40k-lore-chat

[remote wadi]

When I treat my cats properly

[surreal nest]

Brother your neutrality aspect is "WELL NECRONS SEE HUMANS AS ANIMALS AND LAB RATS THEREFORE"

Your argument is loaded

Its not neutral

It has a preconceived notion baked into it

If I start arguing about how certain groups of people dont get certain rights and well certain people have reasons to not give them certain rights I am inherently making a skewed argument by the framing of it

[remote wadi]

I'm just saying the necrons aren't much different from current scientific community

It's just that in their ranks they stripped themselves from the other sides of society

[surreal nest]

But you think necrons are just experimenting on humans when theyre mass murdering them

[surreal nest]

They arent abducting humans theyre genociding populations

And yes that does include testing on humans but still

[remote wadi]

Aren't some necrons also preserving humans

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/jahouchinasupporttaiwan-gif-25756429

[lament shoal]

My Chinese history major friend is gonna get a kick outta this lol

[storm jungle]

Dynasties who experiment on humans is literally JUST Szarekhans

[surreal nest]

Im sure theres people who collect them i guess

[arctic talon]

Trazyn is the only one who collects people

lol

[storm jungle]

And they all go to Szeras

to be, you know

fucking torn open

[arctic talon]

Vivisected

[surreal nest]

But necrons dont need to really research humans necron technology is FAR beyond humanity in every single way

[remote wadi]

I'll be honest that I don't know necrons that close

Besides their interactions with guilliman

[storm jungle]

THEN WHY MAKE THESE ASSUMPTIONS

💀

[remote wadi]

And the collector guy

[surreal nest]

They dont even need the warp

[storm jungle]

uaaagh

[surreal nest]

Humanity cant even FATHOM FTL

[storm jungle]

chat im gonna necron

IM GONNA NECRONNNNN

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[dapper gyro]

Trazyn doesn't kill things he collects. He likes to preserve.

[valid needle]

Trazyn does what trazyn does don’t try to understand because you never will

[lament shoal]

I'm gaussing it

[dapper gyro]

Even among Necron lords, he is an outliner.

[surreal nest]

To summarize. Treating animals bad is wrong and necrons are probably one of THE most evil factions in warhammer

[dapper gyro]

The only Necron lord without a necron army.

[valid needle]

Trazyn is like that kid you knew growing up who had a coin collection

[remote wadi]

But they can be curious about how we work

[surreal nest]

They already know

[remote wadi]

It's not uncommon for advanced societies to be curious

[storm jungle]

Yeah it isnt

but like

[surreal nest]

Necrons predate humanity

[storm jungle]

theres literally NOTHING tı learn from humanity

some necrons admit fascination but its like how we look at animals today

"Oh shit that mantis ripped the male's head off lmao"

[remote wadi]

If they don't have interest why are humans still in the setting

[storm jungle]

Because plot

and money

[remote wadi]

I mean they could erease us

[surreal nest]

Because necrons are still waking up?

[storm jungle]

Plot ^

They dont erase us because every dynasty is doing their own thing

[arctic talon]

Eepy

[surreal nest]

Necrons arent a full force yet thats the entire point they are remnants of a space faring civilization

[remote wadi]

Lmao

[storm jungle]

My one the Anunbetov is literally just on the edge of Obscurus building a few system wide empire and keeping to themselves

because their female phaeron likes human worshippers and mega-monoliths

lol

[arctic talon]

This is the Necrons rn

https://tenor.com/view/bed-cute-cat-good-morning-gif-8298043186381886828

[arctic talon]

Imotekh pilled

[rose thorn]

They are gonna release a gortek book of him vs chaos duardin and call it duardin slayer or something

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

Its mostly Nihilakh inspired but true lol

[rose thorn]

And it’s gonna be released by someone we’ve never heard of

[remote wadi]

I'm just saying the necrons prolly have enought power to just choose to end us and they dont

It makes it sound like a necron dominated galaxy is just them having fun

[surreal nest]

Notice how everytime they wake up mass destruction happens

[remote wadi]

Until they all go mindless batshit

[lament shoal]

Either that or taking the longest nap known to existence lmao

[surreal nest]

Like entire worlds gone

[remote wadi]

But that takes time

[storm jungle]

They do

and they arent having fun

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-follow-me-gif-4273618567139914195

[storm jungle]

every Dyynasty is doing their own thing

[remote wadi]

I'm just saying end game wise necrons and tau sound better than human

[storm jungle]

Some are eepy, some are amnesiac, some got dementia, some dont care, some are exterminating, etc

[storm jungle]

NECRONS WILL LITERALLY MAKE YOU SLAVES

[remote wadi]

Cause even if we did win we just gonna keep the chaos game going

[surreal nest]

The whole point of warhammer is not picking an evil

[storm jungle]

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

[surreal nest]

You are failing warhammer 101

[storm jungle]

Its literally what saltzypyre said

you compare evils, you find kinship with the least

[surreal nest]

Also the Tau are blatantly evil

[remote wadi]

Not if they get to their endgame

[remote wadi]

Since at that point other species are long gone

[surreal nest]

Their end game is mass domination

[storm jungle]

Lmfao god damn it

[lament shoal]

Yeah they're the fucking space British

[remote wadi]

Also no evil gods

[lament shoal]

Imperialistic af

[remote wadi]

I would say no evil gods is a huge w

[surreal nest]

The greater good is not good because its called good the greater good is commonly what very evil people say when they do terrible things

[storm jungle]

C'TAN

HELLO?

[remote wadi]

Aren't c'tan basically dead

[storm jungle]

No lol

[surreal nest]

Clearly not

[lament shoal]

No

[storm jungle]

they are broken up into shards

you cannot "kill" ctan

they are a fact of the material universe

you cannot kill reality

[arctic talon]

Have some eldar empire lore

The Aeldari Empire ruled much of the galaxy. Their reach was near absolute. No enemy posed a credible threat to the Pre-fall Aeldari. Danger and toil were a distant memory to them.

[lament shoal]

Necrons put them in fucking pokéballs

[arctic talon]

New drukhari codex

[storm jungle]

Based

[remote wadi]

But if you don't put them toghter they don't get toghter

[storm jungle]

Oh my god

[valid needle]

Until they orgy fucked an evil god into existence

[remote wadi]

Just on a constant state of existance and inexistent

[lament shoal]

Dude a c'tan shard on its own is extremely powerful and dangerous

[remote wadi]

Yes but the tau lack their lifespan and infinite power

So they won't get to that point

[arctic talon]

“With an area known as the Sprawls exists a wretched Drukhari called the Parched. Having gone too long without feeding on pain, the Parched have degenerated into not much more than feral ghouls. They swarm after even the merest shred of emotion. The Drukhari view these wasterels with contempt but secretly fear that one day their fate would be theirs. There are rumours of the Ganwing Queen of the Parch, a monster who hunts healthy Drukhari to devour.”

