent geode]

like defensive positions for leningrad/ petrograd

[arctic talon]

you can steal the type 89 from the japanese

[fervent geode]

if not the finns could walk into winter palace

[shadow plover]

not giving us access to the arctic sea

[arctic talon]

as the PLA or NRA

[fervent geode]

realistic and based

[crystal forum]

what was their plan anyways

[arctic talon]

its like awful

but like

hey you can run it if you want to

[fervent geode]

its a tank

[crystal forum]

did they just want to integrate all of finland

[shadow plover]

it's a good trading route and depriving us of it did some damage I reckon

[crystal forum]

but finland was some tiny country

[fervent geode]

they wanted easier passage to murmansk iirc but i think the finn would know better

[crystal forum]

economy wise

why bother

[fervent geode]

a tiny anti communist country

on the doorstep

[crystal forum]

was it anti communist

[fervent geode]

very

they had a civil war to out the commies in 1919 iirc

[crystal forum]

ah

[fervent geode]

and mannerheim the leader was a nobleman and shit, so not very communist friendly

[winged jacinth]

Finland and russia have old history

[fervent geode]

so yeah scary for senor stalin

[hollow lantern]

Germany could've picked up a lot of russian anti communists if they weren't deeply racist against Slavic people iirc

[fervent geode]

they did regardless funnily enough

there were galician, belarusian and even russian ss detachments

[hollow lantern]

That i did know

Cause of ba actually

[winged jacinth]

If germany wasnt run by insane genocidal people they'd probably have had more friends yeah

[hollow lantern]

You can run foreign SS units

[fervent geode]

defectors from the red army and local police, exiles and emigres, disgruntled mofos and racists

[hollow lantern]

Like french, russian, and a few others

[crystal forum]

funny thing is foreign SS were conscripted and forced sometimes

so a lot of them didnt get trialed afterwards

[fervent geode]

ye lmao, the ss for a xenophobic ass group were kinda multinational;

[fervent geode]

yk estonian ss were guards at nuremburg iirc

they didnt give a shit about nazism just hated soviets

and they didnt have a high chance of beating up the nazi convicts lmao

[crystal forum]

also contributes to bad combat performance of SS when a bunch of them were press ganged foreigners

[fervent geode]

defo

turkestan ss comes to mind

[arctic talon]

if Nazi Germany was not Nazi Germany they could have done better

every argument on their performance in WW2 ever

[fervent geode]

they were idiotically inefficient

[hollow lantern]

Lmfao real

[vagrant fox]

but something something albert speer

[winged jacinth]

Occupy stalingrad dont seige it

[crystal forum]

i still dont get why SS are seen as this cool special forces elite unit by some people

[fervent geode]

speer was dumbass, hindenburg and the junkers shouldve ousted him from the beginning if they were any smarter

[crystal forum]

like yeah they were fanatical but not some elite super unit

[fervent geode]

there were good foreign ss who were volunteers and shit, but yeah most were ass

[crystal forum]

and they got good gear

but that doesnt make them elite

[winged jacinth]

I thought the SS were extra armed police mostly

[crystal forum]

just well supplied

[crystal forum]

they were paramilitary foremost so they were used as hitler's personal army

[fervent geode]

the only ss commander who had actual officer training was like Paul Hausser or smth

[fervent geode]

closer to gestapo, who were interlinked with them

[winged jacinth]

Ah makes sense that they'd have been used both for internal and external purposes then

[fervent geode]

they were a gang of fanatical murderers and killers, not really good soldier material compared to actual military formations

[arctic talon]

pop culture

[vagrant fox]

Well they had those weird SS-Junker schools but I'm not sure if they did much, I haven't read into it. Or most things SS really

[opaque coyote]

I think the Waffen-SS is generally what most people think of for that specific portion.

While they were some conscripts, a majority were from Germany.

[crystal forum]

depends which point in the war

[winged jacinth]

The SS got caught up in the central leadership madness as i understand it, including the mysticism and shit lol

[fervent geode]

iirc those were more ideological and doctrinary than actual military training, although there was prob some tactics taught too

[fervent geode]

depends on who in the ss

there were absolute nutjobs

[jade holly]

Yeah wasn’t WW2 Germany mainly split between the SS and the Wehrmacht?

[crystal forum]

they were like specifically chosen for being psycho racists

[fervent geode]

and more punch clock but equally evil fellas

[jade holly]

In terms of military

[fervent geode]

kinda, but the wehrmacht was all the heavy lifting

[winged jacinth]

WE GOTTA HELP HIMMLER FIND THE ANCIENT ALIEN TOMBS!

[opaque coyote]

True, but even at the end, I think a third were conscripts and the rest were natives.

[crystal forum]

SS was tiny compared to the werhmarcht

[jade holly]

Himmler vs Trazyn for an archaeological hunt

[fervent geode]

the waffen ss were more special fanatic nutcase forces (meh soldiers at best usually)

[winged jacinth]

Hes probably in the collection dude was a curiosity

[fervent geode]

dont be a failed chicken farmer

[jade holly]

Didn’t he want to make an entire knights of the round table too?

[opaque coyote]

The SS were just psychopaths.

But at least they had cool guns?

That's

That's it honestly

[fervent geode]

bro the wehrmacht had the same shit

[crystal forum]

i think the thing that helped the SS is that the got the best gear

[winged jacinth]

Extra willing to shoot civilians

[fervent geode]

the ss were ass, wehrmacht just got less of it

since the ss were closer to the political heart of the reich

[crystal forum]

didn't hitler specifically give the SS the best stuff

[fervent geode]

yeah

kinda

[opaque coyote]

They got some special ones.

The FG-42 for the Waffen Paratroopers.

[fervent geode]

oh yeah

[opaque coyote]

But yeah majority was just the same stuff

Just better quality than the Wehrmacht

[fervent geode]

the idiots who bungled crete iirc, or was that just normal fallschirmjagers?

