40k-lore-chat

[wintry cloud]

No

[arctic talon]

Did you read the deluxe edition Dilara

Little thingy

The 5 questions thing

[wintry cloud]

Im just happy about the video drop for lore and stuff

[arctic talon]

I know it’s sitting around as a pdf somewhere

[wintry cloud]

Dang cant even be excited elite wolf?

[arctic talon]

Idk

lol

You can be whatever you want

[wintry cloud]

Thanks 😍

I got the collectors edition and i read all of the characters. Just didn’t see them drop a video on my baby cog

Am happy

[arctic talon]

Ugh I wana read the new Cawl book so badly

But I don’t have time

💀

[wintry cloud]

Is it good?

[arctic talon]

Most people I know say it’s good

So it’s prolly good

[queen laurel]

It's Guy Haley right?

[arctic talon]

Also the short story included in the deluxe edition was excellent

||which all but confirms Cawl was trying to make his own primarch with alpha Primus||

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's Guy Haley I just checked

That guy's writing style is hit or miss

Last time I heard

[arctic talon]

Well

He makes a fuck ton of books

When he actually tries the books are great

When he’s churning stuff out en mass

It uh

tends to not be

[daring creek]

@crystal forum whens the next episode dropping

I need to know

[rose thorn]

I don’t think there will be gsc cosmetics

[near wasp]

Love cawl

So far books pretty alright but it's not really that far in yet

[jade holly]

The brownies turned out great

[young pecan]

That Guy, you say?

[queen laurel]

Garth Ennis room

[storm jungle]

The beginning parts with Solana was putting me to sleep before we got to Cawl im not gonna lie lmao

then my interest instantly uplifted

[rose thorn]

Isn’t this like almost 10 years old lore

[arctic talon]

No

It was never confirmed in this manner

[rose thorn]

Oh okay lol

[arctic talon]

There were theories about that

Also the weird necron mirror showing 20 people in place of Alpha Primus

But he’s always been weird

[near wasp]

shes kinda boring

[storm jungle]

100% lol

[arctic talon]

Guh

[storm jungle]

fucking-

"wah wah i hate tradition"

shut UP

[arctic talon]

Oh she’s like

[storm jungle]

🗣️

[arctic talon]

That sort of character lmao

[storm jungle]

Yeah lmao

like the first few pages are just her whining about the admech

[arctic talon]

Does she have anything else to her 💀

[storm jungle]

I mean idk probably. Cawl was giving her his plan and shes lıke

NO

ITS IMPOSSIBLE

YOU'RE INSANE!

[arctic talon]

An important part of every tech priest is to bitch and moan Tbf

[storm jungle]

WHAT ABOUT ALL THESE FACTORS

[arctic talon]

But yes

That would be boring if that’s all she is

[storm jungle]

and Cawl is like

"Bitch im Belisarius Cawl of Duty."

so i guess its good so far

[arctic talon]

cawl’s ego

Truly the funniest part of him

[storm jungle]

its funny because like

he tries to be humble

but also keeps stroking off

lmao

[arctic talon]

Cawl moment

[storm jungle]

read the book!!!

[arctic talon]

I haven’t been able to

No time smh

[languid meadow]

I will kill you hadron

[daring creek]

I should bring my horus heresy book w me

Can TSA kill me for reading horus rising

[arctic talon]

No

[daring creek]

Are you sure

What if I talk to a TSA Agent about dark eldar

Oh. Fashion left

Now I can't ask him what I should do to at the airport

[humble shoal]

Its not ai ita just a really advanced llm

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-funny-white-cat-white-cat-cute-gif-23090425

[humble shoal]

Calling cawl

Better Call Cawl

[daring creek]

I love little cats

[cinder pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/helpurseif-helpurself-vereena-reena-cat-gif-17056035502126816704

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/live-firecat-firepunch-agni-firepunch-live-gif-26357939

[languid meadow]

but yeah that new cawl novel is cool

I didn't even know it came out until now 💀

[abstract abyss]

ello so

im new to 40k

and i wanna ask

why does it seem like a good portion of fans want the story to have a bad ending

they lowkey jsut wanna see the imperium fall and humans die and chaos win

i understand its a grimdark setting so yall dont want epic victories and shi but still

why not a good ending after countless centuries of pain and suffering>?

[celest dome]

Well

For 1, people don't want an ending

They want to see 40k continue on and on

For 2, plenty of people do want to see some progress that place the Imperium in a better light or place

[arctic talon]

People don’t want 40k to end but we already know that the imperium will die

The imperium is verbatim from GW and everyone in universe in a state of decay

It is a rotting carcass

[cinder pivot]

The chaos gods cannot die if mankind becomes extinct as the chaos gods will feed on other races in the 40K universe.

[celest dome]

But most that do only want it in a way that keep the status quo, or bring new shinies (Eg: The Primarchs)

[arctic talon]

Also ultimately 40k is about how everyone got fucked lol

Almost every single faction has directly brought their inevitable end upon themselves or their ancestors did so lol

[celest dome]

They wouldn't care, they'd just move to another universe the moment the current one is "boring"

[arctic talon]

Also it’s not like the imperium is good in 40k either

They’re genocidal maniacs lol

[abstract abyss]

true true

[celest dome]

Notable exceptions being Tau and Tyranids (unless we consider the take of them fleeing their own hunger)

[arctic talon]

An eldar farseer comments on the Tau going through the same cycle

[abstract abyss]

only truly happy race are the damn Orks

[arctic talon]

As humanity and the eldar

[abstract abyss]

battle on

[arctic talon]

So it’s likely they’ll implode as well

If we take the farseer at face value

[celest dome]

But they haven't yet

[arctic talon]

Yep

[abstract abyss]

poor Tau

[vagrant fox]

I'm not into 40k for happy good time or good endings, I want it to be worse

[arctic talon]

Ultimately people don’t want 40k to end

Because it’s fun

[abstract abyss]

y'all think the emperor gonna finally be mercy killed?