Deldar ghouls real

[storm jungle]

Where are you getting this from

PDF?

or is it shaskais

[raven stone]

NGL that looks like pretty sick lore for DEldar if real

[vagrant fox]

I saw something similar on shaskais

[storm jungle]

Aha yep its him

[arctic talon]

Shaskais

[remote wadi]

I'm just saying aeldari had everything to do the tau dream

[lament shoal]

Oh I remember these guys, they appear in the salamanders omnibus

[remote wadi]

But chaos

That's the advantage tau have

[arctic talon]

Ah that’s why they seem familiar

[remote wadi]

They don't live enough

I would say that even when the tau start to have more warp connection they prolly better prepared for it

Cause their fate isn't on a being but an ideology

Cause the biggest reason why the belief system of empire is flawed is cause it relies on the big E

[raven stone]

they wouldn't be the first to try a (mostly) aetheistic approach, but
It is questionable if Chaos would allow them to succeed once Tau become noticed to them

Also Tau are going to have their entire thing backfire if they attempt to integrate Chaos worshipping Xenos into their empire :p

[arctic talon]

Chaos is on the kill on sight list

So unlikely

[raven stone]

Although it is true to say that 30k Imperium still hinged too much on Emperor himself even with the whole state aetheism thing

[arctic talon]

The ethereals know about it as does the water caste

[raven stone]

Oh excellent

(genuinely excellent)

glad to know GW has been updating their lore knoweldge

[arctic talon]

But the water caste has people that root out cults/rebellious groups and such

[raven stone]

Ah ok, yea, my Tau lore is runnning on really ancient stuff

I remember Water Caste as the diplomats

[arctic talon]

They are

but GW has been pushing the Water caste intelligence stuff since late 7e and early 8e to be more CIA/KGB adjactent

The water caste is in essence split into multiple branches now

[raven stone]

AH. Fascinating

[arctic talon]

More nominal diplomats, culture experts, ect.

and then Spooks, secret police, infiliration, sabotage, ect.

[raven stone]

I'm going to have to read up on that then

I will be honest, as much as some people (and, as a borderline case, myself) think Tau are a tonal clash with the "grim stupid" of the 40k setting as a whole

Tau as a faciton opens up a LOT of new Spec Ops battle shennanigans

[arctic talon]

the water caste have always have had some of the whole, Secret Police/Destabalizing regime stuff going on

but GW has leaned it into it A lot more recently

[raven stone]

that you just cannot do with any other factions in 40k

[arctic talon]

which is fun

Yeah

[raven stone]

agreed

...actaully something like MK Ultra is more Tau like than Imperium lol

[arctic talon]

Ah thats the name of the KGB/CIA spook organization

Hundred Eyes

[raven stone]

Also I am going to call GW cowards for not doing an Opium War analogue in 40k lore lol

(I mean, it just outright aligns the most with what Tau would realistically be like)

[arctic talon]

next edition we're gona get the Tau "saving" a world that has been striken with a drug crisis and "liberating" its native population and territory

[remote wadi]

To be fair

The earth caste is the engineer heaven

[arctic talon]

till you fuck up and get sent to the ass end of nowhere

stuck maintaining oil rigs till the day you die

[raven stone]

TBF being "promoted by exile" in fuckups is common through most factions

It's just Tau tend to make you forget about that possbility better than the others :p

[remote wadi]

And I'll gladly do it for the greater good

[dapper gyro]

Job security

[arctic talon]

LOL

[remote wadi]

No unemployment in the tau

[arctic talon]

This is true

you'll never be unemployed in the Tau empire

[remote wadi]

Also you get fed fairly well

And Ur not an ethereal so you won't question it consistently like we humans tend to do

You will occasionally question it but overall Ur fine

[dapper gyro]

Soyúz nerushímyy respúblik svobódnykh
Splotíla navéki velíkaya Rus.

[raven stone]

...?

[remote wadi]

English

[dapper gyro]

Soviet anthem

[remote wadi]

Oh

[raven stone]

Ah

[remote wadi]

The tau aren't communists

Not in ideology

[raven stone]

50/50 ish on that

[remote wadi]

They are in pratice

[raven stone]

yea

[dapper gyro]

Idea can be whatever, practice is what dictates.

[remote wadi]

That's not true since China is seen as communist

And they have a different pratice from soviets

[dapper gyro]

Tyrant can show up in any ideology and regime.

[remote wadi]

Also ethereals aren't tyrants they are monarchs

They are born into it

They didn't impose it

Which in pratice is the same

But ideologistically is different

[dapper gyro]

I'm not talking about 40K Tau. I'm talking about the general political agenda.

[remote wadi]

Oh I mean in Warhammer they all flawed and bad

[dapper gyro]

I'm from a commie country, too. But hell it is not commie in practice.

[remote wadi]

I'm from a very centralist country and tbh not even centralism works

We are socially good but economically bad

(I don't think I can go any further)

[raven stone]

Orpheus is a minor civilized world, lacking investment by the Administratum. This made Orpheus more akin to the frontier worlds found in Rogue Trader domains. Imperial authority is only nominal, but xenos trade, mostly done by Rogue Traders and T'au Water caste, flourished. This continued under the lower-letter-c corrupted attitudes of the Imperial Governor, who profited immensely to pay the Imperial Tithes demanded.

The shift in power came not from an invasion, but from a creeping economic and trade dominance. Ordos Xenos archives indicated that at least a decade before the outbreak of the Orpheus Wars, T'au agricultural goods have been dominating the local market, out competing Orpheus' native agricultural sectors. Magos Biologis examinations indicated that T'au have been selling stable foods and herbs laced with an additive material, forcing the populace to be dependent on compromised Water Caste food sources, instead of food provided by honest human toil. The corrupt governor's own lackadaisical attitude and short termisim had allowed the T'au agricultural product to infiltrate every level of Orpheus' society. 

Nor was the Inquisition the only party to notice. Lady Guinevere, daughter of the governor, noticed the trend and notified Marshal Provost Modnar of the Adeptus Arbites. Provost Modnar, loyal to a fault, immediately mobilized the Orpheus Arbites garrison. Marshal law was declared, with any Water Caste and humans involved arrested en mass for due processing or execution. Related assets were seized all across Orpheus.```
(Part 1)

[remote wadi]

The empire of mankind sees this as heresy

I see this as tau efficiency

They ruled the free market

[sacred ginkgo]

"free market"

All of this was basically illegal

[remote wadi]

Welp the empire wants to make it their market

Cause creeping economic and trade dominance usually means their product was better and cheaper

[raven stone]

This is the broad strokes of the Orhpeus War. As to Lady Guinevere's fate, Ordos Xenos archives indicated [INSUFFICIENT CLEARANCE, ACCESS TERMINATED].```

[sacred ginkgo]

Or that it was laced

[raven stone]

@arctic talon Dear Games Workshop
THIS is how you do an Ompium Wars analogue lol

[remote wadi]

I mean he was paying the thites right

[raven stone]

He was paying Imperial Tithes, so Administratum didn't notice anything unusual

[remote wadi]

There was no irs invasion there

Just good old business

Otherwise the arbiters would be all over it

[raven stone]

I did mention the Arbites

They certainly didn't like the idea humans were dependent on additive foods

[sacred ginkgo]

"Provost Modnar, loyal to a fault, immediately mobilized the Orpheus Arbites garrison. Marshal law was declared, with any Water Caste and humans involved arrested en mass for due processing or execution. Related assets were seized all across Orpheus."

[remote wadi]

The way I see it this was them saying we don't like deals with tau

Not the deal being a bad deal

But I mean the empire wants the tau dead so eh

But yeah it was well written

[raven stone]

Again, based on real Opium Wars :p

[remote wadi]

I mean there's plenty real life mythology and lore on warhammer

[raven stone]

I just threw in the whole Lady Guinevere thing to hew to Imperium's fictional Euro medieval setting a bit more :p

[remote wadi]

Noice

[raven stone]

(Although if I really want to I could make a Cold War Spy Bridge prisoner exchange story out of that too lol)

[remote wadi]

Honestly it would be fun to see

I just wanted to point out that abbadon is a good representation of the military dictatorships that came after monarchy felt

Or how Horus is a good representation of why the monarchs felt

[valid needle]

Mf I swear to god bro give up the philosophy game

Dilara I can’t do this anymore please💀 @storm jungle

I will bounce myself off a bridge if I read another philosophy shower thought

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Hes not doing anything wrong im sorry 😭

but

[surreal nest]

He is the single best ragebaiter I have ever seen

Do not harm him

[storm jungle]

I will just say please keep the weird philosophical stuff to a minimum, it weirds off other users and is a bit distruptive

I get that you are being genuine with these but they are very weird man 😭

[glossy sonnet]

Technically thats part of 40k lore, no?

