40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-ip-gif-58277614508520184

[nocturne crest]

Okay. Catachan class would be out then.

[storm jungle]

A catachan class is basically just vet

but he has bigger biceps

[humble shoal]

Ok but can my vet shoulder carry a heavy bolter

And be shirtless

[celest dome]

Nah, give that to the Ogryn

[valid needle]

Most are made like Dilara said to protect the valued marine and less for constant battle. It’s a very bad day for a chapter when their dreadnoughts need to take the field.

[celest dome]

Gunlugger give them that

[storm jungle]

Yeah dreadnaughts work on the rule of cool which is fine

in reality they'd need total escort at all times like a tank unless they wanted to eat like 2-3 RPGs and just get shredded which would suck

[humble shoal]

Will you lead the dreadnought to the slaughter?

[storm jungle]

no

[wintry cloud]

Fitting for the rightful ruler of necromunda i guess

[humble shoal]

The dreadnought will remember this

[storm jungle]

gets blown up

[wintry cloud]

Dog is gigantic

[arctic talon]

Jfc he’s big

[wintry cloud]

Fr

[valid needle]

See when the blood angels had to wake brother ignis and he went down fighting genestealers. Very bad day for them when he was the only option left.

[arctic talon]

Those DAOT gene enhancements hit different

[storm jungle]

What the fuck i thought he was marine sized

[arctic talon]

lol

[vagrant fox]

see playing one in deathwatch
a few lascannon shots and you're eating shit

[storm jungle]

The worst fate for a dreadnaught

wake up

realise its a last stand scene

you're cooked

🥀

[arctic talon]

This may be a case of mini compare scaling wrong

But we dunno

No one has the mini physically yet

[vagrant fox]

he's a big guy

[storm jungle]

for you

[humble shoal]

Wonder if they will kill off bjorn at some point

[arctic talon]

I’d assume he’s around vandroth sized

lol

[valid needle]

To be fair he did cook a good few on his way out, literally, with his flame thrower

[storm jungle]

No lmao

no canon main character ever dies

[arctic talon]

I mean

Kell died

lol

[storm jungle]

...who?

[arctic talon]

But no one gives a shit about him

Lmao

[storm jungle]

Yeah again. "Main" character.

lol

[arctic talon]

He’s an old ass guard character, first cadian named character ever

[storm jungle]

Oh Creed's boyfriend

[arctic talon]

Bro got impaled by Abby D and bled out lol

Yeah

[storm jungle]

yeah literally nobody gives a shit about him

[arctic talon]

Creeds boyfriend

[storm jungle]

I love how when people argue against the "no main characters ever die" thing they say like

[storm jungle]

"WELL, TYCHO DIED"

Damn still massive

[arctic talon]

Jfc lol

Also tycho came out dead

He doesn’t count

[wintry cloud]

Well when you’re the big E of the greatest gang city ever yeah

[storm jungle]

Now people will say the same with Chairon

[wintry cloud]

Ig youd be pretty tall

[vagrant fox]

horus was pretty main character ☝️ 🤓

[storm jungle]

"he was such a huge character"

literal token black dude

[arctic talon]

Lord Solar macharius also came out dead

lol

[storm jungle]

He was always dead

these dont count

jfc

lmao

[arctic talon]

No im using him as another example of came out dead

Dilara smh

I’m not saying he counts

[wintry cloud]

Theres gonna be a chairon statue in SM3 watch

[storm jungle]

How can you come out dead if you were never alive in the first palce?

https://tenor.com/view/quantum-scary-movie-angry-gif-16149283

[arctic talon]

Because he got a mini

lol

[storm jungle]

missed my reference

nimrod

[arctic talon]

I’m dumb

[humble shoal]

Really a green day fan today dilara

[storm jungle]

I like red.

so false again, get outta here

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-chat-bubble-chat-speech-civil-protection-combine-gif-17796992237372618816

[celest dome]

Yet you're yellow 😔

[arctic talon]

Friendliest underhive preacher

[humble shoal]

Great guy

Great barbecues

[arctic talon]

I do feel like he was actually a great person(by imperial preacher standards)

He just also ate people

Besides extra protein never hurts in the underhive

[humble shoal]

I like to think he did it live

[arctic talon]

Did you know that nimrod actually a great hunter 💀

[storm jungle]

I know but its a funny insult

lmao

[valid needle]

Average dreadnought getting woken up and it’s a last stand he will certainly die in scenario💀

[arctic talon]

It’s so funny how it’s an insult now because of funny cartoons lol

[storm jungle]

God this entire animation is so goofy but yeah basically lol

[storm jungle]

Bugs Bunny is as worse as hitler

[valid needle]

Eh the story was fun but the art style was a bit funky

But I’ve never seen a style like that so I wasn’t used to it

[storm jungle]

"fun" is one way to put it

[valid needle]

But I’m sure some people enjoy it

[storm jungle]

Yeah ones with hamster wheels for brains

😭

[valid needle]

It’s a bit on the nose

Yes for our blood angels series the art style is going to be only red and blood show in colour

[jade holly]

I’m only on about page 9 but I can’t tell if Zahndrehk is senile or in 1,000 layers of denial

I honestly get a bit of a Junkrat and Roadhog relationship between Zahndrehk and Obyron

[storm jungle]

How much do you want the camera to shake

[storm jungle]

LMAO junkrat/roadhog mention for them is crazy but I approve

Also I wont give spoilers regarding his senility but keep reading

[valid needle]

That fight was lowkey tragic tho😢

[storm jungle]

basically the "base" lore joke is that he legit thinks they are in the Times of Flesh/Pre-Transference

[jade holly]

I mean am I wrong? Eccentric crazed mastermind with a large, stoic and silent bodyguard who quietly ruminates his annoyance with his partner?

