#40k-lore-chat

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storm jungle
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i love fitting slot graphs into little dots RAAARGH

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šŸ—£ļø šŸ“ˆ

queen laurel
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have you finished ep 3?

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I'm gonna be honest Aaron Paul's performance as Robert is goated

storm jungle
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and yeha Aaron is great, i can barely tell its him

queen laurel
storm jungle
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shes barely worth the investment

wintry cloud
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I plan on playing it, only because itā€™s nostalgia farming my childhood

queen laurel
wintry cloud
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My brain is forcing me to play

queen laurel
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that has an unknown amount of murders under her belt

storm jungle
spring cairn
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it's good

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my fav is still The wolf among us, can't top that

queen laurel
spring cairn
storm jungle
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Wolf is one of my favs just because its a 1 Season and Done story

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very fun

spring cairn
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i love fantasy noire so much

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it's actually unreal how much i love that shit

storm jungle
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also the VERY flat colored artstyle

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its so fucking satisfying to look at

outer wave
storm jungle
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god

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i hope grimal dies

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hate that stupid whiny cunt

outer wave
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Soka.... uguu....

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I dont hate her, but she is a little loud

storm jungle
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stupid little fuck

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wish matilda killed her

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I MEAN

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yeah shes funny

outer wave
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You should contact Alfabrusa and say if you can be in the show so you can personally kill Grimal off yourself

storm jungle
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i wish

outer wave
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Sadge

languid meadow
vagrant fox
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Yaoi paddles is not a thing that should return

wintry cloud
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If GW releases a lady custodes model range, i will play custodes competitively

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And ensure i smile while i table my opponent

storm jungle
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Its not a model range but they'll be getting a unisex kit

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its for HH but will be compatible with 40k apparently

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also i must ask GW kindly to remove Womenā„¢ from my mobile gaming

outer wave
vagrant fox
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If I see one more woman I'm gonna explode into an incandescent rage and kill gw stg

rose thorn
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Sons of behemoth? OH SISTERS OF BATTLE

storm jungle
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stupid motherfu-

vagrant fox
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No one gives a shit about the sos

storm jungle
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^^^^^^

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i keep trying to tell them lol

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they have always been sidepieces to custodians

rose thorn
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Iā€™m suprised sisters of silence isnā€™t agents of the imperium

vagrant fox
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I like them but they're not really there

outer wave
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Yeah they're just

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There

rose thorn
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And tempest scions

vagrant fox
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The lore thing where they were put aside and slowly withered away is honestly pretty funny

languid meadow
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Tempestus scions rotting away in guard rules

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honestly I think they should be put into agents

vagrant fox
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I'm hoping for some touching up on the neglected Imperial bits but we're gonna get another space marine refresh

outer wave
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Sister of Silence marines!

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Sister of Silence Primaris!

celest dome
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I want the Astra Telepathica to be explored further Sitgryn

vagrant fox
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blank space marines soyjack pointing

languid meadow
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Sisters should get something but having femstodes doesn't take anything from them

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they're more than just waman

rose thorn
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so you got like 6 kits thats in 4 different armies lmao

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now onder that box is piss fuck expensive

wintry cloud
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If only they knew

near wasp
languid meadow
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we need to get woker

near wasp
languid meadow
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woke, woker, yet woker

storm jungle
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that and black peopl-

wintry cloud
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No minorities

humble shoal
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Or are they in blackface

near wasp
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Do the salamanders count as black face

wintry cloud
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Interesting question

near wasp
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Because Sakan is clearly of Asian descent and he's a salamander

humble shoal
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Does sos go penitent like the custodes

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So I can run a 30k strip club

near wasp
humble shoal
young pecan
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New Umamusume support card art goes hard

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She's a character who falls short of a more popular racer constantly, and her career is constantly trying to chase a better outcome and get over being such a doomer

remote wadi
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But femstodes are basically sisters of battle that werent nulls

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They are both human peak genetic females

storm jungle
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Sororitas are not "genetic peak"

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Custodians are literally gene-forged lol

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the only similarity they got is women

remote wadi
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Oh my bad

celest dome
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New Kimo take

remote wadi
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I thought custodes were just peak humanity

celest dome
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Sisters aren't peak humanity

remote wadi
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I didn't know they were forged

celest dome
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Custodes (regardless of gender) are

queen laurel
young pecan
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A normal human in peak physical and mental acuity means practically nothing compared to literally being born/made different

storm jungle
young pecan
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A little sad but what can you do

remote wadi
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But they are forged at a further age right?

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Like they aren't teens like the space marines

queen laurel
remote wadi
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Cause if they are that rises a lot of questions

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Ok it's even worst

queen laurel
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They're basically humans where they take the baby and genetically tailor the human biology to their absolute limits

remote wadi
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Ok the more I read into the imperium production the more I question how didn't people see big E was not perfect

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And potentially a chaos god

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Like the signs are all there

near wasp
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The oldest baby to be turned into a custodian was Ra endemiyon and he was like 3

young pecan
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What are these chirurgeons DOING

plush mason
near wasp
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Yeah how else would they be immune to chaos

queen laurel
remote wadi
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Genetics

celest dome
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I bet there are Psychically active Custodes, but they're kept under outmost secrecy šŸ™

wintry cloud
remote wadi
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I meant more in a sense of chaos immune elite soldiers

queen laurel
wintry cloud
young pecan
# queen laurel

This makes it sound like they're taking blood bags from the Emperor or something

plush mason
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so i guess the rebel agitator's buff is a psycic power, that or he somehow managed to throw himself into the warp and this screamer just came out after him

