40k-lore-chat

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-group-chat-waiting-cereal-eating-cereal-dead-gif-25969021

[arctic talon]

Ogurizz cap

gay gay homosexual gay

[lament shoal]

https://youtube.com/shorts/EGs7gD88ypU?si=gsu32yisinZvZPAv

[outer wave]

Thinking Oguri was just thinking about food the whole time while dancing

[arctic talon]

Probably

[arctic sage]

there any sorta' troll equivalent in 40k?

[abstract vector]

Kinda with orks?

They had like trolls back then in older eds

[storm jungle]

Nope

[languid meadow]

Like big and ugly or big ugly and regeneration

[storm jungle]

Ogres are Ogryn
Hobbits are Ratlings
Dwarves are Kin
Elves are Eldar

thats it for the fantasy races

[languid meadow]

Keep forgetting to look at destruction in AoS

Do they have trolls

[storm jungle]

Yes

[languid meadow]

Cool

[storm jungle]

basically everything from WHF is in AOS

[languid meadow]

Let me guess the fantasy models as well

[storm jungle]

....probably lol

[arctic sage]

thought dwarfs were squats in 40k

[languid meadow]

Squats and votann are the same thing

[abstract vector]

they were

[languid meadow]

Squats are just kin that didn't live with the rest and were killed

Well most of them

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Necromunda had squats until they retconned them into votann settle down with Humans

[storm jungle]

same thing

[arctic sage]

honestly, i don't wanna recognize votann. Kinda like the earlier squats even if they were before my time.

[storm jungle]

I mean why

Votann are just better

Squat were a dumb concept that went nowhere

[abstract vector]

Its still both lore in Necromunda

[arctic sage]

votann just look like short space marines.

[storm jungle]

Eh nah

[languid meadow]

Yeah they're kind of one of the best versions of GWs dwarf takes imo

[storm jungle]

100%

[abstract vector]

Votann and Squats who kinda regressed iirc

[storm jungle]

and if you dont like them Ironhead squats exist

[languid meadow]

Nothing tops chaos dwarfs for me tho

[storm jungle]

Nah nobody regressed

Necromunda Kin just dont have an Ancestor Core

so they do shit the old fashioned way hence the industrial aesthetic

[arctic sage]

ironheads do look better.

[abstract vector]

I meant the Squat Lore with before had some clans not using Power armor and used Necromunda tech?

[storm jungle]

Kinda, its unrelated

[abstract vector]

I remember it was like this years ago until votann rewrite

[storm jungle]

it was just them sidestepping the issue

[arctic sage]

don't look like smaller space marines at all there.

[storm jungle]

They really do not look like space marines lol

only the hearthguard kinda do but they are more starcraft tbh

[arctic sage]

how's this not look like a small space marine?

[storm jungle]

....because not everyone in armor is a space marine?

[abstract vector]

IIRC it still canon GW kept some of the squat aspect BUT later on its full votann retcon

[storm jungle]

Yes

[arctic sage]

suppose that don't, but one i posted looks a lot like a space marine to me.

and i know not everything in power armor looks like a space marine, custodes exist, and so do sister of silence and battle.

[storm jungle]

Theres a lot more beyond them for that tbh

[arctic sage]

still prefer the squats from before. kinda gimme a space trucker/miner/construction worker vibe in a space gambeson.

maybe even plumber.

[storm jungle]

Beats me, the modern iteration is way better still

theres a reason GW didnt touch them for 20+ years

[arctic sage]

just wish they'd have kept the space gambeson at least.

[storm jungle]

It wouldnt really fit their advanced technology vibe seeing as dwarves are always advanced more than humanity in most fantasy settings to a degree

its why the Ironheads got the industrial end of the stick and their own part of the fandom loves them for tha reason

[arctic sage]

do dwarves always gotta' be the most technologicaly advanced though? I just don't see why they can't be the blue collar workers of the imperium with a temperment and maybe a modified killdozer mech.

votann just doesn't sit right with me is all.

[shadow plover]

try sitting left

[storm jungle]

Yes because the Imperium is backwards space nazi germany nightmare state, why would the writers lock a cool faction like the Squats from ages back into this awful regime instead of offering a much more diverse way of homebrewing and making them your own army?

Non-Leagues Kin still exist in the Imperium and actual Leagues also regularly do mercenary work if called for and theres profit for it with the Imperium but they have their own culture and identity that they protect just like any good faction.

[arctic sage]

they still don't look right to me, votann.

[shadow plover]

Squats were cool but not quite galactic armed forces capable of pitched battle cool

[storm jungle]

Yeah this, if people in majority didnt like them we'd know

they've gotten tons of minis lately and continue to appear in tons of places in the lore while setting out their own identity

[abstract vector]

its actually both

[storm jungle]

its way better than just making them another enslaved and prejudiced abhuman faction

[abstract vector]

Like Necromunda clans exist without power armor

[storm jungle]

im glad they arent even abhumans anymore lol

[abstract vector]

they’re a minority

BUT votann is super advance given they outpaced their cousins

[storm jungle]

Its not really outspace, they are just outcasts

[arctic sage]

does it have to be so advanced though that they look like tech sorcerers though?

[storm jungle]

Yes?

Its cool and people like it.

40k has always been a fantasy-in-space setting.

[arctic sage]

and some of them DO still look like smaller space marines in some of the armors.

[queen laurel]

yeah and dwarves are the blacksmith guys

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

This has been a thing in warhammer fantasy

[storm jungle]

after a certain point its just a "you" problem i guess, beats me

[abstract vector]

still counts as outpaced given they have better AI than Imperials and Dark Age tech

[storm jungle]

We arent talking about imperials bronx

[abstract vector]

Votann I mean

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-gif-14589005100275319125

[arctic sage]

doesn't mean they can't continue to look like construction workers who enjoy a beer probably a little too much.

[storm jungle]

So

Like this?

[queen laurel]

yeah they have labor guys

[arctic sage]

i can get behind that

hey don't they also have a buncha' vehicles that kinda look outta' place for 40k?

[storm jungle]

I mean every non-imperium faction looks out of place because 40k isnt just "gothic junkyard explosion"

the Imperium dont define the setting

[shadow plover]

it's because they've retained the tech from the DAOT, which is a very neat premise

[storm jungle]

^

they also innovate and work with robots they treat as equals

[wary fulcrum]

The SG team didn’t know about Votann when they wrote the squats and vice versa

Sometimes NDA’s are as much a creative stumbling block as a protection

[shadow plover]

just like Van Saar look out of place in Necromunda because they've got access to STC tech

[arctic sage]

nah, i don't think eldar, orks, nor tau look all that outta' place for the universe of 40k, i just mean like votann vehicles look like they came from another franchise entirely.

[storm jungle]

They REALLY do

[storm jungle]

Let me line them all up

[celest dome]

Lego vehicle looking a

[abstract vector]

SG Team?

[arctic sage]

like i kinda feel like you could see a votann vehicle in something like cyberpunk, or alien.

[abstract vector]

you mean Necromunda Team?

[storm jungle]

All these look like they are from "different settings"

again, gothic junkyard explosion isnt the core aesthetic of 40k, its just the one that gets commercialized the most as the Imperium are the protagonists

Votann follow a NASApunk aesthetic because thats basically more or less what their DAOT aesthetic roots is about

[abstract vector]

Tau is Retro Futurism mixed in with Anime
Eldar is Mythical Sci-Fi
Necron is Beyond your Comprehension Sci-Fi
ETC

[wary fulcrum]

Specialist Games team

I can’t remember whether they were just the Necromunda team or if they’d be broadened at that point

[abstract vector]

Ah ok

[arctic sage]

how?

