40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

lol

But that’s my opinion

[celest dome]

Fyreslayer ?

[arctic talon]

I’ve found very few people who like fyreslayers

[celest dome]

Indeed

[arctic talon]

Yes

[rocky gale]

Don't worry, next edition Cities will get even bigger Knight sized Cogvehicles too

The Cogwalkers

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/metaphor-metaphor-re-fantazio-will-metaphor-protagonist-protagonist-gif-4360373816898240160

[rose thorn]

I like fyreslayers a lot, I hope they get more magma dragons as they are most likely getting a major release

[arctic talon]

They need pants

I’m half joking

[celest dome]

I'm not

[arctic talon]

But the armored underwear look is lame

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/wild-wild-west-spider-tank-gif-18024449

[celest dome]

Loincloth are aweful

[arctic talon]

The loincloths would be fine

Imo

[rose thorn]

I hope they get more islander themed stuff

[arctic talon]

If they weren’t as uh

Idk

I do not like armored underwear lol

It makes them look goofy

The newer ones where it’s just the loincloth are way better

[rose thorn]

Sorry what are you referring to?

Every fyreslayer i own has a loincloth

[celest dome]

I feel like there is some translation errors

Those are Loincloths

Even the Flameseekers

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/jo-cat-barbarian-rage-gif-20644754

[valid needle]

Signar is lost primarch 2

[rose thorn]

Pain and suffeirnf

[arctic talon]

Vulcan flameseekers or whatever they’re called

Are the best fyreslayer minis

lol

[celest dome]

They're great

But they're still loincloth

[rocky gale]

The Warcry ones?

[rose thorn]

There is almost zero design difference between them an normal fyreslayers

[arctic talon]

Gotrek doesn’t count

Since he’s just a whfb slayer

Tbh

[celest dome]

They have skirts

[rocky gale]

Aren't they the newest ones too?

[rose thorn]

They just have women and are painted different

[arctic talon]

Yes iirc

[rose thorn]

No the foot hero in the middle of the pic above is the newest fyreslayer

[arctic talon]

Bigger loincloths look way better

[rose thorn]

Grimhold exile

[rose thorn]

Fair

[arctic talon]

Also their posing is better

Grimhold exile I like the posing on

Their original posing is ass

[rose thorn]

Fair

[celest dome]

The only difference is naked legs or skirt

[celest dome]

By god can I not see right side mini as being fully naked

[arctic talon]

Like ima be real with ya the vulkite power stance doesn’t look good

Imo

[rose thorn]

Their sprues sre really unintuitive leading to pretty bad posing if you own more than like 2

[arctic talon]

Where they got their arms spread out

Auric hearthguard look like a rank and file unit

Tbh

I also like them a good bit

But put them on squares

And then you have a rank and file unit lol

[rose thorn]

lol

Hopefully their major release this edition has new kits for most of their guys

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/chair-spin-manhattan-cafe-uma-musume-umamusume-agnes-tachyon-gif-15089246511517086019

[wary fulcrum]

How would you do it?

Make the current range their elite berserkers and have some more mundane flame seekers?

Or go the opposite, the current range are the basic infantry and there’s even more elites coming

[rose thorn]

We have 2 utterly conflicting leaks saying Sylvaneth will get a major kurnothi release (the Lore and recent releases pointing this direction) but now people are saying they are just getting a foot hero

[wary fulcrum]

(Give them magma dragon Ogors you cowards)

[rose thorn]

Add more magmadroths and just replace their old kits tbf lmao

They have a really good unit range on tabletop

Oh and they need a named hero or two

[arctic talon]

I lowkey want Kuronathi to be their own faction

Lol

Or to be part of cities(weird I know but there’s precedent)

[rose thorn]

Kurnothi aelves you mean?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[wary fulcrum]

Definitely need a named hero, someone for the range to rally behind

[arctic talon]

Not Kuronathi sylvaneth lol

[rose thorn]

The key word is shared by all kurnothi worshippers

[arctic talon]

I know

But I refer to the aelves when I say that

[rose thorn]

Ah gotcha

[arctic talon]

Mostly because it’s more associated with them

[rose thorn]

I’d understand if they are a cities, the only slightly possible photo we have of a real leak that is grey murmur is supposedly a duardin release for cities

[arctic talon]

I’m ngl

That grey leak could literally be anything Order/cities aligned lmao

[rose thorn]

I don’t even think the leaks are real

Let me get the other ones

[wary fulcrum]

It has the cthulu banner the pirate aelves have so clearly it’s another Stormcast release

[rose thorn]

One of these is supposed to be a duardin

[rose thorn]

Tahts supposed to be a skaven lol

It almsot doenst even look like a gw model lol

Side note

[celest dome]

Top right look like an Aether Chemist gun

[rose thorn]

I fucking hate this guy btw lol

[celest dome]

Goliath for Necromunda I could see

[celest dome]

Is that from before they revealed the stuff ?

[rose thorn]

Before the reveal after the Chinese leak

[rose thorn]

Also I DDINT KNOW BUT FESTUS HAD A LORE MENTION BEFORE THIS

The misinformation caused by Boole has gotten really bad lmao

[celest dome]

Dwarf soup ? Like having Kharadron and Fyreslayer in the same faction ?

Did people think that was gonna happen ?

[rose thorn]

Yeah, they instead made it a whitedwarf thing

[languid meadow]

dude what the fuck am I looking at? a preview to cataracts?

I mean the obvious answer would be somethign slaaneshi but like

idk

it's pink and the right arm looks like a crab or tentacle

[opaque coyote]

Nah, just the POV of somebody after they stared at the sun for an hour

[languid meadow]

it looks so bad lol

[opaque coyote]

Also all of the Deldar weapon names are fucking hilarious

Considering most 40k weapon names are normal

Or well

Not as overly edgy and extreme as Deldar weapon names

My headcanon adopts the fact that the Deldar intentionally named them the most edgy thing possible so that even mentioning their arsenal causes pain

Because holy shit how does anybody seriously name their standard issue helmet

"tormentor helms"

Also, whoever named all this shit definitely had fun

I can imagine them in the writer's room

"How should I name this..?"

"Just think of the most edgy things possible"

"Perfect."

[opaque coyote]

Unironically I can imagine if Commoragh has stores

That's what they would be named

"Okay, should we go to the evil grape building for torture devices? Or the baby eater building instead?"

Yes I had to censor like it is tiktok

[opaque coyote]

The Dark Eldar in general are like

The definition of Grimdark for me

So edgy

So dark

That it somehow loops back around into being genuinely enjoyable as a result

[mossy peak]

wbt khan

[celest dome]

You lore remember the Ruinstorm Star of Chaos, which implied that there were 8-9 Greater Chaos God domains and all ? And that the Emperor would ascend to one ?

Do we know which one it was ?

[lament shoal]

He has cool lore

[opaque coyote]

I would say for filler...

Dorn.