[arctic talon]

And also plastic toy soldiers

[abstract abyss]

i hope so

ion want him coming back that'll lowkey be too corny

[arctic talon]

No because he’ll explode and his soul will fuel the ascension of a chaos god

lol

I’m not joking

[abstract abyss]

vas

ogey

🤔

[arctic talon]

But no one in universe but him knows this

lol

[abstract abyss]

how tho why tho

he's not too evil just a lil fascist

[arctic talon]

The mass worship of the emperor fuels such a thing

The imperium is encroaching ruin

[abstract abyss]

no wonder the mf banned religion

[arctic talon]

It’s slowly reaching the end of its existence

The emperor if he drank deeply of the warp would explode into the dark king aka the chaos god of encroaching ruin

We know he will explode at some point

As daemons of encroaching ruin exist already

[crystal forum]

warp juice?

[arctic talon]

In essence yeah

[abstract abyss]

ok so uhhhh

[arctic talon]

If juiced up too much

[crystal forum]

forbidden purple drink

[arctic talon]

And in essence did a funny perils of the warp

He’d not summon a daemon

[celest dome]

Are you roleplaying ?

[abstract abyss]

emperor geek
daemon arrive
everyone die
chaos gods realize this is kinda boring and buns
the end

[arctic talon]

His soul would fuel the creation of a chaos god

[abstract abyss]

is that sumn?

[celest dome]

Also we know that the Emp will coaless into a new Chaos God anyway

[crystal forum]

(wont happen in our lifetime)

[abstract abyss]

Warhammer 80k

[arctic talon]

Also all of humanity likely won’t die

Even if the emperor explodes

Humanity will likely share the same “bond” the eldar have with slaanesh though

[crystal forum]

only surviving humans will be rogue tradees

[lament shoal]

Humans are gonna have to use soul stones lmao

[crystal forum]

and thus begins the era of human nomads

[arctic talon]

Probably something similar lol

But ultimately the emperor is uh

Not the same at all now

It refers to itself as We/They/It

And refers to other people in a much more detached manner then he ever did

[celest dome]

Tbh I don't think they would, simply due to how psychically active Eldar are at baseline

Human Psyker though be proper fucked

[arctic talon]

The emperor in his current state

Is a maelstrom of psychic energy and completely fractured mentally

[lament shoal]

What would happen to all his scattered shards if he became the dark king?

[arctic talon]

Every depiction of the emperor nowadays has been as something horrifying

[arctic talon]

They’d all be consumed to fuel the creation of it

In essence tinder for a bonfire

[celest dome]

Could have some survive as Greater Daemon, but probably not

[arctic talon]

There’s a chaos sorc who shattered his soul

Accidentally

[lament shoal]

Damn the Seer is gonna he lonely without his beloved

[arctic talon]

when he became a daemon prince all the fragments were reunited

The exception to this is Magnus

Who’s shards needed to be gathered

But idk

[celest dome]

I'd be interested in seeing the Ravenous Dissolution tbh

[arctic talon]

The aetheric domains aren’t even complete which is fun

[celest dome]

Both in AoS (opposite of the GHR) and in 40k (opposite of the Dark King)

[arctic talon]

It’s just the mechanicus and inquisitions best understanding of the warp

So GW can always shove new stuff in

That isn’t on the circle

[celest dome]

The Star of Chaos ?

[arctic talon]

The 40k version

But yes in essence

[green granite]

What do the symbols represent? Chaos gods/factions yeah but formless distortion?

[celest dome]

They're Chaos Domains

[wintry cloud]

Oh the good ol domain puzzle

[celest dome]

We know for certain 4 of them

[arctic talon]

They’re the “domains” of chaos as observed by the inqusition and mechanicus in 40k

This is the 40k labeled one with chaos gods

[wintry cloud]

I love theorycrafting this

[celest dome]

A 5th is given to the Emperor/GHR

[urban spire]

i'd be in a mood like that too after ten thousand years on the toilet

[arctic talon]

lol

[urban spire]

asdklhjasdf

[celest dome]

12 is Emperor or Great Horned Rat
1.5 is Tzeentch
3 is Vashtor or Hashut
4.5 is Slaanesh
6 is unknown
7.5 is Nurgle
9 is Unknown (but some think it's the Shadowgave)
10.5 is Khorne
Middle is possibly the Great Beast

[urban spire]

sneaking into the handicapped toilet and reclining with the armrests like the fucking emperor

[celest dome]

Some French dude think each Chaos domain is tied to a Wind of Magic

[arctic talon]

The chaos gods are certainly obsessed with some of the realms

[wintry cloud]

Haven’t heard that one before

[arctic talon]

In AoS

So maybe

[wintry cloud]

But that’s really cool

[rose thorn]

12 is sigmar idk if it’s the emperor too

[arctic talon]

Sigmar isn’t encroaching ruin

[rose thorn]

Ah

[arctic talon]

Encroaching ruin is def the emperor tho

lol

Since we know Samus is a daemon of the dark king

And Samus is labeled as encroaching ruin

[rose thorn]

Ah is this specifically a 40K thing, because it kinda makes more sense with AOS

[arctic talon]

The chart I posted is 40k

[wintry cloud]

It was released with Horus heresy iirc

[rose thorn]

Weird

[arctic talon]

It’s the mechanicus/inqustions understanding of chaos

Based on daemons observed

The chart is interchangeable anyways

And is explicitly incomplete information

And there’s way more aetheric dominions

[celest dome]

Great Horned Rat is mentioned as Encroaching Ruin somewhere

Not sure if correct

[wintry cloud]

I remember hearing it be ruin also

Ive seen a few people say they think its GHR

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1389632904644264046/1425623930017681459/caption.gif

[celest dome]

Ravennous Dissolution would make so much more sense

[wintry cloud]

The deepknaw is known as the realm of ruin

So theres that

[humble shoal]

Hitler, you arent meeting the genocides per square footage improvement kpi

[wintry cloud]

Which is big rats realm

[humble shoal]

We may have to put you on a pip

[humble shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/great-horned-rat-gif-25718172

[arctic talon]

No one likes it

Smh

[celest dome]

I think it can be said.

