40k-lore-chat

[opaque coyote]

Or even just drones

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/brock-samson-venturebros-go-ahead-try-to-gif-14270823

[opaque coyote]

Like even ignoring nukes.

Drones could just

Enmass

Bomb

[paper haven]

Drone swarms aren't as effective against technoologically competent countries

[vagrant fox]

I'd say scale back military spending so it's not higher than the next bunch of countries combined but that's maybe economically unsound at this point

[crystal forum]

meh drones don't have the range to take out carriers yet

[opaque coyote]

Yet

[crystal forum]

even if they could, carriers might as well become giant drone ships anyways too

[near wasp]

Yeah of the nuke even gets that close, air defenses would probably intercept it

[opaque coyote]

Audit the US military in economic waste and actually have them pass a test

Since they never have

Like

Ever

[paper haven]

Carriers have cwis. Drone swarms won't get close

[daring creek]

The future of war is nicotine addicted teens playing video games

[opaque coyote]

Literally

[daring creek]

[opaque coyote]

Drone pilots don't need to be muscular

[paper haven]

Nice save

[crystal forum]

there is no ship borne air defense system in the world that will intercept an ICBM coming in an almost vertical trajectory.

[near wasp]

We shot a satellite out of orbit bro a missile is nothing compared to that

[crystal forum]

not to mention a nuclear bomb doesn't need to actually hit its target

[paper haven]

Hypersonic missiles aren't all they're cracked up to be.

[near wasp]

Exactly

[valid needle]

Yeah Erebus stabbed him

[paper haven]

Although, if you have a lot of them, they're still a serious threat

[crystal forum]

a satellite with a fixed orbit?

[opaque coyote]

Explosives solve every problem

[near wasp]

You realize it's easier to hit something when your the target too

[paper haven]

With no way to tell which missiles are carrying a nuclear payload, it's really just a numbers game.

[opaque coyote]

Strange really, the only way to win is not to play

[near wasp]

We also shot a missile out of its fastest phase in orbit too I'm pretty sure

[crystal forum]

all air defenses have a saturation point where they can't take down enough targets at a time

[paper haven]

Yadda yadda, deterrence, Mutually assured destruction, yadda yadda cold war

[crystal forum]

and it only takes one nuke to get through

[near wasp]

But if your using that many nukes to take down one boat it's a waste

[paper haven]

They're not though. Most will be regular missiles

[crystal forum]

a supercarrier???

[paper haven]

You only need a few nukes to actually hit

[crystal forum]

mfer a supercarrier is a bigger threat than the cheyenne mountain complexe

[opaque coyote]

Talking about modern war smh

Where's my zerg rushes

[crystal forum]

those will happen after the nukes are sent

because i am of the opinion that a nuclear war will not end during the first opening salvos

[opaque coyote]

I assume from machines since it's not like humans are uh

Good at surviving nuclear hellscapes

[crystal forum]

we're better at it than we look

it only takes a few weeks for nuclear radiation to become safe enough to only die from long term exposure after a nuclear explosion

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I suspect after we unload our nuclear arsenal. It'd most likely stop as all the countries would be too wounded to actually continue fighting

They would need to conserve resources since there still needs to be people

[crystal forum]

but that's the thing, after nukes are sent there will be nothing stoping countries from invading eachother

[opaque coyote]

If only as a resource

[crystal forum]

no more MAD

[opaque coyote]

True, but I imagine at least a 10-20 year lull

Before that happens

[crystal forum]

i think you'd have like a month or two before the fighting resumes

[opaque coyote]

Again, nuclear war would take a long time to recover from given the fact that

If you can't feed your soldiers, how you are gonna make war

[crystal forum]

of course like 80% of the world will be dead

[opaque coyote]

And nuclear war fucks up the feeding portion

[crystal forum]

since 80% of the world lives in nukable areas

[near wasp]

Less people less mouths to feed

[arctic talon]

And almost no land that’s usable

lol

Nuclear winter

💀

[near wasp]

I mean in the us a lot of farmble areas would be relatively ok

[crystal forum]

there's actually very little solid scientific facts about how a nuclear winter would go

[arctic talon]

That’s true

[crystal forum]

so it's a lot of speculation

[arctic talon]

But I like to assume the worst

Personally tbh

[opaque coyote]

Hopefully we will never find out

[arctic talon]

I agree

lol

[near wasp]

I'd rather assume the best because the worst means I die

XD

[crystal forum]

a lot of the world will still be fertile i believe

of course with some heavy metals in your food from now on

[arctic talon]

Interesting

Well that’s assumed

[opaque coyote]

Depending on the temperature decrease and if the sky being blotted out by nuclear winter.

It doesn't matter due to the lack of sunlight and the land becoming colder

[crystal forum]

like dont get me wrong you will get cancer and die at 60

but you will still live

[opaque coyote]

Depending on if you survive the two weeks

Which is unlikely

[crystal forum]

if cleanup is done by governments then a lot of contaminated land could be moved off

if you scrape the tippy top surface of soil you can still plant stuff

[young pecan]

patrolling the mojave almost

[crystal forum]

and you just want to get rid of the radioactive dust that got kicked up by the nukes

[opaque coyote]

Overall, I guess at least a decade long break.

Sure there's nothing to prevent war physically.

But also most of the soldier's families probably got vaporized or died to fallout

So

[crystal forum]

of course we have no idea how the environment will react

given how we barely know what we're doing it rn without the whole blowing up nuclear bombs in the atmosphere thing

[opaque coyote]

Tbf nukes in the air is generally the most effective way to cause the most damage

[crystal forum]

yeah that's what im saying

it would be in the atmosphere

might strip away the ozone layer

leading to higher rates of skin cancer

and harsher summers

[rocky gale]

Simply nuke the sun

[vagrant fox]

just wear mud like elephants 4hed

[crystal forum]

the fucked up part is that some volcanos erupting would cause more damage than all our nukes combined

[rocky gale]

So Nuke the volcanos

[crystal forum]

isn't that the plot to a disaster movie

the core

bruh that movie starts with everybody in the world who has a pacemaker dying because the earth's electromagnetic field gets fucked up lol

[young pecan]

get owned arrythmioids

[arctic talon]

lol

[languid meadow]

a certain thing was leaked now I wonder what it could mean

adept tomorrow

[daring creek]

I thought about it more. A while ago I watched ukrainian teenagers like around 19 flying those shits into russian soldiers.

