40k-lore-chat

[burnt maple]

With orks it was orks betraying... Only because they expeccted humans to betray them... So sad.

And humans actually wanted to go their own way xD

"Enemy of my enemy" I believe the book is called.

[surreal nest]

is this not just the same thing as like using a poison tipped blade in a duel or some shit

[lament shoal]

Evil imperium be like:

[surreal nest]

firing off rounds one so happens to hit somebody in a non fatal spot but now they have radiation poisoning

[lament shoal]

Plus its also useful for big beefy targets that can't be killed by simply shooting it a few times

[rose thorn]

blades that hold poison are deisgned to hold poison better for longer amoutns of time

[surreal nest]

Thats cool

[celest cedar]

https://fxtwitter.com/SpaceShark24/status/1983279573451321429?s=19

Sharky (clone) (@SpaceShark24)

Dramatic reenactment

Quoting Sharky (clone) (@SpaceShark24)
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Grabbin some food while I can. Already beat up 6 dudes and a woman in here

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[young pecan]

Even the former can easily get you killed

Almost regardless of how much influence you have too

[opaque coyote]

Ngl

In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium

...

Waffle House would definitely still exist

And knowing 40k, it would likely be the only fucking restaurant for anybody that isn't a noble

So it'd be even more crowded and filled with even more...

wonderful people

who are probably drunk and/or stoned out of their minds

Good thing that if you're there, similar to the actual waffle house

You probably have more amasec in your system than a plague marine has maggots

So you wouldn't even be able to discern that the food is shit in the first place!

[rose thorn]

welp time ot steal lroe from conspiracy theroies

omfg im so stupid i just realized th rusted claw are litearllyin prisoner jump suits

probably iwll do a third person limited writing since that seems to be what the gsc codexes do

okay img onan type out a little paragaph for the history of the cult

The planet was originally a feral planet near the baal system with a good number of tribes which all did some sort of blood rituals. once the IoM decided to colonize it someone got into an accident and one of the tribe members near by did a blood transfusion and the colonist survived. a Magos Biologis decided to test teh blood of a bunch of tribe members and foudn out most if not all the natives to the planet had O negative blood. The native population was then forced into a eugenics program to ensure the entire planet's future lower class will then have exclusively O- blood. Eventually the entire planet became a blood farm and a genestealer found it's way onto the planet and the cult formed.

obviouslyt he cult believes they have the blood of the gods within them

the planet's primary export is blood for all kinds of medical and ritual needs

[outer wave]

Yeah my redditor status is pretty cool 😎

[raven stone]

Dumb lore question.
So we know Cadians have purple eyes from the whole Warp thing.
(1) Is that exclusive to Cadians only?
(2) If yes, can they pass it to non-Cadians somehow via genetics or no?

[arctic talon]

It’s from anyone around the eye of terror, and it’s not genetic

@storm jungle do you have any stuff on tau labor camps and forced labor aside from warzone Damocles

[raven stone]

Ok thanks. Deciding on feasibility of having a purple-eyed Rogue Trader, but since she is highly unlikely to be from that region, likely going to stick with “realistic” eye colours lol.

[arctic talon]

Tbh

There’s a chance with the great rift open

It can happen around planets close to it

But we just don’t know

[sacred ginkgo]

Could fudge it and say it happens based off any high environmental exposure to the warp

Anywhere where the veil is real thin

[rose thorn]

Suprised Cadia didn’t have more cults than it did

[lament shoal]

LMFAO

[rose thorn]

It’s true

[outer wave]

I wanna be him when I grow up

[rose thorn]

I know just the guy…

[arctic talon]

This is just a med student

[outer wave]

Hooray!!!

[rose thorn]

I love the comedic lil guy with the bathtub potion lmao

[vagrant fox]

There's something about it in one of the Deathwatch novels isn't there

[lament shoal]

He's a little helper

[nocturne crest]

Can this guy use his staff to inject chemicals into someone, or it like a prop?

[lament shoal]

Sir, a second v-tuber has hit fox news

[rose thorn]

yes lmao

[nocturne crest]

Cool.

I wonder if anyone has done a breaking bad themed gsc before.

[rose thorn]

there is a few drug cartel gscs

[nocturne crest]

https://tenor.com/view/my-favorite-superman-super-homem-comic-panel-comic-gif-13399640615397087420

[crystal forum]

i wonder if v-tubers are like the modern day equivalent of actors who always played a bit with a fake persona and nobody knew their real personality

because nobody knows what v-tubers look like which is kinda like a mask

[celest cedar]

huh why are they in FOX

[young pecan]

Fun fact, FOX was sued for misinformation that was so bad, they were forced to legally call themselves entertainment rather than news in court

[shadow plover]

Didn't they also get away with that explanation

[urban spire]

alright we need more lore

who would win, samus or space marnie?

[young pecan]

Yes.

[young pecan]

Samus probably has more plot armor

[arctic talon]

Samus being around in 40K still randomly possessing cultists is funny as shit

[urban spire]

what in the world does that mean?

[arctic talon]

The fact Samus is still around and spends his time possessing random chaos cultists is funny

[urban spire]

oh, a different samus

[shadow plover]

Which one of you is talking about the daemon Samus and which one is talking about the Metroid Samus

[urban spire]

literally impossible to say

[celest dome]

Samus could defeat Samus

[crystal forum]

holy shit mamdani won

first american W in a while

[misty vector]

Woke is back

[storm jungle]

But the news told me hes a terrorist, this cant be… 😔

[west pendant]

are there anime waifus in 40k lore?

[celest dome]

Deamonettes ?

[celest dome]

Me or that guy

[shadow plover]

Him mainly but you as well for indulging

[lament shoal]

No but there's cat girls

[west pendant]

how come some people get like millions of dollars and other people cant even afford to reach the end of the month

so unjust

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[west pendant]

are there really?

[lament shoal]

Yes

[shadow plover]

they're not what you think they are

also very very obscure lore

[valid needle]

We all know why

[valid needle]

Samus is here

[storm jungle]

Watch out guys

Samus is the guy behind you

[valid needle]

That shit was creepy bro lol

[storm jungle]

Creepy?

Bro it was corny as fuck LMAO

GET OFF MY SCREEN SAMUS

[plush mason]

who da fuck is Samus?

[west pendant]

I dont know must be a heretic

btw wtf are these little angel babies flying around LOL

[shadow plover]

Cherubs, duh

[hallow plover]

You

Unironically.

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-am-you-gif-16750331023966673967

[hallow plover]

||Watch out!||

[west pendant]

is space marine 2 the warhammer game with the best presentation and graphics?

[hallow plover]

Yes-ish. But games differ wildly in gameplay and intended style so it depends on what you consider "best"

[west pendant]

on the techside, the most advanced graphics etc

presentation

most blockbustery game

[hallow plover]

||darktide||

[west pendant]

hmm, you think darktide is more impressive on the techside

[hallow plover]

Yes

Sm2 isn't that deep

[west pendant]

im not talking about gameplay depth specifically

just overall technical aspects, graphical fidelity

presentation

[hallow plover]

Roll, roll, parry blue thing

[hallow plover]

Both game are great on these points. Darktide is great on hive warfare and SM2 is more about large scale planetary battles

The last planet in sm2 was nice with the fallen titan in the background, the graveyards, chaos shit happening and tomb world

[humble shoal]

deathwing then

has some wild ass fidelity

[near wasp]

Death wing is some bs

[humble shoal]

still has the best graphical fidelity

that or hired gun tbh

[near wasp]

I'm a Terminator and I get fucking two tapped by some random gaunt

[humble shoal]

but graphically

[valid needle]

Well

SM2 and Darktide have much more different styles

SM2 is more action game
Darktide is more a horror gothic ish vibe

I’d put both equal just different styles

SM2 is newer so of course graphics are more advanced but because of darktides style it utilises these elements very well and compensates for being older.

