Pretty much.
#40k-lore-chat
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
Or 6
storm jungle
Its really like not worth the argument or debate lol
vagrant fox
nuance and it depends smh, too much nonsense
storm jungle
Or 6
its been clear for years now minus the Magii (and even thats fracturous) the authors got no idea what the fuck the ranks of mechanicus actually looks like as even the codexes go almost every forgeworld just entirely does their own thing while VERY "meh"-ly adhering to some rough chart organisation
arctic talon
queen laurel
Where did you get that gif from lmao
i love when people show me Admech characters and it's just
arctic talon
Stilt boy is cursed
Because that type of skitarii was around during the heresy
lol
surreal nest
https://tenor.com/view/skitarii-warhammer-40k-skitarii-skitarii-warhammer-40k-wa...
I dont understand the battlefield functionality of the most exposed no armor dipshit ive ever seen
craggy ginkgo
Stilt boy is cursed
bold words for someone behind a wall less than four meters in height
arctic talon
I dont understand the battlefield functionality of the most exposed no armor dip...
It’s a sniper
Also they’re stuffed full of augmentics
lol
surreal nest
It’s a sniper
yeah but how does that beat having the same guy but letting him just fucking float or something
the world's most vulnerable watch tower
arctic talon
yeah but how does that beat having the same guy but letting him just fucking flo...
Because the stilts are traditional in a specific region on mars
craggy ginkgo
yeah but how does that beat having the same guy but letting him just fucking flo...
jetpacks and hoverpacks need fuel
arctic talon
I’m unironically not fucking with you
This shit has been lore since 7e
💀
Actually earlier
Also the mechanicus do have jetpack skitarii with snipers
lol
Pteraxii can use them
storm jungle
jetpacks and hoverpacks need fuel
Logistical issue arguments dont really work
its a stupid ass model
and thats why its great
lol
arctic talon
Sydonians have stilts for tradition reasons that’s it
The mini itself is goofy
It should have had reverse joints
storm jungle
Yeah the makers were absolutely aware when they made it
arctic talon
Like the other skitarii stuff
storm jungle
its why its great
arctic talon
lol
surreal nest
I've decided, we should taze admech fans
arctic talon
I wish they had reverse joints
arctic talon
I've decided, we should taze admech fans
Why are you like this smh
surreal nest
god forbid i spread love and shock currents
arctic talon
Look
I’m fine with getting shocked in some contexts
Okay
Tasers scare me though smh
queen laurel
I've decided, we should taze admech fans
Granted but you have to stay in the Garth ennis room
craggy ginkgo
Just try tazing us, we will make the next couple months of tournaments unplayable for everyone
arctic talon
Just try tazing us, we will make the next couple months of tournaments unplayabl...
Cawl is getting nerfed 💀
And prolly like
Half the fucking army
lol
craggy ginkgo
Cawl is getting nerfed 💀
Honestly cawls not the problem
craggy ginkgo
Oh absolutely
craggy ginkgo
Shits too cheap and our killing power is too shit, so we gotta put everyone into dumb baby sicarian jail to win on points
behold, the most ass strategy
arctic talon
Lowkey I liked the army more preslate
When it was mid as fuck but the whole book was good(except planes)
arctic talon
we can start with Elite
What have I ever done to you 
arctic talon
craggy ginkgo
Lowkey I liked the army more preslate
I just dont like the army rules at all in 10th. The army rule is fuckin dumb
arctic talon
The army rule is fucking dumb
lol
GW got it right in 8th for admech
Imo
Armies only having one army rule is lame and is honestly a failure
craggy ginkgo
Didnt play then, but uhhh looks better than how they clusterfucked us
arctic talon
Literally every army suffers from it lol
rose thorn
"Admech lore is so deep bro"
The admech lore in question ⬆️
average imperium lore compared to average xeno lore
arctic talon
Didnt play then, but uhhh looks better than how they clusterfucked us
It was just canticles being universal
craggy ginkgo
It was just canticles being universal
universal in what sense
arctic talon
universal in what sense
Whole army used them as the army rule
rose thorn
who ever does the xeno codex lore fucking love xenos
arctic talon
Rather then you needing to pick Mars for it in 9e
craggy ginkgo
Oh like in 9th?
craggy ginkgo
Wait you had to pick mars for them in 9th?
rose thorn
after reading all of the gsc codexes i m pretty sure there is almost no repeat lore outside of the known cults of the ordo xeno
arctic talon
Because it made the army feel properly cohesive
arctic talon
after reading all of the gsc codexes i m pretty sure there is almost no repeat l...
There’s the repeat baseline description of each cult
rose thorn
which its kinda crazy that the ordo xeno only documented like, 7 cults?
rose thorn
There’s the repeat baseline description of each cult
I LITERALLY SAID TAHTTTT
arctic talon
I’m fucking stupid
rose thorn
lmao
arctic talon
💀
But yeah there’s like
A few things I like about 10e
But most of it is bleh to me
Also AoS being the only one of GW’s major systems rn to have multiple army rules per army
Is cursed
craggy ginkgo
10e is nice in how it simplified some stuff, but uh, simplifying the COMPLICATED by nature army was a braindead idea
arctic talon
Just
Bring back multiple army rules
Look at the clusterfuck that is the SoB or drukhari codex
lol
craggy ginkgo
most detachments are bad
do yall got anything as bad as the explorator maniple in your army?
rose thorn
LMAO
rose thorn
do yall got anything as bad as the explorator maniple in your army?
in gsc?
arctic talon
do yall got anything as bad as the explorator maniple in your army?
