40k-lore-chat

[lament shoal]

I like the gooey one

[urban spire]

so many gaming companies have been doing stupid shit lately that i genuinely can't recall what ubisoft did

[opaque coyote]

Projects like XDefiant

[hollow lantern]

I imagine it's not what they did but what they didn't do, which is make a fun game lmfao

[queen laurel]

I like this one

[west pendant]

Ubisoft doesnt innovate, their games play like chores, people are tired of them

[rose thorn]

I changed that once a bit uhh

[opaque coyote]

Skull N Bones

Etc.

[lament shoal]

And the with the blood droplet

[queen laurel]

yeah i still like

[rose thorn]

do you like that one or htis one more

[young pecan]

Probably not the reason why, but I'm cheering personally because they backtracked on making an anti-confederate AC because of current America

[west pendant]

their formula just got super stale, and they use that same formula for every game they put out

[urban spire]

between EA firing everyone to do AI dev and microsoft disemboweling their gaming division and then telling them to make covid levels of profit, i just don't remember what ubisoft did

[queen laurel]

oh this one most definitely this one rocks

[young pecan]

They only wanted to make based media because it would sell, not because it was based

[opaque coyote]

Last game that was semi successful was Farcry 6, released in 2021

[opaque coyote]

This one is a banger

[west pendant]

ac shadows sold well right?

[lament shoal]

I don't think so lol

[rose thorn]

almospt all the symbols hjave the same number of votes now lmao

[hollow lantern]

I want to believe it would be a good AC game but it would probably still be new age rpg lite AC

[lament shoal]

Yeah it didn't sell well at all

[urban spire]

btw i think putting it on a placeholder shield or something would help a lot

[lament shoal]

People hated that game from the get go

[west pendant]

I am patiently waiting for gta 6

rockstar usually delivers

[urban spire]

rockstar delivers at the cost of their devs, no matter how good their games are they are built on ruined lives

[opaque coyote]

I swear if HL3 releases before GTA 6 I will laugh

[hollow lantern]

Im gonna be real I don't think Rockstar has made a stupidly good game since Bully

[west pendant]

well just like warhammer has taught us, theres nothing we can do about it, we are part of the machine

[lament shoal]

Rockstar is a hive city manufactorum???

[rose thorn]

the symbol is mostl ikley going on one of these and porbbably a fwe other little things

[urban spire]

ah that makes sense, still a splash of colour on the background might be good

[rose thorn]

shit the icon ward symbol is printed on

ill have t gifle that down

[west pendant]

I got a super hard question for all the lore nerds out there

[lament shoal]

40k faction logos are typically minimalist. If you're gonna paint it on a model its gonna be a lot harder if it has more details

[burnt maple]

Ask away.

[west pendant]

Without looking it up, how many sons did the emperor of mankind have?

[urban spire]

basically yeah, you know what a "death march" is in game development?

[burnt maple]

You motherfucker.

XDD

[vagrant fox]

at least 9, maybe more

[lament shoal]

I think so

[burnt maple]

It depends.

Boom, gotchu.

[lament shoal]

Overwork the devs to push out the product with no breaks

[hollow lantern]

If you mean primarchs there were 21

[celest dome]

22 arguably

[burnt maple]

Arguably, yes.

[urban spire]

it's when crunch goes on for a year or more

[hollow lantern]

I'm already accounting for Omegon

[celest dome]

And the Angel ?

[west pendant]

Ok how many of those are still alive?

[hollow lantern]

Oh, that thing lmfao

[burnt maple]

Did you account for the proto-primarch whom had to be utterly destroyed?

[hollow lantern]

Ig if you wanna count that

[vagrant fox]

what about the sensei, hundreds of kids

[lament shoal]

20 18

[burnt maple]

About 14.

[celest dome]

5 Chaos, 7 Loyalist ?

[hollow lantern]

Iirc like 7 on either side. Ferrus, Sang, Curze, and Alpharius are dead.

[urban spire]

are daemons technically alive?

[storm jungle]

I mean yes?

they are living breathing beings lol

[west pendant]

why didnt the emperor have any daughters then

[urban spire]

i mean, they're in the thing that passes for an afterlife

[burnt maple]

They just belong to a different plane of existence..

[storm jungle]

because 40k was a setting made to cater to boys at first

lol

[vagrant fox]

g*rls are grody and have cooties

[storm jungle]

theres basically no reason

[celest dome]

He did, the Sensei

[storm jungle]

That isnt canon.

[languid meadow]

something something malcador

[storm jungle]

and those arent primarchs

[vagrant fox]

is too

[storm jungle]

no

[lament shoal]

Ig custodes might count but they aren't primarchs

[vagrant fox]

has a lexicanum page, is canon

[celest dome]

shush

[west pendant]

what constitutes canon? all the books?

[urban spire]

we need the warhammer pope to make a decision

[west pendant]

are the games canon?

[celest dome]

Depend

[urban spire]

warhammer canon is kinda fuzzy

[arctic talon]

Anything pre 2e is 100% non canon

[storm jungle]

All canon, it just can get fuzzy.

[shadow plover]

Everything is canon until it isn't

[lament shoal]

Any warhammer product is canon

[arctic talon]

Everything from rogue trader pretty much got thrown into a pyre

[burnt maple]

Depending on who tells the tale, the canon changes.

