Most people mix up authoritism with fascism
#40k-lore-chat
near wasp
arctic talon
My bad for using the word facism in that context
lament shoal
Which is why the intended state of communism is never going to work in a million years
arctic talon
Anyways point being they’re all authoritarian, and now they’re just socdem capitalists at best aside from like
Idk fucking North Korea?
near wasp
Government sucks
arctic talon
I mean the US is pretty much communist
Not really
humble shoal
the losses are subsidized, gains are priuvatized
daring creek
I think people just mean authoritative prick when they say fascist
urban spire
putting on my post-leftist anarchist hat communist nations as a rule degrade into authoritarian state capitalism under the pretense of centralizing in order to build the REAL communism, and while that is undeniably bad, they DO generally run their shit competently
humble shoal
the corporations are the state after citizens united
arctic talon
It’s a self perpetuating loop
urban spire
as opposed to fascists who run their shit into the ground in short order
humble shoal
so I guess its syberpunk
remote wadi
Yes that's why I voted to make a 3 way government
storm jungle
Yes that's why I voted to make a 3 way government
no
daring creek
fucked by the government in 3 ways? hot
near wasp
Yes!
humble shoal
We should make the presidency a battle royale
arctic talon
And all the small ones don’t matter
remote wadi
fucked by the government in 3 ways? hot
More like we have a taste of both left right and centralism with enough percentage to be relevant
humble shoal
arctic talon
*putting on my post-leftist anarchist hat* communist nations as a rule degrade i...
The only irl “communist” red authoritarian nation that never hit a speed bump would be Vietnam
daring creek
https://tenor.com/view/rick-gumball-skip-to-the-end-gif-15453179
in the context of 40k I think the emperor should've done this.
arctic talon
Imo
urban spire
The only irl “communist” red authoritarian nation that never hit a speed bump wo...
THEY STILL PURGED THE ANARCHISTS
arctic talon
Obviously
urban spire
lmao
arctic talon
Can’t have competitors smh
The USSR was fucked from the start
And had so many speed bumps it might as well be a pot hole filled road
And China had the incident
urban spire
they had a real shaky foundation tbf
humble shoal
And China had **the incident**
China had several
arctic talon
It was l authoritarian immediately after the first election
humble shoal
glf was like 40 years
arctic talon
It’s part of the parties “30% wrong” ideology
humble shoal
arctic talon
Regarding Mao
remote wadi
China is not truly communist in pratice
arctic talon
It’s not
paper haven
Very efficiently killed millions of people that time
humble shoal
it was
arctic talon
None of the irl “communist” nations are
remote wadi
They are a capitalist state with extra steps
humble shoal
None of the irl “communist” nations are
Their an oligarchy*
daring creek
The Ideal Democracy is one where Demoman makes all of the decisions.
arctic talon
Authoritarian oligarchy hell
humble shoal
the granDson of mao is a 4 star general with an IQ OF LIKE 60
paper haven
Communism is technically impossible to achieve, but China was definitely communist during the Great leap forward
remote wadi
The ideal democracy is a democracy where people vote for campaigns not influence
But good luck making it true
arctic talon
Communism is technically impossible to achieve, but China was definitely communi...
They tried and failed horribly I’d say lol
paper haven
Many such cases
arctic talon
And also they never stopped black market capitalism
arctic talon
Communism has literally never worked above 100 people lol
humble shoal
anyway next class is an obese carcharadon serf
remote wadi
In reality and practice it's distopia
paper haven
It turns out that in order to make a utopia, someone must also live in a dystopia
daring creek
My political system that would definitely work is called "Put me in charge and do not question me."
urban spire
My political system that would definitely work is called "Put me in charge and d...
stalinism
arctic talon
My political system that would definitely work is called "Put me in charge and d...
Authoritarian moment
daring creek
No it'snot
arctic talon
Everyone wants to be in charge
remote wadi
And I realized it doesn't work
arctic talon
daring creek
It's called Missusism
arctic talon
And do everything
remote wadi
Lies I don't wanna be in charge
remote wadi
I like anonymity
arctic talon
I think there’s enough evidence of that historically
paper haven
It's called Missusism
Gonna need to focus group test that name
humble shoal
I think the world should be governed by a string of secret societies
daring creek
See other people in charge is bad. Me being in charge is good. Because I know whats best objectively.
remote wadi
My perfect government is impossible to create
I wanted equal base with merit differences
daring creek
As long as you regard me with praise 24/7 it'll go smoothly.
remote wadi
And that is impossible
daring creek
Haters will be found.
arctic talon
Insert a joke about meritocracy
remote wadi
Cause the majority aren't effective workers
paper haven
Communism works at a small scale, beyond that it disintegrates
I don't even think it works on the small scale.
The core premise of dismantling hierarchy and reducing everyone to purely even standing is damn near impossible.
Someone has to be in charge, even if it's a committee.
arctic talon
I don't even think it works on the small scale.
The core premise of dismantling...
The committee being everyone works at a small scale
Emphasis small
There’s irl communes that worked at around 100 people
dapper gyro
Haters will be found.
What will you do to them?
arctic talon
But they ended up disintegrating due to disinterest from the people to continue it
paper haven
Hoa's are authoritarian if you let them get that way
urban spire
I don't even think it works on the small scale.
The core premise of dismantling...
plenty of horizontal organizations, worker coops for one
paper haven
plenty of horizontal organizations, worker coops for one
Unions definitely help to ensure workers rights are protected, sure.
dapper gyro
Universal insurance is another one
urban spire
no i mean worker owned organizations, like everyone who works at a place is an equal share owner and has an equal say
dapper gyro
Socialism is a more liberal version of communism, and it does work well aside from having the infinite growth of capitalism.
remote wadi
no i mean worker owned organizations, like everyone who works at a place is an e...
Oh most of that time that isn't real
Nvidia gives shares to workers
The workers collective share is still lower than the owner
urban spire
nvidia is publicly traded, coops aren't
remote wadi
Fair
remote wadi
Socialism is a more liberal version of communism, and it does work well aside fr...