[rose thorn]

i hope the red gobbo is removable

it looks so bad with him in it

[sacred ginkgo]

Everything is removable with flush cutters and a file

[outer wave]

I cant believe she hates the red gobbo on the red gobbo model......

[rose thorn]

i thinka ll fo the red gobbos look bad but that is at ake the world isnt erady for yet

i like this guy tho, hes a gitmob git

my lgs hsa so many old erd gobbos just rotting n the shelves for like 20 bucks

[arctic talon]

They appeal to a very specific type of person tbh

[rose thorn]

if there was an aos coded red gobbo id likely get it

but msot of tehse are 40k slop for a like 15 year old model

"grots grots grots!!! grots!! guysd ont we love grots ?"

[arctic talon]

He’s a 40k character

So prolly not

Not unless they invent an AoS red gobbo

lol

[rose thorn]

hes alwasy gotten aos rules

and da black gobbo is slightly more cannonically in aos than red gobbo

[dire loom]

Thank you Sah! Proud to serve under Sergeant Major Dilara! Sah!

[rose thorn]

2009?????

[rose thorn]

grentchen are 16 yeras old jesus christ

[dire loom]

Child soldiers sent to their deaths.

[rose thorn]

the kit is 16 years old

[dire loom]

Really common honestly

Sad

[dire loom]

that too

Also sad

I mean it literally the first thing you see in the character creator in Darktide.

[rose thorn]

i hope the ork release next edition is jstu referhses

[dire loom]

Hella funny

[rose thorn]

40k needs mass referhses instead of new kits that are bad

ecept for WE and EC and 1k

they need like 5 new kits each

[dire loom]

Love me Imperial Guard, Astra Miliwot?

[rose thorn]

i dont realy care about imperial guard

i like the kitbashes

[dire loom]

Is it personal because eww fascist and IRL politics or is it because you just don't like the looks too basic?

I like em because they're just regular dudes

[rose thorn]

i htink krieg are idiots, otherwise i just dont vibe with it

i really like cities

[dire loom]

Everything else is op

[rose thorn]

there is alot of culture and perosnality

but guard isnt really coded that way

[dire loom]

I like the uniformity.

Reminds me of the army

[rose thorn]

i do liek GSC, they haev alot of individuality and culuer that makes them unique

[dire loom]

Well, because they're literally the Imperium's army ffs. Lol

Just rebranded after Hours Heresy

[dire loom]

Remind me what GSC is again

[rose thorn]

genestealer cults

the most effective threat agaisnt the imperium lma o

[dire loom]

Hmm, I see.

Well I like the bad guys.

[rose thorn]

rebels, gurilla fighters, children of the star gods

[dire loom]

I get bored of the good guys, not that the Tyranids are good guys. I just don't like the rebel types unless it's like the American revolution.

Tyranids just eat everything.

[rose thorn]

i assure you gscs are nto the godo guys lmao

[dire loom]

To them, all are rations.

Terrifying

[rose thorn]

gsc had thier heads pressed in this ediiton by the rules writers so i havent vibed with them tihs ediiton

i love every model in gsc, they are so cool

[dire loom]

It just sucks playing or larping as the bad guys though, because you get called a fascist even though your not actually a racist nor sexist is what I think some imply when you say you like Black Templars or Imperial Guard as 2 examples.

Bad actors ruin everything.

[rose thorn]

i just liek roleplayingterrorists lol

gurilla wrafare is so fun

[dire loom]

Oh, then that's based.

Then you kind of understand where I'm coming from then.

Baddies are more fun and look cooler

[rose thorn]

yeah i dont like krieg at all, i think they are idiots and their fandom is usually worse

[dire loom]

Sometimes it's better just being a cartoon villain too.

[rose thorn]

PRAISE THE STAR CHILDREN

[dire loom]

Yeah I'm more of a Cadia guy, the Kriegers trigger me.

[rose thorn]

my favorite prat of guard is the horses

[dire loom]

Crazy though I would never lol

[rose thorn]

i am quite fond of mongullion asthetic

[dire loom]

I like the Imperial tanks of the guard.

[rose thorn]

if i were to do guard id do a horse army

i also liek karskin

but htats because htey are a killteam

adn kiltleam kits are jsut better

[dire loom]

I'd stare at the ones you'd see in Darktide for a bit.

Good stuff

[dire loom]

I'm still waiting for gold skull Kasrkin and Cadian drip stuff. Lol

Perhaps one day

[rose thorn]

i liek the idea of elite veteran dudes

they make great reps of your dude's cutlure

[dire loom]

But normal humans, yes I agree.

[rose thorn]

i do like the uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

uhhhhh

school of pregenia guys

the blue guys

they are elite eilte guard

[dire loom]

Oh I forgot who they are

[rose thorn]

tthey are alot more dividualistic

[dire loom]

Hmm, I'll have to look it up.

[rose thorn]

what the hell were they called

scions

tempestus scions\

[dire loom]

Oh those guys!

They're Imperial Stormtroopers.

[rose thorn]

thats the low gothic name yeah

[dire loom]

They're actually what our veterans in-game are supposed to be apparently when they become acolytes.

[rose thorn]

i think karskin are more elite than temepst scions if i remmeber correctly let me check

@arctic talon are tempest scions or karskisn supposed to be more elite

[dire loom]

Veterans are Imperial Stormtroopers which is what a Tempestus Scion and Kasrkin are.

The Inquisition utilizes em a lot in their kill teams/strike teams.

[rose thorn]

i know

[dire loom]

Good stuff

[rose thorn]

i read all 2 (two) of thier books

audio books at least

[dire loom]

Nice

[rose thorn]

they were in the auronatus book i realy liked

they werefun

[dire loom]

I gotta go clock back in, it was nice chatting with yah Sah.

[rose thorn]

byeeee

[arctic talon]

They’re the same in terms of eliteness

Though they get into arguments on who’s tougher and stuff ect.

The end result of their training is the same

[rose thorn]

ahh ice

[young pecan]

Are there any known guard regiments that are also ecclesiarchy fanatics and incorporate it into the regiment

I knew ecc. and guard are inherently separated but still

[arctic talon]

Maccabian Janissaries

Athonian tunnel rats wear holy scripture

[rose thorn]

hey does Attila have a noraml guard regiment or is it only horses

[arctic talon]

They have normal ones but it’s 99% horse

Mostly due to tradition

You’re a weirdo if you don’t ride a horse

[rose thorn]

fair

talkign abotu eariler how my favoriet part of guard is horses

its so weird and off base for a scifi setting its amazing

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-you-have-alerted-the-horse-alert-alert-horse-horse-alert-gif-10675569724654458517

Krieger has horse

Cyborg horse

Definitely servitor

Probably

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/tokai-teio-umamusume-silly-stare-ominous-gif-10630741857622335672

[rose thorn]

they are mutant hroses

[rose thorn]

I DONT KNOW WHO YOUAREEE

AAAAAAAAAAAA

[opaque coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/haru-urara-haru-urara-punch-uma-gif-3671877342466542406