[storm jungle]

It doesnt

theres very much like

a set canon lol

[arctic talon]

Aside from anything pre 2e irs(mostly) fair game

Unless GW comes out and retracts something

[storm jungle]

that "everything is canon" statement has always been incorrect

[arctic talon]

Or retcon’d it

[shadow plover]

what do you mean ❌

[arctic talon]

Which is pretty rare

Ironically

[shadow plover]

it's true

[storm jungle]

yeah the setting rarely does huge retcons

its like-

enough to count on 1 hand lol

[arctic talon]

It’s like literally just the Necrons

That’s the only one

[languid meadow]

about to say the only big one I can think of is the necrons

[arctic talon]

Excluding the 1e to 2e transition

Which was fucking huge

[shadow plover]

Were the C.S. Goto books decanonized

[arctic talon]

Yes

They got sent to hell

As they should have been

[languid meadow]

maybe Votann? and the squats that died were only an exclave instead of them all just dying

idk

[urban spire]

even the necron retcon wasn't strictly a retcon right

[storm jungle]

Yeah the non-canon books are like about 4-5

[urban spire]

just more information

[storm jungle]

yeah that too

it wasnt really a huge retcon

the excuses for it were near perfect lol

[languid meadow]

also made them 100% more interesting

[arctic talon]

Sensei are fucking weird

[storm jungle]

Ward really cooked with it

[arctic talon]

GW has made lore for them post RT era

[urban spire]

"people were working with imperfect information, there's actually more to them than the initial judgement"

[storm jungle]

have they lol

[arctic talon]

But most of their lore is from that era

lol

[vagrant fox]

yea

[arctic talon]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Where

[urban spire]

sanji my behated

[storm jungle]

im 99% sure you are gonna say some loose shit that isnt relevant

or is close to what the ywere

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-get-you-gif-1834222127792525549

[languid meadow]

3rd edition has stuff on them

[storm jungle]

3rd edition

💀

[arctic talon]

6e weird ass Italian campaign thing

And 3e having some sensei get exterminated by the salamanders lol

[vagrant fox]

Isn't there something from 6th

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[celest dome]

Are the Watson books not cannon anymore ?

[vagrant fox]

yea the italian thing

[urban spire]

hey 3e has a lot of good ass art

[languid meadow]

the Ian watson stuff is like

[arctic talon]

A chunk of them are not canon

[storm jungle]

Yeah that shit doesnt matter lmao

[arctic talon]

They’re also rogue trader era

So they’re weird

[storm jungle]

They were never canon after awhile

they are infamous for like

being one of the few books that were outright non-canonized

all 3 of theem

[urban spire]

is cs goto canon

[vagrant fox]

no

[arctic talon]

No

[languid meadow]

"who knows Ian maybe this could be my next movie"

[storm jungle]

no

[arctic talon]

He wasn’t canon the moment they released Dawn of war 2

lol

[urban spire]

lmao

[lament shoal]

I once saw a dumbass complaining about how the necrons are "just egyptian robots now." Dude was getting nostalgic over the og dawn of war trailer that mainly showed the mindless necron warrior drones

[storm jungle]

bro

[arctic talon]

So when they were Egyptian robots

[storm jungle]

they were literally egyptian robots pre-retcon

[arctic talon]

With no personality

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

Got it

Alright

[lament shoal]

Exactly lmfao

[storm jungle]

the best part is like

[arctic talon]

If they said they liked chaos androids

[storm jungle]

THE WARRIORS STILL ACT LIKE HOW THEY DO IN THE CINEMATIC

[arctic talon]

I would have respected their opinion more

[languid meadow]

CHAOS ANDROIDS ARE STILL CANON ANYWAY

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

They are, btw lol

[urban spire]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1839950/Terminator_Dark_Fate__Defiance/ here's a game for folks who want to hang out with og necrons

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Price

$39.99

Recommendations

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Metacritic

72

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[languid meadow]

that's what I saidddddd

[storm jungle]

Bile gifts one to some Dark Mechanicum gooners in Genefather

[languid meadow]

I love it

[lament shoal]

I went back to flame the guy for this reason but the comment disappeared so maybe he deleted it or something lol

[arctic talon]

If you were to tier the level of “canonicty” that GW values

Rulebooks 1st
Novels 2nd
Everything else 3rd

[languid meadow]

But yeah necrons post update (fuck you not calling it a retcon) are a billions times better

[arctic talon]

But even then

[storm jungle]

thats kinda whats hilarious to me about Oldcron complainers, literally NOTHING about the necrons is different with their new iteration, they are still legions of silent walking terminator death-skeletons, now their leaders just fucking talk, THATS IT.

[arctic talon]

Whatever

[arctic talon]

They also liked plopping a full ass God on table I guess

lol

[raven stone]

Stomach feeling queasy

[arctic talon]

But that just made it funny when the deciver gets shot to death

[urban spire]

even then the actual rules in rulebooks get immediately sent to hell by literally everything

[arctic talon]

By a tactical marine

Called brother blobiums

[lament shoal]

THEY PUT THEIR GODS IN FUCKING POKEBALLS

https://tenor.com/view/drugbusta1-gif-6615366545959979992

[arctic talon]

The rules are usable out of the book tbf

[storm jungle]

changing the C'tan to be shards is SUCH an ingenius change i cannot even begin to tell you lol, again Ward is a gigabrain.

[languid meadow]

they also changed the C'tan in the fact they're shattered weapons now instead of controlling them (for the most part)

[west pendant]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Warhammer_40,000_novels

are you shitting me

[arctic talon]

No

[storm jungle]

this setting has been around for over 30 years, why are you surprised

[west pendant]

I see why warhammer 40k is called like this

[arctic talon]

But you could reasonably ignore everything pre 2e

[west pendant]

because there are 40k fucking novels

[arctic talon]

And be fine

lol

[languid meadow]

the 40000 hammers

[arctic talon]

Hell even pre 3e

[urban spire]

when i picked up DoW1 i had already been a fiction/rpg fan for some years, when i saw a tactical marine just had a knife and no chainsword i was genuinely surprised

[arctic talon]

3e is the beginning of like

Modern 40K as we know it

[urban spire]

like what do you mean not all marines have chainswords

[raven stone]

It’s around since late 1980s

[arctic talon]

2e is like

[raven stone]

Almost as old as D&D

[arctic talon]

The cocoon phase

Between old RT lore and 3e lore

[urban spire]

some of them are really good, most of them are mid to bad

[languid meadow]

honestly just read the books from your fav faction (unless you're a salamander fan)

[arctic talon]

GW got their start making minis for DnD lol

[lament shoal]

No it's because of the emperor's 40,000 lost warhammers that the space marines have to find in order to finally destroy chaos once and for all

[arctic talon]

Those citadel branded DnD minis are worth a fuck ton as well

lol

[raven stone]

Indeed, and funnily enough I use the odd Fantasy/AoS mini for D&D nowadays.