All you need to do is provide energy drinks, vape, food, and snacks..water too if that can be remembered lmfao

Literally just give them a Bodega

Lmfao

Shit those really are just junk food stores

[opaque coyote]

The new future of warfare...

https://tenor.com/view/peni-parker-gif-24502414

A weapon to surpass metal gear

[crystal forum]

the ipad generation will be ready for this

[opaque coyote]

Hopefully it'll just eventually develop into drone vs drone warfare and war literally turns into a game

[daring creek]

💀

Fucking serving the US from home

[near wasp]

I mean rainbow six siege becomes a reality

[daring creek]

Honestly? Yeah definitely.

Remote controlled tanks

[crystal forum]

those prob wont happen

[opaque coyote]

Also on an unrelated note.

The MSX metal gear games actually need a remake

[crystal forum]

land warfare will never be replaced

[near wasp]

No more like competitive military war games

[daring creek]

Related note.

[opaque coyote]

Especially the first one.

Seriously it is complete bullshit

I love having pitfalls appear from fucking nowhere

Should've foreseen the future ig

Also Solid Snake being physically unable to wear a gas mask and use a key card

I guess he's fucking pressing the gas mask on his face

[crystal forum]

i wonder what ukrainians will do with the kilo and kilos of fiber optics laying around

[opaque coyote]

Seriously though a remake of the MSX games into the solid 3D format would be interesting

[crystal forum]

if only it was recyclable like copper

[opaque coyote]

Or even just remade in general

[crystal forum]

maybe they could make christmas decorations out of them

[opaque coyote]

Like seriously those games are complete arcade bullshit

[vagrant fox]

eat the wires

noodle soup

[opaque coyote]

Iron is good for the body

[opaque coyote]

Seriously though konami

[crystal forum]

there's no iron in fiber optics

[opaque coyote]

Remake the MSX games

You can even reference MGS 5

Think of how goated that would be

Have a secret where if you peel off the outer heaven logo on"Big Boss's" hat

You'll see a diamond dogs logo

Or even edit Big Boss to have the famous sharpnel pieces in venom's head

Do you know how fucking cool that would be???

OR EVEN MAKE METAL GEAR REVENGEANCE 2

WE ALL WANT IT

[valid needle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smh-nope-no-cute-gif-4883226

[young pecan]

I watched Avatar 2 last night

Why is Spider brain damage

[vagrant fox]

whichever mfer invented conjugation should be crucified like the degenerate they were
I hate linguists

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-new-vegas-degenerates-degenerates-like-you-belong-on-a-cross-degenerate-gif-21451302

[winter pine]

me loading the holorifle with max charge microfusion cells the moment he tells me this

[arctic talon]

technology is bad

has a fucking autodoc in his tent

also the legion trying to get energy weapons

[young pecan]

The only time the Legion exchanges words with me is when I'm forced into dialogue with that guy who talks to you outside of The Tops

[arctic talon]

lol

[young pecan]

and then that guy is made of many, much smaller, not-so guy-shaped pieces

[winter pine]

Wonder if there's a special dialogue from House if I just shoot everyone in the Fort including Caesar THEN activate the bot army

I know there's some if you never go to meet him, just take out Benny then go to the Fort

[young pecan]

"The Legion will be willing to overlook your genocide of our roman larpers if you start obeying Caesar"

[arctic talon]

(the 10mm pistol in my pocket)

jokes aside I wish the Legion got developed more but whatever

lol

They're evil and awful

I enjoy shooting them

[winter pine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnxgZoRUs44

[arctic talon]

also they look like dorks

which is intentional

[young pecan]

I don't think so

[arctic talon]

they somehow look less derpy in the fallout TV show

then they do ingame

Like they actually managed to make them not look stupid

so good on them

[young pecan]

I could be wrong though

[arctic talon]

bcs I'm not sure if them looking that stupid(on average) is intentional or not

lol

some of the higher rank legion sets look fine

[plush mason]

it is frankly impressive they are as developed as well as they are

[arctic talon]

with how rushed the game was? yeah

[plush mason]

the whole game being made in 18 months

[winter pine]

To be fair Caesar's Legion was going to be in Van Buren Fallout 3 and then a planned Fallout 4

Before uh, Black Isle went out of business

[arctic talon]

tbf

they were also pretty different in Van Buren 3

they straight up had technocrats

[winter pine]

As dumb as as it sounded I really want to fight that crazy mad scientist motherfucker that was going to be the Van Buren villian

[young pecan]

https://youtu.be/SkOTwN9m40A?si=yjcK7BpbwJDC-TuO

The Charlie Brown shot kills me

[arctic talon]

playing the most unhinged courier alive

play like you have brain damage

role play violent moodswings

where you go from cordial to hacking someones limbs off

highly recomend it/hj

[winter pine]

self medicate with psycho and wasteland tequila

[young pecan]

So all of my runs?