[opaque coyote]

And then the "People's Storm" got what was left

[crystal forum]

i think it was normal paratroopers iirc

[opaque coyote]

Those poor bastards

[fervent geode]

volkssturm (aka send a bunch of kids, women and oldies to die)

[jade holly]

There’s one guy in the Wehrmacht I’m still trying to figure out in terms of how he viewed Germany as a whole: Rommel. I thought I knew what he was about but recent stuff got me confused again

[fervent geode]

yeah makes more sense earlier in the war and all

[crystal forum]

germany didnt use paratroopers often but barely any power did

[opaque coyote]

I think they had SS commanders

[fervent geode]

he was a professionalist general

[crystal forum]

when you think about it paratroopers are a very niche use

[fervent geode]

he was willing to serve whoever was in charge

[crystal forum]

america only got to use them like once

[fervent geode]

does that absolve him of guilt, well fuck no

but he wasnt one of the nutcases or ss men for what counts

[crystal forum]

which makes you wonder why america still trains paratroopers

as if normandy will happen again

[fervent geode]

in the end he took cyanide because he was caught saying he would serve a german government without hitler after the failed coup

[winged jacinth]

Unless its part of a sneaky op they're prone to getting shot in the air lol

[jade holly]

And wasn’t he maybe most likely part of a failed assassination attempt or was he just blamed for it?

[fervent geode]

he wasnt a part of it

[jade holly]

Ah

[fervent geode]

the coup was organised and he simply said ïll keep working, dgaf about regime change

[crystal forum]

it's more that when they land on the ground they're stuck in enemy territory and prone to getting killed immediately. they only work when deployed during a bigger offensive

[fervent geode]

he killed himself so his fam would be spared iirc

[jade holly]

I knew that part

[fervent geode]

what little honour of the old reichswehr remained died with him and von tresckow imo

stained and shattered and ruined by their cowardice

[crystal forum]

and like, america will never need to deploy paratroopers in the modern age realistically

so why tf are they still there

[winged jacinth]

That too, there's weird doctrinal uses for them but they're all basically "accomplish one thing really fast and hope that thing lets you be saved"

[fervent geode]

but it was laid to rest after the failed coup

[jade holly]

Honestly does any country with the tech we have?

[fervent geode]

not really

[crystal forum]

no lol

[fervent geode]

if you dont get svaed youre prob cooked too

[crystal forum]

especially since you need total air superiority to do paratroopers

not supremacy but close to it

[jade holly]

Not to mention how fucking risky a paratrooper deployment is

But that was already mentioned earlier

[winged jacinth]

America trains paratroopers because our army is largely designed to punch down lol

[fervent geode]

arnheim was a shithsow showing how bad it goes if you cock it up

so very bad\

[winged jacinth]

They make a lot more sense when you don't take the enemy seriously

[jade holly]

Stuck behind enemy lines with no help, no communication

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's clearly served us well

[jade holly]

No way out

[fervent geode]

ur fucked basically

[crystal forum]

but that's the thing you don't use paratroopers for fast wars because the front is moving on its own without the need to sacrifice your paratroopers

[winged jacinth]

I didn't say our army had great doctrine lol

[crystal forum]

especially when your opponent can't fight back

[opaque coyote]

True.

Tbf it works for non-guerilla tactics.

It doesn't work for guerilla tactics.

[fervent geode]

ironically after normandy and arnheim most para was used as regular infantry

[opaque coyote]

So... a majority of our troubles

[fervent geode]

iirc its happening to the vdv in ukraine too

[crystal forum]

special forces are like modern paratroopers in a sense. they do it better even

[fervent geode]

yep

[crystal forum]

they get deployed with helicopters and shit

[crystal forum]

and they do a much better job at being independent

[fervent geode]

alot of para fought at the bulge/ardennes, with no para involved

[crystal forum]

yeah after normandy america's paratroopers just became normal troops lol

[jade holly]

The bulge is referring to that one spot in tbe Marginot line right?

[winged jacinth]

There's tradeoffs with helicopter deployment but yeah they're generally superior for anything you'd use paratroopers for because they come with CAS

[fervent geode]

one spot on the germano belgian border

[jade holly]

Ah

My WW2 knowledge is rusty

[fervent geode]

hitler wanted to try to pull another encirclement because he was fucked

[crystal forum]

it's just that smaller teams of special forces are better at the job of infiltrating and disruption. in fact it's what america does already

[fervent geode]

alot of high command said herr fuhrer u jackass iirc but he did it anyway

[winged jacinth]

And you can just train your helicopter special forces to also do jumps if you need it

[fervent geode]

so yeah bulge happened, it went ok at first and it backfired later on

[jade holly]

Wait until jetpacks becomes a common tool

[crystal forum]

special forces can be deployed quickly without needing like 500 people parashooting in the open air

[jade holly]

Then that’s when the paratroopers get funky

[winged jacinth]

Like i think SEALs get HALO jump trained?

[crystal forum]

and special forces can blend in with local populations and shit

[fervent geode]

visible target for aa guns now that i think about it

[crystal forum]

you think? lol imagine with drones

[jade holly]

So basically paratroopers of old were meant to be stealth operatives dropped in way in advance

[fervent geode]

i was thinking ww2 but yeah now

its free food

[crystal forum]

blown up by FPV drone as you're falling

[fervent geode]

spearheads more like kinda, jump in, ambush, hold, pray to god the backup gets there

[jade holly]

Is it a war crime to shoot someone who’s deployed a parachute?

[crystal forum]

no

[fervent geode]

ts is why the VDV is on foot lmao

[crystal forum]

why would it be

it's an active combatant

[jade holly]

I honestly thought it was

[heady rivet]

Pilots yes, paratroopers no

[fervent geode]

nope, you could shoot back

technically at least

but yeah different story for flyboys

[arctic talon]

no, they're an active combatant

the same way shooting at someone whos retreating is allowed

if they have not surrendered they're a viable target

[jade holly]

But if they surrender then it’s a no no

[arctic talon]

same reason as why civllians in military instalations is also

A-okay

they're a valid target

[crystal forum]

rules of war are mostly about non combatants

[jade holly]

What about medics

[arctic talon]

yeah

Medics are not allowed bcs they're non combatants

[crystal forum]

medics are complicated in the modern day

[arctic talon]

but uh

[crystal forum]

because they often have guns

[arctic talon]

yeah that 💀

medics often are armed nowadays

used to be in the past they were always unarmed but uh

yeah

[crystal forum]

and they dont signal the fact that they're medics because you get sniped that way

[jade holly]

I guess it’s don’t shoot a medic unless they shoot you

Or something

[fervent geode]

thats usually the drill

but not in practice afaik

[opaque coyote]

War Crimes!!