[storm jungle]

I did say I agree

[jade holly]

I don’t know whether to feel sorry for the guy or laugh at him lmao

[storm jungle]

Considering by necron standards hes a very honest/honorable chap id say mostly sympaty lol

[jade holly]

“Oh what a wonderful, bright day my friend”

literally on a ball of rock being cooked alive by radiation

[arctic talon]

“I do not understand what the rebels wished to accomplish by stripping themselves of clothes, painting their skin green, screaming and acting like savages but it truly shows how far they have fallen”

My goat

[storm jungle]

LMFAO YEAH I WAS GONNA SAY THAT

its very much a mix of sympathy mixed with comedy

[arctic talon]

Also he dabs in his mini

lol

[rose thorn]

the fuck lmao

[storm jungle]

He has dementia.

[rose thorn]

ah

OH we are talking about the gay old men

[storm jungle]

LOL

[jade holly]

So Zahndrehk is a Nemesor, where is that in the hierarchy?

[humble shoal]

So true

[arctic talon]

Extremely high ranking overlord

[rose thorn]

old man yaoi peak

[storm jungle]

Nemesor is a prestigious military rank used by the Necrons.[1]

They fall under the control of higher ranked Necron Overlords but command more power than standard Necron Lords.[1] The rank involves great military and leadership responsibilities: battlefield commander, high strategist, champion of the dynastic codes, envoy, exemplar and protector of their dynasty.[2]

[jade holly]

I pity everyone who serves under him lmao

[arctic talon]

He’s got people above him

[storm jungle]

But Obie doesnt abuse his position, he uses it to look after Zahdrekh

[arctic talon]

But he’s very high up

[humble shoal]

Anyways we should have orktide but its blood bowl so I can play a digga

Or the next darktide class should be a purple ork

[storm jungle]

It helps that Zahn is also like legit a very good commander

[jade holly]

Zahndrehk the type of guy to look at a gun aimed at him and go “in my day we would’ve just stabbed each other” and then get shot like old cartoons

[rose thorn]

i havent checked reddit yet, hwo are people taking the short story as their grotmas

[jade holly]

Damn now I’m imagining him hobbling everywhere with a hunched back despite being in perfect working order

[storm jungle]

Hes not like that kind of old person

hes very much just eccentric and very active

just senile

[jade holly]

Give it another millennia

Obyron is just looking after his grandpa

[arctic talon]

Fine prolly

Idfk

[humble shoal]

Senile necrons are best necrons

[jade holly]

Ngl I thought Necrons were emotionless

Well prob the low level cannon fodder are

[arctic talon]

Also Zahndrekh is very egotistical

But whatever

He’s hilarious

“It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.”

[jade holly]

Trazyn and Orikan are just the Grandmaster and Collector from Marvel

[arctic talon]

Necrons start to be sentient around the rank/role of immortals

[storm jungle]

^

[humble shoal]

Are lower level flayed ones sentient?

[storm jungle]

Every noble/royalty has their own personality and wants.

[storm jungle]

no

they are literally crazy and mindless

[arctic talon]

Flayed ones are “sentient”

[rose thorn]

is it an age thing that makes them ssentient or does their superior grant them sentients

[arctic talon]

In the sense that they went insane

[arctic talon]

Better bodies

[rose thorn]

ah gotcha

[arctic talon]

Necron warriors engrams are as complex as overlords

[jade holly]

Destroyer Cults 🤝 Admech 🤝 Iron Hands

Being a robot is sick

[humble shoal]

My logic is in order to go insane you need some level of sentience

[arctic talon]

But the bodies are stunted intentionally

To keep them mindless

[storm jungle]

Not really no, you can just be a husk

[humble shoal]

Unless its more like a roomba decided to run over someone

[rose thorn]

lmao

[storm jungle]

a roomba isnt a semi-sentient being so not close

[arctic talon]

Flayed ones tend to suffer form the disphorek so badly

[rose thorn]

i just think of that short story / ARG with the satellites that became sentient

[arctic talon]

They just have completely lost it

And are no longer sentient really

[storm jungle]

tbh

some dynasties literally use cat baiting tactics to lead Flayed Ones to battle

so lol

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-meme-toy-lol-gif-25820548

[rose thorn]

OH SHIT AOS RULES UPDATE

[jade holly]

Flayed Ones are prob my least favorite Necrons

I think I’m gonna hang with senile grandpa and his giant of a grandson

[storm jungle]

They are very fascinating once you get into them. From the surface they are just mindless zombies tho yeah

[jade holly]

Is Imotekh the main rival to the Silent King?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[nocturne crest]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Yes

He basically thinks SK is an idiot for wanting to return the necrons to be flesh again and that the species has already achieved its greatest strenght, aka only leaders remain and all their subjects are OP murder-terminators

[arctic talon]

Also Imotekh wants to take over the galaxy

And he wants subjects to rule over

[jade holly]

So Silent King is team flesh, Imotekh is team robots and galactic domination

[storm jungle]

Basically yeah

Hes so petty he literally attacked the Pariah Nexus to cause a civil war between himself/his supporters and the Silent King and his own entourage

to the point that Imotekh outright ignores Imperial forces to attack SKs dudes

PRIME Hater

[jade holly]

So the Eobard Thawne to SK’s Flash

[arctic talon]

Also imotekh doesn’t like the pariah nexus

[jade holly]

It was me Szarekh

[arctic talon]

Because braindead subjects cannot build him a glorious statue

About his greatness

[storm jungle]

Kind of, Imotekh is more the royal petty

thawne is like psycho tier

mfer erased his ex-girlfriend out of fucking existence for dumping him

[jade holly]

Meanwhile Trazyn and Orikan be like
“Fuck you, see you next century”

[vital ginkgo]

Has the time problem calmed down at all since the great rift opened? I heard it may not be too bad in imperium sanctus but worse in nihilus?

[storm jungle]

Nope. It still exists and will continue as long as the Rift exists.

And the problem is kinda the same and severe everywhere even in Sanctus, just way worse in Nihilus

[jade holly]

Okay Imotekh is sick

[storm jungle]

Read his wiki or lexi page hes a boss.

Mfer is so arrogant the moment he defeats an opposing army's leader he cuts off their hand and takes it as a trophy while letting them live

[jade holly]

How tf…

Oh hand

I thought you said Head

[arctic talon]

Ego, aura, power

[jade holly]

Lmao

He cuts off their head, then lets them live

Necron tech is some wild shit lemme tell you

[storm jungle]

Its not even tech he just expects them to live lol

the motion behind it is humiliation

[outer wave]

What if I win against him and take my hand back? What does he do then, hmm?