It is highly rated

And it isn't particularly innovator

Or mechanically impressive

[humble shoal]

Ok

But fortnite

And mark ass brown lee

Thats hot

[rose thorn]

If this was AOS formless would be belakor, encroaching ruin would probably be archeon, artificer would be hashut, and the bottom would be great horned rat

[arctic talon]

Belakor can’t be that is the issue since he isn’t a chaos god

He’s a really big fucking daemon prince tho

[rose thorn]

He has worshippers

[celest dome]

Ye

[arctic talon]

Yeah but he cannot claim a dominion

[rose thorn]

And he has his own blessings he can give

[celest dome]

Same for Malal/Malice no ?

[arctic talon]

He is already tied

To 4 existing dominions

Due to being a daemon prince of chaos undivided

[humble shoal]

Bellakor bellasnore

[wintry cloud]

Is vashtorr a chaos god then?

[arctic talon]

Hashut is also weird since we know he’s a chaos god of tyranny

[rose thorn]

Belakor has his own dominion over ulgu

[arctic talon]

Not of artifice

[humble shoal]

How bout you fix your buggy ass domain

[celest dome]

He is trying too

[wintry cloud]

Malerion

[arctic talon]

Trying to become one

He’s a very very very big daemon

[rose thorn]

HE BARELY EXISTS

[wintry cloud]

If vashtorr is on that list then why can’t belakor be there

[arctic talon]

Not what an aetheric dominion is

[wintry cloud]

??? He exists there just isn’t alot of information

[arctic talon]

Because belakor is already tied to 4

[wintry cloud]

Makes sense

[rose thorn]

He has done like nothing lmao

[arctic talon]

He is a daemon prince of Slaanesh, Khorne, Nurgle and tzeentch

Therfore he is tied to their aetheric dominions

By the logic of 40k

[celest dome]

Encroaching Ruin would fit Hashut the most, which would push the GRH in the Ravenous Dissolution as they're possibly opposed

[arctic talon]

AoS works similarly I’d assume

[arctic talon]

Honestly yeah

[wintry cloud]

And he’s still the god of shadow and the controller of ulgu

He’s also given morathi a place to live before she reached her ascension

[arctic talon]

I could see that

[humble shoal]

Sigma age

[arctic talon]

Hashut as encroaching ruin and the rat as ravenous dissolution

[humble shoal]

Isnt sigmar a chaos god

[arctic talon]

Since Hashut isn’t an inherently mechanical chaos god

[arctic talon]

Normal god

[wintry cloud]

God of heavens

[arctic talon]

Not a chaos god

[humble shoal]

Whats the difference

[arctic talon]

AoS has actual normal gods

[humble shoal]

[wintry cloud]

He isn’t a universe eating cosmic horror than feasts on infinite malice and suffering across a multiverse

[humble shoal]

If you could be an ancestor god azumgi what would you be?

[arctic talon]

Chaos gods occupy the aetheric dominions and are not tied to the universe

They can universe hop in whfb/aos

Explicitly

The normal gods don’t seem to be able to

[humble shoal]

So ghr can universe hop?

As can gork and mork

[arctic talon]

No

Gork and Mork can’t

GHR can

[celest dome]

But they do seem to be able to exist only by coalesing someting that is material

[humble shoal]

Gork and mork are in 40k though

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Different gork and mork

[celest dome]

While they exist in both fantasy and 40k; those are separate and different ones

[humble shoal]

Ah different

[arctic talon]

Same name different entity

[celest dome]

Unlike the Chaos Gods

[humble shoal]

Cant wait for the skaven in 40k

[arctic talon]

Yeah the chaos gods may or may not just be smaller fragments of some greater whole

It’s unclear

Slaanesh got imprisoned in AoS but was unaffected in 40k

[rose thorn]

He only exists because morathi controls him lol

[arctic talon]

Anyways the aetheric dominions aren’t complete and it’s incomplete info

Including in AoS/whfb I think

[wintry cloud]

He exists because he was tied to the wind of shadow and is now the domain holder of the realm of shadows

Morathi wouldn’t even been given a home if it wasn’t for malekith since she wasn’t even a god

And also no one liked her

[rose thorn]

She is a god

[wintry cloud]

NOW shes a god

[arctic talon]

She wasn’t a god until later

[rose thorn]

Ah fair

[celest dome]

I think it can work quite well on the implication that what they imprisonned is the coalesced being that became Slaanesh or the Rapturous Sensation

[arctic talon]

Malerion pretty much broke his mom out of prison slaanesh

Which no one else liked but too bad for them

[wintry cloud]

Ye

[cinder pivot]

Morathi is a baddie though

[wintry cloud]

She’s amazing

[rose thorn]

But yeha belakor is the only chaos figure who really claimed ulgu, baiscally every chaos character from ulgu works for him

He is the prince of shadows

[wintry cloud]

Shes the first model i got ngl
I got her broken realms book as my intro to AoS

I luv my gaslight gatekeep girlboss

[celest dome]

Come on 2026 gib Valkia model, I have no idea if it will really happen or not

[arctic talon]

Soon

I believe

She’s the only one left

[celest dome]

Tzeentch ?

[arctic talon]

Cursling got a new mini

Even tho he’s fucking dead

Forever

Tzeentch doesn’t have a proper mortal figurehead rn

[celest dome]

The Twins were made non-character

[arctic talon]

So GW has to cook one up

Yeah tzeentch doesn’t have a big mortal character rn

[celest dome]

Aekold coming back 🙏

[arctic talon]

The curslings got generified

Maybe

[rose thorn]

Making him not the same guy and instead is a genetic guy is crazy lol

[celest dome]

Generified, ye that was the word I was looking for

[arctic talon]

Crazy levels of slander from GW lol

[daring creek]

What does gw mean? Gay women?

[arctic talon]

Games workshop

💀

[daring creek]

Gay women.

[rose thorn]

I imagine they released him to make the proper warrior guys for tzeentch (when they eventually release) be less jarring

[daring creek]

Gamesexual women...

[arctic talon]

Yeah we’re missing those plate armored tzeentch unit

From that one art

[rose thorn]

Oh?

[arctic talon]

Or was it a lore description

I forgor

[wintry cloud]

More chaos warriors!!!!!