[fervent geode]

because they will use those guns

[arctic talon]

there's a lot of things that get labled as "warcrimes" by news

that aren't warcrimes

[crystal forum]

also war crimes dont mean anything unless they're actually enforced, like real laws

[arctic talon]

despite being like

awful things

yeah that also

[crystal forum]

a lot of war laws are just ignored when convenient

[arctic talon]

There's like, a bunch of dif warcrimes happening in several warzones

rn 💀

[fervent geode]

sudan, ukraine, yemen, myanmar

lotsa active combat zones rn

[arctic talon]

Sudan is fucking grim

[heady rivet]

The Kriegsmarine in WW2 largely got off scot-free because everything they got charged with was done by the Allies first, more often, and they didnt want to set the precedent it was something bad

[opaque coyote]

White Phosphorus moment.

"Trust me, it isn't used to burn people alive. It's used to uh... light up the area!"

[arctic talon]

its basicially over and just an ethnic cleansing now

[crystal forum]

i saw some russian bots claiming that ukraine is doing war crimes by using depleted uranium rounds because it's a nuclear weapon lmao

[arctic talon]

thats

not a war crime

[fervent geode]

things are getting spicier between thailand and cambodia too, see if we have some war there

[crystal forum]

it's also not a nuclear weapon

[arctic talon]

Ukraine has done warcrimes regarding drone stuff/non combatants 💀 but like

so has Russia

they're just war criming each other

[crystal forum]

it's silly to expect war to be clean

[arctic talon]

not that anyones going to enforce that

[crystal forum]

war is just bad

[fervent geode]

the darfur is seeing hell, like bashir's times never ended

war is hell

its sweet to those who know it not as pindar once said

[arctic talon]

yeeeeeeeep

[arctic talon]

do we consider the afghani pakistan boarder

[fervent geode]

but humans keep doing war so here we are

[arctic talon]

bcs the Pakistani military is shelling Al Qaeda 💀

[fervent geode]

i mean there have been low level engagements there since the 70s iirc

pakistani military has shelled the border lots of times

the khyber pass is still wild country in some places

baloch insurgents, sindhi insurgents

its a very hot zone

[arctic talon]

do we count the Mexican drug war as an active war 💀

[fervent geode]

uhhhh

[arctic talon]

between the Mexican and other gov. vs the cartels

[fervent geode]

then we'd have to count all drug wars

[arctic talon]

I know the current mexican president is softer on the cartels

[crystal forum]

as if the gov isn't in on it

[fervent geode]

which there are many

they coexist in a corrupt symbiosis

[crystal forum]

i don't count it as a war because it's not an actual nation fighting another one

[arctic talon]

fair

[fervent geode]

yeah i agree with femjay

[arctic talon]

is the new provisinal Syrian government at peace yet

[fervent geode]

kinda?

[arctic talon]

or are they still clamping down on Hezbollah/loyalists

[fervent geode]

theyve held elections iirc

[arctic talon]

neat

good for them

[fervent geode]

well uh

[heady rivet]

Kind of amazing how time and time again we see that "Soft on crime" policies just create a population of normal citizens that think the average criminal should face public firing squads. Judicial slavery won the vote in California when NOBODY campaigned in favor of it

[fervent geode]

loyalists and hezbollah and isis are still hanging on in some places

[arctic talon]

sounds about right

[fervent geode]

but yeah syria is mostly healing afaik

like the big cities are safe again

[arctic talon]

good for them

hopefully Syria recovers properly

and doesn't yknow implode or explode

[jade holly]

Speaking of things, the Hell’s going on in Iran?

[fervent geode]

yeah its good after so long

[crystal forum]

the middle east will only be safe when major powers stop messing with it

[fervent geode]

big protests

like happens every once in a while

internet got shut down

the gov keeps clamping so the people keep rising basically

[heady rivet]

If Israel were Shia Muslims it would have been destroyed by the gulf states within a week inshallah

[crystal forum]

literally everybody hates iran im surprised the country is still an entity lol

[arctic talon]

Rioting, protests

[arctic talon]

I hate how you're correct 💀

[fervent geode]

last time it was the mahsa amini killing, now its the shit mismanaged economy

[fervent geode]

too big to die i guess

[arctic talon]

Iran's government has partially fled

the country

[crystal forum]

israel just casually bombing iran

[arctic talon]

this time seems worse

[fervent geode]

5th biggest army in the world in 1979 iirc

[arctic talon]

but wtf do I know

Iran, Isreal and the US bombing each other

but warning each other ahead of time

💀

[crystal forum]

israel could bomb the UAE and people would still ignore it

maybe not

[arctic talon]

probably not

lol

[fervent geode]

oh really now? damn we will see if this heats up

[vagrant fox]

they'd have it coming because my old maths teacher would glaze that place

[fervent geode]

i mean going from a mostly pariah state to the burj khalifa is a little much

[crystal forum]

if somebody glazes the UAE they have issues

[arctic talon]

Yeah, they're burning down buildings + the government has partially fled + has moved some stuff out

[fervent geode]

oh my english teacher did that

[arctic talon]

the police/military don't seem as uh

interventional

this time

[crystal forum]

dubai chocolate eating as

[arctic talon]

could just be a delayed response

[fervent geode]

she wasnt malicious, she just had no idea bout the uae whole foreign worker slavery

[arctic talon]

who tf knows

[fervent geode]

this seems crazy

[vagrant fox]

My maths teacher didn't give a shit he just liked how rich it was

[fervent geode]

i wonder if we get any regime change as unlikely as it seems

[fervent geode]

that is... a very straightforward person to say the least

[crystal forum]

im more interested in wtf the US will do with venezuela now

[fervent geode]

oh yeah that too

[crystal forum]

like will it keep destroying random boats

[arctic talon]

its still Maduro's government in power

as well

[fervent geode]

it seems like nothing for now????

[arctic talon]

so like

???????

[fervent geode]

delcy is still alive

[arctic talon]

I don't even know what the point of it was

[jade holly]

Hopium says keep whatever’s left of Maduro’s boys from making moves as elections come in. But we know that’s not happening lmao

[arctic talon]

I mean

Maduro has basically rigged the election

the past couple years

[crystal forum]

he's gone now

[arctic talon]

his cabinet is likely to do the same

I'm ngl

[fervent geode]

no reason for his guys to not just rig it again

[arctic talon]

They have a clear line of sucession

[crystal forum]

maybe they'll he incompetent we'll see

[fervent geode]

maybe

[heady rivet]

Apparently the VP (Now P) is working with the US?