[urban spire]

anything written by dan abnett is good

[arctic talon]

GW’s sculpting capabilities back then were fucking insane

Compared to the competition

[lament shoal]

The salamander novels weren't that bad

[urban spire]

and you HAVE to read cs goto, he's very important

[arctic talon]

Bad

Stop

[languid meadow]

they're so dry

[arctic talon]

Do not make someone read cs goto

[urban spire]

lmfao

[raven stone]

Lore defilement

[arctic talon]

I’m okay with you recommending literally any other 40K author I’m ngl

Including Ian Watson

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/quan-chi-soyjak-point-mortal-kombat-mortal-kombat-1-gif-14806045804179916337

KILL THEM

[west pendant]

I want to see john warhammer

[vagrant fox]

I can get anyone who wants a preem copy of eldar prophecy by cs goto

[queen laurel]

jesus Cindy who hurt you today

[west pendant]

oh yeah I want to see the space elves I like elves

[storm jungle]

You are in luck, they got like 2-4 good books, most of it is kinda shit

so you will only get to read the good stuff

[hallow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-wargame-fantasy-blinking-serious-gif-16670315

[arctic talon]

Read valedor

[urban spire]

i just think cs goto is really funny

[west pendant]

dilara how many books have you read

[languid meadow]

Grammaticus.....

[arctic talon]

Lowkey path of the eldar isn’t bad

[storm jungle]

Legit over like 200 or so

[arctic talon]

But whatever

[storm jungle]

which isnt that impressive in a 13 year span

but w/e

[lament shoal]

JOOOOOOOHNN FREAKIN' GRAMAAAAAAAAATICUS!!!!!

[arctic talon]

Regrettably I have read all of the Horus heresy

[west pendant]

can you consider yourself a true warhammer 40k fan if you havent read the entire horus heresy?

[storm jungle]

Yes

[lament shoal]

Yes

[arctic talon]

Yes

[urban spire]

self harm

[arctic talon]

And don’t let people tell you otherwise

I did it

Not fucking worth it

[storm jungle]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

[arctic talon]

lol

[languid meadow]

well that's 30k anyway

[lament shoal]

The heresy novels mostly suck from what I have heard

[arctic talon]

Also yeah 30k isn’t 40k

[queen laurel]

yes

[storm jungle]

30k also has like

[arctic talon]

You literally need like

[storm jungle]

noting to do with 40k

[arctic talon]

Almost no knowledge from heresy

[storm jungle]

theres barely any relevance

[arctic talon]

In 40K

[storm jungle]

at all

lol

[arctic talon]

All you need is the bare fucking minimum

Of horse betrayed biggy E

[queen laurel]

you can literally just summarize the events of 30K and your set

[arctic talon]

And then half the marines and primarchs went traitor

That’s it

[languid meadow]

Also him

[young pecan]

Yeah probably unfortunately

[lament shoal]

The horse heresy

[languid meadow]

you must know of him

[urban spire]

i liked that one martian novel in 30k, it was cool

[arctic talon]

Mechanicum is good

But I’m biased

[urban spire]

the one about the schism

[west pendant]

but maybe they show an actual understanding of the lore and how 40k came to be the way it is

[arctic talon]

Not really

You don’t need it

lol

[storm jungle]

it doesnt

[lament shoal]

Future HTP story arc

[hallow plover]

Mechanicum is good

[arctic talon]

You literally just need the cliff notes version

From the core rulebook for 40K

I hate how people try to say the heresy novels are necessary

For understanding 40K

It really isn’t

I would like to state

[languid meadow]

how the modern imperium became like it is post heresy anyway (which we're getting another 50 billion book series focused on that yipie...)

CAN'T WAIT

[arctic talon]

I don’t even dislike the Horus heresy

[sacred ginkgo]

30k is just the marines fight club

[languid meadow]

20 MORE YEARS

[arctic talon]

I just hate people overemphasizing that shit

More then anything

[urban spire]

everyone is going to go completely insane when the new darktide class is revealed to be a ganger with TWO autopistols

[sacred ginkgo]

Its only relevant to imperium lore

[arctic talon]

Not even

[sacred ginkgo]

And even then its only really relevant to marines

[arctic talon]

Again you just need the cliffnites

It’s literally irrelevant

To everyone

[storm jungle]

Also its important to remember the only reason the HH series is so long is because GW did to get the maximum amount of profits from it, in the beginning it was suppose to be like a 15 book series or so, but they bloated it 68 fucking books.

With most just having NOTHING to do with anything or just sidestories that go nowhere, imagine the Star Wars Prequels but Lukas made like 50 movies instead of just 3, its an absolute torture. You can get the entire gist of the Heresy by just reading like 10 to 15 books max and not miss a single thing.

[hallow plover]

After skipping A Thousand Sons i've got this bad boy ready.

[arctic talon]

As in the novel series

[urban spire]

i stg i will go to fatsharks studio in sweden and eat their entire building brick by brick

[arctic talon]

lol

[languid meadow]

skilling

[lament shoal]

Just go watch a bricky video if you wanna learn about the heresy lol

[arctic talon]

Genuinely not important

Regarding the heresy’s minute details

Also the novels aren’t even the best heresy lore imo

The rulebooks are funnier

[hallow plover]

Watch Ian instead of Bricky

[lament shoal]

I refuse

[storm jungle]

Bricky is trash

and so are his gooner fans

[lament shoal]

YOU'RE TRASH

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-arrgh-mr-krabs-flying-dutchman-treasure-hunt-gif-10613794766816553895

[languid meadow]

used gooner

[languid meadow]

time to kill you

[west pendant]

what is age of sigmar

[arctic talon]

Here’s everything you need to know about the heresy to understand 40K

10000 year’s ago the imperium was conquering the galaxy then one of the primarchs(emperors son) turned traitor and turned half the imperium to chaos, he was eventually defeated, but not before seriously injuring The Emperor