[arctic talon]

I don’t like Scribes that much 💀

I am a hedonites/Blades fan

[wintry cloud]

A fellow skull collector

W

[rose thorn]

I am not a fan of gw going the generic route and making every mono god army a mirror or S2D but cotton candy flavored

But it’s a decision

[arctic talon]

I mean they haven’t

Yet

💀

[wintry cloud]

Welp get ready
Its the chaos effect

[arctic talon]

S2D are my favorite of the chaos factions

[rose thorn]

New Maggotkin, hedonites, and blades all do that

[arctic talon]

Anyways tbh

[wintry cloud]

Look at total war

[rose thorn]

Well actually

[arctic talon]

S2D copied blades

If we want to be pedantic

lol

[celest dome]

I mean, they're not that much

the new Maggotkin are still quite different

[arctic talon]

Also yeah the armies play differently

[celest dome]

And the Armoured Hedonite are a whole different aesthetic

[arctic talon]

People like big scary armored chaos people

Tbh

[arctic talon]

Yeah this as well

Hedonites also have blissbarb archers as the generic weak infantry

[rose thorn]

Ye I just mean the general roles are similar

[arctic talon]

ignore the fact that charging them in and having them shank someone to death is better

[arctic talon]

Tbh this is the case of all the semi elite/elite factions lowkey

Ossiarchs are like Stormcast

At least to me

[wintry cloud]

They were memed as such ye

[rose thorn]

The marauders (blood reavers, pox-wretches, blissbows, probably the scribe guys?) the warriors (rot swords, blood warriors (?)), chosen (blight kings, twin souls / painbringers)

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah definitely

[celest dome]

Each of them is quite able to give a different aesthetic from the base Chaos Warrior.

[wintry cloud]

My babies

[celest dome]

And even the Rotswords

[arctic talon]

Slaangord are sorta chaos warriors if you squint hard enough

[lament shoal]

I bet they REEK

[arctic talon]

Also ngl im so sad the old blightkings are gone

They’re such good minis

[wintry cloud]

Hell yeah they do

Slaanesh dudes probably smell really good

Too good even

[rose thorn]

Ye it’s a different esthetic

[rose thorn]

Each chaos faction seems to get a beastmen type beat as a wild card

[rose thorn]

They are in the new spearhead magazine

[arctic talon]

Lowkey the new blightkings aren’t fucked up enough

Imo

Not that they look bad

[wintry cloud]

I love them

[arctic talon]

They look great

[rose thorn]

I wonder if the scribe guys are supposed to be warriors or mauraders

[wintry cloud]

Theyre different from all the big rotting puss which i enjoy alot, giving a more priestly and regal vibe

[arctic talon]

Marauders stat wise

[rose thorn]

I think they are going a witchy Ghyran vibe to separate them selves from 40K

[arctic talon]

Ehhhh

[wintry cloud]

Ye a nice folk horror feel

[arctic talon]

But they have that look still in AoS

Idk

[wintry cloud]

And also i love antlers

[arctic talon]

It’s just another type of blightking which is fine

[celest dome]

What would be the equivalent What would be the equivalent for Tzeentch 💀
Poxwretch/Bloodreaver/Blissbarb Archer/Darkoath Marauder

[arctic talon]

I just like the old ones more due to being less uniform

[wintry cloud]

Kairic

Why you no put

[rose thorn]

My ex complains that all the chaos faction are shirtless

[arctic talon]

The kairic or tzaangors

[wintry cloud]

The acolytes are the non chaos warrior mortals

[arctic talon]

Being shirtless is awesome

[celest dome]

Honestly, you could not so difficultly paint them up as Slaaneshi foodies Chaos Warrior

[rose thorn]

She also doenst like that the hedonites are like, middle eastern ish

[arctic talon]

Why

[wintry cloud]

Why?

[rose thorn]

good question

[arctic talon]

It’s not like they’re caricatures

[wintry cloud]

All the designs come from somewhere

[arctic talon]

They’re like, high fantasy middle eastern vaguely

[wintry cloud]

Middle eastern designs are just very beautiful and aesthetically appealing

[storm jungle]

its largely 300 Persian id say

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

its very exaggerated and not really in a bad way

[arctic talon]

Its not racist

Not like uh

[storm jungle]

and i say this as a muslim

[wintry cloud]

Ye

[storm jungle]

lol

[arctic talon]

Some old whfb stuff

lol

[storm jungle]

yeah that

[celest dome]

GW has done worse before 💀

[arctic talon]

Original araby lore 💀

[rose thorn]

God I hate hell striders, I think they are the worst kit in AOS

[wintry cloud]

Lol.

[arctic talon]

What was GW cooking

Cooked up a meal so bad they pretend it never happened

lol

[arctic talon]

They’re so cool tho

[celest dome]

||Pygmies||

[rose thorn]

They look like ass I have them

They feel horrible to build

[arctic talon]

God

[wintry cloud]

Do they poke a hole in your hand like chaos warriors do?

[arctic talon]

Do you think GW is going to update Nippon lore ever

lol

[wintry cloud]

Did you make this btw?

[arctic talon]

Or do you think we get kamakazies

[rose thorn]

Ye and so does the chariot of Slaanesh

[arctic talon]

They’re using mini compare

Iirc

[rose thorn]

I am srupid and have a lot of demons

[wintry cloud]

Im so sorry for you

[celest dome]

https://minicompare.info/?pox-wretch-darkwater-a=&bloodreaver-a=&blissbarb-archer-a=&darkoath-marauder-a=

[wintry cloud]

Ty

[rose thorn]

God I hate Slaanesh demon kits, they are all horrible

[arctic talon]

They’re old

[wintry cloud]

I wonder if slaanesh will get something nice this year

[celest dome]

Mag is the rumourmonger, they might know something

[wintry cloud]

If its TGA forums then we probably get the same stuff

[jade holly]

I need some more bottom heavy Psyker cosmetics ngl

[wintry cloud]

Huh

[jade holly]

Hate how all the legs are either very rough patchwork looking or very skinny pants

Makes Psyker’s look top heavy

[arctic talon]

Lol

[rocky gale]

Kill him

[languid meadow]

so called "freaks" when a real freak shows up

[wintry cloud]

My fish can get whatever she wants

[humble shoal]

Can we cut out the crews tongues plz thk u

[wintry cloud]

Yes we can!