Gsc got a real fucking bad one
I forgot its name
But explorator is worse
Explorator is def the worst detachment in the game
But the gsc one focused on the uh
I forgot which unit
Shit
rose thorn
I forgot which one of the gsc detachments was unplayable dogshit
hang on ill check
arctic talon
Also the irony of GW removing multiple army rules
Is that it hurt the poster children a ton lol
rose thorn
host of the ascension WAS good but since the rewokr its REALLY REALLY bad
arctic talon
Marines had like 4 fucking army rules for a reason lol
rose thorn
i aghve no clue how good xenocreed is now since the 5th rework
craggy ginkgo
Marines had like 4 fucking army rules for a reason lol
Doesnt stop them from still being fuckin broken
arctic talon
Drukhari needing to take a specific detachment for combat drugs on wych’s is foul lol
arctic talon
Doesnt stop them from still being fuckin broken
Marines are like Russian roulette
lol
5/6 times they’re bad/mid
1/6 times you blow your brains out playing against them
craggy ginkgo
Marines are like Russian roulette
unless you run robot gillsman
rose thorn
I forgot which one of the gsc detachments was unplayable dogshit
what cult was it copying
there is liek a 20% chance we get bladed cog this grotmas
which will likley be utter utter dogshit
arctic talon
Nvm I took a look
Why are all of Gsc’s detachments good now
Custodes and GSC got thrown a bone I guess
rose thorn
Why are all of Gsc’s detachments good now
host of teh ascension is our worst one probably
arctic talon
lol
arctic talon
host of teh ascension is our worst one probably
Ironic how it used to be the best
rose thorn
it doenst work with how the army play sat all now
the melee vehicle amry with a shooting detachment rule that you literally cant use for the first round
wait nvm you can reinforce in teh first roudn
oka an army rule you canliterally use like
3 times
at most
rose thorn
Ironic how it used to be the best
ye, its almsot as if it wasnt made with the new rules and playstyle in mind
fervent gull
Can a normal human with a strong will and faith, resist chaos's direct touch?
craggy ginkgo
what do you mean by direct touch
fervent gull
Like a daemon directly trying to corrupt them
vital ginkgo
How does a normal Chapter's epistolary level librarian compare to the average grey knights battle brother in terms of power and capabilities?
craggy ginkgo
Like a daemon directly trying to corrupt them
strongly depends on the daemon. Some can just possess you. Some gotta just try talk you into it
winged jacinth
Depends on the narrative
Usually you need to be strong willed and a psyker to resist a named daemon though
If its already manifested
Psykers get posessed the most still because they're the easiest way to manifest
craggy ginkgo
Chaos gods kind of just instacorrupt you based on vicinity i believe, there was a story of that with Slannesh
craggy ginkgo
Usually you need to be strong willed *and* a psyker to resist a named daemon tho...
Or a blank
fervent gull
I see
craggy ginkgo
Blanks are purely immune to corruption i believe
fervent gull
Thx
winged jacinth
Its not really clear if the gods like... have locatiobs exactly
celest dome
Chaos Gods usually don't go around corrupting stuff personally
craggy ginkgo
Chaos Gods usually don't go around corrupting stuff personally
Yea but there was one story of a guy who went to fight slannesh, resisted all the way there but then instantly got corrupted upon meeting them. But that may have been AoS
celest dome
Blank don't lack souls per se
winged jacinth
Well not in the sense of behavior or personality at least
celest dome
Yea but there was one story of a guy who went to fight slannesh, resisted all th...
It is both, but it's more like the dude went toward a Chaos god where they resided
craggy ginkgo
something like that
winged jacinth
But they're either flat or holes in the warp where a normal person is a bulge and a psyker is a mountain (thinking about it like depictions of gravity from relativity)
Its never mechanistically explained for real afaik
Maybe their souls are made from warpstuff's antimatter equivalent who knows
craggy ginkgo
There May have been some implications that blanks actually do lack a soul, or the blank space that functions as their soul might as well be a lack of one, given that whole thing with the Necron anti warp pillars
storm jungle
Its not even implication, they outright dont have souls
winged jacinth
Necron and blank lore goes way back to oldcrons
winged jacinth
They were sick units
storm jungle
100%
winged jacinth
And i don't know why they retconned them
storm jungle
i hate how the entire reason they got removed from the lore was due to tabletop reasons lol
tabletop, as ever
winged jacinth
Ah
celest dome
If Blanks have no souls then we do rocks not cause the same reaction for deamons
storm jungle
but like, they were never really retconned
just NEVER mentioned again
they'll 100% come back at some point
GW loves cashing on old nostalgic ideas
winged jacinth
necron naming the pariah nexus
"Didn't we have something else named this"
"Idk i was busy cleaning the tomb this last 50000 years"
storm jungle
LITERALLY.
storm jungle
How does a normal Chapter's epistolary level librarian compare to the average gr...
Grey Knights would be superior, their entir eexistence is built around psychic mastery and fighting daemons
celest dome
Blanks being soulless is mostly worded as being a theory by the Imperium rather than an outright fact.
winged jacinth
I think librarians might psychically match to regular grey knights but grey knight wargear is silly
craggy ginkgo
If Blanks have no souls then we do rocks not cause the same reaction for deamons
Blanks arent just a lack of a soul, they have a anti soul field. Being next to a strong enough blank can delete your soul.
lament shoal
In order to tide me over (no pun intended) until the next class drops, I have created the Hive Scum at home, in DRG
winged jacinth
Blanks do definitely have a different warp presence than if they just werent there
celest dome
Not delete, will cause pain but nobody even a Psyker will have their soul disappear by being in proximity to a Blank
They have negative warp signature
rose thorn
how did 10th handle blanks anyhow
celest dome
And for the Imperium, they consider that to be the Soul imprint
celest dome
And the Imperium is often wrong
storm jungle
its a satire on how your average warhammer fan has no friends
rose thorn
lmao
storm jungle
celest dome
That's just their smell
storm jungle
I still cant believe that isnt even a meme
celest dome
MtG type of situation
storm jungle
😩
craggy ginkgo
how did 10th handle blanks anyhow
they didnt
crystal forum
https://tenor.com/view/loser-gif-20323618
just like me frfr
how to cosplay as blank:
dont take a shower for 3 weeks
rose thorn
they didnt
lol
winged jacinth
Yeah whatever metric makes you show up in the warp, which may or may not be soulfulness, is increasingly large with psychic ability and increasingly negative with blankitude
They can't test the soul theory in universe because all the great soul musicians have been dead for millenia
crystal forum
terrible pun
storm jungle
winged jacinth
Ben E King was the most powerful psyker of his time
Stand by me is a daemon survival guide
crystal forum
stevie wonder warding off the demons
celest dome
Like there are lore cases of people that have had their soul ripped out, or were born without souls.
