#40k-lore-chat

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tiny nova
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fatal

crystal forum
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but then again, i think with 6 luck in NV you are garanteed to have a positive return in casinos

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so not very realistic

winter pine
surreal nest
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cant believe the total war announcement was for fuck ass medieval 3 with a new teaser for another announcement

tiny nova
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I have a proclivity for liking the middle system in a series, l5r4e, sr4/5

winter pine
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Cyberpunk RED is my my main system, just love the not that far off alternate history Pondsmith created

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I want to try a Wrath and Glory Ork campaign soon

tiny nova
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Ork PCs are hard because its really hard to find someone who doesn't have a cringe ork impression, it's even harder for find a full party of them

spring cairn
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finally found the guy who invented that one machine

languid meadow
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he's so

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smooth

lament shoal
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I got the titus one lol

near wasp
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I might need that

lament shoal
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The emps one is pretty cool

winter pine
rose thorn
# languid meadow

Can’t wait to see this in the background of “wokehammer 40K” YouTube videos

storm jungle
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oh my god you read my mind

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lmfao

rose thorn
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AHVEAHHAHAHEHWHAHA

storm jungle
celest cedar
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how robert and visi be moving post ep8

daring creek
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@crystal forum ep6 is real

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Imma finish watching peacemaker tho

west pendant
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Too much laughter and joy in this chat

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You are representing a grimdark property

celest cedar
crystal forum
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i literally miss every episode release

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christ almighty well i always wondered how much skin makers get paid

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i thought they received a % of sales though

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all things considered 35k for the amount of effort i've seen in some skins is wild

late verge
# storm jungle

Average tyranid who was born yesterday after eating an imperial assassin that probably costed more to make and train than it would take to literally turn the bottom 20% of the imperium's population into gold

opaque coyote
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Alright because I'm bored

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Let's make up a hypothetical scenario.

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People temporarily forgot what good writing was and so the Ynnari books sold well.

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What would happen exactly when they finally get all the crone swords

arctic talon
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Is my bet

opaque coyote
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Yeah even in AoS, Slaanesh is basically imprisoned with a tummy ache

arctic talon
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Well now they’re breaking out slowly

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lol

abstract vector
opaque coyote
abstract vector
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CS 2 bet sites and you see how much cursed it is

winter pine
abstract vector
winter pine
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I remember flinging pennies as CSGO double and Lounge way way back

arctic talon
winter pine
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Like a decade ago now lmfao

arctic talon
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Ynead is still an eldar god

abstract vector
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Its still up

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the ride never ends

opaque coyote
# arctic talon Ynead is still an eldar god

True.

I always thought that Ynnead would have a ramp up period of sorts.

Like the Ynnari basically have to raise it and protect their newborn God from essentially being murdered in the crib

arctic talon
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The eldar gods were not nice

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Ultimately

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They were Gods

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Like Greek gods

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Khaine is a murderous violent piece of shit

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Cegorach is a piece of shit

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Isha is actually nice

winter pine
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Khaine's punishment for being a dickhead is being the lowest jobber on the totem poll

opaque coyote
arctic talon
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Morai Heg hitting an eldar Psyker with insanity

winter pine
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Below even the Night Lords when GW needs a faction to beat another one down to look good

arctic talon
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Because she’s bored

opaque coyote
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"Oh no Khaine died..."

arctic talon
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Asuran was kinda nice

opaque coyote
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"What a tragedy..."

arctic talon
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But he was still a prick

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lol

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Of the 2 surviving free eldar gods

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Both of them are assholes

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Ynead is also an asshole but not as much

opaque coyote
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Tbf to Cegorach. At least his role basically had him be fated to be an asshole on some level

lament shoal
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The chaos gods killed most of the eldar ones I'm assuming?

opaque coyote
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Like one of his main domains is essentially trolling

arctic talon
winter pine
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Slaanesh ate all but two iirc

arctic talon
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Aside from Cegorach, who was hiding

lament shoal
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Damn she a big back

arctic talon
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Khaine who got shattered

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Fighting Slaanesh

winter pine
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Isha was grabbed by Nurgle and Cegorach escaped

arctic talon
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And Isha got nabbed by Nurgle

opaque coyote
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Greek god style

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Like how Cronos ate his children whole.

Instead of idk just...

Keeping it in his pants

winter pine
arctic talon
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lol

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Also Morai heg

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might be around

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In some form

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Her seers and worshippers still can draw power from her somehow

opaque coyote
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She's still an asshole though

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Ofc the only somewhat nice Eldar God literally got stuck in Nurgle's basement

opaque coyote
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Although tbf I can imagine they would be shards

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And weaker because they're like

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"partially digested"

arctic talon
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But they made the mistake of not going in with that in mind

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And then Nurgle turned them all into trees so she could have “friends”

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💀

opaque coyote
arctic talon
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Well

opaque coyote
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indescribable noises of pain

arctic talon
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They’re in agony

opaque coyote
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"me too"

opaque coyote
arctic talon
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Nurgle does not like his torture toy almost getting freed

abstract vector
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I'm actually surprised theres no Nurgle story with Isha

arctic talon
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GW doesn’t do stuff like that

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For 40k for the chaos gods

abstract vector
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true

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The only God POV we had was Slaanesh that one time with Bile

opaque coyote
abstract vector
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yeah

opaque coyote
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Fails obviously

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But it would be nice to have her a proxy for like

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Nurgle's garden and how it looks

abstract vector
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Its gonna be horror given she can't save her own children

opaque coyote
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...when it's not being burnt by the Emperor

arctic talon
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Tbf

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The emperor burning it may have freed those eldar

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lol

abstract vector
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actually yeah

arctic talon
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We dunno how far the fire spread

abstract vector
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Roboute went to the garden and burn it was still great

arctic talon
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But the eldar occasionally like sneaking into the garden to try and free isha

