40k-lore-chat

[opaque coyote]

But if I don't have the overwhelming threat of being sent to a place of fire and brimstone.

Then how else would I be convinced to not kill people?

actual argument I've heard btw

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/phenomaman-dispatch-dispatch-game-ravannacries-gif-6337929989348324760

It kinda reminds me of the shit people say for 40k factions

"Erm akshually we cant apply our modern views to-"

"Well akhsually good and evil are not constant-"

Yes they are fucking are.

lmao

Evil is evil.

[arctic talon]

Do you think he was on meds

[storm jungle]

jesus christ lmao

[arctic talon]

When he was here

So that’s why he didn’t fly

lol

[storm jungle]

Meds called life unfortunately

[arctic talon]

Heavily medicated disables his flying

lol

[opaque coyote]

Yesn't.

Generally, murdering people is bad.

Generally helping people is good.

The in-between is weird. Trolley problems and all that.

Luckily we don't have to consider that since 40k is far from grey

Even basic predators don't try to kill each other 24/7

[storm jungle]

[opaque coyote]

40k is worse than nature

That's the entire point

[urban spire]

the trolley problem is also very uncomplicated

[opaque coyote]

It's the fucking worst outcome ever

[urban spire]

if action to save lives is easy, inaction is bad

[opaque coyote]

It's something to be added onto. Like "What if it's a kid vs 5 old men"

Type of shit

Of course the right answer all along is multi track drifting

[urban spire]

weird hypotheticals

very un-enamoured with weird hypotheticals

[opaque coyote]

Again

Multi track drifting

Have the trolley spin

Get 6 kills instead of 5

[urban spire]

"what if you had to say the n slur or someone would step on a baby" what if you had more than 2 brain cells to bang together

[opaque coyote]

Increase K/D ratio

[wary fulcrum]

I love how you’ve identified the ‘evil’ answer and your issue is that it’s not evil enough

[opaque coyote]

And that is basically 40k

There is no area for weird hypotheticals

Because somebody already fucked up the track and the trolley is now gonna explode killing us all

[wary fulcrum]

I mean, am I saying it to the baby?

[opaque coyote]

(very important)

But yeah, generally 40k is meant to be evil.

You aren't called Grimdark

For having people who are completely good

And even if there was, they will die

[urban spire]

it aint nobel brite

[opaque coyote]

Although tbf, I do think 40k would be more interesting with a bit more good mixed in.

Light to make the shadows more apparent

It's a hard balance though

[urban spire]

i agree

[surreal nest]

5 old men

[urban spire]

see i don't have an onion on that because i don't need to have an onion on that

[opaque coyote]

Like I know that the T'au were never good. Even at their conception.

But I do think that they are a nice change of pace. As they don't commit war crimes daily

...

Just monthly instead

Gotta keep a tight schedule

[surreal nest]

Tyranids never commit war crimes

[urban spire]

i like the tau for the same reason i like reading about the soviet union

[surreal nest]

[urban spire]

deeply flawed but so hopeful

[opaque coyote]

I mean they actually have. Hell, the Hivemind even enjoys being cruel

[urban spire]

the grimdark comes from when they fuck it up

[surreal nest]

Yeah but cruel≠war crime

[wary fulcrum]

Technically correct

Which is the best kind of correct I suppose

[surreal nest]

Tyranids dont have Geneva my reddit contarian wins

[opaque coyote]

Tbf I doubt any faction has committed war crimes legally since it's not like the Geneva convention exists anymore

[urban spire]

strictly speaking 40k doesn't have war crimes since there's no geneva convention, so it's safe to assume we're judging them by modern standards not 40k standards

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-technically-correct-technically-correct-best-kind-gif-1003665987735080676

[surreal nest]

Damn thats even more contrarian I got fucking punked

[storm jungle]

Tbh we are suppose to judge them by our modern standards

GW said as much in their one warhammer community post

[surreal nest]

There goes GW changing canon again!

[storm jungle]

its that damn rogue woke intern

[surreal nest]

They made my political interpretation of warhammer woke!

[wary fulcrum]

Does 40K pretend that WWI Canada doesn’t exist?

Or was that when Emps was testing out the VIIIth legion protocol?

[opaque coyote]

Also I am still salty that there isn't more details about the auxiliaries.

They don't even need to be on the tabletop just give us actual designs and details for more of them at least.

[lament shoal]

Should've specified, I meant the upper spires of a hive. Like they've been fighting for weeks on end and got pushed back into the upper spires by the enemy, and now they're starting to make their last stand, the deciding battle that will determine who is ultimately victorious

[opaque coyote]

I'm not sure if the Imperium even knows about WW1 and WW2 at all

[lament shoal]

Also gave them battle damage for this too

[opaque coyote]

The only two people who would know about it are dead and super dead

[wary fulcrum]

Oh, I’m more joking about how fucking terrifying Canada was during WWI

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah 100%

[urban spire]

come to think of it isn't the emperor from around that region

or was he from anatolia or

[opaque coyote]

I think he's Anatolian?

[urban spire]

fuck it that shit's not canon

[wary fulcrum]

Anatolian, Canadian some or less

[lament shoal]

He's a Turk lmao

[opaque coyote]

@storm jungle

https://tenor.com/view/turkey-guy-turk-chad-fast-buff-gif-17075645

[wary fulcrum]

I think they use the same bases like, or at least they will, Haera and Aranthus seem to have the normal ZM bases

[surreal nest]

Chatters how should I proxy this model with the new Marauders

[urban spire]

there he is

the emperor himself

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/tag-turkish-car-happy-dance-gif-17367602

[surreal nest]

This is the most bleak color pallete ive ever seen

[lament shoal]

I looked up the munda bases and they're all metal industrial looking, which gives more lower hive vibes

[opaque coyote]

Tbf Necromunda is shitty even for hive standards

[urban spire]

yeah idk if that's advent children or the remake

but ff7 is kinda bleak

[surreal nest]

You should check out greenstuff world they have rollers

[opaque coyote]

So the upper hives might look like lower hives

[surreal nest]

Most definitely have some cool floor rollers

[opaque coyote]

Which is funny to think that it's physically that shitty

[wary fulcrum]

Do 20 as normal Raiders

10 as Savagers and out her in there (so 4 sword and board, 2 great weapons, 1 flail, leader and her)

[urban spire]

i've been reading about necromunda

[opaque coyote]

That even compared to other shit

It's shit

[urban spire]

i thought it was just gang warfare on the lower levels, fool that i am

but no, it's gang warfare all the way up

officially sponsored and sanctioned

[wary fulcrum]

Yeah but GW are using them for the Spire too

There next campaign is set there

If you fancy waiting until the 20th ish I’ll try to get some pictures of any art there?