He just

[hollow lantern]

Khan was featured in some recent books by Chris Wraight and he has a good showing tbh

[opaque coyote]

Exists

[mossy peak]

truth nuke

[hollow lantern]

Dorn has actual lore tbh

He kills Alpharius

[celest dome]

Dorn is mostly important during the Siege on Terra tbh

[hollow lantern]

The Siege of Terra might as well be an IF miniseries

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-grenade-truth-nuke-gif-6248133608324632914

[opaque coyote]

True, but as a character

He just

Exists

[mossy peak]

spoilers wtf

[opaque coyote]

I think the most surprising part is how TTS barely fucking exaggerated his character

Like there are two characters in TTS that are basically the same.

Dorn and Ciaphias Cain

At most only slight exaggerations

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-funny-to-me-40k-warhammer40k-rogal-dorn-alfabusa-gif-27259111

[opaque coyote]

Seriously though if I had to introduce somebody to Cain's character

This is the perfect video:

https://youtu.be/oRozBAIbaG4?si=iEsx1it5PzIJe9Nl

Also Takahata's voice is perfect for Cain LMAO

[opaque coyote]

It even includes the detail of Cain having a rare virtue in the Imperium

Caring about his soldiers

(holy shit!!)

[rocky gale]

But how would you introduce someone to Cain if you didn't have to?

[opaque coyote]

That video to introduce them to his personality along with the first novel, Ciaphias Cain: Hero of the Imperium!

[rocky gale]

But you said you would show them that video if you had to introduce someone

What would you do if you didn't have to

[lament shoal]

I think its funny that even though he genuinely does care about his men, his self loathing is so intense that he convinces himself that its just a selfish farce to keep himself alive for longer.

[rose thorn]

Luckily he is dead so you wouldn’t ever need a reason to introduce someone

[opaque coyote]

Do it anyways since the Cain series is entertaining

[rocky gale]

Lame

[opaque coyote]

"I will fight this drugged up World Eater... To protect my reputation!"

Also an entertaining thing is that all of the women who have met Cain somehow managed to get higher positions and better lives

Ffs a Chaos cultist woman even got promoted to a Daemon prince after she encountered him

[languid meadow]

that's my goat

[opaque coyote]

How to get promoted easily in the Imperium

Step one: Be female

Step two: Be attractive (optional)

Step three: Meet Cain

Two is optional because of Sulla

At least according to Cain's descriptions

"Horse faced"

[arctic talon]

All cain needs is attractive features of some sort

bro is down horrendous

[lament shoal]

I like how in the first novel Cain looks back at his memories of Kasteen and goes "damn maybe I should've bagged that when I had the chance"

[opaque coyote]

Tbh since Cain is one of the most unreliable narrators of all time.

It could be that Sulla just looks okay, and he only sees her as such because she often gets him into trouble that he has to bullshit his way out of

[opaque coyote]

My man fucks

When he's not in death defying situation

Or trying to relax

He fucks

He's like Austin Powers in that regard

Except for that Daemon prince(ss)

Imagine getting blue balled so hard

That you ascend into daemonhood

[urban spire]

taking my hat off out of respect for cain canonizing tail mechadendrites

and also tech priests who fuck

[vital ginkgo]

Are chief librarians expected to be proficient in all standard psychic disciplines? Are there some disciplines that just don't work or click with certain librarians similar to in naruto where some Chakra natures (lightning, water, earth, ect)just aren't in a person and they can't use any jutsu from that style?

[lament shoal]

Psykers can learn any school they want

[celest dome]

Has anyone ever seen these symbols.
Last one is probably just "flies"

[vital ginkgo]

Ok

[lament shoal]

They can learn all of em if they want to and are skilled enough

So you can have combinations like biomancers who can also do pyromancy

[vital ginkgo]

So are chief librarians expected to be proficient in most or all standard disciplines or can they just be super good in one?

[celest dome]

Each Chapter tend to have their own tradition and the Librarian will tend to restrict to those techniqes

[rocky gale]

Psykers do typically have one school that comes more naturally to them, but they can usually learn others

[rustic patrol]

Space Wolves Librarians tend to be frost and wolf aligned, so there's some specialization.

[celest dome]

But nothing would stop one from learning outside techniques

Space Wolves are slightly special

But for example Blood Angels have ones themed around blood and Sanguinus

[rustic patrol]

but over all, there are no Chapter based rules about power restrictions between Librarians. You can roll most of the same ones iirc.

[young pecan]

We knew that

[vital ginkgo]

Alright

[young pecan]

|| ||

[urban spire]

don't space wolves have like rune priests or something

[rustic patrol]

Yes, and Blood Angels have both Librarians and Librarian Dreadnoughts, which no other Chapter has iirc.

[lament shoal]

Those are their libations who are totally not psykers

[rocky gale]

In Witchbringer for example Glavia is innately gifted with Divination and instinctively uses it for most situations, but can use other techniques if needed.

[urban spire]

just some light heresy nbd

[paper haven]

What's a little heresy amongst friends?

[rustic patrol]

A visit from Asmodai if you're the Dark Angels.

[urban spire]

who?

[rustic patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-asmodai-repent-make-him-repent-gif-18135020

^

This dude

[paper haven]

Nobody important

[urban spire]

k

[lament shoal]

The Dark Angles' head interrogator chaplain

[rustic patrol]

literally the only character who the fandom understands accurately

every one sees him as a frothing at the mouth interrogator who can't stop doing violence and virtually 0 redeeming qualities

[urban spire]

so what dylan said

[rustic patrol]

and that's exactly who he is in the books

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[celest dome]

From yae old lore

[lament shoal]

No he's very much a key figure in DA lore lol

Dylan's just being silly

[paper haven]

Ah, the deep magic

[paper haven]

Well, that too

[urban spire]

my incredible work of art

[urban spire]

yeah, so irrelephant

[arctic talon]

not the head

lol

[paper haven]

Well, it does appear to be a sub-category of Slaanesh

[lament shoal]

Mb. I'm not a DA fan and he gets lots of attention so I assumed he was the main guy

[arctic talon]

yeah Sapphon is the head but has like way less lore lol

mostly because Asmodai is comically batshit insane

[wary fulcrum]

The featureless face looks like it could be turned into the symbol for Hashut prettt easily

[crystal forum]

so is black skin a chaos indicator

are we just going to ignore that

[wary fulcrum]

I think they’re old rewards

[pliant roost]

Wasnt there a black space marine in SM2 lol

[wary fulcrum]

So black skin isn’t like the skin tone

It’s like the paint

Black 2.0

[plush mason]

key word old lore imo

[plush mason]

ah the Slannesh blessing

[wary fulcrum]

I think it’s a Nyarlothotep reference?

