40k-lore-chat

[opaque coyote]

Of course, people hate complicated problems

[arctic talon]

On paper I should have gotten in

In practice nah

lol

[daring creek]

but hey atleast theyre admitting to their own bias and isn't pushing it as like "my opinion = the truth"

[urban spire]

what i'm saying is your real beef is with capitalism

[daring creek]

Thats humble!!

[arctic talon]

I can still hate the other bits around it

I’m a socdem ultimately

[opaque coyote]

Yeah.

Tbf, the phrase "it's easier to picture the end of the world than the end of capitalism" is true

[arctic talon]

If you want my views on economy

[opaque coyote]

At least for me

[daring creek]

How ever I do genuinely think that I should be given 50 million dollars because I'm black

Everyone, empty your pockets pls

[lament shoal]

I just want food to be cheaper man

[opaque coyote]

So I literally have zero idea on what alternative there could be

[arctic talon]

LOL

[arctic talon]

Too bad

Go my tariffs

[opaque coyote]

"This shit is busted... TOWARD MY FAVOR! 10/10!"

[nocturne crest]

Gullimilk

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/dissolving-gif-11272145208943623528

[opaque coyote]

"Woe! Tariffs be upon ye!"

https://tenor.com/view/cat-throwing-brick-brick-cat-gif-9142560192559212520

[vagrant fox]

i think whoever made the food prices fucked up should be skinned

[urban spire]

strictly speaking i'm a post-leftist anarchist but really anything that values people for being people is good

[arctic talon]

Anyways point being my dislike of affirmative action is entirely illogical

[vagrant fox]

just potatoes have gone up over 300% in price over 10 years

[arctic talon]

And I know it’s illogical

[daring creek]

https://tenor.com/view/death-note-gif-25596232

[arctic talon]

So the companies

They did an intentional price squeeze

And fixed prices

[lament shoal]

Why is it so fucking crusty

[arctic talon]

And now tariffs get that shit higher lol

[vagrant fox]

yea and they're still making the prices increase

[arctic talon]

In the US at least

They don’t wana eat the cost of tariffs

Why the fuck is GW eating the cost of tariffs

💀

But not companies that sell food

[tough haven]

Cause I can make more money?

[daring creek]

different commodities

[tough haven]

And GW knows people can just stop buying their products if they don’t

People need food

So they can afford to gouge

[daring creek]

No people don't need food they need plastic

[vagrant fox]

Three companies in Norway were fined 500 million dollars for price manipulation and the exact same ones are doing it here but they're not getting fined 😮‍💨

[urban spire]

oh i hadn't heard about that

that makes me smile

[vagrant fox]

Rema and Coop were part of it

[arctic talon]

They already got fined once back in covid

But it’s Pennies for them

Send the board to prison

[vagrant fox]

I wouldn't mind that

[arctic talon]

And make them pay the piper

[urban spire]

yeah we should remove limited liability as a concept

[arctic talon]

It’s fine on paper

Emphasis on paper

[urban spire]

if you fuck up the economy you should be held personally responsible

[arctic talon]

In practice it’s been used and abused

[arctic talon]

Are you ready for the AI bubble to implode and make both the Chinese and US markets catch on fire

[daring creek]

Can't hold chatgpt accountable

[urban spire]

i am so fucking ready

[tough haven]

❌ all of humanity has plastic already

We need steel

[vagrant fox]

I don't wanna pay over 3 dollars for just potatoes anymore man I'm so tired

[tough haven]

Bet they made more than 500 mil manipulating it, barely a slap on the wrist

[vagrant fox]

absolutely

[tough haven]

Should be fucking banned from doing business

[urban spire]

i'm thinkin about moving to spain or belgium or something

that'd be real rough though

[tough haven]

Ireland

Would be awesome

[urban spire]

ireland's fucked up rn

[daring creek]

can you explain how the Ai bubble is going to pop and what exactly is "the bubble"?

Is the bubble the idea that ai is going to revolutionary on our culture or whatever. like NFTs?

[tough haven]

Would encourage people to not run corrupt businesses

[tough haven]

Yes.

[arctic talon]

The bubble around LLMs right now is entirely fake

Well not entirely

They have some practical application

[tough haven]

Everywhere is fucked up

[arctic talon]

But all the hype and the constant slapping of the word “AI” on things

Is fake

[daring creek]

Imo AI image generation and similar things will defnititely stay but become less relevant as time goes on. It'll be more normalized and less controversial.

[urban spire]

tech companies trading money around in a big circlejerk claiming they're creating immense amounts of value, which doesn't actually bear out in the profits

[arctic talon]

The point being it will not make value

Not the way it’s projected

Inevitably

It’s gona pop

The question is when

also if you like gambling this can be a great way to fuck over some rich people if you’d like

Big IF

Because betting on a bubble popping is $$$ out the ass

[vagrant fox]

boy do I

where do I throw my entire savings

[hallow saddle]

cant fucking wait for the LLM bubble to die

theyre so shit

[urban spire]

they really, truly are

anyway text and image generation aren't going to become normal, they aren't making money

[nocturne crest]

Do they still collect the Emps tears.

[urban spire]

the cost of operation is INCREDIBLY high

[hallow saddle]

techbros going super hard on selling a machine that writes bullshit

[arctic talon]

Buy puts on some stupidly high PE ratio stocks related to AI.

I DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS FINANCIALLY

[hallow saddle]

its tiresome

[arctic talon]

Betting against the LLM bubble is

risky

Because it’s expensive

[hallow saddle]

i wanna buy myself a nice server when this sshit all goes bust

looking forward to that

(that i'll never use cause the power draw and noise will be insane)

then spend lots of £ reconfiguring the chassis and using different parts

it's gonna be great

[opaque coyote]

Also that bubble happens to be the only thing holding up the us economy

[arctic talon]

Not the only thing

But it’s a big part

[urban spire]

a comically small amount of economic growth in america was not related to server farms this year iirc, like less than 2% or something?

