40k-lore-chat

[hollow lantern]

Read his short story

[remote wadi]

No I choose the evil space marines

[near wasp]

Erebus is the worse

[daring creek]

Oh well

[remote wadi]

Cause humans are flawed

[dark moon]

Argel Tal

[remote wadi]

And the loyalists make no sense logically

[median star]

i wish nightlords got more heresy era marines that survived

[near wasp]

Like actively he strives to be worse ever day

[humble shoal]

I curse you to 300 bodygloves

[remote wadi]

Cause considering what chaos represents we would all fall for it

[celest dome]

Erebus is a case of identity theft

[hollow lantern]

Erebus is an evil bastard and he's really good at being one. Erebus isn't even Erebus, the original Erebus is a recruit murdered by someone who took his name.

[crystal forum]

happens during the end and the death so unlikely you'll read. loken disappears after the HH opening trilogy anyways

he just comes back to be killed off

[near wasp]

So glad kharn blows out his back

[daring creek]

..In the end of the HH trilogy you mean right

[hollow lantern]

Erebus iirc held his hands out to scorpions when he was a kid to pull away when they went to sting, and it kinda summarizes what he is as a character in general

[dark moon]

Never forget what Erebus took from us.

[daring creek]

Cuz Im still on the first book

[celest dome]

Not even a recruit, just a villager that current Erebus was jealous of, killed and copied his tattoo

[storm jungle]

Siege of Terra's final book

[crystal forum]

"end and the death" is part of the siege of terra books

[storm jungle]

you got like 67 books to go

[hollow lantern]

Yeah like, he's such a bastard

I love him

[storm jungle]

everybody knows how Loken dies by this point

[hollow lantern]

Evil for the sake of evil

[storm jungle]

suck it up

[hollow lantern]

Passionate about the game

[humble shoal]

what, loken dies?

[daring creek]

Oh, cool!

[storm jungle]

yeah he eats shit

[humble shoal]

I thought he became head of the minotaurs

[storm jungle]

where the fuck do you guys get this info from

lmao

genuine brainrot

[humble shoal]

it came to me in a dream

[storm jungle]

more like a lobotomy

[crystal forum]

that would be funny af

[storm jungle]

[daring creek]

Youtube shorts is a reliable source of information you know.

[hollow lantern]

Aren't the minotaurs a really late founding?

[crystal forum]

we dont know

[humble shoal]

nope still a pre-servitor

sadly

[storm jungle]

nope

[remote wadi]

I read books ok

[storm jungle]

Kinda.

[crystal forum]

minotaurs are mysterious

[storm jungle]

They were reformed once

[remote wadi]

But I started 5 years ago

[storm jungle]

because their original formation was just berserkers

[remote wadi]

Warhammer is a 40year story

It's hard to catch up

[hollow lantern]

Lmfao, gotcha

[storm jungle]

they are much more brainscanned/fucked now

[hollow lantern]

Ik now they're all programmed

[crystal forum]

we dont know their gene seed afaik

[humble shoal]

and they have the biggest chapter master

[hollow lantern]

And iirc Moloc isn't a dude but an honorific of sorts

[humble shoal]

size of a blackstone foretress

[hollow lantern]

No they don't

[crystal forum]

or how the high lords of terra even have access to space marine gene seeds

[hollow lantern]

That's Seydon

[storm jungle]

highly recommend Arbitrator Ian's vid on em, he goes into it well enough
https://youtu.be/KZ_Ezv0clyU

[hollow lantern]

Who is unironically taller than Guilliman

[storm jungle]

without any of the slop bullshit

or wrong lore information

[vagrant fox]

don't talk about seydon

[crystal forum]

does he treat the older minotaurs as cannon?

because i dont

[storm jungle]

They are literally a part of the Forgeworld book they appear in, they are canon lol

[hollow lantern]

God I miss that style of shoulderpad tbh, that's super classic 40k to me

[storm jungle]

its referenced in their origin text

[crystal forum]

but it's like a completely different chapter

[storm jungle]

jay

those are Brazen Minotaurs

you fucking dingus

[crystal forum]

based on a writer's homebrew

[storm jungle]

lmao

[crystal forum]

naaah

[storm jungle]

yah

look it up bitch

[crystal forum]

ok

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

ok maybe

[storm jungle]

Im gonna rip out your spine

and mount it above my fireplace

[crystal forum]

they should get a book

[storm jungle]

but yeah its different chapters

[crystal forum]

they're like one of the only interesting chapters

[remote wadi]

Don't the world eaters pass down their memories to new recruits

Making more fcked world eaters

[storm jungle]

thats not the same thing

world eaters are not related to minotaurs

[remote wadi]

Oh okies

[hallow saddle]

arbitor ian mentioned

[crystal forum]

but also the mystery of the minotaurs is what keeps them interesting

[hallow saddle]

best loretuber easy

[storm jungle]

^^^^^^^^

Ian Propaganda is the best propaganda

[crystal forum]

simp!!

[storm jungle]

well yeah thats the thing that mystery has always been kept

we DONT know what or who they are

the fandom are just morons lol

[remote wadi]

The emperor

[humble shoal]

vulcum

[hallow saddle]

like half the primarchs are taller

[storm jungle]

We dont know who/what Moloch is
We dont know their true origin
We dont know the genesis of their geneseed

etc etc

all this has been kept

[remote wadi]

Honestly guilliman is weird

[crystal forum]

what's moloch

[storm jungle]

their chapter master

[remote wadi]

Like he is the literal writer of the codex

Proceeds to join eldari

Like wtf bro

[humble shoal]

some dude who asks you to sacrifice babies I think

[storm jungle]

Asterion Moloch, not to be confused with Astarion from the critically acclaimed Baldurs Gate 3™

[hallow saddle]

i think ian does go into the possible origins of moloch in his minotaurs vid?

[storm jungle]

Yeah he repeats whats said on the forgeworld books

[celest dome]

He didn't join the Eldari, and the Codex isn't the Lectitio

[storm jungle]

which is essentially "its either one person thats been heavily augmented or a title taken by each replacement of the previous Master"

[crystal forum]

damn what a badass mini

[storm jungle]

Sloppa.

[dark moon]

Tech-Acquisitor Scaevola moment.