[arctic talon]

Yes

fuck benny and then dismember his corpse

truly a Courier W

[spring cairn]

the show's gonna make me play NV isn't it

[winter pine]

Screaming chem user Sole Survivor is also fun

[spring cairn]

which is something i should've done a long time ago ig considering it's like, the only good fallout

[young pecan]

I like to imagine that every single one of my quicksave&quickload moments over even the slightest sass or perceived disrespect are canon intrusive thoughts my courier has

[winter pine]

lore accurate hive scum, courier six, sole survivor: https://youtu.be/sf9zlWJFNl8

[arctic talon]

honestly

I think 4 and 3 are good

lol

I think all the fallout games are like

good

[spring cairn]

idk

i actually tried 3

[arctic talon]

do I have criticisms for literally all of them?

yes

[spring cairn]

and uh

[young pecan]

Brotherhood of Steel game says what

[arctic talon]

3 has aged horribly

that one isn't real

[spring cairn]

the green filter touched me

[arctic talon]

BAWLS are not real

[young pecan]

LMAO

[winter pine]

3 is fun every now and then but the writing is dogshit a bunch of the time

[arctic talon]

I wll not drink BAWLs

[vagrant fox]

I like 3 outside of the main story which I think is just kind of ass

[arctic talon]

you cannot make me drink BAWLs

[winter pine]

Is Bawls even still on the market lmao

[arctic talon]

Fallout Brotherhood of Steel would have been the last game in the fallout serise

[winter pine]

Thought it went the way of Sobe

[young pecan]

3 is really charming in the way that it sells the doom of the setting methinks

[arctic talon]

if Bethesda didn't revive it

and I will forever be thankful

[young pecan]

NV is much less horror than 3

[arctic talon]

Bethesda did not let it

FUCKING END ON BAWLS

oh my god

they still sell Bawlz

[young pecan]

As it should be, because the Courier IS the horror

[arctic talon]

who wants to drink some Bawlz

[young pecan]

||Do NOT ask me for blood pressure readings while playing the Divide||

[arctic talon]

tbf the Courier is literally horrifying lol

if we are to take the brain at face value

in Big MT

you have foughten a nightkin and lived

with a fucking pencil

[young pecan]

Wait I never heard that dialogue or I forgot

That's so ridiculous

[arctic talon]

sorry a penknife

which is just as silly

[storm jungle]

the holy lightbulb

[arctic talon]

don't insult the couriers brain smh

[vagrant fox]

yoo stewie griffin

[arctic talon]

anyways the fact the courier survived doing that is hilarious

[vagrant fox]

I should do a NV playthrough when I get home

[young pecan]

I love that you have to convince your own brain that your unhinged adventures are actually fun

Which implies that the brain was a bystander to all of Courier's activities?

[storm jungle]

Dont we do this IRL every day

[young pecan]

What does bro operate on

[lament shoal]

The new 76 biome is lovely

[arctic talon]

imo

[vagrant fox]

me doing the dishes once again, yes

[arctic talon]

the brain in the big MT is the Couriers like

Frontal lobe

[storm jungle]

Skyrim looking peak

[arctic talon]

everything that tells them that "this is a horrible idea" internally

while the courier just goes on vibes otherwise lol

[young pecan]

Sounds about right

Something something rational mind

[arctic talon]

I like to imagine that the courier did something stupid like get drunk with benny/the khans he hired before getting kidnapped and shot in the head

lol

[young pecan]

I wonder about that sometimes

Like how did Courier 6 even get caught by two lackey Khans and a weak smooth-talker, when Couriers are already known to be capable people

I could see the drunk thing as one way

[arctic talon]

was sleeping, was drunk, was otherwise crippled/disabled

idk

[vagrant fox]

shit happens

[arctic talon]

yeah

[vagrant fox]

either way for that intro alone kill all khans

[storm jungle]

Same as how russia's most powerful man died from a stroke covered in his own urine

https://tenor.com/view/superman-kills-stalin-gif-27361303

wait wrong scene

AAA-

[young pecan]

Khans victimize themselves so so much man

[vagrant fox]

why'd he do that i thought he didn't kill anyone

[young pecan]

Like you admit yourself that your faction comprises of junkies who contribute nothing and just raid people

Why should I not blow your face off

muh bitter springs

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-silly-car-car-stare-10-thousand-yard-stare-10-thousand-yard-gif-14200271775968563996

[daring creek]

Sounds heroic

[vagrant fox]

we came from the same vault so it's ok that we're raiding shady sands
oh fuck they fought back woe is us

L bozo mentality

[daring creek]

Anyone remember when putin fell down the stairs and shat himself

[arctic talon]

the Great Khans literally deserve all their suffering

its all self inflicted

you cannot go out and kill a bunch of innocent people

and then be sad when you have your families get killed in the crossfire

[young pecan]

Except for the kids who got hurt in Bitter Springs

[arctic talon]

I mean the khans literally kill children

they literally brought it upon themselves

does it suck and its awful? yes.

[young pecan]

The only thing I lament about Bitter Springs is that the NCR didn't do it better

[lament shoal]

My courier wiping out the khans because they associate with the legion and are generally pieces of shit

[arctic talon]

I do also like the fact the khans are like roaches

they literally always come back

[young pecan]

Well yes but avoiding killing children should be anyone's goal

[arctic talon]

I sincerely hope the Khans in the TV show are yet another branch

that somehow survived/came back from the brink

[young pecan]

Even when you exterminate them in-game it just says "the few surviving Khans scurried away somewhere else"

bastards

[vagrant fox]

They're a funny bunch like that

[young pecan]

Off to raid more caravans and then play victim to anyone who will listen

[vagrant fox]

When I was a little youngin I shot on sight because I thought they were raiders lmbo

[arctic talon]

honestly

I reform the khans

[young pecan]

And also play Lick the Boot with the local evil dictator that gives you an ounce of support

[arctic talon]

in NV lol

I mean the Khans are raiders

the Radiers in NV are non generic

[young pecan]

I forget what reforming the Khans entails

[vagrant fox]

I've done every way and I don't really have a preference, they're just kind of there for me

[arctic talon]

making them reconnect with the followers of the apocalypse and start fresh

stop being raiders, settle down and actually create something

lol

now granted they still probably engage in a lot of violence considering they made an "empire" with the followers but who doesn't in Fallout

[young pecan]

Yeah definitely the best ending for Khans

By far

[arctic talon]

It makes them actually develop as a society

which is good

[young pecan]

I mean, the Followers of the Apocalypse are strictly a pacifistic group so I could see them steering the Khans in a better direction

[arctic talon]

because lets be honest here an entire nation built on creating drugs, selling drugs and killing people is not good long term for your survival

[young pecan]

Their Legion integration ending is kinda sad but funny

They just dgaf that their children and elderly are killed and then that their wives are all taken from them and sold off

[arctic talon]

well they aren't pacificists

they just believe in peace first

[young pecan]

"Yeah we still live Ig"

[arctic talon]

they will absolutely blow your head off with a gun if you're violent towards them lol

[young pecan]

True

[lament shoal]

What do they do if you don't reform them or kill them off, but also wipe out the legion and kill Caesar?