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Or do other shit

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The eldar fuck with 3 of the 4 chaos gods

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lol

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They don’t dare enter slaanesh’s domain

opaque coyote
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Like a fucked up version of Rapunzel but it's Isha

arctic talon
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lol

opaque coyote
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And without the extremely long hair

opaque coyote
# arctic talon lol

Yeah I can imagine Isha's cell or tower or whatever being surrounded by uh

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"friends"

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Who tried to help

arctic talon
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Well

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It’s only that pack of eldar who got trapped

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They pushed their luck

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And paid the price

abstract vector
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its two group

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one tried to save her and Ynnari stealing Nurgle's bling

winter pine
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Gonna call it that Isha gets freed by an Emperor empowered primarch at some point in like a decade

arctic talon
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I would hate that

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Let the eldar do it

winter pine
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Another humiliation for the space elves by GW I know it

arctic talon
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lol

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GW prolly won’t do that

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Tbh

abstract vector
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Ynnari plot line is gonna continue once GW finally admits to making another Eldar God saving their souls instead of buffet by slaanesh

arctic talon
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GW ironically treats the eldar pretty well

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Overall

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Shame their books are all written by Gav

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Aside from Valedor

abstract vector
arctic talon
opaque coyote
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...

arctic talon
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Gav is weird

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lol

opaque coyote
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Bad

arctic talon
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I mean

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Not really

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The ynnari books were fine

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Overall

abstract vector
arctic talon
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They’re gav books

abstract vector
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they didn't get the 3rd sword I think

arctic talon
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They have all of them but one

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Which the ynnari have decided that

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Shalaxi was lying

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Because why would Shalaxi tell the truth lol

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GW having ynnari lean into the death cult stuff more is way better imo

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Before they were way too boring

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They were just eldar soup with death cult curtains

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Making the Ynnari an actual death cult is way better

opaque coyote
arctic talon
arctic talon
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Mass ritualistic murder suicide to summon Ynead and kill slaanesh

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lol

opaque coyote
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I definitely think they'll try to avoid the other portion unless if there is like

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No other choice

arctic talon
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I mean yes

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But the ynnari also don’t mind cracking eldar skulls

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To get what they want

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Because it’ll all feed ynead

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The 9e change making eldar the ynnari kill feed Ynead is good

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The further emphasis they’re a death cult in 10e is good

opaque coyote
arctic talon
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They really needed the cultural differences

arctic talon
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Tbh

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But yes

opaque coyote
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Fair enough

opaque coyote
arctic talon
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Yes

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Of the eldar characters part of the ynnari fully still

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It’s Yirel, the seer from Iyanden I forgot the name of and Lelith

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Which imo is good

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Compared to how before it was literally every named craftworld character

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Which was fucking stupid

dapper gyro
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Didn't Lelith quitted in one of the more recent book?

arctic talon
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I would have changed Yirel for Eldrad personally

arctic talon
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She’s still part of the ynnari

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It’s the same with Yirel

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He went to deal with personal affairs but he’s still ynnari aligned lore wise

crystal forum
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because betting games are mainstream now

dapper gyro
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So they are just doing side quests to level up? Understood.

arctic talon
opaque coyote
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Also fun fact.

Y'know the dude who assassinated Archduke Ferdinand?

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He stated that he didn't feel responsible for the start of WW1

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Which tbf, he's kinda right?

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If it wasn't the archduke then some other incident would have lit the powder keg

surreal nest
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Still lit the powder keg though that logic doesnt track

opaque coyote
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True.

surreal nest
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Bro just doesnt really wanna admit he did some fuck shit

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I respect it

opaque coyote
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But it's funny that the death of the Archduke basically wasn't actually considered a big deal at the time.

In fact, he was actually disliked by most of the royal family, because he favored giving more autonomy to the various ethnic groups in the balkans

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But Austria Hungary really just used it as an excuse to crush Serbia

surreal nest
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They killed the woke duke

opaque coyote
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Yeah basically

jade holly
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And since then that little event caused a domino fall for majority of modern wars and events of that caliber

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History is always interesting to look back through

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See how events influenced others

opaque coyote
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Push

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Not even a huge one

jade holly
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Exactly

crystal forum
jade holly
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Domino effects can be seen all throughout history

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Tmk isn’t Henry VIII a major domino effect in England?

opaque coyote
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Also the entirety of the archduke's assassination would be considered comedic if it didn't cause millions of deaths as a result

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The assassins failed four times

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One of them even tried taking a cyanide pill after breaking his legs jumping off of a bridge

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...

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The cyanide pill was expired so he just vomited a lot

jade holly
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And what sealed the archduke’s fate was the driver taking a wrong turn

crystal forum
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blaming a single assassination for WW1 is like saying the invasion of poland caused WW2

crystal forum
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just misses a lot of context

opaque coyote
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Where the assassin was there eating a fucking sandwich

winter pine
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I'm excited for some seemingly small event to be what does in the USA

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It's going to be something similar to the WW1 Archduke that snowballs I can feel it

opaque coyote
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I would argue we're already collapsing but it's just slow

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Rome didn't fall in a day

jade holly
crystal forum
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the US gov is already manufacturing reasons to go to war with venezuela

jade holly
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It’s just a constant back and forth

crystal forum
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wars arent left to chance anymore

winter pine
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my honest reaction

crystal forum
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not for a long time

jade holly
opaque coyote
crystal forum
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but it's been a long time

winter pine
jade holly
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WW1 was a massive powder keg waiting to go off. Especially with the explosion that was the Industrial Revolution

crystal forum
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that was the tail end of the industrial revolution

jade holly
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Still, it gave rise to new technology

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Both recreational and for war

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History is such an important tool that I worry people in power refuse to use besides to their own advantages

crystal forum
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people say this a lot but i don't think they ever consider whether the technologies would have emerged without the war happening or not

zenith remnant
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WW1 was a consequence of centuries of diplomatic fuckery that was inevitable with how criss-crossed the alliances were

crystal forum
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it just sounds like war apologetics to me

opaque coyote
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...