One of his forms is jet black skin

I think the spiral might be one of the cthulu mythos symbols too but I’m not 100%

[urban spire]

that, to be fair, is because lovecraft was a massive racist when he wrote most of the cthulhu mythos

[valid needle]

He is the head chaplain

Of the interrogators

[urban spire]

when lovecraft mentions a monster being black, he is not making use of allegory or metaphor, he is saying the monster looks like someone from africa

anyway that shit's not current lore, dark skin has nothing to do with chaos

[humble shoal]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FYIHWd2s_TA new class confirmed

[urban spire]

love the inspector gadget theme so much

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/inspector-gadget-cartoon-pat-dr-claw-cat-gif-8109722

[wary fulcrum]

I’m not sure he’s being racial in this case, the skin colour is ‘dead black’

But yeah, it’s Lovecraft so safer to assume he is. I’ve seen art of Nyarlothotep which has his skin colour like that of a shadow and that might be my influence

To be honest, I was pleasantly surprised when I read the omnibus, I expected it to be a lot more explicit than it was right up until the one with the weird redneck (scaleneck?) fish town and he just started swinging for the fences

[urban spire]

thing that sucks so bad is lovecraft was getting a LOT better

his wife got his ass out of new england a bit and got him to meet people and he realized he'd been a huge dickhead

then he got cancer and died

[celest dome]

No its the gift black skin, there is also an albino skin gift that is just an empty circle

[urban spire]

we were robbed of old woke lovecraft

dream cycle is kind of that, at least

[wary fulcrum]

What would scare him then if he was cured of his Italiaphobia?

Taxes and fascists I suppose

[rose thorn]

Tacticus ads are so fucking funny, I got an ad there a Biovore fires a shot at some space marines. It splats on an intercessor’s armor like a paintball, he falls to his knee, then reloads and keeps shooting.

[languid meadow]

They are a joy every time they appear

[wet sandal]

This is the true lore the elites don't want you to know

It's very simple actually, the biovore just rolled a 1 on the wound roll

[arctic talon]

Biovore rolled a 1 to wound

smh

[tough haven]

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Darkest dungeon might be real

[tough haven]

Surely this is real

I rather like the fire themed troopers

[tough haven]

I like the one where guardsmen see clearly GSC walking into their ammo cache, and just shout “hey” while they plant bombs

[rose thorn]

OH YEAH LOL

[crystal forum]

canuck flashbang

[mossy peak]

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FixupX · Nov 25, 2025, 2:29 PM

[storm jungle]

[mossy peak]

why are the comments talking about lamenters what’s a lamenter

[storm jungle]

I assume this is a meme right

[mossy peak]

no

[storm jungle]

bruh

do you like read 40k at all

[mossy peak]

i gather they’re unlucky

[mossy peak]

no i get my lore from the wiki

[storm jungle]

that makes it even worse

read the lexicanum

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lamenters

[daring creek]

Whos ready for admech

[daring creek]

No. Fanwiki is better

[storm jungle]

Its not. Stfu.

[sacred ginkgo]

Explode now

[storm jungle]

[daring creek]

Mad cuz true^

[wet sandal]

Can't wait for the admech class to be added to Warhammer 40000: Darktide (releasing on December 2nd)

[storm jungle]

This girl's brain is unsalvagable

[sacred ginkgo]

I hope admech never releases so I can keep watching people baby rage

[mossy peak]

and fandom wiki too

[sacred ginkgo]

Thats worse

[daring creek]

You so mean for no reason...

I bet you punt babies for fun in your freetime.

[sacred ginkgo]

Thats way way worse

[storm jungle]

Fandom is bad.

[storm jungle]

Alas no.

[sacred ginkgo]

Fandom is like

THE shittiest wiki out there

[storm jungle]

^

especially for 40k lore

[daring creek]

You do. I see you do it in the morning

[storm jungle]

[daring creek]

I watch babies enter the stratosphere

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/phenomaman-dispatch-dispatch-game-ravannacries-gif-6337929989348324760

me deciding to NOT send a baby to space for now

[crystal forum]

you when anybody in this channel

[storm jungle]

Literally

[mossy peak]

where do i read actual 40k books

[storm jungle]

Buying em or other methods i cant say.

[crystal forum]

the actual GW website

[storm jungle]

also like-

most book shit is also written in lexi lol

[daring creek]

Dreadnought marines aren't disabled. I see them open their tomb and walk out

I see them fucking walk

https://tenor.com/view/joeswanson-stand-walk-family-guy-gif-17739079

[daring creek]

You don't. Get all of your lore from tiktok.

Also I can help you hold on

[wet sandal]

Amateurs

Text to speech YouTube shorts is where the real lore is

[outer wave]

I get my lore from AI generated slop

On twitter

MAN DESERVES TO RECLAIM THE STARS

SPACE MARINES SO COOL I WANT THEM IN EVERYTHING I CANT BELIEVE THERES NO DARKTIDE CLASS FOR EVEN A NEOPHYTE MARINE

[rose thorn]

I like my lore from 2 hour long videos hosted by a depressed guy MADE BY MAN

[mossy peak]

40k video game power scaling does put space marines below a traitor captain tbh

[outer wave]

God that'd be so funny to see a space marine get walloped by an arch heretic captain

[arctic talon]

Also codexes are good for that stuff

[arctic talon]

This happens in vraks

Lmao

A dark angels vet gets fucking obliterated by a traitor enforcer

Through the power of power fist

[outer wave]

Amazing

[daring creek]

Yeah he got power fisted

[mossy peak]

darktide ogryn with a power fist could kill a named marine

[arctic talon]

But yeah marines can die to normal humans

lol

Big shocker

This happens like in every non bolter porn book ever

[daring creek]

Yeah they're not immortal.

[wet sandal]

Power weapons really are the true equalizer

[outer wave]

True but I wanna see it more in video games

[arctic talon]

Power weapons, meltas, plasma

Mmmmmm

Tasty

Also those winged primes realistically should have wiped the floor with the squad in the new SM2 mission

lol

Considering what Tyranid primes are normally considered a match for

[daring creek]

Like a million vs a thousand is an obvious battle

[mossy peak]

i like the sm squads vs the battle of thermopylae youtube videos

[arctic talon]

Anyways idk cool boss fight

Go my winged tyranid prime tear a terminator in half

[daring creek]

Get all of your lore told by your friend who skimmed every book ever

And fanwiki

[wet sandal]

The final frontier is not getting any information from anywhere and just headcanoning things

[daring creek]

One krieger can take out 10 astartes

[outer wave]

One krieger can take out 1 planet full of Tau because they can FREAKING MELEE AND THEY HAVE SHOVELS AND THEY COOL GASS MASK

[wet sandal]

Insert truth nuke gif

[daring creek]

Trve

Krieg Haters after kriegers dig their graves

[arctic talon]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/GxdjtDdWIAA19YB.gif

[mossy peak]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-bluth-blueth-super-bluth-nova-super-truth-nova-gif-5280196180553689972

[wet sandal]

Tbh I never understood krieg's popularity. They have 0 good books and aren't really anywhere else

[mossy peak]

shipping fulgrim and ferris

[arctic talon]

They look cool

Next question

[wet sandal]

Is it really just wehraboos?