[crystal forum]

i wonder what the US will do to him though

like will he end up dead

[arctic talon]

she hates the US though 💀

I'm ngl

[crystal forum]

or in guantanamo

[arctic talon]

nothing will happen to Maduro

[fervent geode]

this is funny as shit if true but i doubt it

[arctic talon]

he's going to go to prison for like 3 years

and then get freed

[crystal forum]

he might end up in guatanamo

[arctic talon]

like what happened with Panama's president

with Bush

[fervent geode]

oh yeah noriega

[heady rivet]

Delcy Rodriguez, the VP. That lady

[crystal forum]

the feds are treating him like bin laden wolf

like he's the biggest drug cartel leader

[fervent geode]

so many AI photos of him rn

[arctic talon]

They also treated Noriega like he was like

some sort of criminal mastermind

[fervent geode]

cant tell whats actually cooking with him

[crystal forum]

idk why i even care

but everybody deserves rights

[arctic talon]

no shit

he's a piece of shit dictator

[fervent geode]

i mean he was kinda a military dictator but still ye

[crystal forum]

i hope he wont just get found dead

[arctic talon]

but the US shouldn't have invaded venezuela, killed a bunch of people as collateral and kidnap him

[fervent geode]

true enough, and i doubt theyll oof him anyway

[jade holly]

Personally I follow the idea of “don’t stress over what you can’t control” whatever happens is what happens

It’s out of our hands

[fervent geode]

true enough

i just hope this doesnt embolden china to grab lai ching te

[arctic talon]

💀

[fervent geode]

god wed be fucked

[arctic talon]

Xi gave his usual speech this year

again

[crystal forum]

china is just sitting back and waiting for this dumpster fire to stop

[jade holly]

I like calling China West Taiwan

[fervent geode]

same as every year

[jade holly]

See how they like it

[crystal forum]

i dont think china will risk anything rn

since america is burning itself

[arctic talon]

I don't want Taiwan to be invaded beyond the obvious reason bcs a large chunk of my extended family lives there 💀

[fervent geode]

tbh most of us dont give a hoot about the mainland anymore lmao, its mostly making them mad

[crystal forum]

*mainland taiwan

[arctic talon]

yeah

[fervent geode]

makes sense

[arctic talon]

DPP moment

lol

[fervent geode]

oh yeah, hope nothing happens

[crystal forum]

taiwan cannot tactically be invaded it straight up cannot work

[fervent geode]

basically lmao

[crystal forum]

strategically too it's almost impossible

[fervent geode]

its very hard because japan and sk will help us

[arctic talon]

Also the fact that invading an island nation

[fervent geode]

and also kinmen would have to attacked first

[arctic talon]

with a jungle on it

sucks

[fervent geode]

so yeah we'd know

[storm jungle]

Love the venezuelans celebrating on the streets having no idea whats gonna happen to them eventually lol

[crystal forum]

it would be a full naval invasion which itself is just insanely difficult but also the entire island is rigged to be used as a bunker. taiwan is straight up unwinnable in a war

[vagrant fox]

impenetrable wall of type 64s (the taiwanese thing with the hellcat turret) will defeat anything it's true

[arctic talon]

the venezuelans in venezuela celebrating are weird bcs like, your government didn't change 💀

and now the US might just fucking take control of you

like ????

[fervent geode]

i hope your wrong but i know you will be right prob either way lmao

[fervent geode]

yeah, but still

[storm jungle]

I have a venezuelan friend that literally said this yeah, the corruption/people that put Maduro in power is still present

[fervent geode]

my grandad says china wont

[jade holly]

Whatever the case, the dominos have been set for whatever happens next

[arctic talon]

500 black jets of Chiang Kai Shek will blot out the sky and destroy the CCP

[storm jungle]

US thinks they cut the head of the snake not realising the body was the real issue lol

[arctic talon]

my grandparents also say china won't lol

[fervent geode]

god i hope he's right

[fervent geode]

zamn, lmao all used to nothing ever happens

[crystal forum]

it would just not be possible for china to win by conquest. it's the reason why china hasn't tried taking taiwan in the past decades already, it's just not militarily feasible

[opaque coyote]

Tbh America is currently like a wild animal at this moment.

Maybe it's influenced by Putin but I don't know how the fuck stealing his Oil Tanker was in his plans

[arctic talon]

Also they'd ruin the chip fabs

which they want intact

[fervent geode]

it was dumb

[opaque coyote]

I think we're just unpredictable at this moment given Dementia Donny

[fervent geode]

tsmc going down would be catastrophic

[crystal forum]

trust me if china thought they could take taiwan they would

[arctic talon]

TSMC going down, global tech industry fucking implodes

💀

[fervent geode]

true that, we would make it hell too

[storm jungle]

its how the US has always operated

they thought killing Bin Laden, Saddam etc would fix everything

[jade holly]

The second they even send a boat over they know they got nearly all of SEA, the US and UN looking at them lol

[fervent geode]

i think even he has no idea what the fuck is happening

[storm jungle]

it just made everything worst

lmao

[fervent geode]

PR basically

keeps big man elected

[storm jungle]

yep its all for political points

[arctic talon]

my GOAT of mass produced beer

[jade holly]

China isn’t invading for the chips, they want the beer

[arctic talon]

LOL

[crystal forum]

now on the other hand can china convince the younger taiwanese to join or some shit

[arctic talon]

prolly the whisky industry

[fervent geode]

true that, people love our uh beer and microchips

[crystal forum]

idk im not from taiwan

[arctic talon]

no lol

[vagrant fox]

Makes sense, tsingtao beer alone isn't enough

[crystal forum]

give it 50 years

[fervent geode]

most people i know, yk they fucking hate china

[arctic talon]

based off of social media that I absorb + people I know

no

[fervent geode]

maybe in 50 years

[arctic talon]

not this generation

[fervent geode]

but i dont see it yet

[arctic talon]

maybe the next one

but probably not

[fervent geode]

at all

[jade holly]

If I had to join chaos, isn’t Khorne the most honest?

[crystal forum]

china might take the USSR playbook and do it slowly

[fervent geode]

eh nurgle imo

[jade holly]

he’ll just let me do whatever I want as long as I let the blood flow?