[arctic talon]

the Followers of the Apocalypse are practical pacifists more so

[young pecan]

They lean heavily towards pacifist though

Yeah

The best kind of pacifist

[arctic talon]

Papa Khan has the great khans go down swinging in Hoover Dam

towards everyone

[young pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1445856113168879757/kasane-teto-birdbrain-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

Papa Khan

[arctic talon]

or they get exterminated by the NCR

if you don't get them to break off support with the Legion

if you do make them break off support with the legion, don't make them align with the NCR or reform them

they just go down shooting at literally everyone lol

[lament shoal]

Teto my beloved

[young pecan]

What your favorite Teto song

[arctic talon]

you should not let them side with the NCR though

the NCR will manifest destiny all over them

and send them to a reservation

💀

NCR moment

[young pecan]

ouuugggh I'm manifesting my destinyyyy

America moment

[arctic talon]

the NCR being imperialistic jackasses

my beloved

[young pecan]

The ending seems to also imply ever so slightly that the Khans will start raiding NCR caravans again

[vagrant fox]

just cali things

[arctic talon]

honestly yeah I don't fucking blame them

[young pecan]

Putting them back where they started

[lament shoal]

They alternate but rn I think Cadmium Colors

[young pecan]

xd

[arctic talon]

you side with the NCR, stop raiding caravans

and then you get fucking sent to bumfuck nowhere

its barren

it sucks

you're away from civilization

💀

[young pecan]

"Why do other populations not like us?"
-The NCR

[storm jungle]

Meanwhile your average Legion officer:

[lament shoal]

I'll still take it over human trafficking tbh

[storm jungle]

^

[young pecan]

LMFAO

[arctic talon]

oh the legion absolutely is worse then the NCR

the NCR are also just jackasses as well

they're nicer about it

💀

and less awful overall

[young pecan]

Christ I know I played RDR1 when I was a child but I do not remember it being that on-the-nose

[arctic talon]

they still will kill you though

[vagrant fox]

but that one merchant said he doesn't need caravan guards

[storm jungle]

the mexico chapter is rough

also like

having finished it today after a long time holy fuck RD1 is depressing/cynical

[young pecan]

Javier how you have fallen...

[storm jungle]

i dont remember it being this dark

[storm jungle]

bro went from latino-bro in RD2

to speedy gonzales in RD1

😭

[young pecan]

He started being a bitch by the end of RDR2 anyway

[storm jungle]

yeah hes a rat

[arctic talon]

Merchants in Legion territory only like it because they don't live in Legion territory

[storm jungle]

also yeah like

i legit dont get how Legion do anything they can in lore

[arctic talon]

they're just traveling through

[storm jungle]

are sticks that OP

someone explain it to me

[arctic talon]

they use guns in lore

is why

they just also use sticks

[storm jungle]

aw hell no

[arctic talon]

for their fodder

[young pecan]

I know it's Undead Nightmare so not canon(???) but the last bigfoot was sad

[arctic talon]

but yeah the Legion have a lot of fucking bodies

and they're well trained(enough) to be a threat

also

[young pecan]

You eat BABIES

[arctic talon]

they do all the things you'd imagine a roving horde of murderous, slaving, sexist imperialists would do

So yknow

a lot of people are terrified of them

[lament shoal]

1,000 gunshots inflicted onto Ross' balls

[arctic talon]

so they surrender

[young pecan]

The training in question being basic melee exercises and a lot of fucking drugs

[arctic talon]

the Legion engages in terror tactics, use guns, and have a lot of fucking fodder

[storm jungle]

"Enjoy your fishing kid, while you still can."

I sure will you piece of shit lmao

[arctic talon]

their control over their territory is pretty weak overall

is it secure? I mean yeah

in the places where the merchants go through

[lament shoal]

That was really nice foreshadowing on their part

[storm jungle]

ikr

[arctic talon]

but in anything vaguely remote fuck no

[young pecan]

I didn't even realize it was until now

[arctic talon]

anyways the Legion are quantity over quality

the faction lol

for fallout

[storm jungle]

its hilarious how like

if RD1 was any other game

[arctic talon]

unless we count the NCR conscripts in New vegas

[storm jungle]

they'd try to make you sympathise for Ross

[arctic talon]

in which that case yeah those are about as bad as well

[storm jungle]

like oh maybe he regrets his ways or some shit

but nah

[arctic talon]

they're just better armed and armored

[storm jungle]

hes still a piece of shit

lmao

"ReVeNGe BaD"

[lament shoal]

Sucks that Jack became exactly what his parents didn't want for him, but at the same time Ross deserved what he got lol

[storm jungle]

Its even worse when you got more context

in RD2 in a camp interaction Jack says he wants to be a gunslinger

[arctic talon]

also ngl

[storm jungle]

and Abigail says over her dead body

and what does he do?

[arctic talon]

Ceasers legions also sucks on the tabletop lmao

[storm jungle]

goes after Ross only after shes dead

[arctic talon]

they're

such a boring fucking faction

[storm jungle]

literally 3 years after John

which is fucking rough

[arctic talon]

which I mean it fits I guess

but holy fuck lol

[vagrant fox]

There's a tabletop?

[arctic talon]

wasteland warfare

[vagrant fox]

wack

[lament shoal]

He likely didn't want her to see what he became

[arctic talon]

their officers are actually like

[storm jungle]

Yep.

[arctic talon]

good

but anything below that

is fodder

[storm jungle]

But it also implies Abigail probably died from either disease or just depression

because its not like she was even old

[arctic talon]

explorers are god awful even as objective monkeis

[vagrant fox]

I liked Ceasars Legion in the hoi4 mod, some really good units and an endless wave of fodder iirc

[arctic talon]

legionaries die to a light breeze

but hey

you got a lot of them

and they can bog down people so your officers can jump them

[young pecan]

Tabletop?