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rose thorn
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i recently learned that the paints i own are trash lmao

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i have all the old army painter paints

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i literally own

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all fo these

wintry cloud
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Im a chud and just use citadel

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I like em

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I will try vallejos metallics tho

rose thorn
hallow saddle
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no such thing as a trash paint if it does what u want it to do

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the fanatic ones are good tho

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i just got in on the kickstarter for the new Mini Colour range

remote wadi
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I'm gonna call it

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I paid 500ā‚¬ to build my army

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I will pay the 30ā‚¬ citadel paint tax

hallow saddle
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im still using mostly citadel

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some exceptions though like vallejo model air steel which i use all the time

arctic talon
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There is a trash hobby paint and itā€™s army painters original fucking speed paints

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lol

hallow saddle
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cause its brilliant

arctic talon
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Shit reactivated from contact with other paints

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Absurd they tried to sell that shit

hallow saddle
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not ideal lol

arctic talon
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I distrust literally anyone who recommends the first round of speed paints from army painter now

remote wadi
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Also let's be honest

hallow saddle
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reactivating is nice if its something you can control, eg. oil paints

arctic talon
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Yeah

remote wadi
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You pay 3ā‚¬ per citadel paint

arctic talon
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But itā€™s a contrast equivalent so itā€™s just

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water

remote wadi
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And for you to finish it, you used it on a lot of minis

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Like more than 500

hallow saddle
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lots of citadel paint are genuinely very very good

remote wadi
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Unless it's a base you use on the entire thing

hallow saddle
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rhinox hide springs to mind

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gw iron warriors is really nice

remote wadi
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I have to say that gw suprised me

arctic talon
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The only shit citadel paints are the white ones

remote wadi
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Cause their paint black legion guide actually teaches how to do black contrast

arctic talon
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The rest are decent to good

remote wadi
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Ur painting black on a black prime

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And it still does contrast

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It's amazing

arctic talon
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Ye

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GW does give actual good painting advice

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Unironically lol

hallow saddle
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the official channel puts out good guides now

rose thorn
hallow saddle
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theyve finally sorted out all the stupid nonsense by the looks of things

arctic talon
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The current ones work fine

rose thorn
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yeah i have the original ones lmao

arctic talon
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I still hate army painter for the first one tho šŸ’€

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Totally fucking dishonest

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Lied to consumers, told influencers to lie as well

rose thorn
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damn waht happened?

remote wadi
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I'll be honest

arctic talon
remote wadi
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Citadel only scammy product is the primer

rose thorn
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this is hte first time i heard of this

remote wadi
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But that's cause prime paints can't have different formulas

rose thorn
hallow saddle
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chaos black is a good primer

remote wadi
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So buying a cheaper primer is the same

hallow saddle
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if u want like a nice satin finish its actually good

remote wadi
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Carbon black primer is the same thing

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Like it's literally the same product but cheaper

arctic talon
# rose thorn oh?

If you watered down your paints or used a water based acrylic and not gel based

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The shit would reactivate

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And they tried to sell it as a ā€œfeatureā€

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????

remote wadi
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It reactivates that means you can correct Ur previous issues

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By making them worst

arctic talon
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They did try to sell that as a thing

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Btw lol

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ā€œOh itā€™s good so you can blend/fix errorsā€

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Like no it fucking isnā€™t

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Itā€™s colored water, not an acrylic paint or oil paint

remote wadi
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True you can legit reprime it and restart

arctic talon
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Yeah

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But Iā€™d rather shove someone in the jar of iso

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Then have the stuff reactivate

wintry cloud
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Never doing that again.

remote wadi
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I'm glad I got into Warhammer in 9th edition

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Those quirks were already fixed

wintry cloud
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I should reprimeā€¦thats a good idea

rose thorn
wintry cloud
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My blood warriors look splotchy

arctic talon
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9e is my favorite of the modern editions

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Hopefully 11e is better then 10e

rose thorn
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Agreed

arctic talon
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But whatever

rose thorn
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I miss cross fire

wintry cloud
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If 11e is really really good then ill start playing 40k, only touch AoS model wise rn

rose thorn
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Same

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Unless gsc get a 500 worlds box

arctic talon
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Gsc when you roll a 1 to hit with a blasting charge

rose thorn
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LMAO

wintry cloud
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Iā€™ll straight up just keep it simple

I love blood warriors
Then Iā€™ll love khorne berserkers

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WE it is

remote wadi
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I think 11e will be better

wintry cloud
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Give me wrathmongers
Give me eightbound

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I need skulls

remote wadi
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But I'm biased to CSM

wintry cloud
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They are also super cool

remote wadi
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And CSM will prolly have nice changes

wintry cloud
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I also play slaves, so my eyes are also on CSM

dark moon
remote wadi
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To be honest EC is really easy to get now

rose thorn
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Donā€™t you buy the combat patrol 3 times

wintry cloud
remote wadi
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There's that 180ā‚¬ box you get that a few noise marines and lucius and Ur done

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Fulgrim is amazing

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But 130ā‚¬ man

wintry cloud
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I hear fulgrim is poopoo this edition

remote wadi
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Nah fulgrim is good

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He just isn't a frontline unit

wintry cloud
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The whispers lie to me

remote wadi
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The issue is people wanna play fulgrim like they play flawless blades

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And he wasn't made for that

wintry cloud
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How do you use big snek? Skirmish?