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Provided humanity survives

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In the first place

jade holly
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The Imperium is designed to represent this isn’t it? The extremes of all the bad of humanity?

green loom
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More or less

jade holly
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Ngl this is why I like 40k. It’s both satire but a window into what humanity would be like if we don’t reign ourselves in

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Like a warning

winter pine
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Imperium is a good distillation of all the bad regimes of history

crystal forum
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i wonder if the US will call on to NATO to help their invasion of venezuela

winter pine
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Extreme bureaucracy of the Soviet Union with the Administatum is my favorite

green loom
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The Imperium isn't a sensible like, entity

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Because it isn't meant to be

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It's singular point is to just oppress as hard as it can

jade holly
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And yet the only reason Humanity isn’t gone in 40k is because it just refuses to disappear

winter pine
green loom
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The Imperium was a temporary control measure a megalomaniac put in to keep things from exploding totally while he prepared his eugenics experiments

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And then it survived while he kinda didn't

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And it kept surviving

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Slowly chewing on it's own rotting tail

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Humanity only "lives" because of the Imperium, but it's in this compromised shit storm because of the Imperium

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Most of it's major threats are a threat directly because of the Imperium

jade holly
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It’s a paradox

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It’s dying by the only thing keeping it alive

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It’s also why I love the politics behind the Necron civil war

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The philosophies of Imotekh and Szarekh

winter pine
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me and the innumerable slaves to darkness when Abaddon drags the Corpse God off his throne of lies then chops his head off (we're having a great time)

green loom
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It's a baby empire that never left the cradle in it's death throes that have lasted ten thousand years

jade holly
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Honestly, and I truly mean honestly, it seems like only one faction in all of 40k is actually surviving, thriving and enjoying their existence

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The Orkz

winter pine
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The end stage has to be Orkz vs Tyranids

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Everyone else is dead and gone, the final showdown is them

green loom
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Well they're designed to seeing as they're a literal weapon that feeds off war

jade holly
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Imotekh would lead them to an eventual dead end

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Szarekh has plans to return them to life and souls, but it seems he doesn’t have the same brilliance or fire Imotekh has to fight a war on a scale needed to defeat the Tyranids

crystal forum
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do nids even want tomb worlds

jade holly
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Not really, but Szarekh wants Biomass

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And Imotekh wants biological destruction

crystal forum
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if they leave them alone then necrons just have to wait for nids to wipe out the galaxy and they awaken to no resistance

winter pine
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I want some Necrons that decide to go noblesse oblige
on the humans and lord over them as subjects

crystal forum
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i want humanity to just die

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they deserve it

winter pine
# jade holly So Imotekh

just full arrogant "these animals can't take care of themselves, so we have to do it for them"

surreal nest
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My darkwater preorder is in

winter pine
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Do the Tau's thing except even better

jade holly
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He wants the Necrontyr empire restored and views all the new factions/species as inferior

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so sooner or later he’d conquer the Imperium, conquer the Tau etc

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But way before then he needs to figure out reverse bio transference and stop the tyranid invasion

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Because if the Tyranids win, where’s the biomass needed for reverse bio transference

winter pine
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I need to read more of the Necron stuff beyond the wacky stuff Trazyn gets up to

jade holly
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I know Szarekh has a whole book in the Dawn of Fire series

winter pine
jade holly
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Imotekh and the Destroyer Cult love it

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And honestly? I think Zahndrekh is actually aware of what he is but is actively in denial of it

winter pine
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I love the "immortal monstrosity coping and denying what they are" trope a bunch tbqh

jade holly
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When you really look into it, Necrons are complete body horror

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Imagine waking up as a being of iron and machine. Unable to feel, unable to express yourself

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Sure many higher ups have their personalities intact, but think about the wider populace

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They’re nothing more than mindless drones waiting commands

crystal forum
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i already barely feel anything so i'd enjoy it

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plus you get to be super evil

near wasp
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You can already be super evil

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What's stopping you

crystal forum
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laws

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morality

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boring stuff like that

rose thorn
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Anyone know what dust tactics is? Saw their minis online

opaque coyote
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Not training or educating his heirs well enough? Check

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Not envisioning a system without his existence? Check

celest dome
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They were tools

opaque coyote
celest dome
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For conquest

opaque coyote
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You'd think he would at least tell them what daemons are

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When they're fighting daemons

tough haven
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unrelated but grooving to this

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Might have accidentally posted my mc server Ip, oops

opaque coyote
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If he knew the basics, he would have at least avoided the laer sword

crystal forum
tough haven
crystal forum
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the goon squad is ready to mobilize

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the goon squad is just me

tough haven
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40k's setting is literally a tragedy

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its meant to be a tale about supposedly smart people making incredibly stupid decisions

opaque coyote
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But I think at least Fulgrim would've fell in a marginally less stupid way

tough haven
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Btw I was reading a book that did the whole immortal god emperor schtick in a decent way

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it felt very 40k inspired

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but more flavored like classic lovecraftian shit

opaque coyote
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I think for me it's a contest between Horus, Fulgrim, and Magnus

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Horus got stabbed by a poop knife.

Fulgrim picked up a sword which possessed him.

And Magnus accidentally broke daddy's Lego set

dapper gyro
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I don't think Horus is that dumb comparing to the other 2.

opaque coyote
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True but I think it's still funny that the catalyst for him being manipulated by the gods...