Socialism isn't perfect
Portugal is a socialist society
Our economy is trash
humble shoal
the number 1 hedge fund is a worker coop
arctic talon
Do we count the cult owned companies as co-ops lol
urban spire
absolutely not lmao
urban spire
cults are SO VERTICAL
dapper gyro
Socialism isn't perfect
Exactly what I wrote...
A strong economy demands a focused capitalism mindset.
remote wadi
I'm just saying turns out rewarding people just for existing creates lazier people
(we have plenty people that make the conscious choice not to work due to social payments being enought for people that have a family support system)
dapper gyro
That's a more radial version of socialism, which is close to communism.
urban spire
laziness aint real
dapper gyro
The system in some other places is more liberal, giving different outcomes.
arctic talon
Culture also matters
urban spire
i can't work because of mental illness, it suuuucks
arctic talon
For the idea of “laziness”
arctic talon
i can't work because of mental illness, it suuuucks
That’s not being lazy
remote wadi
Laziness exists
arctic talon
That’s called having a mental illness which needs treatment and time
urban spire
you know how summer vacation can feel a bit too long sometimes when you're a kid? people need work to be people
remote wadi
But it's not for most people
arctic talon
But laziness absolutely exists
urban spire
i've been stuck in summer vacation for about a decade now, it's not good
dapper gyro
i can't work because of mental illness, it suuuucks
But do you try?
arctic talon
Sometimes I just pick not to crawl out of bed on the weekends for hours
urban spire
But do you try?
i tried a bunch of times, it was ugly
dapper gyro
If you don't even try, then yes, you are lazy.
arctic talon
Just because I don’t want to
remote wadi
Sometimes I feel like I don't wanna do shit
But then I remember I'm gonna be a father
urban spire
But do you try?
like my case worker told me to stop trying to get a job and get my bullshit diagnosed by a psych
remote wadi
And I just do my responsibilities
arctic talon
like my case worker told me to stop trying to get a job and get my bullshit diag...
Jeez
dapper gyro
like my case worker told me to stop trying to get a job and get my bullshit diag...
If you don't mind*, can you tell me what you have? DM if needed. I'm just curious.
urban spire
it's a thing that's commonly mixed up with schizophrenia
don't want to go into the details
dapper gyro
My bad, I meant to write "mind" instead of "know".
urban spire
yeah i figured
urban spire
anyway you get laziness from overworking people
remote wadi
Also I have 2 contracts with two different companies to work where I do
So both of them have to agree on firing me
And that's unlikely
urban spire
and exactly how much work is overwork is different from person to person, some people can't focus on a task for long, so they need more breaks
remote wadi
I'll snitch on the us middle class workers
We work 8hours
But we take pretty much an hourly break
urban spire
if you force folks to work anyway they either burn out or start looking for ways to steal back their time so they can rest, which is where you get "laziness"
remote wadi
Also it's not always laziness
If I have my tasks completed I expect to be rewarded
I'm an effective worker
So I get to rest when my tasks are done
wintry scarab
Im about to book a trip to france
storm jungle
💀
urban spire
isn't oobi in montreal now
wintry scarab
I dont know, i dont care. Im coming for them
dapper gyro
Its biggest studio yes, but HQ is in Paris.
rocky gale
Is that the For honour UI?
If so being unable to connect is a blessing
It means you don't have to play for honor
arctic talon
Is that the For honour UI?
Yes
rose thorn
psychosis is infecting me, teh urge ot raze my work and start over calls, i must start again
i will wriet teh planet first, does anyone have godo exmaples of teh average imperial planet
like as in livign situation, i am only 70% sure hive ciites are the norm
arctic talon
like as in livign situation, i am only 70% sure hive ciites are the norm
Hive cities aren't the norm but due to how population density works the average person lives on them
lol
arctic talon
industrial/civilized world
world has a smattering of stuff on it
though generally focuces on agriculture, a luxury product, industrial stuff, ect.
rose thorn
hmm
an acid would sounds fun, besides normal stuff like mining woudl the imperium use acid for anythign else?
arctic talon
an acid would sounds fun, besides normal stuff like mining woudl the imperium us...
weapon production
could be for treating metals as well
and other sort of industrial uses
rose thorn
the cult symbol could easily be the tyanid symbol melitng away
wasnt there a tyranid unit that was like really into shooting acid it wassuhh
cant find it damn
toxicrene?
AMBERGRIS
I CAN HARVEST THE GAITN VOID MONSTER FOR AMBERGRESE
actually having m y genestealr cult dig through feces feels meh
rose thorn
A planet that was accidentally marked as quarantined as was utterly forgotten
storm jungle
Lmfao thats pretty good
storm jungle
🙏
rose thorn
Yeaaah YEAHH
I gues the whole system is marked as quarantine but the capital is the only one that matters in this scenario
The planet’s alarm systems blaring everyone to stay in doors, enforcers were given automated orders to enforce a curfew
It was fine for the first days, weeks, took until the second month of unending alarms and utter lack of contact for questions to be raised
crystal forum
isn't oobi in montreal now
being a game dev in montreal is like a mark of shame
rose thorn
With literal zero imperial support and still being forced to pay the tithe despite literally no work being done
Once rhe enforcers stopped getting paid they mostly just quit on the spot
After a little bit a single ship arrived with supplies and Genestealers
crystal forum
arbites would still be working
that situation happens in soul drinkers
entire planet shit on by a plague and you briefly see an arbites rhino going doom guy in the streets
rose thorn
Arbities only care when the tithe isn’t being paid
crystal forum
bruh
rose thorn
But yeha I see what you mean
crystal forum
THEY DO FUCKING CARE IF THE PLANET IS DYING
rose thorn
@storm jungle
hallow saddle
breh...
rose thorn
We gotta get the experts
The arbities in game only came when the tithe wasn’t being payed so they are there to handle shit
crystal forum
so first of all, stop reducing an entire faction to one sentence
second of all, that still happened in the book so fuck you
rose thorn
???
hallow saddle
they can do whatever based on what the story needs
rose thorn
Fair
hallow saddle
like yes their job is to enforce the tithe
but if the planet's being invaded they might well start fighting
maybe some pricincts would hole up depending on the commander
some commanders are pussies
some are absolute fuckin chads
crystal forum
like it happens all the time and people still say " they only care when it affects the tithe"
dark moon
IM EATING POTATO CHIPS AAA
What flavor? 