Mechanicus was such a great game.

[humble shoal]

he's so jacked his abs go through the power armor

[crystal forum]

it's the roman style

[humble shoal]

I know

[storm jungle]

looks more american to me

[celest dome]

Greek ?

[storm jungle]

^

get that roman dogshit outta here

[crystal forum]

idk who cares

[storm jungle]

we do you little twink fuck

[storm jungle]

gonna put you in some car chargers

[humble shoal]

idk spear is short for a greek

[crystal forum]

it's all the same to me

[humble shoal]

they should make macedonian pikes for minotaurs

[storm jungle]

racist

[celest dome]

Pikes on miniatures are kinda sucky

[hallow saddle]

that could be for model purposes cause the long ones will bend on the model

[storm jungle]

this formation is amazing, anyway orbital batteries go

[celest dome]

And it is a Turk that say that about the Greek

[storm jungle]

only I get to hate Greeks

not this furry individual

[humble shoal]

its a shames the romans figured out the counter

[crystal forum]

i was thinking roman because of that fat general in the asterix comic books who's armor has muscles on it despite him being just made of lard

[remote wadi]

Isn't he creating an alliance with them

[celest dome]

Not really

[humble shoal]

spoken like a true balkan

[celest dome]

And the Codex isn't full hardon toward Xenophobic

[storm jungle]

[vagrant fox]

another dilara turkkk moment smh

[humble shoal]

I'm an american

[crystal forum]

how does somebody defeat such a thing???

[humble shoal]

[remote wadi]

Ok but as a military leader of the emperor you would think he would be pro the original crusade

[humble shoal]

javelins into the ground makes the formation unable to move well

[storm jungle]

...am I suppose to know the difference

[humble shoal]

yeah we shower sometimes

[celest dome]

Move to the side, use uneven terrain, fortification, longer pikes

[storm jungle]

no

[humble shoal]

[crystal forum]

noooo you can't defeat the invincible hoplite phalanx

[urban spire]

dilara you doin ok?

[storm jungle]

hoplite?

are they hopping while lite

[humble shoal]

thats a macedonian phalanx

[remote wadi]

Rocks

[humble shoal]

hoplite had shorter spears

[crystal forum]

😴

[remote wadi]

We waited for them to pass throught terrain and throw big rocks

[humble shoal]

or small spears

[crystal forum]

you were there?

[humble shoal]

hit the shields, shields become heavy

shields drop

if javelins miss they gfo in ground

add obstacles

[remote wadi]

No but the people that lived in the land I currently live in were their opposition

[humble shoal]

you damned slingers

[celest dome]

Tbf, they were much more effective

[humble shoal]

I know

[remote wadi]

Romans were very good at formations

[crystal forum]

you have like 0 cultural relations to bronze age cultures man 😭

europeans need to stop pretending that shit

[humble shoal]

roman navy best navy

[remote wadi]

I mean we reinvented those strats in Portugal later

[celest dome]

New World weakness

[remote wadi]

But when we were created the Romans were out already

It's just that instead of big rocks

We had the bowman flank

[celest dome]

The Tercio ? That was mostly Spanish, and came from the arrival of Muskets and the phasing out of shields

[remote wadi]

No

The mediaeval flank that made the Spanish die trying to conquer us

Three times

[humble shoal]

best dressed though:

[crystal forum]

when the ye olde cannone comes forth:

[crystal forum]

part of me believes i would have been a bowman but god those warbows require so much upper body strength

[remote wadi]

Basically we set them to go into a specific terrain

We trapped it with ground spikes

And we had bowman ready to flank them

Looking from a modern view it sounds like how did the Spanish felt for it

[humble shoal]

horse archers

[remote wadi]

But they did

[crystal forum]

there's a reason those weren't common

requires insane amount of skill

[humble shoal]

I know

[crystal forum]

just shooting a gun from a horse is hard enough

a bow???

i wouldn't

[celest dome]

Pistols are easier and more suited for skirting runs

[dark moon]

Warbows are well and good, but crossbows are pretty nice.

[crystal forum]

oh yeah definitely

much easier to use

[celest dome]

Easier to train troops into using them, but slower rof

[remote wadi]

Cross bows were made for untrained people

Bows were for people trained to use since the age of 4

[crystal forum]

you can also aim your shot better with a crossbow, especially for the same draw power of a bow

at least imo

[remote wadi]

Yes but usually you only get one shoot before a cavalry is on yoy

Unless Ur arterilery

[dark moon]

Better make it count

[remote wadi]

And bowman's were incredibly skilled

[celest dome]

That's why you have pikes planted, or pikemens nearby

[crystal forum]

that's why bowmen were placed behind spear lines afaik

[dark moon]

And/or a pavise

[remote wadi]

Eventually we just realized aiming bow shoots was dum

[celest dome]

Pavisse are more against enemy ranged fire afaik

Not really for enemy cavalry

[remote wadi]

And just throwing a bunch of arrows in the sky is way more efficient

And way less hard to train

[languid meadow]

Pavise was for enemy missiles yes

[dark moon]

Yeah, but a makeshift barricade thing makes me feel better when I’m about to get turned into red mist by a horseman

[crystal forum]

how to defeat horse: crouch down so they can't reach you

[celest dome]

The weight and speed of a horse will mean that having the Pavisse will just be harder to dodge

[remote wadi]

Too bad they have a spear

[crystal forum]

not always

[celest dome]

Being trampled by a horse will not be a pleasant fate

[crystal forum]

also the spear gets stuck quick

[languid meadow]

I mean that's even if the horse will charge into it

like it's an animal and not too keen about running into things

[crystal forum]

ye avoid the horse legs too

[dark moon]

Then I die with a nice pavise on my back.