[urban spire]

whoever you watch, make sure it's someone who's normal about the tau

[arctic talon]

It’s the main fantasy setting

[storm jungle]

unrelated to 40k and a really long story, stick to 40k for now

[lament shoal]

Sequel to warhammer fantasy

separate from 40k

[languid meadow]

It's better

[urban spire]

going completely insane whenever the tau come up is such a red flag, no pun intended

[lament shoal]

Different universe

[west pendant]

you need another lifetime to get into warhammer it seems

[storm jungle]

you dont

warhammer seems vast on the surface

but its shallow as a puddle

lol

[urban spire]

it's a wide hobby, not a deep one

[arctic talon]

There’s some deep stuff

But it’s wide

Mostly

[west pendant]

thats heresy and you know it

[arctic talon]

lol

[lament shoal]

Imma drink the puddle

[west pendant]

or should I say

[wintry cloud]

What is this from

[west pendant]

its a horus heresy

[arctic talon]

As someone who’s been in this hobby for like 11 fucking years not really

💀

[languid meadow]

90% of stories of 40k don't matter the major events are in one novel and are talked to death abou t

[storm jungle]

Battlefleet Gothic 2

[lament shoal]

LMAO

[urban spire]

otoh if i see one more person spell astronomican wrong i'll shit their pants

[rose thorn]

super high fantasy setting that is a sorta kinda sequal to old world after it exploded

[west pendant]

I cant still fathom how the fuck did they write 60 horus heresy novels

[arctic talon]

Money

[west pendant]

people must have bought them like hot cakes

[arctic talon]

Also a lot of them are like meandering

[vagrant fox]

You start reading the Horus Heresy with Horus Rising and if you know what's good for you, you end with Galaxy in Flames

[lament shoal]

Dilara look at this absolutely majestic and cinematic ass clip I got in rdr2

[hallow plover]

Space marines sells. Primarchs too

[languid meadow]

just read wolftime and you're set

best novel

[hallow plover]

Simple as

[burnt maple]

lmao

[arctic talon]

Anyways did you guys see the latest valrak slop

[west pendant]

Someone needs to make a warhammer mmo

like dude

[lament shoal]

I be out here enjoying nature and shit

[arctic talon]

There was one and it died

[west pendant]

its gonna be a moneyprinting machine

[arctic talon]

[languid meadow]

There's been multiple

[arctic talon]

It was for whfb

[storm jungle]

goddamn thats good

you're a good man... Captain Morgan

[west pendant]

oh i see there was a fantasy warhammer mmo

[urban spire]

IS

[storm jungle]

there was a 40k one as well

it flopped

[west pendant]

well yeah no shit it died, it tried to compete with wow

[lament shoal]

Bad to the bone riff

[arctic talon]

The fate of all MMOs

[urban spire]

p sure the warhammer mmo is alive in fan servers

[west pendant]

world of warcraft another huge media franchise goddammit

[hallow plover]

No, we need a new 40k MOBA

[west pendant]

ill take it

[urban spire]

mefense of be ancients

[shadow plover]

only very dedicated people play mmo's and they all already have an mmo to be dedicated to, no use attempting to create a new one

[west pendant]

Unless you have a huge franchise to backitup

like warhammer

[rose thorn]

bad lore = good mmo

[west pendant]

I feel like if they do it again they will be super succesful

[urban spire]

anyway the 40k battlefield-like was pretty good, even if it was ugly as hell

[west pendant]

OMG a 40k battlefield-like

[urban spire]

shame it died such an ugly death

it was just marines, chaos, orks and eldar

[hollow lantern]

Tbh eternal crusade was kinda dog

Like it was conceptually cool but in practice it was such a poorly balanced game lmfao

[urban spire]

yeah, that's not why it died though

[storm jungle]

Eternal Crusader?

more like uhhh

Eternal Mimirder

[hollow lantern]

Tbf I think that game died in the womb

[urban spire]

probably

[hollow lantern]

They way overshot trying to make planetside 2 but 40k

Then it became big multiplayer sm1

[urban spire]

everything looked like it was made of plastic, it was so unpleasant to look at

[hollow lantern]

Tbh that had a charm for me cause it felt like playing the TT models

[urban spire]

i had a lot of fun playing it, even if it ran like hot ass

[lament shoal]

I wanna play chaos gate ngl

I loved rogue trader so I think I'd like chaos gate too

[celest dome]

warhammer MMO and other games end up stifled by GW, so it isn't that much worth doing

[urban spire]

i think if someone made another battlefield 40k it'd probably succeed these of days, even with poor balance and ugly graphics, 40k is just more mainstream these of days

[west pendant]

I hope the warhammer games will go on sale around christmas, im gonna buy a bunch of them

[rose thorn]

warhammer underworlds fans are fucking insane 💀 ( @queen laurel )

[west pendant]

I like more playing in this setting than actually reading about it

[lament shoal]

Most games usually do when there's a steam sale

[urban spire]

most of them aren't good

[west pendant]

ive played rogue trader, darktide, and space marine 1 so far

and they are all bangers

[lament shoal]

I can't wait for dark heresy

[urban spire]

warhammer 40k inquisitor is only good if you REALLY like diablo type gameplay

mechanicus is fantastic, get that one

[hollow lantern]

Battlefleet Gothica is good if you like naval stuff tbh

[lament shoal]

Its all turn based gameplay in the end

[urban spire]

dawn of war 1 and 2, battlefleet gothic 1 and 2

[lament shoal]

Makes no difference to me

[hollow lantern]

I like Hired Gun but a lot of people don't seem to

[urban spire]

gothic 2 has its haters but it's a fine game

[shadow plover]

Hired Gun more like Hired POOP FROM A BUTT

[urban spire]

gothic 1 can be difficult to get to run on modern computers for some reason

[lament shoal]

Shootas blood and teef was a very fun and entertaining platformer

[urban spire]

hired gun is shlock but it's fun

it's eurojank warhammer

[hollow lantern]

Shootas, blood, and teef is good if you want to kill like 2 hours

[lament shoal]

Yeah its a good game to keep yourself occupied with if you've got nothing to do

[hollow lantern]