[jade holly]

What do you mean they need a head to live?

No wonder we’re superior

[humble shoal]

I still want a thunderhammer with a necron head

[storm jungle]

he already did the act of de-handing you, thats enough of an insult as is. Thats what Helbrecht did when he cut his hand off, he just replaced it with a bionic but he was RAGING.

[humble shoal]

With a 1d100 of random effects

[outer wave]

Honestly thats pretty funny

[jade holly]

Wait Imotekh weaponized Flayed Ones??

[humble shoal]

Roll a 95-100 and the necron revives

With varying levels of "oh fuck"

[languid meadow]

well a lot of dynasties do

[jade holly]

Ok fair

[languid meadow]

it's not new and it's an easy way to try and get rid of them

better for them to die than to "infect" other necrons

[jade holly]

Is he the only one who uses Blood NanoScarabs?

[storm jungle]

As a rule yes but you can also use them

necron tech is super advanced so

[humble shoal]

Every time I think of flayed ones I am cursed to remember a /tg/ greentext about flayed ones complaining that lasgun rounds are bad for the skin

[jade holly]

Damn

Now I’m invested in the civil war between Imotekh and Szarekh

[late verge]

Do darkmech like ai

[arctic talon]

Depends

Some hate it

Some like it

Some don’t care

[celest dome]

Why have AI when you could just have some Daemons stuck in the stuff

[arctic talon]

^

A vast majority we’ve seen dislike it/hate it on religious grounds

daemons are also

Way easier to use

[celest dome]

Dark Mechanicum is closer on a philosophical level to the Adeptus Mechanicus than to the various Chaos cults

Just with Daemons

[jade holly]

Can Necrons do any form of chaos magic despite not having souls or Psykers?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

No

Necrons are very bad with the warp

[jade holly]

If anything they’re very anti chaos

Especially with the Pariah Nexus

[arctic talon]

All their anti warp related stuff is partially taken from other places

Blackstone is likely an old ones creation

[jade holly]

Was trust trying to think of a homebrew idea to make a Dynasty that’s just Doctor Doom lmao

[arctic talon]

Have crypteks do their stuff

They have tech that’s like magic

[nocturne crest]

What is a knight commander?

Is it a guard role or are there actually knights on Atoma?

[opaque coyote]

Zahndrekh is my favorite Necron character

Purely because my man is literally delusional

And constantly thinks he's in the past

But yet he still kicks everybody's ass

Imagine realizing you're defeated

By a robot man who still thinks it's Pre- War in Heaven

[celest dome]

Commander of a Tank division

Like Knight Commander Pask

[opaque coyote]

He is handicapped and crazy and yet he kicks ass

[nocturne crest]

Ah

[arctic talon]

Fancy name for commander of a tank division, used primarily by Cadian regiments

[late verge]

I love daemons

[humble shoal]

Not to be confused with a princeps

The commander of a knight

[arctic talon]

*titan

A knight pilot would just be a Lord/Lordess

[humble shoal]

Ah right

I always forget knights arent titans

[arctic talon]

Titans are their own weird sub culture within the mechanicus

[humble shoal]

Are forgfiends considered titans

[hallow saddle]

nah

theyre way way smaller

theyre just daemon engines

theyre smaller than knights let alone titans

[celest dome]

Kinda of similar to an Armiger

[rocky gale]

Puny Forgefiend

[arctic talon]

Titans are titans because they require a princeps + moderatii

[hallow saddle]

saw that

[arctic talon]

lol

The largest knight still only needs the pilot and that’s it

[rocky gale]

I Knight can technically be piloted by a Princess

[arctic talon]

A knight is probably piloted by a princess on several knight worlds

lol

[celest dome]

The new Scum trailer is great

[arctic talon]

Also most obnoxiously

For a house mechanicus

The High King/Queen is called a princeps often

Because fuck clarity

4 different types of things related to the mechanicus all called princeps let’s gooooooo

[valid needle]

And hundreds of staff💀

[rocky gale]

GW needs more Princeps in 40k, I was going to use Princeps as a title in my omnibus

[plush mason]

correct me if im wrong but doesnt princeps basically mean pinnacle?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[rocky gale]

First, foremost etc etc

[lament shoal]

New trailer?

[rose thorn]

chilling
think about 40K YouTubers
remeber something some lore YouTuber said that was really stupid

FML

I annoyed my self about people not knowing what a creative thought is

Some YouTuber said that if GW was a little bit more creative it could’ve been an imperium faction and like

There is sick people in thr world that think GSC should have been an imperium faction

[rocky gale]

Wut

[rose thorn]

youtubers and redditors think GSC shoudl have been an all human faction

[rocky gale]

How would that even work

[rose thorn]

makign them rebels or something

i dontget it

what factions do peole have the most nonsensical opinions baout

its like, gsc, guard

the codex complaint chapters

do redditors even haev an opinion on eldar?

[arctic talon]

That would not be imperium

💀

[rose thorn]

I KNOW LMAO

[rustic patrol]

I think the idea was, "you don't need to be part of an alien hive mind to have an uprising rebel anti-classist faction against the Imperium."

which, tbf, is true.

but that's bringing politics into 40k, which isn't recommended

[lament shoal]

Its cooler with the alien hive mind tho

[rose thorn]

ye

[storm jungle]

You can do both imo

[storm jungle]

also 40k has always been political

[rustic patrol]

I'm just the messenger.

idc whether they're alien or not alien

[rose thorn]

you can be freedom fighters AND be in a hive mind

[storm jungle]

its core message is "dont give into fascism and be a nutjob"

GW said as much a year or so ago

[sacred ginkgo]

40k is political satire all the way down

[storm jungle]

yeah that

[rose thorn]

fascism and opresson invited even worse evils somethign somethign something

idk if i got the quote right

[storm jungle]

Yeah and GSC is cool, i just dont blame people for wishing there was a proper rebel army

would be cool but alas

[rose thorn]

thats waht necromunda is for

[rustic patrol]

It's not that 40k has no political commentary, but people complaining that GSC should have been an all human faction are sort of like the people who complain there are no female space marines.

like, dude, it's a game. doesn't have to align with modern taboos

[storm jungle]

I mean GW has been very much leaning towards appealing the game to people with diversity in its ranges among other things. I wouldnt call that "modern taboos".