[storm jungle]

....what do you mean how

[lament shoal]

I could see the tau ship being in Halo or something

[arctic sage]

i mean sure they'd look outta' place in an imperium area, but other than the moon bus, they all look 40k

[storm jungle]

literally none of these aesthetics are the same

I mean what is "40k"

its a kitchen sink setting

the entire IP was built on stolen fiction/concepts

and thats why its so diverse and great

[queen laurel]

Yeah you have diesel punk orcs dealing with space elves and robot Egyptians

[arctic sage]

i honestly don't see how.

[storm jungle]

I mean

lets compare again

[arctic sage]

thought the mechanicus vehicles looked more diesel punk, if anything

[abstract vector]

thats 30k Admech

40k Admech is mixed with Da Vinci with Tesla Punk

[queen laurel]

their tech is Diesel based

[abstract vector]

[queen laurel]

They also have other things

[storm jungle]

@lament shoal is pretty apt

[queen laurel]

also orks would build something like this not even kidding

[arctic sage]

still don't see it. think the tau would look more similar to some other sci-fi setting, but i can't quite remember what it was.

[storm jungle]

Yeah then idk what to tell you lol

Tau are pretty Halo-esque

[arctic sage]

eh, only halo vibe i get off the tau is willingness to work with other alien races rather than destroy them. and even then they don't even wanna destroy humanity like the covenant.

[abstract vector]

Tau is more gundam yes

[arctic sage]

i kinda agree.

[storm jungle]

theres no "kinda", its basically their main aesthetic

[arctic sage]

how about armored core?

[abstract vector]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Didnt really exist back then

Tau are old af

they are way more gundam coded

which was very dominant in the early 2000's

[abstract vector]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armored_Core_(video_game)
(1997)

[storm jungle]

Still not as famous is my point

bronx im legit gonna throttle you

💀

[storm jungle]

Also tau according to Jes Goodwin and Gav Thorpe were penned and concepted art in like 1990

we got mecha concept art of their first iterations to prove it

so uh

[arctic sage]

dunno about gundam necessarily, cause gundam has all the mechs with the humanoid postures and they generally kinda looked like robo samurai armor. tau make me think more of armored core.

[storm jungle]

Yeah because you cant look exactly like gundams or you get sued

its like how Eldar mechs are literally EVAs

[wary fulcrum]

Can’t trust Gav though, he shit it when Maggy died and started spouting nonsense to protect the company

[arctic sage]

never really got an eva vibe off tau, personally.

[storm jungle]

Gav has unfortunately been in 40k for over 30 years so his word is close to gospel in some cases

[storm jungle]

because they arent EVA

im talking about eldar lol

[arctic sage]

sorry, meant to say eldar.

[storm jungle]

Well, let me get a comparison again

Also eldar titans require twins or dead siblings/family members to act as a secondary pilot to operate

[arctic sage]

eeeeehhhhhh.

[storm jungle]

which is LITERALLY how some of the EVAs work

[storm jungle]

tall spindly humanoid mecha that dont exist anywhere else btw

if you are gonna say they dont look similiar then lmao

[arctic sage]

i mean maybe, i guess.

kinda always think of the bell bottom jeans mechs when i think of a tau mech

and they kinda' look like the move almost stiffly.

[storm jungle]

They are basically EVAs in the lore

they jump

they run

they circle around imperial titans

etc

they are literally just operated like EVAs

[shadow plover]

someone post that EVA montage Eldar animation

[arctic sage]

arn't evas operated from a cockpit though?

and something like connected to the pilot's nervous system or something? I dunno, been a long time since i watched EVA.

[storm jungle]

Yeah but theres also the spiritual sibling/parental bond involved

[celest dome]

Tau are closer to Gundam

[abstract vector]

Its always Twins

[celest dome]

Hell the pilot is in the chest area iirc

[abstract vector]

we got that in DOW III

Taldeer and her Brother

[storm jungle]

It was in the lore way before that

but yeah

[arctic sage]

my understanding of most eldar vehicles is they're piloted by whoever's stuck in the soul stones that's plugged in 'em to be honest, though apparently that wasn't always the case with dreadnought type stuff back in the day also.

[storm jungle]

Eldar vehicles dont work that way

they are normal vehicles just very advanced

you are thinking of Wraith units

[arctic sage]

maybe it's just the wraithguard, yeah

[storm jungle]

Its just wraiths ye, they need a dead eldar to pilot it

which they ask of a deceased eldar from the craftworld's Infinity Circuit

if they accept, they go in

[arctic sage]

what about craftworlds though? arn't those supposed to be like big eldar ships powered and piloted by soul stones?

[storm jungle]

They arent piloted and powered by souls, a Craftworld is a giant wraithbone construct worldship, the souls can just permiate through it if they want but the ship has a presence of its own, dead eldar tend to stick in the Infinity Circuit and chill in the artificial afterlife there

A craftworld has its own entire brand of captains/steersmen etc, it is its own seperate entity

[shadow plover]

hell yeah

[wary fulcrum]

Absolute nightmare when you get a promotion after the last person dies and they watch you do the job

Like, shit Ealthendra, I wasn’t nervous enough and now you make that button click every time you judge me

[storm jungle]

Yeah any advanced craftworld tech has some fucked twist involved lol

[abstract vector]

Taldeer: WATCH THIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF8SWU8Wp6Q

[storm jungle]

[arctic sage]

you know, something funny i thought about is that necron vehicle there i kinda could see bein' a space ship in dead space with the right paint job.

[storm jungle]

its because it has the ribs aesthetic

a lot of the dead space industrial look is based on ribs/spines

[daring creek]

woaw...it rlly is dead in space

[arctic sage]

also, i think i just thought of what that tau vehicle looks sorta' like it could be apart of. think it looks more like it could fit among some of the vehicles of the command and conquer franchise?

[storm jungle]

Kind of yeah

Tau aesthetic is very utopianist

[daring creek]

WILD

LMFAOOOO

[storm jungle]

lots of gentle smooth shapes

[arctic sage]

maybe utilitarian?

[storm jungle]

Yeah but its both essentially

Tau cities literally look like those "Future if X" memes

[arctic sage]

i imagine tau life still kinda sucks in some ways.

[storm jungle]

Its literally just China right now but 10x

their brand of rulership is more authoritarian while the Imperium is just omega-super-goof-fascism

[storm jungle]

Do anything wrong get shot.

Do anything wrong get lobotomized.

Do anything wrong get sent to a concentration camp.

yada yada lol

literally essentially any horrific thing fascist regimes have done IRL, the Imperium does but 10x

[wary fulcrum]

The Protectorate of Outer Worlds 2

[arctic sage]

kinda understandable though why the imperium is the way it is, when you account for how some of the other xenos races are. I mean eldar don't like to answer any question pertinent to the situation at hand and generally dick with people if i means their kids gets born, then you got dark eldar and orks

[storm jungle]

No its really not

[daring creek]

dey murdered all the good xenos

[storm jungle]

^

the Imperium is not suppose to be "understandable"

[storm jungle]

thye are horrific genocidal monsters and a cautionary tale

[queen laurel]

it means everything except widespread sexism

because they need the bodies for war

[daring creek]

The God Emperor of Man kind had a

Plan™

[celest dome]

There were human factions that allied up with different Xenos ones 💀

[storm jungle]

Also eldar dont answer questions because they are literally dealing with space nazis that want to kill all of them

[daring creek]

getting glued to a piss throne was definitely in his oh so wonderous plan

[storm jungle]

idk why people say this without realizing how crazy your aveage imperial or space marine is

they are brainwashed racists lmao

[queen laurel]

people wanting them to be real they will turn this planet into a factory

And kill everyone that doesn't listen to the regime

[arctic sage]

i dunno, seem to remember the campaign to dawn of war where the eldar woman wouldn't explain why not to break the big evil lookin' skull ball, and instead tried to gun down our guy.