Idk if it being so short is even like, bad

[lament shoal]

Its not

[urban spire]

the guys who made hired gun REALLY know how to design 40k setpieces though

[prime seal]

thats a minority though

gothic 2 is really beloved

[hollow lantern]

Streumon are good tbh

They get 40k

[queen laurel]

awesome

[hollow lantern]

Their games are just kinda esoteric to breach sometimes

[urban spire]

i am a longtime appreciator of eye divine cybermancy

[hollow lantern]

Same

[queen laurel]

funny i made an age of sigmar a soulbound character like this

[urban spire]

but i would not accuse streumon of being good exactly lmao

[hollow lantern]

Nah like

They definitely make inspired stuff i feel

[urban spire]

their ideas are too big, they can't follow through on their vision

but they get enough in there that you can feel it

[rose thorn]

oooo

[hollow lantern]

Tbf I think that's better than "another ue5 game"

Idk i like their stuff

I still like Deathwing assuming I can get friends on

[queen laurel]

one of the archetypes

Boingrot Bounder

[urban spire]

yeah but that's a wild thing to say in 2025, this year's been fucking packed with incredible indie titles

[hollow lantern]

Like?

[prime seal]

triple A too

this was a good year

[hollow lantern]

I genuinely can't think of anything that's come out this year that I've been super into

[rose thorn]

icee

[urban spire]

silksong, just off the top of my head

[hollow lantern]

Silksong isnt in ue5 iirc

[urban spire]

oh i meant in general, not just ue

[queen laurel]

Dispatch is also good

[urban spire]

white knuckle

[rose thorn]

man i wanan gsc-ify this so bad lol

[prime seal]

Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 better win something at the game awards

or i'll nuke them

[hollow lantern]

I think the genuine only game telltale has made that i like is wolf among us

[urban spire]

project silverfish, that one's sick as hell

[hollow lantern]

Was this 2025?

[prime seal]

i didnt play expedition 33 but i dont think it would dethrone hades 2 as best indie game of the year 4 me

[urban spire]

yeah silksong is not my game of the year, that was just the first thing off the dome

[prime seal]

calling expedition 33 indie is weird

[celest dome]

That's mainly cause indie has lost its meaning

[prime seal]

that game had a bigger budget than the latest pokemon

by a large margin

[urban spire]

did caves of qud hit 1.0 this year or last year? cause that's an alltime banger

[celest dome]

Budget doesn't have impact with being independent

[prime seal]

december of last year

[urban spire]

ah, well, honorable mention then

[celest dome]

By strict definition, FS is indie, as they're their own publisher

[urban spire]

does it count when the company is publicly traded?

[prime seal]

is mina the hollower coming out this year

ffs get to releasing that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/697168827712143465/1433724546480869396/image0.gif

[arctic talon]

Indie is a vibes based thing tbh

Nowadays

The literal definition of self published is a rotting corpse

[urban spire]

beyond citadel is a game you should not play or even look at if you're not a lesbian over the age of 30 with some really refined tastes, but it is very good

[prime seal]

bro what

2030?

[arctic talon]

This year has been good for games for me at least

[prime seal]

why lol

[hollow lantern]

I think KCD2 is the only game that's come out this year that I've both played and enjoyed

[urban spire]

uh

[prime seal]

its just a boomer shooter

[urban spire]

it's very

[prime seal]

boomer shootery?

[rose thorn]

about as long as shovel kngiht took lmao

[celest dome]

@storm jungle If you can't react on one's post its cause they've blocked you right ?

[urban spire]

it's horny in a way that's difficult to explain to het people

don't take me too seriously saying this

[west pendant]

space marine 1 is dead on multiplayer

[urban spire]

it sure is

[arctic talon]

Yes

[urban spire]

that shit's peer to peer

[arctic talon]

Queer to queer

[celest dome]

Fairly
Like its age old

[prime seal]

i played it

[celest dome]

Lol

[urban spire]

do you see where i'm coming from though

[west pendant]

im playing the remake

[arctic talon]

Anyways any year with a monster hunter game release is good because I’m a shill I like monster hunter

[prime seal]

was disappointed because the way people were talking about it i thought it was the second coming of BLOOD

[urban spire]

no yeah it's kinda niche, it's for a specific kind of nerd

[prime seal]

i mean youre right ig i felt nothing sexual playing it

[urban spire]

i fucking love repacking my mags

[storm jungle]

Yeah it is

did Fash block you too lmao

[prime seal]

https://tenor.com/view/system-shock-hacker-system-shock-hacker-the-hacker-smiley-gif-3734152319356149294

it's time you play

the og the goat the one and only

[storm jungle]

Did I miss something

did he argue with someone again lol

[prime seal]

system shock

[urban spire]

YOU THINK I DIDN'T?

[arctic talon]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/GxdjtDdWIAA19YB.gif

[celest dome]

Dunno, no idea if I have been blocked today or since long ago

[storm jungle]

Its nothing new yeah, hes pretty touchy

[prime seal]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[storm jungle]

I should prob perma-time him out since he has me on Ignore

(which is against the rules but lol)

[prime seal]

i own system shock in all of its iterations physically

[urban spire]

no he's nice to me

[storm jungle]

Its too late

🫡

[arctic talon]

Anyways Capcom made the exact same mistakes with MH Wilds that they did with world

Which is funny

[prime seal]

i skipped wilds

[queen laurel]

and what is that

[rose thorn]

so far thisone has the most votes in term of gsc, symbols

[arctic talon]

Shit performance on PC + lower end consoles and the total lack of a proper difficulty curve. Both got rushed out early

[queen laurel]

damn

[arctic talon]

They’re also again, fixing optimization in the 4th title update

It fucking rhymes

[languid meadow]

Can't wait for the DLC and everyone complains about it being too hard

[urban spire]

it's a shame because the ecology aspects of world and wilds really made me fall in love with the series again

[arctic talon]

It’s better then base world was in its current title update cycle tbh

[celest dome]

Mirror the GSC symbol to it bite the exterior of the eye but remain inside of the skull ? Could look quite cool