[outer wave]

Yeah they are cool looking

And their warfare style is somewhat unique?

[outer wave]

Alot of their fans are sadly

[sacred ginkgo]

Ww1 looking faction therefore popular

[arctic talon]

It’s just people who think they look cool nowadays but yes also them

lol

The true wheraboo knows the steel legion is literally the wermarcht

Or whatever the fuck the name of their army was

I think I got it right

[jade holly]

Wehrmacht or something like that

[storm jungle]

the OG steel legion were based on Falschimjaeger along with the camo

[arctic talon]

Yeah that looks right

[storm jungle]

their blitzkrieg tactics still remained

[arctic talon]

Steel legion now have some more American bits thrown in

[storm jungle]

but they got really de-germanified lookwise

[arctic talon]

But they’re still like

[storm jungle]

yeah thhat

[arctic talon]

Pretty germanish

The coats are American now

[jade holly]

Normally infantry or we talking US marine Devil Dogs?

[arctic talon]

But the helmet and mask are German still

lol

[arctic talon]

Africa campaign WW2

Specifically

[jade holly]

Interesting

[storm jungle]

one of my fav bits is how Morrow's early concept art has his Steel Legion coat having US rank patches

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Shame they didn’t keep it

Lol

Steel legion in modern art basically roll a dice

[outer wave]

Would've been kinda funny

[arctic talon]

On if they get to look more American or German

Or something vaguely inbetween

[mossy peak]

trinkets from the daot

[jade holly]

Warhammer is mostly European in inspiration no?

Seldom any American stuff?

[arctic talon]

Define American

As in USA?

[jade holly]

US yeah

[wet sandal]

I don't like reading about stuff in 40k that's too obviously alluding to irl/other media. The best parts of 40k is the original stuff

[mossy peak]

idk there’s a lot of killing civilians

[arctic talon]

Then yeah there’s not a ton of USA themed stuff

[outer wave]

Like imagine the inquisition starts pressuring him about his insignia and he goes "Ya, its from... America. From ancient terra. Ya got a problem with that, sir?"

[arctic talon]

Everyone in the history of ever does this unfortunately lmao

[jade holly]

Not exactly US exclusive

[sacred ginkgo]

I think most people would be something that old would be an insane relic find

[arctic talon]

There’s some more South American themed stuff in some 40k things funnily enough

[jade holly]

Further supporting the Warpstorm Morrow theory

[arctic talon]

And also the original dark angels death wing were uh

[jade holly]

[outer wave]

Itd be a wild find yeah, but also pretty cool and funny

[arctic talon]

Very Native American

Aggressively so

[outer wave]

We already know hes from an older time, from Armageddon

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[mossy peak]

warp storm all the way from afghanistan

[arctic talon]

From codex angels of death

lol

[storm jungle]

Awful

also yeah uh

we know Morrow is from the FIRST War for Armaghetto

[jade holly]

Yeah but we don’t know exactly how right?

[storm jungle]

I mean Armageddon

[storm jungle]

We do

[jade holly]

We do?

[arctic talon]

Idk id say it wasn’t disrespectful

But it’s like

[outer wave]

Yeah we do, from Mortis Trials

[arctic talon]

Not great lol

[storm jungle]

i just dont vibe with the idea of an entire group of people who got genocided to shit being portrayed as genocidal super-fascists

its kinda like how GW handled Tallarn, i always hated it as a muslim and still do

unoriginal colonial fucks

[storm jungle]

He was there on the First War yeah

we explore it in-depth

[jade holly]

I’m guessing he’s not a Perpetual

[storm jungle]

down to him even executing his own commissar because he was going mad from Angron's presence on the planet

[storm jungle]

take a wild guess from the cliche board

[jade holly]

My guesses are either:
warp storm displacement
Genetic modifying to age really slow
Perpetual
We cloned Morrow and keep replacing him each time he dies

[storm jungle]

LMAO

yeah nah first one is true but with a pinch of "was in statis-coffin"

https://youtu.be/gxQ3zbhnt7U

[jade holly]

I much prefer the Morrow clone theory

Lmao

[storm jungle]

Lmao shut up

we are not making an army of Morrows

[jade holly]

Be we could

Pulls up to Nurgle’s Garden and sees Mortarion, all he says:

What’s this now?

[storm jungle]

1 nagging bastard is enough, we dont need a legion

[storm jungle]

god that arbites one still gets me

Guilliman himself could board and meet him and he'd go

"WELL WELL, WHATS ALL DIS THEN"

[jade holly]

Visits the Golden Throne:
Alroight what’s dis now?

[outer wave]

But imagine all the Morrussy the rejects get access to....

[jade holly]

[outer wave]

That was awful

[jade holly]

I found the Slaanesh fan

[outer wave]

I am so sorry

Oh dude I'd fall to them tbh

[jade holly]

[outer wave]

Not for the reasons you're thinking

[jade holly]

Damn Glutton

[outer wave]

I do really like food and music

Art too

[mossy peak]

wouldn’t perpetual morrow be a significantly more important thing than anything in darktide

[outer wave]

Maybe

Its not like human perpetuals havent existed before

[daring creek]

Is the phenomenon of generational trauma ever explored in warhammer

Hm

The examples im seeing of it IRL isn't what I thought it was. Actually.

[outer wave]

Its not Umineko no

There is no love in this series 😔

[daring creek]

Society

[outer wave]

Actually I guess Emperor and Primarchs kinda are?

But you know

Its doggy water

Least from what everyone says in here

[tough haven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452219191580295168/1443057533320302763/SCUM.mp4?ex=6927af8e&is=69265e0e&hm=0accfb42344dbb480ed1452ce198080271de11d44badfa6b31a396a567bf8d02&

[languid meadow]

the best part is that maul can say scum more

but I haven't ran into a maul in forever

[lament shoal]

@storm jungle

[tough haven]

This isnt mine

stolen from a guy in the darkest dungeon server

[crystal forum]

guys

pluribus episode 5 tomorrow

watch the show NOW

wait no it came out already

[burnt maple]

What.

[crystal forum]

WHY CANT I FOLLOW THE FUCKING SCHEDULE

[burnt maple]

The fuck is oluribus.

[crystal forum]

new show by maker of breaking bad vince gilligan

featuring the actress who played kim wexler

[burnt maple]

I see. Meh.

[crystal forum]

dunce

[daring creek]

Real? Awesome.