[celest dome]

I hadn't realised that Alfabusa did a Mage game videos

[daring creek]

mmmm

gonna have a wittle bit of brainrot b4 bed

cuz I did good today I think

[abstract vector]

gabriels fault for releasing big demon

[storm jungle]

She explains it and Gabriel still destroys the stone and dooms the entire planet.

[abstract vector]

our chapter just got punished

[queen laurel]

Also don't forget the death watch that stopped a ritual that would have stopped Slannesh

the elder was reasoning to him by the way

[abstract vector]

Chapter almost died in Retribution but bounced back

[queen laurel]

Let us go and we will deal a hit to chaos and he went he would rather have chaos than Xenos

[arctic sage]

i mean, eldar like to stick their fingers in everyone's pie like a typical elf, orks physically can't exist without war and are inherently violent, kroot outright eat people to gain their abilities, then there's tyranids. and then when you take chaos into account which any contact with corrupts you outright apparently, even just seein' a number outta' place.

[storm jungle]

Yeah she outright says "You must NOT destroy the stone"

[celest dome]

"We could seal 1/8-1/4 of Chaos"
"Don't care, not a Xenos"

[abstract vector]

we can blame her for being cryptic early game

Late game? nah gabes fault

[queen laurel]

exactly

[sacred ginkgo]

Kroot only eat dead people

[arctic sage]

still eatin' people.

[sacred ginkgo]

And so do marines

Marines also eat people

[arctic sage]

that's different.

[sacred ginkgo]

Why

[lament shoal]

That bit you said about chaos isn't true. That depends on a lot of things

[sacred ginkgo]

There is no difference

They do it for the same reason

[abstract vector]

Dawn of War III:

Gabriel: I trust you Macha, I will listen to your advise in the future

Macha in Dawn of War IV Expansion: GABRIEL ANOTHER BIG DEMON HAS HIT TARTA-

[arctic sage]

cause they're our genetically modified freaks we designed to garner the memories of the fallen by eating them.

[lament shoal]

Plenty of characters in the lore who come into contact with chaos and aren't corrupted

[celest dome]

Eldar: Have traded with various human factions
Tau: Have accepted Human factions

• Other smaller human factions that joined other.
  But on the other hand:
  Imperium: Enslaved humanity, and seek to destroy all Xenos.
  Even if I was a human in 40k, I'd fight against the Imperium

[daring creek]

Corpse starch or like.

[sacred ginkgo]

How does that make eating people better

[queen laurel]

So if I turn you into a monster right now that is the perfect soldier it's OK for you to eat a human?

[sacred ginkgo]

Just eating corpses raw

[daring creek]

Oh

awesome!

[celest dome]

Nah, SM eat people raw to learn memories of the dead

[sacred ginkgo]

Its like elves from Divinity

[daring creek]

Finally some real cannibalism and none of this corpse starch slop

[storm jungle]

• They like to "stick their fingers" into everyones pie like a "typical elf" because they are literally trying to ensure the survival of their entire race in galaxy that wants everyone dead, Eldar never attack unless they have a reason to, and its not like the Imperium is some innocent victim, nobody should shed a tear for dead space marines or guardsman that would burn your entire civilization down beacuse you dont wanna worship some despot in a planet you have never heard of (Terra)
• Orks are Orks, no argument there.
• Kroot dont "outright eat people" they kill prey that has attacked them first and arent mindless beasts
• Tyranids are also Tyranids, no argument there.
• Chaos has literally split the galaxy in half and has humanity as its greatest champions formed from the dominoes the Emperor and the Imperium itself set up, the Imperium in its current state feeds chaos on a galactic level from what a nightmare state it is and the existence of chaos doesnt prove the Imperium's own atrocities correct in any capacity, the Imperium could choose a better way to combat them but doesnt, all of it is their fault as much as Chaos'.

the Imperium is bad

lol

[lament shoal]

You WILL eat your slop and you WILL like it!

[daring creek]

stabs you

[arctic sage]

depends, is he a heretic with information i need to find his heretic buddies?

[queen laurel]

well you answered he's fine with eating humans

[sacred ginkgo]

They eat whoever

[daring creek]

[sacred ginkgo]

Doesn't matter if they're an enemy

[lament shoal]

Unstabs me

[arctic sage]

not even just humans, orks too.

[storm jungle]

shut the fuck up lol

[sacred ginkgo]

If they need something that corpse remembered

[abstract vector]

Corpse Starch in necromunda is dead badies but its also a catch all term for recyling food from anything

[sacred ginkgo]

Its lunch time

[daring creek]

stabs you

[arctic sage]

space marines were basically built with the ability to eat whatever.

[storm jungle]

corpse starch is only made from corpses

[lament shoal]

Nuh uh

[storm jungle]

cannibalism is cannibalism

[abstract vector]

yeah but was it only war or wrath and glory mentioned corpse starch also include animals?

[sacred ginkgo]

Why are the aliens who have cultural and evolutionary reasons for being carrion eaters bad

[abstract vector]

or different one?

[storm jungle]

Still corpses my guy lol

[abstract vector]

true

[sacred ginkgo]

Instead of the freaks who had it modded in as a tactical advantage

[celest dome]

@arctic sage Do you understand that all of us would be this:
Just slaves pulling in Macro cannon ammo

You wouldn't be one of the cool Space Marines

[daring creek]

I think theres staunch difference between eating canned mush made from human corpses and going out of your away to actually chew on raw human limb.

[arctic sage]

not all of us for sure.

[lament shoal]

Kroot are what would happen if corvids gained human level sentience

[queen laurel]

Bro it's starting to sound like he's just racist to aliens for being different

[storm jungle]

"not all of us"

bruh

[wary fulcrum]

Speak for yourself, my city is more or less a violent hive city

[celest dome]

Like 99.9999999%

[sacred ginkgo]

Just 99.9% of us with a .2% margin of error

[daring creek]

Not me, I'd be the person with the gun!

[storm jungle]

Werent you gonna take your meds and go to bed

[celest dome]

You'd be executed for being weird

[abstract vector]

Not everyone is gonna be born a cadian

[daring creek]

taking adderall before bed is not a good idea

[arctic sage]

seems like exageration if you ask me.

[abstract vector]

its Pure RNG

[celest dome]

Like the Imperium does not accept deviancy from the normality

[lament shoal]

Buddy, you and everyone else in this chat would become door servitors on Hab-Block 5-48-1-L on day ONE

[celest dome]

Not at all

[storm jungle]

Its really not

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh shit you're right actually some of us would get conscripted and sacrificed as a screening maneuver on first deployment

[celest dome]

The highest cause of death for human is being part of the Imperium

[daring creek]

Hey how about we send you to the grim darkness of the 41st millenium

[storm jungle]

theres about 1000+ marine Chapters, and theres about gazillion+++++++++ humans in the galaxy

[abstract vector]

even in the Astra Militarum the commissars shoot you

[celest dome]

It's the most self destructive organisation, and human are not even ammo, but rather the oil used to lube mechanism

[abstract vector]

Even IF Sandy Mitchell said Ciaphas Cain reformed smaller parts of the Commissariat with his teachings you still get shot

[wary fulcrum]

The Three Sisters in Necromunda, 3 of the spires on one of the thousands of hives

When they did a census of Necromunda, they started there and gave up when they got to the billions before leaving the spire

[daring creek]

If you spit out that corpse starch you WILL be lobotomized on site vro.

