40k-lore-chat

[queen laurel]

hah great choice mate

[strong bison]

So bad, even a Slaanesh daemon prince wanted to hit that

[rose thorn]

KILL MEE I HAVE TO PICK A TYPE OF ENTOMOLOGY AAAA

IVE EBENT HINKING BAOUT IT FOR LIEK 3 HOURSS

[crystal forum]

insect

[rose thorn]

burn

colepterology or hemipterology

[celest dome]

"True Bugs" well I guess those would be those I have to pick

though contain beg bug 💀

[rocky gale]

New favourite Warhammer art

[queen laurel]

Which one studies Beetles

[rose thorn]

colepterology

i decided hemipterology because true bugs aer kinda sick

[queen laurel]

If you already decided why did you ask

[rocky gale]

First image I got for hemipterology was this and the lil guy looks rad, good choice

[queen laurel]

I will admit that guy does look pretty rad

[crystal forum]

i find all bugs disgusting

no offense

they do no evoke the same feelings i get when my cat looks at me with half closed eyes

[celest dome]

Don't worry, they also think you're disgusting

[crystal forum]

they think?

[queen laurel]

Of course they think they are sentient creatures

What did you think of bugs are just robots

Or something

[rocky gale]

I recently learned that the reason house spiders run at people isn't to attack them but because they have really bad eyesight and think we're a safe place for them to hide.

[storm jungle]

Reminds me of that fucking thing where those horrifying camel spiders also do the same thing to hide in your shadow

literally just kill me

[rose thorn]

Yes?????

This didn’t load did it

[queen laurel]

I just see just a sad poop yeah

[rose thorn]

Tree hopper

[queen laurel]

What type of sylvanath insect is this

[rose thorn]

Tree hopper

[iron mural]

Fellas I want to know something about the ASStartes specifically the black templars do they use vanguard units and heavy units?

[crystal forum]

are there scary bugs in turkey

i expect every warm region to have some version of a scary spider

[crystal forum]

and i don't see bugs being used in lab tests!!!

it's mice

who eat da bug

[rose thorn]

But, they are

[remote wadi]

I don't fear the bugs they don't fear me but my wife does so I shall crusade against them

[crystal forum]

maybe in your labs where you test stupid bug brains

bugs are so dumb that you can cut off their head and they still live

[crystal forum]

im ok with my house spiders

they don't bother me and i let them live

[remote wadi]

I end them all with spray

To be fair if they were taller they would prolly eat me

[valid needle]

Yes

[crystal forum]

not your fingers? you have to show your wife that you can crush her problems with your meaty fists man

be an ogryn

be happy

[remote wadi]

Nah I'm a Psyker

I make my enemies mad before I go mad

[storm jungle]

Probably.

[crystal forum]

weak answer!

[storm jungle]

🫡

[remote wadi]

Being Psyker isn't weakness it's the path to chaos godhood

Or demonhood

Or just explode

One of those

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-darktide-darktide-gif-3837205933150604742

[rose thorn]

AHAHA GOT ONE OF MY LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION BABYYYY

[outer wave]

Nice!

[small grail]

I have risen

i have graduated and am now in college

i painted and built my first mini fig as well

[storm jungle]

[small grail]

and i am now reading the rest of the horus heresy

https://tenor.com/view/piddel-piddel-meme-piddel-gaming-piddel-pain-pain-gif-26176777

shit hurts

[sacred bluff]

horus dies..

[small grail]

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

this is good

[storm jungle]

Why lol

on the other hand though you definitely deserve the suffering so nvm

[small grail]

why do i deserve

whyyyyyy

[storm jungle]

Reading too much HH

[small grail]

well at first i wanted see why everybody hate erebus and i thought horus heresy wud show

[vagrant fox]

They hate Erebus 'cause they ain't him

[rough coral]

Sloppert robert died

[young pecan]

Now this is the news I like to see

[dapper gyro]

Poor guy, lore chat was distracted. Yes they do, both light and heavy.

Especially in recent events, even them learnt that having a multitude of units benefits them.

[sacred bluff]

Erebus is fine

he knew more than Horus

[crystal forum]

lore chat wasn't distracted, we just dont give a shit about black templar lore

[small grail]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-doakes-squint-stare-suspicious-gif-14432154109786838518

i see...