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In and out? Stroke?

remote wadi
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He is kinda of a support unit

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That can be used to destroy vehicles or big units if needed

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Lucius is more aggressive

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Get lucius

wintry cloud
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EC are cool to me because of the super dexterity feel they have, all just insanely crazy duelists

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Perfection

remote wadi
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I'm jealous lucius isn't CSM anymore

wintry cloud
remote wadi
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He is and he always fights first

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He is weak to shooting tho

wintry cloud
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Maybe one of the best infantry sized combatants

According to hearsay

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Cool

remote wadi
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They should have gave us the lucius curse

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If a unit kills lucius and he misses a battleshock test he turns to lucius

wintry cloud
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Yeah itā€™s weird he doesnā€™t have it, maybe hard to balance? Instead they just made him Jamie lannister

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Which isnt the worst

celest dome
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Cause it just end up making the character too strong as you can try to pit him against elites/greater units and regardless of it win or lore you can still end up winning out

wintry cloud
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Sounds annoying

crystal forum
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is this made by the space marine animation giy

remote wadi
vital ginkgo
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I'm reading about the siege of vraks on wiki and just got to the end of the 19th regiment's last stand. Does anyone know what the spider-like machines are or could be in this part?

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arctic talon
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GW likes to do this

vital ginkgo
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Ah ok

daring creek
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tfw no gameplay

crystal forum
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yeah it's him

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it's the astartes animator

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syama pedersen

daring creek
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Oh wow

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lmfao

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Awesome

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oh

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it is

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pfft.

rocky gale
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Me when someone asks me about my AoS army

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paper haven
opaque coyote
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Happy halloween

prime seal
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army boxes are a scam

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the space wolves army box doesnt even get you to 500 points

remote wadi
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The army box starter sets arent

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The issue is the ones with detachment names

prime seal
remote wadi
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Csm was good tho

prime seal
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Scam Workshop

remote wadi
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The only thing in that box Ur not gonna use is master of possession

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And he will be good in other meta

prime seal
remote wadi
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Psyker forced buffs

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Cause the psychic phase was removed

prime seal
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psychic phase was torture

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do you play kill team kimo?

lament shoal
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Happy Halloween chat

remote wadi
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I use nemesis claw as an actual Warhammer unit

prime seal
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the night lords?

remote wadi
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Yeah

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I have them black legion painted but yeah

prime seal
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i dont think i've ever seen that set used in kill team

remote wadi
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That's cause their rules are better in actual Warhammer

opaque coyote
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Happy halloween folks

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"Bro is that blue face?"

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"No I'm an actual Daemon. I'm a blue horror."

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"YOU'RE CALLING US A HORROR?"

prime seal
opaque coyote
outer wave
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Wait fuck you already did the bit

remote wadi
hallow saddle
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where it's "merely" Ā£105.50 or about Ā£90 with discount

prime seal
rocky gale
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Sure, but cheaper Warhammer

prime seal
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mhhhhh kharn flakes

hallow saddle
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yeah haha im not bullish on the value of gbp, im bullish on lower warhammer pricing cause this is where it's made

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one small benefit of being on this shitty island

daring creek
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How different are 40k humans in terms of evolution

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I'm wondering how much more durable they are

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can they deflect a bullt

rose thorn
dapper gyro
queen laurel
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Through brutal training and conditioning

dapper gyro
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40'000 is not a big time span in terms of biological evolution.

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Though, many planets went through selective breeding during the dark age, so some selected groups are stronger.

queen laurel
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Catachan is a good example, They are humans but with how brutal their home world is They come out physically built like a tree trunk to the point they are called Baby Ogryns

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The brutal planet has made them physically and mentally resilient more than the average human

remote wadi
queen laurel
remote wadi
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(they can walk while shooting a negav)

queen laurel
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With proper brutal training like they do you could do the same

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Sisters of Battle do this

opaque coyote
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Catachan

remote wadi
queen laurel
opaque coyote
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Or the conditions the Imperium probably puts it's people through

remote wadi
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Humans survived similar conditions with way less tools

opaque coyote
remote wadi
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The hive world's are prolly the type of world that most average humans would die at

opaque coyote
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Just

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Not significantly so

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Like I believe that before humans went out their solar system. They all edited themselves to survive harsher conditions

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Needing less food, water, etc.

remote wadi
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I believe only the adeptus mechanicus can claim to be much different from the current human

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Besides prolly the fact they have a better selection of genetics

opaque coyote
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Slightly different

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Somehow

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Though maybe I just underestimate the average human

remote wadi
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I mean we were scary even in nature

opaque coyote
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We are much weaker than what we were like 10,000 years ago

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Physically

remote wadi
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Nature gave us one advantage other predators lacked and no one talks about it

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Stamina

opaque coyote
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Stamina and big brain = good

remote wadi
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We weren't just smarter we could stalk our prey for longer than any predator

opaque coyote
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Though tbf I doubt the stamina part matters against a Tyranid

hallow saddle
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also in the dark age of tech humanity pretty much mastered gene editing although by now the knowledge has mostly faded away

opaque coyote
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Or an Ork

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Since they also have stamina

hallow saddle
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so its possible the baseline human just is a little different cause of science

remote wadi
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I mean the regular Australian could fight a tyranid

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Have you seen their insects

opaque coyote
hallow saddle
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not counting all the psychic shit too

opaque coyote
hallow saddle
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i think thats more or less the implication i think?