[remote wadi]

Also let's not talk about how many times the horse rider was killed

But the horse did the job

[humble shoal]

shoot the horse, the rider dies

[crystal forum]

horses take more than just one arrow

those things are tough man

[remote wadi]

Unironically true

The horse will throw his rider with immense strength

But honestly being the no horse infantry was shit

Ur armor was barely functional

[crystal forum]

warhorses won't panic at being shot that i can tell you

[remote wadi]

And u had a sword to deal with Welp horse riders

[celest dome]

Cavalrymen weren't the worst/riskiest employment, horses were expensive and training horsemen were too.
So they're not really used for too risky tasks unlike infantry that were often thrown into the meat grinder to push the enemy to react

[remote wadi]

Being a bowman was the best chances of survival

Cause hey if the frontline fails

Run the fuck away

[crystal forum]

horses will survive war but then require euthanasia if they sprain an ankle when walking. it's so wacky

[celest dome]

Depend
Plenty of English battles had the Archers left unprotected and being run down by the enemy cavalry that sneaked around

[remote wadi]

To be fair warhorses were extremely traumatized

[dark moon]

It would have been pretty cool to be an artillery-man back then.

Haha, trebuchet goes brrrr

[celest dome]

Also being captured as an archer...

[crystal forum]

im saying horses are weirdly weak to themselves

[remote wadi]

True

[celest dome]

Hyper specialised in running

[crystal forum]

my sister had to put down her horses for dumb shit they did to themselves

[remote wadi]

Ok be a viking

Don't actually fight a war

[crystal forum]

one of those horses broke its neck by like sleeping wrong

[remote wadi]

Just go in pillage, kill do all the bad shit

And get out

Like it never happened

[celest dome]

They have a specialised thing in their stomach that prevent reflux when they run

[crystal forum]

seeing LAPD trample people with horses made me wish caltrops get a comeback

[celest dome]

Be Viking
Born poor
Sent on boat to raid cause no jobs at home
Arrive in England, have a 1/3 chance of dying
Arrive in France, think it was 1/2

[remote wadi]

You don't need them

Tasers are cheap

Tasers are effective Vs horse

[crystal forum]

really?

well that would require getting in taser range of a cop riding a horse

[celest dome]

Wire up lamp posts, Horse rider are quite high up, they run through, won't be pleasant

[crystal forum]

why tf do they still use horses anyways

what is this? victorian england?

[celest dome]

More legal charge than if they did it with a car or truck

[crystal forum]

legit that might be the reason

[daring creek]

Can any of you drop any music reccs

[hallow saddle]

cause horses are big and so much more manoeuverable

[daring creek]

I'm very tired of breakcore

god

[hollow lantern]

What genre?

[hallow saddle]

like they could be on bikes instead for example or in vehicles but then the vehicles are hard to move and easy to be blocked

horse can sstep over people

and also ur way high up

looks imposing

[daring creek]

idk something chill to listen to

[crystal forum]

yeah and kill them very easily

[storm jungle]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOUkGI5PL3qLYZ4ZtTQs4QkQsODM9Owef

[crystal forum]

horses are so dangerous

[hallow saddle]

sure

[storm jungle]

pretty sure thats what he meant with "step over" lol

[hallow saddle]

no one wants to fuck with a horse

thats kind of helpful if ur deploying horses

[storm jungle]

the entire aspect of riders lording over people with horses is suppose tobe psychological

[hollow lantern]

https://youtu.be/ppJQKfqhFfE?si=DHuuubqTAr41TzM6

[urban spire]

i love breakcore because i consume it in moderation

anyway check out the OST to cobalt core, it's so lovely

[crystal forum]

just need people to form an orderly spear line..

[urban spire]

and also not breakcore

[crystal forum]

have any of you played halfsword

great game

free on steam

[urban spire]

https://youtu.be/C0b3p1teA9M

[daring creek]

I like cobalt core sounds so far

[remote wadi]

Horses are better in a limited running space

Cars cant follow people off road

Horses can

[daring creek]

tbh reading is kind of difficult for me, I mean I can read but not for very long

low attention span

I need to watch how much I use tbh and like..

but thats ADHD for ya :p

[humble shoal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xS11-GIemXY

[daring creek]

I try and read a bit each day

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-peacemaker-showing-off-my-moves-dance-moves-john-cena-gif-2478019590838627074

[urban spire]

i've got adhd, but books have never been an issue for me as long as i like them

[daring creek]

holyshit its judge dredd

[storm jungle]

shut the fuck up lol

[daring creek]

Yea

[humble shoal]

no there is nothing there

[daring creek]

See like

I got a problem with doing things

and over doing things

I can definitely keep reading this book but like

[urban spire]

can't believe the first time i saw that fucking nazi dance was when fortnite fucked up bad enough to make the news

[daring creek]

at what point am I going to put it down

[storm jungle]

it was in our face the ENTIRE TIME

[lament shoal]

Made a genestealer cultist avatar lol

[urban spire]

i hadn't seen peacemaker

[daring creek]

sick

[urban spire]

i still haven't actually, it's on the list

[humble shoal]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jhM5F70jxZQ

[storm jungle]

you are missing out a lot

[humble shoal]

felenid sm

new class

[daring creek]

May watch peacemaker

Need a nice show to watch

[storm jungle]

Do watch peacemaker

[urban spire]

it's on the list, but the list is long

[near wasp]

Peacemaker is good

[storm jungle]

yeah you're never watching it lmao

[daring creek]

Whoever gave me the cobalt soundtrack

thnx

its rlly good rn

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-3584473422170938815

[daring creek]

[crystal forum]

we're talking protests in the middle of LA though

[lament shoal]

How does he survive being killed in that one movie tho

[storm jungle]

then eat shit and die

[daring creek]

IT SAYS DO

[lament shoal]

I think it was suicide squad

[storm jungle]

Hes a comic book character + people have survived worse

we have account sof people being impaled in the brain and surviving lol

[near wasp]

Because gunn decided to retcon it

[daring creek]

Dilara can't read 🥀

[storm jungle]

Which to add

he almost never EVER does

he just liked Cena and the character that much

which says something lol

[near wasp]

Yesh

[urban spire]

https://tenor.com/view/tiny-text-cant-see-ken-jeong-gif-5957945

[near wasp]

Cena is a great actor tbh

[daring creek]

enhance eyez

[storm jungle]

100%

he always keeps characters dead so this was one time he broke the rule iirc

[lament shoal]

Surely they gave a lore reason to bring him back? Or are they just like "yeah that never happened" lol

[storm jungle]

It did

[crystal forum]

the fact that it's never talked about is pretty funny too

[humble shoal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rI9lYjE1eY

[storm jungle]

he literally starts in the hospital

[languid meadow]

Need Cena and Batista to be in the same movie with Gunn writing

[storm jungle]

watch the show lol

[daring creek]

Like I can very easily get stuck doing one thing for a whole day and refuse to do anything else until I'm "satisfied"

[lament shoal]

Ah gotcha

[languid meadow]

well characters he loves reusing actors he likes for smaller roles

[storm jungle]

he has an entire argument with a hospital janitor who thinks hes a racist superhero due to his dad being a white supremacist

[languid meadow]

considering Rooker is uh

[storm jungle]

still keeps em dead, so its not really counting

[languid meadow]

He loves Micheal Rooker

[daring creek]

I think I'm going to just take a few minute break, then return to reading.