[rose thorn]

iw ish cities didntu se horses

[opaque coyote]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733550444860932156/1424228333020778648/RDT_20251004_1920068373750570065700049.gif

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-ship-uma-musume-dropkick-gif-1310520311152972568

[rose thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1231286447131328544/1419663976165412865/image0.gif

[opaque coyote]

Horse

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-ship-uma-musume-win-epic-win-command-grab-gif-159274974328004337

[strong bison]

Scions come from the same schola that Commissars and Sororitas are trained in. Orphans of officers who are trained into becoming well drilled and loyal soldiers. They're even decked out in personal body cams and bombs implanted inside their armor to prevent the enemy from captureing them alive

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-gif-16036169316870674622

[arctic talon]

The wonders of being based on WW1

[rose thorn]

i know i wasnt sure ifg htey were consideredbetter than or equal to karskin

[rose thorn]

ww1 is the most bsaed war because everyone fucking hated it

[arctic talon]

LOL

[strong bison]

I would put them on par, but Kasakirns are vets of Cadia, since the Imperium understands that Cadia needs all the help they can get. But they probably aren't as rigid and disciplined since Commissars are usually leading Scion teams

Both got hellguns and faith though

[lament shoal]

Correction: Cadia needed all the help it could get

[arctic talon]

Stormtroopers are generally all about equal in lore because at one point they all used the same datasheet Lol

So GW wrote them to be that way

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-of-cadia-cadia-battlefleet-gothic-gif-25242351

[strong bison]

CADIA STANDS

Now Scions got little tread cars and fancy grav chutes

[celest cedar]

darn mon-keighs

[opaque coyote]

There's nowhere left to stand though. It's a fucking asteroid field

Gottem

[dapper gyro]

Lore stormtrooper isn't as rigid and being quiet professionals as people make it out to be. They banter like everyone else.

The difference is mostly the deployment methods. But that is omitted in table top, as they are just official alternative models.

[strong bison]

They probably smack talk as much as they can get away with. The cameras on their shoulders are live feeds back to command

[dire loom]

Just like Darktide banter

Good times

My last break before shift ends.

[dire loom]

Nice

[dire loom]

You can stand in mid air Sah

Plus the hammer bolter showed em standing too.

That one episode of whole land of Cadia still in tack you can land on the asteroids etc.

I carry a pocket sand vial of Cadia wherever I go.

[crisp heath]

Hey so whats the purpose of those ironjaws that ogryns can equip? The description just says they are handy and that they make sneezing snoring and biting different

[opaque coyote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8RFIAGuivw

[crisp heath]

[arctic talon]

Often to reinforce their jaws or as fashion

lol

or as replacements

[coral granite]

Or pulling a Mike Tyson

Ears make good battle trophies

[arctic talon]

tbh

Orks do not need that to tear a human or Marines ears off

lol

or any other common xenos

[crisp heath]

Im talking about ogryns

[arctic talon]

Same applies imo

also I'm dumb

[daring creek]

Do space marines ever experience things like backpain...or is that subsided by their armor and raw muscle

[plush mason]

i am still waiting for the Maccabian Janissary skins

[arctic talon]

if something is really fucking heavy or they're really old

like really really really really really really really old

[daring creek]

Dante old?

[plush mason]

Dante's backpain must be legendary, like kill a lesser marine levels of pain

[arctic talon]

yeah prolly

if he wasn't a blood angel

[dire loom]

I assume it's to bite the enemies, that's my guess.

Or to aid em better in doing that even more effectively.

[lament shoal]

Ogryns also have a penchant for eating random objects so

[coral granite]

Mmm steel rebar

Plenty of iron for a diet

[dapper gyro]

In a naked fight, ogryn can win vs marine most of the time.

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

[shadow plover]

in pure strength yes but it would have very hard time keeping up with a marine's speed to be fair

[queen laurel]

But just naked hand to hand fighting physically no special gear equipment the marine will have to start pulling up a martial arts and other things and then all ogryn can do is just take the hit grab him and begin breaking his bone

So like in that type of fight a marine has to be extremely careful

Because a marine could throw out a wrong move and ogryn can just take the hit and grab him

[dapper gyro]

Big people don't just punch harder because they are heavier. Speed is a big reason their punches hurt more.

[misty vector]

id imagine once the ogryn gets a good hold on the marine they could def tear their arm off

[dapper gyro]

Ogryn can swing his arm and suddenly blocking is not an option for the marine.

[queen laurel]

Dodging is your only option when an ogryn swings at you

Unless you are at the same physical level as they are you are not taking the hit

these guys can brake tanks with nothing but a rusty pipe

and dent steel with literal punches

[shadow plover]

Pretty sure a marine can take a punch from an ogryn, the problem comes if it gets into a grappling distance

[dapper gyro]

Having guns is a different scenario.

[queen laurel]

any fight where gear is in the table the marine will win most of the time

[dapper gyro]

Here we discuss specifically about hand to hand.

[shadow plover]

either by bending the marine out of shape or crushing force

[dapper gyro]

Strong ogryn can hold themselves up vs armoured marines.

[dapper gyro]

I'm not sure why you think that if they can bend the SM, but SM can tank punch...

[queen laurel]

I mean ogryns can headbutt enough force to kill a warboss

and again their punch could kind of just dent tanks, a marine gets hit once and it's gonna be a very very painful injury

[shadow plover]

Because marines are resolute as hell but nothing really saves them from getting their spine bend the wrong way

[queen laurel]

That is true marines are incredibly stubborn

Even when their skull is literally cracking from the inside they will just keep fighting

[dapper gyro]

I'm talking about what makes you think SM can tank ogryn punches if ogryn can do something harder.

[shadow plover]

because they could most likely keep going even with the massive damage they've sustained

[queen laurel]

yeah nothing sort of a movement stopping injury is gonna stop a stubborn marine

I'm sure if they get caught with the wrong punch though they will be knocked out for good

[dapper gyro]

Ok, that's fair.

[queen laurel]

So they would probably try to get out of the way

When an ogryn would swing

[dapper gyro]

It is funny about SM ribcage.

[shadow plover]

Whereas Ogryns don't have the luxury of gene engineered innards to keep going if they get hit bad, they can get hit a plenty but a bad hit to sternum, neck or other obvious weakspots might drop them instantly

[dapper gyro]

You know that broken ribcages can penetrate your organs? SM ribcage would make it worse if they got it by high traumatic force.

[shadow plover]

yeah it's written silly but the idea might be that it's segmented to allow breathing and flexibility whilst being 'solid'

but if it were just a solid mass of bone it would be very prone to killing marines

[dapper gyro]

Their ribs are bigger, so it could damage the internal more.

[dapper gyro]

I think that they retcon it a long time ago.

[crisp heath]

One of the mew voice lines mentions an ogryn eating one of their weapons

[slow quarry]

About Spacemarine Physique there are a lot of funny things especially in the older books.

[remote wadi]

I'm sorry Dilara

[remote wadi]

I think the part we are lacking in this discussion is could the ogryn even get to hit the marine

The marines are way better trained and they wouldn't have any issues shooting first

And even on hand to hand combat, marines would prolly have good defense

[celest dome]

Yes

Has already happened in lore multiple times

[queen laurel]

yeah by dodging, they are faster but the moment an ogryn get's their hands on a marine they will get crumpled like paper

[rocky gale]

Ogryns can be quick as well

[queen laurel]

a chaos terminator got this treatment done into him

"With a roar, the ogryn picked up one of the traitors, one massive hand upon the enemy's backpack and the other between his legs. It lifted the Chaos Marine high into the air and slammed it head first into the ground, cracking its neck".