crystal forum
stop taking that out of context, that sentence is used to explain why arbites dont give a shit about local politics. they still very much have an active interest in keeping a planet alive to pay that tithe
hallow saddle
literally anything in warhammer can be changed based on what the story needss
make a justification for it and go nuts
arctic talon
What flavor? <:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
this one/j
crystal forum
and ANYWAYS arbites still dont accomplish much when they're needed. there's not nearly enough arbites on most planets to stop the threats they're there to prevent
so arbites can still be doing a lot of shit and not helping at all
rose thorn
Either way the planet is literally fine, so there wasn’t even a problem to solve besides fucked up book keeping
rose thorn
On a similar note I hope arbites get a designated hero next edition, that would be fun
arctic talon
I don't even like chips that much
rose thorn
“Arbites arch captain” or what ever
crystal forum
this one/j
all of these flavored chips taste like barbecue flavor imo
arctic talon
On a similar note I hope arbites get a designated hero next edition, that would ...
shira calpurnia RAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
storm jungle
The arbities in game only came when the tithe wasn’t being payed so they are the...
Yeah so the Soulshackle books gives some ridiculous examples of how far shit can go without arbites lifting a finger, down to a LITERAL CIVIL WAR being allowed to happen as long as the new ruler continues to pay the tithes
arctic talon
all of these flavored chips taste like barbecue flavor imo
this ones not sweet, its salty
its like very MSGy
rose thorn
Yeah so the Soulshackle books gives some ridiculous examples of how far shit can...
Lmao
arctic talon
the funny administratum scheme where they get both sides of a civil war to pay the tithe
crystal forum
Arbites DO NOT care about petty crimes
yes this is what people mean by "arbites only care about tithe"!!!
it does not mean that arbites are dumbasses who only care about number go up
rose thorn
Arbites are like raised from child to enforce the tithe
storm jungle
yes this is what people mean by "arbites only care about tithe"!!!
shut up furry
crystal forum
ok so they're the LEX faction
storm jungle
Arbites are like raised from child to enforce the tithe
rose thorn
Lmao
hallow saddle
🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ LEXBREAKERS
rose thorn
If they are in charge of human tithes they do a fuck ass job checking for gscs lmao
rocky gale
The lore for my Tyranids is that their hive ship crashed on an Imperial feudal world under the protection of the Forbearers (The original chapter of my SM's) millennia ago and took enough loses for their remaining forces to go feral, locals just thought they were some form of native monster they hadn't encountered before and the Forbearers would regularly visit the planet purge them not knowing they were Tyranids. But when the Forbearers had their civil war all the records of the planet got lost and the world was forgotten, allowing the Tyranid population to expand to the point where they are beginning the early stages of establishing a synapse and no longer quite as feral as they used to be.
crystal forum
man this makes them sound like border control
rose thorn
The lore for my Tyranids is that their hive ship crashed on an Imperial feudal w...
Sick
storm jungle
man this makes them sound like border control
i mean they basically are, they are the parody of police brutality in its rawest format
storm jungle
The lore for my Tyranids is that their hive ship crashed on an Imperial feudal w...
yeah this is something almost no one in the fandom knows
aka that nids can go feral and repopulate lol
really love the writeup as well
arctic talon
feral nids are hilarious
fucking Fenrisian krakens are feral nids
catachan devils(might) be feral nids
rocky gale
I have a rough plan for writing a novel about it
arctic talon
unclear
storm jungle
fucking Fenrisian krakens are feral nids
I do love how people for years were unsure then we get that Space Wolf story and they recover the eggs, and the apothecary is like "Yo bruh these are tyranids"
lmfao
arctic talon
I do love how people for years were unsure then we get that Space Wolf story and...
the other space wolves saying he's lying and the wolf priest being as petty to get a Magos biologis confirm
is fucking hilarious
storm jungle
the other space wolves saying he's lying and the wolf priest being as petty to g...
YEAH ITS GREAT
It feels like some shit id do ngl
"WHY DONT YOU BACK IT UP WITH A SOURCE"
arctic talon
"THE SOURCE IS THIS FUCKING NERD WHOS DONE NOTHING BUT STARE AT NIDS FOR 500 YEARS"
also lowkey hate how space wolf apothocaries are called fucking wolf priests but whatever
storm jungle
oh my god are they
arctic talon
Yes
arctic talon
Wolf priests are chaplains/apothocaries
storm jungle
💀
arctic talon
here if it helps at least they look cool
storm jungle
My favorite part is how like
they literally got zero apothecary equipment
because even the modellers didnt remember
lmao
arctic talon
yeah its super fucking weird
LOL
They get it in art and stuff
but never on the fucking minis
crystal forum
I do love how people for years were unsure then we get that Space Wolf story and...
why does every hostile fauna in 40k have to come from nids though
storm jungle
why does every hostile fauna in 40k have to come from nids though
"every"
you mean literally 2 of them?
rose thorn
they use healing powerder htats actually a nanobot
storm jungle
and only 1 outright confirmed
rose thorn
tbh catachan having a nid species on it and the frozen nids on fenris are valid complaints
storm jungle
^
rose thorn
and the time travel nids
crystal forum
you mean literally 2 of them?
just having one is dumb enough. what were nids doing in the galaxy way before the fleet
arctic talon
its just an in universe theory
storm jungle
just having one is dumb enough. what were nids doing in the galaxy way before th...
its not
rose thorn
i was talking about hte blood leaf thing
storm jungle
do you know how fucking big the milky way is
arctic talon
i was talking about hte blood leaf thing
Those aren't confirmed to be nids
storm jungle
i was talking about hte blood leaf thing
thats not a Nid, thats just some native species
arctic talon
yeah
rose thorn
ah fair
crystal forum
do you know how fucking big the milky way is
do you know how big the vast emptiness of space is between galaxies
arctic talon
there's not even an in universe theory about them being nids
storm jungle
do you know how big the vast emptiness of space is between galaxies
What does that have to do with anything
Nids just appear anywhere lol
crystal forum
Nids just appear anywhere lol
from where
storm jungle
you make it sound like its impossible for some Nids to be left wild on an invasion
storm jungle
from where
up my fist going up your-
rose thorn
my one issue wiht this cult is how does it spread if it basically doenst exist, just shoot out abandoned ships that are spamming distress signals and hope someone accidnetally picks it up?