[opaque coyote]

"What do you mean they need it to speak?"

"...WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY NEED TO SPEAK??"

[wintry cloud]

A million more serfs for the paintings

[arctic talon]

You can also teach her it’s bad smh

[wintry cloud]

A fellow cassia enjoyer?

Peak chat

[arctic talon]

I like Kibellah more

lol

[opaque coyote]

I find it funny that essentially she just thinks it's normal

Tbf it is for her

[arctic talon]

Tbf she’s never had any interaction with the outside world

[wintry cloud]

I haven’t romanced her het but i hear its really good

[arctic talon]

So yeah

[opaque coyote]

But like it's similar to like thinking that stabbing a person with a knife is how you get a vaccine

[arctic talon]

It is, you can also be a horrible person to her like some of the romance options in Wrath of the righteous lol

Not as horrible

But you can get close

[wintry cloud]

Our beloved 40k disney princess

[humble shoal]

She has a good heretic ending

[wintry cloud]

I need to do a heretic run and see how crazy this game actually can get

[opaque coyote]

Oh yeah also

[arctic talon]

Not even close to wrath of the righteous

Tbh

lol

[wintry cloud]

I haven’t played wrath but jesus christ

[arctic talon]

It lets you do some fucked up things

For the chaotic evil path

Unsurprisingly

[wintry cloud]

Lame
Rogue trader should probably get as dark (although i dont know how far we’re going for dark)

[arctic talon]

To the point I’d joke about it being one of the writers fetish

But idk

[opaque coyote]

Also

This is unrelated to anything

But I imagine that only post chaos-god deal did he start to become the gigantic glowing god man

Like beforehand he was just a regular muscular man with long hair

[arctic talon]

You can rhymes with grape and torture your romantic partner into compliance if they try to leave you on the evil path

Among some other things

[wintry cloud]

That’s pretty grim
And also dark

Yikes

[arctic talon]

lol

[opaque coyote]

...

Well you gotta be more evil than the Imperium path somehow

[wintry cloud]

Idk if i could go with reading that

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

It’s uh

It’s a lot

💀

But in general the chaotic evil path has you verbally and mentally abuse all your companions

Aside from the evil ones

And even then you can still abuse them

[wintry cloud]

Ouch

[arctic talon]

If they’re afraid and want to leave

Too bad

[wintry cloud]

Im too soft from playing undertale

[arctic talon]

Strangle them, beat them, make them relive their traumatic memories

Go the whole nine yards

You can pretty much ruin your entire parties lives if you want in that game

[misty vector]

what companion is that for

[wintry cloud]

I think he means wrath

[arctic talon]

The rhymes with grape one?

The cleric

In wrath

Not in rogue trader

Rogue trader doesn’t let you do anything close

[opaque coyote]

Tbf with how evil 40k is as a setting. Y'know with you casually owning a ship with workers whose lives consist of being born in the ship, working, and dying near the boiler room.

It unfortunately makes sense that the only way to make it feel like you're somehow growing more abhorrent is to "strike the heart" and do personally awful thing.

[arctic talon]

lol

[misty vector]

oooh i see

[arctic talon]

But yeah he’s the one with the most graphic scene by far

Of what you do to him

[wintry cloud]

Heretic is depicted as more evil than dogmatic in rogue trader or no?

[arctic talon]

About the same level of evil

lol

[opaque coyote]

... overall

Rogue Trader stole from Deltarune smh. Clearly Toby Fox invented the idea of an evil route where you personally manipulate and mentally torture your friends!

[arctic talon]

Just sometimes more comically evil options

And occasionally you get something pretty fucked up

But nothing more then dogmatic generally

[wintry cloud]

Pretty funny

[opaque coyote]

"Man I feel like doing some grapes..."

"...you mean the fruit right?"

[arctic talon]

Anyways Wrath of the righteous honestly baffles me how it got an M rating

[opaque coyote]

rogue trader turns toward romance partner

"YOU MEAN THE FRUIT RIGHT??"

[wintry cloud]

If dark heresy has a heretic route i hope its very dark

I wanna burn people man 👨

[arctic talon]

I guess it doesn’t show anything

Lol

[opaque coyote]

Tbf that's probably how they got away with it

[arctic talon]

You’ll be doing this as a puritan and radical

lol

[wintry cloud]

And eat their flesh

And REDACTED

[opaque coyote]

Only allowed if you're an SM

[wintry cloud]

Dark powers

[opaque coyote]

Or if you're just really hungry

[arctic talon]

tolerated under some denominations of the Imperial faith

[wintry cloud]

Wasn’t chorda eating a dudes brain

[arctic talon]

yeah

[wintry cloud]

I was crying bro

[opaque coyote]

Tbf that's just ordinary for Space Marines

[arctic talon]

okay jokes aside I don't think they'll ever reach the same levels as Wrath of the Righteous's Demon mythic path

lol

because that is just the

be as evil as possible

[opaque coyote]

Like regular SMs also do it

[arctic talon]

route

[wintry cloud]

You think its like not marketable anymore?

[arctic talon]

no as in I don't think they want to write it again

considering none of the DLC had anything as bad

[wintry cloud]

makes sense

[arctic talon]

the mental and physical abuse stuff sure

but the sexual assault and word that the bot will kill me for typing stuff

[opaque coyote]

To be fair, I don't think I would like to write SA

[arctic talon]

is way heavier

Well

[opaque coyote]

Like at all

[arctic talon]

yeah

[opaque coyote]

Or anybody

Really

[arctic talon]

some people are fine with writing it

[opaque coyote]

Unless if they're thinking with their dick first

[arctic talon]

as its ultimately a story

[opaque coyote]

/pussy

I ain't sexist

And also most sus romance novels are written by women

[wintry cloud]

Yeah it’s a weird area for sure

[arctic talon]

also there's a Demon in WOTR that threatens to uh

actually I'm not going to repeat what they say they're going to do to you

💀

[opaque coyote]

My current pet psychological theory that suppressing people sexually just makes them freakier

That's why a lot of naughty fanfic, smut, etc. are written by women

[arctic talon]

okay so fun fact about this

[opaque coyote]

Also explains Japan

[arctic talon]

the female brain compared to the male brain is more inclined to sexual thoughts from reading then visual while the male brain is the opposite

[wintry cloud]

Sounds a little excessive don’tcha think?