[storm jungle]

Sandy Mitchell has gone on record as saying you shouldnt consider Cain a good source of lore so

[daring creek]

latrine servitor speedrun any%

[sacred ginkgo]

Atoma is 90 billion people

[storm jungle]

thats Hive Tertium

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah I forgot the name

[storm jungle]

😩

[sacred ginkgo]

Still a goofy stupid number

[daring creek]

[abstract vector]

yeah but it still mentioned right where Amberly vail mentioned Cain's book is still being taught in the wider imperium

[celest dome]

40k doesn't do numbers 🙏

[abstract vector]

Even if small reforms here and there. Commissars everywhere will kill you for slight talk aback

[storm jungle]

Flimsy.

[lament shoal]

If it sounds like an exaggeration, then it's the truth. Part of the imperium's theme is its massively over the top cruelty and and penchant for inefficiency and stagnation disguised as reliable practices

[storm jungle]

Yeah nothing the Imperium does is "understandable"

they are fascists

[wary fulcrum]

Yeah, when you take into account just how much space a single person takes by existing and standing still, the hives stop working

[celest dome]

At best the Commissar will avoid execution and favour lesser punishment, like flogging, but that's the best case scenario, plenty of them are still trigger happy (causing them to be killed by their regiment quite often enough)

[lament shoal]

take one fucking look at the administratum and tell me its "understandable" 😭

[storm jungle]

And as we know floggings historically also just created even more dissent too

[abstract vector]

If Ultramar fine, Roboute tried to be something better but its still worse off because its a exception not the rule

[storm jungle]

corporal especially physical punishment is not a good way to dicipline people lol

[storm jungle]

1 planet amidst gazillions

its still a shithole

[celest dome]

Ultramar is still hell for the vast majority iirc

[abstract vector]

*500 Worlds

[arctic sage]

y'all act as if there wouldn't be such a thing as a normal day anywhere for anyone in the imperium. yes on many planets the administration is up tight, and high strung, but not every world is a hive world, and not every world's gonna be as terrible as the rest. from what i understand the imperium doesn't really care how you run things, they only care that you don't allow heresy, allow xenos in, and you pay the imperial tithe

[wary fulcrum]

Pretty much this

The issue is that people take the anomaly as the norm

So Gaunt and Caine become the benchmark to which everything else is judged

[abstract vector]

IIRC Hive worlds in Ultramar isn't shitholes and they still have Echo Systems due to Roboute's Strict Rules

[queen laurel]

This empire is not that bad

[sacred ginkgo]

Paying the tithe means that everything sucks

[abstract vector]

BUT again thats exception not the rule

[wary fulcrum]

There would be a normal day, but their normal and our normal are very different

[sacred ginkgo]

Nowhere is normal

[daring creek]

99% of humanity is fucked

1% of humanity are nobles and are still fucked

[abstract vector]

majority are just horrible to lvie in

[storm jungle]

Every world has its brand of cruelty and you are very weird if you think otherwise, the Imperium is a cruel and terrible regime that sucks up and uses anything under its hold until it has no use for it.

Also actually they do care how you run things, active authoritarianism is encouraged because thats how you squeeze the best resources out of your populace.

I hate this dumb "not every world is awful" argument people always do for Imperium apologism

[sacred ginkgo]

Every single world they have even a minor presence on is either a fortification or a strip mine or a factory farm

[celest dome]

Agri world: Mono culture worlds that are polluted from heavy Chemical uses
Forge world: Worst word, covered from industrial pollution

[sacred ginkgo]

Nowhere is normal

[wary fulcrum]

Just watching Batman with the baby, so can’t grab the photo I want

But the latest book for Necromunda has everyone get an additional 7 shifts to work to celebrate Ozzy taking the throne

On top of their normal 7 shifts

[daring creek]

Well

suffering is normal

horribly fucking dying is normal

[storm jungle]

Said agriworlds btw

[daring creek]

yes.

[celest dome]

Fortress Worlds: Think of them as Military Junta worlds where the control is done with rifles and public/group executions

[lament shoal]

Bro I don't care how peaceful an imperial world is, its still run by the most cruel and evil regime imaginable. Even if you aren't slaving away in a factory or on the frontlines of some unnamed battlefield, you'll still be oppressed.

[sacred ginkgo]

Agri worlds usually have toxic atmospheres due to fertilizers and pesticides

[arctic sage]

better than chaos, still.

[sacred ginkgo]

That doesn't justify it

[storm jungle]

This is better than Chaos to you?

[celest dome]

Cathedral World: Tbh might be the best planets to live on, but still be able to be executed for offending some rules or other

[lament shoal]

It's literally not. The only difference between chaos and the imperium is that chaos doesn't try to hide how evil it is.

[daring creek]

the Imperium literally turns people to chaos lmao

[storm jungle]

Easy to keyboard warrior for the Imperium when you arent working as slave labor and choking on factory fumes.

lol

[celest dome]

Imperium is just Chaos but unbranded

[sacred ginkgo]

Sure being the People killers instead of the Orphan devourers makes you better but you still kill people

[storm jungle]

"erm guys nazi germany wasnt that bad"

[celest dome]

Make sense that the Emperor will coalesce into a new Chaos God

[daring creek]

You will sleep for 4-ish hours and work, everyday

[near wasp]

Factory fumes are part of a balanced breakfast

[daring creek]

no even less probably lmso

[wary fulcrum]

There are paradise worlds like, but you’d have to be born in the nobility for it to be paradise

[lament shoal]

The imperium has baby furnaces so I wouldn't say they're any better lol

[sacred ginkgo]

Gotta get that iron content

[arctic sage]

easy to keyboard warrior against the imperium too while hugging your tau body pillow.

[abstract vector]

tell that to the Moebians

[daring creek]

What argument do you even have at this point

[storm jungle]

^

[abstract vector]

[storm jungle]

also I dont even like Tau LMAO

[celest dome]

The locals still are slaves to the visitors and nobilities

[wary fulcrum]

And this is your bed and work station

[near wasp]

Wow your just dumb.

[sacred ginkgo]

That was such a non response

The tau also aren't good

[queen laurel]

you are ignoring every single argument we gave to you at this point you just don't wanna accept it

[storm jungle]

Was expecting this ngl

[abstract vector]

even if the Imperium uses ends justify the means its gonna be a horrible place to live

[sacred ginkgo]

They're a facist shithole

[lament shoal]

Dawg 3 of my top favorite factions come from the imperium. Its really not that hard to like a faction while also acknowledging how despicably evil it is

[celest dome]

Nah, the desk is used 24/7.
You're sleeping next to is while the other person is

[sacred ginkgo]

But in a somehow more immediately recognizable form

[storm jungle]

People that are blind to fascism always go out to defend it until they get the boot on their neck eventually.

[near wasp]

The Tau are also fucking evil. It came free with it being Warhammer. Everybody is evil

[daring creek]

Is it understandable to turn someone into a servitor

[celest dome]

No

[wary fulcrum]

Depends on the person

[daring creek]

I'm gonna skin you vro

That shit is 100% like locked-in syndrome

hell fuckin no

Not on my worst enemy

[wary fulcrum]

I’d happy sign the paperwork for a dozen people I know to get it right now

[queen laurel]

And before you say one more thing the creators of the setting themselves acknowledge that the Imperium is Horrible

[wary fulcrum]

I am also petty and spiteful however

It’s a character feature

[celest dome]

Death penalty is more morale than Servitorisation

[daring creek]

LITERALLY

Literally just murder every servitor you see

[wary fulcrum]

That’s a feature, not a bug

[daring creek]

you'll be doing them favors lmao

[lament shoal]

"Hmm yes, allowing nobles to have literal private Epstein islands and abuse the lower classes for fun is definitely for the survival of humanity. Glory to the Imperium."