arctic talon
Also yeah GW has pretty much explictly confirmed there's other nids
that like
were early scouts
that went into hybernation
arctic talon
take it up with GW
crystal forum
you make it sound like its impossible for some Nids to be left wild on an invasi...
im talking about how they're in the galaxy before the beacon attracted them
rose thorn
some gscs predate the tyrnaid invsion too
storm jungle
my one issue wiht this cult is how does it spread if it basically doenst exist, ...
read the codexes, it provides some examples
storm jungle
im talking about how they're in the galaxy before the beacon attracted them
Because they were early scouts
arctic talon
im talking about how they're in the galaxy before the beacon attracted them
Which is fine?
on paper they could just be random ass scouts
storm jungle
Yeah, jay is a grognard get him
arctic talon
Sent to like
crystal forum
why would there be scouts if the beacon is what attracted them
arctic talon
a place with psychic activity
arctic talon
why would there be scouts if the beacon is what attracted them
The beacon is what rung the dinner bell
storm jungle
^^^^^^^^^^^^
rose thorn
thanks hh
arctic talon
the pharos becaon was like the dinnerbell
which is a retcon from the dinnerbell being the astronomicon
but whatever
rose thorn
which is a retcon from the dinnerbell being the astronomicon
thats a wierd ertcon
arctic talon
its implied the nids just send shit everywhere
crystal forum
The beacon is what rung the dinner bell
then wtf were the scouts for if they didnt tell nids that they landed on a galaxy full of people
paper haven
We talking about pre tyrannid war tyrannids?
storm jungle
then wtf were the scouts for if they didnt tell nids that they landed on a galax...
it could literally just be random scout fleets because we know they hang around the galactic void, and have devoured different galaxies as per the codexes, its not unlikely for them to send out fucking probes
arctic talon
then wtf were the scouts for if they didnt tell nids that they landed on a galax...
To wait for the galaxy to reach a critical mass
storm jungle
^
crystal forum
To wait for the galaxy to reach a critical mass
so you're saying that the galaxy wasn't at critical mass in the past ages?
arctic talon
Yes
rose thorn
yes
crystal forum
during the eldar and human peak
arctic talon
A GIANT FUCKING DINNERBELL
rose thorn
human peak is like now lmao
paper haven
You send scouts to determine if it's worth going there or to let you know when it is.
arctic talon
we don't know in terms of population
storm jungle
^
rose thorn
the average impeiral planet has at least 15 billion poeple
crystal forum
**A GIANT FUCKING DINNERBELL**
again, what were the scouts for if they weren't scouting shit
rose thorn
for civilzied worlds
crystal forum
no you guys are dense rn
arctic talon
again, what were the scouts for if they weren't scouting shit
They were checking if the galaxy was inhabited
crystal forum
dont put this on me
arctic talon
I'm not being dense
paper haven
Space is big and they don't use ftl
crystal forum
They were checking if the galaxy was inhabited
THEN WHY DID THAT NOT RING THE DINNERBELL
arctic talon
THEN WHY DID THAT NOT RING THE DINNERBELL
NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE
languid meadow
it depends
paper haven
I don't count that
arctic talon
We don't even know when the fuck those scouting fleets ended up in the milkway
but we sure as shit knew genestealers were around
FOR A LONG TIME
rose thorn
man the writers love writing the gsc codex huh lkmao
arctic talon
at least before the Eldar Empire collapsed
crystal forum
NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE
so now after humanity has been demolished by the age of strife AND the horus heresy there's enough people
arctic talon
no, because the scout fleets explictly went into hibernation
someone just ran the fucking dinnerbell
paper haven
Note that tyrannids eat more than just animals
arctic talon
Someone rang the dinnerbell early rather then the scout fleets ringing the dinnerbell
the nids are literally building what seems to be
another dinnerbell
as of now
crystal forum
someone just ran the fucking dinnerbell
i dont know how clearer i can make this. either:
- scouts reported the galaxy to nids and that's how they arrived here
- beacon attracted them
arctic talon
Which would be in theory what the scout fleets would normlly do
crystal forum
otherwise there's no fucking reason to have both
arctic talon
No
the scouts report the galaxy
by building a dinnerbell
but the scouts got eepy
and went into hybernation to wait a bit
crystal forum
wait what?
storm jungle
bro is denser than terminator armor
crystal forum
who built the beacon
storm jungle
oh my god
arctic talon
Okay so hive fleet tiamat right
THEY ARE BUILDING A GIANT FUCKING PSYCHIC BEACON
THAT SCREAMS
well in the process of it
storm jungle
now hes gonna be like
arctic talon
point being that is the intended dinnerbell
storm jungle
"how did they build it"
arctic talon
for them to ring
crystal forum
what about the beacon that ultramarines activated
arctic talon
The beacon that fucking exploded was necron tech
storm jungle
tried reading the lore
arctic talon
that they stole
crystal forum
yeah thats the one im talking about
storm jungle
arctic talon
That one just produced a similar effect
crystal forum
im talking about the beacon that first attracted them here
arctic talon
to what the hivefleet tiamat dinnerbell is gona do
It was the wrong dinnerbell
if that makes sense
paper haven
The Pharos beacon was an accidental dinner bell
crystal forum
but it still happened
arctic talon
of the built one
rocky gale
Rough outline is Space Marine Sgt is hunting down the remnants of a Chaos Cult with his squad, Chapter Master favours this Sgt and thinks he's destined to rise and become Chapter Master himself one day but has doubts that he's too prideful and that he would one day lead the Chapter to ruin, so he sends a Chaplain to join them and basically keep an eye on him and try to beat the flaws out of him if necessary. Chaplain finds them on this world, during their hunt they meet locals who talk about the monsters but think it's local superstition, during their investigation into the Cult they discover relics which tell them this world was one of theirs, they later finally track down the cultists but instead encounter the local Nids, they realise the situation is beyond them and make plans to abandon the planet, but Sgt refuses to leave since it's their world and they already failed it once etc etc etc Space Marine slop.
arctic talon
yes, but they had sent scout fleets to wait and see
crystal forum
so did the nids know or did they not already know that the galaxy had people
because otherwise why tf would the scouts exist
arctic talon
so did the nids know or did they not already know that the galaxy had people
The scout fleets knew the galaxy had people, but not the main fleet
paper haven
Rough outline is Space Marine Sgt is hunting down the remnants of a Chaos Cult w...