Back in the day in warhammer you couldnt find a single army that wasnt Sisters with a female model or a non-white guy in its range/amidst its characters

And it has clearly succeeded since the huge post-2018 reboot, people love it.

[wintry cloud]

modern taboos eh

[rustic patrol]

well, even back then they sort of tried for more diverse stuff

Tallarns were one of those attemts iirc

[rose thorn]

like free health care and livable wages

[wintry cloud]

or women and minorities

[rocky gale]

Tallarn weren't really an attempt at diversity, they were an appeal to the white guys fantasy of Lawrence of Arabia/The Desert Rats

[storm jungle]

They really didnt. Tallarn was just white guys in beduin gear.

it was a white british guys' idea of "oh this foreign thing looks cool lets just nab it"

and i say this as a muslim lol

[rose thorn]

The Gulf War Rp is real

[storm jungle]

Yeah that too lol but basically what Iarmoth said

[rocky gale]

What are you talking about

[storm jungle]

KLDSFSDKFKSFLSFKLSF

but yeah like to give you an idea It took us 35 years to get a black named space marine character with an actual miniature.

35 years lol

[wintry cloud]

im trying to predict what his response is
I hope its what I think it is

[rose thorn]

I mean it took until 1951 until a black person played a major role in a british movie

so that lines up

How long did it take for 40K to get an Asian character model

[rustic patrol]

When were White Scars released? That's probably the answer.

[dapper gyro]

You have the whhite scars, kind off.

[arctic talon]

2002

[rose thorn]

I think, it was the HH models right?

[arctic talon]

white scars dude is mongolian

[rose thorn]

Christ

[arctic talon]

unless you're really racist

and don't consider central asians asians

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

WH didnt get the asian theme until like years later yeah lol

[arctic talon]

nah

[storm jungle]

and even then their actual models were even MORE after that

[arctic talon]

white scars were mongolian from like

3e

but their first actual mini was 2002

Lol

[storm jungle]

im talking features-wise nimrod

[rustic patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-brooklyn-nine-nine-b99-terry-crews-terry-jeffords-gif-13703698

[dapper gyro]

mouldding limitation

[arctic talon]

GW tried to do East Asian looking minis in the past for WHFB

once

and didn't try again until like

5e 40k

Lol

Nippon moment

[rustic patrol]

This the Tekarn?

[arctic talon]

nah

I'm talking about Nippon in WHFB

who were a uh

[storm jungle]

Oof

[arctic talon]

interesting thing

[storm jungle]

Clan Toyota

💀

[arctic talon]

the minis just looked butt ugly

lol

the lore was pretty offensive

[rustic patrol]

woooooooow did not know that

[arctic talon]

but not the worst

look all I'm saying

is it was better then the Original Araby lore

[storm jungle]

Yeah the other non-european ones were like way worse lmfao

[arctic talon]

nah Ind is like

the least not bad

by far

[storm jungle]

I mean

thats because it basically had no lore Elite

LMAO

[arctic talon]

LOL

TRUE

[storm jungle]

literally just

trade good

tigerpeople

lmao

[arctic talon]

also some like

vague indian culture but whfb'ified

[storm jungle]

Araby was literally Aladdin

[arctic talon]

no

not that iteration

[storm jungle]

down to fucking genies and flying carpets

[arctic talon]

the really racist iteration

where Allah was Tzeentch

[storm jungle]

I mean-

looking at my country Turkey now..........

[arctic talon]

💀

[storm jungle]

yeah also in older editions where the residents were just called "Arabs"

😭

[dapper gyro]

time to eat it

[arctic talon]

okay whats with the name change to Türkiye

like its not bad

but more so why

is it how its spelled in Turkish?

[winged jacinth]

Its how they've always spelled it yeah

[arctic talon]

ah

that makes sense then

[winged jacinth]

Also captures the phonetics better instead of being the bird

[storm jungle]

Literally just annoyance by the leading party

thats it lol

also yeah its how its spelled in Turkish

but its basically just from "GRRR WE DONT LIKE IT", theres no real diplomatic or real proper reason for it beyond that.

[winged jacinth]

Better than india trying to switch to the very historical bharat

[surreal nest]

its stupid and I hate it. Your new name is Warhammer

Sorry.

[vagrant fox]

tired of the turkey bird memes is the only reason, guaranteed

[arctic talon]

I see

[winged jacinth]

The reasoning for which was the opposition coalition managed to make their acronym INDIA so the modi hindutava types went "NOOOOO YOU CANT DO THAT"

[surreal nest]

can you believe? chaos warriors, only 8 days away

[valid needle]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/1zh6qkxk/grotmas-calendar-day-1-titus-arrives-in-ultramar/ God Emperor worship? In muh Ultramarines propaganda? Very interesting😈

[surreal nest]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-1week-until-christmas-christmas-week-meme-airpods-christmas-meme-gif-24202365

i have my graveyard ER shift in 6 hours and i have not slept can somebody euthanize me

[arctic talon]

Understood

[surreal nest]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-out-gif-17157628185644905561

[surreal nest]

jarvis, reduce this mans lifespan to milliseconds with a lethal dose of everything ever

[valid needle]

Just take some epinephrine

[rustic patrol]

that looks like the vending machine guns from Cyberpunk

[rocky gale]

Bruh 2026 looks like it's going to change a ton of stuff for League

Atakhan is going and so is Feats of Warfare, instead of Feats each role will have their own individual quest with each role getting a different reward
ADC get a lump of gold, extra gold generation from kills and a 7th item slot solely for boots, Midlane get Tier 3 boots and Empowered recall, Top get Teleport buffs and their lvl cap becomes 20, Support get a 7th slot for control wards, get control wards for cheaper and get more passive gold, then looks like JGL are just getting buffs for their Jungle pet