[abstract vector]

commissar buffs the team

[near wasp]

They give the terror debuff with stops characters from fleeing

[arctic sage]

i just think there's a lotta' good reason the imperium is the way it is. after all, reason they use servitors is AI apparently can't be trusted. you can look at all the bad you want, but there's still good about it.

[sacred ginkgo]

Theres reason

Not good reason

[near wasp]

There's no good

[sacred ginkgo]

Lots of bad reason

[abstract vector]

No no pal

[sacred ginkgo]

Where's the good

Go find it for me

[abstract vector]

Dawn of War

Commissars give damage buffs yes

[queen laurel]

There's good people in the system the system isn't

[lament shoal]

There's nothing good about using lobotomized human slaves dude, wtf is wrong with you 😭

[daring creek]

There is good to slavery you say

[wary fulcrum]

Yeah I think the debate hinges on the us of ‘good’

Does the lore justify some of the decisions made?

It certainly tries to, but are they ‘good’? Not morally

[queen laurel]

The system is horrible

[daring creek]

I want you to step back and actually listen to what you just said

[lament shoal]

You're making excuses for literal slavery dawg

[abstract vector]

Focus on the pew pew laser

[queen laurel]

Homie please listen to yourself

[abstract vector]

We have total war 40k soon

[arctic sage]

oh come on, i'm sure at least a quarter if not 3 quarters of the lobotomized machine men were criminals before they got servitorized. plus some cultures within the imperium see it as a good thing to become a servitor, wierdly enough.

[abstract vector]

[storm jungle]

The entire "AI is evil" shit is stolen from Dune, do you now what did humanity do in Dune instead of resorting to something as horrific as servitors? They just made Mentats, people of free will who become biological computers that serve Houses that can just compute and do anything, and servitors are not needed when you can just leave their tasks to normal people, servitors are made because unquestioning slavery is easier for the Imperium.

Secondly, Ironkin exist in the Leagues of Votann.

Literal robots that havent rebelled in COUNTLESS millennia since the Leagues were made and the Kin treat them as complete equals, so your argument falls even shorter.

[sacred ginkgo]

Listen guys the nazis have some redeeming qualities they improved medicine after torturing people

[storm jungle]

What the fuck is wrong with you

LMAO

[daring creek]

Not to mention this form of slavery being 20x worse than actual slavery.

[storm jungle]

Lobotomizing a person because the ystole a loaf of bread is a good thing?

jesus christ

[sacred ginkgo]

The people who got fucking lobotomized don't

[queen laurel]

so if a planet sees it as a good thing to lynch someone as a sacrifice to the emperor it's OK

[daring creek]

SERVITORIZING SOMEONE TO DO BASIC MENIAL TASKS

[storm jungle]

Yeah okay

ive seen enough

[sacred ginkgo]

Shoot this guy

Now

[storm jungle]

I can leave apologism as long as it doesnt veer off but defending actual fucking lobotomic slavery is uhhhh

[near wasp]

Dude @arctic sage it's 2 am just go to bed before you actually say something even more brain dead and get banned

[daring creek]

I want to see his respons

e

pls

[sacred ginkgo]

Too late

[near wasp]

Oh nevermind

XD

[sacred ginkgo]

Its already over

[lament shoal]

You do realize that a "criminal" in the imperium's eyes can be a person who committed as minor of an act as say, asking for an extra cup of coffee, right??

[daring creek]

there has to be some break through

[wary fulcrum]

As someone who is all in favour of servotoring several people I know

It’s still fucking horrible to do, criminalisation is a societal choice. This game shows the ludicrous reasons you could be a servitor, someone bumping into you could have your arms replaced with a plunger and toilet brush and your entire brain rewired.

Remember, Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army. You know what I mean?

[queen laurel]

Dude one of the crimes that got you put in dark tide was complaining about the food

[sacred ginkgo]

Anyone want to take bets on how long it takes them to crop up in the modding discord?

[near wasp]

Anyways

[abstract vector]

depends on the rules i guess

[daring creek]

Why die on what can hardly be called a mound

[abstract vector]

perma or temp

[near wasp]

Justified

[lament shoal]

Dude even fucking CHARLIE KIRK was against using prisoners for manual labor. The fact that CHARLIE KIRK of all people has a better moral viewpoint on this than you do is INSANE

[abstract vector]

nah thats not worse

worse one is the background where your boss is paranoid and punished you

[near wasp]

Why are still trying dude your already banned stop wasting your time

[abstract vector]

I think it was the lose faith in superiors or something

[sacred ginkgo]

Wait i think I got it they might be a current lobotomy recipient

And quite enjoyed it

[arctic sage]

what can i say? it's a grimdark future in a fictional universe can't expect all the good guys to be your perfect bastions of justice.

[sacred ginkgo]

There aren't any good guys

[near wasp]

There's no good guys

[sacred ginkgo]

Anywhere

We don't want there to be

[near wasp]

You are actually a lobomite

[queen laurel]

there is no good guys only good people

[abstract vector]

Tau is lesser evil

[wary fulcrum]

There is the part about how some view it as a good thing for the likes of servo skulls to be fair

[queen laurel]

there's a difference

[sacred ginkgo]

Everyone is evil

Its why its fun

[arctic sage]

eh, i still see the imperium as the good guys. cause they're humanity.

[wary fulcrum]

We’re not talking about Orks though

[sacred ginkgo]

Pick your flavor and crime of choice and run with it

[arctic sage]

nah, orks ain't the good guys, they're just the only winners

[near wasp]

Humanity is cruel and vindictive

[sacred ginkgo]

Black legion is humanity

Why don't you defend them

[arctic sage]

black legion's chaos.

[queen laurel]

Dude serial killers are right there

[lament shoal]

Buddy its a satirical setting. Part of the whole point of a satire is for us to compare real world morals and ethics to it. The authors never have and never will intend for you to view anything that the imperium does as good or justified.

[daring creek]

human = good guy

[abstract vector]

alright everyone in this server are now Moebians

[sacred ginkgo]

Its made of humans

[queen laurel]

they're human but you know they ain't exactly paragons of humanity

[sacred ginkgo]

Humans and their demon friends

[abstract vector]

welcome to the sixth

[daring creek]

Please witness what humanity is doing to the planet

like

real life

not just present but in the past

[storm jungle]

What you say doesnt matter.

GW has made their opinion clear on the matter.

[daring creek]

and what we are doing to ourselves

[arctic sage]

eh.

[abstract vector]

Early Tau Empire

[sacred ginkgo]

Can you just kill this guy already he literally said the line

[storm jungle]

yeah what else did i expect lol

[lament shoal]

Jarvis, pull up that link

[near wasp]

Bye bye dumbass

[arctic sage]

not even fascist.

[near wasp]

Go join the sabbat fascist

[daring creek]

Isn't this person like 14 years old

[lament shoal]

Obliterated lol

[queen laurel]

did you read any warhammer books

[storm jungle]

Hes gone

lol

[queen laurel]

Give me one you're fully finished right now

damn it

[daring creek]

It feels like it takes a 14 year old to not understand any of this

[queen laurel]

oh well

[daring creek]

then again

[sacred ginkgo]

Ok bets start now how long until they get mad in the modding server

[daring creek]

my father has just as simplistic thinking

and hes 60

[near wasp]

New dilara slander video on the way

[storm jungle]

The moment he tried defend lobotomic slavery was kinda where i prob should have dropped the hammer but i wanted him to dig himself deeper sorry guys

[lament shoal]

Ngl I feel like banning him will only solidify his current opinion on this, but its too late now lol

[daring creek]

new?