Both with Clones, the Ferrymen and those SM chapter that rip their souls out then get possessed and stuff
And they don't necessarily have the Blank stuff
winged jacinth
stevie wonder warding off the demons
Why do you think he was blind? Astropathic binding
crystal forum
Like there are lore cases of people that have had their soul ripped out, or were...
i really dont think blanks just dont have souls
it makes no sense
crystal forum
ok ok nothing makes sense in the warp
crystal forum
but as cacti says there's cases of no souls without being blank
winged jacinth
Souls or minds having a "warp metric" that can be negative makes a lot of sense to me
winged jacinth
Like tau aren't soulless probably
crystal forum
i know that psykers have stronger souls or something
so i think blanks rather have negative souls
counter souls
celest dome
Blackstone also does not have soul, but does stop warp beings
winged jacinth
Like tau aren't soulless probably
But their metric must be close to 0
crystal forum
counter soul: global offensive
winged jacinth
40k doesnt really define a soul besides that you die if someone takes it out and you can do daemon stuff with it afaik?
crystal forum
souls go to the warp after you die, we know that for sure
celest dome
so i think blanks rather have negative souls
It could be like temperature.
If Warp signature are positive temp. and Blanks are negatuve temp.
Then having Blank that are pulling -50, and a Psyker that pull +80 they would still be able they still would be able to do +30.
And you have a lower bound but not a higher bound
crystal forum
i know that blanks also have different levels of strength
trying to avoid power scaling terms
but that might be a dan abnet thing
celest dome
People are ok at 0 Warp.
Blank pull it slightly down, making people uncomfortable, Psyker pull it slightly up, people are alright with that.
But if there is too much warp things happening, then you have people that start to become unconfortable (Peril of the Warps)
crystal forum
People are ok at 0 Warp.
Blank pull it slightly down, making people uncomfortabl...
i think most people have some level of "positive" warp since they can feel blanks
celest dome
It's a spectrum
celest dome
Everything is negative, neutral or positive warp.
Rocks and stuf being neutral, most living things are slightly positive
winged jacinth
And daemons can notice them from the warp etc yeah in my "warp metric" model its like baseline human is 1 psyker is 100 and blanks can be 0 to -100
crystal forum
i think the level of blank does not extend to the level of psykers we have seen
winged jacinth
You can definitely be more blank the way a psyker can be more psychic
crystal forum
there isn't any case of a blank making entire planets immune to warp
winged jacinth
But yes it seems like peak psykers well outscale peak blankhood i just didn't care much about the numbers
crystal forum
or hey maybe strong blanks are just killed very early on because they're so revulsive to people
crystal forum
infanticide even im sure
winged jacinth
"This baby is fucking nasty what the hell"
crystal forum
like the opening of benjamin button
i wonder how extremely strong psykers even make it past childhood
maybe some psykers only start getting full strength later in life
you'd think a baby having a tantrum for an alpha+ would explode an entire hive city
winged jacinth
It might develop with brain maturity yeah, its rare we hear about child psykers outside black ships nabbing them
wary fulcrum
It does but it’s also kind of evil
The Gaunt’s Ghost books have an evil pair of twin child psykers who make an entire ship kill themselved
storm jungle
It does but it’s also kind of evil
The Gaunt’s Ghost books have an evil pair of...
Based
crystal forum
yeah i know of books with kid psykers
winged jacinth
In ravenor it might be abnetics but the one kid is growing in psychic power while hes around
And as an adult hes a goofy strong grey knight i guess?
storm jungle
its not Abnettics its more just general 40k rule for magic
because theres not really any setup limit
wary fulcrum
And as an adult hes a goofy strong grey knight i guess?
Not a bad end for a junkie
storm jungle
its how ahriman for example just does what he wants with psyker shit and suffers literally nothing
crystal forum
do we know who's the strongest psyker in grey knights or are they just all really good
storm jungle
they dont really have a super-psyker character
winged jacinth
Presumably the grandmaster?
storm jungle
Yeah probably that lol, but they are more fighty than wizardy
wary fulcrum
do we know who's the strongest psyker in grey knights or are they just all reall...
They’re all really goo
There’s Draigo and Crowe as standouts amongst standouts
crystal forum
they dont really have a super-psyker character
i just can't think of any grey knight who's better than others at being psyker
storm jungle
i just can't think of any grey knight who's better than others at being psyker
There isnt any really
all they do is swordfight and shit
none of them are super big mages
winged jacinth
The kid from ravenor is a kind of special psyker never mentioned in any other context lol
storm jungle
i in general just hate how space marines are super-psykers so lol
crystal forum
since they just use their psyker stuff to counter demons
crystal forum
i in general just hate how space marines are super-psykers so lol
lol
crystal forum
grey knights indeed are the marie sue faction
winged jacinth
I could see blanks being incompatible with geneseed but yeah i agree
storm jungle
THAT GO TO THROUGH 666 TRIALS
crystal forum
"what if space marines but they all have terminator armour and were all psykers and cool"
storm jungle
I could see blanks being incompatible with geneseed but yeah i agree
Geneseed works on the rule of plot
so its not really any excuse
psyker marines just sound cooler on paper
because they cna cast fireballs
also the Emperor was a psyker so theres that connection
crystal forum
psyker marines just sound cooler on paper
also for tabletop
wary fulcrum
i in general just hate how space marines are super-psykers so lol
There’s a physical toll to being a psyker tbf, so space marines have a limit there
It’s why Ravenor is so good
He has no arms or legs so he doesn’t get tired as much
storm jungle
There’s a physical toll to being a psyker tbf, so space marines have a limit the...
I mean then why are they all still alive
lol
nothing is ever gonna happen to them
theres no "toll"
Its just artificial peril made to make the reader think they might mess up
crystal forum
grey knights dont risk being possessed if they go too far though. they're like immune to demon possession or some shit
wary fulcrum
because they cna cast fireballs
They’re also canonically stronger than Magnus
Like, I ain’t even joking
winged jacinth
Being plugged into support machinery seems like it does juice up a psyker good
wary fulcrum
theres no "toll"
I mean, it’s literally more than 90% of psykers are physically fucked
It’s even a thing in DT which plays fast and loose with aspects of GW’s lore
winged jacinth
grey knights dont risk being possessed if they go too far though. they're like i...
Iirc this has a mary sue explanation too lol
storm jungle
They’re also canonically stronger than Magnus
Like, I ain’t even joking
Magnus cant do shit to anyone so yeah lol
crystal forum
Iirc this has a mary sue explanation too lol
yeah they've all already been possessed or smth
wary fulcrum
grey knights dont risk being possessed if they go too far though. they're like i...