[remote wadi]

Im a xeno main

The emperium lore is cool but my main enjoyment of it is the way they interact with xenos that can just anihalate humanity

[storm jungle]

Based as fuck

[unique bronze]

They seem fine so far

[storm jungle]

Also necrons moment

[remote wadi]

True eventho I love the tau

But the tau won't end anyone

[storm jungle]

Yeah its literally only Nids/Necrons lol

[remote wadi]

Honestly I'll argue the tau are the most human faction

[storm jungle]

Ehhh

I wouldnt really say so

they are more 1984

[remote wadi]

Humans are genetically alternated and optimized

Tau are kinda just a group of guys toghter to progress

For the greater good

[storm jungle]

I mean

[sacred ginkgo]

dark eldar are the most human

They're competitive narcists and sadists

[remote wadi]

Nah dark eldar quite literally feed of negative emotions

Negative emotions are killing our society

[storm jungle]

"Negative emotions"

mfer they literally flay people

lmao

[sacred ginkgo]

Thats a pretty negative emotion if you ask me

[remote wadi]

Hey sadism
Negative emotions feeding Same thing

[sacred ginkgo]

I'd feel pretty bad if I got flayed

[vagrant fox]

Tbf getting flayed would generate some negative emotions yea

Truly only the craftworlders are human

[remote wadi]

True

But they usually overshadowded

Thats why darktide is cool

[storm jungle]

Darktide is great because you get a full on hobo uprising

truly our goal we must try to achieve IRL 😔

[remote wadi]

look if i was born a magician i would pull that of

[vital ginkgo]

If the heresy succeeded what were the night lords planning on doing afterwards? Just being terrorist pirates or something?

[sacred ginkgo]

There is no "plan for the afterwards"

Its just find a new thing to fight

[unique bronze]

i'd liek to think they'd eventually turn on their allies lmao

[crystal forum]

i swear you're water caste or something

you talk often about how good tau are

suspicious

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/tau-symbol-warhammer40k-gif-15421376

[crystal forum]

night lords were one of the least cohesive chapters due to their primarch being an edgy drama kid

he would have ended up finding a reason to kill himself anyways and the chapter would have fragmented because they're mostly self absorbed pieces of shit

[storm jungle]

^

the best answer ironically

NL were always monsters lol

[remote wadi]

in tabletop yes
in darktide im a tzeetch cultist

[unique bronze]

like.. in a roleplay sense?

[sacred bluff]

NLs are monsters but from the parts that i read, they end up being cowards and scared when fighting someone stronger

[crystal forum]

in the trilogy?

[sacred bluff]

there was one part during the siege of terra i remember like that

[crystal forum]

they're always fighting stronger enemies post heresy

oh HH era

actually no

during the book they're mostly killing normal humans lmao

the trilogy i mean

[sacred bluff]

the adb one

[crystal forum]

the only post heresy books they have

omnibus

it's good

[sacred bluff]

otay i read eventually

[remote wadi]

hell yeah its a ttrpg

[unique bronze]

Darktide?

Like the video game or is there another tabletop called Darktide

[sacred bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/66FA8fTdzAw?feature=share

this made me laugh

[rose thorn]

welp time to day dream about my spyrehunter hunt master

[crystal forum]

you like killing homeless people

[rose thorn]

what flavor of sociopath rich person

should i do

https://tenor.com/view/the-matrix-keanu-reeves-carrie-ann-moss-neo-trinity-gif-4039760

[crystal forum]

spoiled insufferable rich kid

[rose thorn]

question was semi rhetorical

[crystal forum]

like the guy from clockwork orange

[rose thorn]

lmao

each member of a spyre hunting party is litearlly their own person

they dont raelly have a title for their copperation its great

i get to make the most insane people wiht no ocrrlation

[crystal forum]

yeah they're all there for their own thing

[rose thorn]

also their last name is all helmawr

[crystal forum]

i didn't even know they came in groups

must be just a tabletop thing

[rose thorn]

sometimes they do

but they all still fucking hate ach other

[crystal forum]

ofc

[rose thorn]

i shoudl start wiht the title

[crystal forum]

im just here for the vore

i mean lore

[stray thistle]

VORE!?!?

[rose thorn]

my bad that gif was annoyign as shit

[lament shoal]

Do other imperial factions have mag locks on their armor or is that just space marines

[crystal forum]

i've only seen it mentioned with space marines

it's more of a cope for how they can reload at all with no ammo bags on their armour

[lament shoal]

Ty

[dapper gyro]

You mean the mag stick to the armour?