[arctic talon]

Yep

[arctic talon]

The slaughtomatic is def based on a captive bolt gun for the hilt lol

[surreal nest]

Is that the thing David from cyberpunk edgerunners uses

[arctic talon]

No

[valid needle]

Nah he takes cocaine

[arctic talon]

David in 2077 doesn’t take enough combat stimulants

Smh

[surreal nest]

Finally somebody spits up the truth

[valid needle]

Edgerunners was great

[arctic talon]

Solo with no drug abuse issue isn’t a true solo

Smh

[rustic patrol]

would have been hard to market the anime if it did

[valid needle]

David whining all through it about oh no I’m gonna go psycho I’m gonna go psycho was annoying

[arctic talon]

They wanted to show full frontal nudity for David as well but Netflix said no

lol

[valid needle]

Shut up David and take more coke already

[rustic patrol]

lol

[arctic talon]

David ironically never takes synthcoke in edgerunners

Cocaine plants are extinct in cyberpunk anyways

As of 2024

The NUSA and Mexico accidentally killed them all with an engineered bio plague

[valid needle]

MDMA then

[arctic talon]

Nah

Just take synthcoke

Smh

[valid needle]

That mf was on something but not enough of it anyway

[arctic talon]

Besides most irl illicit drugs don’t have shit on the actual illicit drugs in 2077

lol

Synthcoke is legal

You can buy that shit over the counter

[rocky gale]

Also this new item is literally just Xolaani

[arctic talon]

lol

[rocky gale]

Add her to the game Riot, you cowards

[arctic talon]

They won’t

Smh

[wet sandal]

I need me some black lace tbh

[arctic talon]

She’s not gonna be in for so long

[rocky gale]

Soon

[arctic talon]

The good shit

If the stuff doesn’t make me fent fold as a side effect I don’t want it

[dapper gyro]

At that point, might as well go with high dose of adrenaline.

[young pecan]

My theory goes forever unanswered sadly

[arctic talon]

The berserk cyberware shares the name with the street drug from Red and 2020

So I choose to believe the cyberware just injects as much of the drug into your body as you can handle

[arctic talon]

What if David has a Mr studd lol?

[wet sandal]

Give me the shit that makes sparks fly out of neural sockets

[young pecan]

That's about what it was, yeah

[arctic talon]

There’s a drug that makes your body totally freak out but your brain work way better lol

It’s good for netrunners as long as you cover them

While they’re tweaking the fuck out

[arctic talon]

Honestly based on his cyberware addiction prolly

Like

It’s a very simple piece of cyberware

[plush mason]

every man's fantasy, cock enlargement lmao

[dapper gyro]

Not for me, I want stamina.

[winter pine]

Deep Dive seemed like fun stuff ngl

[arctic talon]

Mr studd does that as well

💀

[spring cairn]

my 8 years old son stuck in the car under the scorching summer heat

[median star]

hmm

[jade holly]

There’s a lot of different ways to run a Necron army on tabletop huh?

[arctic talon]

most armies have a lot of playstyles

tbh

[jade holly]

Sautekh dynasty army, Szarekhan army, Trazyn’s collection army (not his museum artifacts cause obv)

[arctic talon]

they just have a core "theme" that you should always expect universally

[jade holly]

can’t you even run Imotekh and Szarekh at the same time?

[arctic talon]

Yes

you can run them at the same time

I think

yeah you can run them both

[jade holly]

That’s cursed

What’s the limit on named characters like that in an army?

Are they called Hero units/Epic Hero units or did I pull that outta thin air?

[arctic talon]

They're called Epic heroes yeah

you can run as many as you can fit technically

under old force org they'd eat up the same slots as other characters

[opaque coyote]

Honestly 40k has cases of terminology being

Uhhh

Very weird

The one who teaches new SMs in the Black Templars is called an initiate

Not the new SM themselves

For some reason that I cannot fathom

[jade holly]

should be Initiator ngl

if they wanna do that

[arctic talon]

as an example

[jade holly]

I’m conflicted. On one hand Szarekh is the sickest centerpiece mini I’ve ever seen

[opaque coyote]

Yeah it's stupid as hell.

Neophyte is a new SM in the Black Templars

Initiate is the rank and file

[jade holly]

On the other Imotekh seems like he does a fun area control army

[opaque coyote]

And Sword Brethren are Elite SMs

[arctic talon]

This is the thing people like, want back specifically rather then open building

[arctic talon]

warlord/named character choice hardly influences how you build your army list

tbh

which is good

[opaque coyote]

Instead of just calling the new SMs initiates, the soldiers Sword-Brethren, and calling the elite... idk something like Knight or something

[jade holly]

Don’t named characters give unique effects to the army?

[arctic talon]

Centerpiece models are the exception

since they're such a huge investment

[opaque coyote]

Or actually since the Black Templar SM training system is a parallel of Knight and Squire

They could've just done that for names also

[arctic talon]

They themselves have unique rules but very few influence the entire army

which is on purpose

[opaque coyote]

But it could also confuse Black Templar Knights for the Mecha Knights

So that would be confusing but different

[jade holly]

What do people consider some of the best centerpieces from a display standpoint?

[opaque coyote]

[jade holly]

Cause Szarekh is awesome

Void Dragon too

[arctic talon]

for 40k?

[jade holly]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

The Silent King probably

people like Mortarion quite a bit as well

[jade holly]

Is it weird I’m calling SK by his real name?

[arctic talon]

No

its just what he's called(mostly)

The Silent King

[arctic talon]

so I just use that

40k isn't as much for massive centerpiece minis

if you want those go to AoS

[jade holly]

My only gripe with the SK centerpiece is probably whether SK himself is meant to look more grandiose or not

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/valvatorez-disgaea-aura-aura-farming-vampire-gif-1208418638550092521

[jade holly]

How valuable of a unit is the Monolith?