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much like the space dorfs

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maybe less slave race and more built for a purpose (but also to basically live as slaves yeah)

opaque coyote
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I think most abhumans are just mutated in a certain way that happened to be reproducible.

Like Felinds, Ratlings, etc.

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But Ogryns seem to be

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Kinda purposeful

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Especially with BONE existing

hallow saddle
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i like that about the space dorfs, they're actually still out there doing what they were made for, and they don't know any different and they've never known any different

remote wadi
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They can also just be a mutation

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Have you seen hive worlds

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There's a lot of radiation going around

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This can be a Chernobyl type situation

opaque coyote
# remote wadi There's a lot of radiation going around

True, but Ogryns seem to be engineered for a purpose. Extremely strong, loyal to severe fault, etc. with even an augment already existing to make them more intelligent.

Compared to like Scalies where they become well...

Scalies. They're definitely a Chernobyl situation

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Or Ratlings

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Stiltlimbs

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Etc.

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Ogryns are definitely a remnant from the DAoT

remote wadi
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Maybe

opaque coyote
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Also, Navigators specifically are made as a strain from the DAoT.

But at the time, humanity mainly used computers to navigate the warp

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Which kinda makes me wonder if they were like

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A last minute type of thing

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Especially since incest is popular to retain the Navigator gene specifically. I kinda believe that DAoT humans saw that the warp was growing more chaotic

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Made Navigators as a result

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Only for the warp to suddenly go to shit outside the expected timescale

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Which is why there's comparatively few

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They were planning on something happening. But they couldn't possibly predict the shit show that was the Age of Strife

remote wadi
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I mean the emperor was gonna have his own space outside the warp

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That was the project Magnus ruined

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They didn't expect Magnus would ruin it

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They expected to put all humanity there away from the warp and starve the chaos gods

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And just let the space marines kinda die out

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But Horus fcked it up

opaque coyote
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He was making his own webway basically

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Magnus just fucked it up

remote wadi
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To be honest even if he did it he would still have issues

opaque coyote
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Also in retrospect, huge portions of the Eldar webway are literally invaded by daemons so...

Idk how he thought it would be cut off

remote wadi
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Cause abaddon would prolly rise anyways

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Cause hey you wanna just ditch the space marines

opaque coyote
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Tbh in a pragmatic sense, the SMs would definitely be taken in also

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If only because he doesn't want ANYBODY to fuel the gods

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That's also why he wanted to commit genocide on Xenos

young pecan
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It's also funny that Navigators afaIk all come from noble families

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Who famously did inbreed

remote wadi
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I think the emperor also kinda forgot to consider that using psychic powers to stop god's when tzeetch is fed by it was an awful idea

opaque coyote
# young pecan We should see more Habsburg Jaws in navigators

To be honest. This is gonna sound like an endorsement (it isn't I fucking swear).

Incest itself doesn't necessarily cause defects. It just gives an increased chance depending on the parents recessive genes.

If you somehow had perfect genes with zero flaws (which btw will never fucking happen), you would create a child that's perfectly fine.

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My best guess is that navigators use gene editing to get rid of as many defects as possible

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And augments for the rest

remote wadi
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To be fair I think it's funny when we discovered the issue with incest it was discovered by a dude that was married to his cousin

young pecan
opaque coyote
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True

remote wadi
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I think the inbreeding is just a justification for them not having other psychic abilities

opaque coyote
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Then again I think the incest only happens in more desperate/less well off families. If that makes sense.

remote wadi
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Since Psykers aren't all the same

surreal nest
near wasp
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Arranged marriages are all the rage

young pecan
near wasp
young pecan
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But then again Cassia's family was pretty rich

opaque coyote
young pecan
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At least decently I think

opaque coyote
opaque coyote
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Who cares if they have that elongated ass jaw

remote wadi
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If Ur a navigator Ur a resource not a person

young pecan
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Tbf Charles II (the face of the Habsburg Jaw) also had extremely fucked up organs

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That shortened his lifespan

remote wadi
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You get a decent room

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But no freedom

opaque coyote
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Also Navigators eventually turn into like a blob

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Which ironically makes them better at their job

near wasp
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Y'all ever read king tuts autopsy

opaque coyote
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Actually considering the warp. What if being more fucked up gives you more boons

near wasp
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He'd make Charles the second look healthy

remote wadi
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Legit Psykers are the reason I see why most would fall to chaos

young pecan
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I've also heard that Charles II's artistic depictions were supposed to be kind

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How fucking ugly was this guy

remote wadi
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I rather be a selfish sorcerer that will live long than a resource everybody hates but has to deal with

opaque coyote
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Yup

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Also either way, death will have your soul be eaten and tortured

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At least one will give you a chance for that to

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NOT

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Happen

near wasp
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Psykers are just a lose lose no matter what

opaque coyote
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Starting to wonder if humans developing psychic abilities are just the Chaos Gods fucking with them

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Like increased warp exposure does increase the amount of psykers

near wasp
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I mean def tzeentch

opaque coyote
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Honestly what if blanks are actually just

A natural mutation to prevent that.