[surreal nest]

🧠 🫡

[lament shoal]

I'll check them out rn, ty

[wary fulcrum]

Everyone has heelies

[opaque coyote]

I know that it's really sponsoring in terms of like supplying weapons, troops, etc

But I can't help but think

"BEFORE WE GET THIS BATTLE STARTED, TODAY'S GANG WAR IS SPONSORED BY DISPLA-"

[wary fulcrum]

I’ve seen people paint the new spyrer suits like that

[urban spire]

IT IS KINDA LIKE THAT THOUGH

[opaque coyote]

(don't buy from displate btw they're trash)

They steal art

[wary fulcrum]

It’s legit that

There’s ’expected levels of violence’ and if you don’t reach it the government is pissed

[opaque coyote]

Not even getting the original artist's permission

[opaque coyote]

So if they feel like the war is too quiet do they just like

Airdrop explosives and guns

Like the battle is equivalent to a slow urban crawl and they want to speed things up

[wary fulcrum]

They politely remind everyone to kick off a little bit

(politely is a euphemism for very fucking violently)

[urban spire]

basically the gangs are sponsored by and directed by the houses

[opaque coyote]

So basically if say

A gang's forces is entrenched and they do a siege

But as a result there isn't enough violence

Do they just force them to attack

[wary fulcrum]

The enforcers would like to have a word

[urban spire]

and all the industry in the hives is fair game for the gangs as long as they don't disrupt it

[lament shoal]

That would be great, thank you!

[wary fulcrum]

Or they just half oxygen in the dome for a few hours until everyone finds their vim and vigour

[opaque coyote]

Worker #2810 sighing as his factory goes through yet another shooting (second one today)

How TF do they not disrupt it though

Like I assume the workers just continue working but like

Is there a rule to try to avoid shooting the workers?

What counts as disrupting industry?

[wary fulcrum]

This is from the Lapland show in The UK

That is the elf’s desk and his bed

And it is inadvertently the most Necromunda coded thing I’ve ever seen in the wild

[opaque coyote]

Like is blowing up a factory fair game?

And if it's not, then is there a limit, since accidents do happen. And no matter how Grimdark it is, you can't just execute your ENTIRE force everytime they hit a factory by accident

[wary fulcrum]

There’s an implication they’re almost a currency

Like, most of the factorums are in the Hive City to start, and generally it’s a change in management, your overseer with the metal saw Mohawk and leather dog collar starts wearing leopard print leggings and pink high heels instead

And rather than making boltgun rounds you’re not assembling lasgun rounds

[opaque coyote]

I mean they probably could but not the entire army in the battle

Maybe the guy on the artillery

[opaque coyote]

So they're basically points of capture

Actually Necromunda gang wars as a pvp game sounds fun as shit

Pick a house and fight for them

Factories act as the objective check points

[wary fulcrum]

As a video game?

It wasn’t.

I don’t know how they fucked it up, but they managed

They got Mordheim right, but fucked up Nexromunda

[opaque coyote]

God dammit Gw

Like

SM1, SM2, Rogue Trader, Mechanicus, and Darktide are the only 40k games they didn't completely fuck up after DoW2

The rest are legit just flops because of serious flaws

[arctic talon]

I mean it basically is

The gangs and clan houses share names for a reason

[opaque coyote]

Necromundan Mr. Beast

Please

[storm jungle]

this is why Necromunda's opening textcrawls also cover these lol

theres shit like Helmawr publicly congradulating people on increased gang violence

[opaque coyote]

Is it treated like how companies brag about their "highest quarter this year"

Only to immediately lay off like 30000 workers

[urban spire]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Beast

[arctic talon]

Yes basically

[storm jungle]

yes

[arctic talon]

But no lay off

[wary fulcrum]

I don’t blame GW for this one, it was the guys who did the Mordheim game, which again is really good once you get the hang of it

But they introduced PVP badly

I can’t remember the exact details, but they limited it to 5 gangers per side (my Chaos Mordheim band has 14 I think?) they wouldn’t let you do a campaign against friends, and capturing a place was more or less a blurb and that’s it

[arctic talon]

One of my players in cyberpunk red is playing as a Rocker, except she’s a live streamer

[opaque coyote]

...

Yeah holy shit that is lame

[wary fulcrum]

These are the best parts of the book for me

[storm jungle]

They are SO fucking funny

it feels like those twitter posts Mr Orange makes

[arctic talon]

Anything with Helmwar is hilarious

[storm jungle]

"THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION IN THIS MATTER"

"NOW GET BACK TO FUCKING WORK"

[opaque coyote]

Would be more coherent

And also probably less offensive

[storm jungle]

to be fair

[opaque coyote]

Yes even though it's 40k

[storm jungle]

Helmawr probably has people proofread or write his speeches

Orange on the other hand uh prob not

[opaque coyote]

That's also a plus

[wary fulcrum]

Also, the whole helot thing

They’re chained to their work stations and sleep beneath them

[opaque coyote]

Helmawr for president

[storm jungle]

dude the Rift event for Munda is so funny

enforcers just going to those stations and chaining people BACK to their work stations

[opaque coyote]

That's just being an Amazon worker

[storm jungle]

and just locking or welding them in

and forgetting they exist

lmao

[opaque coyote]

I will never forget the Amazon concept that's literally just locking workers in a box

[storm jungle]

Its not locking

its just

[arctic talon]

GET BACK TO WORK

[storm jungle]

"step inside and scream/cry it all out the nget back to work"

[wary fulcrum]

Did you see the Orlock one?

A load escaped from prison and joined their gangs during the chaos kick off when the lights went out

And the gangs handed them back in

[lament shoal]

Bezos would love Necromunda

[storm jungle]

YEP, again the writing is peak

[arctic talon]

Orlock moment

lol

[storm jungle]

I always show people shit like that whe nthey say Orlock is one of the better gangs

like-

their entire dynasty

runs on industrial chain slavery

lol

[arctic talon]

Nah

[opaque coyote]

House Amazon

[arctic talon]

They’re not lol

[opaque coyote]

💀

[arctic talon]

Orlock is as evil as the rest tbh

[storm jungle]

Its probably due to how Orlock's leather biker gimmick is not as forefront

compared to like

aztec amazons

and batman banes with mohawks

so less evil appearance mojo lol

[opaque coyote]

I mean this is the design they patented

[surreal nest]

THE AMAZON WAGE SLAVE CAGE

[arctic talon]

Tbh the bits on them treating their overseers and high level workers well may trick people

[opaque coyote]

YEAH

[arctic talon]

But I think people don’t realize orlock loves slave labor for everything else

lol

[opaque coyote]

Classic keys of power management

Treat your pillars right

And they will help you keep the builders in line

[wary fulcrum]

Gangers too

gangers are relatively free

And some drudges are recruited to be gangers

That creates the impression of upwards mobility

A bit like how Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg, Gates, all built their empires with nothing but gumption and a garage

I need to get me one of those garages

[lament shoal]

Crime lord run has been fun so far

[urban spire]

i think if they ever implement these, we can drop the wage part

[wary fulcrum]

Tbh I like Orlocks

It’s the Mad Max stuff

Though Wez from Road Warrior is a Corpse Grinder

[opaque coyote]

"Remember, here at the Orlock House, we are a family."

(A violent, dysfunctional, abusive family)

[wary fulcrum]

My crew before my house
My house before any other

Literally their motto

[lament shoal]

Escher is the drugs one right?

[wary fulcrum]

Orlocks are the guys selling their own freed slaves who came to help them back into slavery!