[opaque coyote]

Silent King took the vow of silence not as penance but because he is constantly mewing

[jade holly]

This is prob my favorite art I found of him

God I hope it’s not AI, I’m too paranoid about that these days

[arctic talon]

oh also belakor

people like Belakor a lot

[arctic talon]

meme tier mostly

way too big

[jade holly]

Be’lakor? Big demon guy?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[jade holly]

The guy who got screwed over instead of becoming the 5th chaos god?

[opaque coyote]

He also really likes this pose

[arctic talon]

Well he can't become a 5th chaos god anyways

lol

he's the 4's bitch

[jade holly]

Balrog

[arctic talon]

whether he likes it or not

[jade holly]

You can’t unsee it

[arctic talon]

most massive vehicles in 40k

are awful

because much like real life they're a huge fucking target lol

and have a hard time moving around

Monoliths are only really good in the detachment built entierly around them

[opaque coyote]

Basically he might be on more copium than Archaon

[jade holly]

Aren’t they mostly used as a glorified drop pod by just getting close enough to drop a bunch of melee units on people?

[arctic talon]

No

[jade holly]

Vehicles I’m talking about not Monoliths

[arctic talon]

You’re talking about the obelisk

[opaque coyote]

Chaos MFS are either fully evil

On copium

Or both

[arctic talon]

It is used for zone control mostly

It’s also hugely impractical for that

Because of how big it is

It gets shot to shit mostly

[jade holly]

Nah that whole dropping people onto stuff is about vehicles. Otherwise yeah the rest was about the Monoliths

[arctic talon]

Oh ghost arks?

Ghost arks are just bad

💀

[jade holly]

I mean in general for vehicles

[arctic talon]

Vehicles in Necrons have varied uses

Some are big gun pieces

[jade holly]

the ones that you can stash units in for any army that does that

[arctic talon]

Oh transports

[jade holly]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

You usually shove shield lychguard in

Transports

Flayed ones are cannon fodder

[jade holly]

I’m guessing Nemesor Zahndekh loves Lychgaurd units?

[arctic talon]

His ability is unrelated to them

[jade holly]

Oh

[arctic talon]

But he can be attached to them

[jade holly]

I know he gets fun stuff with Obyron

They’re like a 2-in-1 deal

[arctic talon]

He’s on as much as Archaon tbh

[vital ginkgo]

Out of all the human subspecies which one is most influential in the imperium? (Not counting baseline humans)

[median star]

navigators

[jade holly]

Is there a difference between the Character tag and Epic Hero tag on units?

[dapper gyro]

Yes

[median star]

p sure you can only have one of each epic

[dapper gyro]

Some units get character tag because they are more specialized and less common.

All of the temple assassin units are "character" unit for example.

[jade holly]

So Epic Hero are named and can get only one of in an army, Character you can have multiple of?

Like Necron Overlords vs Imotekh

[dapper gyro]

They can be attached to any Imperium army as a front line unit.

[jade holly]

Why am I finding army building with Necrons easier than Space Marines

[arctic talon]

Navigators and it’s not even close

[arctic talon]

You can have 3 overlords + imotekh

[arctic talon]

Because marines have massive army bloat lol

[vital ginkgo]

Why don't they have a seat among the high lords of terra?

[arctic talon]

They do

[jade holly]

And only one overlord per squad correct?

[vital ginkgo]

I looked it up and couldn't find them

[jade holly]

Does either Orikan or Zahndrekh have the Overlord tag?

[arctic talon]

The Paternoval Envoy of the Navis Nobilite

[arctic talon]

Yes

[arctic talon]

Orikan is a Cryptek

Zandrekh is an overlord

You can have 3 of the overlord unit

You can run more overlords via named characters

[vital ginkgo]

Ah okay I saw that but didn't think it was a navigator

[jade holly]

The only thing I’m still confused on atm is limits to how many of a unit in an army. I saw Immortals aren’t labeled as Battleline so they only get 3 units in an army. Does that mean I can only have 3 squads of them or that I can literally only have 3 of them?

[arctic talon]

3 squads of them

[jade holly]

Ok

[vital ginkgo]

Because it didn't say "navis nobilite"

[jade holly]

I’m guessing the more fodder units have the Battleline label?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[jade holly]

So for Necrons it’d be the Warriors?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[jade holly]

Noice

[dapper gyro]

Too many sub faction rules and hyperspecialized units that are worthless if they don't hard counter the enemy.

[arctic talon]

^

Marines have unit bloat

No other army in 40k suffers from this

[jade holly]

Not to mention each chapter has their own little quirks

[arctic talon]

Well

Not really

[dapper gyro]

That's the sub faction rules.

[arctic talon]

Only the first founding ones have subfaction stuff and also black Templars

lol

Oh also crimson fists

lol

[jade holly]

Man someone really wanted WB to stay loyalist

So they just made the BT

[dapper gyro]

Gay knight and DW are also considered marines.

[arctic talon]

Grey knights are their own thing army wise

DW basically run no normal marine things aside from vehicles

[jade holly]

Custodes are their own thing too?

[arctic talon]

Custodes aren’t marines

Custodes are custodes

[jade holly]

Yeah that’s what I asked lol

[arctic talon]

They don’t have the Astarte keyword

Which Grey knights do Lul

[jade holly]

Too confusing

[arctic talon]

But grey knights as their own army on purpose

[jade holly]

Back to my funny depressed robots

[dapper gyro]

Necron and Eldar are unironically the most rounded armies.

[jade holly]

Trazyn counts as Szarekh aligned right?

[arctic talon]

No

Trazyn is Nihelek

[dapper gyro]

Units with little overlapped purpose.

[jade holly]

Yeah isn’t that dynasty loyal to Szarekh?

[arctic talon]

Yes but they’re not under that subfaction

Subfaction locking is gone outside of marines and Tau now

[jade holly]

The Szarekhan sub faction?

[arctic talon]

So don’t worry about it

[arctic talon]

No

He didn’t have that keyword

He was nihelek in 9e and 8e when subfactions mattered

[jade holly]

I know that I’m sayin he wasn’t my compatible with it?