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-red-st-wild-peacemaker-i-got-you-blink-gif-9946221708275320447

[daring creek]

Like

I used to get stuck reading berserk for hours.

[dark moon]

What book ya reading?

[daring creek]

Horus Heresy

[storm jungle]

"I DIDNT KNOW, IM SOOORRY"

[dark moon]

Which one lmao

[crystal forum]

what comic character was this guy based on anyways

[daring creek]

Oh shit right horus rising

[storm jungle]

some really unknown D-Lister, like most of the characters Gunn picks

[dark moon]

Cool.

[languid meadow]

Red St. Wild which is a very obscure character

[crystal forum]

just some white guy adopting native american stuff it was funny

[daring creek]

Likee. I'd eat a volume of Berserk a day, one chapter of Higurashi a day.

[storm jungle]

its legit great for that reason alone ngl

[daring creek]

One chapter of Tsukihime a day

[storm jungle]

especially the wya he gets killed

"IM SORRY, I DIDNT KNOW"

[crystal forum]

oh yeah

[storm jungle]

"I thought ALL chinamen came from china"

BRO SHUT UP

💀

[daring creek]

I get so badly addicted to reading/playing things sometimes its so much

[crystal forum]

the fact that eagly being a primal eagle was supposed to be a ruse

[remote wadi]

What was it about

[crystal forum]

and then it's actually true

[storm jungle]

thats usually my favorite trope

"This is all made up bullshit it isnt legit"

cue mythological super-eagle

https://tenor.com/view/eagly-dancing-peacemaker-eagle-dance-gif-7799276591463669488

[daring creek]

I need to hunt for music absent of vocals tbh

[near wasp]

@storm jungle I'll never get of judomaster eating hot chips the entire show, well that or being unconscious

[crystal forum]

and eagly still eats chips and acts like a dick

[storm jungle]

bro that shit is pure propaganda, ive never wanted cheetos so bad

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/showing-myself-judomaster-peacemaker-here-i-am-it's-me-gif-1263917696797270421

[storm jungle]

and I HATE cheetos

[storm jungle]

UAAAGH

[dark moon]

Listen to Jazz and/or Blues pal.

[daring creek]

maybe

[near wasp]

The hot Cheetos slap

[crystal forum]

i went to buy red hot cheetos just because of judomaster

[storm jungle]

I need some, they look tasty af the way he crunch-eats them

[crystal forum]

then i remembered i hate red hot and cheetos

[storm jungle]

I love when they were searching Chris' hideout

then see the cheeto dust

and are like

"JUDOMASTER WAS HERE"

[remote wadi]

Wait you guys have red hot cheetos

[crystal forum]

lmao yeah

[remote wadi]

It was a limited edition here

[dark moon]

But make sure you go first with the golden age stuff, like from the early to middle 1900s.

[remote wadi]

[crystal forum]

that's because you're european L

[storm jungle]

the show is in the US so i assume thats how he just gets them constantly

we dont have em here either 💀

[crystal forum]

dont worry red hot is shit anyways

just tastes like mild heat

[remote wadi]

I mean to be fair we have pop tarts but I will never know how they taste for you

Cause the original recipe goes agaisnt our food laws

[crystal forum]

idk i dont eat pop tarts regularly

[languid meadow]

they're kind of gross

[remote wadi]

Oh

Here they overly sweet

[dark moon]

Depends on which one ya buy pal.

[crystal forum]

i want to know what happened that required him to electrocute people in a pool

[storm jungle]

tbh considering hes a merc it could have been anything

[crystal forum]

he's me favorite little gay guy

took the show until season 2 to even confirm he's gay

[storm jungle]

I always got that vibe so im glad they just said it lol

its very casual/natural too

[remote wadi]

He was well written

[storm jungle]

hes my favorite little asian guy

https://tenor.com/view/judomaster-ripleyjagger-ripjagger-peacemaker-cat-eating-gif-6961079610329163439

[crystal forum]

OH MY GOD HES HOT

[storm jungle]

DAMN

No wonder they added that shit to the script

i couldnt even tell he was this built from the costume lmao

[crystal forum]

finally a gay character played by an actual gayboy

makes me happy

[storm jungle]

the wokepaganda....

https://tenor.com/view/pika-nod-pika-nod-yes-pikachu-gif-12587523804982052148

[paper haven]

https://tenor.com/view/showing-myself-judomaster-peacemaker-here-i-am-it's-me-gif-1263917696797270421

[sacred bluff]

i think i'll start the lion before i continue onto above and beyond (and small novels)

[storm jungle]

Yeah its just a one-off novel so prob for the best

especially since for Above you gotta read 2 Short stories

[remote wadi]

Honestly I like how the lion was written

It gives cypher more significance

[daring creek]

Alright so you run the Imperium

You're the emperor and shit

you don't want people to believe in god and what not

[storm jungle]

Never gonna work.

[daring creek]

nore see you or your sons as gods

yet

you

let them wear fucking halos atop their heads

and

decorate their armor with fucking laurels???

[storm jungle]

They try to explain it later novels but it doesnt really make any lick of sense either way. Dont think too hard about it.

[remote wadi]

Bold of you to assume the emperor didn't lie

[daring creek]

Loken keeps calling Dorn and Horus gods, in internal Dialogue it was over from the start

[storm jungle]

Hes cooked.

[daring creek]

brainrot

[remote wadi]

I unironically think the emperor was a liar in many things

First of all he knew the primarchs would betray him eventually yet he didn't prepare for it happening earlier than what he expected

Second of all space marines were not what he build the empire for

Third of all he had multiple souls in him other perpetuals dont

The empire was doomed to fail from the start

[celest dome]

What does having multiple souls have to do with being a lier ?