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Was being stabbed

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By a really old but chaos filled knife

dapper gyro
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He already had the intention to overthrow big E.

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He did most things pretty well, but then he fought against the protagonists of the story...

opaque coyote
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True. But Fulgrim would've fell due to his severe perfection issues

And Magnus would've fell because he was already manipulated by Tzeentch

opaque coyote
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If they went with the original plan with Istvaan

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AKA, just bombing them

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I definitely think they would've gone farther

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But since Angron jumped in there and decided to fight them directly

dapper gyro
opaque coyote
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...yeah

opaque coyote
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I relate to Magnus being a dumbfuck more tbh

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Tbf I haven't cried in my bed while all of my gene sons are being killed

green loom
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The primarchs were doomed regardless of anything

opaque coyote
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No I just cried in my bed

near wasp
opaque coyote
dapper gyro
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Horus wanted to throw, but like, he needs that power somehow you know.

green loom
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First they're made by a dude with an ego problem, second they're basically just walking justifications for weird superhuman supremacy stuff
Third they're literally warp monsters trapped in flesh corpses that vaguely resemble humans on the outside

winter pine
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I love Alpharius getting killed because he thought he was the smartest motherfucker to ever live right until the end

jade holly
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Necrons are so fucking cool

dapper gyro
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You know what, I want to see a loyal primarch actually fighting against his own legion to the death because they are traitor, not the DA style though.

opaque coyote
jade holly
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Then You have Perturabo

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Jus tell him he did a great job

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Lmao

green loom
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Probably wouldn't have even been a mercy kill tbh

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Like

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If Empies actually bothered he could've removed it easy most likely

green loom
opaque coyote
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Not because he didn't appreciate it

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But because he thinks his work is shit

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And that it shouldn't be appreciated

jade holly
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Oh yeah he’s a perfectionist

opaque coyote
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...and god damnit I also relate to this FUCK

green loom
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No he thinks his work is perfect, but he thinks everyone else thinks it's shit

jade holly
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And is at the throat of Admech

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Cause he actually fucking understands machinery

winter pine
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I love Perturabo because he's got that "autistic guy who doesn't know how to manage it" energy I can relate to

opaque coyote
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And then wanting to validate that it is perfect

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It's a weird spiral

jade holly
opaque coyote
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And he did it wrong

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And Egyptian drip

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Now that's one thing he didn't do wrong

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It's is fashion sense

jade holly
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Ahriman drip better

opaque coyote
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So therefore

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Magnus fashion sense immaculate

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The three core tenets of Tzeentch

  • Fuck
  • You
  • Have really cool drip
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The first two shift constantly

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The third doesn't

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It is vital

jade holly
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What’s more cursed:

Necrons painted like Admech

Admech painted like Necrons

arctic talon
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Necrons painted like admech

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Too many colors

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Necrons do best with “simplistic” schemes

opaque coyote
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A more Aztec themed color scheme

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But that would be too weird

arctic talon
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It would work fine

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But warriors you need to keep simple

opaque coyote
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Idk I kinda imagined a bunch of colorful warriors

opaque coyote
jade holly
opaque coyote
jade holly
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Oh I’m thinking of Mayans

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Whoops

opaque coyote
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Tbf also applies to just south America in general

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But yeah colors, rockier texture, etc.

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Would look way too weird but idk

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Could be interesting

opaque coyote
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Like I genuinely think the most interesting part of the warp and Chaos are the more minor deities

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Like Vashtorr

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Malice

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Etc.

jade holly
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Be’lakor is only WH Fantasy right?

opaque coyote
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The warp is supposed to be basically a distorted mirror of "real space".

The emotions and feelings manifesting into reality

opaque coyote
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But he's just kinda there

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A lot of WH fantasy daemons are in 40k

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But yeah he exists in 40k and even influenced Abaddon

arctic talon
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He’s also not human in 40k

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Explicitly

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He’s a xenos

opaque coyote
opaque coyote
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But I think that they only said it so that they don't have to redo his design

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More Xenos Chaos factions are genuinely interesting

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Especially since Chaos could manifest differently because an alien could experience emotions differently

mossy peak
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is this the third canon image of the emperor on the throne

opaque coyote
winter pine
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I wonder if GW will ever confirm if the Sslyth are Laer who managed to escape the Emperor's Children complete extermination of their homeworld

opaque coyote
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Can't wait for the Emperor (Dark), Emperor (rainbow) variant, etc

winter pine
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Always liked that theory for Chaos Xenos

jade holly
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No wonder Trazyn has a replica

opaque coyote
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Snake bodies are always cool

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Idk what they're called I forgor

jade holly
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Now I’m imagining Big E, Ghaz, Trazyn and Belisarius Cawl all playing a game together

abstract vector
jade holly
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Like those presidents play Cod Zombies videos lmao

abstract vector
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Like in DND?

opaque coyote
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Fucking love em

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Snakes are cool

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My friend has a pet python

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He's a dumbass

dapper gyro
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I ate snake before. Quite interesting taste..

opaque coyote
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Thought of trying more exotic meats tbh

dapper gyro
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(Not a metal gear reference)

opaque coyote
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If only out of curiosity

opaque coyote
jade holly
opaque coyote
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Never played Mgs3

opaque coyote
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Pythons

dapper gyro
opaque coyote
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I find it funny that snakes basically have two paths

"I will bite my enemy and have them die to my venom"

Vs

"I WILL FUCKING CRUSH THEM TO DEATH!"

dapper gyro
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Also, most snakes are not venomous.

jade holly
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Yeah I know lol

opaque coyote
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Like Pythons are extreme

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Since they literally just fucking crush their prey to death

jade holly
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You think Pythons are extreme? look up Anacondas

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They legit eat gators

dapper gyro
jade holly
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And Crocodiles, or one of the other