[raven stone]

Also Darktide is more...well, human

SM/SM2, you are a battle demigod as befitting of a Marine

[storm jungle]

battle demigod until the Tyranid Warrior attack-chains show up

[prime seal]

if this was videogame samus it would be completely one sided

https://tenor.com/view/samusdance-vibestar-super-metroid-samus-aran-gif-20430545

[vagrant fox]

GW should ban people from drawing the eldar and tau in an anime style for a whole year

[rose thorn]

Kill Team Dead Silence – Being visible is old hat, redefine stealth with the T’au Empire’s new XV26 battlesuits

What the fuck does old hat mean

[rustic patrol]

4 rejects should not be able to take on multiple demon hosts, beasts of Nurgle, and Chaos Spawns as you do in Darktide.

3 named space marines in theory can take on the Majoris, Extremis, and Terminus threats you do in operations, so by that metric Space Marine has higher fidelity.

Although, SM2 and SM1 both commit the cardinal sin of turning the melta into an orange shotgun. It's actually a beam weapon like the Volkite according the codices. Look at DoW and DoW 4 if you want to see what it's like.

[west pendant]

I wonder what will happen to you in warhammer40k if you go in public and shout skibidi toilet

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-gae-pepe-julien-gif-13687553676606303412

[prime seal]

yeah sm2 makes more sense

but they're videogames who gaf

you have tau firewarrior sha'sla tau kais killing space marines in his hit halo killer videogame

[wintry cloud]

Yeah and three intercessors can take on a lord of change and a mutalith vortex beast

And the rogue trader crew can beat a lord of change….and a C’tan Shard

And Malum Caedo can do all this and more

What “should” doesn’t really apply in video games

[prime seal]

you dont get to beat a lord of change head on like caedo does in sm2

[wintry cloud]

Im aware
But you still do it

[prime seal]

yeah but its not the same thing lol

[wintry cloud]

I clarify that

“Caedo does this and more”

[prime seal]

that operation is believable

[wintry cloud]

Obv putting him on a higher scale

[prime seal]

agree on the mutalix vortex beast

[full obsidian]

Video game protags are usually just more op than all others as a rule of thumb

[wintry cloud]

In the next boltgun a sister of battle is about to do the same thing

In the upcoming vampire survivors game a bunch of characters are likely going to solo entire armies for hours

We can do this forever

[prime seal]

shas'la tau kais has a book

case closed everyone else is a fraud

for the greater good

shoutouts karl marx

[full obsidian]

Where is the guardsman protag game where we also do all that shit but our lifespan and the length of the game is only 15 hours so it's "lore accurate" 🤓

[storm jungle]

Good rebuke, the shit we do in SM2 is about as silly lol

its about as hilarious when the playerbase complained how easily Tyranids fuck them up too, in lore a group of 50 gaunts dont patiently wait as you kill their leader

[prime seal]

its coming out sometime in the future

[valid needle]

Heresy Dilara

You should know better

We will glaze all the space marines

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kat-kitty-kitten-evil-gif-10545349572153573100

[full obsidian]

What do you mean the horde of enemies aren't programmed to only attack one at a time so I always have time to dodge the attacks 🤡

[valid needle]

Me when I see my 7th combat patrol this month meanwhile the xeno players haven’t had a range refresh in years

[storm jungle]

Next I must tell you not every Tyranid in the vicinity dies when you kill a leader beast 🤡

[wintry cloud]

Like no my “Sister Argenta 2 Turn C’tan Shard build” isn’t lore accurate.

[storm jungle]

Space Marine "fans" got thinner ego than paper i swear lol

[queen laurel]

they seriously cannot take the idea of space marines not being the main character

[storm jungle]

indeed

[queen laurel]

The funny thing is the exact thing they are doing on making space marines the face of everything they got mad at on a guy once

[west pendant]

More respect for the space marines please, its the reason why 99% of the fanbase is even interested in 40k

xoxoxoxoox

long live the emperor

[full obsidian]

Aka space marines are the normie faction
Especially the blue berries

[raven stone]

40k Marines. It is normal to start with them, but if you read up on all other factions and STILL find Marines interesting

Well

[west pendant]

Indeed but they are necessary, because games like space marine 2 will make warhammer that much more money so the rest of the fans can get what they want

[raven stone]

So Marines are the Cash Cow :p

But yea

[west pendant]

yep

[wintry cloud]

They are ye

[raven stone]

Fair enough

[queen laurel]

i have no problem with them i have an issue with the fans

[full obsidian]

More ultramarines glazing!

[wintry cloud]

Can be said that the new game is “helping” AoS by shoving it in there with 40k

To give it more attention

[west pendant]

I mean lots of big fandoms have annoying fans

[queen laurel]

I'm not the type to generalize but like a good chunk of space marine fans are rather not that right in the head

[west pendant]

look at star wars

but because star wars has cool lightsabers, we can get shit like andor

[wintry cloud]

True, you find weirdos anywhere you go

[full obsidian]

Every fandom gets worse the bigger it gets

[wintry cloud]

Its inevitable

[queen laurel]

There is an unfortunate reason why having a space marine PFP is immediately a red flag

[raven stone]

The particular Marine fans are just a bit more problematic because these are the same guys wishing Europeans will launch another "Crusade" to expel all the Middle East/North African refugees :p

[wintry cloud]

Stormcast don’t have that issue fortunately:)

[full obsidian]

Those are black Templar fans, at least according to memes

Although prob blue berry fans too because blue berries are ultra glazed

[wintry cloud]

Sad thing is i love black templars design

But their association is so made fun of

If i were to do marines i would get them first

Black and white is my favorite color combo

And sigismund

My goat

[queen laurel]

They are some of the worst case but it has gotten bad enough to the point that even just having a normal space marine PFP or the most basic of space marine PFP makes people stare at you

iron warrior salamander it doesn't matter

you have a space marine PFP people will be cautious of

you

[raven stone]

I think you need to join the other sane BT fan we have around here

[wintry cloud]

There’s a sane BT fan in here?

[raven stone]

With a BT pic no less

[queen laurel]

2

[wintry cloud]

That accepts that they are civilian murdering psychopaths?

[wintry cloud]

W

[full obsidian]

I think even krieg and cadia fans are basically having the same effect too now

They are basically the black Templar/ blueberry equivalents anyways

[raven stone]

Krieg moreso

Because German motifs

Far less Cadians

[wintry cloud]

Yeah krieg is hard because they are heavily german in aesthetic

And once again, they are super cool

But dang

[full obsidian]

They are also like the most fanatical faction like the templars

[wintry cloud]

The idea of having humans that essentially have no fear and are just in it for the love of the game is a cool concept

[raven stone]

Basically 40k has the weirs trouble of "undesirable political fans thinking hard-core Imperium fanaticism is cool to implement in real life"

(Highlighted section is the truly troublesome point)

I don't think Imperium policies are great ideas, but that don't stop me from being 40k fan overall

[wintry cloud]

My star wars friends are having the same issue

Probably any large setting with a cool fascist faction has these issues

Just attracts those kinds of peole

[full obsidian]

Bad guys being cool will always void morality for some people

[raven stone]

People seeking validation they lack in real life...as well as being unable to provide for themselves.