[arctic talon]

Yeah def

[wary fulcrum]

All female chem dealers

Like, males don’t survive infancy (except that one guy in Terminal Overkill who I feel should have been a much bigger thing than he was)

[arctic talon]

Yeah that dude is weird

lol

[urban spire]

escher is cool with trans women which is nice

[wary fulcrum]

Feels like one of those fringe cases that got too much attention

Like Caine and Gaunt

They’re supposed to be the fringe commissars who’re weird and no one else is like them

They have more books and words than any other human character, let alone commissar

[arctic talon]

Yep

[arctic talon]

They’re recruited externally which would put them lower hierarchy wise initially

But yeah

[wary fulcrum]

I feel most would be, outside of Cawdor

And Cawdor would be accepting to a degree, but they think women in general are icky

[urban spire]

i can think of a lot of trans women off the top of my head who would love to be low in the hierarchy of very muscular dangerous lesbians

[arctic talon]

Escher doesn’t recruit men outside of hanger ons/mercs

So they could be TERFs/j

[wary fulcrum]

They get on with Orlock though, and I believe they’ve traded gangers in the past but I can’t remember if I read that or heard it

[arctic talon]

Yeah

They usually trade gangers as like, not normal gangers tho

But they’re probably the 2 most closely tied clan houses

[wary fulcrum]

Well, aside from Delaque and everyone else 👀

[arctic talon]

lol

You know what I mean

[opaque coyote]

Y'know

What I find funny is that this:

https://youtu.be/NNv2RHR62Rs?si=WhFk4eablMsh7kRn

Was originally meant to be a battle theme, after all it's called March of the Gladiators.

This means that there is a non zero chance that some Khornate warrior decided to make this his theme song

(He has no idea why clown elves are joining in the battle with him)

[wary fulcrum]

(I have a gang of clown Goliaths and I use this when playing

Their Iron Crawler has been inspired by Sweet Tooth)

[opaque coyote]

Overall if the 2020's was a theme song, this would be it

[urban spire]

remember to sample the ceaseless screaming from the ocean biology depts

[opaque coyote]

The Harlequins pulling up to the Imperial Palace: https://youtu.be/VxdGs6XIB6w?si=FBhTC_gJZpheL9OX

[humble shoal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzWsLaolyLw

[opaque coyote]

God I wish string storm wasn't a POS

[humble shoal]

same

[plush mason]

hell this might just be the theme song for the current century and the previous one

[daring creek]

It's crazy how it was repurposed.

and I can actually hear the military nature of it..but its so overtaken by my associations

[wary fulcrum]

I read somewhere (but I didn’t bother verifying so may be nonsense) that the repurpose was deliberate and spiteful

[daring creek]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrance_of_the_Gladiators

This has a much better version of it

Feels much more regal

very nice

[rose thorn]

String storm

[daring creek]

I see that emote uses Jennys dead name

Lets kill Maggie.

[lament shoal]

I honestly can't wait to paint him because he looks so cool lol

[surreal nest]

I ruined my kasrkin sniper by dousing him in mud

Worth it

[languid meadow]

I fucking wish he wasn't a PoS because no one else makes battletech music like that

[near wasp]

Pisses me off how the Internet basically forgave him.

[arctic talon]

He only solicited minors /j

💀

Awful

[tough haven]

https://youtube.com/shorts/-RXe86Xbbq4?si=I8lrNqVX0tf9jN2G

I feel like 40k fans would genuinely say this if you asked them

"The Emperor was always there for me"

[celest cedar]

Frip Frop genuinely doing better marketing than FS

[tough haven]

Its so fucking good

[opaque coyote]

I think part of it was how

When something went wrong in the collessium

Either due to the gladiators not being ready, the random animal for a cage match being unruly, etc.

Whatever the case

Clowns came out to basically distract the audience

[surreal nest]

Do stormcast eternals have a chaff unit in lore like the slaves to darkness marauders? Or do they just run pure stormcasts in their battles

Would they just use cities of sigmar people?

[abstract vector]

Tabletop wise City of Sigmar iirc

they dont have chaff units but legally you can take cities of Sigmar as “Allies”

[opaque coyote]

Well known but still funny

Also apparently Rogue Trader has rules for cars

I thought of why there's rules for bringing a sports car in what's basically a war game. But apparently somebody suggested that due to 40k... literally just fucking releasing. Not many people would have the proper figurines.

So therefore they made rules for stuff like cars for that.

...either that or they just thought it'd be funny.

[abstract vector]

IIRC GW encouraged Kitbashing

[opaque coyote]

...

[abstract vector]

It came to a point they kitbashed from other toys are allowed

[opaque coyote]

Well now I just feel kinda sad since the attitude from GW now is

Way different

[opaque coyote]

Also it's funny to imagine somebody bringing a full guardsman army

And they're like

"Hey what did you bring?"

brings out a line of car toys

[abstract vector]

Cars are now canon

or at worse they kitbash the Toystory models

[arctic talon]

Stormcast only unless they’re reinforcing cities of sigmar

Otherwise it’s stormcast only. Same way as some Slaves to darkness forces that are chaos warriors only

[tough haven]

Hmm, wonder who that could be....

A certain tattooed fanatic?

[fervent geode]

A certain God on a certain Throne perhaps

A throne of brass and skulls maybe

[celest cedar]

i think the Fanatic has dreams about Khorne

[opaque coyote]

Again, I am of the camp that both Tzeentch and the Emperor are constantly speaking in the guy's head

but the psyker cannot discern who is who

considering the dreamer... uh

already has a shaky grip on reality

but either way, this works

"...I didn't tell him to do it. Did you?"

"Nah! Too brutish! I would totally do something funnier? Or maybe not..."

[tough haven]

Nah I think it’s just all the different shards of the emperor pulling him in different directions

[opaque coyote]

Considering the dreamer appeared in Tzeentch's palace in a dream

You can argue how much influence tzeentch has over the dreamer, but he definitely tried at least once

[tough haven]

I mean, he wouldn’t be Tzeench if he didn’t try at least once on every psyker

There’s a lot of lines where seer warns other rejects to not trust the chaos gods though

[tough haven]

Tf you mean bro, he’s already in a dream rn?? On tertium, killing heretics with you lovely fellows

[burnt maple]

So, in the end Settra is weak?

[queen laurel]

settra versus the demigod that made necromancy

ask yourself

[sacred ginkgo]

I wouldn't exactly say someone is weak if their last moments were defying a god and then getting folded

[queen laurel]

yeah

also again demigod and creator of necromancy

[burnt maple]

I am used to old lore Nagash...

[storm jungle]

wdym old lore nagash

😩

[sacred ginkgo]

"I own your soul dumb fuck pipe down"

[queen laurel]

Literally

this

[sacred ginkgo]

Followed by the sound of a crunching can

[queen laurel]

Settra is undead nagash created necromancy

[raven stone]

There are things in life that we genuinely wish didn’t resemble 40k lore.
This is one of them…and it isn’t even right wing politics (which can be averted by people stop being stupid)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgmy90z991o

[shadow plover]

How does it take that long to spot something like that

[abstract vector]

I heard Testing is very strict but sometimes cracks or slip ups happen.