[languid meadow]

Alatreon come back to me darling I need your armour in the wilds engine

[arctic talon]

Wilds as of TU3 is a way better game

[prime seal]

nah i just dont wanna get addicted dawg, that endgame does things to u

[arctic talon]

Then world as of TU3

[arctic talon]

LOL fair

Anyways I hope wilds bounces back eventually

[urban spire]

i haven't touched wilds since they released an update that came with instructions for how not to make it crash

[arctic talon]

It’s not even bad as a game but performance is so shit rn

I literally cannot recommend it

[arctic talon]

They fixed the crash

And introduced a new one

And then fixed that one

[queen laurel]

That's crazy, anyway you know i'm just gonna be getting this right

[arctic talon]

10/10 Capcom

[queen laurel]

like i have played every single monster hunter stories by far

[arctic talon]

New stories looks good

Except for the story bit locked behind a launch dlc

I will not support that shit lol

[urban spire]

i grew up with shit computers so i have a lot of tolerance for 30 fps but even i have limits

[queen laurel]

oh yeah nah that's bad

[urban spire]

i won't go back to living in the 15 fps wasteland

[arctic talon]

Anyways here’s to TU4 fixing performance

And also adding gog

[queen laurel]

I do love the fact that as the stories go on you go from being a kid to being like a proper sized human

[arctic talon]

MH4U was my first monster hunter game

So it’s funny to see Gog come back

[arctic talon]

MH stories 4 you’re going to be playing a divorced 50 year old having a midlife crisis

At this rate

[prime seal]

is it available at launch though?

[arctic talon]

Yes

That’s my issue with it

lol

It’s stupid, it’s bad practice

And Capcom should not be supported for it

[queen laurel]

with the 4th rathalos again

[prime seal]

how do you buy the new pokemon game knowing youre getting cucked out of the postgame and you'll have to wait for it to be released unfinished

bruh what i cant react

[urban spire]

why have you become magenta?

[storm jungle]

They prob have you blocked

[prime seal]

boosted the server

[storm jungle]

lol

[arctic talon]

Boomster

[urban spire]

ah i see

[arctic talon]

I don’t have anyone on this server blocked

Smh my head

[storm jungle]

Gay as hell

ban this guy

[prime seal]

its not just you i cant react anyone

[arctic talon]

Weird

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

lol

wtf

[storm jungle]

okay thats funny

[prime seal]

nor use my emotes

[storm jungle]

Id love to help

[urban spire]

i'm sure i've blocked someone in the class channels

[storm jungle]

but he dosnt see my messages

so uhhh too bad

[celest dome]

Do you need to have the convict tag to be able to react ?

[storm jungle]

anyway

do people still play the pokemon games

[celest dome]

Cause he lost it for a minute

[storm jungle]

Oh right

[vagrant fox]

Unfortunately, yes

[storm jungle]

is that why lol

[rose thorn]

its a really hard fit, plus it looks kinda silly

[storm jungle]

Gay as hell.

[vagrant fox]

idk why it's been the same game since the first one on a loop

[prime seal]

its pretty annoying

[celest dome]

No meant only 1, and have the mouth bite the eye from the outside instead of the nose side

[rose thorn]

OHHHHHHHHHH

[urban spire]

scp-173 with huge naturals

[storm jungle]

Whats the issue again exactly?

cant post?

[lament shoal]

They're unable to use reactions on people's messages

[storm jungle]

Discord karma moment

anyway ill look into it

[rocky gale]

Everyone must have blocked him

[storm jungle]

LOL

[prime seal]

not just that, i cant use my emotes either, wait i'm gonna unmute her

[celest dome]

Someone ask him if he left the server and returned today

[prime seal]

no it would still let you select it

[storm jungle]

What does unmuting me have to do with anything lol

also again, against the rules

anyway im looking at it now

[rose thorn]

looks kinda chaosy?

[celest dome]

I love it though

[storm jungle]

It doesnt look chaos'y at all

[rose thorn]

lol

[storm jungle]

gay ass

[prime seal]

i like the first one betta

[rose thorn]

me too tbh

[storm jungle]

Anyway should be fixed

https://tenor.com/view/slow-turtle-dog-riding-gif-16227643

[rocky gale]

Now quick block her again

[prime seal]

i never unmuted to begin with

[storm jungle]

KEK

I think im gonna toss you into solitary at this point

[lament shoal]

why did he mute you anyways lol

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

hold on lemme get it

#theorycrafting message

[celest dome]

Was due to the GK decree stuff

[storm jungle]

They were crashing out about the Terminus Decree ruining the lore

[celest dome]

Wait

[storm jungle]

and being very hostile

I told em to chill and they went crazy lol

[queen laurel]

1 time we were having fun in theory chat and he just like went on a crash out over something small

[celest dome]

Did he block at the same time too

[storm jungle]

Probably?

I dont really care either way tbh, it was just weird lol

[lament shoal]

Ah gotcha

[celest dome]

Shit didn't even realise till today

[lament shoal]

Lmao

[urban spire]

what's the terminus decree?

[prime seal]

we don't talk about the terminus decree

[outer wave]

Basically the order that the Emperor gave to the Grey Knights in cases the Custodes went weird

[queen laurel]

You know that thing that the grey knights have

[outer wave]

I think

[urban spire]

uh oh

[urban spire]

oh right, well fuck em

[cerulean wagon]

that'd be a discord issue, or they have been blocking/blocked by people

[storm jungle]

Yeah I fixed it dont worry

[prime seal]

no it was server related

[storm jungle]

they were very grateful

[prime seal]

it got fixed

[celest dome]

Nah if the Emp rose back they got to put him down

[rose thorn]

do design is quite liked

[queen laurel]

Yeah so this mysterious things contents have been revealed and that it just boils down to

kill the emperor if he comes back

[celest dome]

They had lost the Convict tag, probably cause they left/rejoined back

[queen laurel]

which was dumb but we kind of ignored it

[rocky gale]