[wintry cloud]

Transformers in addition

It kinda goes on forever

[hollow lantern]

Tbh the scariest SM chapter to meet a fan of is the Red Scorpions

They're a chapter all about their genetic purity lmfao

[queen laurel]

Like I say it's OK to like bad guys as long as you keep in mind they are bad guys

I mean look at me I like orks

they are not justifiable in any shape

[hollow lantern]

Tbh I kinda miss the older iterations of orks

They were much meaner

[raven stone]

I left the Marine fandom initially over the Primaris money grab (it happened right when I was investing into Firstborns again so I eas a bit pissed)

Then I realised 90% of Marine fans missed the point that of they DID become Marines they would not think like actual normal humans

[raven stone]

Orks have the weird problem of their generic meaness being outdone by Chaos/Dark Eldar

In any other settings they are barbaric to the max as they are

[hollow lantern]

Orks had/have a genuinely scary level of cruelty

It just doesn't get touched on as much anymore ime

[raven stone]

Probably because their comedic aspect is played up a bit more, that much is true

But various novels still have Orks take human slaves (again, slavery under Orks is horrific but "mundane" compared to what Chaos and Dark Eldar do to you)

[wintry cloud]

Sigvald is one of my favorite characters in Fantasy, or AoS and everytime i need to give a friend a sensitivity warning before i start talking about him.

[queen laurel]

it's just back breaking labor turning you into food and making you a fancy pet because they like your fighting will

[full obsidian]

Because I think some fans think orks only want to be fight, like it's a competitive sport and not just cause misery for the sake of it, but fans keep seeing the stuff about yarrick being spared because he was a good fighter or something

[hollow lantern]

I cant remember which book it came out of but the ork gestalt field was turning human prisoners into cattle

[queen laurel]

oh no that's not how the field works

they mentally broke those people

Orks may appear dumb and simple on the majority but when they can be horrific

they can be horrific

[queen laurel]

they are built for fighting but they are also more than capable of understanding what suffering is

they will laugh at you as they tear your family in half right in front of you

[wintry cloud]

Orks have a nice balance of insanely funny when you’re in their perspective but horrifying from other perspectives

An endless tide of warmongering gorillas that can seemingly advance themselves from thin air

No thanks

Especially when a Waaagh starts

Its scary for every faction.

[humble shoal]

The primorks come

[raven stone]

Yea for all their comedic aspects, they are not any nicer at all. At most the best you can say about them is they are honest in their brutality.

[humble shoal]

There is only one good faction

Jokkaero

[raven stone]

Return to monkey 🤣

[wintry cloud]

“They’re braindead this will be an easy war”

And then somehow they just constructed a titan from scraps?

Or in fantasy they just gain enough energy en masse to make a walking mountain fight a bloodthirster.

[raven stone]

Are we not going to mention that one power

Turning any living being into a squig

[queen laurel]

even if they are braindead the sheer brutality and strength they literally throw themselves at you would break anyone not prepared

[queen laurel]

weirdboyz do that

[full obsidian]

About the imperium, I think a lot of fans have the mindset that they'll acknowledge the imperium is evil but want to glaze the space marines/imperial guard as protag heroes because the actual soldiers of the imperium aren't evil in their mind because they are "protecting humanity"

[raven stone]

Well Guard is more an underdog tone of support

I mean imagine being normal human armed forces and winning against all the things we mentioned

And then some

I like Rogue Trader/Inquisition (Imperial Agents) because they actually have agency of thought beyond Imperial indoctrination

[storm jungle]

Its one of the most funny paradoxes because you gotta show them as somewhat relatable protagonists so people buy them but then you got examples of them doing atrocities to remind you they are evil

[west pendant]

Titus is a good buy

[full obsidian]

I think also a lot of fans see the imperium as a necessary evil, so although everyone will probably agree the imperium is evil, it's in different contexts

[west pendant]

its like the dnd morality aligntment

but only with evil

humans are the lawful evil

to the extreme of that point

[storm jungle]

Dunno i wouldnt buy him

[storm jungle]

they very much arent "lawful"

[west pendant]

you already did twice

[wintry cloud]

His model is ugly as balls idk why he’s so ugly

[hallow plover]

Humans are chaotic lawful

[west pendant]

Titus aint ugly 😭

[storm jungle]

Balls.

[wintry cloud]

His expression is so off to me dude, titus is always grim and never showing emotion.

Always a frown

[west pendant]

Peak masculinity there

[raven stone]

I mean he was accused of heresy wrongly :p

[west pendant]

we can all strive to be like titus

[hallow plover]

Space marines are depicted as way too good looking

[wintry cloud]

No no i mean his model

The expression on the model i dislike

I love his grim look in game

And in the secret level. Dude is stoic as hell

[queen laurel]

Become super soldiers to a super evil regime that sends people to concentration camps and would lynch them for being too tall?

[storm jungle]

hes taking a MASSIVE shit

(like most frowning minis)

[full obsidian]

You see being tall only bad if you are ugly

Otherwise you are just a based chad super soldier

[storm jungle]

DUDE

THE BOTTOM LEFT ONE

BRITISH PUB-BLOKE TITUS????

[wintry cloud]

Its so bad

Idk

[storm jungle]

😭

[west pendant]

did he actually choose to be a soldier?

[storm jungle]

titus being a brexit geezer explains a lot

[wintry cloud]

How do you go “yeah let’s release this”

[west pendant]

nono, you need to put the face of henry cavill there

[wintry cloud]

If the 40k model had his thousand yard stare id dig it

But he’s like holding in diarrhea

[raven stone]

Depends on Chapter, some Marines ask, some just kidnap kids

[west pendant]

what is the criteria of being chosen

do they just randomly pick you?

it depends on the actual space marine faction?

[storm jungle]

Depends on the Chapter.

READ THE LEXI.

[west pendant]

😭

im playing

😭

[storm jungle]

gonna play with some grenades once im done with you

smh my head

[west pendant]

no im playing spacemarine 2

so I cant read

[raven stone]

Generally Marines pick pre-teens, have them run through a death trial (which can vary between Chapters), and assuming the candidates survive, their minds are evaluated.

[storm jungle]

we're so cooked

[burnt maple]

DILARA!

Bro, I learned a fucking cool thing in 40k!

[west pendant]

so becoming a witcher is a lot like becoming a space marine huh, humans turned into half-mutants, stunted emotions, very good killing machines

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

Witchers ironically got a better fate than space marines

aka they are atleast actually free to do what they want lol

[west pendant]

Yeah witchers get laid

[full obsidian]

Really if this is the background of most space marines then most of them are probably psychos given they were raised on killing other kids since childhood, but most marines are treated as protag heroes who protect the innocent humans

[storm jungle]

LMAO

TRUE

[rocky gale]

Yea they get to be played by Henry Caville

[burnt maple]

So, there was this war between humans and the tau. And tau found a dead dreadnaught...