[rocky gale]

Quicker than you'd expect when they're enraged

[queen laurel]

so if they can do that to terminator

what do you think it's gonna happen when they grab a marine wearing basic space marine Power armour

[dapper gyro]

Nothing is hard with enough brute force.

[queen laurel]

Not including special characters and stuff physically speaking they are the strongest living inhabitants of the imperium

Their entire job literally revolves around physical related labors and pulverizing people into paste

[dapper gyro]

Without augmentation*

Thunder warrior and custodes are the 2 main groups that can beat them in a naked hand to hand, but they are both augmented.

[rocky gale]

Yea like Above and Beyond has a single Ogryn mulch a squad of Scions in seconds, moving around like a blurred shadow and just crushing them

[queen laurel]

yeah but like when it comes to raw physical power you think they can really match an ogryn?

[dapper gyro]

Yes

[queen laurel]

on other faculties oh most definitely they are way better but likeOn other faculties oh most definitely they are way better but like

[dapper gyro]

One custodian soloed 3 orgryns naked.

[queen laurel]

these guys are dragging around Armored transports, suplexing terminators, and breaking tanks with nothing but literally clubs

[dapper gyro]

Even removed orgryn arm lock. But to be honest those guys are different level of power scaling.

[queen laurel]

ok but custodes are humans plus they are physically speaking perfect, they are the Jack of all trades perfect guys like they are not as strong as an ogryn per se

But there are other biology are so absurd it literally negates the main advantage of the big guys

[dapper gyro]

The banana boys are the apex after all.

[queen laurel]

It's like a strong man fighting a professional fighter

[dapper gyro]

Nope, custode is just stronger.

Physically beyond orgryn.

Thunder warrior as well, but not to the point of being unharmed like custodes.

Thunder warrior is = 3 marines, with their half assed armour.

[queen laurel]

Just because they can beat Ogryns in a physical fight naked doesn't make them automatically physically stronger and raw strength, they are far superior in combatability most definitely better senses better speed they are the Jack of all trades perfect characters of the imperium , but raw strength is the one part ogryns will always beat them at

Again I am not saying ogrins can win against them I'm just stating the fact that they have a disadvantage on brute strength but there are other advantages cancel out the brute strength advantage

[dapper gyro]

When I say that, I don't mean in a hand to hand fight.

[crisp heath]

Do you have any sources for custodes physical strength? Cause the feat people use to judge ogryns is that time one pulled a tank all you'd have to do is find something more impressive than that

But then you get into in armor vs out of armor

[plush mason]

one ogryn soloed 3 chaos terminators

just crushed one and ripped the other 2 apart

[queen laurel]

"Bolter fire raked towards him, striking the hulking abhuman, who
grimaced in pain. Chunks of flesh were torn from its arms and chest, but the
three metre creature that dwarfed even the Terminators did not slow. It
lowered a shoulder and smashed into one of the enemy, knocking it from its
feet. Raising the butt of its heavy ripper gun, the ogryn began caving in the
helmet of the fallen warrior, smashing it down onto the prone traitor again
and again."

ogryns bashing in the head of a terminator with literally nothing but his gun

and one suplexing a Terminator and killing him by breaking his neck on the said suplex

"With a roar, the ogryn picked up one of the traitors, one massive hand upon the enemy's backpack and the other between his legs. It lifted the Chaos Marine high into the air and slammed it head first into the ground, cracking its neck".

All of this are from dark apostle

[crisp heath]

Im asking for custodes feats

I wasn't able to find any

[plush mason]

didnt a handful of them wipe out an entire primaris chapter for disobeying them?

[celest dome]

Primaris reinforcement for a Chapter iirc

[crisp heath]

That's fights

Like physical strength

Picking something up

I thought this conversation was about who's stronger

[vagrant fox]

Not strictly speaking Ogryns but a rough gene-enhanced rough facsimile, describes as ogres, is killed with no real effort by a custodes unarmoured. Even throws a rock through ones skull

also very cool thank you valedor bith of the imperium

then there's the six custodes vs a tyranid swarm but I'm choosing to ignore that

even if 4/6 die or something, but it's more that they put up a good fight against a swarmlord

[coral granite]

I mean the lore does say they were once human but being placed on an intense gravity planet their bodies had to evolve and withstand it through generations and were often forced to labor

So putting an ogryn in regular civilization is like an average human being placed in a preschool of chil

Children

But opposite when it comes to intelligence

[rocky gale]

One of the emperors gene alchemists suggests turning an orgyrn into a Custodes and instantly gets their head crushed

[coral granite]

Oh I believe there was a story of a female psyker orgryn

[vagrant fox]

yea it's in the Prophet of The Waaagh I believe

[celest dome]

Indeed

Cassia

[queen laurel]

yeah cassia though naturally occurring ogryn psychics are rare

[vagrant fox]

there's also this bit which I enjoyed

I would like to see more fleshed out ogryns, they're good fun

[coral granite]

Wait isn't that also the one navigator from rogue trader name too Cassia?

[queen laurel]

yeah

[celest dome]

Yes

[queen laurel]

just

[rocky gale]

Ogryns are more ignorant than lacking in intelligence.

[celest dome]

unrelated Cassia

[queen laurel]

Clarify which one are you talking about

they are both unrelated to each other

it just happened to have the same name

[rocky gale]

They regressed in learning on their worlds and the imperium likes to keep them that way rather than educating them

[queen laurel]

^
ogryns are basically Cavemen level in intelligence like you can teach them stuff and they will improve if you put in effort to

It's just that the imperium literally just wants them to be big dumb brutes

[crisp heath]

I like the interpretation that their brains evolved to deal with harsh survival situations so they are traditionally dumb but have good instincts

[coral granite]

What better way to make an army

[rocky gale]

If say the Ogryn were raised like regular people they would probably realise quite quickly that they don't have much reason to follow humans orders

[queen laurel]

Yeah ogryns that are smart tend to realize they are slaves and

The imperium doesn't like that

[crisp heath]

Ogryns dont always need to be loyal to be useful

The imperium sometimes grabs a bunch of feral ogryns and drops them on planets with lots of enemies

[queen laurel]

Yeah but it becomes an issue when they start rioting and breaking everything in their path to freedom

Feral ogryns can be useful because you can still herd them around

[dapper gyro]

Bully ogryn in Darktide is one of the smart ones.

He tries to distance himself by intimidation and gives comments to others to stay low to not get killed.

[celest dome]

Most Ogryns are used as slave labour forces

[remote wadi]

I would think ogryns are weaker than custodes

Mostly cause custodes have organs to keep stability

[queen laurel]

Custodes are better in other areas raw physical power they are not

[remote wadi]

Okie

[rocky gale]

Hmm

[shadow plover]

magos biologis

(dark mechanicum if we're lucky)

[rocky gale]

Too clean

For dark mechanicum

[queen laurel]

this is either mechanicus or Necromunda

[celest dome]

Necromunda ?

[queen laurel]

I mean yeah it could be like in there because honestly everything just works in there

[celest dome]

Fair

[raven stone]

The detail looks Munda

Guard or Ad Mech will not get Good Shit because Not Marines.

[shadow plover]

Do Rumour Engines include Necromunda?

[raven stone]

Magos Biologis for Munda most likely.

[queen laurel]

yes they do

[raven stone]

Maybe Heresy Era Ad Mech

[shadow plover]

can't recall any

[rocky gale]

Guard Enginseer perhaps?