[remote wadi]

You know who also has multiple souls

Chaos gods

[celest dome]

They don't though

They prey/consume souls, but they don't really have "souls" themselves in the same way that material have

[remote wadi]

Then why are deamons made off chaos gods souls

(Welp they also made out of souls that are aligned to them I guess)

[storm jungle]

Bro im gonna go insane

[crystal forum]

he only has one soul

[celest dome]

They're made out of the same base component, but they're not souls

[daring creek]

Garviel Loken:"War will end one da-" LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER

[storm jungle]

there will be war

you could say

only war

in some kinda

grim darkness

[daring creek]

kek

[storm jungle]

of the far future

[daring creek]

what is this some kind of warhammer

[remote wadi]

Anyways the way the emperor lied to the space marines about their goals and objectives in existence would back fire anyways

[storm jungle]

dude you joke

but they actually say this shit

lmao

[daring creek]

WHAT

LOL

[storm jungle]

Sigismund is the one that says it i think

[celest dome]

In fairness, if we consider the old Shaman stuff and/or the different shards, one could missunderstand that the Emp has/had multiple souls

[storm jungle]

YEAH LMAO

Let me find it

[crystal forum]

that's if you even think it's his origin

which is very much up for debate

[celest dome]

I did say "if we consider"

[remote wadi]

Also the moment the perpetuals gave up on the emperor he should have considered that maybe he was wrong

[celest dome]

Just made popcorn with strawberry caramel and it's so great

[remote wadi]

Wow

Now I want some caramel

[celest dome]

Or that they were wrong.
Hindsight is easier, but not like introspection is part of the Emperor's skill set

[daring creek]

I AM LITERALLY ON THE PAGE

LMFAO

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

Fucking verbatim

[remote wadi]

I mean he supposedly can see the future

Just not how to achieve it

[celest dome]

The future is never set, even Tzeentch doesn't know everything, hell Kairos Fateweaver is the best seer and still can be beaten more often than not, and even surprised

[storm jungle]

Did you like the starter pages

"Abaddon and the mournival moved through the onslaught like a legion. A black legion."

fuck sakes

[daring creek]

either I missed or are not there yet

probably not there yet

[remote wadi]

Honestly I like how the black makes sense for them

Since black is the mixture of all colors

And they are the mixture of all legions

I mean not quite yet but they accept everyone

[hollow lantern]

Least on the nose 40k writing

[remote wadi]

I like the way they wrote the black legion I just don't like how they wrote Abaddon in non chaos novels

Not saying he shouldn't be seen as a evil coward but they kinda downplayed how much Abaddon actually did

[daring creek]

Right now I am really really liking the casual talk between the Astartes and the Primarchs.

Almost makes me wish I had downloaded this book so I can show the literal text

I love the way they're humanized in humor

Oh yeah

and the beef is really real lmfao

even though Dorn and Horus are chill with eachother, in the present at least. There's still petty beef between chapters and I'm finding it real funny lmfao.

I think Primarchs represent some of the personalities of their astartes and vice versa. But thats honestly just a guess.

Right now I'm wondering about how exactly Loken got the idea that War may end someday.

Hm.

[remote wadi]

I mean when the emperor turns to the dark king the war is over

Cause they dead

[young pecan]

It always feels like writers are jerking off when they do this sort of thing

[remote wadi]

I mean legions are also cultures so yeah

[lament shoal]

Maaaaan. I was subscribed to this guy too. He live streams the radios from the fallout games

Tf is up with people bruh

[daring creek]

This shit looks like a joke

[remote wadi]

Oh nu we got to the scary line

Where people got called negative names for so long they embraced it

[lament shoal]

Well its gone now lol

People called him out and he deleted it

[storm jungle]

LMFAO BRUH

[daring creek]

Literally just go and read the latest edition of Hitler and Nazi Germany by Jackson J. Spielvogel.

You will learn that Germany was bad even before the Nazi's came about.

[storm jungle]

He basically took advantage of the brewing fears yeah

[remote wadi]

To be fair they lost world war 1

[storm jungle]

its how he rose so quickly

[remote wadi]

And they didn't had control over it

[storm jungle]

tell people what they wanna hear and you'll always get to a position like him

[remote wadi]

And their economy was fcked

[lament shoal]

Yeah germany wasn't the same following ww1

Shit was bad over there

[daring creek]

Oh yeah that is true and the Treaty of Versailles did make people angry and was used as further propanda, including the turnip winter where people were just starving.

and anti-semitic propaganda

I think it was like

The Backstab conspiracy? Something like that

it has been a while since I touched the book tbh

[remote wadi]

They had to pay reparations for a war their allies lost

Meanwhile Russia was out of it

[daring creek]

Oh yeah thats how you breed nationalism

[remote wadi]

Welp ussr

[daring creek]

Yeah.

[rose thorn]

wtf-

[celest dome]

Quite baffling, iirc the German army had many Jewish soldiers in WW1 (% to their population ratio)

[daring creek]

Including discontent with weimar germany

[daring creek]

Mhm.

[remote wadi]

Can I say a historical fact about my country that is kinda race specific

[rose thorn]

[daring creek]

I'm fine with it, personally.

[remote wadi]

@storm jungle is this bannable

[daring creek]

[rose thorn]

What happened???

[remote wadi]

Nothing

[daring creek]

Nothing bad we're just talking about history

[remote wadi]

I just don't wanna say something if it's bannable

[daring creek]

ye^

[storm jungle]

?

[remote wadi]

If I say something about this is it bannable

[storm jungle]

As long as you arent being a chud you wont get banned lol

[remote wadi]

Oh ok

Basically during the colonial wars they fed some real anti race propaganda to people that belong to that race and were part of our army

It's still a stain we had during the dictatorship

[daring creek]

Uh what country if ur ok w saying?

[remote wadi]

Portugal

[daring creek]

Ah.