It was the latest minor detail for people to freak out over

[queen laurel]

yes

[urban spire]

the grey knights would be way cooler if they existed some thousands of years ago but got wiped out

[cerulean wagon]

oh ye if u leave u lose perms and have to wait

[urban spire]

and all that was left was artifacts

[vagrant fox]

It's just a boring reveal to something that doesn't matter, it doesn't matter

[cerulean wagon]

just how it be

[urban spire]

that'd be sick as hell

[prime seal]

i didnt leave

[daring creek]

Dilara revealed as homophobic

[prime seal]

its dumb but yeah the codex was just ass

[storm jungle]

then it was probably a discord or server error, again fixed it for you

[prime seal]

that shit is dogshit

just kill all the grey knights already

[queen laurel]

i don't think he's even listening to you

[celest dome]

Does the bot work again ? Cause it used to not work for returners

[storm jungle]

Nah he is

[cerulean wagon]

i wish they were dead too

[storm jungle]

literally nobody cant resist clicking on the Ignore messages

its like a universal discord rule

[prime seal]

one day

[urban spire]

yeah that is my diplomatic way of saying they should be retconned out of existence

[prime seal]

when gw stops making money off of them

[storm jungle]

Which they never will, GK are neat

[rocky gale]

GK gonna get their refresh next edition, trust

Any day now

[cerulean wagon]

gonna ask u unmute em, just general server rule don't mute/ignore mods so we can actually tell you when you fuck up

[celest dome]

[cerulean wagon]

fuck if i know haven't heard any complaints recently tho

[celest dome]

Watch them mute Skeledad too

[storm jungle]

Lmao skelly

[rocky gale]

Is it against the rules if I mute all the mods before they tell me it's against the rules to mute them?

[prime seal]

alright

[storm jungle]

Possibly....

[storm jungle]

You can just ignore my existence as it is dont worry about it

the shit you ignored me over is like months ago

anyway

[urban spire]

muting is a way to highlight and make the messages of your haters extra visible

[prime seal]

oh no it wasnt that

[storm jungle]

I dun remember so

[storm jungle]

discord mute/block option sucks balls anyway

[urban spire]

a special dropdown menu message appearing in the middle of the normal chat? irresistable, you HAVE to click it

[storm jungle]

I once got one that removes the messages of people you put off

and it just bugged out and destroyed my program 💀

[prime seal]

hell nah if i mute or block its specifically because i dont like reading it

[urban spire]

yeah i'm being facetious or something

idk, i'm always using facetious wrong

[storm jungle]

People who block/ignore users 100% always read the messages

[prime seal]

facetianous*

[storm jungle]

even if its like 1 or 2

its human nature, its very difficult not to lol

the urge to press the buttons is strong 🫡

also before i forget

[storm jungle]

Still cannot fucking believe they updated the dreadknight

literal nuclear holocaust tier atrocity

[rocky gale]

A Fucking upgrade sprue

[queen laurel]

It wasn't even a good update

[storm jungle]

WAIT WHAT

ITS A SPRUE?

[queen laurel]

yeah

[storm jungle]

💀

[queen laurel]

It's an upgrade sprue

[rocky gale]

It's not even an updated model, it's just an upgrade sprue that adds an extra weapon option

[storm jungle]

I THOUGHT IT WAS A NEW MODEL

[rocky gale]

It was a pointless update

[storm jungle]

it was the way they revealed it too

[rocky gale]

Absolutely worthless

[storm jungle]

i was like "what am i looking at"

[urban spire]

grey knights were involved in sisters of battle being downgraded to weird remote monastery or something, idr

i think it's largely been changed back now anyway

[queen laurel]

that why GK got absolutely railroaded

[storm jungle]

no they were involved in slaughtering them for blood

[queen laurel]

just an upgrade sqrue

[urban spire]

didn't the retcon happen in the same novel? this shit happened so long ago

[prime seal]

no they did that to outkhorne khorne daeomons, and no its still canon

[urban spire]

grrrreat

grey knights of khorne alive and well

[prime seal]

"we needed their blood" vs "WE'RE GONNA KILL THEM BEFORE YOU"

[daring creek]

Adderall: Taken.

Did someone say blood

[prime seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/971806006432641086/1432047015105270004/1704319137825851.gif

no

[daring creek]

Listen my Adderall doesn't make me sane it just makes me more talkative!

[daring creek]

But you just said blood!

[storm jungle]

It wasnt a novel it was a codex

[urban spire]

well shit ok

[storm jungle]

and they made it so that they use the blood of sisters who are ALREADY dead

so its more tolerable rn

[prime seal]

no?

[storm jungle]

Ward admitted he only did it to make the GK seem evil

which i completely get

[daring creek]

.

[west pendant]

OMG boltgun loooks so funn

I love doom shooters

[storm jungle]

it was an honest mistake and he apologised so its good for me lol

[daring creek]

first one is not very good

[storm jungle]

[urban spire]

oh that's chill then

[daring creek]

boltgun 2 might be different

[storm jungle]

yeah its shitty but the fact that he apologised is enough for me lol

[urban spire]

actually i'm totally behind making the GK seem evil

but maybe like

[prime seal]

boltgun 2 is gonna be the same dogshit but you get to play as a sororitas with better melee

[daring creek]

Reason why I don't like boltgun is gameplay genuinely does not change

[prime seal]

we're getting a map too

[west pendant]

warhammer funs eating good, you got dark heresy, you got boltgun 2, dawn of war 4, mechanicus 2

[storm jungle]

they've always been pretty evil for the stuff they gotta do but their OG codex was really pushing the edgelord boundries, the Sister blood thing was one of them lol

[urban spire]

don't make the all male faction wear the all female faction members as literal hats

[storm jungle]

LOL yeah

again he apologized so its fine, and it got retconned to something better

[prime seal]

i'd like to tell you its just boomer shooters but nah its a boltgun issue

[daring creek]

You also have darktide which is the only game to ever exist

[storm jungle]

he did not meant for it to be demeaning

[daring creek]

I've had more fun playing actual doom than Boltgun really

[urban spire]

yeah beyond citadel grows horizontally as well as vertically

for example.