[shadow plover]

the ash wastes vehicles were teased in Rumour Engine stuff

but can't say anything else has been

[celest dome]

Seem quite slim for an Enginseer

The syringe is strange

[queen laurel]

these for palamite enforcers

[shadow plover]

ah forgot about those

but I think those are the only models Necromunda has had teased besides the Ash Wastes stuff

[queen laurel]

Hey that doesn't dismiss the possibility of that being necromunda

[shadow plover]

true true

[celest dome]

Think they even had a 2nd RE teaser

[nocturne crest]

Engineseer?

[rocky gale]

Definitely

[queen laurel]

Okay yeah I see it

[rocky gale]

Same claw and syringe on top look

[celest dome]

Enginseer, ||but it's 30k ||

[shadow plover]

I hope so

[rocky gale]

Solar auxilia Enginseer

[hallow saddle]

100% chaos

it's exactly like the ornamentation on Bile's chirurgeon

[valid needle]

Who plays DA here?

I need advice on a list

[queen laurel]

Could also be an enginseer

We talked about it above currently this is the most likely candidate

[hallow saddle]

heretek one

ya but the details on the rumour engine have the spiky brass bits which the loyalist admech don't have

deffo a similar servo arm that's for sure

[spare osprey]

red corsairs 1000%

[hallow saddle]

but it's chaos for suuuure

[queen laurel]

it does look like it's low quality chaos crap they salvage yeah

it's way too thin for the average dendrite

[spare osprey]

Garreon the corpse master quote me on this

[hallow saddle]

man a chaos apothecary would be soooo good

I'm literally 100 sure it's chaos

doesn't look like an apothecary's servo arm tho

deffo is in the same style as the engineseer's arm, but chaos

[celest dome]

The syringe looking thing ?

[hallow saddle]

no around the joints of the arm

the detail is exactly the same as Bile's chirurgeon

[celest dome]

The hinge being a cog ?

[hallow saddle]

and yeah around like the top of the syringe

the brass spikey bits

[nocturne crest]

What are the chances it will be a red butcher?

[hallow saddle]

0

[nocturne crest]

Sorry, what are the world eater surgeons called again?

[spare osprey]

butcher surgeons

[hallow saddle]

could be

[spare osprey]

that'd be cool

[celest dome]

A WE Apothecary specifically would be strange to see, but could be

[hallow saddle]

doesn't look like an apothecarys arm tho

they don't have the big servo claw

[remote wadi]

Khorne doesnt like weakness

[nocturne crest]

Tbh, don't World Eaters surgeons just implant new nails into captured space marines.

[remote wadi]

That dude would need a Six pack minimum

[spare osprey]

nah it's something they do but they do a whole ton of other stuff too

[hallow saddle]

like an apothecary would have scalpel, saw, syringe, drill

that kind of stuff

[spare osprey]

like the WE are renowned for their apothecaries

[remote wadi]

But doenst khorne have a thing for wanting blood regardless where it comes from

[hallow saddle]

I need a chaos apothecary in my life tbf

[remote wadi]

Aka Ur healing is enduring

He could be chaos undivided tho

Or for the machine realm

[spare osprey]

it's less the healing they're known for, more the creating new organs and cheap space marines

[hallow saddle]

its not an apothecary for this one

[spare osprey]

so like every undivided warband wants one

[remote wadi]

Oh

Also does bile count as an apothecary

I mean he used to be one

[hallow saddle]

nah

not in game anyway

in lore yes, he's chief apothecary

[nocturne crest]

What if they're giving Bile his own subfaction again?

[hallow saddle]

not outside codex CSM

[nocturne crest]

Something like the The Consortium.

[hallow saddle]

he does have a detachment in CSM, Creations of Bile

[wintry cloud]

So..weird question.

Are primaris now taller than their chaos cousins? Or is it like the chaos juice buffs them up to make them height for height with their loyalist opponents?

[celest dome]

No CSM are still normal sized

[hallow saddle]

ya they're noticably taller, both in lore and in models

(primaris)

[wintry cloud]

Interesting

[hallow saddle]

but there are some primaris chaos marines now in lore

and they're tall

[wintry cloud]

Wait… seriously? Was it fabius?

[hallow saddle]

yeah

[wintry cloud]

Makes sense

The new EC line.. iirc they are still firstborn?

[hallow saddle]

I forget if it's in Lords of Excess or Genefatger

[wintry cloud]

I dont remember the marine equivalent names

[hallow saddle]

yeah they are

like id expect chaos primaris marines here and there but wouldn't expect like a full rollout of chaos primaris...but there is a plot thread there that's kind of unexplored

just a couple examples at the moment

[proven needle]

Not very experienced, but always happy to exchange views.

[valid needle]

What’s your opinion on this list

[proven needle]

It seems pretty character heavy. Who will lead what unit? Some more questions:

• Why normal termies and not knights?
• What's the purpose of the bladeguard squad?
• Why not a repulsor instead of gladiator lancer for extra transport?
• What will the Lion do?

[rose thorn]

Have a new peak reaction video

[shadow plover]

this got a lot of mileage in warhammer twitter the last couple days afaik

[rose thorn]

Ahh

[queen laurel]

hey very very fitting

[outer wave]

Does it have anything to do with the space king shit or is it entirely unrelated?

[shadow plover]

among other things I believe

[outer wave]

I see I see

[wintry cloud]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/rtcag66b/new-warhammer-quest-heroes-enhance/

Go vote fr

[queen laurel]

@rose thorn

[rose thorn]

I MNOW

AHAHAHAHHAHA

[wintry cloud]

Bro 😭

[rose thorn]

KURNOTH’S CHILDREN SHALL STRIKE AGAIN

AHAAHAHAHAH

[wintry cloud]

Why are they so locked in?

“Choose your character” screen

[rocky gale]

Renegade Saint here we go

[queen laurel]

Drolf Ironhead, The Grizzled Explorer for the win

[rocky gale]

Boo

[nocturne crest]

What if it's a dark mechanicus kill team?

[queen laurel]

that won't matter you know who will be the true winner of this list

It's gonna be Edmark Valoran, The Manticore Knight

[rocky gale]

Renegade Saint

[celest dome]

Tbh, I'm surprised that there isn't any Elf representation

[queen laurel]

Grizzled Explorer

[celest dome]

Also is it AoS or BF ?cause it would be the 1st time we see a Dwarf Ranger for AoS wouldn't it ?

[queen laurel]

AOS

[rose thorn]

I voted the duardin because I wanan see what cities duardin look like

[queen laurel]

same

[rose thorn]

My guess is necromunda

[rocky gale]

I'm firm on Enginseer now

[rose thorn]

Fair

[rocky gale]

But Renegade Saint

[wintry cloud]

Yeah he got
My vote
Most aura

[celest dome]

When was the current Enginseer model released ?

[queen laurel]

7th ed

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/merryn-trant-game-of-thrones-too-old-gif-9192598

[queen laurel]

so 2015

[arctic talon]

Munda, CSM, Dark mechanicum, and admech are all equally likely

[rocky gale]

Enginseer

[arctic talon]

If we count AoS 1e then there’s been some before

[arctic talon]

I’d be surprised but happy lol

[rocky gale]

Enginseer

[arctic talon]

The current enginseer isn’t bad

[rocky gale]

Enginseer

[arctic talon]

counter point

its thin like biles

[rocky gale]

Counterpoint

[arctic talon]

this bit especially

[rocky gale]

Nuh uh

[arctic talon]

if you say enginseer again

I'm gona cry smh

my head

[queen laurel]

honestly it looks too weak, runty and pathetic to be Mechanicus

Look at that thing I could probably snap it with my hands

[celest dome]

But it has a syringe, like the ones on the Enginseer

[vagrant fox]

There's that one technoarchaeologist model that has a skinny little servo-arm

[celest dome]

Doesn't the Servo arm on the Techno archaeologist seem as slim

[vagrant fox]

It's not so bulky

[queen laurel]

Yeah but that's like a basic configuration I'm pretty sure

i agree on the techno archaeologist point

[celest dome]

Are they on any other models though ?