XD

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-darktide-warhammer-40k-40k-zealot-gif-16257746668960706185

[west pendant]

Henry cavill is the biggest witcher fan, and the biggest warhammer fan as well

he said so in his interviews

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/escrever-woman-stop-writing-woman-writing-mulher-escrevendo-stantwitter-gif-1173262925804927370

[burnt maple]

XD

[raven stone]

I mean that is exactly what Emps designed them to be - controlled, well armed psychopaths meant to protect the "normal" humans.

[storm jungle]

As Sakan said

they'll never be the men they were destined to be

very woke of him ngl smh

[west pendant]

Can a woman become a space marine ?

[burnt maple]

Lmao

[queen laurel]

Sakan Deez nutz

[storm jungle]

Nope.

because uhhh

because uhhhhh

uhhhh

lore said so

[west pendant]

is there lore reason or is it uhh

[full obsidian]

Big E said no girls allowed

[vagrant fox]

sometimes something male hormones and male tissue types big E said no girls

[wintry cloud]

Talk to Sigmar, he makes more sense.

[west pendant]

who tf is sigmar

[rocky gale]

Geneseed negatively interacts with cooties

[burnt maple]

Teddy, I believe you to be trolling rn xD

[vagrant fox]

me

[west pendant]

Eh I mostly do, but with good intentions xD

[queen laurel]

main god of humans in warhammer fantasy and age of sigmar

[rocky gale]

It's why they implant it in young boys before they get infected during their teenage years

[queen laurel]

he's not related to 40K you can forget about him

[raven stone]

OK but IRL reason back in the 1980s GW recieved report from retailers saying the (way back then) female marine figs were not selling, so they wrote the lore to justify only producing male marine minis

[west pendant]

sigma male

[burnt maple]

... Huh?

[raven stone]

Obviously a lesson in not letting market decisions determine lore

[wintry cloud]

The contrast to Big E in Age of Sigmar

His demigod supersoldiers are both male/female/ or don’t need an identity.

Contrasted to man-marines

[burnt maple]

Never fucking heard of that.

[storm jungle]

Long and serious answer:

Space Marines have been male for essentially no reason aside from the reaosn that "gene-seed can only work on the male genome" (which is also never really explained why). The real reason is 40k has been largely a male dominated space since the 90's and has only started to diversify in a very good manner to the wider media and markets.

Lots of unisex ranges, head options, prominent female figures etc, Marines are just left untouched because at the moment its just kinda too much of a market risk to possibly upset your main cashcows.

[full obsidian]

The best head canon for it imo is that big E intended for space marines to not be able to reproduce by any means, so making them only male was apart of it

[storm jungle]

...so make them infertile?

[burnt maple]

Grok-...I mean, Dilara, is it true?

[storm jungle]

ironically the most easiest option lol

[west pendant]

marketing is usually stupid because they dont understand the demographic, I guess only boys are interested in war, so warhammer is for boys!

[storm jungle]

Ye

[storm jungle]

Yeah literally that

[wintry cloud]

Stormcast eternals can have sex
They are infertile

[storm jungle]

tho like i said that has been changing

[wintry cloud]

It is simple as

[storm jungle]

post-2018 we got tons of stuff for miniature/art ranges

tons of unisex army options, prominent female characters, etc

back in the day the entire cast of the Imperium was like legions of male white characters 💀

[wintry cloud]

You cannot convince me Cawl or Bile can’t somehow make a female space marine

Issue is that it would flip 40k over.

[raven stone]

And I will say it right here and now.
Anyone complaining about Female Marines or Custodes are plain stupid

Because the introduction of Primaris did far more damage to the lore than anything else ;p

[burnt maple]

Good times.... I mean what? /S

[rocky gale]

Primaris better

[raven stone]

Well back then GW was writing for an European and US market. This was before GW ever tried going international...but yes definitely lack of foresight.

[storm jungle]

the thing with hating female custodes is it basically always spawns from a place of grognardism, its either

• "Retcons are bad", he says, in a setting built upon retcons
• "This is not lore accurate", said lore which never established custodes gotta be just men

[west pendant]

even so there are women in europe and us

[storm jungle]

are you sure

maybe you imagined them....

[west pendant]

im actually second-guessing right now

[storm jungle]

I got bad news teddy....

[raven stone]

TBF it is only very recently women started joining the hobby due to changes in social attitude

[queen laurel]

The worst part is they were complaining at first about something genuinely valid about their bad rules and table tops the moment they find out women invaded their their frat party they immediately became aggressive killing machines

[burnt maple]

Exactly, Teddy. Women are a government propagand!

[wintry cloud]

Or idk give sororitas some way to juice up

[full obsidian]

Do you guys think women are allowed in the imperium, it is called the imperium of MAN after all, clearly it's a retcon that women exist in 40k

[burnt maple]

XDDDDDD

[west pendant]

Videogames in general were marketed for boys, everything kind of nerdy, dungeons and dragons, warhammer etc was for boys basically

because women enjoyed uhh, wtf do they enjoy? pink dresses and barbies?

[burnt maple]

Alright, enough humor from my side.

[valid needle]

I mean I know this is a joke but the imperium of man doesn’t mean male. It’s the human race.

[burnt maple]

... Yes.

[valid needle]

Usually when man is used like this irl it means the human race

[raven stone]

IoH
Imperium of Humanity.

Lol

[west pendant]

the male race

[valid needle]

Male isn’t a race

[burnt maple]

IoUHK.

Imperium of Unisex Human Kind.

[full obsidian]

Yeah it's mostly for boys, that doesn't mean boys have to hate it because there are women in it, idk why people think people can only relate to characters that are their gender and not care/hate the other one?

[valid needle]

The general chat folks coming into our good chat today I see

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-lalo-salamanca-respect-you-know-gif-17227274797374562808

[storm jungle]

The Boys????

[wintry cloud]

Politics
Conservatism
Chuds

They’ve been here forever

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-based-the-boys-homelander-the-boys-facts-gif-26206051

[wintry cloud]

“Women serving in combat roles!?!?!”

[full obsidian]

I'm pretty sure women don't get into 40k just because the sororitas are women

[west pendant]

you know what warhammer needs, a mono-gendered female alien race, like the asari in mass effect, very sensual and passionate

[storm jungle]

VERY important for the lore

[burnt maple]

Homelander strikes me as an eldar player. Dunno why.

[storm jungle]

asari gang rise up

[wintry cloud]

https://youtu.be/5NvxDcdgDHI?si=rb5NqG-a1cxUnyzO

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[raven stone]

It is not out of control, and anyways, this is the better/saner general :p

[storm jungle]

oh god not this guy again

[burnt maple]

WHAT

[west pendant]

Boys will hate it because you cant have outsiders coming in and ruining your fav games right?

[storm jungle]

idk he seems more like an imperium player to me

[zenith remnant]

No. Women were part of gaming from the start, just not very visible because it was a male dominated hobby and industry and they only got comfortable being openly part of either when certain behaviors and language started being bannable offenses in online games.

[storm jungle]

"YOU WORMS NEED ME"

[rose thorn]

Isn’t this literally true though

[storm jungle]

Not really no

[burnt maple]

But he hates the system that made him,no?