We can easily turn this into an omnibus
arctic talon
the scout fleet decided it was not worth ringing the dinnerbell yet
and went to sleep to wait it out a bit
The necrons built a giant psychic beacon for other reasons, which did a similar effect to the funny dinnerbell when it went boom
paper haven
Without the Pharos beacon, it would have taken much longer for the tyrannids to arrive
arctic talon
hive fleet tiamat are the intended dinnerbell builders/ringers
and they're not done with it yet
but they are building it
paper haven
But they still would have arrived
crystal forum
The scout fleets knew the galaxy had people, but not the main fleet
so what would scouts do if they thought it was time? build their own beacon?
arctic talon
Yes
like what Tiamat is doing now
shore up an area, heavily defend it
and slowly grow/acrue biomass for its construction
Tiamat practices some sort of rudamentry tyranid equivelent to agriculture
arctic talon
Where they don't fully consume a planets biosphere, let it recover, rinse and repeat
and do most of the biomass into building the giant screaming beacon
that made a marines head instantly fucking explode
crystal forum
so this is all to imply that there's a bigger nid force out there which we will never see
arctic talon
But we do know Tiamat is building it even after the bell is rung
crystal forum
because ultramarines will kill the second beacon or some shit
arctic talon
because ultramarines will kill the second beacon or some shit
not really
paper haven
Well, all the different splinter fleets come in from different directions
arctic talon
GW has had the funny progress on the beacon build up
every edition since 4e
and now its starting to scream
lol
storm jungle
with the current Tyrannic War we also had Leviathan fleets come from above the galaxy
paper haven
It's not even implying at this point. We are for sure completely surrounded
rocky gale
Or the actual dinner bell is intended to be much louder, and the Pharos beacon basically only alerted the closest hive fleets
arctic talon
they failed horribly
crystal forum
i thought it was implied that nids could flood the whole galaxy with their main forces
arctic talon
Yeah
rose thorn
okay finally fixed my slef i keep restricitng my self to one location, but in reality the ENTIRE planet gets infected
paper haven
The Pharos beacon just attracted the small fleets that were in the area
rose thorn
i gotta keep my views large
arctic talon
so literally all space outside the galaxy is nid
unclear but the milkyway is def surrounded at the very least
crystal forum
and nothing will happen
arctic talon
considering they've come from every direction
I mean yes
that would be a setting ending incident
lol
crystal forum
yaaaay
arctic talon
for all the nids to come
paper haven
What has hit us so far could be considered skirmishing forces.
crystal forum
and it's already kicking everybody's ass
paper haven
Thus the concern
crystal forum
yeah i was thinking of that one
paper haven
It is so over
crystal forum
i hope not
arctic talon
as GW has chosen to depict it
crystal forum
like bruh nids being bigger than a fucking galaxy
crystal forum
why even bother at that point
rose thorn
paper haven
Spite
crystal forum
literally fighting cthulu
arctic talon
no one knows the true scale
except maybe the Silent King
and also yeah spite and hatred
crystal forum
i dont trust that silent king guy
arctic talon
all the factions in 40k will go down swinging out of hate
paper haven
i dont trust that silent king guy
You shouldn't
He has a horrible track record with people that have trusted him
crystal forum
i dont think his name is silent or king
paper haven
Isn't his name like, zarek?
crystal forum
also spending millions of years just wandering outside the galaxy SUUUUURE buddy
storm jungle
literally me
rocky gale
The implication of them building the bell is that it's still needed to summon the full force, so denying the bell in some way keeps them as a more manageable threat rather than literally all consuming everythingness
paper haven
Or that, yeah
rose thorn
arctic talon
also spending millions of years just wandering outside the galaxy SUUUUURE buddy
they might have been eating other shit
storm jungle
why even bother at that point
Me when i learned the sun is gonna explode in 90000000 years
crystal forum
they might have been eating other shit
no i mean the silent king
spending all that time awake and alone
rocky gale
Maybe bro was eating
paper haven
The implication of them building the bell is that it's still needed to summon th...
GW wrote itself into a corner with the tyrannids and now need a reason why everyone isn't already dead
rose thorn
thegenestealer cults arent a cult its liek a literal society i gotta remember that, a planet, a system of hidden individuals
arctic talon
tbh ultimately we don't actually know what the beacon tiamat is building is exactly intended for
paper haven
Genestealer cults are tragic
arctic talon
but the Eldar and Inqusition
rose thorn
i gotta rethink my slef ot a larger scale
wintry cloud
like bruh nids being bigger than a fucking galaxy
Wait for the silent king to use his “astronomical galaxy radiator blackhole multi-universe swallowing C’tan gigabeam”
The nids will be wiped out.
paper haven
It's probably a big ass beacon for even more tyrannids
outer wave
Do genestealer cults ever live beyond the whole day of ascension thing? Or is it only the ones that leave the planet to spread their faith the only ones?
rose thorn
i lov ehtese mlao, they took a statue and carved a neophyte head into it lmao
storm jungle
Wait for the silent king to use his “astronomical galaxy radiator blackhole mult...
Xenos accomplishing anything? Lol lmao 💀
arctic talon
Do genestealer cults ever live beyond the whole day of ascension thing? Or is it...