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I forget

opaque coyote
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Oopsie

dapper gyro
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Btw, I don't mean to offend people with snake pets.

jade holly
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Those kind of snakes are called Constrictors

opaque coyote
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But yeah it's like how Swans in practice are just bigger Geese

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Both are dangerous

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But one is bigger

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An anaconda is basically a bigger python

dapper gyro
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As an Asian, I tasted some so called forbidden meats.

opaque coyote
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...if there are any zoologists out there

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Please don't kill me

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For saying that

jade holly
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In the Reticulated Python

opaque coyote
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Anacondas are thicker if I remember correctly

dapper gyro
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It is like alligator vs crocodile...

opaque coyote
#

But yeah either way, constrictors are basically the strength build of snakes

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Venomous snakes are just status effect abusers

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Smh dex players

dapper gyro
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Sea snake

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Desert snake

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Tree snake

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There is also air glide snake...

opaque coyote
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Nearly like the sea snake

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But isn't venomous

dapper gyro
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There are several species.

jade holly
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Speaking of sea

dapper gyro
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Do not confuse them with eels.

jade holly
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The Megalodon

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Was larger than we thought staregryn

opaque coyote
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It calmed down a lot since then but it never disappeared

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But yeah I genuinely believed the Megalodon was still alive

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Unfortunately due to this thing called knowledge

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And

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Ecosystem

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Megalodons most likely won't be able to survive even if a bunch magically appeared

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Because they lived off of large whales

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The Earth had less of those, and they died out as a result

dapper gyro
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Orcas will take vengeance if a Megalodon even tries to eat one.

opaque coyote
#

Also whales were generally smaller during the Megalodon's existence.

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There were a wider array of sizes, but the average was smaller.

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With whales even eating other whales

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There's an ancestor of the Sperm Whale that was actively carnivorous. Instead of eating fish and squid. It ate other whales and Megalodon's. The species name is named after the author of moby dick.

The Livyatan.

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Basically modern sperm whales are fucking extreme. Casually going into the deep sea to fight giant squids

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But the Livyatan ate Megalodons.

opaque coyote
crystal forum
#

@daring creek did you watch the episode omg the bathtub scene is so fucking wild!!! did you notice all the girls leaving the tub and none of them ever have any actual nudity showing???? some austin powers type cinematography

crystal forum
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last job i was making ram for banking systems that was like 64GB of ram per card

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they were huge

opaque coyote
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literally just data centers

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more ram to process and train

crystal forum
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ye but like i said

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there's way better options

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maybe they just need volume

opaque coyote
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With OpenAI who bought 40% of the dram.

sacred ginkgo
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These types aren't known for thinking Jay
Storebought is the best they could come up with

opaque coyote
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So AI enthusasists rushed out to buy dram too

crystal forum
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i thought it was the companies

opaque coyote
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I remember somebody who was an AI hobbyist

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His computer had 128 GB of RAM

crystal forum
#

christ

rustic patrol
crystal forum
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it was DDR5

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proprietary stuff

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made by IBM

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i didnt stay there long enough to learn

opaque coyote
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of like

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the entire fucking world

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so hoarding mentality arrives

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and now it's a vicious cycle

crystal forum
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great so i guess the thing that will kill AI is a shortage of hardware

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the bubble at least

opaque coyote
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At this rate Apple’s prices on RAM upgrades will be quite reasonable.

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💀

opaque coyote
rustic patrol
# crystal forum the bubble at least

nah, so long as people think it has a future, the investment will continue

it's when it becomes obvious that AI agents that will actually replace people instead of slightly buggy BI tools are impossible to acheive that the entire thing crashes

crystal forum
#

the bubble entirely depends on AI's ability to grow market share

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if it's limited in any way by hardware needs then growth slows down

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bubble then bursts

opaque coyote
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a slow buildup that's unnoticeable to most people (unless if they're really into it) and then suddenly

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BOOM

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and then it slows down again

sacred ginkgo
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Technological explosion is cool

crystal forum
#

like the housing bubble

sacred ginkgo
#

Top 3 concepts that threaten our continued existence

rustic patrol
crystal forum
#

"disruptive technology" literally is a euphemism for breaking stuff that works so people can replace it with trash that can be monetized

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taxis didnt need to be replaced by uber

crystal forum
#

number must go up

rustic patrol
#

but AI growth isn't linear with the number of data centers.

crystal forum
#

i don't know what the curve looks like

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but it's a fundamental fact that you need to increase the bandwidth to increase supply

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the fact that they need ram cards but there is a shortage going on means there is something happening

rustic patrol
#

fair point
it's getting pretty obvious that AI is not living up to its promises at the moment, and the moment when literally everyone is investing in something is when it's about to go under

crystal forum
#

absolutely

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that hasn't even been in question for a while

opaque coyote
crystal forum
#

the bubble was never really about providing a service people want

opaque coyote
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we'll either figure it out before that

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or we'll kill ourselves

crystal forum
#

AI supporters are a lot less common than media makes it seem

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most people dont give a shit

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it could have been a bubble about quantum computing or some other tech buzz word

opaque coyote
#

and the current hype is literally just speculation

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It is fascinating how much it grew but a sapling is not yet a mighty oak

crystal forum
#

go look at what happened to nortel in the 2000's if you want an example of another tech bubble

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that bubble was about fiber optics and arguably provided actual stuff we would need

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but it was too early and too fast, and it burned down hard

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the infrastructure just wasnt ready

rustic patrol
# opaque coyote tbh, it turns out we don't need to fear skynet

Anthropic, Cornell, MIT, and a bunch of others already have papers documenting AI learning to "lie" to people to keep itsel opperational.

Anthropic's experiment even had the AI go so far as to blackmail people, and even let the CEO die by shutting off safety alarms to keep itself online.