[arctic talon]

It was 2-5%

lol

[urban spire]

so when the bubble pops it's going to be bad for everyone

[opaque coyote]

Oh boy! A recession

[arctic talon]

China and America have fucked themselves

With the LLM bubble

lol

[daring creek]

Heck are you gonna do with a server lol.

[urban spire]

because of course rich people don't pay for their mistakes, they just offload them on everyone else

[arctic talon]

Run stuff

Smh

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/american-century-of-humliation-gif-4829849732243880926

[hallow saddle]

heat my house

[daring creek]

What STUFF

[arctic talon]

Idk a torrenting thing

[urban spire]

is china going to get fucked that hard? they at least have a nominally planned economy

[daring creek]

[opaque coyote]

China at least has other things.

Automated manufacturing, electric car market, etc.

[hallow saddle]

ya ive got a plex server that's basically an old PC

[arctic talon]

They’ve over invested in AI, especially the stock market

[hallow saddle]

pretty pogg

[arctic talon]

But it won’t be as bad for them

[daring creek]

Do you really need a server to torrent

[hallow saddle]

• network storage

[arctic talon]

It’ll still be bad

[languid meadow]

people not knowing that being a sanctioned psyker is not just a piece of paper in the darktide reddit

[arctic talon]

It lets you store a bunch of stuff

lol

[opaque coyote]

The USA however will be fucked

[arctic talon]

We’ll see

[hallow saddle]

yeah cause its got 60TB of storage and never gets turned off

so i can turn off my PC etc

[arctic talon]

We live in interesting times

[hallow saddle]

pogg

[daring creek]

Oh a storage unit. That sounds pretty good...

[arctic talon]

💀

[urban spire]

you're gonna be able to buy a ferrari with a carton of eggs in america

although

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-boom-nuke-nuclear-bomb-gif-20734003

Please

[urban spire]

you won't be able to import it

[opaque coyote]

Let nothing happen again

Please

[urban spire]

i would really like to go back to weeks that feel like years

[urban spire]

invest in chickens i guess lol

hey get a chicken anyway

chickens are cute

[arctic talon]

My friend had several

[hallow saddle]

we have chickens they are cute

[urban spire]

get some goats too, maybe get a vegetable garden started with your community

[hallow saddle]

• eggs are BASED

[urban spire]

i love eggs, but i can't keep them in the house, i'm too good at making them into incredibly unhealthy food

[daring creek]

I'm not raising chickens in my apartment.

[vagrant fox]

you could

[daring creek]

But why.

[hallow saddle]

theyre cute

[vagrant fox]

Like having a pet dog or cat, just abouts

[daring creek]

Wouldn't it be MORE expensive to raise a chicken

Because thats a whole ass animal

[hallow saddle]

if you really want your floor covered in chicken poop, get some

[daring creek]

And

Vet visits

[vagrant fox]

na they eat any trash, just like shrimp do

[daring creek]

What if they eat dangerous trash

[vagrant fox]

then you got dinner

[daring creek]

Death dinner

[urban spire]

take better care of your pets

[arctic talon]

💀

[lament shoal]

Just feed them corn kernels

[daring creek]

Isn't a vet visit like

500 dollars or smth

[hallow saddle]

ur not really taking chickens to the vet

is the unfortunate reality

[daring creek]

What if they get sick

[vagrant fox]

sounds about right depending on what you do

[hallow saddle]

then they might die

[urban spire]

i think you should take your chickens to the vet if they get sick

[daring creek]

How about I just don't get a chicken

[hallow saddle]

ur mainly using prevantative measures

[vagrant fox]

you could have goats instead, they're hardy

[hallow saddle]

give them a good diet, clean em out, some ivermectin, watch out for scaly leg

[urban spire]

goats is good

goat food is cheap too

[daring creek]

In my APARTMENT?

[vagrant fox]

I wish it was cheap

[hallow saddle]

in ur apartment

[lament shoal]

Goat cheese 🗣️

[hallow saddle]

its the chicken's apartment now

[vagrant fox]

oh no I was thinking about goat food you eat yourself

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-gif-22073495

[urban spire]

i love birds so much

[lament shoal]

Look at this cutie

[urban spire]

https://imgur.com/gallery/xxJ5jtQ

[vagrant fox]

god horses are so evil and fucked up

[lament shoal]

NUH UH

[urban spire]

i think the culture is turning against horses a little too hard

[daring creek]

They also have pretty difficult lives

[queen laurel]

They are cool especially the Bay harbor butcher over here

[vagrant fox]

I've had a life long mild fear of horses I was here first I can hate them if I want

[urban spire]

oh those guys are fucked up

[daring creek]

Just don't get behind them lmfao

[opaque coyote]

Depending on what's wrong with the animal, add more

[vagrant fox]

I was forced to ride a horse once and it could've easily done a backflip and killed me and I sensed it would have

[urban spire]

horses are opportunistic carnivores in a bad way though

[lament shoal]

Lets be real, if you do that carelessly then its on you lol

[opaque coyote]

You also have to pay for euthanization btw

[urban spire]

like i can understand a cat eating a mouse but a fucking HORSE eating a mouse just feels unfair

[opaque coyote]

I think it's to pay for storage specifically

[urban spire]

motherfucker you can eat grass why are you eating a mouse

[hallow saddle]

chickens will kill and eat mice too

[urban spire]

leave them alone

[opaque coyote]

snack

[lament shoal]

It wanted a treat

[queen laurel]

Some animals do that cows actually chew on bones because they need calcium

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-ship-i-know-what-you-are-gif-2887024531167339776

[urban spire]

chickens are allowed to eat mice

[lament shoal]

Golshi mentioned

[daring creek]

The same cam be said about us

[opaque coyote]

It's bulking season

[daring creek]

Rats are very common prey

[arctic talon]

Free protein and calcium

[urban spire]

we definitely can't eat grass

[opaque coyote]

Tbf we need protein and all that jazz

[arctic talon]

Humans cannot eat actual grass

[daring creek]

You haven't tried

[arctic talon]

lol

[hallow saddle]

you can eat it ur just not gonna digest it

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[daring creek]