Sometimes there isn't a day of ascension
storm jungle
i lov ehtese mlao, they took a statue and carved a neophyte head into it lmao
the illustrations in the 9th codex are peak
rose thorn
Do genestealer cults ever live beyond the whole day of ascension thing? Or is it...
there is a few who leave before hadn to spread the word of the cult
but thats it
crystal forum
Wait for the silent king to use his “astronomical galaxy radiator blackhole mult...
the only counter to a setting ending event is a macguffin big enough to delete the setting...
paper haven
Do genestealer cults ever live beyond the whole day of ascension thing? Or is it...
In the sense that they become one with their gods, yeah.
outer wave
and sometimes the whole cult is allowed to leave
Wait, how does that happen though?
storm jungle
theres entire cults who sometimes travel off world WITH hivefleets too
the codex is like
arctic talon
sometimes the nids don't eat them on the spot
storm jungle
"We dont know why this happens lol"
rose thorn
there is a cult who specalizies in that lmao
rose thorn
The lineage returned
paper haven
If the hive mind determines that they can still be useful, then they live
rose thorn
wait no thats not it
arctic talon
considering GW gave us "no one knows why specific Tau use this equipment"
crystal forum
"We dont know why this happens lol"
so homebrewers have a valid reason for their cult to not die when the hive fleet arrives probably lol
paper haven
Generally, they do not make it out
storm jungle
so homebrewers have a valid reason for their cult to not die when the hive fleet...
no shit sherlock
rose thorn
anyway there is a cult who mostly just leaves after taking over a planet
crystal forum
no shit sherlock
stop hating on me i might cry
rose thorn
because the hive fleet is litearllyr ight on their tail
storm jungle
stop hating on me i might cry
Good >:)
storm jungle
anyway there is a cult who mostly just leaves after taking over a planet
the 9th codex also has mentions that some GSC can outright do planetary invasions
its not a lot but its still big lol
crystal forum
GSC Guard regiments
that's basically 10th rules
arctic talon
unrelated but for 2077 I just realized that the Moxes are literally pimps lol
crystal forum
half gsc half guard
paper haven
unrelated but for 2077 I just realized that the Moxes are literally pimps lol
What tipped you off?
rose thorn
brood brothers are sicjk
crystal forum
still no models tho
crystal forum
maybe we'll get brood brother killteam
rose thorn
that's basically 10th rules
thats only for the brood brothers detachment, otehrwise you cant take them
paper haven
I thought they were the sex workers I'm ngl
The newer recruits, probably
crystal forum
THEY EXIST
i thought i was having a fever dream holy shit
arctic talon
rose thorn
when brood brothers get declassified htey will probably rerelease the sprue by it slef
crystal forum
oh but these cant be proxied as guardsmen
paper haven
But yeah, most of the time they just get eaten
crystal forum
weapons are too different
paper haven
Sometimes by their own children
paper haven
Because the hive mind is aware and does actively fuck with people
crystal forum
it's very grimdark that they get eaten
BUT
cmon if you homebrew you dont want that
storm jungle
to be fair
its not that different from being an imperial parent
you are now just infected by an alien WHILE eating your children
🫡
crystal forum
still mad the doesnt just have a generic brood brothers unit
oOooOOoOh you have to buy guard models now~~
paper haven
I feel like you can homebrew an imperial guard army to be GSC
arctic talon
You can
rose thorn
you can its quite easy
arctic talon
There’s someone at my LGS who runs guard
But they’re all brood bros
Or cult members
paper haven
See?
crystal forum
I feel like you can homebrew an imperial guard army to be GSC
literally 10th edition makes gsc all about working with guard units
rose thorn
oOooOOoOh you have to buy guard models now~~
there is no brood brotehrs rules int he codex you have ot buy 2 codexes to run brood brothers lmao
paper haven
I was considering the same but with chaos cultists
arctic talon
I’ve seen that before at a tournament
rose thorn
literally 10th edition makes gsc all about working with guard units
????????? one bad detachment
we use to always bring brood brothers but now we cant
arctic talon
Someone had a really wonderfully created chaos guard army
paper haven
Because I find the human servants of chaos to be way more interesting than the space Marines
crystal forum
????????? one bad detachment
ye but barely any unit choices
such a neglected faction
rose thorn
if we had generic brood brother units then it would be fine
paper haven
And I like to see them be more than literal meat shields and distraction units
crystal forum
dark eldar should just die or merge with eldar it's kinda annoying
arctic talon
dark eldar should just die or merge with eldar it's kinda annoying
This is like saying chaos space marines should merge with guard
lol
rose thorn
"brood brotehrs, brood brother leman russ, brood brothercommand squad, brood brotherwhat ever"
paper haven
Everyone would rather the Dark Eldar didn't exist
paper haven
Even the Dark Eldar
crystal forum
This is like saying chaos space marines should merge with guard
hey im just saying it's dividing the attention of the model makers for so little gain
arctic talon
Not really
paper haven
Especially the Dark Eldar
crystal forum
im sure there's barely any dark eldar players since they never get any models
arctic talon
Also
arctic talon
im sure there's barely any dark eldar players since they never get any models
There’s quite a few
If we go off of just tournament statistics
crystal forum
then why doesnt GW make models
arctic talon
And dark eldar aren’t good
paper haven
Didn't they get an update recently?
arctic talon
then why doesnt GW make models
There’s a lot of redo
They got a new archon and lady malys
New archon is great
rose thorn
looks like alto of the lesser named cults are off springs of hte bigger cults and are a bit similar
arctic talon
Malys is about what I expected
crystal forum
idk i find GSC way more interesting than dark eldar
crystal forum
dark eldar get boring fast once you get their shtick
crystal forum
that's all they do though
arctic talon
Nah
crystal forum
no real motives
arctic talon
They have dif types of shit they do
storm jungle
ok mr "all my army does is shoot lasguns and drive tanks"
storm jungle
no real motives
literally every kabal has a motive lol
arctic talon
Also they’re the only army who can do drive by shootings
paper haven
Incorrect
In lore, to be clear.
I'm sure there are a few players that run them that don't belong on a list.
arctic talon
Which is peak
crystal forum
literally every kabal has a motive lol
like what? get more slaves?
backstab another dark eldar
arctic talon
In lore, to be clear.
I'm sure there are a few players that run them that don't ...