But the side effect causes it to be ultimately disadvantagous

near wasp
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Natural nah

opaque coyote
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Ain't gonna live long enough to pass your genes if everybody immediately wants to beat you

near wasp
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I think blanks are a product of the dark age of tech and were created as a counter measure against the warpby the gene witches of luna

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It does not make sense for humans to be the only ones who naturally can be born blanks

young pecan
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Or slight dislike

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It's also a stronger feeling for psykers experiencing blanks

opaque coyote
opaque coyote
surreal nest
near wasp
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I mean then why do most races have psykers

opaque coyote
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The Eldar are specifically made by the old ones

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We have no idea what the deal with Tyranids are

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Orks are made by the old ones

surreal nest
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Because that part could just simply be universal I guess. Blanks could be manmade or whatever but it would make sense for just humans to have a specific gene

dapper gyro
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Having gene editing doesn't mean that everyone got it or it was applied to everyone. The bulk of humanity stays very similar to the current day human.

opaque coyote
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Then again Xeno Psykers do exist

surreal nest
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idek how weird boyz work tbh

opaque coyote
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Like minor Xeno psykers

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It's really a shame we don't get more details

near wasp
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Blanks lowkey need more books

opaque coyote
near wasp
#

I need more sos

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God emperor please

young pecan
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At least in the Eisenhorn omnibus you get a lot of screen time with the blank (Bequin)

opaque coyote
#

So it could be that Psykers develop due to exposure from the warp.

Blanks could be an adaptation as a result. After all, daemons murdering you and eating your soul is disadvantageous.

Psyker's essentially act as a beacon for that as a result.

It could be that Blanks are a natural adaptation while Psykers are specifically made by influence from the Chaos gods

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That the four always had a hand in every race's development

dapper gyro
#

Warp and chaos are not the same thing though.

near wasp
#

True

opaque coyote
#

Remember that Psykers only started popping up for humanity near Slaanesh's awakening in terms of time frame

opaque coyote
dapper gyro
#

Using warp power is also a way to kill chaos spawns.

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Like the fucking big E.

near wasp
#

Psykers existed way back when but most of them died slowing down the propagation of there genes

opaque coyote
#

Right, it depends on whether the Shaman origin is true.

dapper gyro
#

Female shaman among them when?

opaque coyote
near wasp
#

We've never been told anything different or anything that contradicts it so as far as I'm concerned it's still the backstory

opaque coyote
#

Not necessarily an emperor tier being. Just a regular perpetual

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And that the Emperor got his power through the pact + experience

near wasp
#

Big e wasn't much stronger than other perpetuals until moloch I'm pretty sure

near wasp
opaque coyote
#

I imagine Big E's creation was basically a storm of perfect circumstances.

The Chaos Gods weren't paying attention to humanity much, they had a bunch of psykers ritualistically sacrifice themselves, etc

near wasp
#

It def would not work today

opaque coyote
#

I can imagine if anybody tried something like this again, the Psyker souls would just get yoinked and eaten like a snack

near wasp
#

The four would shut that shit down or hijack it

young pecan
#

Do psykers get more powerful as they age, or did the Emp just get some psychic enhancing technology at some point?

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Or at least perpetuals

near wasp
#

EMP made a deal with the chaos gods

opaque coyote
#

He definitely had more potential in the first place

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And an infinite amount of time to learn

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Although he should've spent his time learning how to be a dad firstly

young pecan
opaque coyote
young pecan
#

Fair

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What did they get in return?

remote wadi
#

So I think Nules were engineered

opaque coyote
#

...or the potential to make things so much worse

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After all, what's the point of a game without an adversary?

young pecan
#

But it sounds like the latter part is the answer

remote wadi
#

I mean when you understand what chaos gods are

opaque coyote
remote wadi
#

Big E sounds more like a chaos god that got lucky to incarnate in the materium

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He ereased competition by removing religion

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He wanted to isolate humanity in his realm

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And loyalist souls are consumed

young pecan
#

The Chaos God of Contrarianism

opaque coyote
#

want humanity to prosper

young pecan
#

"I hate religion I hate other races I hate aliens" etc.

opaque coyote
#

Instead of being like the other gods where they just flip through whichever race is the most interesting

opaque coyote
young pecan
#

Oh right

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That is like almost literally Malice afaIk

remote wadi
#

Also let's be honest chaos undivided are the guys that fall more into what the emperor wanted

opaque coyote
#

But

I know what he is

remote wadi
#

For multiple reasons

opaque coyote
#

The Chaos God of assholes

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Think about it

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He turned humanity into assholes

remote wadi
#

First of all they are atheists in the sense of not seeing gods as superior

opaque coyote
#

His sons were assholes or turned into assholes

remote wadi
#

They believe in their distorted view of humanity

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And they are the most diverse cast

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I mean black legion accepts loyalists

opaque coyote
#

maybe that's why the chaos gods want him as the dark king

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ironically enough

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he is exactly what they want

remote wadi
#

I believe he is

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He is a good adversary

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That they know they can contain

#

Cause let's be honest if he does anscend the primarchs will beat him

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Warhammer must go on

opaque coyote
#

honestly, I think the most interesting idea is for him to basically explode into shards

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like the Emperor is already so inconsistent writing wise

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might as well make him multiple people

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could even have a "good" shard for those who really want to suck his di-

remote wadi
#

The star child already exists

opaque coyote
#

yeah

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although I would like more variation

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after all, canonically there are multiple interpretations of the emperor

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even in gender

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and looks

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the only thing that's consistent is that he is the master of the imperium

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i can imagine a bunch of mini empires fighting each other also

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with their own shard and their own interpretation

#

so to speak

#

religious schism!

remote wadi
#

I mean it all started as authors wanting to write differently

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But yeah

opaque coyote
#

also just

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cool in general

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homebrew potential off the charts