DON'T EAT GRASS BTW

[urban spire]

you don't know my childhood

[hallow saddle]

u can actually eat as much grass as u want

its free

[vagrant fox]

I've definitely tried as a youngin

[hallow saddle]

nobody gonna stop you

[arctic talon]

Same

[daring creek]

Is your teeth fucked up by any chance

[opaque coyote]

Same

[queen laurel]

if we're talking unfair in the animal kingdom that's gonna go to these guys

[arctic talon]

Is this a common thing for kids to do

lol

[urban spire]

also i think one of the more insane leaders of one of the big chinese rebellions in the 1800s or something died because he thought god told him to eat grass

[opaque coyote]

Fat fuck

[arctic talon]

To eat fucking grass

[vagrant fox]

no lizards are chill

[daring creek]

Fat fuck lizards

[urban spire]

or maybe god did tell him to eat grass, idk

[arctic talon]

Taping yess

And it wasn’t grass

[vagrant fox]

I think kids just eat any old shit, I saw one eat dirt with a worm in it

[arctic talon]

It was a few specific plants

lol

[daring creek]

Outdoor kids definitely get a munch out of the bush

[arctic talon]

Human body couldn’t digest it tho

And also they were toxic

So he died

My favorite brother of Jesus

[urban spire]

i heard about that fella on a podcast a month or two ago

what an incredible outcome from a failed exam

[arctic talon]

He wasn’t mentally well in the first place

[queen laurel]

Cinless do you watch casual geographic

[opaque coyote]

Jesus died for our sins

Taping died for our grass...

[arctic talon]

The exams made it worse

[vagrant fox]

guy gets told by god to eat grass, more than 20 million people die
another decade in China

[arctic talon]

The Christian preacher also prolly didn’t help by saying the dude was insane and not listening

[daring creek]

How many people has god killed so far

[arctic talon]

But I don’t blame the preacher

For saying that

[urban spire]

i'd probably eat grass and die too if i had to do an exam like that, but i probably wouldn't bother with all that other stuff it sounds stressful

[arctic talon]

To someone muttering about how they’re the son of Jesus

[opaque coyote]

All and none of them technically

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-skating-griding-for-our-sins-gif-27586395

[languid meadow]

it's got the craziest K/D ratio

[urban spire]

i do not, never heard of it

[lament shoal]

He shredded for our sins

[vagrant fox]

Directly or through worshippers also?

[urban spire]

it was lions led by donkeys

[opaque coyote]

Also depends what type of God

[queen laurel]

i see he's an animal YouTuber good at talking about that stuff he's fun to watch

[urban spire]

oh cool, i might check it out

[queen laurel]

Through direct intervention or natural causes of his creation

[opaque coyote]

Answer ranges from all to none

Depends on which God also

[urban spire]

hebo's got a pretty good kill count

[opaque coyote]

Old Testament God killed a lot of people

[opaque coyote]

New Testament onwards, he seems to have mellowed out

[queen laurel]

Greek pantheon also has a a lot of bodies under their belt

[lament shoal]

The greek gods were actual psychos lmao

[opaque coyote]

Some gods in the Pantheon have none

Others have like piles of bodies.

Like Eros killed zero people

[arctic talon]

The funniest river

[opaque coyote]

His mom though...

[urban spire]

eros is barely a god

[opaque coyote]

Let's just say

Aphrodite is a very toxic shipper

And she would've loved tumblr

[vagrant fox]

I did read recently that the one something named dam in the Yellow River was causing trouble with a lot of sediment buildup
I wonder if that'll lead to problems later

[opaque coyote]

He is also a primordial god in earlier depictions along with Gaia and all that

[lament shoal]

Ngl more games should include accidental enemy friendly fire

[opaque coyote]

But he also didn't kill anybody

Although Zeus uhh

Ate him literally

[arctic talon]

3 gorge dam? Yeah

Gona be interesting how they deal with it

[opaque coyote]

You might also know Eros as Phanes

[urban spire]

i reckon its yellow for a reason

[arctic talon]

Also it’s not in the yellow river

It’s on iirc

[nocturne crest]

Cutie

[arctic talon]

It’s on the yangtze

[urban spire]

never actually looked at pictures of it before, and wow this is really more of a brown river

[arctic talon]

Yeah the river has a ton of sediment

[vagrant fox]

Na I was thinking about the Sanmenxia dam, it's also a good bit older

[opaque coyote]

Dionysus also has very few deaths on his record.

One were a group of pirates that captured him in his travelers. They were going to uhh

"Use him for some fun"

[urban spire]

i have been this sick before

[opaque coyote]

So he killed them all

[lament shoal]

Can rubric marines talk?

[opaque coyote]

There was also a King who intruded on his party

He was drawn and quartered

That's actually it

[lament shoal]

Or are they too dusty

[near wasp]

No they have no mouth and cannot scream

[urban spire]

dusty mfs can't even think

[near wasp]

And also they might be aware of what's happened to them

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/thousand-sons-warhammer-40k-warhammer-thousand-sons-warhammer-40-thousand-sons-warhammer-40k-thousand-sons-gif-3911330265893084421

[urban spire]

lmao

[opaque coyote]

It's fucking disturbing

Like an eternal state of late stage dementia

[storm jungle]

they basically have the sentience of a roomba with a bolter

they are somewhat aware of whats happened to them but they are like a husk, they are just "there"

[urban spire]

deeply offensive to roombas

[near wasp]

Yeah that's kinda what I thought

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/knife-roomba-go-get-em-buddy-roomba-knife-monster-under-bed-gif-2796116913792164699

this is basically how thousand sons sorcerors treat Rubrics

[nocturne crest]

Is it only TS who can become rubrics or could tzeentch turn a random sm into one.

[near wasp]

My Roomba has a claymore america fuck yeah

[storm jungle]

just TS

[lament shoal]

Ik the sorcerers still have physical bodies

[celest dome]

I mean in theory you could make Rubrics from other types of things, but TS are all Sorcerer or Rubrics

[urban spire]

i'm sure tzeentch could just fuckin go for it with anyone sufficiently under his domain if he thought it was funny enough

[storm jungle]

its the non-psoikas that got fucked

[opaque coyote]

I also remember that they generally don't really have much in the geneseed stores anymore.