[vagrant fox]

I dunno lets assume it's a techmarine though I'm pretty sure they don't have those

[queen laurel]

Not mechanicus but the tech marine does have a servo arm with that same drill and pincer combination

[arctic talon]

my thing is the joint

its a spikey joint

lol

[vagrant fox]

nevermind i'm boo boo the fool

I curse Billy, I curse him to no models they won't do it

[nocturne crest]

This guy has spikes on the body.

[cyan merlin]

Do assail shards NEED to be made of hatred? What happens if you focus fear, or sadness, or anxiety into a shard?

[celest dome]

They're closest analogue are Spiteshard

[arctic talon]

they do need to be made out of hatred

[celest dome]

So probably need some spite to summon them

[languid meadow]

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[queen laurel]

oh god

[celest dome]

We're ordering new pc for work

[cyan merlin]

Would probably have more if literally anyone cared about assail outside of Darktide

[arctic talon]

its not a thing outside of darktide in the form its in

aside from spite shards

[celest dome]

Cause ours are too old to really pass to W11, and the head office want to see us up to date

[arctic talon]

lol

[celest dome]

Lore Assail is just throwing random rubble

[arctic talon]

yeah

[cyan merlin]

Which is a shame because the way it is in-game is really fucking cool

[arctic talon]

you say this like caving someones skull in with rebar isn't cool

[outer wave]

At some point, Im gonna have to learn how to download Linux

[languid meadow]

I would learn Linux but the people who recommend it to me are annoying

[outer wave]

Ive never really been recommended linux by people, but I think I know the stereotype

[queen laurel]

Yeah honestly at this point I'm gonna have to do that too

just get the linux on my PC

[cyan merlin]

It IS cool, but I more mean what happens when you scale it up a few power levels
I keep saying I want an assail spear to throw at heretics
And just imagine what a more powerful psyker could do with the assail technique, the sheer carnage contained in this one idea

[celest dome]

I want some Telekine weapons, Sword as a melee, and Knives as ranged

[arctic talon]

I mean they'd b e spite shards lol

which are bad to use

in tabletop

its some stupid amount of coruption per cast lol

[cyan merlin]

Oh Jesus

[celest dome]

And you need an empiric limb iirc

[arctic talon]

They could be something similar in universe but not Spiteshards

idfk maybe they're force shards but those don't track in universe

but if they're spite shards using them would be problematic unless the user is a fullblown heretic lol

[cyan merlin]

Even then heretics have better uses for psykers

[arctic talon]

Tbf

[cyan merlin]

Like
Making daemonhosts

[arctic talon]

If you drink deep of the warp

its usually not a good thing

[celest dome]

DH don't really mean that the mortal was a Psyker

[cyan merlin]

Oh yeah I keep hearing about something called the deep warp theory
I’m going to assume it’s, kinda meaningless

[storm jungle]

it is yeah lol

[arctic talon]

deep warp lore is like

1 paragraph

in the 8e daemons codex

[storm jungle]

its the center of the Warp that is just entirely unknowable and is tied to Kairos Fateweaver's lore, we literally know nothing about it

[celest dome]

Deep Warp theory is outside of the Milky way no ?

[arctic talon]

no

its based on the Kairos lore

[storm jungle]

yeah its in the Warp

not outside the Milkyway

[celest dome]

I thought it was where you'd go if you tried to do a Warp jump outside of the MW

[storm jungle]

Nah that isnt a thing

if it was it'd be on the lexi

[rocky gale]

We need a Psyker power that holds and crushes

https://tenor.com/view/destroy-car-telekinesis-angry-telekinetic-chronicle-movie-gif-27471242

[arctic talon]

Thats a thing

[celest dome]

Crush

[arctic talon]

yeah

LOL

[celest dome]

[rocky gale]

I know

We need it in game you dingus

[celest dome]

Honestly Trauma 🤷

[cyan merlin]

Where psyker Ogryn subclass

[celest dome]

On Necromunda

[cyan merlin]

There IS at least one psyker Ogryn in lore

[queen laurel]

they are becoming more common but as characters

Yeah there is only one

cassia

[cyan merlin]

Don’t know how powerful she is
But
Neat that she exists

[celest dome]

Lower than a Primaris Psyker

Psyker wise, other than Telekines, I love to see Bolt Staff (But electrical), some telepathic stuff (Soul Killer+Terrify for example)

[proven needle]

Feel free to DM me. Easy to get lost in the chat here.

[wintry cloud]

Okay new question

Since arbites handle more serious threats (on a human scale still) there is definitely a case they go to a planet with some psykers (not alpha level of course, lower level psykers like maybe in darktide)

Do they have training to deal with some dude who can cast fireball?

[celest dome]

Yes, as Arbites also have to deal with the gathering of the Psykers for the Black Ships

[spring cairn]

goes hard

[daring creek]

Wondering why a ordo hereticus inquisitor is dealing with Xenos shit in Krieg

It's been a while since I read but I think its because the krieg are sus?

[slow quarry]

The Ordo Hereticus is not only checking for heretics at the enemy line but also for heretics within the imperium. Also the Ordo Hereticus can some sort of 'supervise' the other Ordos if there is some reason for concern.

[daring creek]

Hm

[slow quarry]

For example, an inquisitor of the ordo xenos who is some sort of a radical in his decisions might get on the radar of an ordo hereticus inquisitor to see if the ordo xenos unter this particular inquisitor is still in line with imperial doctrines

[lament shoal]

Inquisitors are trained to deal with stuff outside of their specialization

[rocky gale]

Yea they'll deal with a bunch of stuff before picking a specialisation and even then will be expected to deal with other situations when the need arises

[slow quarry]

this as well, but in terms of politics an Inquisitor of one Ordo will not mettle with another Inquisitor of another Ordo if its not necessary, so if there is some sort of circumstances that need to be dealt with, like radicals within a differet Ordo they will do.

Howsoever if an Inquisitor is specializing or not depends on their superior. Usually they start as Acolythes serving an Inquisitor, then becoming agents of the throne and then probably will be choosen to do their trial

[daring creek]

Do radicals over see orthodox inquisitors

[rocky gale]

Like an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor isn't going to put their hands up and say "Not my problem" if they come across a town with a Chaos Cult

[daring creek]

Makes sense

[celest dome]

Radical/Orthodox are ont he same level

[slow quarry]

No but they will try to see if they have an Ordo Hereticus within their Subsector-Network

[daring creek]

Maybe its the nukes.

[lament shoal]

In rogue trader, all of Inquisitor Heinrix's companion quests have to do with chaos despite him being ordo xenos as well lol

[daring creek]

Ven Bruin nearly got deleted by a door lock

[slow quarry]

Well actually nuking a planet is always the last resort to deal with anything. This is how you can get other ORdos on your heels because bombing and destroying a planed wich holds value is not tha standard procedure. Take Atoma for example: They could bomb the whole planet but the will endanger moebian steel production which is needed in the war

[daring creek]

Lol

Hm

Wait how is exterminatus carried out anyway? Isn't it ships blasting a planet?

[lament shoal]

Yeah people try to avoid exterminatus whenever possible

[daring creek]

Or can nukes do that on their own

[rocky gale]

Several different methods

[lament shoal]

It can vary

[slow quarry]

In the Books around the PnP Setting Dark Heresy which has mainly the Inquisition as primary topic there is a lot of stuff around Inquisition do's and don'ts and how it works within the Inquisiton

[rocky gale]

Meant to reply to this one

[daring creek]

Ah

Well

Damn.