Ah
crystal forum
woooh
paper haven
ok mr "all my army does is shoot lasguns and drive tanks"
That's all you need
storm jungle
like what? get more slaves?
like what does the imperial guard do?
invade more planets?
cry when their men die?
get shot by commissars?
i can do this too lmao
crystal forum
yes 
storm jungle
no
crystal forum
i can cry too
paper haven
cry when their men die?
They don't cry
crystal forum
that swhat makes guard good
storm jungle
They don't cry
Pigs dont cry its true
crystal forum
smh
storm jungle
They fight to uphold the regime of a galactic empire that makes everyone suffer
they arent good guys
crystal forum
they dont have to be good guys
paper haven
Yeah but who is in 40k?
storm jungle
Basically lol
arctic talon
The mechanicus because they kill orphans
storm jungle
its why I love the "they are people like you and me" thing, its such a funny thing
storm jungle
and they do it well
and so do the dark eldar
crystal forum
Also, like 90 percent of guardsmen are conscripted
"blame the roman slave for not shanking his master" type shit
storm jungle
I mean so?
They are indoctrinated brainwashed nutjobs
conscription means jackshit lol
they are evil sons of bitches
paper haven
You would be too
arctic talon
dapper gyro
So fleshy
arctic talon
It looks so gross and fleshy I love it
storm jungle
Anyway rewinding
crystal forum
compare a space marine who can just stop fighting if he wants
but he doesnt
because he isnt human
arctic talon
Painter is Giogiro Marcis iirc
storm jungle
backstab another dark eldar
You can homebrew your kabal, their leaders, their underlings, their power structure, their place in the hierarchy of commorragh or beyond it in weird paranatural subrealms, how they handle their daily matters, how do they do raids, what do they do with their loot, how are their relationships with other eldar, or haemonculi covens, wych cults, other archons, etc.
You are literally homebrewing your own space elf cartel syndicate lol
storm jungle
but he doesnt
They are brainwashed just like Guardsman
im not gonna humanize with people who would murder entire worlds for not worshipping the emperor
lmao
dapper gyro
Even Custodes are brainwashed.
crystal forum
i like character that are as weak and squishy as i am
storm jungle
gay
dapper gyro
They literally admitted that they don't have free will.
paper haven
I feel like judging characters in this setting for being evil kind of misses the point
rose thorn
Even Custodes are brainwashed.
there is this meme i hear where its about htis german guy with blonde hari white ksin and blue eyes and he joined hte nazi regieme because he was like, the literal main protagonist of the whole ideal lmao
storm jungle
"we cant apply our morality to these people"
we very much can
its the same with people who defend historical empires who were all conquering murderers
(and still are tbh)
crystal forum
judging the average guardsman who's thrust into a situation he has no control over is kinda dumb
storm jungle
I mean no it isnt
theres always a choice, dying included
no one is asking you to go raze a world that wants nothing to do with your Imperium
yet they do it because they are "heretics"
its easy to say this when a Cadian isnt about to torch your entire planet
i doubt you'd be saying this when a Krieg regiment is shelling your home either
paper haven
Well in the guardsman's case, someone is telling them to do exactly that
storm jungle
Yeah because they are indoctrinated
paper haven
Everyone is.
storm jungle
we see this in that new Fulgrim novel where the imperials literally break morale because the cadian regiments are brutalizing the citizenry
storm jungle
Everyone is.
And?
again, not a defense
"they dont know any better" doesnt mean anything
crystal forum
they're indoctrinated because they literally dont know any better
paper haven
"they dont know any better" doesnt mean anything
Not what I'm trying to say here
storm jungle
Not what I'm trying to say here
paper haven
It's a bit beyond anything we have encountered
storm jungle
I mean is it?
crystal forum
so didnt the Imperial Japanese Army
yeah and i'd much rather blame the institutions that produced the horrors of the japanese army than the troops themselves, though the ones that do commit crimes have to be held accountable too
storm jungle
the Guard is based on historical stuff, down to the wya they operate
storm jungle
yeah and i'd much rather blame the institutions that produced the horrors of the...
You can literally do the exact same thing here with them to the Imperium, and they are still monsters that participated in the shit they did. Theres no "We were just following orders". you have free will, you are a human being.
dapper gyro
Giving people no option, no choice.
crystal forum
like why would you blame a guardsman for wanting to kill an ork rampaging towards him
paper haven
the Guard is based on historical stuff, down to the wya they operate
Something I have criticized before since I doubt they would function like with world war 2 combined arms given the equipment they can have
crystal forum
you're the one generalizing here
storm jungle
Cool, still not related to what we are saying.
Evil generic aliens doesnt really count lol
Theres about as many examples where they just kill alien races that did nothing to them because "lol alien bad".
same with human rebels
dapper gyro
Something I have criticized before since I doubt they would function like with w...
When the whole guards are deployed together like during the GC, then yes.
paper haven
But ten thousand years of cycles of repression and violence, reinforced by the fact that the witch burners actually do have a point, means that at the end of it all, being in line with things is the most reasonable
storm jungle
Its really not
40k never makes a point that "these people are correct in what they do"
its that the entire galaxy is fucked
and theres no coming back from it
crystal forum
alright we're just arguing about dumb shit rn. i almost started talking about real war as if i can compare 40k to actual life events
storm jungle
Its not dumb shit
paper haven
In our world, witch hunts are bs. For them, it can actually save a planet
crystal forum
it's a fictional setting
storm jungle
and stop being dense
storm jungle
it's a fictional setting
Cool. And they are still evil, Everyone is.