[surreal nest]

35 was old back then

[arctic talon]

wasteland warfare

they are the gang up and jump you faction

mostly

[storm jungle]

no it wasnt

[arctic talon]

with a lot of cannon fodder

and some guns

[storm jungle]

shut up catboy

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-cat-yap-yapper-yapping-gif-5642199211123099306

[arctic talon]

if you want the wall of guns™ just play NCR

and use conscripts

[surreal nest]

LIFE EXPECTANCY WAS 45

[storm jungle]

thats from lumbago

its a very serious condition

[surreal nest]

AHHHHHHHH

[storm jungle]

TAHITI

[arctic talon]

you basicially just spam thermic lances on your legion officers

[lament shoal]

Terminal lumbago is a serious condition. This is no laughing matter

[storm jungle]

lmfao

[arctic talon]

rifles on the legionaries who have enough brain cells to aim

[storm jungle]

god i love how IRL

[arctic talon]

and then give everyone else the worst loadout possible

[storm jungle]

they literally just titled lumbago "back pain" due to this

because people kept treating it like its some serious disease

[arctic talon]

because

their entire job

[storm jungle]

I only learned after googling it

[arctic talon]

is to go out and die

[storm jungle]

oh my god elite SHUT UP

[arctic talon]

no

[storm jungle]

yes

timed out for 10s

[arctic talon]

no

[vagrant fox]

let him cook i'm reading

[storm jungle]

its Red Dead time

you two are going to tahiti

harvest some mangoes for me

[vagrant fox]

orthur... tahiti

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/dutch-van-der-linde-red-dead-redemption-2-rdr-2-freaky-gif-15202838275417955046

HAVE SOME

GOD

DAMN

FAITH

[arctic talon]

Orthur

[storm jungle]

Can we put Dutch in charge of Caesar's Legion instead

maybe it will end up better

[arctic talon]

isn't RDR2 in like

the 1900's

[storm jungle]

1889

[arctic talon]

neat

[lament shoal]

You don't build a barn dumbass

[storm jungle]

right at teh end of the wild west

[storm jungle]

WHAT YEAR DO YOU THINK THIS IS

[vagrant fox]

1899 innit

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

SEVENTEEN EIGHT FIVE?

man i need GTA 6

💀

[rocky gale]

Too bad

4 more years

[vagrant fox]

world peace before gta 6

[storm jungle]

let rockstar cook

[arctic talon]

but yeah The Legion™ on the tabletop wargame perfectly reflects how they act ingame/in lore lol

[arctic talon]

I believe in the cook

[vagrant fox]

more like uhhh cockstar

[storm jungle]

idk why people get so riled up over the delays, Rocktar has literally always delivered

[arctic talon]

I just also think some people have set their expecations to fucking Pluto when they should be on the moon

lol

[storm jungle]

I mean

its Rockstar

[arctic talon]

because they're impatient

and they want it now

[storm jungle]

about every game they make is in some way peak

also booty physics

[lament shoal]

Because they're spoiled, stupid, and impatient

They learned nothing from the cyberpunk release

[storm jungle]

the hilarious part is

[arctic talon]

Cyberpunk got rushed out the door by execs

lol

[storm jungle]

i remember when R* released the RD2 trailer

[arctic talon]

the development was also a clusterfuck

[storm jungle]

and the final fucking product

ENDED UP LOOKING BETTER THAN THE TRAILER

[arctic talon]

shits funny

honestly the 2077 beta/prerelease footage was all

Grungier? I guess?

is the word for it lol

[storm jungle]

yeah that

[arctic talon]

its much brighter/colorful in the full release

RDR2 looked much flatter pre release

its crazy how the game ended up looking much more

[storm jungle]

also people hated and didnt wanna paly Arthur

[arctic talon]

how do I put it

idfk

[storm jungle]

now hes literally one of the most famous characters in modern gaming

lol

[arctic talon]

the game looked more like

vibrant in the final release

lol

[storm jungle]

it was VERY flat/playdough'ish on trailers yeah

it legit looks weird

then the final game ended up much more better on launch

[vagrant fox]

Sounds pretty fun, I'd try it if I had a chance I reckon

[arctic talon]

I think 2077's pre release coloration would have been fine

personally tbh

but I like how colorful it is

with the fullgame

[storm jungle]

same its still pretty good

[arctic talon]

anyways Cyberpunk RED 2077 sourcebook when RR Talrosan

[storm jungle]

also man i wish the game had better ragdolls

[arctic talon]

I want to torment my players

[storm jungle]

gmod ahh ragdoll bones

[arctic talon]

yeah the ragdolls in 2077 are uh

bad lol

[storm jungle]

not even a mod for it

lmao

[arctic talon]

I basicially got what I wanted

from the game

which was

have one of my favorite universes

in vidya game

[vagrant fox]

I liked the story on launch at least but more so I like having the full good game experience we have now

[arctic talon]

Anyways Ceasers Legion fan or Enclave Fan in wasteland warfare

pick one

[arctic talon]

The story was great from the start, the state of the game before they fixed it wasn't at all tbh

also there were like

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

a bunch of weird water related perks

like what the fuck lol

WHY DID YOU SPEND DEV TIME ON THIS CDPR

[storm jungle]

also Edgerunners literally launched the game into a renaissance

[arctic talon]

Edgerunners got me to get 30+ people to play cyberpunk RED one shots

[vagrant fox]

I forgot about the water perks, strange stuff

[arctic talon]

so it gets a W in my book

lol

beyond just being good

the Cyberpunk Edgerunners mission kit also making it much more apparent how weird the balancing in 2077 did not help my brain

but whatever lol

[vagrant fox]

I have the rulebook sitting at home waiting to be read, gotta get on that

[arctic talon]

Like

I guess V just

Exclusively uses AP rounds lmao

because smasher would be taking literally 0 damage from most of the guns lol

[vagrant fox]