[arctic talon]

cultural osmosis is a thing but the CCP is hated in Taiwan

[vagrant fox]

Khorne has got your back buddy just go absolutely bananas and decapitate someone

[winged jacinth]

Nurgle is a gaslighter

[fervent geode]

true that, but independence if becoming more popular

[arctic talon]

and yeah

Taiwanese independent is popular

[winged jacinth]

Khorne is a simple guy with simple hobbies

[storm jungle]

Literally every chaos god suffers from the same issues

[arctic talon]

way more popular

[storm jungle]

theres no loyalty

[arctic talon]

among the young

[fervent geode]

we have been our own thing for like what 70 years

[storm jungle]

theres no honesty

its just stabbing each other to be on the top

[arctic talon]

the KMT is becoming less and less popular among younger people

[storm jungle]

lmao

[arctic talon]

for a reason

[jade holly]

Well at least Khorne is kind enough to stab me in the face and not the back

[vagrant fox]

The main thing that worries me about Taiwan is how things went down in Hong Kong but it's not really the same situation

[storm jungle]

Yeah downside is you still die lol

also the facestab depends on what khorne follower it is

[jade holly]

At least this way I expect it lmao

[storm jungle]

I mean no you cant

[arctic talon]

Taiwan isn't like Hong Kong where its to "be returned to China"

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

and has ties to the chinese government already

[storm jungle]

chaos champs always betray each other

[fervent geode]

the KMT is party of old folks afaik and even some of them are tired, not to mention cheng li wun is braindead

[crystal forum]

they could also find a way to divide the country to weaken it

[fervent geode]

maybe

[arctic talon]

I mean

yeah? but it hasn't worked

lol

[fervent geode]

but i cant see it

[arctic talon]

for the past like

70+ years

[vagrant fox]

Yeah not really the same as I said. It's just how everything got coopted and any opposition seems(?) to have vanished

[crystal forum]

yeah but taiwan didnt have free speech for like most of that lol

[winged jacinth]

Hong kong was weird but it was weird because of the British not a rival chinese government in exile which is pretty important

[fervent geode]

no two system one country crap plz

[fervent geode]

uh

we were a dictatorship

[crystal forum]

thats what im saying

there was no discourse

[fervent geode]

until lee teng hui did some elections

[arctic talon]

yeah

[crystal forum]

with discourse comes disagreeing and shit

[fervent geode]

but we had an underground independence movement that got put down

[opaque coyote]

It's like working in late stage capitalism.

Every action you take to enrich yourself indirectly enriches another person who's even higher on the totem pole.

With increasing paranoia as you climb up the ladder. As more and more people thirst over your position of power.

[jade holly]

Are there Heldrake models?

[arctic talon]

Chiang Ching-kuo started the whole transtion away from a dictatorship

[fervent geode]

and uh cck was better than cks

[arctic talon]

and then Lee Teng Hui pretty much finalized it

[fervent geode]

yep

[storm jungle]

Upside you can actually kill the people you dont like

[crystal forum]

what motivated them to do it

[fervent geode]

lee teng hui was a traitor to the kmt lmao

[jade holly]

Might get 1-2 of those whenever I make my IW army

[storm jungle]

IRL you send them to jail and they do 2 months and get out

[arctic talon]

because they didn't want violent revolution

[fervent geode]

he was never one of them

[jade holly]

Get a Lord of Skulls, Vashtorr

[arctic talon]

yeah that also LOL

[jade holly]

Some other fun stuff

[arctic talon]

Lee Teng Hui wasn't from the mainland

[fervent geode]

sounds cool

[crystal forum]

lol so it's never good intentions

[arctic talon]

I mean it led to a functioning democracy

so

[fervent geode]

lee teng hui fucking fought for japan in ww2 lmao he had no loyalty to going home or some shit

[storm jungle]

WW2 Japan has to be one of the most comedically and non-morally evil factions ive seen in history ngl

up there with the Imperial Russian Army

[vagrant fox]

Reminds me of my old Taiwanese pal who was a quarter Japanese who gave no singular shits about the mainland

[arctic talon]

I mean

there's a lot of taiwanese people like that

you ahve to remember

the KMT were the minority

in Taiwan lol

[fervent geode]

eh good intentions can lead to bad shit, this guy at least gave us a good democracy

[crystal forum]

yeah you dont see people doing apologetics for japan like they do for germany

[fervent geode]

they make the russians look like human rights party

[arctic talon]

there was already a large population of people there

from the past

[fervent geode]

we were separate from the mainland for a lot of history

[storm jungle]

: )

[crisp heath]

I cannot imagine an enormous contemptor dreadnought JUMPING towards with with an enormous jump pack

https://tenor.com/bJYi1.gif

[crystal forum]

just proves that this stuff only happens when governments are forced by the people

[arctic talon]

yeah

[vagrant fox]

It's always the Blood Angels with these things

[fervent geode]

most dgaf, we have never been there, never seen there, we have our own culture too from native and jap influence

[opaque coyote]

True.

Downside is that similar to real life.

The chances are low that you'll actually pull it off.

[fervent geode]

eh yeah basically

[arctic talon]

Taiwans culture is def distinict from mainland china nowadays

there's some similar stuff, but there's also a lot of unique stuff

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1458483379686080532/wawawawawawawawawawawawawawa_bnuy.gif

[vagrant fox]

I've learnt as much since, it was just surprising as a teen for no really good reason

[crystal forum]

how do taiwanese feel about hong kong

[fervent geode]

we didnt have the cultural revolution for one

[arctic talon]

taiwan national museum W

[crisp heath]

thats why theyre my second favorite legion

[fervent geode]

sympathetic from what ive seen

[fervent geode]

fr

[crystal forum]

really lame what happened to hong kong man

[fervent geode]

like that couldve been us

bro the last opposition was forced to close a while back

[crystal forum]

all those protesters just stopped existing as people

[fervent geode]

imagine if we ate china's fuckin two system shit

[arctic talon]

the national palace museum has shit the CCP really wants for their own museum LOL

[crisp heath]

also holy fuck what

i cannot imagine this to be useful enough to be mass produced
what do you mean TITAN JUMP PACKS??