[sacred ginkgo]

You do not walk away from this one

[storm jungle]

You cant change these people. They are molded to the views they have.

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/olga-orly-ace-attorney-apollo-justice-courtroom-snap-gif-27586472

[near wasp]

Yeah I've randomly come across videos straight up slandering her for justified bans

[storm jungle]

We had over 7 people here disagree with him and he stood as stalwart as a caveman with a smoothbrain

[sacred ginkgo]

Sorry for referring this guy here btw I was the one who encouraged him to direct his trolls question here

[storm jungle]

All good

[sacred ginkgo]

At least the evening entertainment was nice

Almost missed the weekly quota of brick heads

[wary fulcrum]

Oh so it’s your fault?!

Fire up the libtomiser

You know that’s something that would actually happen in the Imperium

[abstract vector]

Although Ultramar is gonna be the Reformed Route? GW might do it given Imperium is popular?

[queen laurel]

Hey it's not your fault, you didn't know you were leading an idiot

[daring creek]

I wonder what the Imperium would look like in Pyrovision

[sacred ginkgo]

I mean

I kinda did

But

[daring creek]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-tf2-meet-the-pyro-pyro-meet-the-team-gif-10141151171381150252

[sacred ginkgo]

It was funny

[queen laurel]

Hey you are right though

[sacred ginkgo]

Also, why is it that people with mid/bad gameplay takes end up as evil like half the time

[daring creek]

It was honestly astonishing

[lament shoal]

This is what the Seer psyker sees daily

[sacred ginkgo]

How does this keep happenening

[near wasp]

I was sitting here redirecting my stomach pain into word spears

[storm jungle]

ngl he had "American" in his name we prob should have known

[abstract vector]

Might is right and some countries wanted strong arm leaders

[daring creek]

literal slavery is okay because its humanity doing it, guys!

[storm jungle]

"They had it coming"
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/1452960796140241001/image.png?ex=694bb6b0&is=694a6530&hm=e78b47a32af6910bb4b1309ff4d937ca39b1adba4ee05c892785ad7f24a8e4e2&

[near wasp]

It was the malkiavian that gave it was because he was literally insane

[storm jungle]

LOL I WAS GONNA SAY

[abstract vector]

Actually

[sacred ginkgo]

What even is that

[wary fulcrum]

Who is Malkiavian?

[abstract vector]

What if its a good RP?
🤔

[storm jungle]

Insane schizophrenic vampires from Vampire the Masquerade RPG
@sacred ginkgo @wary fulcrum

[near wasp]

Its vampire the masquade and the entire clan is mentally ill

[abstract vector]

🤔
Lore accurate Malkavian?

[wary fulcrum]

Ah

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh neat

[storm jungle]

^

They are all insane yeah

like-

talking to STOP signs insane

or TV

[near wasp]

That's no fair I can't say the crazy word. Mod abuse

[storm jungle]

you cant say "schizo" you can say the full word, try it

[wary fulcrum]

Good conversation to be had tbf

They see all the fun shit

[storm jungle]

wasnt my call

[abstract vector]

I still can't believe that was a spoiler

[near wasp]

Oh

[storm jungle]

[sacred ginkgo]

What you all don't hold enlightening discourse with your silverware and knives

[near wasp]

Why the fuck does that make any Sense

[lament shoal]

Evidently, he did not in fact know what you meant

[storm jungle]

The mod argued "schizo" is too much of a mean word

so idk

i personally said it doesnt matter but whatever

[near wasp]

Whatever

[abstract vector]

Malkavian Lore

[daring creek]

it is ablest but yeah.

[storm jungle]

yeah that

[abstract vector]

RP too hard and it worked

[storm jungle]

but i argued most people use it as a joke

[wary fulcrum]

Nah. Those little bastards gossip too much

Tell a spoon how your day went and within 20 minutes the light bulb is laughing at you

[storm jungle]

but they didnt buy it lmao

[wary fulcrum]

Yeah, was verging on that

[sacred ginkgo]

I love this place's natural immune system

[storm jungle]

the ENTIRE CHAT jumping on him was hilarious tbh

[sacred ginkgo]

Dumbasses just get absolutely bullied

Everywhere

[near wasp]

Bro it's 2 am and I saw just jumping and just dogpiled

I should probably try and get more sleep

[lament shoal]

Personally I do think some of these people have the capacity to change, it just gets harder to help them do that the deeper they are into their beliefs. But there have been individuals like this who have managed to come back from the deep end as better people

[storm jungle]

This is also a showcase of why most warhammer servers suck, they very much do not trim this issue and let people like this stick around.

Like if i didnt ban that guy even with his "fine" personality yall would get in weekly arguments with him constantly

[daring creek]

Good Night Homosexuals. Hopefully I do not return in like an hour or 2.

[wary fulcrum]

Though that’s Dimension 20 Brendan dropping the most accurate societal observation I’ve seen since my grandad asked me ‘why do you think you get a choice’ when talking about avoid policing finding me using my tattoos by not being a criminal

[near wasp]

Something something eternal 2.0

[queen laurel]

That's enough for some peace then

[storm jungle]

LOL i meant worse people but yeah sure

Eternal was just an asshole

[sacred ginkgo]

Eternal was just an asshole not racist

[storm jungle]

^

[near wasp]

He just was weekly arguements

[storm jungle]

he literally said he knew eventually he'd get banned and i wasnt even the guy that did it

it was some other mod lmao

[queen laurel]

OK OK that's a bit of a reach like eternal was a cunt but like when he isn't being an cunt he was fun to talk to

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-ork-railgun-let-me-shoot-my-railgun-gif-9874737770595198769

[queen laurel]

i had fun conversations with him

[storm jungle]

because they had like multiple reports of him being a dickhead

since uhh

all his arguments boil down to:

"Who cares."

"Im right."

"Yall are stupid"

[queen laurel]

and the fact that it was the minecraft movie that ended it was kind of funny

[near wasp]

You all say this but I just refer to the arguements

Not that he was a fascist of anything

[sacred ginkgo]

Are they still fighting for their life over nothing in the iron warriors sub

[storm jungle]

Hes the worst kind of asshole. Where he isnt actively breaking rules but you just wanna slap him around.

[storm jungle]

Yes lmao

hes literally a daily redditor

and argues with people on r/grimdank

[queen laurel]

Yeah he's also on another server

I'm pretty sure

[sacred ginkgo]

Damn can I be that unemployed

[wary fulcrum]

So, still 40K lore linked

Got the new Necromunda book, and I know the writer so need to message them to squee

But in about 8 hours I’ll be neck deep in all 4 of them and you will all be getting weird tidbits

[near wasp]

Yes now go type an entire paragraph defending beast men in the guard

[wary fulcrum]

When I say I know people I want to Servitor

It’s these fuckers

[abstract vector]

which one?

[wary fulcrum]

Operation human shield?