SoB supposed to have it to, same with other human size power armour.

However, since the art and moulding gets better, they added pouches to the minis, so it is kind of valid, but obsolete fluff.

[unique bronze]

SoB?

[arctic talon]

Sisters of battle

[arctic talon]

SoB do it

[celest cedar]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1nummuk/made_this_after_hearing_new_voice_linesi_am_no/

[sour hornet]

Nah bro

Ain't no fucking way I just saw a nurgle daemon just bend over and shit on people

What the everliving fuck

That's actually unbelievable lmfao

[hollow spear]

The helly 💀

[sour hornet]

Bro a great unclean one just stopped, turned around, and violently shit diarrhea all over a bunch of people

[surreal nest]

That seems very believable

Nurgle be pooping!

[hollow spear]

WHAT IS HAPPENING IN YOUR GAME??? 😭😭😭

KILL THE UNCLEAN

[plush mason]

we all know the real reason is he is envious of the psykers' drip

[young pecan]

I don't know if you noticed but little Nurglings come out too

Assuming you're talking about TWH3

[surreal nest]

clips like this are what got me into finally trying out abrams

he is just the funniest character ever

[gleaming patrol]

Aeldari involved?

[sacred bluff]

but at least i'm human scum

[crystal forum]

another non nurgle plotline that will go nowhere

[surreal nest]

Its pretty much just world building it won't go anywhere obvs

[crystal forum]

everybody wishes it did

[young pecan]

Eldar most likely wouldn't make for a fun tide enemy anyway

[crystal forum]

not as an enemy

maybe as interactable characters

[surreal nest]

I think if I saw an Aeldari in darktide I would slug myself in the knee with a wrench

No beef with aeldari I just want any other xenos possible

[crystal forum]

i literally shit on somebody in general chat a day ago over how eldar wont happen

and how it cant happen

[surreal nest]

Nobody can convince me that kroot are not a possibility

[crystal forum]

i want eldar guns

[surreal nest]

Valid

[young pecan]

Idk much about Swagger but I liked the theory that he could be one until they put him on the Mourningstar

Now it doesn't make much sense for him given that's a huge risk for no reason

[dapper gyro]

Guardsmen rumour is less than a grain of salt.

[crystal forum]

we're supposed to be fucking inquisitor soldiers but we dont have anything exotic

on a rogue trader's ship

[crystal forum]

he doesnt look like one

also he doesnt talk like one

[young pecan]

They're supposed to be taller and thinner but I'm sure he can pretend a little

[young pecan]

True though

He does talk and act weirdly though

[crystal forum]

the only plotline any of us should care about is where mortis is going

since that's the only thing that will realistically be expanded on in the coming year

[sour hornet]

I would switch sides

[sour hornet]

Lame

[lament shoal]

Why aren't autoguns more widely used in the guard?

[sacred ginkgo]

Logistically inferior to lasguns

[dire loom]

Lmfao

[sacred ginkgo]

vastly less efficient to transport magazines compared to laspacks

[lament shoal]

Ik people have mentioned this before but I think gsc could work as a new faction to fight

[dire loom]

You'll find out soon™️

[lament shoal]

Ty

[dire loom]

If you like ballistic weaponry, I recommend just checking out bolters.

Auto guns don't do anything to Tyranids or most Xenos. If not all. It's only good against other regular humans.

Lasguns are more efficient too.

Autoguns are easy to make for low tech worlds in a pinch, but if lasguns were an option, it's preferred to use las weaponry.

[sacred ginkgo]

(ignore the BS difference)

[dire loom]

They need to update it.

Ancient

[sacred ginkgo]

idk I looked up 10 ed

I'm assuming it hasn't changed much

[dire loom]

1 point is still one point of a difference.

[sacred ginkgo]

Oh the BS difference

[dire loom]

That extra power that makes it decent enough. Peak

[sacred ginkgo]

Its because its chaos enforcers vs guard

[dire loom]

I think it's due to balancing though

If lasguns were lore accurate, you'd have a lot of angry space marines.

[lament shoal]

Gotcha, thx

[dapper gyro]

That's not really true though. It is a different tools for different scenarios.

Some of the guardsmen used autogun for exotic ammunition, where bolter is overkill.