Maybe chaos player...

[storm jungle]

but mass genocide so uhhh

[valid needle]

No not really

[west pendant]

as a woman just say hello in a random call of duty lobby, see what happens lmao

[valid needle]

The galaxy was still all out war

[storm jungle]

Unironically i did this once

actual nightmare

[valid needle]

Imperium was just a new player

[zenith remnant]

There are a lot of objectively worse factions the Imperium purged during the Great Crusade. Just look at the Black Judges.

[storm jungle]

I wish they purged themselves instead

oh wait

[wintry cloud]

Yeah im actually happy that media in general has had a slow hard push for female protagonists and representation

Girls are cool 👍🏿
Simple as

[rose thorn]

I don’t know if the joke I was about to make is funny or ass

[wintry cloud]

What was it

[rose thorn]

A stupid joke involving yeh black judges

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Im glad i wasnt alone 💀

[rose thorn]

Despite me knowing literlaly nothing about them

[vagrant fox]

idk as a strong, independent, hwite man all these nancies coming into my boys club and wanting to feel welcome and at least partially represented makes me very angry

[storm jungle]

"We are being INVADED"

[queen laurel]

POV you are a woman and speak once in a call of duty lobby

( you have awakened the ancient souls of the misogynism )

https://tenor.com/view/scarecrow-creepy-smile-creepy-laugh-jumpscare-the-singing-detective-gif-7030913480300544770

[wintry cloud]

Like in the big picture more women in your hobby is good.

Do you want to be fat, ugly, and alone forever?

[full obsidian]

I mean I think both sides have a point here, it is true that this stuff was originally meant for boys and mostly still is, and was made with traditional gender roles in mind, so having those gender roles is somewhat apart of the original identity, and it is a noticeable difference if they change, but it doesn't have to be hated, there are indeed a lot of good reasons to hate changes to the franchise/fanbase it just depends which ones

[storm jungle]

the "boys" side is usually always in the wrong

theres literally nothing wrong with your toy soldier universe being diverse

GW has proven that since 2018 lol

we live in a fandom who get upset at a fucking plastic toy having black skin

[zenith remnant]

I'm just glad girls in games are no longer restricted to being hourglasses with exercise balls glued to their chest and ass. I am not a drooling neanderthal, normal-ass women are hot too.

[wintry cloud]

Neave blacktalon is
A woman
Gay
And trans

She’s the face of AOS right now

Zero problems

[west pendant]

I would argue that marketing for products shouldnt be gendered, enjoying media by itself is not a gendered construct, I can read a romance novel and still absolutely love it, the fact that I have a dick should have nothing to do with it, same thing with warhammer, a woman can enjoy warhammer and scream GLORY FOR THE EMPIRE with the homies without it feeling like its a guy thing to do

its just moronic

even from a marketing standpoint, because you actually close off half the population to your product, stunting your sales

[queen laurel]

OK The thing is AOS from the start has been built to be quite diverse so that isn't quite an issue 40K on the other hand has to deal with the fact it used to be male dominated

[wintry cloud]

One thing i do love about Warhammer in all of their settings is that women tend to have actual armor and designs that fit warefare

Vs goon-goon mega tiddies we tend to see

[wintry cloud]

True

[zenith remnant]

I think the more 'feminine' sculpt of Sororitas power armor is more just the Ecclesiarchy gloating over that loophole in the Decree Passive.

[valid needle]

Now now Dilara don’t be mean

[zenith remnant]

"No 'Men under arms' here, losers."

[queen laurel]

that's like asking an Ork not to shoot somebody in the head

[storm jungle]

Gooning.

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-inquisition-you're-doomed-funny-sisters-of-silence-gif-5701083041428938624

[wintry cloud]

Or if they aren’t heavily armored there’s specific reasons to their philosophy and design as to why they aren’t heavily armored.

Ex: repentia or drukhari whyches

And they still dont have boobs bigger than their head

[storm jungle]

Boobs are hot

its not that deep guys

[valid needle]

The imperium was a peaceful utopia who did galaxy wide charity before chaos came along and RUINED it. Then did genocide and framed the imperium.

[storm jungle]

[wintry cloud]

Not when they clap and cause shockwaves when you walk

[queen laurel]

Hitler explaining to jesus christ what he did to the Jews was justified

[valid needle]

THE RANGDAN XENOCIDE NEVER HAPPENED

chaos cultist propaganda

[full obsidian]

No they don't lmao

[wintry cloud]

They don’t?

[valid needle]

They do

The boob armour is mostly unofficial gooner art

[wintry cloud]

Look pretty well armored

[outer wave]

I think SoBs and SoS have it the worst

[hollow lantern]

It depends on the design era ime

[rose thorn]

Black talon jump scare

[hollow lantern]

Older 40k women defo have boob armor

Newer warhammer across all settings women don't as commonly

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[wintry cloud]

Eh, boob armor i don’t have an issue with
Its when theres no armor on the boobs

[wintry cloud]

Boob armor can show femininity and such, depends on the perspective ig

[wintry cloud]

There’s likely ton of examples from other media with NO ARMOR covering the boob and their meant for warfare

[hollow lantern]

Tzeentch, Changer of Genders

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[wintry cloud]

Nothing wrong with having armor that sillhouttes your breasts, or armor that like has abdominal shaping on it to replicate abs

In my opinion

[zenith remnant]

Look, they gave Magnus massive hornnipples, I don't think Tzeentch has an advanced sense of humor

[hollow lantern]

It depends on how extra chronosomey you want to be cause it is fundamentally flawed in that it redirects wounds to your organs

[rose thorn]

Tzshe/hertch

[hollow lantern]

But this is also warhammer

[burnt maple]

Can I have armor to contain my bigass fucking beer belly?

[rose thorn]

True….

[hollow lantern]

There's a fat space wolf

[wintry cloud]

Ye

[rose thorn]

maggotkin of Nurgle in AOS

[burnt maple]

FAT?! Wow, so inconsiderate.

[wintry cloud]

Death guard too

Look at chunky typhus

[valid needle]

To be fair blood angels have ab and nipple armour too

[wintry cloud]

^

tru

[burnt maple]

Plus size space wilolf.

[rose thorn]

I literally could not remember the word death guard thank you

[rose thorn]

To be fair they are doing that cringy angel esthetic

[wintry cloud]

Angels r cool tho 😭

[hollow lantern]

Haegr the Mountain, I don't think he has official art but I could be wrong

[outer wave]

Imagine upskirting Ahriman and seeing different things every time you do

[valid needle]

I agree, Dark Angels do the Angel aesthetic much better.

[full obsidian]

There's like a bunch of yt video essays explaining that boob armour never actually makes any sense and has only existed because of gooner shit

[hollow lantern]

Its not like, out of the realm of possibilities tbh. Tzeentch blessings can do that to your face iirc.

[outer wave]

Yeah it can!

So fuck it, thats my head canon now

[burnt maple]

I mean, Blood angels lean towards renessaince angels.
Dark Angels for knight ones.

[rose thorn]

Tbf they are more of a monk / knight athletic and don’t really have much Angel stuff

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[raven stone]

The Spyrer design is unisex - but with a female head it isn't horribly exaggerated boob plate.