Less immune, more conditioned
winged jacinth
Like intentionally getting posessed and then fighting the daemon off makes you immune i guess
wary fulcrum
Magnus cant do shit to anyone so yeah lol
Exactly! Every cool thing he does as a primarch, others psykers have done better
crystal forum
some dumb "suffering builds character" shit
storm jungle
I mean, it’s literally more than 90% of psykers are physically fucked
It’s even...
Yeah because they arent plot armored characters. Its a thing in Darktide because its what the books also do where no psyker ever suffers any consequence because they got a model on tabletop.
winged jacinth
Which you'd think they'd do more!
near wasp
I'm gonna fucking lose it at work jfc no way somebody is this stupid
storm jungle
Exactly! Every cool thing he does as a primarch, others psykers have done better
Its hilarious because Magnus is like EXTREMELY strong. Like he could wave his hand and you could explode
but he never does this
because then everyone fighting him would die
crystal forum
I'm gonna fucking lose it at work jfc no way somebody is this stupid
dumb coworker or customer
crystal forum
because then everyone fighting him would die
i feel like he barely wants to fight usually
winged jacinth
Yeah magnus literally punched into the webway that's not even supposed to be possible i think
wary fulcrum
Its hilarious because Magnus is like EXTREMELY strong. Like he could wave his ha...
Well, he’s supposed to be able to do it, but he never does, so can he?
He telekinetically drags a ship into a planets orbit
Khayon drags one through the warp
It’s at the point now where Magnus can’t because he doesn’t
near wasp
I just got asked to spell Portland
crystal forum
Bro I feel like I'm talking to a servitor
they probably think you're the stupid one too which is the funny part
wary fulcrum
Yeah magnus literally punched into the webway that's not even supposed to be pos...
Neither is Lorgar rag dolling Magnus’ psychic projection but that happened
storm jungle
Well, he’s supposed to be able to do it, but he never does, so can he?
He telek...
He can. Magic in 40k has no set rules aside from "demons will eat you" but it isnt a problem for canon characters seeing as they'll never die anyway.
crystal forum
dumb people love thinking everyone else is the problem
winged jacinth
He can. Magic in 40k has no set rules aside from "demons will eat you" but it is...
Plus hes a daemon lol
near wasp
crystal forum
even on tabletop, magic is kinda just a few dicerolls
wary fulcrum
He can. Magic in 40k has no set rules aside from "demons will eat you" but it is...
He never does though
Even the random moon Egil Iron Wolf, Magnus has to aim a lascanon at him to kill him
winged jacinth
What's a daemon going to do eat tzeentch's favored prince lol
crystal forum
literally we wouldn't even have the different psyker disciplines if it wasn't for the RPG's
wary fulcrum
If he never does, then how can we say he can?
storm jungle
He never does though
Even the random moon Egil Iron Wolf, Magnus has to aim a l...
He never does because nobody can kill each other lol
like-
wary fulcrum
He threatens the Wolves ship in ATS
In Tome of Fire, Drak’ir solos the entire invasion fleet and wins
storm jungle
if Magnus insta killed some named space wolf people would go mad
"What am i gonna do with his mini now"
lol
wary fulcrum
He never does because nobody can kill each other lol
He killed Egil Iron Wolf in that fight
storm jungle
He killed Egil Iron Wolf in that fight
Yeah
a guy nobody cares about
lol
im talking about actually important characters
crystal forum
wait do chaos psykers even have to deal with perils of the warp
winged jacinth
I think magnus does drag whole planets into the warp
storm jungle
wait do chaos psykers even have to deal with perils of the warp
Kinda
winged jacinth
wait do chaos psykers even have to deal with perils of the warp
Not the ones that are legit blessed i think
near wasp
if Magnus insta killed some named space wolf people would go mad
Lukas
storm jungle
Lukas
YEP
Perfect example
he somehow yaps at Magnus and distracts him so everyone can escape
truly peak intelligence
wary fulcrum
im talking about actually important characters
Right, but he had to use a lascannon to do it, he didn’t just pop Egil
Because he can’t
winged jacinth
Magnus is a Prince so like... what kind of peril can even happen to him
near wasp
I was joking
wary fulcrum
Because Magnus is a buster
crystal forum
Not the ones that are legit blessed i think
great so they can just spam lightning bolt
near wasp
Wait does this actually happen
storm jungle
Right, but he had to use a lascannon to do it, he didn’t just pop Egil
I mean again he cant because we need artificial tension
if this was real life magnus would just pop him instantly
because hes below par with the Emperor lol
winged jacinth
Lascannons are fun too i bet
crystal forum
you know, the funny part about emp being the strongest psyker in the galaxy is that we never even see him do shit that strong psykers do except for the trickery and sitting on the golden throne
near wasp
I was just saying it'd be funny for Magnus to insta Lukas and get trapped for it
storm jungle
this is the same as how no strong character in a fight doesnt just grab the protagonist and snap their neck, because then the fight is over in 5s and the entire story goes to the shitter
no he just always has to toss the maround
and buy them tight so they can attack him
lmao
winged jacinth
Yeah the emperor might be the least feated psyker lol
wary fulcrum
because hes below par with the Emperor lol
He’s supposed to be
Yet we have a half dozen examples where he gets outperformed by others
winged jacinth
Hes really shiny in the warp
storm jungle
He’s supposed to be
Yet we have a half dozen examples where he gets outperforme...
Yeah because
again
he just doesnt
because hes the antagonist lol
Magnus and the Thousand Sons are essentially the eldar of chaos, all they do is take Ls
crystal forum
Yeah the emperor might be the least feated psyker lol
we just know he's strong from sitting on the golden throne which killed malcador in like a few hours or smth
wary fulcrum
He was one of the protagonists of A Thousand Sons
crystal forum
but like we never see the emp crushing an entire planet into dust
storm jungle
im aware of these, i read his books, this is why im saying this stuff lol
near wasp
Magnus can't do anything right
winged jacinth
Magnus is cursed with poor decision making and now 0 depth perception
near wasp
He's a nerd you can easily punch
wary fulcrum
and still lost
Exactly!