[opaque coyote]

💀

[abstract vector]

Test range from checking about Transmittable diseases, Heridity related dieseases like Alzheimers and etc

[opaque coyote]

Well kids

Good luck having chemo

[opaque coyote]

Tbf in general, you're testing donor sperm

And that's like

A lot to test

[abstract vector]

Yeah

[opaque coyote]

[abstract vector]

It is very strict

[opaque coyote]

Of course a slip up would happen

It just so happens that it was

The worst possible slip up ever

[raven stone]

One fifth of the guy’s sperms had the cancer causing mutation

[opaque coyote]

...still better than the guy who got an organ transplant

And the donor happened to have rabies

[raven stone]

I wonder if these incidents and alike are what GW use to write mutation horrors based on.
Like yes, I know one half of it is supposed to be satire against right wing eugenics policies and such.
But given how GW, weirdly enough, always make mutations debilitating and horrible to consider as a life thing…

[fervent geode]

Well depends on the mutation

Psykers are fine assuming they are sanctioned(black ships still suck i know, and unsanctioned psykers uhhh (die))

[abstract vector]

Its probably they look up Medical Horror they see in the news

[fervent geode]

Navigators wield power even

[opaque coyote]

Tbf, it depends, but generally...

It's the equivalent of people being born with screwed up genetics

[abstract vector]

Heredity diseases are no joke

[opaque coyote]

I doubt it is the child's fault for now having a 90% chance to get cancer

[fervent geode]

Yes

[opaque coyote]

[fervent geode]

Horrible stuff

[abstract vector]

Something out of your control and one medical slip up cause broken families

[fervent geode]

Tbh they gotta tighten screening if literal cancer and rabies are making it thru

[opaque coyote]

Basically Grimdarkness

Mutations are just the equivalent of looking fuck ugly

Mixed with idk cancer or something

[abstract vector]

Probably at worse degration over time

I think that can happen

[fervent geode]

Having no choice, born into suffering

[raven stone]

Yea, cases like this show we don’t need right wing stupidity for the Grimdark alright…

[abstract vector]

You look healthy but like getting old alzheimers can be detected too early or too late

💀

[opaque coyote]

Basically

You lost the fucking dice roll

Fuck you

[abstract vector]

It could be same thing

[fervent geode]

Yeah

[abstract vector]

They didnt detect early on and he is too healthy. But degraded overtime then heredity happens

💀

[shadow plover]

I can see it getting pasts test before any births but how did they continue using these samples so long that they had almost 200 affected children? At least what I've heard, they're very strict on continuing using the same samples if prior children have formed any health issues early on

[abstract vector]

it could be by batches?

Lets say they fertlizes them at the same time and not one by one

That could happen

[opaque coyote]

Honestly because I am dirty minded

And also very tired

[fervent geode]

That would be disastrous

[opaque coyote]

For a sec I almost thought that it was somebody who legitimately just fucked 200 women and he was just unlucky with his sperm

[shadow plover]

patches of multiple dozen children? the amounts make no sense

[opaque coyote]

[raven stone]

The use was not centralised…it is sent to 14 different countries(!) clinics

[fervent geode]

Slaaneshi stuff

[raven stone]

Only the donation collection was centralised.

[abstract vector]

Yeah

the real horror is doctor’s planning

[fervent geode]

Seems unsafe

[opaque coyote]

Let's go gambling!

[shadow plover]

but there has to be some communication back from the successful incubation still

[abstract vector]

It could be worse

[fervent geode]

This is an insane blunder regardless

[abstract vector]

doctors either didnt write their reports properly or the kids degradation happens when they grow up

[opaque coyote]

"minor mishap"

[opaque coyote]

To be honest

It's likely the latter

Which is why they probably just noticed

[fervent geode]

Minor mishap, 2k lives ruined

[abstract vector]

Sort of “They’re birth healthy but symptoms happen when they grew up already”
💀 💀

[raven stone]

Also they admit they broke their own limits on how many times a sperm donor is able to be used for fertility purposes.
So now we have future surprise unexpected incest to add into the bag of doom.

[opaque coyote]

...

Yeah

This is just fucked

[fervent geode]

The unexpected incest has already happened before iirc

The limits are very poorly maintained

[opaque coyote]

Tbf

Incest doesn't necessarily cause defects by itself. It does increase the chances that the distinction basically doesn't matter though

[shadow plover]

This is honestly multiple years in jail for multiple people levels of fuck up

[abstract vector]

Yeah

Doctors will lose license IF they found out fucking up reports

[opaque coyote]

Honestly the guilt alone would consume me

[abstract vector]

Donor gets jail time for intentionally donation for harm

[fervent geode]

Well yes but also the chances will be very... not good

[raven stone]

I would not be surprised if THIS is kind of why 40k humanity is so fucked over - imagine the above things multiplied out on a galactic scale.

Like, forget DAoT or Chaos or Imperium itself, you multiply out all the genetic problems for a galactic scale human population…
…yea humanity is fucked, even with a functional government.

[shadow plover]

Donor probably didn't know

[opaque coyote]

"Yeah I'll file this report later."

Like 1 year later

"What do you mean 200 children have cancer?"

[abstract vector]

Thats gonna be super rare case

IF its heredity

Like he is the lucky cancer didnt develop when I grow old

[fervent geode]

Ehhh the mutations are a minor issue compared to hell appearing at your doorstep but you make a valid point

[raven stone]

Yea report is written in a manner that holds the institution more liable, since the donor was healthy and could not have known about that genetic defect.

[opaque coyote]

Tbf it was apparently 20% of his sperm.

He likely just donated it and forgot about it

[abstract vector]

Likely patient got cured early

[abstract vector]

ah nvm

[fervent geode]

Karkin ell

[opaque coyote]

He himself also didn't have anything

So it really was just bad luck

He physically couldn't have known

[abstract vector]

again Maybe he is the lucky son didnt get cancer while his ancestors did

[fervent geode]

And incompetent testing

[abstract vector]

But legally, jail time?

[shadow plover]

Not for the donor but the people in charge of the distribution and testing

[abstract vector]

alright

[fervent geode]

Makes sense

[opaque coyote]

It would be like leaving a soda can out and forgetting about it

Only for a random mold colony to suddenly mutate and turn into the fungus from the last of us

[abstract vector]

Doctors are fucked

If they become lazy one day and dont like writing paper works. then its their fault kids get cancer

💀

[raven stone]

Leaving professional misconduct aside, a professor interviewed also just outright said you can’t screen for everything.

Nature is finicky like that

[opaque coyote]

So it might have been just

Really bad luck

Which is fucked

[abstract vector]

really?

[dapper gyro]

I just got the most off topic 40K ever in real life. Some people out of the blue comparing someone to fking Alpharius...

[abstract vector]

I thought we got machines to handle known heredity dieseases

💀

[raven stone]

And now I understand why Tzeentch is most associated with mutations :p

[fervent geode]

Ehhhh kinda

[opaque coyote]

Tbf the mutations themselves are manageable.

Hell Abhumans are basically mutants due to their environment and they live perfectly fine.

The everything else + extreme fanaticism didn't help.

[abstract vector]

I thought they can detect them too early

[dapper gyro]

Drinking night with people is always something.