[crystal forum]

it said 2 days before friday but i never seem to get the correct date ffs

anyways yaaaay

[crystal forum]

OH MY GOD HOWARD HAMLIN'S VOICE IS IN THE EPISODE

[daring creek]

Holyshit

[crystal forum]

just a small cameo methinks

i think it's him

[daring creek]

What if Mr Rogers was in 40k

[mossy peak]

we are charlie kirkkkkkk

[sacred ginkgo]

Listen I'm not evil but 2k a week is 2k a week

[crystal forum]

aint no way there's no illegal shit happening in whatever server that is

that's silencing money

[sacred ginkgo]

a lot of silencing money

[opaque coyote]

https://youtu.be/yhfBlMfcEyM?si=tcBM7GDPfbhDAlxj

[outer wave]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/comments/1p6wj4x/darktide_community_after_hive_ganger_dlc/

[mossy peak]

hives [censored]

[lament shoal]

https://youtu.be/AbtirFIU8nE?si=FK80TiIJVpOuGaGR

[vital ginkgo]

Is a librarian supposed to have their Chapter's icon on their left or right shoulder?

[arctic talon]

Left from viewers perspective normally

[vital ginkgo]

Ok so the space marine's right shoulder

Thanks

[lament shoal]

Depends on the armor they're using tho

Librarians in phobos armor have the chapter emblem on their left shoulder

[vital ginkgo]

But standard mkx is on the right?

[lament shoal]

No, most marines have their logo on their left

Its only switched for special cases, like specialized units and the deathwatch

[vital ginkgo]

Why would you single phobos out?

[lament shoal]

To show you that not every librarian has the logo on their right

[vital ginkgo]

I'm trying to make an Imperial fist librarian in sm2. Most pics I see of them have it on their left. Are they just incorrect?

[opaque coyote]

Honestly thought of naming my Hive Scum something like "Benadryl"

Because well

Hives

[++REDACTED BY ORDER OF INQUISITION++]

[zenith remnant]

I'm gonna name mine Sharp-Hand-Joe.

The VO blog said Male Anarchist sounds like he's confused as to why everyone seems terrified of him, and that amused me greatly. Plus, well, it sounds like a dumbass ganger name and pays homage to one of the best shitty bootlegs ever.

[daring creek]

This is the most vile thing I've seen about his death

absolutely

fucking

everyone is just stomping on his grave

holy cow

I mean yay I guess

but

holyshit

So Annoying.

What the hell does "we are charile kirk" even mean????

We are a white supremacist??

[lament shoal]

I think its supposed to be symbolizing his followers carrying on his torch or whatever

[daring creek]

Well his followers can step in shit and trip

Why am I being angsty..

[lament shoal]

He wasn't a good guy but I don't agree with the notion that killing him was a good thing either

[daring creek]

Yeah frankly I think it made things worse

[zenith remnant]

It is bad that he was killed. It is a net good that he is dead.

[daring creek]

either way I don't really care that much right now. I'm just tired and hardcore gaming....

[lament shoal]

What you playing?

[daring creek]

Mmmm no I think he's now a propaganda tool

[daring creek]

The Coffin of Andy and Leyley.

[zenith remnant]

He was already that. And he would not be one now had he just dropped dead

[lament shoal]

[daring creek]

maybe. but it definitely paints progressives as more violent than before. both ends are violent yeah. but like......I don't know. Things are too complicated. My head doesn't want to think this deeply.

Just....augh. It's not any of you its just the state of things in general

and whatever idk.

I don't know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[zenith remnant]

They already believed we were violent, greedy sociopaths. This changes nothing. Now they get to pretend we killed someone they actually pretended to give a fuck about, even though he was killed by one of their own.

[flat vessel]

The moderators should ban the lot of you.

[zenith remnant]

Why, over a Herman Goering cosplayer and the Groyper that killed him?

[outer wave]

Why? They're not causing a ruckus

[zenith remnant]

So anyway, apparently there's a whole thing about L-shaped ruins in 40k and now Darktide has something like it in the next Operation mission?

What's the deal with that? I assume it's about tabletop terrain in some way

[lament shoal]

We're getting sent to the trenches

Like actually thats the next update lol

[outer wave]

I believe it was a joke concerning how the one screenshot we got looks like L shaped models you seen on the tabletop all the time

But yeah it does look like that

[zenith remnant]

Huh. I don't have anything to do with tabletop so I never would've known

[flat vessel]

Because it is completely morally reprehensible and inappropriate for this server.

[lament shoal]

What are you talking about lol

[zenith remnant]

In case you didn't notice, we aren't celebrating his murder. We just have nothing positive to say about the man apart from the fact that he's dead.

[outer wave]

Fellas were talking about Charlie Kirk and that dog shit AI song that's been all the buzz for a bit

[lament shoal]

Oh ik, I was a part of that convo

[outer wave]

Oh my bad lmao

[lament shoal]

I'm just confused as to why this guy is so upset

[zenith remnant]

Some people only improve the world by departing it. End of.

[flat vessel]

This is a server for Darktide not for you to engage in political discussions.

[flat vessel]

Once again completely morally reprehensible.

[zenith remnant]

This chat is basically random bs in everything but name.

[outer wave]

You'd be surprised how often this chat gets into political talks

And its usually good

Usually

[zenith remnant]

It's morally reprehensible because why?

[lament shoal]

Dude we get off topic in here all the time. The mods permit it. Its fine

[outer wave]

^ So as long as we dont cause a ruckus

And not saying legit vile shit

[lament shoal]

Yeah

[plush mason]

yeah

[zenith remnant]

Can't wait for this guy to explain why not being broken up over Charlie karking Kirk of all people being dead is somehow a moral failing on my part

Once he figure out a way to word it, I mean

[lament shoal]

Lmfao

[zenith remnant]

You know, so he doesn't out himself

[flat vessel]

There is no need it should be obvious.

[zenith remnant]

Then you can explain it, can't you?

[lament shoal]

He wasn't a good person. Murdering him was wrong, but you can't expect everyone to feel bad for him.

[zenith remnant]

Or are you going to waste more time being evasive than it takes to actually just say the reason

[outer wave]

I admit I feel kinda bad about his corpse being puppeted as a martyr, but thats the extent of my empathy for the guy

[flat vessel]

Because despite being someone you disagreed with politically he was engaging in fair and honest debate with people and was murdered for it.

[zenith remnant]

No he wasn't, and no he wasn't

[lament shoal]

It was a lot more than that lol. Do some more research. And should look up some of the things he said

[zenith remnant]

Charlie Kirk was a propagandist who used manipulative tactics to assume a veneer of rationality while actually tricking you into believing unsupported hogwash about non-whites and leftists

And he was killed because he went against Trump by demanding the release of the Epstein Files

[outer wave]

Yeah Im not a fan of a guy that goes out of his way to say that empathy is a new age term thats has done alot of damage to us as a society

[lament shoal]

He also said the civil rights movement was a mistake

[zenith remnant]

I didn't just disagree with him politically. I clocked him as a grifting piece of shit who was willing to destroy foundational pillars of a functioning and civil society to fatten his wallet.