[arctic talon]

there was a study done on this

lol

[wintry cloud]

Getting sex philosophy

[arctic talon]

tldr men like photos more(generally), women like reading more(generally) when it comes to that sort of content

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I'm not saying this is solid truth. It's just a theory I have atm

[arctic talon]

emphasis on generally

[opaque coyote]

Interesting

[celest dome]

Male "tailored" adult novels are quite rarer

[wintry cloud]

Oh no i believe you, Im just cracking a joke.

[opaque coyote]

Oh

[winter pine]

It made me laugh to see Hadron awaken a bunch of Darktide player's femdom enjoyer side

[arctic talon]

anyways glory to Dark heresy

[wintry cloud]

It’s freaky in here

[arctic talon]

I hope we get a Radical to Puritan scale

ingame

along with a dogmatic/heretic/iconclastic scale

I want both

Since you can be dogmatic to imperial faith

while being a radical

[wintry cloud]

The kroot romance better be fire

[arctic talon]

and you can be a heretic but puritan in your actions

lol

[winter pine]

I hope it's even more granular and we can pick the various Inquisitor philosophies

[wintry cloud]

The nightlords better be scary

[arctic talon]

Honestly its unlikely but it would be cool

[arctic talon]

they're adding the fear and shock table

from the TTRPG

but not a 1 to 1

I'd assume

[wintry cloud]

What was this? I never played it

[arctic talon]

because that one has the "heart attack" you just fall over and die

instantly

lol

from fear

[wintry cloud]

LMAO

[opaque coyote]

That is also why there is a lot of man to man stuff on ao3

[winter pine]

I will be eternally angry that GW ruined the thing they had going with FFG because their RPGs legit had some of the best lore and worldbuilding for 40k

[wintry cloud]

So much fear you become catatonic that’s insane

[opaque coyote]

Although I have to wonder why women are attracted on man to man.

And men for women to women.

[arctic talon]

Cubicle 7's stuff is good

tbh

[opaque coyote]

Is it some type of psychological quirk?

[arctic talon]

they get two of the thing they like

how is this surprising to you

[wintry cloud]

So women are hot right

Now imagine TWO women

[winter pine]

I want to try their Horus Heresy TTRPG whenever it releases

[arctic talon]

Cubicle 7's lore bits for Imperium Maledictum so far have been excellent

Wrath and glory has some good stuff as well

[winter pine]

Get together a table of committed Death Guard war criminals who are going to lay waste to any loyalists they find

[opaque coyote]

Yeah, it's just interesting, considering that if we were going by strict logic.

Either party, if they're straight, should be attracted to hetero only. But this is not the case even for people who are straight.

Of course, there is that simple logic, but I just wonder why that becomes the case? Why aren't we just neutral towards it instead?

Why did God make our brains a tangled fucking mess

Yahweh, Allah, whatever the FUCK your title is. I swear even if I get sent to Hell. I need you to answer several of my questions

[wintry cloud]

Noar

Straight just means i like girls. Not men

Hetero porn includes a man

[rocky gale]

Well hetero people aren't necessarily attracted to hetero relations, they're attracted to the opposite sex, so erotic situations featuring two people of the opposite sex to them is like having two pies

[arctic talon]

^

[opaque coyote]

"Oh boy two pen- I mean pies!"

[wintry cloud]

Grunting, moaning etc
Man moaning isn’t my style

[arctic talon]

I get to cheat by being Bi/j

[wintry cloud]

Bi people stay winning

[arctic talon]

Honestly it seems really interesting, but I'm more interested in their Old World TTRPG

which is going to be different mechanically from WHFBRP

which is funny

[winter pine]

The old Warhammer Fantasy TTRPG seemed funny in how completely brutal and unforgiving it was

AD&D's Dark Sun didn't have shit on it

iirc wasn't there a wound infection mechanic that would completely fuck your character's day up on a moderately bad roll?

[rocky gale]

My favourite thing about the old Warhammer Fantasy TTRPG was it had a mechanic which encouraged you to roll your entire character including race and class at random, so you could roll up your character and just get "Human Farmer" as your race and class

[arctic talon]

yeeeeeeeeeep

lol

Imperium Maledictum caries on the tradition of FFG's stuff mechanically perfectly lol

its still got the good ol suc or die

[surreal nest]

is eye of terror the new white supremacist warhammer subreddit or something

[arctic talon]

as a regular thing

[arctic talon]

yes

[winter pine]

I love Dark Sun as the D&D equivalent of Fallout but the Warhammer Fantasy Battle RPG had it completely beat as a brutal no mercy survival TTRPG

[wintry cloud]

yes

[opaque coyote]

Notice how they coincidentally name themselves after Chaos related things

Or well

"""coincidentally"""

And Chaos is like

[wintry cloud]

are they still not over custodes?

[opaque coyote]

The most evil faction in the setting

They aren't even trying to hide it

[surreal nest]

I was on reddit (forgive me) looking at recipes for chaos warriors and I got one of their shits reccomended to me and it was a spiel about how...genestealer cults are a comment on woke society

[opaque coyote]

[wintry cloud]

sounds about right

[opaque coyote]

Overall this is why World Eaters are the best

No racism

No prejudice

[arctic talon]

the FFG warhammer TTRPGs are all absurdly killy

[opaque coyote]

Just pure murder

[arctic talon]

its so funny

Imperium Maledictum is (less killy) outside of combat

but way more killy in it

because go my lasgun headshot instantly kill someone

[wintry cloud]

best thing about the khorne battletome is that it has some khornate propaganda

"Khorne is freedom"
"Just let go and give in to the hate"
"become nothing, abandon yourself"

[winter pine]

I love killy TTRPGs like the 40k ones and my favorite Cyberpunk RED, wish people would quit trying to do conversion of D&D 5e to something that's not high fantasy

[rocky gale]

That's why I find it so funny you can be so unbelievably tanky in FFG's Star Wars TTRPG

[lament shoal]

I got fucking recommended that sub in my feed randomly💀

Good thing I know to stay away from it now

[winter pine]

I love how in theory meritocratic Khorne worship is

Kill the most chumps and throw their skulls at his thrown? Congrats bro he likes you now.