In FO76 I dressed like a caveman and wrote 'Welcome to the Encave' in my camp so I know which choice is obvious

[arctic talon]

LOL

ngl is Giancarlo ever going to play a character who isn't

cold calculating edgy person

like ever again lol

[vagrant fox]

Not that I cared for Far Cry 6 or whichever it was but he was fun in that one

but I guess that's just his roles forever now

[arctic talon]

shame

guess he's typecast now

[vagrant fox]

Kinda want to play Old World Blues for HoI IV now

[storm jungle]

Far Cry 6 is SO bad

me and my friend barely finished it in coop

5 was so fucking fun in comparison, extreme fell-off

[vagrant fox]

Yeah the only reason I paid attention was for Giancarlo

[arctic talon]

5 was the one in rural america

with the cult right

[vagrant fox]

Yea

The one with the outrage

[lament shoal]

Playing a clicker game at this point lol

This gun is really good, only problem I have with it is having to constantly reload because it only holds 6 rounds

[sly lake]

Greetings

How is everyone

[lament shoal]

Good, you?

[sly lake]

I am fine

Looking to join the Word Bearers

[lament shoal]

You interested in learning their lore?

[sly lake]

I am always interested

[young pecan]

Do you have a perk that makes ammo weigh less or are you just insane

[lament shoal]

Yea I have that one

[vagrant fox]

where's that word bearer propagandaist when you need him

[sly lake]

And where was the Emperor, when we needed him most?

[vagrant fox]

chillin

[storm jungle]

probably smoking weed

[lament shoal]

.45 used to be hard for me to find until I ran into this really nice high lvl player who gave me 5,000 .45 rounds for free lol

[valid needle]

Stoned out

[rocky gale]

Zoinked out of his bean on interdimensional psyker spice

[vagrant fox]

snorting pulverized nulls just to feel anything

[valid needle]

Everyone blames Big E but like what is a G not allowed to smoke up anymore?

[storm jungle]

[sly lake]

Enjoying simple pleasures of the flesh, while his sons weep scared and alone

[rocky gale]

A true father

[vagrant fox]

As a father should, yes

I'm sure Angron was out there living his best braindented life

[valid needle]

I mean those dudes were grown ass men, at some point in your 300 year life you need to stop blaming your parents for your problems today.

[sly lake]

Imagine if your father was the god-king of mankind himself

Would you have gotten over it if he wounded you

[jade holly]

Smoking that 1k Pound Psyker special

Isn’t 1k pounds a ton? I forget

[valid needle]

I mean you are 300 years old Horus you need to grow up and get over not getting a statue like your brothers in your death bed dream.

[jade holly]

So how long have Red Corsairs been a big name for Chaos?

[arctic talon]

Since about 3 years after the end of the badab war

aka 912.M41

which means they've been around for around 100 years or so

and are the size of a pre heresy legion already

now granted they do recruit

literally anybody

as long as you hate the imperium, and love wealth

[jade holly]

Aren’t they glorified space pirates?

[vagrant fox]

They're from before 3rd ed aren't they

[storm jungle]

Not really

they are huge for a reason

[vagrant fox]

Chaos pirates with renegades on copium

[storm jungle]

also got one of the only functioning blackstone fortresses in the setting lol

[vagrant fox]

true facts

[valid needle]

BL vs RC who wins?

[jade holly]

Constantly hounded by the Necrons?

[storm jungle]

No?

why would necrons care

[storm jungle]

Depends on which side has the named characters

[vagrant fox]

who is on the coverart

[jade holly]

Ngl thought Necrons kept Blackstone to themselves

[storm jungle]

if its both then nada, stalemate

[storm jungle]

Necrons dont care about fortresses

they dont even belong to them lol

[arctic talon]

The Blackstone fortress are old ones tech

[wet sandal]

Yeah necrons don't want you to steal their noctilith, but if you get it from somewhere who cares

[arctic talon]

there's like a 99% likelyhood

[storm jungle]

Its not even likelyhood

it literally is

the tech we see in them isnt from any faction as per the Blackstone books

[jade holly]

What makes blackstone special again? Is it that is has warp dampening effects?

[ruby hatch]

not sure whats going on but i want to say is glory to the god emperor

[storm jungle]

Its a giant fucking self-aware WMD

[arctic talon]

Red Corsairs because I like them more

[storm jungle]

Heres to him blowing up 🙏

[arctic talon]

blackstone can be used to either amplify or nullify the warp

it passively slightly supresses it

and when active can be tuned to a specific polarity

to either heavily supress it

or to heavily amplify it

[jade holly]

Isn’t blackstone what the Pariah Nexus is built with?

[arctic talon]

necron pylons are built with them yes

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Noctilith

you need to read up

[jade holly]

Where’s all the Black Library books for the Pariah Nexus smh

Gimme an entire series for that

[vagrant fox]

If BL doesn't release a new warhammer crime within the next five days I'll personally make sure you never get that

[arctic talon]

read campaign books

or don't

I can't make you

anyways this is a chaos application of blackstone

it makes psykers stronger

and daemons stronger

and the veil weaker

[rocky gale]

Aye that's what I was thinking of, the Noctilith crown

[jade holly]

For a Pariah King (idk if that’s an actual thing in lore I just think the title goes hard)

[arctic talon]

well

that thing is for making the warp stronger

not weaker lol

[rocky gale]

You're welcome to try and wear that thing

[arctic talon]

tbf

[jade holly]

Challenge accepted

[arctic talon]

I think if you stuck your head inbetween the prongs

your head would literally explode

[jade holly]

Gonna wear it like a tutu

[arctic talon]

due to the sheer warp energy its concentrating lol

it had rules in 8e crusade

where on a perils roll

[rocky gale]

Na I'd become an ascended being

[arctic talon]

and you rolled more 6's

it would fucking explode

into a greater daemon tearing it open

lol

[storm jungle]

nobody cares elite

shut up before i stuff you in a locker

[jade holly]

I care

[storm jungle]

You're banned

[jade holly]

I enjoy hearing this

[arctic talon]

no you

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

[valid needle]

Can I interest you in some must read Dark Angel books (it’s every dark Angel book)

[rocky gale]

Dilara grumpy, must have got coal for christmas

[jade holly]

Ehhhhh…. Not too big on the DA personally. Especially not after my experiences in Warpforge lmao

[storm jungle]

thats the wrong middle-finger

[jade holly]

but I’m guessing they have the Pariah Nexus in some of their books?