[arctic talon]

Before 10e yeah

He was non compatible

[jade holly]

Then again SK has the Dynastic Agent tag that negates that doesn’t he?

[arctic talon]

SK goes anywhere

[lament shoal]

Would a psyker who successfully resisted a daemonic possession become more resistant to warp corruption as a result?

[jade holly]

He is the KING and will assert himself

[arctic talon]

But Trazyn cannot go into Sezerekhan lists

If that makes sense

[dapper gyro]

It depends.

[arctic talon]

Yes generally

[jade holly]

Well now he can can’t he?

[arctic talon]

Yep

[jade holly]

The Trazyn and Orikan grudge match army

An army that competes with itself while fighting the enemy army

[arctic talon]

lol

[jade holly]

You know the buff I want Trazyn to get?

He’s allowed to run a small point value of other faction units

[arctic talon]

An actual ability

[lament shoal]

Orks lmao

[jade holly]

Cause he pulls from his museum

[arctic talon]

Drukhari have that

lol

As an detachment rule

Reapers Wager is drukhari and harlequins having a “friendly” wager

[jade holly]

Imagine Trazyn summons a Fulgrim to his side

[arctic talon]

On who can kill more people in stylish ways

[median star]

the harlequins have something like this i think kill tokens or something i dont remember the specifics

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Reapers wager for deldar

[jade holly]

I think another funny gimmick could be instead of killing a unit when they run out of wounds Trazyn collects them and turns them to his side

[arctic talon]

But it’s ironic only the Tau, Marines and ynnari

Have subfaction locks

[jade holly]

Can you not do a multi caste army with Tau?

[arctic talon]

You can

But farsight locks stuff

[jade holly]

Ah

[arctic talon]

As does Aun’va

[jade holly]

I still find it hilariously ironic Szarekh and Imotekh can be in the same army

[arctic talon]

Aun’va locks out farsight stuff

[jade holly]

that’s just too damn hilarious

[arctic talon]

Farsight locks all ethereals

Because he’s racist

[jade holly]

Isn’t Farsight the good guy in the Tau story tho

[arctic talon]

Yeah it’s funny as shit lol

[jade holly]

[arctic talon]

Well yeah, but he’s flawed

He’s racist towards ethereals lol

Blood thirsty

[jade holly]

It’s 40k who isn’t

[arctic talon]

Over controlling

But hey

[jade holly]

Sanguinius is flawed because he’s dead

[arctic talon]

He’s uh

[jade holly]

[arctic talon]

Also was my GOAT of genocidal warlords

lol

[jade holly]

Speaking of Warlords

How does that mechanic work

[arctic talon]

In 10e it’s mostly vestigial

You pick a warlord and there’s some missions that penalize them for dying

Or buff them

In previous editions they’d get a “warlord trait”

Which was a buff

[jade holly]

I saw C’tan units couldn’t get the Warlord trait

[arctic talon]

Yeah C’tan can’t be warlords and cant get the 10e replacements either

Which are enhancements

[jade holly]

But any other Epic Heroes can?

Does it have to epic heroes or could you make a fodder unit a warlord too?

[arctic talon]

Epic heroes cannot receive warlord traits or enhancements

They have their own always in 8e and 9e. In 10e they get more rules generally

[arctic talon]

Anyone can be a warlord as long as you don’t have a compulsory warlord

I.E Aun’va, farsight, Abbadon, Guilliman, Cawl, yvraine ect.

[jade holly]

Compulsory warlord I assume means they always get the Warlord trait?

[arctic talon]

Nah

It means they’re always the warlord

[jade holly]

Isn’t that what I said or is there a difference?

[arctic talon]

Warlord traits aren’t in 10e

[jade holly]

Oh

[arctic talon]

There’s a difference as you don’t get to pick warlord traits on named characters

They have one specifically tied to them

[jade holly]

Is SK one of the few to be a Compulsory Warlord?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[jade holly]

Imotekh?

[arctic talon]

No

[jade holly]

And you can’t name Imo a Warlord cause he’s an EH?

[arctic talon]

You can

[jade holly]

Oh ok

[arctic talon]

You can name epic heros as warlords

They just don’t get WLT options in older editions. And don’t get enhancements in 10e

[jade holly]

So if I want enhancements I’d name a generic Overlord, a Battle Barge, Doomsday Ark etc as my warlord?

[arctic talon]

It has to be a character

[jade holly]

So Overlord

[arctic talon]

Yes

[jade holly]

Got it

[arctic talon]

Enhancements have their own restrictions on what they can go on

I.E “showing off” is an ork enhancement that can only go on Ork Boyz/Nobz

Which is a rarity

Most of them specify specific character types though

[jade holly]

I think the final thing I need to understand when building Necrons is how many vehicles if at all and what about higher tier units above Immortals

prob not final thing

Def not final thing

[arctic talon]

Like “only goes on crypteks”

Or “only goes on a skitarii character”

[jade holly]

Units like Crypteks/Skorpekhs/Lokhusts

[arctic talon]

Yeah basically

Lemme just grab an example

From the necron codex

[jade holly]

Does the CCB unit count as an Overlord?

[arctic talon]

Catacomb Command barges are Lords lore wise

Tabletop wise they lack the overlord keyword

[jade holly]

Damn I just got sad

Apparently Zahndrekh and Obyron aren’t comp legal anymore

They became legends

[arctic talon]

If you don’t play comp it doesn’t matter

[jade holly]

Yeah but apparently I can’t even buy them new now

[arctic talon]

Yeah well their minis were resin and really badly worn

So 💀

[rose thorn]

Tbh I’d unironically hedge my bets for them getting models next edition

[jade holly]

When’s that?