[abstract vector]

the only slip up are heredity sickness that only activates when you get old

[opaque coyote]

Also it implies that the mutation rate increased due to the

Shittiness of a lot of planets

[lament shoal]

Plasma gunner built

[opaque coyote]

And also 40k has the fictional Fallout type of radiation

[fervent geode]

Yuh most mutants in 40k would be usually fine

Fanaticism does make em suffer when especially zealous nutcases yk

[opaque coyote]

So basically you can become mutated because of radiation

Or chaos

Fun!

[abstract vector]

or tech priest found daot

[fervent geode]

Wait idt those exist

[opaque coyote]

It also doesn't help that mutations in 40k can range from

"I have an 11th finger" to "oh god help"

[fervent geode]

At least not any that i can recall

[opaque coyote]

And both can get you shot

[dapper gyro]

One of the very best guard regiment is made by the admech in a tube, and they are considered abhuman and mutants.

[abstract vector]

Necromunda

[raven stone]

Yea I mean one half of why IoM hates mutants (beyond obligatory satire of eugenics) is because IoM is too stupid to differentiate between natural caused mutations and warp mutations.

[abstract vector]

Remember how Goliath and Orlock had mutants who stayed too long on the Irridiated sewers

[fervent geode]

Oh yes, most people will be born fine but mutants appear usually due to environment

[fervent geode]

Gland warriors

[opaque coyote]

Yeah there are cases of radiation causing mutation

[fervent geode]

Not really a regiment anymore but yeah epic guys

[abstract vector]

it doesnt help Chaos Mutations can be heredity

💀

somehow it can pass on

[dapper gyro]

Afriel Strain

[fervent geode]

Pls enlighten me i may have forgor

[abstract vector]

Read Necromunda

[opaque coyote]

This

[abstract vector]

[fervent geode]

Oh the clones

[dapper gyro]

Gland Warrior number was too small to be considered a regiment.

[abstract vector]

they have alot of lore about spicy radiation water

[fervent geode]

Ahh munda

Yeh mb

[abstract vector]

Its fun reading

staying near the sewers gives you mutant arms for your gangers

[opaque coyote]

It's not like you can even detect them early like genetic mutations. Hell magic doesn't exactly appear under a microscope

Hell, they can literally be random

[fervent geode]

I am buying a few books of those

[opaque coyote]

Because it's chaos

[fervent geode]

Yeah, like being born during a geller field outage

Mephidast...

[fervent geode]

Oh yeah, weird tho, van saar just get cancer

[lament shoal]

Plasma shots melt their targets right?

[dapper gyro]

Yes

[fervent geode]

Diff radiation ig

[lament shoal]

Ty

[fervent geode]

Yes

[raven stone]

Explaining how Chaos mutation works is a medical horror that is overlooked in its own right.
It is basically all the proteins in your DNA suddenly going “fuck you” simultaneously and deciding to become a bear, a shark, a fish, some unholy Warp-powered thing simultaneously whilst the molecules on your skin suddenly decide they should change themselves to be something else other than living tissue.

[fervent geode]

Your body is reordered by the will of the gods

Hell

[opaque coyote]

It's just them kitbashing

Don't worry

[queen laurel]

i mean

[fervent geode]

Yeah magnus was a wimp

[queen laurel]

if this thing doesn't melt you you are real different

[fervent geode]

Couldnt accept the kitbash

Die

[abstract vector]

thats because the Mad Mother Fuckers have a super secret lab near their headquarters and everyone who stays too long inside gets cancer

[dapper gyro]

To add to that, most of portable plasma weapons deal the same amount of damage, but at different range. Therefore, even a plasma handgun is very deadly.

[opaque coyote]

Again, I still think the funniest way to frame the Chaos Gods is them being four college roommates playing a custom campaign or something

[raven stone]

Cannot die as Chaos entities keep you alive out of spite to hear you (mentally) scream

[fervent geode]

STC fun! Cancer less fun

[fervent geode]

Certified spawndom moment

[fervent geode]

They basically are imo

The great game and all

[opaque coyote]

"If you have a working STC, why don't you just make a cure for cancer?"

"Shut u-"

[opaque coyote]

Exactly.

[raven stone]

I think it has been said Van Saar doesn’t know their own tech gives them cancer?
Or do they know and not care?

[fervent geode]

My STC only make kill peopleism

[dapper gyro]

Technically, Nurgle has the cure to cancer.

[fervent geode]

Well nurgle has the cure to everything, isha is his basement

[queen laurel]

Oh they know

They are dying because of it but they don't care

They have access to an STC

[fervent geode]

They need it anyway lmao, cancer be damned

[queen laurel]

They're working for ways to fix the radiation though

[raven stone]

Ok at least they working on it

[fervent geode]

And simultaneously ensure the admech dont find out

[opaque coyote]

"Damn bro you have terminal cancer? Let me cure you."

"How?"

"Let me give you AIDS as well."

[raven stone]

Ad Mech gang in Necromunda when/shitpost

[fervent geode]

No pain, but i get ur soul

[fervent geode]

When munda ends because they will destroy the planet for that STC

I just had a terrible idea

Kitbash Ozostium Aranthus' head as Lorgar's helm

Aurelian achieved

[celest dome]

We did get Heretek hanger on not so long ago

[lament shoal]

The guy I bought these bases from gave me a couple of these skull ones for free. Decided it would be cool to paint them as some melting targets my plasma gunner just took down, and now he's stepping over them as he makes his way forward

[fervent geode]

Very nice

[ornate estuary]

"exists"

[raven stone]

...This looks Helldiver related

[spring cairn]

this is warhammer lore

[fervent geode]

Where is from

Looks cool

[spring cairn]

hd2 leaks

[fervent geode]

Nicr

[storm jungle]

Badass as fuck

[fierce pendant]

cyborgs looking swole

[rose thorn]

Hey who’s that chapter thats basically loyalist 1k sons

My partner wants a reason to get scarab terminators to make into DW

[abstract vector]

Blood Ravens?

[fervent geode]

Soul Drinkers?

Not my mini btw

[humble shoal]

Blessed by the emperor

[rose thorn]

I think they use the pre crusade chapter symbol of the 1k sons but I dknt remeber

[fervent geode]

Very blessed

The M symbol?

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[daring creek]

https://youtu.be/jLdRatpvKyI

[valid needle]

Very sus pose

That clanker better not rotate his hand 45 degrees to his right

[valid needle]

Grey knights

[valid needle]

Oh. None.

[abstract vector]

wait there is Loyalist T sons

in the HH rule book

2 years ago

[valid needle]

There is no loyalist thousand son successors. Unless you count Grey knights which in a way are kind of especially if you consider their original purpose of being Magnus new legion.

[abstract vector]

I forgot his name because he is a 4 page character

[celest dome]

Janus ?

The one that became the 1st GK

[abstract vector]

Cough Blood Ravens Cough
"Lost Sons and the Ravens of Blood. They Cry out of Salvation and Wisdom but denied"

[abstract vector]

no no

Not Janus

its another guy

[valid needle]

They aren’t thousand sons

They are more likely Word Bearers or Dark Angels

[valid needle]

Don’t have flesh change

Don’t have rubric

[abstract vector]

Again, I read it before from a friend

theres a Loyalist Survivor that was rescued by the Imperial Fist

[rose thorn]

Nono there was one it was the uh

[fervent geode]

Huh sadly idk of any, best or luck

[celest dome]

There are hints of them being from the TS, but it is true that they aren't affected by the Flesh change

[abstract vector]

true

[valid needle]

Blood ravens is just meme lore

[fervent geode]

Consider the Soul Drinkers?