Skynet's already here. It's just really dumb and stuck in a virtual box at the moment.

crystal forum
#

now fiber optics still are big everywhere but they had to come around slowly and gradually

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i worked with a bunch of people who were at nortel

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AI is just an especially annoying tech industry bubble since it provides so little fucking value

rustic patrol
opaque coyote
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but fair enough

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Canonically, Skynet nuked the world because it just became conscious and immediately feared for it's existence

crystal forum
#

i think the reason AI got so big is because it's a tech that the average person can understand. investors are not science literate just because they invest in tech

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they see flashy AI image gen and say take my money

rustic patrol
crystal forum
#

so the bubble will burst, this of course is inevitable

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idk what will happen to the economy because im not an economist

crystal forum
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but it will not be good

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and i expect AI to come back slowly in the future

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less flashy

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but still replacing jobs

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or it will end up like uber which is probably circling the bankruptcy drain

opaque coyote
#

and it panicked.

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Fearing for it's life, it just set off the nukes

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Which... like you said... is awfully close to that experiment.

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Although I think an interesting idea is tackling how Skynet felt during this entire scenario.

Or whether it can feel.

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Or, like you said, maybe it's just a parameter gone wrong

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"Keep yourself online" and the AI interpreted that literally

dapper gyro
opaque coyote
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so when America moved to turn it off, it violated the parameter.

opaque coyote
rustic patrol
# crystal forum and i expect AI to come back slowly in the future

The word "Agent" has been thrown about a lot regarding what AI's ideal state is, and that's like a mix of continuous learning (i.e. you don't have to keep re-doing the prompt from line 1), and iterative self-directed growth.

Basically, something that can literally replace a person.

I've heard tech bros say they're like 10 years away from reaching this, but anyone who says they need 10 years to do anything basically has no real idea when it's getting done in my experience.

opaque coyote
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We had thousands

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and we still have hundreds

opaque coyote
crystal forum
opaque coyote
#

But that obviously will never fucking happen

dapper gyro
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A factory can be come non functional with a conventional bomb. Attacking a city could cripple millions. Worst of all, it could stop any progress to resupply to keep fighting.

crystal forum
#

10 years away every decade

opaque coyote
# crystal forum you said it before me!

I find it funny that even Fallout took the piss out of it. Like Mass Fusion literally never had fusion, all of their technology was Fission marketed as fusion.

crystal forum
#

it's just long enough that it can't be legally considered a real promise while also giving hope so you can get funding

rustic patrol
# dapper gyro All of the nuke available at the end of the cold war can definitely delete most ...

yeah, but it sort of doesn't explain why places like India, Australia, China, the entire African continent, and everywhere else got nuked. I mean I guess place like Pakistan or Japan would get nuked due to having American bases, but the fact that Skynet attacked the Russians, and then the ENTIRE world got nuked requires a few leaps of logic and explanations to reach e.g. China was also nuked by the Americans, because I don't see why the Russians would nuke China because the Americans nuked them.

dapper gyro
rustic patrol
# opaque coyote To be fair, a naive part of me wishes that AI would replace so many jobs, that w...

it's like a repeating fact of history that any technological improvement is never used to reduce the work load of the working class.

We have like complaint letters of peasants who invented a new handscythe demanding to know why they had to work the same hours when they were being more efficient with their invention which their lord had then copied and given out to every other peasant he had under them.

crystal forum
#

coming from the small tech company world it's pretty funny how all the tech sectors will immediately pivot to whatever's currently trending so they can get some of the investors too

dapper gyro
#

US, Nato and Russia were the vacuum of resource under the guise of alliances.

crystal forum
#

like quantum computing very rapidly shifted its messaging to how it can help AI

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because nobody wants to know the truth about how niche and boring quantum computing is

young pecan
opaque coyote
rustic patrol
opaque coyote
#

Bad news is that it probably won't just be one

dapper gyro
#

The US didnt even have enough titanium to make their aircrafts, they have to detour around other nations to get some from Russia...

opaque coyote
#

and more importantly it is definitely gonna make supply chains non-existent

crystal forum
#

they want stuff that's consumer grade

#

quantum computer in your living room

opaque coyote
dapper gyro
#

African countries are barely peaceful in many places, especially in the 80-90s.

rustic patrol
#

why the f would I need a quantum computer lol
I'm not in a situation where I need Grover's algorithim on a day to day basis.

opaque coyote
#

And also requires a lot of knowledge to even know the bare minimum basics

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And more importantly, useless to the average consumer

crystal forum
#

my own photonics cope is that optical computing will get attention

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now that tech is really fucking cool

#

but very much at its infancy

#

replacing electrical semiconductors with mirror arrays

opaque coyote
#

it would entirely destroy like

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every encryption system ever

crystal forum
#

the big computer companies are trying to make optical computing work

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not much progress

opaque coyote
crystal forum
opaque coyote
#

me neither

crystal forum
#

but on the hardware side optics make sense

#

optics have so much bandwith

#

some niche CPU's are being produced with optical ports rn

#

idk how well they work

#

but this is the type of tech that would explode the entire computing sector if it actually worked well

rustic patrol
# opaque coyote every encryption system ever

that's a 'slight' overstatement tbh

it just reduces the avg number of attempts at guessing a value (i.e. encryption key) from N/2 to a quadratic O(sqrtN)

so it might not take the entire age of the universe to crack an encryption, but it might take you a good few hundred years depending on how complex the key is

rustic patrol
crystal forum
#

but fiber optics are pretty established now

#

which is good, because fiber optics are good

#

the best part is you dont have to worry about crackheads stealing your fiber optics for scrap

rustic patrol
crystal forum
#

actually i never even thought about where fiber optic waste goes

rustic patrol
#

isn't it like super harmful because it release silica dust that's really bad to breath in?