#

i mean you could already make your own unique systems/planets

#

but now you can make your own mini imperium

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and it can be even more racist!

remote wadi
#

Ok that's too far

opaque coyote
#

remember kids

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racism always wins

rose thorn
#

.... what did i come back to?

hallow saddle
#

im watching Hellraiser

rose thorn
#

ice

hallow saddle
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cause its motherfuckin halloween

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and also im gonna start building my EC models this weekend

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kickass

near wasp
hallow plover
#

Nothing beats the late nights political discussions

near wasp
#

oh great blood lines 2 is updating for the 4th time this week

remote wadi
#

My country is a successful multicultural country

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The trick is to apply the law as it is written regardless of gender or race

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And make the support system economical class based

opaque coyote
#

You're thinking of a potentially late stage capitalistic hellhole

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That's no fun

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murder is more fun

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unless if it's cyberpunk style of capitalistic hellhole

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then there's plenty of murder

rose thorn
#

trying to remmeber every kit wiht a cloak every for what kit would make a good bio dagger sanctus kitbash

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someone in a flowing dagger who looks liek they are fsat

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might jsut buy some esher tbh

#

klike a randoms ingle

arctic talon
rose thorn
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OHH

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ahhhits in some kind of liek gimp suit

radiant lance
#

So, does the MorningStar just have a fuck load of holy relics sitting around for everyone to carry 3 and some zealots to use them to call forth an act of the Emperor?

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Do they just have a warehouse crate full of them?

burnt maple
#

Not because they ARE holy.

arctic talon
#

And could just be tech

#

lol

radiant lance
#

Plastic minifigs painted

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Used to be grey

burnt maple
#

That too

arctic talon
#

Thereā€™s stuff like rosariuses

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Which make it look like youā€™re being protected by the god emperor

burnt maple
arctic talon
#

Iā€™m using it as an example

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Of tech like that

burnt maple
#

Ah, yes.

arctic talon
#

But yes Rosariuses are extremely rare

remote wadi
#

We failed at capitalism

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Thats why our economy scks

#

Anyways we are moving to a sci fi horror literally right now

#

Can't wait to live in cyberpunk

#

(I'm going amish when it happens)

rose thorn
#

oh gaunts ghosts make good cannibalism

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LMAO major eilm rawne is 18.50 heā€™s perfect

plush mason
#

so the BL really out here spawning conspiracy theories with the single word "Valgaast" huh

storm jungle
#

a what now

rose thorn
#

...?

#

From the warhammer horror book?

plush mason
#

books

#

but yeah

rose thorn
#

I hate to break it to you but warhammer horror books are usually written by like outside writers I believe

#

I could be wrong

plush mason
#

odds are its just some little inside joke they all use

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i just think its funny

rocky gale
plush mason
#

yeah its mentioned in like 20 something books it seems

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ether as a major part of the plot or just a one off line

rocky gale
#

Yea apparently a bunch of different 40k books have mentioned Valgaast

plush mason
#

like i said. most likely just an inside joke aimed at the community

rocky gale
#

and AoS apparently has the same with Mhurghast

plush mason
#

the common root of "gast" is just made to inspire discussion and speculation

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which is imo just more proof its just a little tease to poke fun at the theory crafters of the community

rocky gale
#

Seems like Mhurghast is involved in the Gothghul Hollow novel

opaque coyote
#

There is a failure state but we haven't quite reached it yet

#

Failure state is uh

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Stalin type shit

#

and by Stalin type shit I mean millions upon millions of people starving to death

#

We haven't quite reached that point yet

#

yet

young pecan
#

Is your definition of failed meaning "irrecoverable"?

opaque coyote
#

A system is only as good as it's people, leaders, etc.

remote wadi
#

That's exactly why no system works

opaque coyote
#

Communism, at it's theoretical best state, would be great.

Problem is that it's impossible to ever reach that

opaque coyote
remote wadi
#

Also you can have capitalism without it being the end game one

opaque coyote
#

We still have room to save it. But it's getting harder

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and harder

#

and harder

#

But hope is not completely lost

young pecan
#

In its current state it's doing irrecoverable damage to the planet if that contributes to the conversation

opaque coyote
#

technically wouldn't consider that. Because let's be fair here, we didn't really consider it would be permanent until the 1900s.

young pecan
#

It is also extremely, extremely difficult if at all possible without an extreme change to remove corruption, both in office and in the market

opaque coyote
#

as we slowly realized

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"oh shit."

remote wadi
#

We just need to wait till it gets to the extreme point

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Then we have another revolution

#

Human history is doomed to repeat itself

young pecan
#

History keeps repeating because evil bastards keep on not being punished enough

opaque coyote
young pecan
#

Nazis got operation paperclip and barely any real prosecution

remote wadi
young pecan
#

Confederates were allowed to scamper off and propagate and spread their ridiculous beliefs to their children and those childrens' children

remote wadi
#

It's cause we tend to have a generation that ignores old generations knowledge

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And restart systems that will be needed to recreate

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It's not even the first time it happens

opaque coyote
#

Like they literally tried to remove every trace but people somehow still thinks it's a good idea

young pecan
opaque coyote
#

Sometimes evil bastards actually get punished enough.

It's just that a lot of people ARE idiots and think.