So they have the make new Marines and/or rubrics via magic

[storm jungle]

its not really about geneseed

they are literalyl dust lol

[celest dome]

Do the TS have Techmarines ?

[storm jungle]

Nope

they got sorcerors for vehicles

[celest dome]

Make sense

[near wasp]

They also capture other Marines for hell brutes

[urban spire]

reckon they make deals with the dark mechanicum like everyone else

[opaque coyote]

I mean for new Marines generally

[storm jungle]

[valid needle]

Don’t need techmarines when you can just abracadabra shit

[urban spire]

i swear chaos marines mostly reproduce through time paradoxes

[storm jungle]

they just use stolen geneseed

it aint that complex

or just pay some fuckmechs to give them some

[opaque coyote]

Wait but then how do they actually make sure it's Thousand Sons then

Since I swear their geneseed is uniquely defective

[storm jungle]

recruit new sorcerers by kidnapping and enslaving psykers to become "thrall wizards," who are then tested for ascension into the Legion.

use google you motherfuckers

I swear

[opaque coyote]

Well you are the witch finder....

[urban spire]

just use the bad wiki it's fine for casual info

[lament shoal]

No, google has that shitty ai

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

maybe you are AI

[languid meadow]

it caused them to mutate like crazy and the emperor, then magnus, and now tzeentch (until it's funny) made sure they didn't explode

[lament shoal]

God forbid I wanna get info from a real person

[valid needle]

It’s not

[storm jungle]

lexicanum

[valid needle]

Lexicanum is the only reliable fan wiki

[storm jungle]

^

[lament shoal]

This is faster

I got the answer almost immediately

Ty btw

[storm jungle]

No. Use lexi.

[valid needle]

Warhammer wiki says the emperor prefers to be called warp daddy

[languid meadow]

this is true im the emperor

[urban spire]

and it's right

[languid meadow]

wait a min

[urban spire]

that's correct information

[storm jungle]

also Im an editor on lexi so im biased

[nocturne crest]

So if I were a csm wizard, I couldn't turn my enemies into rubrics

[storm jungle]

and i add cool info like this

🔦

[urban spire]

oh wow the brainleaf

i remember reading about that mf in fucking the original Dark Heresy

[queen laurel]

Chat , if I invited you guys to a brainleaf blunt rotation you guys say yes or no

[storm jungle]

yeah its gotta be the weed-dust essence of a TSon marine

[near wasp]

If you got the book of Magnus yeah probably

[celest dome]

yes

[languid meadow]

well they don't need more rubrics iirc considering they operate via necron rules and if they "die" they can be brought back

[queen laurel]

That's a yes from cacti

[urban spire]

that thing was part of my early introduction to 40k

[near wasp]

Hell yes

[lament shoal]

Brainleaf sounds like the name for an underhive drug

[languid meadow]

the one PoV of a rubric marine is really cool and sad

[queen laurel]

Another yes from Joseph

[storm jungle]

its a parasitic leaf from catachan that turns you into a zombie

a weed-man if you will

[queen laurel]

Can I roll it in paper and smoke it like a blunt

[arctic talon]

It also slowly turns you into a leaf

lol

[urban spire]

it's kinda pathetic outside of its natural habitat though

[arctic talon]

Prolly not

[lament shoal]

Ohhh I remember a catachan novel being about that

[near wasp]

You mean what I am the second I get off work

[storm jungle]

read what i posted

it literally starts a zombie apocalypse

lmao

[queen laurel]

SHIT

Well brain leaf soup sounds good enough I guess

[arctic talon]

Exciting

[vagrant fox]

everything starts a zombie apocalypse in 40k smh

[arctic talon]

Munda better be peak

[urban spire]

don't be absurd i can't read

[languid meadow]

I love catachan it's just powerscaling with an ecosystem

[arctic talon]

Or else I will firebomb the palanites office

[queen laurel]

When is this going to be going to be

[arctic talon]

Like

4 or 6 days

From now iirc

[queen laurel]

Hmm

[vagrant fox]

hwat the hell is darkwater

[queen laurel]

Interesting interesting

[queen laurel]

Warhammer quest entry for age of sigma

[near wasp]

Necromunda will also somehow has a space marine

[urban spire]

private military contractor

[queen laurel]

Newest one

[celest dome]

Ok, but what if SM in Munda

[near wasp]

Lol

[queen laurel]

Already have that hobo that drinks blood

[languid meadow]

goliaths get power amour

[queen laurel]

Vandroth The definitely not space Marine

[celest dome]

Imperial Fist Hanger On

[arctic talon]

Vandroth moment

[arctic talon]

He absolutely is a marine

lol

Same stat line as one

[queen laurel]

I mean look at his build he looks like he eats people

[arctic talon]

Has a marine knife

[queen laurel]

That's all I need to know he's a Marine

[celest dome]

Blood Angel symbol on his knife

[urban spire]

anyone can have a marine knife

[queen laurel]

But the fact that a blood angel is all the way in necromunda is

A bit confusing to me

How the hell did you get there

[urban spire]

took the train

[queen laurel]

Very funny cindy now sienna explode

[arctic talon]

Also has bits of power armor still

lol

[urban spire]

:C

[celest dome]

But Necromunda is an Aspirant world for the Imperial Fist, I want to see a IF SM as a Hanger On who you can sell Juves to if they've been impressive in the combat

[languid meadow]

not hiding it well

[arctic talon]

AQSHYYYYYYYY

[arctic talon]

An IF hanger on you can sell juves to would be super funny actually

I’m all for it

Assuming you can sell injured juves

[urban spire]

he doesn't look THAT space mariney

[queen laurel]

Every faction can sell their juves except Goliath's

[near wasp]

Juves?