[fervent geode]

things would not be peachy

[storm jungle]

Always was gonna be the case

[arctic talon]

funny cabbage

[storm jungle]

people dont care about "unimportant country" events

[arctic talon]

my beloved

[storm jungle]

the US could invade the entirety of south america and nobody would bat an eye lol

[fervent geode]

tbf the red guards wouldve blown em up if chiang didnt grab it all

[arctic talon]

yeah

no

[vagrant fox]

I wonder if it's true that a ton of Hong Kongers moved to the UK after that whole debacle

[fervent geode]

almost yeah

[arctic talon]

something something CCP 70% right 30% wrong

[crystal forum]

the balls to protest when you know you'll be unpersoned

[crisp heath]

please dont give the us ideas im just chilling dude

[arctic talon]

China calling the Cultural revolution a mistake

lol

[fervent geode]

i mean theyve changed and defo done some impressive shit

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

"Give them ideas", they already said this publicly bro 💀

[arctic talon]

but its funny seeing how that policy on Mao has never changed

despite them saying more and more shit he did was wrong

[fervent geode]

big leader yk

[crisp heath]

they havent mentioned brazil yet

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

trump babbling about how he'll invade chilis

[fervent geode]

chile

srsly

bro what is don on

[vagrant fox]

163k+ moved to the UK apparently. That's quite a few. Wack

[crystal forum]

idk he said a bunch of random countries

[jade holly]

Apparently Trump wants to ban Wall Street from buying houses

The Hell does that mean?

[arctic talon]

actual good decision

holy shit

[fervent geode]

yeah its kinda sad

[crisp heath]

is he in a dementia induced psychosis?

[arctic talon]

kill realestate as investment

[jade holly]

I just saw that news headline earlier today in my YT feed

[arctic talon]

tldr companies cannot buy real estate or land to "invest" or speculate on

which is a good thing

its a plague

in every country

[fervent geode]

i mean this is strange coming from him

[arctic talon]

it is strange coming from him

because his COMPANY FUCKING DOES IT

lol

[fervent geode]

he truly is unpredictable, idk what the fuck is cooking in his mind

[crisp heath]

"please please its too much winning!"

[fervent geode]

its something

[arctic talon]

there isn't anything cooking in his mind

he's kind of just

blabbing

whatever comes to his mind

[fervent geode]

sounds like it

[opaque coyote]

Dementia

[crystal forum]

im 1000% confident it's from the biden admin and it only got around to congress now

[winged jacinth]

He probably randomly thought of it and will walk it back the moment someone explains yeah

[jade holly]

I’ve learned that trying to understand Trump is to invite madness into yourself

[arctic talon]

I could understand his first term

[opaque coyote]

The three fingers

[arctic talon]

his second term is like

[fervent geode]

dementia, insanity, thinking's he's still a liberal democrat

[arctic talon]

💀

[storm jungle]

I use him sometimes to write planetary governors in homebrew

[winged jacinth]

Blackrock will show up with a set of golden living room furniture

[opaque coyote]

Again genuinely I think it's dementia

[vagrant fox]

I don't get the USA man, it's like bizarroworld over there

[arctic talon]

Lord helmwar

[opaque coyote]

He got all of the signs

[storm jungle]

Helmawr is actually competent

[arctic talon]

Helmwar was based on Trump before he got elected

[storm jungle]

and is like a cunning cunt

[crystal forum]

also remember that his voterbase is a bunch of home owning boomers

[jade holly]

How many centerpieces is an army is considered a bad idea?

[fervent geode]

bro those are kinda crazy even by planetary govnuh syndrome

[arctic talon]

/j

[arctic talon]

depends on the army

[crisp heath]

maybe chaos madness induced governors

[fervent geode]

why did america have 2 old men in a row cmon

[jade holly]

Heldrakes are so cool

[arctic talon]

I'm curious @fervent geode do you know 臺語

or nah

[fervent geode]

like people were making fun of biden and those people elected trump

[fervent geode]

mine is ass

[arctic talon]

Biden did like

nothing

[opaque coyote]

I have no fucking clue.

[fervent geode]

too long in malaysia

[jade holly]

Can I kitbash a Heldrake to have a Warpsmith ride one?

[crystal forum]

the average american voter is barely sentient

[fervent geode]

im gonna go back soon

[arctic talon]

I can understand it, I can barely speak it despite my dad and grandparents best attempts at teaching me to speak it properly

[opaque coyote]

Sleepy Joe.

Both for him and the fact that I could fucking sleep at night without dreading the news

[fervent geode]

oh shit this is almost me

[storm jungle]

Literal super-earth tier brainwashing

[opaque coyote]

Me fr

[crystal forum]

we libmaxxing our free market

[arctic talon]

I know 國語 fine lol

[opaque coyote]

Fuck Super Earth, it's straight up Imperium tier at times

[arctic talon]

do you know Hokkien? or mandarin

[fervent geode]

i picked up the malaysian dialects for both

[opaque coyote]

Mandarin

[arctic talon]

based??????

I forgot they spoke Hokkien in Malaysia

I'm ngl

I thought it was Hakka mostly for the non mandarin chinese language

[storm jungle]

NOOO IT HAS NO AUDIO

[fervent geode]

its a lot of hokkien surprisingly

[arctic talon]

neat

[jade holly]

lol

Lmao even

[fervent geode]

like in some places even native malays speak it

[arctic talon]

huh

[fervent geode]

but like its not taigi

[arctic talon]

thats

[fervent geode]

at all

[arctic talon]

weird

really cool

[fervent geode]

yeah osmosis

[crystal forum]

shame

[arctic talon]

Cultural osmosis is funny

[crystal forum]

osmosis jones

[heady rivet]

PEAK MENTIONED

[fervent geode]

my mandarin is worse than my hokkien, i should probably go back and study again

[arctic talon]

oh yeah did I ever tell you how my grandparents on my moms side were only okay with my mom marrying my dad because he was Taiwanese and not from the mainland lol

[fervent geode]

damn lamo

[jade holly]

If Perty ever gets a model will he play like a charging tank monster or would he sit back more as a command support?