The writers are doing a terrible job with Magnus because he’s been outperformed
So he’s ’supposed to’ be a fantastic psyker
Yet according to actual feats, he’s not even the most powerful in his legion
winged jacinth
What if he never psychics people because he can't tell how far away they are
crystal forum
when you think about it, wouldn't the emperor have been able to unify earth on his own without help from anybody
storm jungle
Exactly!
The writers are doing a terrible job with Magnus because he’s been out...
That is the fate of Heels
you show up to get hit by a folding chair
storm jungle
when you think about it, wouldn't the emperor have been able to unify earth on h...
Basically yeah
but we need big war
and big guns
near wasp
Never get over the belakor with a steel chair
wary fulcrum
That is the fate of Heels
So we can’t say he’s the most powerful psyker second only to the Emperor
Because Eisenhorn and Ravenor have duked on him
crystal forum
making golden muscly bodyguards for his "protection"
storm jungle
So we can’t say he’s the most powerful psyker second only to the Emperor
Becaus...
Idk man some of his feats are pretty ridiculous lol
wary fulcrum
Angron and Modtarion are physically stronger than Magnus is psychically
storm jungle
also to return to the original point
theres no set rule for magic powers in 40k
any super-psyker can just do anything
ala Magnus, Emperor and Malcador etc
same with Ahriman and so on
winged jacinth
Eldrad 
crystal forum
it's kinda funny how top tier psykers just ignore the concept of psyker disciplines and just melt you into pudding
storm jungle
you just gotta create the illusion that they are under duress by "OH NO DEMONS MIGHT EAT ME"
Nothing happens
storm jungle
it's kinda funny how top tier psykers just ignore the concept of psyker discipli...
thats if youa re some unimportant character
if its someone with a big tabletop presence and model they just never do that
wary fulcrum
you just gotta create the illusion that they are under duress by "OH NO DEMONS M...
Same with Primaris Rubicon
33% survival rate
Grimnar
Dante
Calgar
storm jungle
Like Magnus could literally take a literal mountain top and drop it on someone but always has to get deflected
near wasp
Psykout grenade goes brrrrrr
storm jungle
Same with Primaris Rubicon
33% survival rate
Grimnar
Dante
Calgar
Yep. Again just pointless tension
winged jacinth
you just gotta create the illusion that they are under duress by "OH NO DEMONS M...
I think the only person i can remember actually getting perilsed is a random sanctioned in gaunts ghosts during a seige
crystal forum
i wish psykers had the depth that magic does in aos
storm jungle
I think the only person i can remember actually getting perilsed is a random san...
yeah thats just a normal book character
wary fulcrum
Like Magnus could literally take a literal mountain top and drop it on someone b...
You say that, but he has to wrestle with the Ork stompas rather than just turning them off, or crushing them
storm jungle
You say that, but he has to wrestle with the Ork stompas rather than just turnin...
I mean yeah because again
wary fulcrum
Nah, that’s a cop out
storm jungle
if a superpowered guy just did all these without restrictions its boring
this isnt that hard to get
crystal forum
I think the only person i can remember actually getting perilsed is a random san...
there's also uh kyril sinderman in one of the opening HH books i think?
i think that's what happened when he opens the book
winged jacinth
The rubicon failure rate is presumably just to give a justification for any marine at all not undergoing it
storm jungle
its like how Omniman just wipes out that entire alien planet by flying around at high speeds. No one would do this in 40k because then why am i reading this conflict if its over in 10s
crystal forum
its like how Omniman just wipes out that entire alien planet by flying around at...
i imagine that's what great crusade books would be
storm jungle
Ikr
crystal forum
"and we killed this entire planet with our fucking thick cheeks"
basically just the first HH book
storm jungle
its kinda how if this wasnt a tabletop game the Emperor would just use super-mind-magic and convince anyone to join him, because authors make up psychic feats for him out of nowhere on the fly
but we need big guys in armor so lol
wary fulcrum
its kinda how if this wasnt a tabletop game the Emperor would just use super-min...
Well that stuff does wear off eventually
crystal forum
i can't wait for the siege of terra campaign in HH tabletop to have the emp model so we can powerscale him even more
storm jungle
Well that stuff does wear off eventually
We got examples of entire systems being controlled by super-psyker aliens written for a oneoff entry
wary fulcrum
So the goal. Would be to get them in the prison camps BEFOTE it wears off
storm jungle
there isnt really any excuse the writers dont wanna bother with
storm jungle
always the same conclusions
this is what you get when your entire setting has been reduced to Marvel/MCU slop
wary fulcrum
this is what you get when your entire setting has been reduced to Marvel/MCU slo...
That’s because the HH series was a mistake
crystal forum
We got examples of entire systems being controlled by super-psyker aliens writte...
i fucking love when an author just makes up a crazy powerful psyker for the story. that means it will actually die at the end instead of escaping to tabletop
storm jungle
That’s because the HH series was a mistake
LMAO
storm jungle
i fucking love when an author just makes up a crazy powerful psyker for the stor...
one of the most hilarious entries ever i think
crystal forum
That’s because the HH series was a mistake
finally a new lore chat person who i agree with
storm jungle
The Cacodominus was the name given to an extremely powerful alien-cyborg Psyker who was behind The Howling in M34. The Cacodomius' powers were such that it was able to exert complete control over an area of 1,300 planetary systems. Eventually, it was slain by the Black Templars, but the resulting backlash distorted the signal of the Astronomican and burnt out billions of Astropaths across the Imperium. The resulting anarchy from the events resulted in millions of ships being lost and entire Sub-Sectors descending into barbarism.[2]
KEK
wary fulcrum
finally a new lore chat person who i agree with
Don’t get me wrong, it could have been cool, but explaining every facet, opening every door?