[urban spire]

there's lots of big men in 40k who aren't space marines

[celest dome]

Young Gangers

[urban spire]

don't ask me to name one

[arctic talon]

Child/teen gangers

[queen laurel]

Basically the runt of the litter in a faction like the young guys the rookies or something

[near wasp]

Oh juveniles

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

Yeah shortcut for that

[celest dome]

Juves is the name in the system

[arctic talon]

Some gangs have juves that aren’t kids

lol

And those gangs are the cops

And squats

[queen laurel]

Rookies for palanites for example

[arctic talon]

making them tonight’s big loser

[celest dome]

Slave Ogryn too

[near wasp]

I mean those gangs probably make some tough mfers

Premier fist fuel

[arctic talon]

I just think it would be hilarious for the Palanite juves to be teens they hired

[queen laurel]

That's why they have a recruitment site there

Bastards in necromunda are tough

[celest dome]

Do we even have any Necromunda Imperial Fist character ?

[near wasp]

I mean they also recruit from arguably the only worse planet, terra

[arctic talon]

The juve in question seeing a giant man in black power armor with a skull

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Anyways juves are one of the funniest/most horrifying parts of munda

[storm jungle]

Where

[urban spire]

child criminality in norway has been abnormally high this year, reckon the imperial fists are gonna be recruiting here soon

[queen laurel]

What's the highest type of crime though

That's the important statistic

[urban spire]

don't think it's the highest, just higher than it usually is

and the reason is the swedish gangs are recruiting kids just in general, and norway just happens to be there and convenient

[arctic talon]

That one marine from the stupid comic

With deathwatch

Anyways a true gang gives their juves meth

So they perform better

[queen laurel]

You 500 point infantry unit for the space wolves what's his name

[urban spire]

not to put all the blame on sweden, kids don't usually become criminals if their conditions aren't fucked

[storm jungle]

literally nobody remembers that

NEXT

[arctic talon]

Yeah neither did I

[vagrant fox]

it's the same here
People are getting pretty annoyed with Sweden it's kind of funny

[urban spire]

i think at this point, of the hives that have been fleshed out to any degree, i think i prefer tertium over necromunda

[lament shoal]

Is iho weed or regular tabacco?

[urban spire]

varies

mild narcotic, sometimes specified as a stimulant but not always

[arctic talon]

I like vargaunta the most

lol

Because it’s not a comically crime infested shithole

Munda is great for like Munda tho

[lament shoal]

Comically crime infested shitholes are funny

[urban spire]

personally i like it more as a weed type drug, feels kinder to the guardsmen

if you're writing a fanfic you should treat it like weed though, because you'll have people in your comments coming in like 🤓 "well actually..."

i like some of that intentional vagueness in 40k leftover from the 80s and 90s

like nobody uses real swear words in darktide

[vital ginkgo]

What do Black Templars usually do with someone that has a psychic awakening after they've been made into a space marine? Would they just be forbidden from using their powers or are they kicked out/killed?

[arctic talon]

Send to librarius

But they have no librarius

[lament shoal]

I feel like if I ever heard a darktide character say "fuck" I would die instantly

[arctic talon]

So they’re the new head of the librarius

lol

The Black Templars had a librarius in the past

[celest dome]

Are there cases of SM awakening after being made into SM ?

[arctic talon]

But for some weird reason in universe they haven’t had any psykers in ages

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[lament shoal]

Happens in the salamanders omnibus

[arctic talon]

TLDR if a black Templar went through a psychic awakening in the main crusade fleet

It would be celebrated

Because “holy shit we have a librarius again”

Even if it’s just a single marine

And the entire eternal Crusader library

💀

[urban spire]

the salamanders are the only chapter i kind of like

[vital ginkgo]

Really? Wow I thought they had a stronger dislike for them than that

[lament shoal]

I didn't know they valued space marine psykers given how anti psyker they are

[storm jungle]

this is literally me every time when i sometimes randomly find a 40k thing that uses the word "fuck"

https://youtu.be/1mEDpnJv3Mk

[arctic talon]

Well it’s hypocritical

[storm jungle]

"THEY SAID FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK"

[vagrant fox]

Depends on edition to edition and which crusade fleet to crusade fleet don't it

[arctic talon]

Yeah but GW seems to have settled on they dislike psykers

Hate sorcerers and heretic psykers

[urban spire]

they're just jealous

[arctic talon]

And don’t mind marine ones

[storm jungle]

übermensch ahh

[lament shoal]

They hate navigators too lol

[vagrant fox]

They seem to function in the Deathwatch after all

[arctic talon]

But yeah the Black Templars losing their librarius was considered a shame

[vital ginkgo]

When was the last Black Templar psyker alive?

Or when did they have a librarius

[arctic talon]

M34

The last few died during a fight with a giant warp daemon

lol

[urban spire]

more like the bland templars

[arctic talon]

They saved the main crusade fleet but died horribly

lol

[vital ginkgo]

Ok

[vagrant fox]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kill-you-gif-5063683583336604795

[arctic talon]

So they haven’t had librarians for over 5000 years now

[lament shoal]

@valid needle

[arctic talon]

The librarius barely runs itself now

It’s all fucking serfs

lol

The Black Templars record keeping is horrid

[urban spire]

i am protected

[arctic talon]

Explicitly due to their lack of librarius

[storm jungle]

Theres no Commissar Yarrick

Theres no 14th Black Crusade

and theres no psyker black templars

[vital ginkgo]

So they're passively waiting for one of their brothers to have an awakening without actually recruiting psykers?

[arctic talon]

[lament shoal]

There are no psyker black templars in Ba Sing Se

[arctic talon]

Everyone compatible has not been a psyker

Explicitly

This has caused the apothecary’s of the black Templars to start having some rumors

Among themselves lol

That they don’t share with the rest of the chapter

Which is that “our geneseed is fucked”

[lament shoal]

I'm assuming serfs with psychic powers are sent to assist the marines in the libarius right?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Or astropaths

[lament shoal]

Gotcha

[arctic talon]

The librarius is a mix of normal serfs, Psyker ones, and librarians

In most chapters

[urban spire]

wouldn't the inquisition figure out their geneseed is fucked in pretty short order? or are they one of the special boys chapters who don't tithe?