[fervent geode]

sounds about right

for oldies

[crystal forum]

i love madarins

[arctic talon]

"oh so he's one of the good ones"
-paraphrasing my grandma on my moms side

💀

she's still kind of very racist

[fervent geode]

oh its kinda

[crystal forum]

i should learn mandarin to survive the chinese century

[fervent geode]

uh normal

[arctic talon]

Japan moment

[fervent geode]

my gramps too

[crystal forum]

or get a chinese bf

maybe

[arctic talon]

mandarin isn't that bad to learn

but maybe thats due to my exposure

to it lol

[heady rivet]

Him doing this to an Iron Warrior

[fervent geode]

welcome to the century of yk

xiaolongbao

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/american-century-humiliation-american-century-of-humiliation-gif-5949110145184021899

[crystal forum]

im slowly learning chinese memes

[jade holly]

The Golden Arches remain

[crystal forum]

like the panda guy

the panda uh emoji

[fervent geode]

i mean coming from someone who speaks english at home i only made progress when i forced my parents to speak to me in it

and that lasted two weeks

[crystal forum]

also i learned from cs2 that chinese love red

[arctic talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1041221988787683328/1455344167369576478/andrewthink.gif?ex=69623a20&is=6960e8a0&hm=2c9a296dab7372937345ff12305f2b0e73db63dbe29b76ed8d5113d7a365bba5&

[fervent geode]

uh its seen as good

red and gold

[arctic talon]

yeah fair enough

[crystal forum]

a whole realm of memes i have yet to learn

[arctic talon]

exposure does wonders

tbh

[fervent geode]

yeah you learn from speaking really

reading and writing is another beast but yeah

[plush mason]

the worst part is, America started this century of humiliation on its own volition

[crisp heath]

this is pretty much how i picture how the first step of servitorization happens

[fervent geode]

i blame britain

[crisp heath]

but the people are wearing red robes

[lament shoal]

"Do you realize? "Do, you, realize?"

[fervent geode]

for kicking us in the first place

but what would i know ig

[plush mason]

nah it was all us

[vagrant fox]

Gotta learn for when we migrate to chinanet

[fervent geode]

like it was a century ago lmao

[storm jungle]

its uhhh

its a lot worse

[arctic talon]

get the flesh and steel passage

[fervent geode]

true that

[arctic talon]

its time

[storm jungle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/jqvjvs/excerptflesh_steel_behindthescenes_tour_of_an/

[heady rivet]

"if the Imperial Fists attacked this fortress, we'd have to move planets?"

[storm jungle]

[fervent geode]

nah wed die

[crystal forum]

i'd servitor myself

i dont like thinking

[vagrant fox]

missus kind of a post, downvoted

[jade holly]

It can’t be that ba-

[crisp heath]

alright let me read this rq

[opaque coyote]

Had to show this to my dad.

Apparently means something akin to "Fabulous brother!"

[crystal forum]

deep cut

[opaque coyote]

Or "That's great, brother"

[vagrant fox]

I want to destroy Black Library for not publishing more crime

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-grin-evil-evil-smile-devious-gif-6415346156262007236

[fervent geode]

big agree

[lament shoal]

I don't even need to read this to know its likely very horrific lol

[vagrant fox]

More or less as I understood it

[opaque coyote]

So I think it's probably something similar to "great story bro"

[storm jungle]

Read it. Its harrowing.

[plush mason]

more crime more horror

[opaque coyote]

Or "wow I ain't reading all of that"

[fervent geode]

yeah i think so, from an illiterate tho lmao

[jade holly]

I kind of really want a story of Anrakyr and Typhus both showing up to the same planet and an exchange of both combat and philosophy happens between the stagnation of the cycle of life and death and the cost of immortality

[fervent geode]

this is polpot good ending

[jade holly]

Cause ya know, they both have the epithet “The Traveler”

[crisp heath]

"Occasionally, one would let out an angry blare, and the indicator lumens would flash red. The rejected person was then swallowed up by a trapdoor opening beneath their feet."

https://tenor.com/bZdPf.gif

[crystal forum]

melanin bibliotheque

[storm jungle]

Legalize lobotomy.

[crystal forum]

legalize sodomy

[plush mason]

hell that worked for the Austrian

[fervent geode]

lobotomise people

[crystal forum]

why is the word sodomy

[fervent geode]

sodomy is already legal

[crystal forum]

what a funny word

[fervent geode]

because of sodom

[crystal forum]

but why

[fervent geode]

like apparently there were gays there or smth idk

[jade holly]

Sodomy sounds like something you do in a workshop class

[fervent geode]

and they were doing some bad stuff i guess????

[crystal forum]

you can still do sodomy as straight

[fervent geode]

and gommorahy sounds worse

oh wait

[crystal forum]

like it's not just guys who have buttholes

[jade holly]

What even is Sodomy?

[fervent geode]

i think it was woman or prostitutes doing it

[jade holly]

[fervent geode]

yeah like machiavelli got accused of it lmao

[crystal forum]

banal without the b

[jade holly]

I think I’m too innocent

[vagrant fox]

Meet the Feebles has permanently warped my perception of the word sodomy, what a banger of a tune though

[jade holly]

[fervent geode]

yeah

[crystal forum]

right?

[fervent geode]

its an old word

[crystal forum]

doesnt sound like it

[fervent geode]

sodomy sounds like

[jade holly]

It sounds like a word for fusing two sheets of metal together

[crisp heath]

so their limbs are taken by a big mechanical arm that breaks their bones, suspended spread eagle where they get washed with a chemical that makes them not grow hair anymore and then moved to another section where the process for lobotomization happens?

[fervent geode]

when you knock over your neighbours postbox

[crisp heath]

damn

[fervent geode]

like what a silly sod

[vagrant fox]

Oldass Hebrew just doesn't make sense to begin with so it makes sense

[plush mason]

its from the old testament, so tldr an event that might not have even happened over 2k years ago was used to justify persecution and discrimination of a minority group

[crystal forum]

i know what sodom is

[fervent geode]

bruh old ass hebrew

[crystal forum]

but why name it after it

[fervent geode]

idk

[storm jungle]

Yep, the protagonist steps off because he literally cannot bare watching it anymore lol

[fervent geode]

it was happening in sodom i guess

[crystal forum]

like you can't tell me people havent been putting stuff up their butt before the bible

[fervent geode]

the priest or whatever used to say like

[crystal forum]

it's a time ancient tradition

[fervent geode]

bad stuff was going down there

[jade holly]

Admech casually having one of the worst body horror in 40K

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1171648089292017694/1351732009885503538/cohort_takeover.gif

[crystal forum]

dilara what is your opinion of sodomy

[fervent geode]

we were kids he wasnt gonna talk about the sodomy so uh yeah i guess

[storm jungle]

Goofy ass procedure, if you dont wanna fuck women just stop it lmao

[vagrant fox]

Warhammer crime fucks, all the good stuff is in there. Dickin down daemons, body horror, flies out the wazoo. I want more

[crystal forum]

WOW ok

[storm jungle]

WAIT I JUST GOOGLED

[fervent geode]

bru

[storm jungle]

Its a sexual act???