Just bleh
I legit have a theory that up until A Thousand Soms, the series flipped from great books with a few duds, to dud books with a few greats
crystal forum
this is what you get when your entire setting has been reduced to Marvel/MCU slo...
i always have to inform people that dan abnet is a marvel writer
wary fulcrum
i always have to inform people that dan abnet is a marvel writer
2000ad writer first
storm jungle
it makes SO MUCH sense when you know that and read his stuff
wary fulcrum
Don’t forget, Eisenhorn originally had a light saber
wary fulcrum
he's done EVERYTHING
And Mr Men
storm jungle
dude
crystal forum
i have no clue why some writers just appear everywhere
storm jungle
i was playing Alien Isolation the other day
AND HE WAS IN THE OPENING CREDITS
british man jumpscare
storm jungle
Yeah hes just nuts
no wonder it takes him forever to write anything
mfer is constantly on sidequests
crystal forum
idk if he has a lot of connections or if he's just really proficient
storm jungle
Connections and people simply just wanting him
im 90% sure most of these jobs are tihngs hes hired for
crystal forum
many writers would kill just to have one of his contracts
storm jungle
for real
crystal forum
im 90% sure most of these jobs are tihngs hes *hired* for
he's good at making stuff that nerds enjoy that's for sure
wary fulcrum
I just want him to finish the Bequin trilogy already
near wasp
Lol
storm jungle
Its already written according to him. We are just waiting on some shit from GW.
wary fulcrum
It’s like a week across the two books and its years between releases
wary fulcrum
Its already written according to him. We are just waiting on some shit from GW.
Yeah I’d heard that, and based on how the second one ended I can believe it tbh
near wasp
I'm gonna break into GW headquarts just to leave a sticky note for "watchers of the throne part 3"
wary fulcrum
I know Joe Abercrombie and I think JSA Corey do batches and release them over X amount of time and I think it’s a method I much prefer
wary fulcrum
basically "its out of my hands"
Yeah I get that, I just chalk it up to another GW decision that makes me really wish I was a fly on the wall for their offices to see what goes on
storm jungle
Yeah I get that, I just chalk it up to another GW decision that makes me really ...
Yeah its prob another classic corporate thing, we'll get it at some point. At least its not in eternal "will it ever get released" limbo
valid needle
> The Cacodominus was the name given to an extremely powerful alien-cyborg Psyke...
Homie had to bring up how muh Black Templars lost their librarians.
storm jungle
Homie had to bring up how muh Black Templars lost their librarians.
More that its a hilarious excerpt tbh
rose thorn
people are sying this is a ciites of sigmar leak
languid meadow
I can kind of see it
but it could also just be a mounted weapon on something else
storm jungle
It has chainmail
crystal forum
it's clearly a turret
crystal forum
guy holding a mounted gun
storm jungle
NEVER
languid meadow
honestly I prefer these leaks over the 40k ones because at least we get to go insane looking at them trying to figure it out
it's def a guy using a mounted pepperbox weapon
wary fulcrum
Heavily plate mail armoured guy
So clearly it’s Necromunda
Which is a chest really because EMIANM
crystal forum
i dont know any gun in 40k that looks like that
near wasp
Aos tank maybe
crystal forum
but could be some weird chaos minigun
near wasp
Be a bunch of guns tied together cause it doesn't look like a rotary cannon
crystal forum
yeah and i know them all
especially the big ones
if it's imperial i probably know what gun it would be
near wasp
This is peak Warhammer trying to guess a model based on 5 blurry pixels
arctic talon
people are sying this is a ciites of sigmar leak
Feels fantasy
Or AoS
It’s one of those 2
plush mason
> The Cacodominus was the name given to an extremely powerful alien-cyborg Psyke...
it been what, over 6k years and the black templars still dont have any psykers? funny as hell to me
hollow lantern
Hey, for the deep lore nerds here, what are the mountain sized aux units Tau have that get alluded to in lore but don't have art? I think they have a name and description and that's it. Please and thank you.
Nvm, found em
Vorgh
near wasp
it been what, over 6k years and the black templars still dont have any psykers? ...
The witch is an abomination
Probably thought oh all our psykers are dead good riddance
plush mason
The witch is an abomination
just copium for getting their psykic ability neutered by a xeno's death scream
no joke afaik the canon view of it is "oh no this is actually a major problem but it must be the emperor's will"
so the whole chapter is just huffing copium that one day the emperor will give them their libarians back
storm jungle
Hey, for the deep lore nerds here, what are the mountain sized aux units Tau hav...
Literally all we know about them.
Basically just a classic throwaway "cool codex bit"
hollow lantern
Literally all we know about them.
Ik, I mentioned them saying "GW loves to tell us about cool stuff and not show us" and someone wanted a lore line
storm jungle
Ik, I mentioned them saying "GW loves to tell us about cool stuff and not show u...
Tbh thats kinda on purpose
these are made to fire up your brain to come up with ideas for your armies/homebrew.
hollow lantern
It is tbh my single least favorite part of the setting, purposeful or not
It feels cheap
storm jungle
Its very much purposeful, you are suppose to read that and just either go "Oh thats neat" or "Damn now I wanna make my own auxillary alien species"
arctic talon
It helps make the world bigger
storm jungle
there isnt anything bad with this
hollow lantern
I'm a show don't tell person
opaque coyote
AKA, the guy who constantly sounds like he's on weed
storm jungle
yeah that
plush mason
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Vorgh_(Xenos_Species)
by super heavy walker does that mean titan?
hollow lantern
I don't care what you're telling me if you aren't willing to show me it
storm jungle
by super heavy walker does that mean titan?
any really
arctic talon
I'm a show don't tell person
Unfortunately you will need to deal with codexes telling you stuff lol
opaque coyote
AKA, the guy who constantly sounds like he's on weed
Still pretty chill tho
vital ginkgo
Are there any thunder warriors still alive that we know of in m42
storm jungle
All dead.
hollow lantern
Unfortunately you will need to deal with codexes telling you stuff lol
I'm painfully aware
storm jungle
they were extremely unstable
arctic talon
by super heavy walker does that mean titan?
Between knight and warhound sized
Based on the codex entry
hollow lantern
Its part of why I gravitated out of warhammer for the most part
arctic talon
I’m ngl
The only way GW could do show not tell to the same degree
Is with a fuck ton of art
lol
hollow lantern
I get that, but i want a fuckton of art
arctic talon
Or just filling every page with lore like old times
That’s still telling to Tongs
I’d assume
Not showing
storm jungle
That’s still telling to Tongs
I like reading 💀
hollow lantern
Tbh man, I would be more cool if they told us stuff with depth in multiple paragraphs than 2 throwaway lines
storm jungle
Im literally reading the 5th dark eldar codex now to come up with homebrew lore for my kabal, and ive literally written 5 pages of shit rn and still going, that kinda goes to show how good these rulebooks are lol
storm jungle
You kinda do
arctic talon
I mean they do
hollow lantern
Not just go "yeah they can 1v1 super walkers"
arctic talon
The whole thing is writing about them in action
arctic talon
Not just go "yeah they can 1v1 super walkers"
They don’t say that
storm jungle
Example
opaque coyote
Are there any thunder warriors still alive that we know of in m42
There's one stuck in ice in Trazyn's collection
But that was only a cameo in an episode of Hammer and Bolter. So it is dubious in canon.