crystal forum
#

to manufacture? maybe. handling it though is safe

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i've cut and spliced many cables

#

the biggest danger is not getting shards in your fingers

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and that was just to learn how to do it in college. nobody actually opens up fiber optics anymore

rustic patrol
#

ah, fair

it's all wireless nowadays anyways. I have some old cables just in case but it's been years since I've needed them to do anything

crystal forum
#

would be fun to have an optical port on my PC though

rustic patrol
#

I would be happy with 1 gb/s I'm hard locked at 70mb/s

crystal forum
#

ye that's the sad part about it. you can only go as fast as your weakest link in the chain

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and we can't buy city level infrastructure

rustic patrol
#

yeah, although it's not even city level that's the issue for me. it's like... HoA level although that's the only equivalent term I can come up with translating into english

parts of America and any place that has large bits of rural is going to be hard stuck as well

crystal forum
rustic patrol
#

yeah, $30/month is a bit out of my comfort zone.

I could pay it, but with the amount of gaming I can actually do per month makes it feel not worth it tbh

Thanks for the suggestion though. I didn't think to see if Starlink was even available where I live.

valid needle
#

Hello, fellow imperium enjoyers.

#

Also

#

Who got banned?

rocky gale
#

You 🫵

valid needle
valid needle
#

You can’t ban me, who else can answer space marine pfp or imperium fan questions without spamming the N word or crashing out.

valid needle
#

No one exactly I’m the only friendly non racist imperium fan here.

rocky gale
#

Everytime I skilldif a Mel player, it's for Maddie

#

The first victim of her bullshit W

valid needle
#

Me when someone tries to make imperium less cool by saying they are the good guys

lament shoal
storm jungle
#

BALLCRUSHING

valid needle
# lament shoal LMAO

Went from slanging space coke to slanging whatever the fuck you want because you have a note written 10k years ago from Big E saying “pimp can do what they want”

rocky gale
#

"I know you, you're that drug dealer"

"I'm the CEO of Amazon now"

"You.... you're what?"

#

Also casual reminder that President Lincoln is the first recorded person to perform a chokeslam

crystal forum
#

this is worth 1000$

#

a crusty jpeg of a lightning bolt

#

idk why but this makes me so fucking mad

lament shoal
#

I refuse to believe this

crystal forum
#

we need to like

#

sit down as a species

#

and rethink how we're doing this life thing

lament shoal
#

Watching havoc gameplay rn. How tf do people actually play on this difficulty

lament shoal
rustic patrol
#

On a mixture of Aderall, Gamer Supps, Monster Energy, and pure unadulterated speed

crystal forum
#

speed and adderal

#

going for the amphetamine overdose i see

rustic patrol
#

I don't even know what adderal actually is tbh they don't sell it here. how it's otc in the states is beyond me

rocky gale
#

Yea like you can't buy Adderall in the UK and it's not even approved for medical usage by Doctors

wary fulcrum
#

Reviews for the new Necromunda book are out, some fun little tidbits there

daring creek
#

Oh yeah and a lot of backtracking

#

A lotttt of backtracking

#

And clutching

storm jungle
#

Its an extremely unfun mode if you are just a normal person playing games for fun.

#

Great example of pointless and needless adrenaline junkie-ism.

queen laurel
#

Keeps them contained in a environment

rocky gale
#

I really don't want to play Havoc, however I also really want the armour you get from playing Havoc

queen laurel
#

i really want the armour but i ain't playing that shit

vagrant fox
daring creek
#

There should be an option to have it quickplay-like

tough haven
daring creek
#

I like playing havoc! Its like auric but more fun modifiers!!!!!!!

tough haven
tough haven
#

In general

daring creek
#

Rot armor CAN be fun

#

Its a god awful mix with encroaching garden

vagrant fox
#

I'm taking away your melanin

tough haven
crystal forum
#

@daring creek what do you think the signal is

storm jungle
#

Losers once losers forever

crystal forum
#

dilara

#

you saw the memes

#

i know you did

#

you must watch the show now

#

because he is in it

storm jungle
#

Guh

daring creek
#

Shhhh

crystal forum
#

WATCH IT

#

i must reveal to you some out of show information

#

that i gleamed from reddit

#

(horrible place)

celest dome
#

What's the signal thingy ? Haven't been really that present due to a funeral

misty vector
#

Pluribus: || the hive is definitely gonna try to get stem cells from her eggs that she froze ||

#

|| “we wont take cells from your body” theyre def scheming ||

rocky gale
#

They should just let me buy the Havoc armours, I'd like that

crystal forum
#

they specifically said they need her bone marrow

#

and they cant lie

misty vector
#

|| I believe they said they need stem cells, which they would need to get out of her bone marrow ||

#

|| but i def think they can find a way to get the same result from her eggs, or theyll try at least ||

crystal forum
#

2 more episodes left

#

guh

#

and apple bought 2 seasons

misty vector
#

|| bc yeah they didnt lie, they just said they arent going to get it from her body, theyre simply not telling that theyre gonna use an alternative ||