[valid needle]

It’s much more likely Word Bearers or DA

[valid needle]

Dorn

[fervent geode]

Sarpedon appears to have suffered the flesh change

[rose thorn]

They had a stupid name, they were grey and had an M as a symbol

[fervent geode]

5th Fellowship of Tson fought at Cthonia alongside Fists

[abstract vector]

AH That one

[fervent geode]

Sul Kontep was more or less redeemed for his service by Lysander

[abstract vector]

thanks

[fervent geode]

Also didnt one of their geneseed fail the IF test

I dont doubt they are fists

But there is a tson element i believe

Sarpedon lmao

[storm jungle]

Going through the Wrath & Glory books rn

this is literally a darktide psyker collar isnt it lol

[fervent geode]

Hows it goin

They good?

[abstract vector]

Skins soon?

[valid needle]

Only because it was mutated beyond belief

[rose thorn]

Also by loyalist 1k sons I just mean Egyptian Marines lmao

[queen laurel]

Savant staring at the Hive scum pulling out the homemade rocket launcher against a Captain

[fervent geode]

Hmm possible i suppose

It is just a theory anyway

[storm jungle]

Pretty fun reads + good art i think

[celest dome]

He has Ptsd cause he got shot multiple times by similar rocket launchers before

[fervent geode]

I dont believe the ravens are tsons, the drinkers some couldve been imho

[valid needle]

They were so mutated they majority of their marines turned into chaos mutated like freaks

[abstract vector]

Checking Instagram now or Artstation

[fervent geode]

Noice, ill keep an eye out for em

[fervent geode]

Well yea, they were all randomly mutating and iirc tzeentchian daemons were manipulating them

[rose thorn]

I might ahve even thinking of a fan chapter I swore to geo there was another Egyptian chapter

[vagrant fox]

if it's the Emperor's Eyes it's a homebrew

[tough haven]

I LOVE WRATH AND GLORY!!!

[abstract vector]

oh yeah

Did Necromunda had a Digital Copy years ago like in 8th Edition?

I remember GW sold PDF Copies years ago for every 8th Edition Codex but stopped post launch

[rose thorn]

Homophobic slop vs gay slop

I like gayslop I just don’t watch hazbin hotel

[valid needle]

Imagine not receiving a combat patrol every month

[abstract vector]

oh shit

Did you subsrcibe?

the 20-30 dollars subscription?

[valid needle]

For what

[abstract vector]

oh, this one

[valid needle]

Oh, no

[abstract vector]

I assumed you got the Subcription

[valid needle]

I looked at it but no

[abstract vector]

alright

[valid needle]

Is it a random or can you choose what you receive?

[abstract vector]

https://warhammercombatpatrol.hachettepartworks.com/

IIRC they showed entire armies

this is what you get

Montly they give you different armies

[tough haven]

Same

[abstract vector]

Its good subscription but goddamn

[tough haven]

Only reason I like space king is that it seems to make fun of its own community and they love it

[abstract vector]

Flashgits Advance Shitpost

[tough haven]

too bad no one plays combat patrol

[abstract vector]

[abstract vector]

Yeah

[valid needle]

Seems like good value

[abstract vector]

Cousin of mine wanted those models and sell others on Ebay

[tough haven]

now if it were kill teams

[abstract vector]

yeah

Its weird

GW allowed the Expensive as fuck Combat Patrol

but KT?

Nah

IF GW have the subscription system for Killteam, they will get morbillions

[rocky gale]

I open 40k chat, they're actually talking about 40k

[abstract vector]

IMO Kill Team Subcription can pull more players than Combat Patrol

[celest dome]

But not about lore

[tough haven]

Could probably use combat patrols as kill teams depending

if your opponent doesnt care about model subbing

[abstract vector]

🤔

true for proxy

you can legally call them before battles

[valid needle]

Is that fulgrim?

[rocky gale]

No

It's a cat

[languid meadow]

I know people want 40k total war TMR but like I reallyy want it to be AoS

That's even if it's a Warhammer game

[abstract vector]

AOS fits well more than 40K

40K mechanics wont work on total war

It gonna be like Halo Wars 2 if CA feels generous

[arctic talon]

40k total war would need a total revamp of both the engine and how the game plays

lol

[abstract vector]

yup

[languid meadow]

The new Warcom(?) engine is one of the reasons people think we're fully getting it now

idkkk

to me it wouldn't feel like total war

[abstract vector]

CA confirmed they will be in the game awards

Its gonna a be full cinematic trailer iirc

[queen laurel]

i mean the new engine has vehicle specific animation rigs member and also this

[abstract vector]

Tarriff made it worse ngl

Now everyone uses him as reference

[languid meadow]

there was a supposed WW1 game that was cancelled so I wouldn't be surprised if it had some influences on this

oh god Old Peace turned me into a diva

[queen laurel]

people definitely jumping to conclusions a little bit here but also remember the new engine has vehicle specific animation systems

[abstract vector]

yeah

I had to stop a overhype from another server

[queen laurel]

which is far more can be used on 40k

[abstract vector]

I had to convince some people thats gonna be too coping

[queen laurel]

There's not really a lot of vehicle heavy factions in aos besides Kharadron overlords and they specialize in airships

[abstract vector]

Kinda the City of Sigmar

its reskin Empire Steam tanks

[queen laurel]

a few of those things yes but you get what i need

The functions of the new engine fit on a 40K game more than an aos one unfortunately

[abstract vector]

For the future yeah

[queen laurel]

Yeah and of course that rather unfortunate sighting

A lot of the evidence people have picked up right now point to 40K game

[wet sandal]

Very interested to see how it will be executed if that's th case

[celest dome]

Don't really want 40k TW. And I feel it's too than for AoS TW.

[shadow plover]

Horus Heresy Total War

[wet sandal]

I actually also don't want a 40k tow, since I don't actually think they will be able to execute it well

Considering how tw3 release and post-release went

[late verge]

Ngl firstborn are better in most every way except for dreadnoughts. Redemptor limbs look better than castraferrum, but also castraferrum have cool chassis with the three "blocks"

[celest dome]

I feel it's moreso an issue of tech that wouldn't really match with the setting

[abstract vector]

Yeah

Its gonna be dumb down

Probably 200 men limit

[wet sandal]

That's another thing, even extremely competent devs would struggle to adapt the setting to the format

[queen laurel]

I'm going to wait to see what it is but unfortunately with the evidence the community currently has available it's pointing at the 40k direction

[wet sandal]

We'll see how it goes ig

[queen laurel]

Like we always do

[late verge]

Is it true that the dkok are more willing to take in defectors from rebellions/chaos/whatever since they see themselves as atoning for sins so they don't blame others for trying to do the same? Or is that meme lore? Cause I thought it was a really cool slant on them

[late verge]

Very like "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" if true

[celest dome]

I don't think I've ever seen that even in meme lore

[storm jungle]

Theres a Short where a Krieger literally says he'd kill the deserter trooper helping him if he himself wasnt mutilated so no.

Krieg are brainwashed monsters, they dont need sympathetic atonement as a tone to them.