But it's still funny.
Besides that, like Dilara and Elite Wolf said.
All dead, they only lived for like a couple of decades, and at least half of their lifespans had them start getting a lot of tumors and insanity
hollow lantern
Is HnB not like, directly canon?
storm jungle
Yeah.
arctic talon
It’s canon
storm jungle
Anything made by GW is canon.
opaque coyote
why do people say this 💀
Probably because that is it's only appearance and in every other type of media, usually a cameo like this would be considered dubious?
plush mason
its not dubious, its canon
plus him being in Trazyn's vault doesnt really count as being alive imo
vital ginkgo
Anything made by GW is canon.
Not HnB
storm jungle
Probably because that is it's only appearance and in every other type of media, ...
If it has the GW copyright logos plastered over it in the intro and credit segments its completely canon.
vital ginkgo
I don't like it
plush mason
unless GW says it isnt canon it is
arctic talon
The lore in the tau codex on the vorgh has them beating the shit out of a knight and fighting a titan
storm jungle
unless GW says it isnt canon it is
^
arctic talon
And also the stuff on their culture
storm jungle
and once again reminder
arctic talon
But aside from that meh
storm jungle
GW only ever outright deleted like 4 books in the entire setting
and like the entire indomitus fuckup
thats it
lol
arctic talon
and like the entire indomitus fuckup
GW forgor fleshy humans would age
hollow lantern
The lore in the tau codex on the vorgh has them beating the shit out of a knight...
Is there an easily accessible excerpt somewhere?
vital ginkgo
GW only ever outright deleted like 4 books in the entire setting
Which books were those?
opaque coyote
If it has the GW copyright logos plastered over it in the intro and credit segme...
Been through too many types of media where there's layers of canonicity depending on what type of media...
arctic talon
Is there an easily accessible excerpt somewhere?
No unfortunately, let me try to nab it for you though
One moment
vital ginkgo
The lost primarch books
hollow lantern
Have they said anything about Yarrick again or is he still in limbo?
Speaking of fleshy humans aging
hollow lantern
Thought so, thanks
storm jungle
Which books were those?
All 3 books by Ian Watson because they just werent what they imagined 40k as at the time.
And finally Farseer book which got retconned even tho its an amazing novel due to it having a weapon that could kill Slaanesh. Which umm ironic now.
arctic talon
I’m 99% sure he’s still alive
arctic talon
All 3 books by Ian Watson because they just werent what they imagined 40k as at ...
Also the soulstone shit
hollow lantern
I refuse to believe they'd kill Yarrick off screen
arctic talon
Also what’s his name
hollow lantern
Ime anyway
storm jungle
so i agree lol
arctic talon
Yarrick is pretty iconic tbh
plush mason
yeah them killing Yarrick off screne is almost as unlikely as them doing that to Dante
storm jungle
Have they said anything about Yarrick again or is he still in limbo?
This is his official """death""" report. If you take even a 1 minute read you can tell it literally covers up EVERYTHING.
Like this entire text is uh
"Trust me bro hes totally dead"
lmao
storm jungle
I love how the top is just REDACTED
hollow lantern
"This is a cover up for a new model hype release"
arctic talon
Anyways corsairs vs corsairs
Is what I’m interested in
Also please for the love of god let chaos lose in one of the campaign books
storm jungle
No.
arctic talon
They’ve not lost a single one
storm jungle
arctic talon
You will die your your sins
arctic talon
I don’t even give a shit about the imperium losing
I just want chaos to lose
To xenos
storm jungle
ok general hux
arctic talon
storm jungle
GETOU-
arctic talon
Die
hollow lantern
Tbh
arctic talon
Stub your toe
storm jungle
arctic talon
Xenos do win
storm jungle
Same
storm jungle
when lol
hollow lantern
I'm still pissed about Octarius
arctic talon
Why
hollow lantern
Set up a watch fort there narratively
Use it to release krieg and BT models
It was like the cool watch fort too
arctic talon
when lol
Octarius, Nachmund(Deldar), Pariah Nexus(crons)
Okay but they won against the imperium as well
Smh
storm jungle
Octarius, Nachmund(Deldar), Pariah Nexus(crons)
Bruh are you kidding me
storm jungle
- Nachmund means jackshit, Dark Eldar are a non-factor that just come to raid and leave, they dont dictate the entire campaign
- Pariah Nexus bitch please its crons fighting crons
arctic talon
chalnath
wary fulcrum
All 3 books by Ian Watson because they just werent what they imagined 40k as at ...
Henry Zhou’s stuff too
Because of the plagiarism
storm jungle
^
hollow lantern
I assume we already mentioned CS Goto
arctic talon
Also you said you wanted xenos wins I am listing them out dilara smh
storm jungle
DIE
plush mason
And broke the cordon
what was the name of that shrine world that went all "there is no xenos invasion the administorum is just trying to take over the planet" during that big nid invasion
arctic talon
what was the name of that shrine world that went all "there is no xenos invasion...
It’s a 10e core rulebook lore blurb
I forgor the name
wary fulcrum
Not retconned, outright deleted, won’t find them or any mention of anything it then again
Full GW obliteration
Only stuff that got reused was the art
arctic talon
Also Octarius literally is a fucking Nid win over the imperium and orks
storm jungle
Oh my god SHUT UP
arctic talon
You can’t fucking run from it
arctic talon
Not retconned, outright deleted, won’t find them or any mention of anything it t...
The warband is still around
storm jungle
arctic talon
lol
hollow lantern
Is it impossible for us to get an Inquisitorial Stormtroopers style cosmetic for DT cause GW doesn't support the aesthetic anymore btw?
arctic talon
Mfer is picking the most obtuse examples
Mf’er you’re the one ignoring any actual example I give and coming up with a reason why it doesn’t count
hollow lantern
Should I give up hope for that one
storm jungle
Is it impossible for us to get an Inquisitorial Stormtroopers style cosmetic for...