The fact that he chose the right wing to grift is just because they're more vulnerable to it

[sacred ginkgo]

Listen, at least he died for his beliefs

Gun violence

[zenith remnant]

He did say children should be allowed to view public executions

[outer wave]

|| He was also okay with his own child getting SA'd and having the child ||

IIRC

[zenith remnant]

I still don't agree with him, but the irony is noteworthy.

There's a reason you never saw him lose a debate. He picked his targets and never aired a clip in which he lost a point.

There's a reason most of the clips of his 'debates' were against random college kids

[outer wave]

Wasnt it just like with Steven Crowder, where he'd pick on uni students who didnt know how to debate in the first place?

[zenith remnant]

Pretty much. Propaganda 101; never let a subject-matter expert breathe if you can avoid it

Why do you think there's so much anti-intelligencia groxshit coming from these people? They're programming their audience to ignore people who can, in excruciating detail and at great length, explain why their politics and policies do not work.

[jade holly]

Alright onto a topic I want to engage in. Big E, what exactly did he do throughout his story before the Imperium began that made him become the “God Emperor of Mankind”?

[plush mason]

frankly im just glad efforts to martyr him have ether failed or out right backfired

[jade holly]

Was he always a giant dude radiating divine authority?

[plush mason]

yup

[zenith remnant]

He was only named that after he was put on the Golden Throne apart from a very small scattering of cults.

[jade holly]

And he was born in what we now know as Turkey

But he himself is not Turkish as that didn’t exist around his time?

[plush mason]

his origins are vague

[flat vessel]

<@&735928989146939404> is rule 11 a suggestion or a rule?

[zenith remnant]

He was The Emperor of Mankind, but not the God Emperor

[plush mason]

^

[jade holly]

This for me or

[outer wave]

You took THAT long to make a ping?

[outer wave]

Everyone in the chat, sans you

[zenith remnant]

He failed to articulate an argument he thought he could win so now he's calling the mods to win the argument for him

[outer wave]

Thats how it feels at this point

[zenith remnant]

Definitely a Kirk fan

[jade holly]

Back to Big E, he’s meant to feel like a mythological legend right?

[outer wave]

Yes

[zenith remnant]

Pretty much

[jade holly]

he’s meant to be incredibly (and I do mean truly incredibly) flawed

[sacred ginkgo]

Its also funny because the odds that Dilara appears and continues the clowning are quite high

[outer wave]

That'll be funny

[lament shoal]

I hope she shows up

Lol

[shadow plover]

Too early for that

[odd tulip]

No such luck. Please do not discuss hot-topic political issues on this server.

[zenith remnant]

Also I'm pretty sure we tried to move on from the topic he's complaining about twice before he intervened

And now maybe we can succeed.

[jade holly]

There’s also meant to be extreme irony with him too right? Emperor despised the idea of being worshipped as a god and now he’s trapped between life and death being worshipped and is practically the last thing keeping the Imperium alive?

[outer wave]

Yer

[zenith remnant]

That's part of it. The mostly meta reason.

[jade holly]

The trick is to just immediately switch gears. Just a blunt and direct topic change like what I did on insulting Big E’s legacy

A man who didn’t want to be God, now worshipped as a god of a decaying imperium that he would most likely despise the state of

[zenith remnant]

I do wonder if they'll ever pick up that Dark King thread again

[sacred ginkgo]

They will

When the setting runs out of money

[jade holly]

Have the Salamanders made any progress on their big treasure hunt?

[zenith remnant]

It'll end up being Abaddon.

[outer wave]

I still wish they kept Big E more of a character in the background rather than an actual character

[sacred ginkgo]

Who, the dark king?

[zenith remnant]

Yeah.

[plush mason]

yeah it sounds perfect for an end times style reboot

[jade holly]

I wanted that for the Primarchs too, have 30k/HH be like a mythical legend

[sacred ginkgo]

Its confirmed as the emperor

[zenith remnant]

It's not confirmed as anyone

[outer wave]

Yeah but the HH had to become not only a book series, but another tabletop wargame

[jade holly]

Also who the Hell is the Dark King

[jade holly]

Too damn popular I say, but it makes sense as to why

[plush mason]

iirc the emperor believed he was becoming the dark king and so tried to avoid it in any way possible

[plush mason]

lord of the chaos gods

[zenith remnant]

It was going to be Horus, then time stopping in Sol rewrote prophecy to be the Emperor, and then he avoided that destiny. All we know is that the Dark King will eventually happen, because his realm and servants already exist in the Warp

[sacred ginkgo]

It took longer to crop this than to find it

[lament shoal]

Their progress so far

[zenith remnant]

Keyword. Was.

[jade holly]

Putting parts of him together like Exodia lmao

[zenith remnant]

Sorry, wrong reply

[zenith remnant]

Keyword. Was.

[jade holly]

Morrow would see Vulkan return and be like: What’s all this now?

[plush mason]

Morrow was on caldaria killing orks with him

[sacred ginkgo]

You are putting a whole lot of weight on semantics

[zenith remnant]

It's established that it was going to be Horus, absolutely, until suddenly it wasn't. Which means prophecies can change or be subverted or even be thwarted in 40k. The Dark King might be the Emperor one day, it might be someone else of a completely different species.

[jade holly]

I bet a Benjamin that it’s just the Necrons pulling a fast one to troll Humanity

[zenith remnant]

I listened to the Siege of Terra audiobooks, alright, there's a few details that didn't make it to Lexicanum

[plush mason]

inb for the dark king is some rat like race no one as seen before lmao

[zenith remnant]

Great Horned Rat confirmed in 39th edition

[jade holly]

Clearly the Dark King was just Konrad Kurze feeling extra edgy one day

[plush mason]

the dark king is ferrus manus reborn

[sacred ginkgo]

I still think that dark king is just set up as an eventual end times out

[plush mason]

same

like i said it is perfect for it

[sacred ginkgo]

Which they probably won't use because the setting makes too much money now

[zenith remnant]

Also, we're talking prophecy here, devolving into semantics is about as certain as the next Space Marine model being blue in the promo materials

[celest cedar]

oh did some nerd get uppity about politics

[outer wave]

Yep

[plush mason]

"prophecies have a tendency to be both right and wrong at the same time"

[daring creek]

Someday I'll rule the world

And kill everyone I don't like

And anyone who dislikes me

There will be public executions.

Live streamed in time square

[plush mason]

ngl i would rather herd cats for a million years than try to rule this mudball

[celest cedar]

this is from his youtube channel

The War On Woke Is Not Over.

ok I can tell just from this why he's pissed

[daring creek]

I can do both while ruling the world

[zenith remnant]

Those two options are the same option

[outer wave]

OH GOD NO

NO NO NO

[plush mason]

nah at least cats are cute

[outer wave]

I mean Im not all that shocked but still

[lament shoal]

Where in his channel is this?

[celest cedar]

he has it in his bio

[jade holly]

Alright back to the Dark King. Is it really supposed to be Big E waking up and deciding to eradicate everything to start over?