[hollow lantern]

Blood Angels are like, east Rome to me tbh

[rose thorn]

Fr lmao

[wintry cloud]

This has nothing to do with my point
I didn’t talk about the origin of “boob armor”

I said its cool that they are armored

[rose thorn]

I wish blood angels were more vampiric than angelic

[valid needle]

Apart from all the biblical names and all the angels wings and iconography

[rose thorn]

What wings??? They have statues of angels

[hollow lantern]

Try Flesh Tearers

[rose thorn]

And wings in their helmets

[rose thorn]

Okay vampires that don’t have a brain injury

[hollow lantern]

Oh so now we're being picky, huh?

[valid needle]

40K less so but 30K Dark angels had a very big angel aesthetic and had wings on their armour and helms

[rose thorn]

Yes

[hollow lantern]

I like Angels Vermillion tbh

[valid needle]

Like here

[hollow lantern]

They gather up a bunch of sacrifices and host a ritual where they kill em on something called "the bloodspike" and collectively drink as a chapter

They wear a lot of deep hoods to hide their faces too

[rose thorn]

They are still quite knightly but I see where you are coming from

[valid needle]

Why do the angels vermillion refuse to speak to the blood angels?

[rose thorn]

I slightly respect dark angels more since Lion made their lore good

[hollow lantern]

Iirc they don't communicate with a lot of the other Sons of Sang cause they see themselves as awful cursed bastard children cause of the thirst

[hollow lantern]

A lot of the BA and sons have the entrapments of raging against their curse

Flesh Tearers/Flesh Eaters are the ones who like

Embrace it

But they're also, yk

Like ig the classical vampire thing is kinda consumed by the NL

They really like all that melodrama

[rose thorn]

YouTubers who make a ‘the golden demon is RUINED’ or ‘the golden demon is a SCAM’ every fucking golden demon have zero dignity and their opinions should automatically be questioned

I’m so sick of it

“How is it fair that someone who only uses gw bits, paints better, doesn’t even own a 3d printer, and one of the worlds best painters wins the competition????? My 3d printed air brush and contrast only space marine model deserves to win instead!”

[languid meadow]

"how is it fair to follow tourney rules??????"

[rose thorn]

It’s like how that duck stamp painting competition is won by like the same 3 guys for 40 years

All of which happen to be brothers

There is honor in the attempt and you should be proud of what you created on your own merit

[hollow lantern]

You ever see that one skink that won GD?

[rose thorn]

If you wanna be the best then be the best and do everything you can to help the best

[rose thorn]

Yeah and they won fairly

[hollow lantern]

That thing is so immaculately painted tbh

[rose thorn]

That one pissed people off so bad lmao

[hollow lantern]

Like its hardcore not my favorite but the techniques on display are nuts

One of my favorite GDs is the giant from the year before tbh

[rose thorn]

Just being able to enter the competition means you are one of the best painters in your country lmao

[hollow lantern]

One of my friends has a couple of pins from GD for notable entries

[rose thorn]

The mega gargant? He is great he is in all of the AOS rule books lmao

[hollow lantern]

I think so, he has the resin water base

[rose thorn]

Yeah lmao

They plaster him everywhere he was even in the sons of behomet battletome

[languid meadow]

any big model with water resin is peak

[hollow lantern]

I would too

[wintry cloud]

Say it louder please

[hollow lantern]

Yk the dude we're talking about?

[wintry cloud]

Send pic

[wintry cloud]

Bro

😭

[languid meadow]

I was just about to post the image

[wintry cloud]

Bro painted a wallpaper

[languid meadow]

yeah it's great

[hollow lantern]

Tbh 2022 had a lot of crazy good stuff

[rose thorn]

Also don’t forget

[hollow lantern]

AoS models are so much better than 40ks tbh

Its not even close

[wintry cloud]

You guys think GW tries hiring these guys to their painting team?

[rose thorn]

Probably not

[wintry cloud]

Maybe every now and then?

[hollow lantern]

Tbh no cause GW always paints in heavy metal

[wintry cloud]

Oh

[rose thorn]

Eavy metal is weird and trained to paint a hyper specific way

[wintry cloud]

Makes sense

[hollow lantern]

Its designed to show off products iirc

And be incapable of painting female faces

[rose thorn]

But they do ask the winners to let them put them their models in the codexes and battletomes and stuff lol

[wintry cloud]

Close enough

That’s cool

[rose thorn]

Yeha I think the guy who painted women’s faces retired lol

[hollow lantern]

I should get into AoS

AoS people seem to enjoy themselves

[rose thorn]

It’s amazing

[hollow lantern]

I kinda refuse to touch 40k atp and I don't like HH 3.0

I could get burnt a third time going to AoS

Why not

[wintry cloud]

Alot of love in the AoS community

I met a guy and he was insanely patient and softspoken. I used to be alot more into 40k until i met him.

Ever since i kinda havent looked back

[hollow lantern]

Tbh it's not the people for 40k, although they're definitely not a selling point

GW murdered my army and I haven't liked the direction the rules went in since roughly 8th but realistically 9th

[valid needle]

What was your army

[rose thorn]

Fun fact, you I how the cheapest army in 40k points per dollar is custodies?

[hollow lantern]

Deathwatch

[rose thorn]

In AOS their points per dollar would make them the most expensive armies next to mega gargants

[valid needle]

RIP

[rose thorn]

Yeha that was a weird choice by gw tbh

[hollow lantern]

Trust me, ik

[hollow lantern]

Nah it makes sense

DW didn't sell extremely well and they've been relegated to white dwarves for rules for years before they got axed

Same thing happened to Elf Clowns

[rose thorn]

I quit 40k after demons got binned and gsc got utter swarm slop rules

[hollow lantern]

Yeah wtf even happened to daemons

[arctic talon]

They got an index

No codex

[rose thorn]

Demons are now gonna be an AOS only thing

[arctic talon]

GW is likely going to do something next edition

Either kill off the daemons as their own thing like AoS did

Shoving them into the cult legion books

Or just kill daemons entirely

That’s my bet

Because GW has a weird thing where they don’t want stuff in both systems

[rose thorn]

They are probably gonna do the same thing as now and have demons at most be a detachment in cult legion books

[arctic talon]

For the sake of “sales tracking”

[hollow lantern]

Profit maximization probably

[rose thorn]

Sales tracking is a fair argument

[arctic talon]

It wouldn’t make them more money is the thing

[rose thorn]

Just why KT 1.0 and warcry struggle so bad

[arctic talon]

People are less likely to try another system if they can’t use existing stuff in it

Tbh

[hollow lantern]

Tbf if you get into 3 games and have to buy 3 armies thats more money

Not that Daemons ever really

Sold well

[arctic talon]

Daemons don’t even function as their own army in AoS really

Imo

[hollow lantern]

I think i saw one(1) daemons army in the wild ever

[rose thorn]

They are doing really well rn

[arctic talon]

If someone brings up that disgrace of a belakor regiment of renown I’m going to cry

[rose thorn]

And usually have 1 or 2 archetypes

[rose thorn]

*army of renown

[arctic talon]

I’m referring to pure daemons which is either belakor

Or nothing

As far as I’m aware

[rose thorn]

Army of the first prince is slaves to darkness with no named characters and some random demons

[arctic talon]

Because running mono god daemons aside from tzeentch seems like a horrid idea

[rose thorn]

(It’s quite good)

[arctic talon]

Anyways point being

Pure daemons are dead in AoS

Imo

[hollow lantern]

Didn't mono T work cause of one model?