Yeah im sorry uh
arctic talon
Is it impossible for us to get an Inquisitorial Stormtroopers style cosmetic for...
Highly unlikely
lol
hollow lantern
the Inqui Stormtroopers got sent to the shadowrealm thanks to the Scions
They looked better
storm jungle
because uhhh in the Inquisition codex reveal they literally fucking-
paitned scions in inquisition colors
i wa slike
"Its joever"
💀
rocky gale
people are sying this is a ciites of sigmar leak
What am I looking at
arctic talon
because uhhh in the Inquisition codex reveal they literally fucking-
The Killteam
lol
Not the codex
storm jungle
The Killteam
Gay as hell
storm jungle
Not the codex
SHUT UP
arctic talon
Scions aren’t even in imperial agents
hollow lantern
I'll stop holding out hope for that one
arctic talon
Yeah there it is lol
hollow lantern
Im sorrry homie. Its over
This looks awful as a scheme I'm ngl
wary fulcrum
The warband is still around
I’d be surprised where because I know writers who were told explicitly no, they’re persona non-grata and nothing from those three is to be used
storm jungle
I got like almost all their art
arctic talon
I’d be surprised where because I know writers who were told explicitly no, they’...
They’re just listed in the list of generic warbands
arctic talon
They were so cool lmfao
Maybe someday lol
hollow lantern
Something about Inq Stormies felt gritty
They were loaded to the brim with nades and ammo
storm jungle
its because they are very bulky and tactical
hollow lantern
I love em
winged jacinth
yeah they were like, operators instead of regular army
arctic talon
It seems “tactical”
hollow lantern
I love tacticool
winged jacinth
scion kit looks too ornate and like it relies on immediate supply lines
arctic talon
Scions are meant to be fancy nerds
arctic talon
Which is intentional
storm jungle
Please, by all means
hollow lantern
Oh hell yeah I didn't have like 3 of these
storm jungle
winged jacinth
exactly, hence not liking them being used for stormtroopers
storm jungle
LET THEM COOK
storm jungle
also shoutout to the HECU Stormtroopers on the last pic
arctic talon
Dark heresy?
ebon escarp
I like the wych one
storm jungle
Dark heresy?
one of the FF ones yeah
hollow lantern
Inq Stormies might be one of my favorite aesthetics 40k ever had
arctic talon
Bro is about to get a lot more then that cut up
hollow lantern
And they died for scions
arctic talon
And they died for scions
They died for kasrkin
Lol
They got discontinued when kasrkin came out
hollow lantern
They died for kasrkin
And then Kasrkin died to a missing mold iirc
wary fulcrum
They’re just listed in the list of generic warbands
Isn’t that made from the cursed founding list from the noughties though?
I mentioned it to a couple of writers at WHW and the air got sucked out the room when I brought it up
arctic talon
Probably tbh
hollow lantern
Tbh dying for Kasrkin is even worse
arctic talon
And then Kasrkin died to a missing mold iirc
Stolen mold which is even more absurd
Did you know the original kasrkin molds
Showed up on eBay in like
2023
Like I’m not fucking with you
hollow lantern
Did anyone buy them?
arctic talon
Yeah someone did
hollow lantern
Wonder where they are now
storm jungle
LOL
arctic talon
Also some recasters had suspiciously good recasts
Of the old kasrkin lol
So do what you will with this info
arctic talon
Tbh dying for Kasrkin is even worse
unique inqusitorial unit not tied to the guard
gets replaced by a cadian
What did GW mean by this
storm jungle
even more hilarious now
hollow lantern
It kinda actually gets under my skin how many like "human"(not sm, not power armor, not augged) factions have died for fucking cadia
storm jungle
It kinda actually gets under my skin how many like "human"(not sm, not power arm...
Its hilarious because like
Cadians are literally fucking Agent Smith now
ASSIMILATED
hollow lantern
Yup
arctic talon
Do you think GW regrets the 3e guard codex
Where they said cadian armor is the standard
lol
opaque coyote
All 3 books by Ian Watson because they just werent what they imagined 40k as at ...
The only Eldar novel decanonized is a good one
Life is truly unfair
storm jungle
The only Eldar novel decanonized is a good one
Life is truly unfair
Theres Valedor which is good
arctic talon
The only Eldar novel decanonized is a good one
Life is truly unfair
valedor
Someone kill Laati
storm jungle
also Voidscarred which is great as well
hollow lantern
Prolly not
I think if anything irs beneficial for them to only have to print one guard model style
queen laurel
Someone kill Laati
I got you homie
arctic talon
I think if anything irs beneficial for them to only have to print one guard mode...
Well they cast 3 now
queen laurel
@opaque coyote come here for a second
arctic talon
Catachan
storm jungle
^
hollow lantern
They
storm jungle
KEK
hollow lantern
They made new Catachans?
storm jungle
WITH THEIR OLD ASS MINIS FROM 1880
arctic talon
Or the grave
hollow lantern
Oh, slated, alright
hollow lantern
Ik we get Catachan one offs
wary fulcrum
Where they said cadian armor is the standard
Nah. Makes it easier for them
Same as Ultras being the standard (before the sculpted U’s everywhere)
One release can fit to 15 armies
arctic talon
Ripper Jackson and the colonel
storm jungle
they still use those fucking minis from 1891
hollow lantern
Yes.
arctic talon
Didn’t recognize you with that name and pfp
arctic talon
New layer of skin always feels nice
opaque coyote
>valedor
I know that Valedor exists, it's just that Eldar novels are well known for being mid most of the TIIIIII-
hollow lantern
arctic talon
I know that Valedor exists, it's just that Eldar novels are well known for being...
The fact you don’t consider it good makes it a sin smh
storm jungle
They are fine
opaque coyote
It's just that good Eldar novels are rare
storm jungle
Me as an ancient warrior dying from wooden splinters
arctic talon
Fine aside from Thrope doing stuff
storm jungle
fuck off thorpe
arctic talon
fuck off thorpe
Thrope should give us a 10 hour long audio book on the most mundane shit ever in 40k
And I’d prolly listen to it
storm jungle
HE LITERALLY WROTE MODERN ELDAR LORE TOO