Theres no good guys in 40k.
especially not the Imperium of Man.
crystal forum
i'll hate real fascists instead
paper haven
So. We agree then?
crystal forum
just fuck fascists yeah
storm jungle
Remember guys
the faction that has quotes such as:
"Beware the heretic's words. Equality, justice, tolerance. These are the seeds of damnation"
Are totally not blamable for anything
storm jungle
And secondly
paper haven
Yeah
crystal forum
i dont need 40k to tell me about what's going on irl dilara
storm jungle
I dont care
crystal forum
we're a bit past that point
paper haven
Just read the back of any 40k book ever
storm jungle
Spare me the humanizing of literal fictional fascists next time lol
crystal forum
ok fine
storm jungle
i got enough to deal with them IRL
crystal forum
i dont actually like the imperium anyways
burnt maple
Jezu Chryste... Again?
paper haven
I do
storm jungle
Jezu Chryste... Again?
wdym again lol
paper haven
Not like, "like"
crystal forum
i just like guard because normal dudes shooting horrors beyond our comprehension
forest orbit
outer wave
Its cool to like Imperium for the aethetics
burnt maple
wdym again lol
Topic of good guys xD
forest orbit
damn missed another one
paper haven
But the guard really speaks to me.
storm jungle
Topic of good guys xD
Its a regular one when you know even GW made a statement on it, dont look at me lol
crystal forum
also i like the slaughter of millions of innocent lives
paper haven
Innocent?
crystal forum
and just ramping up war to ridiculous levels
forest orbit
🫡
burnt maple
Looking at the chat, not you. Dw homie.
storm jungle
SPEAK LOUDER
outer wave
https://tenor.com/view/sir-yes-sir-oorah-oorah-marine-twerk-army-gif-22931251
Me when the commissar threatens my life
paper haven
He was very brave
dapper gyro
https://tenor.com/view/castle-vania-dracula-innocents-anime-gif-16594949
Great show
crystal forum
https://tenor.com/view/castle-vania-dracula-innocents-anime-gif-16594949
ok but consider this: thinking of them as innocent makes their death more gratifying
paper haven
I really liked the first season, but the second one almost felt like a different show
I still liked it, but it was confusing
outer wave
Maybe I'll give Castlevania a shot.....
crystal forum
also i literally get giddy at the idea of millions of soldiers charging at eachother with bayonets while mountains of bodies pile high
dapper gyro
Maybe I'll give Castlevania a shot.....
I'm disappointed.
outer wave
I'm disappointed.
What..... ?
paper haven
Maybe I'll give Castlevania a shot.....
I'd say it's worth it
burnt maple
I will stick to my autistic super childsoldiers. No politics. Just murdering xenos, traitors and heretics.
paper haven
War is inherently political, but I get what you mean
crystal forum
stares at you with autistic intent
dapper gyro
What..... ?
That you haven't given it a shot sooner.
valid needle
They fight to uphold the regime of a galactic empire that makes everyone suffer
lol based, lmao rizz even.
outer wave
I'll stick to chaos, alot more blatant in the evil we do and we get to talk to funny voices in our heads
young pecan
That you haven't given it a shot sooner.
I was about to say that damn well better be what you're following up with LMAO
outer wave
That you haven't given it a shot sooner.
I never had that much interest! It looks well animated and Ive heard good things, but never felt the pull to watch it
burnt maple
I'll stick to chaos, alot more blatant in the evil we do and we get to talk to f...
The most valid argument I heard from a chaos enjoyer.
paper haven
Tribalism in spaaaaaaaaaace
young pecan
Peak
storm jungle
lol based, lmao rizz even.
crystal forum
The most valid argument I heard from a chaos enjoyer.
the cope is thinking that they're good for joining chaos
storm jungle
The most valid argument I heard from a chaos enjoyer.
outer wave
The most valid argument I heard from a chaos enjoyer.
I mean, how does one justify the actions of SLAUGHTERGRIM BABYMUNCHER?
storm jungle
the cope is thinking that they're good for joining chaos
Chaos players never do that lol
and even if they do its the 1%
valid needle
I don’t care if you just lost your job at the munitions factory, pay your taxes or we will turn your kid into a servitor.
storm jungle
imperial players meanwhil
crystal forum
Chaos players never do that lol
i've seen a few
storm jungle
"NOOOO IM FIGHTING TO PROTECT MY HOME"
burnt maple
I mean, how does one justify the actions of SLAUGHTERGRIM BABYMUNCHER?
I saw some shit, friend.
outer wave
Chaos players never do that lol
With chaos, I am free... to do a lil wee... and a small quee...
storm jungle
i've seen a few
Count them on one hand then do the same but with loyalist users 🫡
paper haven
I made a chaos space marine once. World eater. His name was Thraxx Teamkill Axefiend
crystal forum
"NOOOO IM FIGHTING TO PROTECT MY HOME"
ok dilara but what if i get my excitement from imagining millions of innocent people dying because of a broken totalitarian system huh?
young pecan
Think about how difficult it would be to defend your planet from real threats if you didn't have the prior experience of beating random hivers to death
paper haven
I think remove the team kill
It's very important to his character
arctic talon
I see
crystal forum
we shall all die for the orange emperor
crystal forum
I made a chaos space marine once. World eater. His name was Thraxx Teamkill Axef...
orphankiller tragus
paper haven
His name was Teamkill murderfiend
crystal forum
some might wonder why his parents named him orphankiller
paper haven
My bad. It's been awhile
crystal forum
but he didnt have any parents
dapper gyro
His name was Teamkill murderfiend
MurderFriend*
paper haven
MurderFriend*
This may shock you, but grammar is not his strongest talent
crystal forum
i want to know which silly person who made the words fiend and friend when they were creating the english language
burnt maple
I made a space marine! Virginus Virtue. Hjs thing is he is pure and noble, guts!
paper haven
Tragic
arctic talon
Bro got shot to death by skitarii
rocky gale
MurderFriend*
Reminds me of Rollplay Dark Heresy, where there was a shop keeper called Horkenfriend who's tagline was "If you're looking for business, Horkenfriend is best friend"
arctic talon
But his name goes crazy
crystal forum
I made a space marine! Virginus Virtue. Hjs thing is he is pure and noble, guts!
look at my custom chapter which is just a variation of the primary colours:
arctic talon
Reminds me of Rollplay Dark Heresy, where there was a shop keeper called Horkenf...
Good name
paper haven
Reminds me of Rollplay Dark Heresy, where there was a shop keeper called Horkenf...
It was a game of Black Crusade, actually. One of the characters was carried over from Dark Heresy if I recall
valid needle
and they all act like genocidal monsters
W Rizz tho lowkey Dilara
paper haven
Do it
arctic talon
Not sure if as a NPC or character