[wary fulcrum]

One of the guys who founded the Imperium of Man group was one of those

More or less got pulled up from all the others about being a racist dickbag and publicly left to join that and really push it in other spaces (I can’t remember if he was a founder or an early joiner)

Mad part was I got on really well with him in a different group and he was a chill dude, just one day outed himself

Online personas are fucking weird

[winter pine]

One of my hot takes is that GW should just embrace "grim progressiveness" to smoke out these types and build good will

The Imperium doesn't not give a shit about your background if you are meat willing to pick up that lasgun and kill for him on Terra

[wary fulcrum]

To be fair, they did the Warhammer is for Everyone statement and offered to back any tournament that kicked out racists after the Spanish tourney incident

[opaque coyote]

There are ways to cheat the system. I think Khorne worshippers made a machine to harvest blood

It technically is less efficient than killing them yourself in the good old fashioned way

But that doesn't matter due to the sheer amount of people that would be killed

[dire loom]

Hmm yes Lore

[winter pine]

Rules lawyering your way to gaining favor with the Chaos Gods lmfao

[daring creek]

https://tenor.com/view/ultra-kill-dance-nailed-it-v1-the-wr13r-gif-13595734573531527596

[arctic talon]

there was an admiral who just exterminatused a bunch of planets to please Khorne lmao

[jade holly]

I’m guessing Grendyl is a very “ends justify the means guy” among Inqusitors huh?

[arctic talon]

he;s def a radical

considering he isn't having us burn the grimores on the spot

how radical we dunno

[jade holly]

I would not be surprised if he allows the Rogue Traders to give us Xeno allies

although I suspect we already have one Xeno working with us

[arctic talon]

he's worked with xenos before

so

maybe

[opaque coyote]

KROOT MERC

IT IS POSSIBLE

[storm jungle]

The only xeno is you

the player

[opaque coyote]

THEREFORE IT WILL HAPPEN

Tbh it's probably there in case if they want to add any Xenos weapon

Aeldari guns would go hard with a psyker

[jade holly]

What’s the theory regarding Swagger now?

Still Eldar most likely?

[storm jungle]

Hes not an eldar

💀

[arctic talon]

Swagger isn't weird enough

[storm jungle]

^

[jade holly]

Possible GSC?

[storm jungle]

deffo

he splurged in our cereals

we are genesteal'd

genestolen*

[jade holly]

Not our rashuns

[storm jungle]

But yeah like im pretty sure hes jus ta dude lol

[arctic talon]

bro gened all over our rations/j

sorry

yeah he's 99% likely to just be some guy

[lament shoal]

I think thats where the racist people from that luna wolves themed subreddit migrated to right?

[storm jungle]

Uhh basically it was

• HorusGalaxy

• Vengeful Spirit

• Eye of Terror (now)

[outer wave]

What's the next name they'll pick?

[lament shoal]

Yeah Horus galaxy was the one I was thinking of

[storm jungle]

lmao first post i see

yeah uh

the posts are literally just

• Transphobic

• Primarch circlejerking

• Sexism

• Homophobia

LMAO

Okay not gonna lie

them being STILL this mad

is so fucking funny

https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

[sacred ginkgo]

They can't even make good shitposts

[storm jungle]

like, I know people throw the word "echo chamber" a lot

but this is LITERALLY one

holy shit

[wintry cloud]

yeah they still havent moved on from this

female custodes night terrors

[opaque coyote]

Man I wonder why they name themselves consistently after the second most evil faction in the entirety of 40k

[storm jungle]

Its hilarious because they act like they are on superior standing by mocking it while literally everyone has moved on and doesnt care anymore.

(aka literally every 40k "controversy")

(it always lasts 2-3 weeks)

[lament shoal]

We had a guy in this channel get mad at us yesterday because we were talking about Charlie Kirk, and he called the mods on us about rule 11. He's got a yt channel and this is the kind of stuff he posts on it btw:

[storm jungle]

LMAOOO

NOOOOOOOOO

[lament shoal]

I still don't get why he was so upset ngl. None of us were celebrating his death

[opaque coyote]

W-Day (woke day) is still in their minds

When they invaded the beaches of LGBTQ+

...

[storm jungle]

"We woked the wrong enemy."

• General Pattington Bear

[wintry cloud]

he's traumatized from all the kirkification

[jade holly]

Are we ever gonna get another monstrosity?

[arctic talon]

Patton was such a piece of shit

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

probably never

[storm jungle]

He was lol

[arctic talon]

Anyways Eisenhower is my GOAT

[jade holly]

DG raid boss, it’ll happen I swear

[arctic talon]

/hj

[storm jungle]

"YOU'RE FIRED."

[jade holly]

gets dragged off in a straight jacket

[opaque coyote]

He was also just fucking insane.

Tbf to him, he did eventually learn that PTSD was bad

[arctic talon]

Literally warned the US about the military industrial complex

[opaque coyote]

...

[arctic talon]

Which is fucking insane

[jade holly]

IT’LL HAPPEN I SWEAR

[opaque coyote]

EVENTUALLY

[arctic talon]

How much foresight he had

lol

[winter pine]

Eisenhower still did a lot of work to build the foundation for the MIC

[opaque coyote]

Joining the ranks of George Washington and Roosevelt in "This is a problem, please never do this."

"I WILL DO THIS ANYWAYS-"

[jade holly]

TR or FDR?

[opaque coyote]

Both

TR more so though

My man tried to dismantle monopolies

[jade holly]

It’ll take more than a bullet to kill a bull moose

[opaque coyote]

Closest to also making a third party

[jade holly]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Yep he was part of the problem for better or for worse

[opaque coyote]

Damn shame

[jade holly]

Except his approach caused a split in the vote which allowed Wilson to win

[arctic talon]

But at least he warned people

[jade holly]

So uhhh….