[dire loom]

It's a part of the golden standard for the Imperial Guard strategy to use numbers with lasguns too. Their whole doctrine etc. Plus efficiency, rechargeable ammunition weapons is a logistical boon.

[dapper gyro]

In large scale deployment, lasgun logistic advantage is just better.

[lament shoal]

So an autogun would probably be better for small strike teams then?

Depending on who they're fighting

[dapper gyro]

Again it depends

The majority of the fights the guards participate in are vs other humans btw.

[lament shoal]

Yeah

Rebellions all over the place lol

[dire loom]

But it is, I'm not using an auto gun if a lasgun is an option. Even if we're talking about strike team size. If Bolter or Plasma or Melta is an option, I'd use those.

You could switch between those 3 given the situation, or having the right tools for the right job.

I'd say a Plasma gun, with bolt pistol and Melta with a power weapon or chain sword would be optimal with some krak grenades.

However I don't know how that would affect the logistics side of things if everyone had that etc.

[dapper gyro]

Bolter, melta and plasma are heavy and loud, low in ammo supply.

[dire loom]

Then again, that's what Space Marines already use plus the armor. So it would be more difficult for rebels or traitors that aren't Chaos Space Marines to get a hold of em.

That could be another reason.

Plus doctrines etceteras

[lament shoal]

Plasma guns are rare too. They're DAOT tech

[dapper gyro]

For a small strike team, if their objective doesn't have any heavy armoured target, then it is just deadweight.

[crystal forum]

they dont because it makes no sense tabletop wise

[dire loom]

Terrible

[crystal forum]

tabletop stats aren't lore sources

[dire loom]

That's why I quit table top for RTS Warhammer 40k.

Much better

[crystal forum]

but anyways i fully believe autoguns have the same hitting power as lasguns

autoguns fire very large rounds

[dapper gyro]

Oh, so you are one of those "because SM use those, it is absolutely better"...

[dire loom]

Lmfao I forgot about stub weapons, yeah the stubs are good IMHO.

[dire loom]

If you use em on regular normal humans.. yes.

[dapper gyro]

Bolter is not that different from autogun, just that smaller projectile is harder to put an extra jet component in. Otherwise, they are the same.

[dire loom]

That's why you see gangers, and rebels/chaos cultist use em.

[dapper gyro]

Autogun are just a sub class of stub weapons.

[crystal forum]

on all enemies. that makes no sense to say

[dire loom]

They're sol if Space Marines are called in though.

Or if they have to fight something that ain't a regular human.

[crystal forum]

lasguns are weak af to actual threats like autoguns

[lament shoal]

I mean if a good shot knows to aim for the gaps in their armor

[sacred ginkgo]

a space marine seeing a cultist with a homemade autogun and ignoring them (they have no idea its in .50)

[crystal forum]

darktide brainrot has people thinking the lasgun is a powerful 40k weapon

literally the bottom of the ladder

[dapper gyro]

No marines can really walk into a barrage of heavy stubber (which is just autogun full auto).

[dire loom]

I think most peaceful if not all peaceful Xenos where wiped out. So everything is crazy lethal whatever is still out there or they adapted etc.

Hmm, it would have to be tested somehow but honestly..

I think we could use Darktide as an example.

[sacred ginkgo]

Definitely not

Oneshotting an ogryn with knife is not a good example

[crystal forum]

lasgun is so weak that some regiments make it into a laslock just to actually kill things

as in shooting the entire magazine at once

[lament shoal]

Honestly I fell in love with the infantry autogun in this game after I mowed down a poxwalker horde by myself after my team left me behind lmao. Plus they look cool and the I also like the reload animation compared to the lasgun

[crystal forum]

autoguns are cool

you should like them

[dapper gyro]

Darktide is nice for models, that's it.

[dire loom]

A lot of good veterans use, recon las, plasma gun the rest is melee weapons. I mostly see power weapons and dueling sword.

The rest are memes or roleplay. If you got the skill or just like certain weapons. Use whatever you want. You do you.

[dapper gyro]

Gameplay is something else.

[crystal forum]

did you know most lasguns go full auto

[dire loom]

I prefer the bolt pistol and power falchion.

In-game

[crystal forum]

including the semi auto one in game

[sacred ginkgo]

Helbore is like plasma with ammo, Vraks IAG is actually fucking insane, Bolter is an effective DMR and excellent burst weapon

[crystal forum]

bolter is the only lore accurate one

[dire loom]

Huh?