[surreal nest]

Nighthaunts would be so fun in total war I think

[surreal nest]

Unironically prefer this just out of virtue of not having a 30k game

[shadow plover]

I wouldn't mind it at all no

but doubt it'll happen for the politics side of the game series alone

[surreal nest]

I just really dont know how they will do 40k TW

I cant even fathom it

[shadow plover]

by adjusting the game systems

it doesn't have to be a carbon copy of TWWH

[surreal nest]

They can barely handle their own formula god help them if they try a new one

[storm jungle]

this is the thing i find the most funny

"How is this even possible"

[celest dome]

Ye, but I think waiting a couple of years before doing so would be best.

[storm jungle]

they adapt and change the game system to fit it

this isnt rocket science

lol

[surreal nest]

Describe your vision for a land battle for 40k TW!

[storm jungle]

Opinions of 🅱️etas do not concern me........

✋

[surreal nest]

Curious!

[late verge]

Tracks

[celest dome]

Having a DoW AoS now and in 7-8 years having a TW AoS (preferably with another fantasy TW in-between TW WFB and TW AoS

[late verge]

And this is why you double check folks

[copper patrol]

AoS desperately needs a good game

(I mean imagine a slighltly higher power level AoS tide game)

[late verge]

I agree but also its not really "sympathetic" i always interpreted it as just delusional

[celest dome]

If they want to keep the U5's VA cast, it might be the best pick

Bring Soulbound U5 joining back out to defeat a new tide of Skaven

Or just do other tides as both Destruction or Undead could work quite as well

[copper patrol]

with darktides more customizable talent system having the different classes be representatives of the differnt races would go pretty crazy

also lots of enemy options yeah

[surreal nest]

We should get LOTR total war instead

Opinion is not arguable

[copper patrol]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886742356529922172/1145863884545204335/attachment.gif

[late verge]

Like servitors are also supposed to be "atoning for sins" that doesnt make them sympathetic as an institution

[copper patrol]

as much as I love LOTR a total war game for it doesn't particularly spark joy

[abstract vector]

They did once

Its a massive spoiler for a novel

[surreal nest]

😡

[abstract vector]

@late verge
the gist of it was a ||Regimental Priestess heard a commotion about a Vraks Militiaman Defected by stole a uniform of a Krieg Engineer. He wasnt fully corrupted by chaos and he was just a civilian Press ganged into service. The Regimental Priestess talked to him and its revealed that during combat he had to hide in the corpses and stole a uniform to survive. He pretended to be a Kriegsman until he finds a oppurtunity to escape the planet. However over time he changed his mind and wanted to atone for his shame. The Priestess Legally Allowed the defector to continue on his duty despite an ENTIRE COMPANY knew he is a defector||

[storm jungle]

Its such a dumbass part of the book

and the entire Vraks novel is legit terrible too

[abstract vector]

The Priestess is a dnd character

The amount of times she convinced officers to pray and somehow it works

[storm jungle]

She also just gets killed later so you end up feeling like she basically served no purpose whatsoever.

[abstract vector]

Yeah

captain you should Pray. Next scene captain lived

the only parts I kinda like was when the Priestess Encouraged individuality though. That was somewhat interesting segment for me atleast when She wanted to see some of the soldiers live much more

[mossy peak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920709476724649984/1310958507000070214/consider.gif

[late verge]

Hub

Huh

[late verge]

Why cant we just have something with the imperium as villains for ONCE

[celest dome]

Do you mean as antagonist ?

[surreal nest]

Genestealer cult books

[late verge]

Yes

Tau game please

[celest dome]

Shootas, Blood & Teef

[surreal nest]

Firewarrior!!

[celest dome]

For Orks and big Imp as antagonist

[languid meadow]

New warframe quest is peak

[valid needle]

Such would need xenos to not be more evil and this is impossible.

[late verge]

Chaos protagonist killing imperials

:)

The black legion are the good guys

[valid needle]

There’s a hammer and bolter episode with them as the antagonists against Eldar, the ultramarines invade one of their planets and kill them all.

[abstract vector]

IIRC theres the Tau novels, Genestealer Cults and the Ork books

[late verge]

Ofc they do ugh

[late verge]

Ok

[valid needle]

It’s so good

[signal bramble]

Some of the farsight books have that. The first one iirc.

It makes a big deal about the Admech feeding tau to a volcano.

[late verge]

doesnt it suck tho

[tepid glacier]

will the dawn of war 4 story be canon¿?

[signal bramble]

The first 2 books are actually pretty good. I quite like them. The third book, Blade of Truth, not so much.

Blade of truth has some really interesting lore implications for the tau themselves revealed though. I enjoyed those bits.

[late verge]

lowkey want to make a chapter that hates the adeptus mechanicus and hunts loyalists and chaos space marines cause they need the geneseed as theyre isolated bc of their hatred and refusal to work with mechanicus of any kind.

[opaque coyote]

Honestly it's so cruel that I laughed

This shit is why I love 40k

"What should we do with the Xenos? I don't want to just shoot them, that's too boring."

"Okay... Follow me on this. There is a volcano nearby. And I got extra conveyer belts from the last factorium I built..."

[abstract vector]

(Lead Game Developer)

[opaque coyote]

"Praise the Omnissiah, you're a saint!"

[late verge]

like, black legion, salamanders, ultramarines, doesnt matter who theyre harvesting or what theyre doing they will always come around out of nowhere to kill as many other marines as they can to steal them

[wintry cloud]

What server is this

[abstract vector]

Dawn of War IV

[wintry cloud]

Probably obvious huh

[abstract vector]

Official Developers

[wintry cloud]

Bet

[abstract vector]

heres the hardest part

[young pecan]

I wish TWH3 had a system for secretly allying with chaos as an order faction

[abstract vector]

Which Faction is canon to a mission

[tepid glacier]

oh , thanks this was interesting

[abstract vector]

you can switch between chapters or ork warbands

Tug of War with who has the most screentime

[signal bramble]

Here’s the excerpt.

“Every day the Adeptus Mechanicus send out their Skitarii legions to round up the scattered tau civilians that have been unable to leave the planet. Long columns of aliens are herded across the plains by pitiless Skitarii killers with their faces half-hidden by rebreather masks.

Wherever the tau rebel – and it is always, always en masse – they are put down without hesitation by rad bullet and galvanic charge. Long trails of corpses scar the land as a result, picked over by bald carrion and mangy savannah leonids. Some of these cadavers have decayed to the point the ground is covered by long chains of broken skeletons.

At the end of these bone roads are the volcano complexes where the geothermic energy is farmed. The tau captives are marched into these underground lairs and either herded onto high platforms or pushed onto crude transit belts. Electric currents often flow through these conveyors, their charge enough to stun the tau and prevent them breaking free.

Then the unfortunate captives are simply carried over the edge of mechanical cliffs to fall into the magma, each xenos civilian burning bright yellow as he or she sinks into the molten rock. The Adeptus Mechanicus claim detachment, as usual They say they are simply adding fuel, the better to power the steam engines high above. But I know better.