[sacred ginkgo]

Its him dying

And succumbing to the culmination of his godhood

[jade holly]

I mean you could argue him waking up is actually him dying and something else taking over

[zenith remnant]

Nope. Not touching this. I've clowned on him enough without devolving into this. Move on.

[lament shoal]

I don't see it there

[celest cedar]

youtube video title

[jade holly]

Can we not do that in here while I’m trying to change topics to keep it 40k related

[celest cedar]

alas Im late to the party so I wont continue the discussion

[jade holly]

Fuck it Iron Hands time, how cyber do some Iron Hands go?

[plush mason]

dead horse at this point, best to just move on and forget about it

[lament shoal]

Found it lmfao

[zenith remnant]

Move. The kark. On.

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh gods its veilguard

[plush mason]

ofc it is, but yeah moving on is best

[jade holly]

Iron Hands specialize in heavy weaponry no?

[lament shoal]

And big machines

[outer wave]

^

[lament shoal]

Dreadnoughts and the like

[zenith remnant]

Well if you serve long enough, some Iron Hands just become a dreadnought without the hole almost-die-in-battle thing

[plush mason]

and being cyborgs

[jade holly]

Kinda sounds like Iron Warriors

[outer wave]

Nah Iron Warriors are more about sieging

[jade holly]

But not exclusively siege warfare

[lament shoal]

Iron warriors specialize in offensive warfare

[zenith remnant]

Iron Warriors are static warfare, Iron Hands are mobile

[jade holly]

Also gotta give GW props on naming things

Ferrus Manus

[outer wave]

IW do like getting mechanical prosthetics and shit, but they dont get too weird about it like IH

[jade holly]

The Iron Hands

[arctic talon]

It’s him becoming a chaos god

[jade holly]

Real original

[arctic talon]

So he’d cease to be

lol

As chaos gods are no longer sentient/sapient by the normal persons definition in 40k

[daring creek]

He becomes a chaos god and blows everything up

[zenith remnant]

I read somewhere where some Iron Hands basically modified themselves into being living siege engines barely less mechanical than a massive combat servitor. Big wall-breaking power drills and everything

[arctic talon]

I mean

there's probably a few like that

lol

there's a dude with chainsword teeth

[pine wedge]

I think the Dark King will be tied to and/or explored more with the Yellow King in Pandaemonium

[arctic talon]

lol

The Dark King imo is highly unlikely to get explored beyond the big spooky stuff and its existing daemons

[pine wedge]

Would be classic Dabnett to tie all of his inventions together in that novel

[arctic talon]

at least to me tbh

[jade holly]

Fucking Hastur is in 40k???

[arctic talon]

No

Yellow King in 40k is a Custodes(probably)

lol

[zenith remnant]

The reference is there

[arctic talon]

not the King in yellow™

[lament shoal]

"If my skull wasn't made of titanium, I'd kill myself."

[arctic talon]

but yeah the reference is there

[jade holly]

Funny enough actually

Hastur is rumored to be coming to Smite 2

[arctic talon]

but yeah the King in Yellow is prolly Valdor

lol

[zenith remnant]

But no, the Yellow King in 40k is a being who has spent a very long time trying to, 1) assemble a complete lexicon of Enuncia, a primordial language that shapes reality without the need for sorcery, and 2) learn the True Name of the Emperor

[pine wedge]

Anyway fake news, the Hive Mind is the Dark King. Get on my level

[jade holly]

The World Eaters one got me lmao

[zenith remnant]

Also he's managed to create manufactured daemons out of psychic blanks somehow

[celest cedar]

the King awaits his return. In Old Carcosa

[outer wave]

Me when I read one word of the second act of The King in Yellow

[arctic talon]

lol

[jade holly]

Iron Hands are also the least friendly loyalist chapter even by Space Marine standards right?

[zenith remnant]

And yeah, there's this giant encoded book some people working for inquisitors Eisenhorn and Ravenor found that turns out to be just one long name, and the first words they decrypted were Constantin Valdor.

And it's implied the book is the Yellow King's name

[jade holly]

I got so many titles to my name they had to write a whole book to say it

[zenith remnant]

Iron Hands hold common humanity in sheer contempt. Or at least they used to. Recent events have somewhat mellowed them apparently

[jade holly]

Damn

[celest cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/d3rlord3-searching-for-a-world-that-doesnt-exist-minecraft-gif-12290641094713257583

[jade holly]

My entire faction of roided up Shockwaves

Gaining emotion??

Horrid

[zenith remnant]

Their obsession with mechanical perfection almost got them murked by Slaaneshi bullshit

[jade holly]

This is why Admech deals in mechanical imperfection

[pine wedge]

Minotaurs might be worse

Actual professional haters

[jade holly]

Iron Hands do it out of cold logic

Minotaurs do it for the love of the game

[arctic talon]

Nah there's way less friendly ones lol

[zenith remnant]

The worst are still the Marines Malevolent, who may as well be Rogue Trader-era Marines with how much they're just roided up asshole bullies

[arctic talon]

The Space Sharks literally kidnap everyone and enslave them

whenever they want

[celest dome]

Marine Malevolent

[crystal forum]

imagine GW tries to copyright king in yellow

[jade holly]

That’s what you get for allowing a space shark to get near you I guess

[shadow plover]

^Reddit marines

Marines Malevolent that is

[jade holly]

Is it bad my two favorite space marine chapters are the Iron Hands and Iron Warriors?

[arctic talon]

no

[zenith remnant]

When your solution to hostile forces assaulting a refugee camp is missile artillery, you may just be the biggest jackasses in the Imperium

Iron Hands and Iron Warriors are both cool and both have depth to them. 'specially the Iron Warriors.

[celest dome]

Sometime they're very stupid about it.
Like that RT short story. Just bring her back to her dynasty and get much more fund and a good ally instead of just 1 serf

[jade holly]

Iron Within, Iron Without 🗿

[arctic talon]

Tbf they like slavery

[arctic talon]

their culture is from unification war RG

which means slaving is part of their culture

[jade holly]

I like Iron Warriors cause Perty reminds me of a very roided and rotund War Machine from Marvel

[arctic talon]

along with their sense of superiority lol

[jade holly]

[crystal forum]

they also probably are so insular that they're borderline heretical

[outer wave]

Me

[zenith remnant]

Space Sharks take tithes from the worlds they protect to refill their own supplies since they are all but a Renegade Chapter who otherwise have no set supply lines

[shadow plover]

Perty is like one of the few well written primarchs without much deviation how he is written

[arctic talon]

"tithe"

yeah kidnap everyone

and enslave them

[zenith remnant]

That's what tithes are in the Imperium

[crystal forum]

i tithed a walmart the other day

[arctic talon]

No as in everyone

lol

[zenith remnant]

That's what tithes are in the Imperium

[jade holly]

I remember making a homebrew successor chapter for Iron Hands I called the Iron Mavericks

Yes they were cyber space cowboys

[arctic talon]

Tithes normally do not empty an entire world of its population

as funny as that would be

lol

[zenith remnant]

Neither do they

[shadow plover]

POV: Space Sharks have come to your word to "tithe" your population and are talking about some millenia old rule that permits them so

[arctic talon]

They literally do in their books

they empty out the entire population of a prison world

[zenith remnant]

They took the population of like, one prison, that has already been depopulated by chucklefuck Night Lords

[jade holly]

Are Space Sharks the Carcharadons?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[crystal forum]

almost rogue trader level bullshit blank cheque

[shadow plover]

very much so

[zenith remnant]

Not even a full penal world. One prison.