"Nah they just didn't do it right."

remote wadi
opaque coyote
#

Look at: every tankie ever

remote wadi
#

The boomers still kinda studied off the base they had

opaque coyote
remote wadi
#

Millennials introduced anti definition issues

opaque coyote
#

In fact a lot of shit like neo pronouns

#

originated from boomers

#

As much as we love to define generations.

#

We simply cannot define everybody born in that time period.

remote wadi
#

I'm not defining generations

opaque coyote
#

yeah ik

remote wadi
#

I'm just afraid the boomers got power for too long

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And the millennials will take it too late

opaque coyote
young pecan
remote wadi
#

Making zoomers powerless

young pecan
#

True about power though

opaque coyote
#

I heard stories about people able to afford a FUCKING HOUSE

#

With a regular job

paper haven
#

Oh don't worry, Millenials turn out to be just as bad as Boomers once they get into power.

remote wadi
#

Boomers don't get it

opaque coyote
#

and it didn't take 30+ years!

remote wadi
#

They lived in the historically best economy ever

plush mason
#

the boomers are the "pull the ladder up behind us" generation

opaque coyote
remote wadi
#

The issue is millennials are gonna be worst than boomers

paper haven
#

We learned from the best

remote wadi
#

Cause they gonna get power after they lost their prime to do it

young pecan
#

"B-but inflation is why it costs more" is a super cope by lead-riddled boomers to justify the fact that their lives were absurdly easier than everyone else's

plush mason
opaque coyote
#

People who are best suited for the role

#

Will immediately jump off of the nearby window

#

and run the fuck away

remote wadi
#

That's not necessarily true

opaque coyote
#

because they just want to take a nap

remote wadi
#

But yeah social studies prove the best leaders tend to be 30 year olds

#

Cause they actually worry about future consequences

paper haven
#

Plenty of overlap though

remote wadi
#

Since they don't get the parachute of dying

young pecan
opaque coyote
#

Is true

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well... a good chunk of the time anyways

paper haven
#

Congress still has people from the Silent Generation

opaque coyote
#

never 100% unfortunately

plush mason
#

because power corrupts

#

no matter who you are

opaque coyote
#

Or it turns out that other forces prevent you from doing so

plush mason
#

yup

opaque coyote
#

Want to make American portions healthier?

remote wadi
#

Also I find it kinda weird when Americans defend young leaders lack exprience

opaque coyote
#

Too bad, there are several companies

#

lobbying against you

remote wadi
#

When the founding fathers were a group of 20 year olds

opaque coyote
#

and you can't make the fucking change

opaque coyote
#

kind of a bad general

#

He was also a nepo baby

#

But there is one difference

#

He was willing to learn from people

remote wadi
#

In Portugal that argument makes more sense tho

opaque coyote
#

He learned, he gained experience.

plush mason
celest cedar
opaque coyote
#

That's what made him great.

celest cedar
#

even a century ago peeps are already worried about the industrial consequences..

remote wadi
#

They didn't had the means we do to propagate knowledge

opaque coyote
remote wadi
#

So the average person wouldn't know about it

#

But yeah we need to introduce a governmental retirement age

#

Cause in a democracy Ur leaders are supposed to represent you

opaque coyote
#

Tbf the Founding Fathers aren't great. Far from that. Slave owners.

But they did have brilliance.

remote wadi
#

And a society that doesn't think about the future generations is doomed to lose itself

plush mason
remote wadi
opaque coyote
#

Until around the 1950's?

plush mason
#

yup

opaque coyote
#

So we couldn't know

plush mason
#

still

opaque coyote
#

I do blame humanity AFTER we found that out

remote wadi
#

Vasco da game the Portuguese guy that discovered the maritime paths to a lot of places

#

Was a good manipulator and would do things just cause he can

opaque coyote
plush mason
remote wadi
#

But for the time he lived he did a lot of good

#

But overall I just think current government is not ready for future issues

#

And they aren't worried cause they won't be affected

opaque coyote
plush mason
#

turns out building all of civilization on very bad practices leads to us being unable to fix things when we find out just how bad they are

opaque coyote
#

We successfully prevented us from all dying horribly!

Now we're just gonna suffer at worst

#

But we'll still be alive!

#

yippee...

remote wadi
#

The Romans were close when they felt

opaque coyote
#

steel for starters

near wasp
#

I mean they had like basic steel I thought or was that still firmly bronze

remote wadi
#

And the Egyptians knew methods of arquiteture we still yet to learn

#

Or greek fire

#

All cause some idiot burned a library

opaque coyote
remote wadi
#

I'm just saying humans tend to reset progress

opaque coyote
plush mason
#

the industrial revolution could have happened in the damn late bronze age had they figured out how to use the ball of wind in a productive manner

opaque coyote
remote wadi
#

All cause we don't wanna listen to older generations

#

Cause obviously our gen has to be better than previous

#

Spoilers we are not

opaque coyote
remote wadi
#

We have more base knowledge but we have the same intelligence

plush mason
# opaque coyote the whar

the dude that discovered Numatics made a device that was basically a centripetal engine but they never saw it as anything more than a novelty

remote wadi
#

In my country black and white were both core to us

plush mason
#

or it was someone alive around his time

remote wadi
#

For context we ended slavery in 1887

#

And that was empire wise

near wasp
remote wadi
#

Cause in the mainland it was earlier

near wasp
#

Rasicms later in history when people actually started to travel to different lands

remote wadi
#

Also a bit of historical education most slaves bought slaves when they were freed