[rose thorn]

Within the next 3 years

[jade holly]

I honestly have no idea when or even if I’ll make an army

For one I have no painting skills. No one else around me plays tabletop (though I could still get an army to just display it), I don’t have any of the tools

[outer wave]

At the very least, you can just collect and paint for the sake of it. You can make some pretty dioramas or what say you with an army

[jade holly]

Now I wanna make a diorama of an Imotekh and Szarekh civil war

Damn you for giving me that idea

[outer wave]

Always happy to help

[jade holly]

But honestly that sounds sick

But I got NO space for something that large

Not to mention the price tag

[outer wave]

Yeaaaaah that always sucks

You could 3D print if you got one of those

[jade holly]

Yeah but 3d printing isn’t as neat looking

Or as clean

[outer wave]

Thats pretty fair

[jade holly]

Who would Trazyn side with

To me Trazyn would see Orikan working with Imotekh and join Szarekh just to spite him

[opaque coyote]

Tbh when the special race trait of Ethereals is

"influencing/semi-mind controlling people even without being aware of said ability"

It's...

I hesitate to say this but...

Understandable?

Not justified

Just

Understandable

Like an Ethereal can tell a T'au to kill themselves and they would no matter what type of person they are

Meanwhile the Imperium have to do it the good old fashioned way

[languid meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076561059424509972/1445157379028287794/15800e6f2429534af5e5f3cb5de3228a382d015c398075f048e907b44324db16_1.mp4?ex=692f5330&is=692e01b0&hm=5fe16c06a52176133eb3aa98cca6df080fb117633494eaddba47f50a2c4261b9&

[lament shoal]

I LOVE SUPER TAXES

[jade holly]

Between Imotekh and Szarekh, who’s winning that little civil war?

[radiant lance]

Why is Stefoni inside a pickle jar?

[jade holly]

Time traveler: kills a butterfly

The timeline:

[opaque coyote]

Random historical fun fact

[jade holly]

Trazyn is actually the Emperor

[opaque coyote]

Y'know how islamic women wear hijabs?

[jade holly]

Oh

[opaque coyote]

It actually originated from Christianity

Christian women also wore headdresses that covered their hair

Islam saw this and copied it

Christianity eventually deviated to the point where only Nuns wear them now

that's it

Just a neat thing I learned

[plush mason]

yeah a lot of Islamic traditions when it comes to women are basically just Christian if saint paul to romans hadnt been quasi abolished

[wet sandal]

Goofy ahh abrahamic religions

[opaque coyote]

oh yeah also

There's a giant cloud of alcohol in space

enough to fill trillions of pints of beer if it was just the alcohol portion

of course, due to it being a molecular cloud of gas and dust, it has various other complex molecules

but it mostly contains ethanol, vinyl alcohol, and methanol

[plush mason]

so in other words, its a fuel cloud

[opaque coyote]

yup

It is called Sagittarius B2

it is 390 light years away from the center of the milky way

[plush mason]

yeah i have heard of that one

[opaque coyote]

Mmmmm alcohol...

and also cyanide

[wet sandal]

Rip Sagittarius B2, you would've loved oxygen

[jade holly]

Call NASA, I’ve got an idea

[misty vector]

I think i know a certain dwarven space mining company that would be very interested in this

[tough haven]

The kinda shit your drukhari retinue member says after you ask them literally anything

“Ok that’s cool and all but what cake should I get the planetary governor for doing a good job?”

[daring creek]

Did you know Homestuck has physical copies

I found some at the library once

Peak literature really

[misty vector]

How did they print out the animated parts

[daring creek]

Today

[tough haven]

Oh right, I stayed up past midnight

Goodnight gents, gals, and various otherwise unsorted goobers

[misty vector]

Whats it like 8 more hours from now

Gn gn gn

[tough haven]

Now we need one counting down each hour

Then “now”

[surreal nest]

Forgot hive scum drops tomorrow

I planned on leaving work early but now I might want to stay

[undone elm]

• wears a gear tooth patterned hood and robe
• scavenges archaeotech from a long-dead civilization and appropriates it for himself
• travels through the immaterium in a voidship guided by a machine spirit
  behold, a magos

[opaque coyote]

He also tries to put on an ancient DAoT era chaos artifact

Gets possessed, but it's implied that it's been whispering to him for a while

Turns evil, and then turns into a monster

[opaque coyote]

BTW, originally, the developers wanted a bad ending

Basically, if you didn't collect all of the Lor's parts, Magalor's soul would've been consumed by the Master Crown

and when you defeated him, he would've been sent away to another dimension while still being a dark matter possessed monster

This was cut because that might've been too dark for a game meant for children

But then again, Star Allies has the main antagonist be a death cult that summons a primordal god of destruction by killing themselves.

So maybe it was just a lack of time or something

[undone elm]

The lore drops in Magolor Epilogue made my brain shit itself

Particularly the part where it was revealed how he became a merchant selling microtransactions directly to the player in a free to play spinoff game

[opaque coyote]

I find it funny that Kirby probably knows nothing about the kirby lore

ffs they probably can't even read the pause screen

literally, they probably can't even read

[undone elm]

• hungry
• can't read
• insanely strong
• one of the nicest creatures you'll ever meet
  is kirby an ogryn

[opaque coyote]

The context is basically only for the player.

So while we know Kirby is fighting say... the embodiment of darkness itself.

He probably just thinks it's another meanie

and he just wants to take a fucking nap already

[opaque coyote]

an ogryn if they were a chaos god

ogryn chaos god

oh yeah this is unrelated to like

everything

but

[shadow plover]

Pirat Nation is a dumb fuck capital G Gamer so I wouldn't believe a single thing he posts but that's on brand with Tim Sweeney

[opaque coyote]

Yeah Tim Sweeny actually criticized steam of this

https://www.ign.com/articles/why-stop-at-ai-use-we-could-have-mandatory-disclosures-for-what-shampoo-brand-the-developer-uses-epic-boss-tim-sweeney-says-steam-should-ditch-its-ai-generated-content-disclosure

[shadow plover]

Yeah, on brand he's a stupid crypto bro, but the steam glazing is weak as well

or Valve glazing

[opaque coyote]

True, the image above is more so the point.

It's not that Steam is particularly shining

It's just that... like...

[shadow plover]

it took them 10 years to update the library to not cause massive RAM and CPU spikes

[opaque coyote]

Steam?

[shadow plover]

yes

[opaque coyote]

Yeah

[undone elm]

For future reference in case I ever become a game developer: I use Head & Shoulders