[remote wadi]

I'm just saying usually when they wanna propagate hate they will go as far as create self hatred

[languid meadow]

about 100k iirc which be it only 1% of the army is still a lot of people, just adds further tragedy to the upcoming years and events

especially since a lot of the received iron crosses

[humble shoal]

I mean the anti-jewish sentiment is older than ww1 isn't it?

with the predecessoir to thew thule society

[young pecan]

You have been baited and will promptly be banned

[humble shoal]

in like 1890s

[young pecan]

That's really strange though

[daring creek]

Yes it very much is yeah.

[young pecan]

What was the propaganda trying to paint?

[humble shoal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanenorden

misremembered

was off by ~20 years

[remote wadi]

Sadge

[languid meadow]

like hundreds of years old

[humble shoal]

was talking about specifically in germany

[languid meadow]

ah

I mean if you count the HRE hundreds of years old

[daring creek]

Most likely

[humble shoal]

I mean a lot of the jews in germany had fled russia

to germany

[humble shoal]

but the real meat of the nazi's goofy ass shit had more roots in this stuff

[remote wadi]

If you wanna be bible accurate it goes back to egypt

[humble shoal]

actually it goes back to babylon

if we wanna get biblical

[remote wadi]

True

[languid meadow]

I guess it's different in the HRE actually because any religious minority was hated, if you were in a catholic state and protestant oh boy.

[near wasp]

Pretty much everybody hated Jews in ye olden times

[languid meadow]

but yeah Jews have been used a scapegoat for thousands of years

[humble shoal]

Ironically the romans didnt hate jews

hated christians more

[arctic talon]

well

they considered them the same thing sometimes

iirc

[languid meadow]

well they were mostly all the same to them anyway since non roman

[humble shoal]

eh, christians were dissidents while the jews were roman subjects at the very least

and jews didnt try to convert romans

[remote wadi]

But they turned Christian

[humble shoal]

(saul)

[humble shoal]

after their empire fell apart

[daring creek]

Imagine your first book is Horus Rising, you know literally nothing about 40k

[languid meadow]

constantine was a good emperor and he was the first christian roman emperor

[remote wadi]

To be fair Romans didn't had beef with no culture god

[near wasp]

Jewdism and Christianity hadnt quite seperated

[daring creek]

And you keep reading "Servitors"

[remote wadi]

Their idea was literally Ur god is our god

So you lose Ur morality

[humble shoal]

constantine was politcally christian to try and maintain any sort of power

[daring creek]

and your like "Oh, this is probably a weird spelling of servant" Which is true, partially.

[near wasp]

Oh gods

[humble shoal]

The council of nicea pretty much was an attempt to keep the empire together with something

it failed

[remote wadi]

The reality is Christianity was used by emperors and nobles alike to keep their power

Until it broke

[languid meadow]

but yeah ONE of the reasons the romans didn't like early christians was their proselytizing and general dissent making

[humble shoal]

and ruining the youth

[languid meadow]

da youth

everyone wants to write a book

Babylon has fallen the end is near

[daring creek]

The term "politically christian"

[humble shoal]

then again some pre-nicea apocrypha is wild

like the peter wizard duels in the colloseum

[daring creek]

[remote wadi]

Wasn't agnosticism around

[humble shoal]

there was a lot of shit around

council of nicea basically made an orthodox

and called the other groups heretics

and killed em

Ironically I'd say Christianity at about right after the council of nicea is super close to how the 40k ecclesiarchy works

[daring creek]

I need to touch another book besides warhammer

Something nice and calming, happy I think.

But then again

whats a good book on arbitrators..

I really liked how Dorn became vulnerable to Loken.

It was really sweet

[remote wadi]

I mean a lot of Warhammer writting is based of real life mythology

(they use themes rather than direct history)

[humble shoal]

was referring to the sorta disjointed on the bottom

with all of the cults

[daring creek]

Yeah like how The Salamanders are actually based off a myth about Salamanders being immune to fire.

[remote wadi]

Or how they name characters

Erebus is the titan of hell

[daring creek]

Something something a log on fire led to a bunch of little ones running out.

[remote wadi]

The real representation of darkness

Erebus in Warhammer is Welp the reason humanity felt to darkness

[opaque coyote]

If you were English, you probably would at least know how to use one anyways

Problem is that

If you were English

[daring creek]

Thinking about making a double heavy stubber build

I fully leveled it up, but I don't really use it.

I only did because....

[opaque coyote]

But yeah, if I remember correctly, every English peasant had to know how to use a bow and to practice with it

[daring creek]

[opaque coyote]

Even after the advent of the crossbow

[daring creek]

My brain just wouldn't be satisfied until everything was golden.

[crystal forum]

like most british history i always assume there's some bullshit with that factoid that british keep regurgitating

idk what bullshit but there must be

some level of bullshittery

[opaque coyote]

If they specify longbow, it's wrong

It's just archery in general

[crystal forum]

oh lol

yeah prob not longbows

[opaque coyote]

But besides that, yeah you were basically required to learn how to use a bow

So that when you're drafted. It would be easier for you to y'know

Actually fight

[crystal forum]

those things im positive that "training" just means getting the muscles to even use it more than 3 shots

[opaque coyote]

In general, god damn are bows fucking awesome

[opaque coyote]

Also they were still required to know how to use a traditional bow even after crossbows became popular

[remote wadi]

I agree I have a bow myself

[crystal forum]

same

[remote wadi]

Not a hunting one tho

[opaque coyote]

Which is funny because that would be equivalent to like

[crystal forum]

especially given that archers prob had to shoot like 50 shots in a battle

consistently

hell of a workout

[opaque coyote]

"YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW TO USE A MUSKET DESPITE US HAVING BREACHLOADING RIFLES!"

[crystal forum]

that was a thing

[opaque coyote]

It's a little funny

[crystal forum]

im pretty sure

muzzle loaders kept being used after breech loaders were invented

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's a "just in case"

Type of thing

Like "oh we ran out of breachloaders. You're getting the fucking musket"

"Gee thanks."

[crystal forum]

more like you have to be prepared to use the worst equipment before using the best

since using a breach loader is easier

so might as well learn the muzzle loader

[remote wadi]

Muskets sck man

That's why we kept having swords

[daring creek]

Where do I start when writing a setting...

[crystal forum]

plus when training troops you often use the shittiest equipment

since your good stuff is at the front

that's why some armies kept using WW2 weapons well into the 70's

just for training

[daring creek]

@storm jungle You write right, where do I begin in writing my setting. I think I actually wrote quite a bit of it in like two notebooks. but its been a while since I wrote about the biggest universe I have in my head.