[crystal forum]

lmao

[fervent geode]

yes

[crystal forum]

it's anal

[storm jungle]

i thought it was one where they chemically castrate you lmao

[fervent geode]

banal

uh

[jade holly]

I thought it was a thing you do with metal sheets lmao

[storm jungle]

WAIT yeah thats vasectomy i think

[fervent geode]

thats sterilisation

[crystal forum]

it's a very funny term

[storm jungle]

i mixed it up

[fervent geode]

like the people kind

[crystal forum]

LMAO

[jade holly]

I’ve never heard of that orchestral composition before

[crystal forum]

you thought sodomy was getting your balls nipped

[fervent geode]

like what phil kelly T'au do

[storm jungle]

😭

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-covering-mouth-stream-scary-speed-scared-gif-3435748839023247479

[crystal forum]

holy shit imagine messing that up in conversation

[fervent geode]

it would be

[vagrant fox]

Manual sex is a very funny term

[crisp heath]

Was curious on how the narrator would talk about the lobotomization procedure probably a servitor who goes there with a needle while they're still up and awake

[fervent geode]

catastrophic

[storm jungle]

[jade holly]

So are most servitors death row inmates, prisoners of war etc

[fervent geode]

can't wait for the automated version

[arctic talon]

read it, its deadass one of my favorite excerpts

[arctic talon]

Just prisoners the imperium has

[fervent geode]

usually iirc

[arctic talon]

lol

[crystal forum]

i prefer my sex automatic

[lament shoal]

Just did lol

[arctic talon]

Usually guilty of a crime worthy of execution

also some vat grown bodies

[storm jungle]

"Any several forms of sexual intercourse held to be unnatural"
Homosexuality

[arctic talon]

as well

[storm jungle]

😭

[arctic talon]

who are pregrown without like

a lot of brain

[vagrant fox]

true and medpilled wisdom

[arctic talon]

But vatgrown servitors are "higher quality"

often

[storm jungle]

Basically anyone

[arctic talon]

and used for more specific roles

[storm jungle]

people use the "vatborn" thing way too much

[crystal forum]

fucking a guy is the same as fucking an animal

does this mean guys are animals?

[arctic talon]

its rare

[storm jungle]

fuckers like Elite just cannot shut up about it

[arctic talon]

lol

mf'er

I SAID SOME

NOT MOST

[jade holly]

Little Timmy who called the funny robot guy in the red robes “weird” too?

[arctic talon]

I'LL KILL YOU

[arctic talon]

yes

[fervent geode]

uh prob??

[storm jungle]

You can literally get servitorized because a techpriest hates you

[fervent geode]

idk man

[storm jungle]

not even joking

[arctic talon]

^

[storm jungle]

lmao

[vagrant fox]

wolf finally snapping lets go

[crisp heath]

I hate the vatborn thing

NO, THE CHERUBS ARE NOT VATBORN- I WANT THE IMPERIUM TO LOBOTOMIZE BABIES

[fervent geode]

ask a guy

[crisp heath]

[storm jungle]

They still do, its just rare

[jade holly]

Fuck it, I servitorized my opps

[arctic talon]

the vast bulk of servitors

are from prisoners

or other people the mechanicus

deosn't want

lol

or finds annoying

or problematic

vatgrown servitors are expensive

no point in doing it

[vagrant fox]

I really wanted to make a techpriest for some RPG game who really liked organically sourced cherubs, stating them to be superior in build and character

[fervent geode]

im servitorising the maintenance guy - hadron probably

[arctic talon]

when you have a perfectly good menial

[jade holly]

If this is what Admech does

[crisp heath]

Oh I believe they still do that but it feels like GW just kinda washed the pure evil old Imperium lore did with "vatborn" excuse on thee kind of things

[crystal forum]

he's the admech guy he can't help himself

[jade holly]

Imagine Dark Mechanicus

[fervent geode]

oh

[arctic talon]

Cherubs were always mostly vatgrown from their introduction

[crystal forum]

i bet wolf is so happy that his usedname is red

[fervent geode]

just servitorise the slaves

yk we have alot of those

[arctic talon]

because GW were

COWARDS

LOBOTOMIZE BABIES

ALWAYS

[crystal forum]

dilara change his username color to green so he isn't admech

[arctic talon]

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[crisp heath]

My Dark Mechanicum OC (which I'm still on the process of writing and figuring it out) has done so much fucked shit

[lament shoal]

They already throw babies with genetic deviancies into furnaces

[arctic talon]

BABY FURNACE IS NOT ENOUGH

[crisp heath]

It is more efficient to lobotomize pre-existing babies

[arctic talon]

WE MUST HAVE PERFECTLY GOOD BABIES LOBOTOMIZED

okay jokes aside

[crystal forum]

i am offended by the idea that babies are good

[fervent geode]

this is what happens at admech conclaves on Lucius or Stygies VIII prob

[jade holly]

[fervent geode]

i have no idea

[arctic talon]

prolly Mars

[storm jungle]

Jay legit said

"Any baby who exists without my knowledge exists without my consent."

[arctic talon]

its got the biggest parliment

[storm jungle]

[fervent geode]

true enough

[crystal forum]

judge holden ass

[fervent geode]

prob the most babies too

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-beast-judge-holden-gif-1242862405310500313

[fervent geode]

mr beast is mortarion??

[crisp heath]

Any baby who exists without lobotomization shall be thrown into the furnace

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

[fervent geode]

(ik who judge holden is)

[crystal forum]

this guy literally buys puppies and then drowns them in under a paragraph i think people skip over that one

[storm jungle]

BRUH

[crystal forum]

reading blood meridian was detrimental to my health

[storm jungle]

People praising how evil 40k characters are before Judge Holden steps in the room

😭

[arctic talon]

I love Judge Holden

what an awful person

[crystal forum]

i regret it immensely