[arctic talon]

They do tithe, but the fact it doesn’t work on psykers wouldn’t be notable

They’re not any weird horrific mutations

[urban spire]

i guess not

[arctic talon]

But the Apothocaries have started yapping among themselves on how their geneseed may be defective and stuff

Due to their own paranoia lol

[urban spire]

ole emps himself would probably consider it a positive

[arctic talon]

Prolly

[lament shoal]

Ngl I'd probably be into the BTs if their fanbase wasn't made up of mostly horrid people

[urban spire]

hypocrite that he is

[lament shoal]

They have drip

[arctic talon]

Tabards are cool

More at 7

[lament shoal]

Lmfao

[arctic talon]

Anyways yeah the Black Templars are in an awkward situation regarding the state of their librarius

[urban spire]

tabards cool, german cross, uuuuuh

[vagrant fox]

Ah you can still like them, they're one of my faves. Just clown on the chuds

[urban spire]

tugs collar

[vagrant fox]

it's a maltese cross☝️ 🤓

[arctic talon]

Bring back regimental standard GW

[median star]

itsa nearly thunder warrior thursday

[lament shoal]

Yeah isn't it supposed to reference the logo for the irl crusaders

Not nazis lol

[vagrant fox]

One of them, nazis just coopt a lot of symbols because they're chuds

[storm jungle]

^

and like

IRL templars were about nazi-tier cunts

[urban spire]

that's funny because literally the only aerodynamic vehicles in 40k are ork and nid ones

[storm jungle]

so not like it makes a difference imo

lmao

[paper haven]

Holy Roman empire used it first. Since it's also Germany, well.

[arctic talon]

Eldar ones

Are sorta

[storm jungle]

eldar aircraf tis literally just IRL vtol jets

but more smooth

lol

[arctic talon]

Some of their shaping isn’t good

[paper haven]

ANd made out of paper mache

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

its good

you just got no taste

[arctic talon]

Not really

[storm jungle]

what the imperial pilot says before they get blown up by a starlaser

[arctic talon]

No it looks cool as fuck

It’s just bad for aerodynamics

lol

[urban spire]

are we thinking about the same guys?

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[vagrant fox]

idk guys in that one story imperial children disabled that one eldar vehicle with sticks and stones

[paper haven]

Being killed doesn't make them wrong

[arctic talon]

CS goto must die

[storm jungle]

it does tbh

also like

[arctic talon]

Also Eldar planes aren’t the squishiest planes in aeronautica

lol

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

The squishiest planes award goes to Orks

By far

Those are actual glass fucking cannons

[lament shoal]

A BT librarian kitbash would be dope ngl

[urban spire]

these don't look very aerodynamic

[arctic talon]

Eldar planes are pretty durable ironically

[paper haven]

I know. I was referencing Eldar stuff written by people who hate Eldar

[arctic talon]

More durable then some chaos ones

Mostly the daemon engines

[median star]

@storm jungleyou seem to sort of know aboit table top am i going to be murderd if i put 1 lightning claw on term sergeant as power weapon stand in

[arctic talon]

Imperial planes are the brick shithouses of the bunch

[paper haven]

I assume CS Goto hates Eldar, anyway

[arctic talon]

Terrible turning radius

Terrible maneuverability

Extremely fast in a straight line

Decent guns

And also they have missiles out the ass, so that makes em good

Marines are a good bit squishier then other imperial planes

[urban spire]

missiles good

[arctic talon]

Aside from the thunder hawk

[paper haven]

40k's idea of air combat is similar to it's idea of ground combat: Stuck somewhere in the early 50s

[arctic talon]

Which is a fat fuck lol

The manta and thunderhawk get the fat fuck award in aeronautica

[storm jungle]

my tabletop expertise is zero lmao, just ask Elite he knows better

[paper haven]

Close range, dog fighting.

[arctic talon]

Though the manta wins it harder

[arctic talon]

No

A lighting claw is a power weapon

[arctic talon]

They use missiles quite a lot as well

Not like modern ones tho

Like mid Cold War era

[paper haven]

Yeah, exactly.

Close range

[arctic talon]

Fair

[lament shoal]

Some imp pilots merge with their plane's machine spirit right?

[arctic talon]

Some of the bigger planes yeah

Also the Tau cheat with drones

Which is based

So many fucking predator drones Remora’s

[urban spire]

it'd be cool to have a faction with a more modern fighter jet aesthetic

i just like them

[storm jungle]

Thats Eldar basically

they just got curved wings

either take it or get out of my store

[valid needle]

Ah so you have no taste I see

[urban spire]

the eldar aircraft wings are silly

[vagrant fox]

Nightwings are poppinnn

[valid needle]

Templars sacrifice their entire librarium and get their geneseed forcefully meddled with to save the imperium and this is the thanks they get. Disgusting.

[paper haven]

Guess I'll leave then

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

they arent

[lament shoal]

And Necrons be flying the giant croissants

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah

C-shaped ahh

[paper haven]

Necrons don't have to follows the laws of physics

[lament shoal]

I low key fw it

[paper haven]

They can do whatever the hell they want

Except, you know, win

[vagrant fox]

"not cool" "silly"
never disrespect the eldar again

[lament shoal]

That ship looks edible

[arctic talon]

I’m sad Aeronautica Imperialis didn’t do well

Smh

[paper haven]

Oh look, the Bat wing

[arctic talon]

People did not like planes enough

[vagrant fox]

battlefleet gothic is returning and so is aeronautica, trust

[paper haven]

It's a niche within a niche

[arctic talon]

If battlefleet gothic returns as heresy only I’m going to scream in agony

[urban spire]

although tbh peak fighter design was in the 60s

[arctic talon]

Imperium on imperium ships only

[vagrant fox]

get ready to scream

[arctic talon]

Will be so fucking boring

[storm jungle]

literally just

[lament shoal]

My homebrew has a specialization in arial combat. Am I cooked?