[opaque coyote]

Depends on what you're using the setting for

[daring creek]

more in the later one than the new

[opaque coyote]

A campaign I assume?

[daring creek]

A setting for multiple stories to take place in

[remote wadi]

A setting takes years to write

[opaque coyote]

I would honestly suggest writing the characters and deciding on a theme first for the story.

Then basing/adapting the setting around that

[remote wadi]

You first compel some ideas then you work backwards towards it

Do not commit the mistake to outright write the entire setting before the story

[daring creek]

Rigggghtttttt.

[opaque coyote]

The world doesn't matter if we don't have anybody interesting to follow it with

y'know?

[humble shoal]

why the us still has an active ship of sail

[crystal forum]

it's honestly easy to create a setting if you follow general ideas

just a bit time consuming

[grand hound]

We have an active ship in the same way we keep most of our old girls moored in the major naval docks for people to walk through

[arctic talon]

Plagiarism of story for your ttrpg campaign speeds things up/j

[crystal forum]

that's also for the bragging rights 😎

[opaque coyote]

most of the US navy is basically aircraft carriers and submarines

if i remember correctly

[humble shoal]

pretty much

[grand hound]

Most WW2 era gear, vehicles for the most part, were sold to recoup some of the wartime loss and retrofitted by second rate powers to do good enough for their different use cases

[humble shoal]

its basically only crewed by naval academy students to prove its still possible for modern sailers

[humble shoal]

excep for the battleships in desert shield

[crystal forum]

tbh it really does teach teamwork since a sailship is not easy at all to use

[near wasp]

Sail ships are so cool

[grand hound]

Somewhat, doctrinally we use carrier strike groups and nothing has effectively replaced the power which can be projected by a carrier, therefore for our needs they're better, but hypothetically with the range of most modern jets and most countries not needing to project power the need for their navy to support the cost of a carrier is more bragging rights than a doctrinally sound choice

[humble shoal]

carrier group casn also be used to contest airspace

[grand hound]

Britain and Russia could probably do without, but they won't

[near wasp]

Aegis is gonna shoot you out of orbit

[opaque coyote]

we should return back to battleships smh

fuck jets, we need CANNONS SHOOTING OTHER SHIPS

[crystal forum]

i think the most important part of carriers im the modern era of combat is they can be positioned anywhere in the world that has a coastline and give direct air support to ground troops

[opaque coyote]

||jk||

[humble shoal]

If they came back they would likelyu just be used for shore bombardment

[opaque coyote]

||would kill to see any battleship battle from a safe distance tho||

[humble shoal]

which tbh they do better than carriers

[opaque coyote]

Also visited a WW2 era submarine

Bro I have no idea how people lasted weeks inside those things

[humble shoal]

I want to visit the civil war era submarine

[crystal forum]

that distance would be farther than the horizon

literally

[opaque coyote]

Definitely but would be some

fucking wild fireworks with a telescope of some kind

[crystal forum]

just be in a plane if it's a japanese battleship

then you'll be safe

[humble shoal]

there's a german movie of a submarine crew going nuts

[opaque coyote]

Seriously though, the bunks were smaller than my college dorm

God damn

Only slightly though

which

...

is sad honestly

[crystal forum]

prob safer than any other front line military crew

[humble shoal]

best submarine

[crystal forum]

sank because wave too big

[humble shoal]

killed every crewmember on it

several times

still got a kill

[crystal forum]

we really have gone far in technology

[humble shoal]

sbar is peak technology

[grand hound]

The infantryman is the peak of technology

[humble shoal]

ship jousting

[grand hound]

They're still around in a sense, the munitions have just changed to be guided and cruiser class for the most part if we're talking about raw tonnage, but their use cases are the same

[languid meadow]

the confed sub is a hilarious story

[humble shoal]

still a better kd than the monitor

[opaque coyote]

also fun fact

the 1961 cold war-era american nuclear football code was "0000000000" and it continued until 1977.

tbf it makes sense

nobody would expect such a simple code, it's easy to remember, long enough to not be accidental, and easy to execute when nukes can arrive within minutes

[daring creek]

playing music

Praying it's not breakcore

OR ATLEAST NOT THAT SAMEY DRUM RHYTHM

it's so fucking annoying now

I feel like almost everyone uses that fucking drum rhythm

[crystal forum]

afaik a cruise missile could do the job of a battleship's main guns while being mounted on something the size of a destroyer.

[languid meadow]

cruise missiles made naval warfare boring

bring back knife fights with ships

[crystal forum]

also cruise missiles have made land defences way cheaper overall

dont need to build massive forts everywhere

just get a towed cruise missile and move it where needed

[near wasp]

I mean the US is strapping aegis missiles to planes and using another plane to lock onto a target so a missile can just fucking kill you from beyond the horizon

[wintry scarab]

I have nowhere to post this, so ill vent it here. For honour. Played it a ton around 5 years ago, cross save got added, so ive been getting back into it. Ive just tried to join a game, only to get a message basically saying "anticheat has detected a suspicious player in your session. The session has been terminated." Ok, cool. SO WHY TF DO I GET A FUCKING 15min BAN?!?! I fucking hate French people.

[storm jungle]

well

at least its a 15m ban

and not a week lmao

[wintry scarab]

If it was a week, id be going to france rn with a pitchfork and a torch.

[arctic talon]

That’s crazy you get a temp ban for a match being terminated

lol

[storm jungle]

gonna teach the gamers a lesson

[wintry scarab]

Ubisoft hit me with the: "Either you all behave or you all get punished." lol

[urban spire]

wow i was really scrolled up

[near wasp]

I forget goobi is french

[daring creek]

Huh I guess the message of fight club was also that fascism feeds well off of men with a load of insecurities.

[wintry scarab]

I didnt read the meme, it just instantly reminded me of the classic.

[wintry scarab]

I never forget

[humble shoal]

is that

loss

[near wasp]

Every day I'm thankful for the fact that despite how shit my life is at least I'm not french

[wintry scarab]

Amen brother, amen.

[daring creek]

I guess this also means they're just becoming mask off.