This is a lesson, a statement so vile and extreme it will be carried by word of mouth across the Damocles Gulf and still further afield. The message is clear enough – those who sought to take advantage of the Imperium will find themselves on the pyre, becoming part of humanity’s great war machine in a far more direct fashion than they intended. Cross the sovereign territory of Mankind at your peril. We have inhumanity to spare.”

[opaque coyote]

Again, some Magos was wayyy too bored

[young pecan]

Christ

[opaque coyote]

Also

[signal bramble]

I’ve consumed over 100+ 40k audiobooks. >_>

[opaque coyote]

"Cross the sovereign territory of Mankind at your peril. We have inhumanity to spare."

[signal bramble]

The first two farsight books are really good.

[young pecan]

This kind of grimdark is so much better than the Goblin Slayer method of doing grimdark

[opaque coyote]

🗣️ 🔥

[wintry cloud]

Whos quote

[opaque coyote]

Tbf that part was only at the beginning

But yeah fair enough.

It's why I define Goblin Slayer as a guilty pleasure

[signal bramble]

Blade of truth only had a single interesting tau lore reveal which isn’t even relevant to the main plot. The Aun’Va AI they used to cover up the death is going rampant and going more and more insane. And the Ethereals have no idea what the hell to do about it.

[opaque coyote]

I like it, but that intro is way too dark even compared to the rest of the content

It makes sense "in-universe" but it's basically tonal whiplash after the second episode

[signal bramble]

I have a pet theory that the goblin slayer himself is a metaphor for ptsd.

[opaque coyote]

Nah he definitely is

[signal bramble]

And the mask is symbolic of the fact that it could be anyone.

Anyone that suffers horribly enough could become like him.

[opaque coyote]

He almost doesn't know what he would do to himself when he has no more quests

He kinda just hangs out near the ranch

But even then, he's still paranoid and constantly looking.

[signal bramble]

But yeah, the Farsight books. Highly recommend. It made me actually like the tau. Something I never thought would happen.

[opaque coyote]

Tbf he was right in that one instance, but it's implied he has been checking for months upon months and found nothing

[opaque coyote]

I think the best thing about Goblin Slayer is that GS is

Human

Like explicitly so

He isn't the legendary hero

Or even exceptionally powerful

He isn't doomguy, somebody who basically became a murder.machibe

He has the same drive but not the power

Not the strength

Just his ingenuity

...and heaps of trauma

[young pecan]

The entire worldbuilding of goblins entire race is that they have no females and only brutalize and SA women of other races

You only see it completed in the first episode

[opaque coyote]

Yeah. Again

Guilty pleasure.

That is probably the stupidest part of the entire series

[young pecan]

It is attempted in every single episode that you see them xd

[signal bramble]

There’s more in the mangas…

[young pecan]

Don't doubt it

[signal bramble]

But it’s not done for fan service, it’s done to illustrate how evil the goblins are.

So I’m not that down on it.

[young pecan]

It's a cheap way of showing evil imo

[opaque coyote]

Like even ignoring the y'know...

I think the fact that they can only reproduce via SA is stupid

[young pecan]

It goes to the point of comical evil

They're in the middle of a fight trying to SA the elf

That's stupid writing

[opaque coyote]

Like, this is gonna sound weird

[young pecan]

Idk I have a sniffer for when someone is inserting their fetish into their media they create

And Goblin Slayer reeks of it

[opaque coyote]

But in general. It isn't the fact that they SA that bothers me the most.

It's the fact that's their ONLY form of reproduction.

[opaque coyote]

Oh 100%

And it definitely bothers me

I just think that the merits of the series somehow outweighs the fact that it isn't even a barely hidden fetish

And I can understand how it will have people throw away the manga or DVD disc

And then burn it

And it is right to criticize the series over it

I just think that the character writing is surprisingly solid

Goblin Slayer is legitimately a fascinating character, same with priestess, Elf Archer, etc.

[young pecan]

The characters are written alright with a little charm when they're not actively in the fetish zone

I like the idea of realism in the dungeon but they don't consistently incorporate it imo

[opaque coyote]

I still think it has one of the best last stand esque scenes

Like

Ever

With Goblin Slayer choking out a goblin champion with somebody's hair

And then intimidating them all despite being half dead

And due to it being an actual DnD campaign. It's literally just the Player rolling 20s

But he's still half dead

And if one of them called his bluff. He would have easily died

But that weakness but determination is why I can't help but like the series despite the "this fetish isn't even hidden wtf"

Also Frieren is easily the best way to write in a pure evil fantasy species

[signal bramble]

Labeling it as purely fetish stuff is doing it a disservice tbh.

[opaque coyote]

Their demons are genuinely interesting

True

But also it's impossible to ignore

[signal bramble]

Having a species be inherently evil/amoral is an entire discussion all its own.

[opaque coyote]

In general, although I am a fan of demons being more morally variable

...sue me.

But Frieren is probably one of the best ways to have pure evil demons

[jade holly]

Samael from Darksiders best demon in all of fiction

[opaque coyote]

They're animals.

Literally

They have an entirely different psychology to people

They view humans the same way a wolf would view a pig

Food

Their humanoid forms simply being an adaptation

They learned and adapted to us because we're their prey

A ecological niche fulfilled

Obviously bad for humanity

[jade holly]

Best demon in fiction fight me

[opaque coyote]

But that perspective is interesting

Demons being our "natural predator"

So to speak

Our intelligence and empathy used against us.

[signal bramble]

Look it’s not the demon’s fault that there’s tons of humans just walking around filled with meat.

Or blood in the case of the blood angels.

[jade holly]

Could the Black Templars be seen as the most “evil” group on the loyalist side?

[signal bramble]

Marines malevolent?

[jade holly]

What do they do

name’s on the nose tho

[rose thorn]

i cant eevn tell youw hat this characet is from let alone who he is lmao

[jade holly]

Samael from Darksiders

[signal bramble]

Well during the war for Armageddon a huge band of orks attacked a refugee camp. So the MM made the brilliant tactical decision to bombard the camp to kill the Orks while the civilians were still in it.

[jade holly]

a conniving bastard who plays all sides for his gain

[rose thorn]

darksiders sounds very familiar

[jade holly]

Four horsemen

[rose thorn]

OH isnt iit that game that was falsly compared to darksouls or something

oh its a like

[signal bramble]

The Marines Malevolent also tried to loot some salamanders gear from a ship and when the Salmanders showed up to stop them? The MM said fine and walked away.

Then when those same salamanders put out a call for aid because they were stranded, the MM helped them. But only after stripping them of all their war gear and ammo first.

[rose thorn]

nvm idk what im talkign about lmao

[wary fulcrum]

Not really, they’re typical of a lot of the loyalist side

[jade holly]

It’s more like GoW if anything

Dungeon crawling, new weapons

Build up the character over time

[zenith remnant]

They kill civillians recklessly, steal wargear that belongs to other Chapters, and generally act belligerent and dickish to everyone, and somehow, are worse than some Chaos Astartes warbands

[signal bramble]

A Marine Malevolent would bravely charge in to enemy fire just to kill one last civilian.

[zenith remnant]

To the point where other Chapters refuse to work with them and their members have been handed beatdowns by the Salamanders for their callous disregard of Imperial lives

On multiple occasions

[opaque coyote]

Whenever there's one civilian left alive. It's the equivalent of seeing a level with "99%" exploration