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-rip-rhino-toy-gif-23656797

[valid needle]

I think so, they have faced necrons a few times.

[jade holly]

I’m still sad the Silent King book is apparently not that good

[storm jungle]

you need to read a summary homie

[valid needle]

Eh read it yourself and judge yourself never listen to reviews

[storm jungle]

Dont listen to this guy

[jade holly]

But it was Dilara who told me

[storm jungle]

its literally universally unliked lol

[jade holly]

And the mod’s word is absolute

[vagrant fox]

false

overthrow the regime

[valid needle]

There’s so many books I got told were mid and I thoroughly enjoyed them, I’m just saying you never know what you’ll like.

[storm jungle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/1m3a50h/the_silent_king_full_summary_and_lore_notes_full/

if you dont believe me take a look

Silent King is barely in the goddamn novel lmao

and the plot is just a waste of time as its in the "past"

so nothing comes out of it

[rocky gale]

Is it like Ushoran in the Ushoran novel?

[jade holly]

On the topic of leaders and stuff, is Imotekh considered one of the best duelists?

like he could be Obyron or Lucius in a fight?

[rocky gale]

70% of the novel is the other guy going "God I hope Ushoran isn't fucking up my plans"

[storm jungle]

No because while hes not in the novel its legit a good book

this is both not a good book but also another title bait

[storm jungle]

Not really, hes OP but thats about it

there isnt really a "best" in 40k

they get chumped if the plot demands it

[outer wave]

Just like any other faction tbh

[jade holly]

So in one story Imotekh could be ‘03 animated Grievous but in another he could be Star Wars the Clone Wars 3d animated Grievous?

[outer wave]

Tyranids? Strongest thing there is, can adapt to ANYTHING, get destroyed by three helmetless spacemarines

Ditto with Chaos, Orks, uhhhh

Yeah

[jade holly]

What would happen if Daemon princes tried invading the Pariah Nexus?

Would they just not be able to enter given they’re pure warp beings?

[storm jungle]

Yeah unless the plot demands it

[outer wave]

Id spawn in and kill the universe

[storm jungle]

the Warp could not exist in the Pariah Nexus yet fucking Vashtorr spawned inside it following some wack ritual using DAOT tech

and brought in other chaos legions

peak example of "it depends until writers go kaboom"

lmao

[jade holly]

I gotta work a double shift tomorrow then I’m off, I’m gonna try and start Twice Dead King on my day off

But I also want to go to a GW store and see if I can’t get the Combat Patrol

[surreal nest]

Pariah fart sex

[storm jungle]

Shut up furry

[surreal nest]

WHA

[surreal nest]

DO YOU LIKE MY CHAIS WARRIOR

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thumbs-up-cat-thumbs-up-meme-stock-image-gif-27117830

[lament shoal]

Now all he needs is a pink bow on his head

[arctic talon]

also I like your chaos warrior very much

[surreal nest]

I love this image so much

[jade holly]

Who would win between a Triarch Praetorian and Custodes?

[opaque coyote]

So let's say this. I am a Planet Governor, and due to either lack of diligence, corruption, insert reason here. Tyranids have started to invade my planet because the weird religious cult that worships a four armed emperor called them to my planet.

Now, I own a regular hive world. How likely is it that an average hive world would survive a Tyranid incursion? Do I have to evacuate all of my population? Is it even possible? Etc.

[jade holly]

I’d imagine it’s like a Skaven under city, you don’t realize it’s there until it’s too late

Unless you manage to catch early symptoms and begin thoroughly rooting it out and denying any additional GSC members

[vagrant fox]

Probably should pack your bags and buh bye if you can

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I wonder if that's even possible once an invasion starts.

Also if there are any early signs

Beyond the GSC of course

[surreal nest]

Im trying to get into AoS lore but the mortal realms thing really takes me out of it

[near wasp]

your ships in orbit get eaten, it begins to rain acid, you cant even scream into the warp for help. you will die eaten by horrifying monstrosity. You cant run. you will only be feed for the swarm

extermintus is really the best option

[arctic talon]

What about it

[surreal nest]

Its just hard for me to follow

[arctic talon]

I c

[surreal nest]

But it feels important to know to understand the universe

[near wasp]

and as far as i know for early warning signs its like earth quakes and natural disasters from the whiplash of tyranid ftl

[arctic talon]

I’d read the AoS lexicanum or wiki

[surreal nest]

Im watching this video rn

[arctic talon]

For a basic outline

Ah

[surreal nest]

https://youtu.be/RaDeyxJe5pY?si=7tvaRDqjsPJej3Ef

[arctic talon]

Oh god

Yeah that’s gona be

💀

[surreal nest]

Is it bad?

[arctic talon]

No

It’s good

It’s just a lot

[surreal nest]

Its very interesting but im just hung up on the realms part

[jade holly]

Methinks it’s like reading an entire encyclopedia in one sitting

[surreal nest]

I still dont understand what they are

[arctic talon]

Think of the mortal realms as realms in a dnd sense

[surreal nest]

Divine essences of god like beings from the world that was?

[arctic talon]

Or other fantasy settings with multiple habitable realms

[arctic talon]

Yeah in essence

[surreal nest]

Tbh i learn easier like this

[arctic talon]

They’ve coalesced into places that are physical

Livable

[surreal nest]

That makes a lot of sense to me

And realm gates can travel to any realm or are they locked to certain ones?