[arctic talon]

Mr. KKK are the good guys himself?

[opaque coyote]

Also, although it doesn't fit his character, he also was the first one to consider sports regulation

[winter pine]

Wilson has to be the most "decent policy but absolutely wretched human being" president ever

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Somehow was a good president

[jade holly]

Meanwhile Carter’s the absolute opposite lmao

[arctic talon]

Literally has a soul that’s darker then outer space

[opaque coyote]

Wilson is just

...

Honestly it says a lot that Hoover was better than him as a person

[winter pine]

Learning that Carter gave arms to Indonesia to crush various insurgencies kind of soured me on him

[jade holly]

Tbf majority of his time was during WW1 if o remember right

[opaque coyote]

A good leader is often not a good person

Even the best of them

[winter pine]

Me being forced to reluctantly support Big E during the Horus Heresy books

[jade holly]

Carter was a fairly good man, but he was most definitely not that great of a president. At least from what I’m remembering

[opaque coyote]

I think overall his presidency just

Existed

Neither really awful or life changing

Just kinda there

[storm jungle]

There really hasnt been any good presidents ever

the proper "good" ones ala Carter are forgotten for a reason unfortunately

[winter pine]

You can't really be a good leader of The Great Satan

[storm jungle]

People look to controversial or "massive" achievements, not actual things that did good stuff

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

[opaque coyote]

They are either good in policy but not as a person

Good as a person but not on policy

Etc.

[storm jungle]

Yeah that

[arctic talon]

LOL

[jade holly]

I mean Washington helped establish the idea of what it means to be a president. That and willingly stepping down after a second term

[storm jungle]

like I love Roosevelt but he was also a huge fuckup regarding American expansionism and also thinking Natives were subhuman

[storm jungle]

He also had his own share of fuckups to be fair

[arctic talon]

So where do we count dronestrike lord Shas O’bama

[storm jungle]

I mean

Obama did nothing huge really

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

he was extremely charismatic

[arctic talon]

Thats

[storm jungle]

also bombed hospitals

thats it

[jade holly]

Yeah, which is why we learn from our past leaders to improve on the good and do away with the bad

[arctic talon]

Actually a good point huh

[opaque coyote]

Washington wasn't perfect. Especially during the beginning of the revolution. He fucked up a lot.

But what made him permanently written down in the history books was his willingness to learn and admit his mistakes

[jade holly]

I’m gonna say it, his charisma carried him

[arctic talon]

So has every modern US president since Bush 💀

[storm jungle]

Its really dawning when you finally realise it

its why like

[arctic talon]

He did like

[storm jungle]

his take on the US landscape now?

[arctic talon]

The ACA and

[storm jungle]

just being a centrist

lol

[arctic talon]

That’s all I can like

Remember

[storm jungle]

100%

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

like uh

i dont know if anyone here watches or watches the Boondocks

[opaque coyote]

Like he was a mid general in the beginning. But he learned from the French and quickly grew.

[storm jungle]

but their episode on Obama was prophetic

[arctic talon]

Obamacare™ is the one thing I like remember well

lol

[storm jungle]

it literally described his entire presidency

and its like over a decade old now

[opaque coyote]

The Boondocks is fucking top tier comedy and satire

[winter pine]

apologies if I'm already calling the US the great satan lmfao

[jade holly]

Fun fact: Television helped JFK beat Nixon in an election.

[storm jungle]

I mean

[arctic talon]

It’s funny

[storm jungle]

you say that like its wrong

its fine lol

I had a literal relative tortured in Abu Ghraih so ill allow it 💀

[arctic talon]

The “great” powers of the world get to all be evil as a treat

/j

[opaque coyote]

I mean.

Not yet. More like... the current Roman Empire

Including it's slow decline

[winter pine]

Lowkey it makes me support Abaddon in his mission to rip the Corpse Emperor off his throne of lies and chop his head off

[opaque coyote]

I would call Cambodia like

A great Satan. Although not really on the great part.

Seriously though what the Khmer Rouge did was

Like

Vietnam literally had to bail the country out

It is genuinely heartbreaking

Reading the accounts of the survivors

It is like every type of evil mixed into one

Competent enough to execute it

Stupid enough that it made things so much worse.

[arctic talon]

Vietnam install pol pot

realize how badly the fucked up a few years later

Ignore it

pol pot starts to invade Vietnam

[opaque coyote]

"oopsie"

[arctic talon]

okay now it’s a problem

[opaque coyote]

Still though like

Pol Pot was basically every type of evil distilled into one. Mao and Stalin called him crazy.

[arctic talon]

I mean

[opaque coyote]

When you got Mao and Stalin calling you a stupid nutcase

[arctic talon]

He was crazy

Like

[opaque coyote]

Something is deeply wrong with you

[storm jungle]

Also Elite random question was it you posting those spoilers for the Alpha Primus short story

[arctic talon]

He was actually batshit insane

[arctic talon]

The spoiler tagged ones? Yeah

[opaque coyote]

"KILL ALL PEOPLE WEARING GLASSES."

[arctic talon]

I didn’t type them without spoilers

[winter pine]

Pol Pot was grimdark levels of insane and malevolent

[storm jungle]

can you get me the full thing, i need spoilers

[jade holly]

Tell me you’re joking

[winter pine]

One out of four people in Cambodia dead because of him

[arctic talon]

One moment

I’ve only gotten shit second hand

[opaque coyote]

Tbh for a bit I legitimately just

Refused to believe that he was real while reading it.

Like for a day I was like

"This mf couldn't have been real"

[arctic talon]

I don’t have it srry @storm jungle

[opaque coyote]

I accepted it but

Still

Like

It made me understand the perspective of Holocaust deniers for a second.

That's how bad Pol Pot was

Just the idea of somebody being that fucking vile

And stupid

At the same time

It just

It made me question things

[jade holly]

Ultimate power corrupts ultimately as the saying goes.

[opaque coyote]

That's for sure

[opaque coyote]

My man didn't even have ultimate power

He was already batshit from the beginning

[jade holly]

True

[storm jungle]

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[opaque coyote]

Power just exaggerates all of your qualities