[arctic talon]

And it sucks

The funniest thing is daemons are doing well in 40K as an army

GW did in essence give daemons a stopgap index

That’s just a codex without the lore

[rose thorn]

Blood thirster spam is good, the keeper of secrets is good, Nurgle demons have some fast choices, horrors are really good rn and fate weaver

[arctic talon]

The issue is no one knows wtf is going to happen to daemons

Blood thirster spam is good

But you still run mortals

KoS is good but you’d never pick daemonettes

[rose thorn]

Yeha you run like 1 or 2 bloods warriors lmao

[arctic talon]

Yeah

That’s my point

Mono daemons are dead

[rose thorn]

Oh yeha I see

[arctic talon]

Pure daemons aren’t a thing in AoS anymore

Which sucks

[rose thorn]

My bad I thoguht you meant demons in general

[arctic talon]

Nah

Absolutely Not lol

There’s viable daemons

[rose thorn]

They probably will be better next edition when 40k drops them fully

[arctic talon]

It’s just that running pure daemons is the equivelent of shooting yourself in the foot

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[arctic talon]

Doubt it

Pure daemons sucked ass in 3e as well

The last time they were good as a “pure” thing was 2e

[rose thorn]

Lmao

Supposedly MoN are getting a new demon hero

[arctic talon]

Hopefully

lol

[rose thorn]

(And are hopefully losing all their bad characters)

[arctic talon]

Unlikely 💀

[rose thorn]

7 named characters is fucking stupid

[arctic talon]

Honestly just let legions of the first prince run whatever the fuck they want man

[rose thorn]

3 of them serve zero purpose

[arctic talon]

Tbh it’s fine

[rose thorn]

Yeah, the current list is weird

[arctic talon]

Flavor is good to have in a game

Having all those nerds sitting around is fine imo

Also James workshop

[rose thorn]

It’s blood letters, flamers, plague bearers, chariots, and fiends

[arctic talon]

Why the fuck is path to glory less creative then crusade

Like cmon

[rose thorn]

Oh and beasts of nurgle

And screamers

[arctic talon]

GW should give us back one of the old battle scenarios

Where you use two tables

One for shyish and the other for the actual battle

And shove that into path to glory

[rose thorn]

That sounds like a headache lmao

[arctic talon]

It’s really fucking funny

Every unit that gets wiped gets sent to shyish

[hollow lantern]

How far into 10e are we rn?

[rose thorn]

At the end

[arctic talon]

And then you continue the fight in shyish

[arctic talon]

We got like 6-8 months left

[rose thorn]

Jesus

[arctic talon]

Summer 2026 is when 11e comes out lol

[hollow lantern]

Alright, thank you

[arctic talon]

3 years passes fast

Or something idk

[hollow lantern]

Id be interested in looking at 11e

[arctic talon]

10e has been boring to me rules wise

Lol

[rose thorn]

Probably because no content released since like the start of the edition

[arctic talon]

Even if I play some form of Warhammer tabletop every week

[arctic talon]

There’s been a lot

Tbh

[hollow lantern]

10e has been, genuinely, the worst edition of warhammer for me. Not cause it's imbalanced or hard to understand, but cause it's milquetoast.

[arctic talon]

It’s very boring

lol

[hollow lantern]

Like there's no personality there.

[rose thorn]

Tau, space wolves, eldar, space marines, nids?

[hollow lantern]

At all.

[arctic talon]

The lack of multiple army rules

Also hurts a ton of armies

[rose thorn]

I don’t remember anything else

[arctic talon]

Mini releases?

[hollow lantern]

They killed my boys

[arctic talon]

There’s been a good bit

[hollow lantern]

For Imperial Agents

[arctic talon]

They’re back btw

[rose thorn]

I FORGOT AGENTS EXISTED

[arctic talon]

💀

[hollow lantern]

Still haven't met an IA player btw

[hollow lantern]

Like

Back how

[arctic talon]

You have an index

It’s a marine index

It’s literally the pre IA index

But better

It’s on warcom

[hollow lantern]

I'll look

Thanks

[arctic talon]

No problem

I met 1 IA player

But he was playing it for the bit

[hollow lantern]

I've seen more LoV players(2) than IA players

[arctic talon]

Interesting mini releases for me were like

Crons, LoV, CWE, Drukhari, space marines(all inclusive), nids and kroot

Also guard I guess

But I don’t like krieg that much lol

[hollow lantern]

They still haven't released new Catachans right?

Just one offs etc etc

[arctic talon]

Yeah new catachan is next edition

I’m 100% sure

[hollow lantern]

If guard rules aren't what they are rn I'd look into Catachans ngl

[arctic talon]

Guard rules are

They’re rules

The lack of a generic infantry squad is dumb

[hollow lantern]

I just don't like that regiments got boiled down into units

It feels

Weird

[arctic talon]

Orders/detachments is whatever

It is weird

They should have gone with more generic names

For the regiment specific units

Tbh

[hollow lantern]

I agree, but then they wouldnt be regiment units lmfao

[arctic talon]

Like cadian is: shock troopers
Krieg is: siege troopers

Ect.

[arctic talon]

It’s the same effect gameplay wise

[hollow lantern]

Itd just be "guard"

[arctic talon]

Tbh

[hollow lantern]

Why did they even do that?

It seemed deeply unpopular with a lot of guard players

[arctic talon]

Unclear

No one fucking knows but whoever decided it

I doubt it was the rules writers

[arctic talon]

Based on how nothing in the book interacts with the regiment specific keywords

[arctic talon]

Oh hey it’s this dude

[hollow lantern]

10e just seems like a mess of "who even made this decision"

[arctic talon]

From the ttrpg

[arctic talon]

The current lead rules designer talked shit about free wargear

Btw

He said it’s stupid

[hollow lantern]

I knew that bit actually

[vagrant fox]

Soldevan has had a glowup since the Dark Heresy rulebook

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[hollow lantern]

Thank god tho

[arctic talon]

He looks less unhinged

[hollow lantern]

Its amazing how much points for wargear is like, beneficial to a games feeling

[arctic talon]

It helps with list tuning

So much

lol

Free wargear is fine in AoS

Because it’s side grades

In 40K

A fucking las cannon is not the same as a heavy stubber

[hollow lantern]

Free wargear when I give all of my marines combi meltas and powerfists

[rose thorn]

lmao

[hollow lantern]

It makes me an asshole but literally why wouldn't I

[rose thorn]

im cutting click bait out of my life

[arctic talon]

You’re also paying for it already often

lol

Also

I dislike GW removing melee range from AoS

No I’m not biased

I swear

[hollow lantern]

Ik, cause the points value was insane on full squads

It was accounting for you taking cancer loadouts iirc

[arctic talon]

Yeah scourges are priced around full dark Lance rn

For example

Anyways if I had a wishlist for AoS 5e it’s that I want melee range back

Aside from that I like most of 4e

[rose thorn]

weird choice but its uderstandable

[arctic talon]

It makes sense why it’s gone

But also I liked it

lol

[rose thorn]

wish there was some slight compensation for it

but waht ever

[wintry cloud]

Aint no way someone saw this game and had a breakdown

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-thugnificent-riley-huey-freeman-gif-12341878813176299769

[hollow lantern]

You overestimate 40k fans

These people lost their minds over femstodes

[wintry cloud]

I genuinely have to watch the video

I need to understand

Maybe its just the “i want it to be niche” mindset idk

Or maybe he thinks its too much slop?