[arctic talon]

Realmgates are locked to specific gates

And some cannot have the destination changed at all and are only one to one gate

[surreal nest]

So essentially realm gate cities can sometimes act like Cadia with constant outpouring of hostile entities

[arctic talon]

if the other side of the gate is not secured yes

[surreal nest]

Are these realms like full sized worlds?

[arctic talon]

yes, but flat

[surreal nest]

LOL

[arctic talon]

There is literally a comment on this in universe

by astrologers

complaining about

"why the fuck is everything else a sphere but the realms are flat"

[jade holly]

Imagine it like different maps in games, each one is a habitable plane of existence

[surreal nest]

Compression

[surreal nest]

Thats kinda what throws me off

[jade holly]

Like how in Skyrim you have Skyrim itself, then the different planes of Oblivion

And the Soul Cairn

[surreal nest]

To me it makes the universe feel too large and somewhat inconsequential if a major war happens in like a different realm. Meanwhile if everything was one world that major war would have a lot more issues

[arctic talon]

here's a map, if it helps

[surreal nest]

Are those suns and moons for each realm?

[arctic talon]

the issue is all the realms are interconnected, the people in them rely on each other

[arctic talon]

moons mostly but yeah

its best to treat the realms as different continents

just really fucking big

[surreal nest]

Ahhh ok. So it really is just like a big map with different loading zones lol

[vagrant fox]

Flat spheres you say

[arctic talon]

there is non realmgate travel

that is technically possible

its just extremely dangerous if you're not a God or directly being protected by a God

[surreal nest]

Is chaos its own realm similar to 40k? Or do they inhabit one of the 9?

8?

[arctic talon]

Chaos inhabit all of them but Azyr and have taken control of the allpoints

[jade holly]

Oh wait there was a way easier way to describe realms, Norse mythology

The 9 realms and Yggdrasil

[arctic talon]

yeah AoS likes norse mythology cosmology for the realms

lol

[vagrant fox]

Blight City makes me think of a Skaven Night City

[surreal nest]

Skaven have their own realm lmfao. I bet it wasn't even supposed to be there and they just fucked around too much

[surreal nest]

Oh damn

[jade holly]

Wanna know something scary in 40K? Flayed Ones technically have their own realm

[arctic talon]

chaos occupies its own realm as well technically

but the Chaos Gods do not allow anyone in

[jade holly]

It’s a pocket dimension they can travel to and from instantaneously

[arctic talon]

at all

lol

[jade holly]

And appear wherever they want

[arctic talon]

The Realm of Chaos is exclusively for dead chaos champions and daemons

[surreal nest]

I think I understand the mortal realms a lot more now after this conversation

[arctic talon]

the Chaos gods also physically bring the realm of chaos into reality

in the eightpoints

and other realms

[jade holly]

Yeah, it’s like the Midgard of Norse mythology

[surreal nest]

I was treating them as different planets with little to no interaction

[arctic talon]

Nurgles Garden is literally "growing" into reality in Ghyran

[jade holly]

The main plane of existence for most mortal races

[arctic talon]

which is horrifying for

[opaque coyote]

Chaos is known for it's subtley after all

[arctic talon]

literally everyone else

lol

The Sylvaneth as you can tell

do not like this development

[jade holly]

Papa Nurgle planting his Rafflesia

[arctic talon]

best example is Hamerhal Aqsha/Ghyran

the twintailed cities

[opaque coyote]

Imagining Nurgle planting a flower normally

And then it just cuts back to people dying horribly

[surreal nest]

Ghyran is the realm of vitality and healing right

[jade holly]

Vomits on the seed instead of watering it

[jade holly]

Still grows normally

[arctic talon]

yeah Ghyran is of vitality/life/healing

[surreal nest]

Im learning

[arctic talon]

but These 2 cities are interlinked with a realmgate portal

thats right in the middle of them

[surreal nest]

Oh shit I think thats where Darkwater takes place

Ghyran

[jade holly]

So AoS is completely separate from Warhammer Fantasy?

[arctic talon]

yep

[arctic talon]

its a sequal

a few thousand years into the future

[surreal nest]

AoS was born from Warhammer Fantasy

[jade holly]

Oh so the world after the end times

[surreal nest]

Yeah they talk about the old world quite a bit in lore

The world that was

[jade holly]

Wait, does that make the End Times of Warhammer Fantasy Ragnarok?

[lament shoal]

Yes

[surreal nest]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

Pretty much yeah

[arctic talon]

that is how GW treated it back then yeah

[jade holly]

Damn they sure do love their Norse Mythology

[opaque coyote]

Archaon, the delulu bastard he is, blew it up

[arctic talon]

Aqsha is mandatory for Ghyra to exist and Ghyra is mandatory for Aqsha to exist

for the twin cities

[opaque coyote]

Thinking it would starve out the Chaos gods

[jade holly]

And yet somehow 40K isn’t in the same universe

[arctic talon]

Ghyra needs to burn away the rapidly encroaching vegitation

or else it will literally consume the city

[opaque coyote]

Tbf it would be fucking wild to have flat realms

[surreal nest]

I am still of the opinion that the end times is really cool but I can understand that it was done poorly and shouldnt have killed an entire system

[opaque coyote]

Also 40k has less magic

[arctic talon]

Aqsha needs the foodstuffs of Ghyra along with medicinal herbs and water

each one cannot function without the other

[jade holly]

I hate that I’m slowly getting more interested in the Tsons

[surreal nest]

WHY

I love TSONS

[opaque coyote]

Tsons are good

[jade holly]

I already like DG, IW and IH for space marines

[arctic talon]

it is extremely cool conceptually

[jade holly]

But magic sword users are such a favorite archetype of mine

[opaque coyote]

The books are ass though

Infamously so

[jade holly]

And Egyptian culture and mythology is one of my favorites

[surreal nest]

I appreciate how high fantasy AoS is

[jade holly]

but I can’t like every Space Marine chapter when I’m the Necron guy here

[surreal nest]

Bro would love tomb kings

[jade holly]

Nagash?

[surreal nest]

Nej

[arctic talon]

Aqua Ghyranis is basically the main currency in AoS for Order and Destruction alike

because it is extremely useful