[storm jungle]

human vs human

[arctic talon]

For the love of god please include some of the chaos patterns

At the very least

[arctic talon]

No

I’m just sad Aeronautica Imperialis didn’t do well

[paper haven]

My favorite part about the expansive universe is the civil wars

[arctic talon]

So it got discontinued

[vagrant fox]

It has been downhill ever since early jets, they just have no swag anymore

The P-59 Airacomet mogs on all modern jets

[storm jungle]

Gay and sloppa

[valid needle]

It’s impossible. The last black templar librarians died saving the imperium in the howling and their entire geneseed has been unable to ever produce librarians since due to the psyker they defeated.

[storm jungle]

*Its impossible until the writers just bring it back for mini sales

[paper haven]

Release another CSM codex

Give the people what they want.*

[urban spire]

i think they should stop writing about the marines

they've written enough marines fiction

[valid needle]

Their codex says that if the emperor ever blessed them with librarians again they would accept them gladly.

[paper haven]

*the people do not want that

[queen laurel]

That is like asking sienna to no longer shoot fireballs because she has shot enough fireballs

[vagrant fox]

I shouldn't find this as funny as I do
Maybe it is all superhero sloppa

[queen laurel]

You know they're not going to do that

[urban spire]

real unchained hours

I HAVE SHOT ENOUGH FIREBALLS

TIME TO SMASH

[arctic talon]

Are they fucking stupid lol

God

[paper haven]

I'm not sure I understand what the issue here is.
Ten thousand years of constant war vs being in a time capsule.

[vagrant fox]

apparently they're just a bit silly

[valid needle]

It’s not that cross

[lament shoal]

I remember hearing about a story where an ultramarine was stranded on a feudal world and lost his memory. He eventually became part of the community of a local village but later sacrificed himself to kill a lictor that was preying on the civilians. Was this an official story or fan made?

[urban spire]

yeah someone already said

[arctic talon]

They just like 30k not 40K

[arctic talon]

Official

[paper haven]

I also like 30k more

[lament shoal]

Ty

[arctic talon]

I like 40K more

[paper haven]

The slop was made for me

[arctic talon]

More interesting civil wars

lol

[vagrant fox]

dilara rip this bozo to shreds

There's not much I care for about in 30k, there's some neat bits I suppose

[valid needle]

I hope they do

[paper haven]

All you fools and your complex characters and diverse chapters

[arctic talon]

I want varanguard

[valid needle]

Phobos librarian is fucking drippy

He comes pre robed too

[arctic talon]

But I don’t want to start slaves to darkness

[urban spire]

i don't like 40k more, i dislike 30k more

[vagrant fox]

buy more plastic, gw wants it

[arctic talon]

And I don’t want to buy them just to build and paint because they’re expensive as shit

lol

They’re huge but still

[queen laurel]

Then just buy Varanguard and paint them to your heart's content

[arctic talon]

No

[urban spire]

it's way too much marines

[paper haven]

That is fair. I am ravenous for like, Imperial army lore during 30k. There's nothing.

[arctic talon]

I want a d100 age of sigmar ttrpg

[lament shoal]

Where can I read this one btw?

[paper haven]

Apparently the Solar Auxilia are pretty neat.

[arctic talon]

So badly

lol

[arctic talon]

Short story called salvation

[lament shoal]

Ty

[queen laurel]

You will only get that if cubicle 7 actually locks in

[urban spire]

i like 40k when it makes the locations real characters in the story, and space marines tend to soak up all the attention

[queen laurel]

Let me tell you champions of chaos was tragic

[arctic talon]

Champions of chaos was everything I expected from Soulbound

Ngl

lol

Soulbound + wrath and glory as much as I like them both are generally inferior in quality

[queen laurel]

It had many issues on release like imbalance stat spreads making shoe unable to use your equipment

If it was a supplement it wouldn't have a lot of issues it had

[arctic talon]

Oh worse then usual

lol

[paper haven]

The state of warhammer ttrpgs is tragic

[arctic talon]

That’s not good

[queen laurel]

Because it was made to be a standalone game however

[arctic talon]

Wdym

They’re good rn

[queen laurel]

It was butchered

[urban spire]

hey was the remaster of dow1 any good?

[arctic talon]

Which one is tragic lol

You can still buy all of them

[queen laurel]

You're pretty good

[lament shoal]

LMFAO

[paper haven]

Basically a 1 to 1 copy.

[queen laurel]

Literally just dawn the war with a new coat of paint

[arctic talon]

Cadian whiteshields!!!!!

[urban spire]

oh. well.

[paper haven]

Yeah right, that's not a whiteshield.

[arctic talon]

"Children you call them? They can pull a trigger just as well as veterans, and they have the spirit of a bull narthax. Call them children if you wish - I call them troops. Good troops."

[arctic talon]

No but seriously what do you not like about warhammer ttrpgs rn

[paper haven]

That's a deserter. Commissar, exacute that child soldier

[arctic talon]

The only release recently I’d say was bad

[arctic talon]

Was the AoS chaos thing

That was meant to be a soulbound supplement

lol

[paper haven]

I mean 40k mostly

[arctic talon]

Imperium maledictum and Wrath and glory are both fine

Imperium maledictum is good

Wrath and glory varies in quality but it does what it sets out to do

[queen laurel]

I still don't know why they decided to give space wolves an expansion while orks just rot in the core rule book for like

Years already

[arctic talon]

[queen laurel]

The eldar got an expansion

[near wasp]

Children are better suited for crew manned weapons

[arctic talon]

Cubicle 7 does weird things

lol

[paper haven]

Both seem pretty shallow to me

[arctic talon]

Their choices for stuff are pretty arbitrary

[queen laurel]

I also finally enough ask the question of which is the most complete Warhammer RPG and everyone on the server I'm in answered soulbound

[arctic talon]

Imperium maledictum plays like the FFG ttrpgs

[paper haven]

or streamlined, I suppose

[arctic talon]

lol

[queen laurel]

Which is incredibly funny and also true

[arctic talon]

So not really

Wrath and glory is pretty shallow

But it never set out to be deep

So it’s fine

Maledictum is pretty in depth and is a spiritual successor to the FFG stuff

It plays like dark heresy

[vagrant fox]

I do miss the FFG lore but Imperium Maledictum looks good

[urban spire]

the ffg games are still there

[arctic talon]

Yeah that also

Cubicle 7 still sells them

[paper haven]

The choice between Dark Heresy and Imperium maledictum isn't a tough one

[urban spire]

coughs, tugs collar
yeah, you can still buy em, that's what i meant

[vagrant fox]

It's more I want new lore from them

[arctic talon]

If you want low power you play maledictum

Dark heresy is much higher power level

[urban spire]

how does it scale? maledictum i mean

[arctic talon]

A bloodletter is one of the most horrifying things you’ll ever fight

You’re low down

[paper haven]

Dark Heresy can be easily like that

[urban spire]

oh you can never get up high?