[lament shoal]

Fucking space musket lmao

[crystal forum]

did you ready anything during the past 5 minutes

[dire loom]

Lasguns blow holes in yah though. Lol

[crystal forum]

vostroyans do it

[sacred ginkgo]

so do bullets

[dire loom]

One shot is all it takes to be microwaved.

[crystal forum]

you we just saying that it only makes a difference between autoguns and lasguns when shooting humans

that's also how powerful autoguns are

[dire loom]

Do you remember that conversation of "if u could get in between the gaps of a medieval knights armor" conversation?

[dapper gyro]

And funny enough, lasgun in lore usually has less penetrating power than stub/autogun.

[lament shoal]

I wasn't present for that one

[sacred ginkgo]

Because using pure energy to shoot things is hilariously inefficient

[dapper gyro]

Also, projectile weapons have expanded bullets, pretty much SAP, which make a boom without being noisy like bolters.

[lament shoal]

Do hollow points still exist in 40k

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

lasgun shots have mass

[sacred ginkgo]

Why wouldn't they

[dire loom]

It can be for those "if you can get between the knights armor weak spots bruh, trust" crowd

[dapper gyro]

Bolt weapons are also shitty for precision and teamkill machine.

[crystal forum]

anyways because this never gets stated enough, the real reason the guard uses lasguns is because it's their signature weapon just like bolters are space marine coded

when the imperial guard were first designed they got laser guns because it looks cool

[lament shoal]

A lot has changed between current day and 40k, lots of old human tech has been lost.

[dire loom]

Bolters are always a safe bet, goes without saying.

Very token

[crystal forum]

they have way higher tech than us

the only things lost from our period is cultural relics

[lament shoal]

Gotcha

[crystal forum]

they have our tech and much more

[dire loom]

Yeah, imagine running out of ammo. Your not carrying thousands of rounds like you do in-game.

[sacred ginkgo]

They're remarkably good at saving ways to kill people

[dire loom]

That's why lasguns are better.

Lasguns > Autoguns

[crystal forum]

cultists do it constantly

and genestealer cults

[sacred ginkgo]

Imagine getting spotted the second you fire because you announce your position with a giant red arrow

[surreal nest]

I've heard the opposite, lasguns in lore are brutal

[dire loom]

Plus where are you gonna get special ammunition from?

[crystal forum]

all ammunition is a common ammo for autoguns

dont think about that

[dire loom]

So what's the context?

[lament shoal]

This happens in ciaphas cain too lol

[crystal forum]

put a suppressor on it

firing a gun also reveals your position shocker

[lament shoal]

Yeah lol

[dapper gyro]

But your load doesn't get lighter, with all empty battery packs, you are still carrying the same weight as a fleshly deployed guardsman.

[dire loom]

Silencers don't actually make weapons silent though.

[sacred ginkgo]

well yeah because scifi nonsense

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah but not to the degree of a giant red arrow

[dire loom]

It just muffles it.

[dapper gyro]

In full load, auto or las all weight about the same.

[sacred ginkgo]

You forget we're in 40k

we have silencers that silence

[crystal forum]

im talking lasgun silencers

you mistake this conversation to be about a realistic setting

[dire loom]

You can recharge those things and you can have more shots compared to Autoguns. Plus you can customize lasguns too.

[crystal forum]

this is 40k

[surreal nest]

Yeah but lasguns can also recharge their packs and therefore wouldn't require as many compared to bullet magazines

[dire loom]

Hmm, do lasers make sound IRL?

[dapper gyro]

I'm talking about in combat.

You don't recharge every 1km you fight.

[crystal forum]

how do lasers have mass like lasguns do? how does a lasgun manage to contain enough energy to supply new york city? dont think about it too hard

[dire loom]

Minus the in-game ones. Lol

Yeah you got your trench monkeys carrying ammunition for everyone. But the context was "why aren't Autoguns used more?". Right @lament shoal ?

[lament shoal]

Yeah that was my original question

[dapper gyro]

Also, recharge using fire is a bad method, it takes a long time, could lead to malfunction and lethal discharge.

[crystal forum]

#40k-lore-chat message

[dire loom]

Imagine trying to reload in general when a tyrant is facing you down point blank range. Cooked either way.