[hallow saddle]

maybe he is just a grumpy grognard

[pale onyx]

Speaking from an in lore perspective, the rejected are pretty fucking strong being able to body a chaos spawn and beast of nurgle.

It is of my most humble opinion, that, if a great unclean one spawned in. With help, the rejects could kill it.

But I'm talking like a shit ton of help. Like if the great unclean one was in a make shift cauldron, someone released s leman Russ ontop of its head via a crane. Then the rejects could finish it

[plush mason]

oh? this about dark heresy

[wintry cloud]

Yep

[wintry cloud]

In SM2 you can “fight” a hierophant bio titan by turning on siege canons and dodging its fire

So like

Sure something like that can work

[plush mason]

hm this is now the 3rd time ordo hereticus has been featured in a major video game

ofc the cabal in dark heresy is a hereticus cabal so i guess it was a given there

[arctic talon]

Malleus and hereticus both have representation in dark heresy by Owlcat so far

Bet the next inqusitor revealed is gona be Ordo xenos

lol

[wind zealot]

I mean, auric operatives are probably name character equivalents with some juiced stat line.

you get 4 hero characters in tabletop or a optimized party in dh, you're killing some monsters.

[pale onyx]

Exactly

And I also really want to see a leman Russ get dropped on a great unclean ones head

[plush mason]

oh

[sacred ginkgo]

You can also shoot it to death with player weapons over the course of an hour or so

[wintry cloud]

Didn’t even know that

[arctic talon]

The fact it doesn’t have a psychic shield is weird

lol

That thing is a Psyker(technically)

[queen laurel]

I mean this is the same game where the tyranids nearby kill themselves because their bigger brother exploded

[arctic talon]

True

lol

[queen laurel]

instead of just going feral and trying to kill you

[sacred ginkgo]

Read the final encounter of the wrath and glory darktide supplement

[wintry cloud]

You can make any excuse for a video game

[celest dome]

Was that thing a GUO ? Or just a greater Chaos Spawn

[vital ginkgo]

Which chaos god's worshippers are most successful in the wars they wage?

[rose thorn]

I always forget gw owns talisman

Its like top 15 most popular non hasbro boardgames ever

[sacred ginkgo]

I just call it a misc greater daemon

[rose thorn]

I knew about tailsmen before I knew about warhammer

[arctic talon]

Not a chaos spawn, but it’s some sort of misc daemon bigger then a lesser one

[rose thorn]

man i wanan collect more gsc but i know im not gonna wanna play them lmao

[arctic talon]

If you like them who cares

Don’t need to play 40K tbh

[celest dome]

Isn't it like 30% of miniature buyer don't play any sort of TT

[wintry scarab]

I'd assume Khorne. Im pretty sure Khorne is the only one that directly seeks war while the others indirectly cause it. I may be wrong though.

[celest dome]

Roughly equal, some notable Cults have done quite well though

Like the Blood Pact

[queen laurel]

He's currently the most powerful because of the constant wars but their place in the hierarchy waxes and wanes

[rose thorn]

yeah but it is rough to collect an army i wont play in like 3 years

[arctic talon]

Last given % was 80%

lol

[celest dome]

80% don't play

[arctic talon]

80% of people who bought minatures do not play correct

[celest dome]

Oh damn I might have miss read the 30% as those that have played

[rose thorn]

ah

[arctic talon]

This was in 2020 though

So no clue how that number has changed

lol

[prime seal]

has to be a higher percentage

[wintry scarab]

20% play the game? Ngl, i would have thought it would have been like 5% or less.

[arctic talon]

It’s up

It used to be 10% back in 7e lol

Anyways point being I doubt most people who buy plastic play

[wintry scarab]

I mean i buy minis but i have never intended to play. At least for me, it just seems like it is so much effort for a small payoff. But then again, ive never played and this way of thinking of the game may be uncommon.

[wind zealot]

not uncommon at all

collecting miniatures and painting is the hobby

tournaments are just a place to go and show them off at

[raven stone]

GW rules is horrible anyways

Their weakest part of the business

[queen laurel]

yeah getting into the painting part in of itself is already quite expensive

[wind zealot]

eeeeeh

gw has these events at their stores

[celest dome]

The 40k ones more so

[wind zealot]

where they give you a free mini and teach you how to paint

[prime seal]

to corrupt you into buying primaris intercessors

[queen laurel]

I meant something along the lines of buying miniatures and painting them

[wind zealot]

but as far as hobbies go, you can make it quite cheap long-term, by investing in a resin printer

cheaper than mountain biking or rc anything tbh

[dapper gyro]

But it is not officially recognised by GW.

So you might get slap around if you want to do anything official or commercial.

[dapper gyro]

Not really, the entry fee for mini painting is very low if you start with basic skill.

[prime seal]

how much do you think entry fee is

[dapper gyro]

It does get expensive fast with the skill level you achieve.

[dark moon]

Me, rolling up to my wargamer pal’s house after buying a resin printer and printing out 5 billion cavalry units for my Bretonnian army:

https://tenor.com/view/baldwin-iv-gif-3626834867040292880

[prime seal]

are 3d models that are 1:1 with gw's minis

[dapper gyro]

If you don't go with an airbrush and try to experiment with your skill first.

[prime seal]

you wouldnt use an airbrush for everything either way lol

[dapper gyro]

Then about 100$ for brushes, paint, glues and a few tools.

[prime seal]

and this covers just the stuff you need to paint you think?

a paint set is 35 bucks

[dapper gyro]

Not counting the models. I started with military vehicles, which are more expensive.

[dapper gyro]

Yes

[prime seal]

i'd say you could pay less than 100 for just the tools of the trade imo

[dapper gyro]

It is very cheap.

[dark moon]

My entry fee was about $500 or so for my army / rulebooks and etc.

For paints, I just bought a few for my army scheme. Maybe $50 or so.

Tools and brushes I just bought cheap ones from another hobby store. Don’t need anything fancy.

[prime seal]

yeah the expensive part is buying the plastic you want to paint on lol

[dark moon]

I keep putting off painting them, which annoys me tbh. I’m afraid to make mistakes, so my primed army is just sitting staring at me.

I’ll have to paint them eventually, I know.

[dapper gyro]

Good brushes, tweezers, sandpaper, filler, etc, do add up.

I take the middle line in account, not the cheapest nor most expensive.

God hand brand is 60$ or a pair of pliers is fuckig insane.

[dark moon]

For sure lmao.

[prime seal]

im thinking of getting more nids

but they're annoying as fuck to paint

[arctic talon]

Dont buy GW’s hobby tools lol

They’re good

But overpriced

Also prolly don’t buy the super expensive tamiya ones

[dapper gyro]

https://www.godhandusa.store/products/gh-pn-120-blade-one-nipper

[rose thorn]

i really like army painter tools

[arctic talon]

Orks/j

[prime seal]

paint set not bad though i find the age of sugma one at 20 bucks sometime