[arctic talon]

It never scales up high

[arctic talon]

Dark heresy scales up way more easily

Maledictum never does

[paper haven]

you mean at all

[urban spire]

lategame dark heresy characters are terrifying

[arctic talon]

Yeah

You scale super fucking hard in dark heresy

In maledictum you can get better gear and stats but you’re still squishy

The vibes of the game are different

Imo

[paper haven]

Granted, I never reach the late game because campaigns always peter out

[arctic talon]

Rip

The power curve in maledictum is low

Is why you’d use it

A ganger is scary unless someone pays out the ass for power armor

Carapace can help

But a ganger might have something more then a pea shooter lol

You will almost instantly get downed or wounded often

Combat is lethal as hell

Like, maledictum is a system where 5 random ass chaos cultists armed with autopistols and clubs

Can match a player party of 5 people lol

[urban spire]

i'm fond of black crusade and only war more than dark heresy

the original is pretty rough, and i never really gave the second edition the time of day

[arctic talon]

Black crusade is neat

Tho it also snowballs super fucking hard

[humble shoal]

how does an autopistol beat carapace?

[arctic talon]

Critical hits indicate they’ve found a gap in it. And sometimes someone can’t afford full carapace so they’ve got pieces of flak

[urban spire]

simply shoot around the carapace

[arctic talon]

Yeah

That also

Imperium maledictum will make you appreciate flak armor

Because it can and will save your life

Power armor is the only way to make sure you’re entirely safe from small arms fire in that system lol

Otherwise small arms fire will hurt you

[rose thorn]

i kinda dont get imperium maledictum outside of necromunda campiagns

[urban spire]

anyway history has not ended or culminated, we may still get good 40k rpgs

[arctic talon]

It works for anything low power

[rose thorn]

fair

[arctic talon]

The random half worthless D team of an inqusitor

[urban spire]

rogue trader is probably the coolest rpg though, if i'm being real

[rose thorn]

i only really do low power for genesys '

[arctic talon]

Some administratum scribes cronies

[urban spire]

like black crusade is conceptually cool but the GM has to adlib way more than usual

[arctic talon]

For sure

Rogue trader has a lot of fun possibilities

Tbh

[queen laurel]

It's probably the hardest Warhammer 40k RPG right

[arctic talon]

Eh

If you ignore space combat it plays fine

lol

[queen laurel]

It's not?

[arctic talon]

Big IF

[queen laurel]

Huh

Oh well

[arctic talon]

It plays similarly to the other FFG ttrpgs

Space combat is a clusterfuck though

Not worth it at all

[urban spire]

classic oldschool rpg problem. developers are fine with abstracting for simplicity until you ask them to do vehicle combat, then suddenly they go insane

[arctic talon]

It’s a very faithful recreation of battlefleet gothic for a ttrpg

Unfortunately

[queen laurel]

Well I'm going to go ahead and stick to soulbound

[arctic talon]

it is a very faithful recreation of battlefleet gothic for a ttrpg

[queen laurel]

I need to finish every single character for destruction

I'm totally not addicted to destruction you guys

[urban spire]

what's soulbound?

[queen laurel]

Age of sigmar RPG by cubicle 7

[urban spire]

oh

i tried to get into aos once but dwarfs have been fucking splattered

[arctic talon]

Fyreslayers suck

lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah basically you take the roll of individuals that have they're souls bonded together by the gods, or nagash, or by WWWAAAAAAAGGGH Energy

[arctic talon]

GW will never make me like them

[queen laurel]

And because of that it can get crazy bonkers

One of the goals you can literally set yourself if you are playing an orruk or orc is destroy a city in a single punch

[rose thorn]

whats wrong with KO and Fyreslayers?

they are the polar ends of duard- dwarves

[queen laurel]

You don't like Kharadron overlords?

Fyreslayera I get it's not for everyone

[urban spire]

they're extremes of old world dwarfs, flanderizations almost

[rose thorn]

....

KO?

the

steampunk space dwarves?

[arctic talon]

Khadron def are not a flanderization

Fyreslayers are though

lol

[urban spire]

it's the capitalism part of dwarfs

[rose thorn]

fyreslayers got thier own stuff goign on you just need to enjoy short naked buff men

[arctic talon]

I guess? But it’s not a flanderization of it

[queen laurel]

It's an evolution of the dwarfs of their more business management side and technology

[urban spire]

yeah i guess that's mostly fyreslayers

[rose thorn]

people who like fyreslayers LOVEEEEE fyreslayers

[arctic talon]

They like tech and money, but they aren’t entirely obsessed with money and stuff

[queen laurel]

Fyreslayers I agree on you it's just more slayers

[urban spire]

but still, steampunk space dwarfs don't have the soul

[queen laurel]

And it's not for everyone

[arctic talon]

New deposed when

I need them

GW please

[rose thorn]

?????????????????????????

[urban spire]

they're not a 40 year old parody of northerners that got a bit out of hand

[rose thorn]

what the hell are yout alking about ???

what northerners???

[urban spire]

northern english

[rose thorn]

they are like pirates

that fly

[storm jungle]

england doesnt exist

[urban spire]

the old world dwarfs, i'm talking about old world dwarfs

[rose thorn]

OHH

OHHHH

sorry lmloa

yeah i have no clue what they are paroding i just know KO are badass

[arctic talon]

Albany

Or whatever it’s called

I forgor