#

I'm just saying it wasn't about race

near wasp
#

Dolla Dolla bills

plush mason
#

slavery has existed in many forms

#

and still does to this day

near wasp
#

People forget slavery existed before the USA and certaintly didn't end when the US absolished it

opaque coyote
plush mason
#

yup

rose thorn
remote wadi
#

Oh if you wanna go to all human history

rose thorn
remote wadi
#

Every one was a slave at some point

rose thorn
#

thinks that the USA made and ended slavery lmao

plush mason
#

well we where the last to end it lmao

#

and it took the deaths of 1000s

opaque coyote
# plush mason yup

Apparently it couldn't generate enough power to actually do anything of use

rose thorn
#

aside from modern slavery there is a shitload of countries that use old fashioned slavery

opaque coyote
#

with as much steam pressure as a tea kettle

plush mason
#

yeah but the principle was there

near wasp
rose thorn
near wasp
#

save me

rose thorn
#

my apologize joseph

remote wadi
#

So our history classes go as far as 1400

#

About our own existance

plush mason
#

Oregon cant be worse than North Carolina

rose thorn
plush mason
#

half the dumbasses here think the confederacy was the best thing in history

remote wadi
#

Also we are the country that first had that shady market

#

So we have to study that we didn't directly enslaved the first ones

#

We just bought them from tribes that already enslaved

#

Which is as bad as it

rose thorn
#

pretty sure oregan was one of the last states to commit literal genocide on the indigenous people there

remote wadi
#

But it changes the perspective

near wasp
#

Colombus was 1400s

remote wadi
plush mason
rose thorn
#

that is true

#

we stat afew hundred or thousand years earlier for the ice bridge theory

near wasp
opaque coyote
remote wadi
#

True

rose thorn
#

is ice bridge theory still taught?

remote wadi
#

We made agreements with Spain

#

Since our navy was better

#

They backstabbed us

young pecan
opaque coyote
remote wadi
#

Did you know philipeans were supposed to be Portuguese

opaque coyote
#

and also the expensive gas prices.

That is a genuine problem.

young pecan
#

Granted, you have a point but it's definitely not insurmountable

remote wadi
#

But the Spanish said they would help the Portuguese with it

#

And y'all know how it went

near wasp
lament shoal
rose thorn
#

where indigenous people from asia travelled across an icebridge from russia to alaska and inhabitited the americas

opaque coyote
#

the

#

rest of the usa?

#

Texas

#

Florida

rose thorn
#

whcih is like the best theory back in 2015s

opaque coyote
#

Kentucky

#

etc.

near wasp
#

I just hate most politicians

opaque coyote
lament shoal
#

Yes

remote wadi
#

Welp you gotta start voting for the smaller parties

near wasp
#

If you work for the government you probably suck

remote wadi
#

I'm gonna call it USA main issue is you neglect the small parties

lament shoal
# lament shoal Yes

But cali is unlucky enough to be one of the states with some of the worst politicians in the country running it

near wasp
opaque coyote
remote wadi
#

And most of the time they are exactly what you want

#

In my country we have a 3 way power now

near wasp
remote wadi
#

As in one won but the opposite holds the actual majority

#

Aka they have to convince the opposition to pass any laws

#

For context the opposition is two different parties

#

That are opposite to eachother too

young pecan
opaque coyote
#

Much much worse.

#

Wanna be called something else in school?

#

You can't

#

Fuck you.

young pecan
#

The most recent election was certainly rigged to at least some degree, but even if it wasn't, the primary blue pick was both seemingly better and much more influential than green party or whatever else

remote wadi
#

We need to go back to the times we're voting was about voting for campaigns not influence

opaque coyote
#

And we cannot even like

#

Vote separately on issues

remote wadi
#

We need to force people to read the campaigns to be able to vote

near wasp
dire loom
young pecan
remote wadi
#

It would change so many votes

dire loom
young pecan
#

But then the unbiased description of campaigns that includes fact checks would just get called woke and controlled by da dems

opaque coyote
# near wasp Vote vermin supreme as president

You either get

The most boring, milquetoast, person that will change zero issues and make things the exact same because companies keep lobbying against actual change or they just want the paycheck

#

Or somebody that wants to burn down every forest

#

Remove rights of every minorities

#

etc.

#

What wonderful choices.

near wasp
young pecan
#

Otherwise true

#

The old man who isn't cheeto flavored should have done better

opaque coyote
#

Why the fuck is he wearing a boot

near wasp
#

LOL

opaque coyote
#

"using zombies for renewable energy"

#

10/10

#

zombie perpetual machine

#

my favorite

near wasp
#

I legit thought about voting for him because it'd be better than anybody else

rose thorn
#

oh were talking about the boot guy

young pecan
opaque coyote
#

oh damn he went for every campaign

#

consistently since 2004

#

huh

near wasp
#

Yeah

#

Bros actually determined

#

I think he wasn't in the last one though

#

Because he started getting old old

opaque coyote
#

We have a fucking pirate party

near wasp
#

Either that or he's not doing the next one

opaque coyote
#

huh

opaque coyote
#

so likely the next one

near wasp
#

Ah

#

Tbh I didn't vote

opaque coyote
#

I did

#

I actually hoped that trump wouldn't wi

#

fuck me ig

arctic talon
#

tbh realistically, in a lot of states

#

your vote wouldn't have done shit

#

I still consider it civic duty to vote though

#

everyone should vote!!!

near wasp
#

I mean yeah I agree go vote

#

But I already know my vote don't mean shit