[west pendant]

warhammer open world game

[daring creek]

No.

[prime seal]

brother, no shit DOOM is the og

[urban spire]

that's rogue trader

[prime seal]

set in 1st edition 40k

you play as biff thundrish

[urban spire]

i actually really fucking want to play some tabletop rogue trader now

[prime seal]

and his buddies lexandros and whatshisname

[urban spire]

as in the ttrpg, not 1e 40k

[west pendant]

doom is soooo much fun

[daring creek]

Doom is even more fun with mods and wads

[prime seal]

Yeremi

no wonder i forgot his name it sucks

[urban spire]

yeah i need some extra spice to enjoy doom

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-genshin-impact-kiss-doom-doom-eternal-gif-26144053

[urban spire]

just doom is like going to an indian restaurant and ordering mild

[prime seal]

i wish they rereleased first edition 40k as a one off

big ass boxset with minis of mutants too

[urban spire]

gorkamorka

[prime seal]

but gw is a small independent company located in the slums of britland

[daring creek]

Give gw more money

with tips

[prime seal]

im buying darkwaters and the new necromunda stuff and then i'll tell gw to fuck off

necromunda

[urban spire]

gw exists to make ips that other, more competent companies with less fucked priorities can make into something good

[prime seal]

you say this but the tau have no gunplas?

[daring creek]

I play a doom mod that allows me to double jump

[prime seal]

wtf

[daring creek]

:3

[urban spire]

tau have no gunplas YET

[prime seal]

you shouldnt be jumping to begin with

[daring creek]

Why not

I can get secrets faster

[prime seal]

they'll never get gunplas

[daring creek]

and kill

[prime seal]

gw will look at bandais proper models and run away

[urban spire]

someone else will have to make them of course

[prime seal]

he made that based on a barbatos?

[daring creek]

Tau? More like poo..

[urban spire]

where there's a will there's a way

[prime seal]

oh nah thats a different vid

[urban spire]

you know i take real issue with the folks who think the tau don't fit into 40k, they're fucking perfect for 40k

[prime seal]

thanks google

[prime seal]

they got ruined

[daring creek]

Thanks google ai*

:3

[prime seal]

i really dont like the grimdark aspect of the tau

[prime seal]

you use MY TOOLS against ME

https://tenor.com/view/bald-haircut-meme-smack-gif-17673522996508069582

[arctic talon]

It’s just a bunch of propaganda and authoritarian state stuff

It’s fine imo

[urban spire]

it's a solid criticism of how communist countries degrade into authoritarian shitscapes

[arctic talon]

It’s a very fun diffrent flavor

They’re not communist ever though

[urban spire]

not criticism

depiction

[arctic talon]

They were an oligarchy from the start

The ethereals are oligarchic

[prime seal]

communism is when you have a caste system

[arctic talon]

If not outright facist

[daring creek]

The tau are red so they're communist

Anything painted red is communist

There's communism in our bodies.

[urban spire]

red cars are communist

[prime seal]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-ork-railgun-let-me-shoot-my-railgun-gif-9874737770595198769

[urban spire]

that's why they work better

[arctic talon]

The farsight enclaves are my favorite communist military junta micronation

[storm jungle]

based

[urban spire]

this car is perfect, it has never been beaten

[daring creek]

I don't like its face

Bitch is ugly

[prime seal]

me too man

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

oh shit

[prime seal]

https://tenor.com/view/commander-farsight-warhammer40k-tau-empire-tau-gif-16294167

[storm jungle]

its that car from Better Call Saul in the back......

[rose thorn]

its kinda magical

[urban spire]

idk didn't watch it

[storm jungle]

fucking RAT

[rose thorn]

sans type beat ig?

[daring creek]

Ah the drug dealer mobile lmfao

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah

"Im not getting in that car."

[urban spire]

🐀

[rose thorn]

is there a type of planet that tries to breed psykers

?

i feel liek theer is

but im not sure

[storm jungle]

Not really no

[arctic talon]

No

[storm jungle]

because thats a recipe for disaster

LOL

[urban spire]

therapy

[storm jungle]

AUUGH

[rose thorn]

fair lol

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[storm jungle]

ones exist for like-

Blanks

since they dont summon daemons

but psykers no lol

HOWEVER

Some planets can have a large population of psykers depending on plot nonsense

[urban spire]

chaos types breed all kinds of stuff, you can probably find that shit in the eye of terror

[daring creek]

Psykers are despised because they're basically ticking timebombs right

[urban spire]

well, could

actually are there still planets in the eye of terror? i don't know what the situation is like in there since the cicatrix

[rose thorn]

addiitonally this cult could spread via mysticism and shit

instead

[celest dome]

Didn't a planet have like a load of Psyker by design before/during the Grand Crusade ?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

There’s a lot of planets in the eye of terror

And great rift

As for the quality of life on those planets

Uhhhh

[storm jungle]

The Eye is basically infinit eyea

[urban spire]

are they habitable, or is it a daemon world type situation

[arctic talon]

[arctic talon]

Depends on the world

[rose thorn]

planet really liked fortune telling and imperial tarot, genestealer got in and the cult caused all the fortunes to turn out tyranids/star children

[urban spire]

the ffg black crusade books were great for information on what chaos'd up planets are actually like

[storm jungle]

yeah its very fun

since they can just be anything weird lol

LIKE A FAT DUDE

[urban spire]

genestealer cults technically breed psykers :)

[rose thorn]

i know

[urban spire]

yeah i aint lecturing, just being facetious

[storm jungle]

No breeding allowed

❌

[rose thorn]

"ah fuck all our fortunes are turning doom"
"oh the genestealer cult's fortunes show asension into a higher power and paradise, lets follow them"

[outer wave]

No... race mixing either... ?

[storm jungle]

💀 💀 💀

WHAT

[vagrant fox]

post the anime girl telling people to stop getting pregnant

[rose thorn]

HUH

[outer wave]

IM SORRY

[vagrant fox]

wait what

[outer wave]

I just remembered a meme

[storm jungle]

AAAAA