[abstract vector]

Secundus if you want the Heist Missions

[sacred ginkgo]

Don't even try the first lobotomy failed

[wary fulcrum]

Book 4 of the Aranthian Succession

[abstract vector]

Seccundus is probably the best gameplay wise if you want exploration

ah ok

[near wasp]

They arnt human

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[wary fulcrum]

I was disappointed in the lore tbh, there’s so much there to play with and I felt they kind of rushed through it

[wary fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goon-dodgeball-movie-ben-stiller-white-goodman-gif-14923367

[abstract vector]

Really bullshit yeah

IIRC Less fleshing it out and more "Here is enemies, fuck off and explore NOW"

[storm jungle]

[near wasp]

Jesus fucking Crispy

.... Thanks auto correct

[wary fulcrum]

Yeah, I feel we could get a source book each of the Dust Wall, the Dead Zone and the Tower Cities and they’d be incredible

[storm jungle]

Honestly we probably will

let Munda cook

[wary fulcrum]

To be fair, his rule is he doesn’t kill peoplw

[storm jungle]

Yeah hes just burning down their nazi clubhouse

[sacred ginkgo]

I kinda like that absolute batman being a brick wall isn't even a style thing he's just like that

[near wasp]

He's batbrick

[storm jungle]

Its mostly a style thing, its even more exaggerated here due to the artist

[sacred ginkgo]

He killed a lot of those nazis

[abstract vector]

Kinda hated how I have to wait for another book set to flesh it out

But then again its same thing with Vigilus

we got 4 fucking books

Abaddon doesn't do shit and Haarken

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/carlomalis-carlo-malis-horror-the-gif-20156197

[storm jungle]

they are nazis its fine

[wary fulcrum]

Pretty much this

And we might not get it

The writer gets 3 options on what they want to do, but the way it works is that aside from a key point book (such as a box set or the House of books), then one or two of those options could have been sat there since 2017*

(2018-19 really)

[near wasp]

That was still a persons face that imploded

[storm jungle]

he'll ge tbetter

in a few months

hopefully never

[sacred ginkgo]

I hope his knee is OK after just

[lament shoal]

True, already seen it happen before

[sacred ginkgo]

Kneeing a set of knives he threw 5 seconds ago

Not his brightest of moments

[near wasp]

Pov Jake paul

[abstract vector]

wait

[wary fulcrum]

Love of the game

[abstract vector]

legally they can choose?

GW won't force them?

[wary fulcrum]

Yup

[abstract vector]

[storm jungle]

One of the hardest batman panels ever that 3rd pic

[lament shoal]

Here guys have a silly video I made from a garden warfare clip I got today

[near wasp]

Didn't know we were having chicken wings for dinner

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[abstract vector]

Call of Garden: Warzone Garden

[storm jungle]

anyway ill cease

[wary fulcrum]

They can be forced for certain things, like if a box set or updated rulebook is coming out, but there are two other books at least waiting since succession 4 came out

[sacred ginkgo]

(Besides the obvious) why are there pig masks

[lament shoal]

Lately I've been wishing GW would make a post on twitter stating something like "40k is a satire, the Emperor was evil, the imperium is evil, there are no good guys in the setting, stop coping."

[wary fulcrum]

But then the chuds will complain about how it was done

[sacred ginkgo]

They just need to make Titus murder a bunch of people in sm3

Like

A lot of people

Frequently

[wary fulcrum]

The Russian mission on cod

[near wasp]

They did

[abstract vector]

I don't think so

[near wasp]

It didn't do shit

[sacred ginkgo]

Make avoiding civilian FF a genuine hindrance

[abstract vector]

GW in this stage won't go No Russian

[lament shoal]

Ik. There needs to be MORE

[abstract vector]

same thing with how Activision half ass the new no russian

They can't go that too controversial or else it breaks their bottom line

[lament shoal]

Let them. Children always eventually stop crying after the boo boo stops hurting

[storm jungle]

Look at Arrowhead

they activel remind people EVERY. SINGLE. MAJOR ORDER. that super earth sucks

[abstract vector]

Titus won't do horrible shit to the Ultramarian Citizens or else GW will find another way to get income from the morbillion dollars

[storm jungle]

people sitll love them for it

[sacred ginkgo]

Arrowhead doesn't have a brick heavy enough for the skulls they have to hit

[wary fulcrum]

Oh, I was joking about the idiots who complain about female Custodes and hide it with ‘I don’t mind the change, it’s just how it was done’

It was done the same way as 90% of every other fucken lore change since inception

[lament shoal]

They need to make it even more obvious, because these people are illiterate. Its gotta be dumbed down for them at the lowest possible level

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-monkey-look-and-leave-yikes-monkey-look-and-leave-gif-14895670

[storm jungle]

i still cant blieve they referenced shit like the CECOT

[lament shoal]

Ah gotcha lol

[storm jungle]

that is nuts lol

[sacred ginkgo]

They will definitely have no shortage of material at the current rate of bullshit

[storm jungle]

100%

reality is always stranger than fiction

super-earth is also like depressingly evil lmao

[sacred ginkgo]

I should sleep I'm getting operated on tomorrow

Bye

[wary fulcrum]

Good luck

[near wasp]

Anyways back to bed

[abstract vector]

Space Marine III Titus Adventure or new characters?

[lament shoal]

Good luck!

[queen laurel]

Goodbye homie

[wary fulcrum]

…worryingly final

[surreal nest]

discovered a new low

warhammer fans quote the holocaust when referring to their IP

[wary fulcrum]

Victim complex is the White Man’s greatest strength

Source - I’m a white man

[queen laurel]

Hey I was saying goodbye them leaving not to the life force

[celest dome]

Is this about wokeism ?

[surreal nest]

i think accessibility?

maybe?

so yeah

[celest dome]

Bunch of crybabies

[wary fulcrum]

It’s about the culture war! Gottdangit man! Don’t you know how many keyboards have been pounded over this?!

[celest dome]

Only thing those dudes will ever pound in their life

[surreal nest]

aos fans cant have this level of toxicity because their IP is already woke

[storm jungle]

I'll forever be jealous of AOS/WHF fans

no nazi faction so they just infight in "my faction is coolest" instead

Such is the will of Nagash

[misty vector]

And there already are chaos warrior women

[surreal nest]

LOL TRUE

and stormcast

[rocky gale]

I read that as ASOIAF fans at first and was just thinking about how that community has people arguing in support of incest and that bastard's are inherently evil/untrustworthy

[storm jungle]

basically medieval courts IRL

LOL

[celest dome]

I remember a thread about GoT where one was arguing in favour of gelding people to make them into soldiers

[misty vector]

Real

[rocky gale]

Having someone look you dead in the eye and straight face telling you that having your parents be siblings makes you a better king

[storm jungle]

HER CHILDREN

ARE

BASTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARDS

https://tenor.com/view/house-of-the-dragon-vaemond-velaryon-wil-johnson-her-children-are-bastards-gif-27001038

[wary fulcrum]

So was 40K, chuds just don’t read the lore, they rely on YouTubers to tell them what to think

I saw someone posting Arch’s reaction to the SM2 SW

Arch, the actual out and out racist.

I’m posting codecis from 20 years ago that state it, 30 years ago that imply it, the og white dwarf article which states Fenris isn’t just an ice planet

‘Nah, YouTuber says different’

[surreal nest]

i think 40k has the issue of "its satire" but also "these nazis do some COOL ASS SHIT"

[storm jungle]

Reminder that Asmoncunt is a literal openly racist, sexist pro-fascism dipshit and nobody is offput by anything he says.

[celest dome]

The ratclock dude ?