[lament shoal]

Oh I didn't even notice lmao

[daring creek]

The clouds are tar black

[celest dome]

Glasing the planets, dropping some virus

[daring creek]

The rain is burning through armor

[lament shoal]

In rogue trader you can keep a planet from turning into a daemon world by bombing an electro priest monastery containing a huge motive force reactor, which causes a thermonuclear explosion that destroys the planet's atmosphere along with a large portion of the planet itself

[slow quarry]

If you have an infestation on an agricultural planet and you cannot cleanse in another way you might try to find something to kill without destroying the atmosphere to continue producing again with fresh colonists whilst on a tomb world you might consider just firing some lances to destroy the atmosphere because there is nothing of worth.

jeez typing is hard today -.-

[rocky gale]

Nukes, Cyclonic warheads, Virus bombs, atmospheric missiles and crust bursters etc

[slow quarry]

and much more possibilities

depending what you'd like to achieve

[median star]

it was kharibs first recommendation for atoma and tech priest arent always known for their humor so idk

[slow quarry]

This is the reason why the inquisition decides of there is an exterminatus or not and not some other factions who might not be completely in the picture with the planets current situation.

There is a possibility they did not know that Clandestium Gloriana is there in the first place and secondly still usable

even if the mechanicus has some sort of its own ''Intelligence Unit'' they have their own agenda

[celest dome]

There have been many cases of Inquisitor doing an exterminatus and wasting salvageable resources

And Exterminatus are way more dangerous for an Inquisitor now as there are organisations that will look into the use of it

[median star]

i think at this point kharib specifically might be more indentured to the brahms grandfather (grendyl probably) then they would be to the actual cult

[slow quarry]

That's what i've said before. The Inquisition holds power but behind the curtains there are politics in place and you don't want to wake sleeping dogs by pissing of somebody who holds more power (another Inquisitor f.e.)

[slow quarry]

Could also be, but people have their own agendas, this is what you hear in the Darktide-Dialogues all the time so they try to bring in their point of view no matter what. Kharib could know all, he could know nothing, he might fear some secrets that could be dig up or just calculated that a war on atoma is more costly than bombarding it. Brahms as a Rogue Trader is some sort of pinned by this 'request' from Grendyl, a Rogue Trader who cant do Rogue Trader things is sort of loosing control over his Routes and probably Planets or whatever their Dynasty achieved. So bombarding Atoma and part ways with the Inquisition would be better for Brahms.

So this could be the motive for Kharib to press a quick solution

Howsoever a Mechanicus abord a Rogue Trader Vessel can become a Magos Explorator and therefore achieve prestige within the Cult by finding STCs so this could be another reason for a quick solution on Atoma

[spring cairn]

@surreal nest @young pecan https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/8apsMEmp1f_EYGXFaaNbd0PpdswTfV0RrryNG81h0eM/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/G2Wecg1WYAAGciV.jpg%3Alarge?format=webp&width=660&height=713

ts tough

[median star]

we have 3 mechanicus characters hadron,kharib and kayex p sure kayex and hadron came w the inquestion cant remember tbo

hadron techno archeologist and kayex is the head enginseer if im remembering

[slow quarry]

Actually Kayex is in service of the Shipmistress. And as an Enginseer aboard he mainly will be in charge of the Engine and Powersupply of the Vessel. Brahms addresses him due to some power-problems

Hadron came with the Inquisition

[median star]

theirs also a biologis somewhere aswell i think

[rose thorn]

new york yuri

[slow quarry]

Yeah could be, a Rogue Trader Ship is usually some sort of one-pot for a lot of different people within the imperium due to the nature of Rogue Traders in general. Having passengers is not uncommon for such a ship. On a Firestorm-Class there can be around 24k people just as crewmates to maintain the ship

Dependent on the modules installed they can house much more people if necessary

And hence they usually tend to their Dynasties Trade Routes and Dynasty Properties as well as new Planets and Colonies if there is a opportunity to that they will have some travellers aboard.

[opaque coyote]

So I thought of different topics to explore with Slaanesh

Came up with a possessed person that's just

Really into Fashion

Like both the Daemon and person came together to make dresses, suits, etc.

Even if it's made out of the most exotic

Skin from Xenos

I realized that I have zero knowledge about fashion though

[slow quarry]

Do you build a character for black crusade or its just some sort of play around with ideas?

[opaque coyote]

Play around

Maybe draw

OC

[slow quarry]

Ah, nice

[opaque coyote]

Essentially

For fun

[young pecan]

Is that supposed to be Vindicta with her?

[opaque coyote]

I like Chaos cause of all the possibilities you can do

For design, motivations, etc.

[spring cairn]

yeag

[opaque coyote]

Issue is that I swear GW forgets that at times

[young pecan]

I haven't played either but Paradox looks neat

[spring cairn]

she's s tier

[slow quarry]

Chaos is interesting. I've been playing 40k Pen and Paper Roleplay for 20 Years now and you can come up with a lot of interesting ideas so a fashion driven slaanesh cultist would be funny

[arctic talon]

40k fashion is easier then modern fashion

lol

[opaque coyote]

Yeah, that's part of the characters motive.

Literally was so tired of making the same type of clothes

That she crashed out

"THIS IS THE 103TH OUTFIT IN BLACK!"

"THIS FUCKING HOUR."

[opaque coyote]

Tbf 40k fashion is varied

But usually Imperium fashion can be summarized as

"Gothic and/or something from the 1800s-1900s"

Exceptions exist ofc

But like

All the nobles look like mfs from 1800 england

Like bro not one noble decided

"Hmm maybe wearing 15 layers of clothing might be bad in this scalding 100 degree Fahrenheit weather"

[lament shoal]

What color is guard armor under the green?

[celest dome]

Under the flak ?

[lament shoal]

Yeah

Like the flak itself

The base color of the material before it's painted green

Asking because I'm putting battle damage on one of my kasrkin models which includes a chunk of armor that's been blown off the shoulder

[hallow saddle]

maybe a grey, either metallic or non

[celest dome]

Depend, Flak is afaik more of a composite and a class of elements

[hallow saddle]

then you could hit the edges with a bit of brighter metallic

[celest dome]

I'd say white-ish like shredded plastic

[lament shoal]

I think kasrkins wear carapace right?

[celest dome]

Indeed

[lament shoal]

Thx guys

[hallow saddle]

what does look nice is like a dark brown for the main battle damage

then hit the top edges with like a bone colour

it looks nice with the green

i'd look up a bunch of reference pics for battle damaged green armor (should be literally tons of them cause of tanks and shit)

thats a grey but still

[rocky gale]

See I know it's supposed to be battle damage, but I think that ends up looking like camouflage

[hallow saddle]

yeah haha

that is an absolute shitload of battle damage

[celest dome]

I know some that do a darker inside shade to represent scorching

[hallow saddle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w3z4_qB8d4 hell yes duncan

scale modellers really have the weathering and damage down tho, they know the pro techniques

[remote wadi]

Smh me just casually applying primary black and doing golden stripes

[daring creek]

Dude

Krieg is an awful book

Why does it need to have such a tired atmosphere as I am feeling so tired.

"Billions of Krieg people have died" Said the man who killed them all out of pure zeal.

"So that many times more people people can live good and faithful lives" - Greel, Archmagos

Like

Dude.

The planet is literally ruined, beyond repair.

And everyone is beyond depressed

No one talks