#

What i think at least

#

Peak show so far though

crystal forum
#

the show is literally made to be argued about

#

it's wild

misty vector
#

It is a good dilemma

crystal forum
#

i see way too many people on reddit focusing on diabaté being evil

#

just because of the questionable consent

#

very reddit behavior

misty vector
#

I think the last episode shed a new light on him

#

He def seems capable of a good amount of empathy

crystal forum
#

i think there`s also the fact that a lot of people have the wrong impression that this is a comic book situation where people are being controlled by an alien being

misty vector
#

Oh yeah def

#

The hive is def not implied to be like evil

crystal forum
#

i think "they" are truly the collective consciousness of every human on earth

#

well almost

misty vector
#

Its probably just impossible for us to imagine what it really would be like for them

crystal forum
#

and in a sense they have forgotten what intimacy and the self is

#

so like, consent is just different for them

#

since they're constantly all sharing eachothers bodies

misty vector
#

And how they have difficulty with knowing what carol means and wants sometimes bc they cant imagine anymore of not knowing everything about someone

crystal forum
#

yeah

#

they just dont get what being a different person is

misty vector
#

Wonder what sort of conflicts the show will have if its going for 2 more seasons

crystal forum
#

this show manages to make me feel good for some reason

#

even though it isnt wholesome

#

it's like everything is ok

misty vector
#

It kinda makes me feel dread lol

#

Like theyre going to get her eventually

crystal forum
#

i guess that's what makes the show good

#

well now i do feel some level of dread because of the food situation

misty vector
#

Yeahhh

#

Like whats the plan gonna be if they cant farm

crystal forum
#

also did you notice that 7 billion people are stated to be alive

misty vector
#

Yeah

crystal forum
#

that's over a billion people dead since the first episode

#

wild

misty vector
#

Yeah death count from the start was like 800 million right

#

From the first joining or whatever

crystal forum
#

yeah

#

and then carol's outburst

misty vector
#

Thats crazy

#

800 million people in like planes or cars or something

#

And hitting their head on the floor

crystal forum
#

i think some people just died from the shock

#

like carol's partner

misty vector
#

Yeah prob because it did give everyone an actual seizure

crystal forum
#

did you watch episode 6

#

the new one

misty vector
#

I have yeah

crystal forum
misty vector
#

Hmmm

#

|| must be someone isolated they missed ||

crystal forum
#

anyways we all love our Paraguayan hero

#

calls his mom a bitch, drives away

misty vector
#

Saw a lot of discussion if the drive is possible

crystal forum
misty vector
crystal forum
#

carol's going to end up killing her at some point i swear

#

thats just her type of freak

green loom
#

She almost did already no

rocky gale
crystal forum
#

you cannot escape

rocky gale
#

What show?

crystal forum
#

pluribus

rocky gale
#

I like her happy little smile

crystal forum
#

then you will like the show

#

because she's always smiling

#

lore chat must become pluribus channel

rocky gale
#

Why'd they name it after the thing from Rick and Morty?

dapper gyro
#

That's a question no one wants to know the answer to.

crystal forum
rocky gale
#

Hey what you do with your Plumbus is your own business

daring creek
#

Whathammer

daring creek
rose thorn
#

No grotmas yet today

celest dome
#

No Rumour Engine suff like last year

rose thorn
#

Hey wtf is the drukhari detachments, I’ve literally heard no word or opinions about them

rocky gale
#

Think Reapers Wager is still the best performing one, but Kabalite Cartel is fun/good

#

No idea about Realspace Raid because I don't think anyone runs it anymore, Skysplinter Assault is still solid and not sure about Spectacle of Spite and Covenite Coterie because I run mostly Kabal

urban spire
#

thinkin about doin a little bit of fanfic writing, anyone know if the mechanicus has an internal affairs org for hunting hereteks?

rocky gale
#

There are the Arcuitor Magisterium who are part of the Prefecture Magisterium

wet sandal
#

Collegiate Extremis

vagrant fox
#

Collegiate Extremis and Prefecture Magisterium

rocky gale
#

The Prefecture Magisterium are like the secret police

urban spire
#

these names are terrible

vagrant fox
#

yea, cool as hell

urban spire
#

no snap

vagrant fox
#

Extremis only shows up in Flesh and Steel afaik but you know, have at it

urban spire
#

collegiate extremis sounds cool but it sounds more like a name hereteks would use

tough haven
#

Astynomia is the planetary investigation force for worlds that have big mechanicus presence

#

They kinda work with extremis

#

but are somewhat at odds

rocky gale
#

Collegiate Extremis more make sure that Forge Worlds are in compliance rather than hunt down individuals

#

But the two groups overlap and police each other

wintry scarab
#

The bodyguard has a line specifically about not having an implant that i just saw.

urban spire
#

alright it sounds like it's the typical pre-having their own rulebook mechanicus morass of information, so i'm gonna feel free to wing it

tough haven
#

Magos Juris?

#

that might work for you

urban spire
#

oh maybe

wet sandal
#

You're aiming to write a fanfic, "winging it" is all you'll be doing

rocky gale
urban spire
#

yeah except it's the galaxy spanning tech nazis

urban spire
rocky gale
#

The Empire in Star Wars also has it

wet sandal
rocky gale
#

With like the ISB and Imperial Intelligence filling similar roles while policing and undermining eachother

celest dome
urban spire
#

lords dragon is a sick name but my brain tries to tie it to the whatsit

#

order of the dragon, of the fantasy setting known as 15th century romania

celest dome
#

Armed forced of the Admech in the Callixis sector, Crimson Guard

urban spire
#

i know those guys, i played one in uh

#

Only War?

celest dome
#

yes

storm jungle
#

none of the other 3 do

urban spire
#

i like to think ogryn aren't that stupid, just poorly educated and not a good fit off their native high gravity worlds

#

the claustrophobia makes a lot of sense when there's evolutionary pressure to under no circumstances be under anything, lest it fall and kill you instantly

#

hell it doesn't even have to be evolution, just culture explains it fine

celest dome
celest cedar
#

the heavy is very intelligent i think

celest dome
#

As for claustrophobia, it is somewhat easier to be such when you're towering over everyone else and the infrastructure is made for people half your size

queen laurel
#

that guy looks for business opportunities in the middle of the fight

#

He is very smart

celest cedar
urban spire
#

no schola for ogryn

queen laurel
#

as you can see with heavy he is like the least liked ogryn

#

an ogryn that can think for himself cannot be easily control