[arctic talon]

it is a rogue trader level blank cheque lol

[jade holly]

Ngl, Rogue Traders must suuuuuuck to work with

[arctic talon]

considering it has the approval of Corax

he was pretty nice to his sons he kicked out

[crystal forum]

dont RT have emperor level approval

some at least

[jade holly]

What Lorgar sees outside his window everytime he wakes up because a raven crowed

[sacred ginkgo]

Yes

[zenith remnant]

Also, saying Perty doesn't have variance depending on who writes him is a wild thing to say. John French almost exclusively writes him as a petulant manchild.

[crystal forum]

yeah so emperor beats primarch

[sacred ginkgo]

Older Warrants are signed by him directly

[crystal forum]

in bed and in life

[jade holly]

Isn’t his actual personality meant to be more along the lines of a man tired and fed up of not being recognized for the work he does?

[arctic talon]

not all warrants are written by the emperor

[crystal forum]

were you there wolf

[arctic talon]

[jade holly]

Like aren’t Iron Warriors one of the most efficient and effective chapters to exist?

[arctic talon]

as a legion?

they were pretty meat grindery

[jade holly]

Like nearly solo carrying the HH effective?

[arctic talon]

but efficent yeah

[arctic talon]

no

as funny as that would be

lol

but they did do a lot during it

[jade holly]

They were the reason the Herwsy didn’t get squashed immediately though

[crystal forum]

alpha legion carried HH for both sides

[arctic talon]

that

isn't true

at all

[daring creek]

Why is ashley severely mentally ill

[jade holly]

Let me spit my Iron Warriors propaganda smh

I got an agenda to uphold

[arctic talon]

lol

no

bad

[daring creek]

Why am I mentally ill

[arctic talon]

I should probably reread the carch books

[zenith remnant]

They were meat grindery mostly because of the kind of warfare they specialized in being inherently meat grindery. And their logistics were second only to Guilliman's Legion. No matter how bad their casulaties were, they could recoup their losses insanely quickly. It helps that their geneseed was also possibly the most stable.

[arctic talon]

but also I don't want to

💀

[crystal forum]

because you didnt watch episode 5

[daring creek]

Bull shit

It ain't out yet

Right?

[jade holly]

And the… I really don’t wanna recognize that horrid thing’s existence

[crystal forum]

please i died laughing it's a funny episod

[arctic talon]

the Iron Warriors were the Ultramarines of the Traitors side

lol

[shadow plover]

Carcharodon books are good

[jade holly]

You know what I’m referring to

[arctic talon]

thats post heresy

[crystal forum]

i was mistaken

if's today

[arctic talon]

Daemoncubula aren't even that bad bruh

by 40k standards

[dire loom]

🗣️ Iron Warriors

[zenith remnant]

That was way after.

[arctic talon]

people just get shocked by them bcs they're in the Uriel books

lol

[jade holly]

That says a damn lot lmao

[arctic talon]

and the Uriel books are more popular

so its a big shock because its like

a really fucked up thing in a popular series lol

[jade holly]

Also aren’t the Black Legion meant to be the mirror to the Ultramarines?

[crystal forum]

every time i see that word i imagine a candelabra possessed by a demon

[arctic talon]

no

[jade holly]

Boring basic color faction of evil matching the boring basic color faction of good

[arctic talon]

if we go by Heresy no

The Iron Warriors are mirrors to both the UM and IF

[jade holly]

IW and IF is like Ravens vs Steelers lmao

[zenith remnant]

I think it's debatably the single most grotesque thing in 40k. It depends on if you think Slaaneshi stuff is worse because it's being done at the whims of an insane god that feeds on depravity and suffering, or if you think the Daemonculaba is worse because of how coldly pragmatic it is in its purpose and function

[arctic talon]

the Sons of Horus are a mirror to both the DA and BA

ect.

the BA are a mirror to the World Eaters and SoH

ect.

[jade holly]

What’s Iron Hands’s mirror?

[zenith remnant]

Like, as horrific as it is, the Daemonculaba is only horrifying as a side-effect. It is the way it is because a Warsmith decided this was the quickest and most effecient way of creating new Space Marines, not because he wanted a horror show.

[arctic talon]

Death guard and Emperors children

[zenith remnant]

I lean towards Emperor's Children on that one

Both chasing perfection, both damned never to get it, both doing it in different ways

[arctic talon]

yeah they both change perfection of self and such

[jade holly]

DG’s is White Scars

[zenith remnant]

Also their Primarchs were close and then Fulgrim killed Ferrus

[jade holly]

Slow hulking juggernauts vs the fast bois

[arctic talon]

the Legions have multiple mirrors

intentionally

Mirrors are the same

not different

lol

[jade holly]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-i-cast-fist-gif-18135032

[arctic talon]

you literally do not know how a mirror works smh my head

[jade holly]

I searched up I cast fist for gifs but I accidentally typed “I cast fiat” like the car lmao

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/inefablejuly-cat-talking-to-itself-on-the-mirror-gif-4687590411166254441

[jade holly]

Clearly mirrors show me what I don’t look like

[zenith remnant]

I'm not very well-read on the White Scars, tbh. I don't know how exactly, but yes, the direct mirrior is supposedly the Death Guard there, but I don't know how that works out philosophically other than Mortarian and the Khan dueled that one time

[arctic talon]

the White Scars get mirrored by the World Eaters and Alpha Legion

tbh

[jade holly]

I’d say chapters have a mirror, and then a rival

[arctic talon]

the Death Guard are their rivals throughout the Heresy though

[celest cedar]

6. Any memes posted MUST be Darktide or 40K related. Unrelated memes will be deleted and any memes violating other rules (such as 3, 5, 8, 10, or 11) will be penalized. chat are we cooked

[jade holly]

IF and IW are rivals, but the IW mirror IH in cold efficiency and machinery if you will

[arctic talon]

Like how the Dark Angels rivals were the Night Lords

[zenith remnant]

This discussion is getting more confusing than an Eldar Farseer's Starbucks order

[arctic talon]

so

Dark Eldar haemonculi

amiright

[dapper gyro]

The SM legions generally have 2 to 3 tributes to them, which allow them to pair with more than 1 of the opposite forces, likewise with their allies.