Like idk dude. If you're like...an actual mature adult...or like....someone who actually knows how to behave properly, you're not just going to start saying hitler shit just because people kept calling you a nazi, like. would a person who is not a nazi embrace nazi ideology

grr, I hate being called a nazi, so I guess I'll become one then

Like

[near wasp]

I get called a Nazi all the time at a certain point you just kinda tune it out

[daring creek]

What sort of line of thinking is that...

[near wasp]

It's called becoming the monster they call you

I've seen it happen alot

[humble shoal]

I don't think I've ever seen a person do that tbh

[daring creek]

What if they're already the monster

[lament shoal]

Happens a lot with criminals who have trouble readjusting to normal life

[daring creek]

Oh.

[daring creek]

I was focusing more on like anti woke/nazi junk but yeah thats true.

[humble shoal]

I meant specifically the thing in the infographic

[lament shoal]

Gotcha

[daring creek]

Like

[humble shoal]

but yeah people just stop caring about the word

[near wasp]

Except most people aren't. Calling them one just pushes them further down the road. It makes them hate.

[daring creek]

Yeah true.

I'm just baffled atm.

[daring creek]

I wonder what pushed them to that point though

[urban spire]

idk, you could never make me hate minorities by accusing me of hating minorities, that shit's wild

[daring creek]

YEAH

THATS WHAT I MEAN

[urban spire]

communists being a bit trigger happy with the hard nazi accusation is kind of a valid criticism, but i'm an anarchist and they love to call me a CIA plant, and you don't see me joining the CIA

[storm jungle]

Ironically this new Absolute Batman comic was just doing this lmao

[arctic talon]

Glowies

[storm jungle]

hes about to brutalize one of them before a priest stops him

[humble shoal]

tbf most of the nazis in the 80s/90s were basically cia

[crystal forum]

they fucking hate left wingers that aren't their specific version of left wing

[storm jungle]

imo nazis deserve no mercy but still

[urban spire]

lmao

[lament shoal]

You should totally join the cia bro

[urban spire]

FANTASTIC art

[arctic talon]

What’s new, political infighting will never die

[urban spire]

that's so much fucking work though

[humble shoal]

including the oklahoma city bombing gang, and the start of the whole ruby ridge shit

[daring creek]

What the fuck how is his knee turning that guys skull into a plastic bag

[storm jungle]

shut up

[daring creek]

"Batman doesn't kill people"

[urban spire]

it's fuckin batman he can just do that

[storm jungle]

the artist also made art of him brutalizing an ICE officer and tons of people got mad, i love it

[near wasp]

Years ago I learned an important lesson. I don't hate people because there skin color I usually hate people because there poor and they think my property belongs to them

[humble shoal]

why does batman look like a yaoi doujin protag

[storm jungle]

artist style

you asked this exact question 4 hours ago

[humble shoal]

I did?

[daring creek]

bl batman

[urban spire]

bara, that style is called bara

[humble shoal]

I don't remember that

[daring creek]

right bara is a word

[arctic talon]

Absolute Batman probably killed some people in the past(IE this comic)

He uses a fucking flamethrower

[storm jungle]

Do we consider white supremacists people

[humble shoal]

that servirotship got me acting unwise

[arctic talon]

On a building full of neonazis

[lament shoal]

Someone should make a batman comic in the baki art style

[urban spire]

absolute batman plays a bit more fast and loose with the no kill rule lmao

[storm jungle]

^

[humble shoal]

race supremacists are people, doesnt change that woodchipper is the proper solution

[arctic talon]

He doesn’t kill by the modern comics

[urban spire]

i stopped reading absolute batman because i burned out on comics in general, i should get back on it

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

its very worth it

[arctic talon]

But he seemed to not care about killing people via collateral

In the latest comic

Which is in the past

lol

[near wasp]

Im barely right of center and any time I bring up a political opinion around my area irl I get screamed at and called a Nazi. I've just stopped talking about politics irl. It's such an echo chamber around here

[urban spire]

also absolute wonder woman for lesbian reasons

[daring creek]

I'm hungry

Is it wrong or right to eat white supremacists

[arctic talon]

Don’t eat people

It’s bad for you

[daring creek]

I'll do what I want

[storm jungle]

are you seriously asking this

[arctic talon]

It’s legal to eat human flesh in the US technically

But like

Fucking don’t

[near wasp]

You'll get a brain disease

[arctic talon]

You’ll get a prion and die

[daring creek]

Only if you eat the brain

[arctic talon]

It’s legal to eat human flesh in a lot of places

[humble shoal]

tastes like pork

[arctic talon]

Funnily enough

[storm jungle]

have you considered that Left and Right are both stupid and political parties never aided in anything ever

[arctic talon]

The issue is getting human flesh without you know

[daring creek]

still halal

[arctic talon]

Fucking killing someone

[storm jungle]

The Right especially are just lol

i dont think ill ever look at them in a different way after this term

[humble shoal]

only if killed by imam with the proper knife

[near wasp]

Extremists fucking suck on both ends of the spectrum

[arctic talon]

Can we not discuss butchering and eating people

[urban spire]

omnivores like humans taste like whatever they've been eating recently. bears in the right part of autumn taste like blueberries

[daring creek]

I trust politicians

[arctic talon]

💀

[daring creek]

:)

[storm jungle]

Doesnt matter when one side are literally nazis

I hate this centrist shit

[daring creek]

See leftoids are just edgy little shits on the internet

[near wasp]

And he other are commies

[storm jungle]

"BOTH SIDES CAN BE BAD"

Okay cool

we arent talking about both sides rn

[humble shoal]

its a sorta common thing from people who ate people, human is called tyhe long pork

[daring creek]

nazis are actually killing people

huge difference

[urban spire]

horseshoe theory is weak shit

just the idea that politics is a line going from right to left is dumb as hell

[arctic talon]

Any irl “communist” nations are just facism in a red trench coat

Tbh

[daring creek]

As a centrist I think only half of humanity should perish

[storm jungle]

thanos noooooo

[urban spire]

not fascist, authoritarian. a nitpick maybe but it matters

for one, fascist are waaaaay less competent

[daring creek]

Oh that is a dip

[near wasp]

Fascism is a very specific ideology

[arctic talon]

Okay yeah authoritarian