[storm jungle]

Same guy that has said Palestine deserves to get genocided because they dont "appeal or try to match Western Values"

[storm jungle]

the poxwalker yeah

[celest dome]

Not surprised

Always meld him with the dude who VA'd for Sonar

[storm jungle]

he also said you should take the voting rights away from 80% of the population and decide whats good for them, and that eventually they will thank you

[rocky gale]

The blood wall guy

[rocky gale]

Na Moist is actually cool

[celest dome]

Ye, but they look somewhat similar so I confuse them

[storm jungle]

Yeah Moist is a good guy

and i say this as a hater

[surreal nest]

good guy but also a centrist most of the time

[rocky gale]

Dude like actively goes out of his way to make videos calling out the shitty behaviour he sees not for clout or drama but because it pisses him off

[celest dome]

Is that meant to be a bad thing ?

[rocky gale]

Huh?

[celest dome]

Calling thing out for clout/drama is worse no ?

[rocky gale]

Yes that's what I was saying

I wasn't saying it was a bad thing

[storm jungle]

At least it isnt Obama tier 😩

[undone elm]

it's funny to me that asmongold is one of the first images that show up when you look up nurgle

[storm jungle]

"Erm guys we should just not focus on people being abducted on the streets"

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

fucking hell

I legit cannot believe this man had SCURVY in the 21st CENTURY

actual fucking poxwalker

[surreal nest]

genuinely how does he have viewers tho?

like avid chatters that act as foot soldiers

How>

[storm jungle]

Hes a grifter

He appeals to the extreme ideologies and covers recent topics

[surreal nest]

he covers things???

in what? slime?

[storm jungle]

Yes

also sits and watches them like a caveman

and goes

"HAHAHA"

"WOKE!"

[abstract vector]

dont be shocked he has house reveals

[surreal nest]

i thought he would change when his dad died but he just got more evil

[abstract vector]

thats where the ratclock meme started

[storm jungle]

this is the same guy that has openly said he is disgusted or cant play a game when he has a female character that he must control btw

[rocky gale]

I remember he told a story about how when his toilet broke he just started pissing in the shower for years instead of fixing it because he never used it anyway

[undone elm]

where did he shit then

[abstract vector]

Anywhere

[surreal nest]

pants

[rocky gale]

There was another bathroom, that one was just closer

[abstract vector]

Like I heard he livestreams his own room

You would physically vomit at at the amount of mess surrounds him

[storm jungle]

^

the memes of how FILTHY he is arent jokes

hes a fucking walking disease

[abstract vector]

again do not watch room reveals

[storm jungle]

he has literal cockroaches on his walls

[abstract vector]

I heard it from friends and I avoid his streams

💀

[storm jungle]

ONE CRAWLED OVER HIM ONCE DURING STREAM

[undone elm]

having a cluttered room is one thing, but having it be an actual biohazard is like

[storm jungle]

[undone elm]

how

[storm jungle]

dude

he had scurvy

do you need to ask

[abstract vector]

Same thing with Japan

Neet?

Living in filth and somehow survived only this time its a streamer

[misty vector]

i heard he would rub blood of his gums and smear it on the wall of his bed

[celest dome]

Wasn't it his shower wall ?

Not that it make it better

[wary fulcrum]

Starting to feel this guy just needs a doctor

Depends on the doctor

Servitors need doctors as part of the process

What?

[abstract vector]

In seriousnees He does need help, theres a medical term for people who hoards items and enjoy the filth

I forgot the name, but its gonna be bad to be literal Nurgling in your own house

💀

[rocky gale]

Diogenes syndrome

[abstract vector]

that one yeah

horrible way to live

[hallow saddle]

diogenes was a legend

[rocky gale]

Nerds who actually play 40k hows this list looking?

[copper patrol]

orbs of unlife

that's what I call my

[rocky gale]

Dont

https://tenor.com/view/loki-dont-just-dont-stop-gif-23310589

[copper patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/847815813300879360/1276072753488855171/smileybeef_-_1824476702992376093.gif

[shadow plover]

Seems decent enough, can't recall what pactbound zealots did but you ought to have decent survivability at least

I'd maybe combine the termisquads to a single squad to benefit from the leaders better

I presume they can take both Lord and Sorcerer

[rocky gale]

Not together

And leaders can only join a squad if it's got the same god mark

So if I want Khorne and Nurgle for both leaders I need two separate squads of those marks for them to join

[shadow plover]

Right, I was thinking how marines can take cap + some other hq options for most squads, presumed csm had a similar option

[rocky gale]

It might I'm not sure, but the god marks make it impossible regardless

[shadow plover]

Yeah, I'd consider using the same god mark if you can have them in a single squad with both leaders, but otherwise this will do

[rocky gale]

I lose their wargear if I do that though

[shadow plover]

Though maybe I'd squeeze in a squad of renegade militia (cultists) or whatever they were called as a backline scorer

[rocky gale]

Enhancement I mean

[shadow plover]

are the enhancements worth the split up? Can't recall what those did

[rocky gale]

Doesn't look like you can double leader anyway

[abstract vector]

split up is better objective control

Better you can spread out and take the objective and kill targets

full squad is ok because you can have better firepower

[shadow plover]

Yeah but getting the most out of your leaders is even better, but that doesn't really matter if you can't have them both in the same squad

iirc cultists had sticky objecives so they'd make sense for that alone in smaller sized games

[abstract vector]

Blooded is better than cultist

I think they also have obj control too?

their weapons can atleast kill someone

[shadow plover]

you don't need cultists to kill anything, they're there to be the cheapest possible objective controller

[rocky gale]

Blooded?

[shadow plover]

50 points for sticky objectives is very good

traitor guardsmen squad I presume

[abstract vector]

Traitor Guardsmen

[rocky gale]

Oh no they don't have sticky

They get cover while on objectives

[shadow plover]

yeah they don't but cultists do

so imo cultists are a lot better

traitor guardsmen only hit on 4+ anyways so you don't need them for their better guns

[dapper gyro]

Expendable units overrunning objective, quite a few army lists in 40K use this strategy.

Marines scout used to be able to do that with shotgun. Sisters repentia is kind of infamous.

[shadow plover]

if the match has two deployment zone objectives, the optimal play would probably be to deploy cultists on which ever doesn't have better cover from line of sight, and then moving them to the other one as quickly as possible whilst having the first one stay as a sticky

then hope the enemy doesn't have deepstrike

or leave the predator somwhere about

the opponent probably doesn't care for a couple cultists and won't waste a round of shooting on them if you're lucky

[rocky gale]

What do I drop to afford them though?

[shadow plover]

was about to say the helbrute and take another legionaries squad with them, but that goes over by 10 points doesn't it

is 10 legionaries 180 or less?

legionaries are 170 in 10 men squads so you could do that if you don't feel like the helbrute is essential (it is a cool model, so I'd understand that)

mark of slaanesh gave you the advance and charge stratagem iirc? I'd put the extra 5 on that squad and advance them quickly to somewhere essential

[rocky gale]

Hmmm

That works

[rocky gale]

So

[dapper gyro]

Every time I see an army list, I see "Oh wallet"...

[rocky gale]

The only part id need to buy for this list is a Predator I think

Oh no id need 5 more legionnaires

[dapper gyro]

My wallet becomes hand warmer just by reading that.

[surreal nest]

Who was fella with the slaves to darkness army here

[celest dome]

When in doubt, ping @rose thorn

[surreal nest]

Im trying to decide how to build these fellas for darkoath marauders

[wary fulcrum]

Sword and board

Do a unit of Savagers

[surreal nest]

Oh yeah i'll do at least 10 great weapons for sure

Im just deciding if I wanna reinforce rn

[rocky gale]

Weapon choices don't matter much in the current edition, AoS unified the weapon rules for most of the units

So like the Darkoath will have maybe 2-3 different weapon options to build them with, but they'll only have one weapon option in the rules

Think the riders might be an exception though not sure

[surreal nest]

Oh I know in the battlescroll they are just "raider weapons"