[surreal nest]

Shocker, the most efficent method of infinite logistics for a brutal facist empire is dangerous

[lament shoal]

[dire loom]

Lasguns are better than autoguns, don't think about it too hard. Laser looks cooler.

[crystal forum]

they absolutely dont

[dapper gyro]

Reload and recharge are 2 different things.

[crystal forum]

i use autoguns in darktide

because they're way cooler

[dapper gyro]

Battery pack doesn't always have more shot than an autogunag anyhow.

[surreal nest]

The real reason is because lasguns are cheaper and autoguns are relics

[crystal forum]

this is all assumptions coming after the initial guard design

[dapper gyro]

You know, if that the case, then nothing matter. Not even a marine.

[crystal forum]

also mostly fan speculation

[dire loom]

And you were trying to say individual person or the whole Warhammer 40k in general or specifically Imperial Guard, traitor guard and rebel cultist? Like the main regular human fighting forces, correct?

[surreal nest]

How is it fan speculation that a gun that can regenerate its own ammo is more efficent than expendable ammo

[crystal forum]

this is 40k

[surreal nest]

You dont need a factory for making bullets anymore with lasguns

[crystal forum]

start talking instead about the ancient relic sword of mauug

used by space marine chadicus

[dire loom]

They just don't get it Sah.

[lament shoal]

Specifically the guard as a whole. Ik autoguns are common for PDF armies but not the guard

[surreal nest]

If it helps, cadian sgts can use autoguns on the tabletop

[crystal forum]

drum mag autogun

[dire loom]

Yeah, lasguns are the golden standard then. In that context.

[crystal forum]

and its stats are better than a lasgun

lol

[lament shoal]

Filled with hollow points

[surreal nest]

Compare the cultists autoguns to a lasgun not the statsheet of a sgt to a cadian

[crystal forum]

it's a drum mag autogun with fast fire rate. that's sometimes stated as an advantage of autoguns

[dire loom]

I was so thrown off though when people were defending Autoguns. I get it, it's a classic.. reminds you of the good ol 2025 days back on Holy Terra, but damn. Lol

[crystal forum]

they're literally identical

autogun and lasgun

[dire loom]

I have a friend who doesn't like any energy based weapons. They only like ballistics.

[crystal forum]

unless it got changed last i checked

[dire loom]

Hella funny

[crystal forum]

i only use bullets

because laser guns look gay

[surreal nest]

No the chaos autogun stat is the same as a cadian shocktroop laagun lol

[crystal forum]

that's what i said

[dire loom]

Warp bullets

[crystal forum]

normal autogun bullets

these are shitty cultists

[dapper gyro]

Not defending autogun, just correcting misconceptions about autogun.

[lament shoal]

Thousand sons type shit lol

[surreal nest]

Oh I thought you were arguing that the Sgt's autogun is stronger than cadian shock troops lasgun therefore every autogun stronger

[crystal forum]

the drum mag autogun is stronger yes

because like i said autoguns are sometimes stated as having fast rates compared to lasguns

and the drum mag autogun has a higher fast fire value

[surreal nest]

Yes

[dire loom]

Well you see, actually☝️🤓

[crystal forum]

it's aesthetics and based on rule of cool

nobody cares in the writing room

[dire loom]

But that's based on personal preferences, plus it's vague lore.

[lament shoal]

I bet if McDonald's was still around it would only be accessible on the upper spires of the hives lmao

Lower class peasants gotta eat their tasteless nutrient bars while the aristocrats have borgar

[dire loom]

There's a lot of vague broad lore when it comes to Warhammer 40k weapons. I wish things were more.. grounded or they would just let us know or not do anything that make us question some stuff.. retcons too.

Good ol GW

[crystal forum]

wrong setting

[languid meadow]

we don't do consistency here

that's the charm

[crystal forum]

this is a space marine game

every faction lives in the space marine's galaxy

[dire loom]

Space Marine has entered the chat

🗣️ Bolters

The Mobian 6th gunners make me jealous though.

The recon las is cool and all.. but man I wish I had more.

[crystal forum]

i want a heavy stubber too

but rather have a hotshot lasgun

[dapper gyro]

Meet the Moebian 6th plasma squad then die...

[dire loom]

Our Warband is truly peak now.

Survived squads of plasma gunners from a elite unit. Lmfao

[dire loom]

Yeah, some more stub weapons would be nice too. We only have the stub revolver if you don't count Ogryn. I have cool skin for my stub revolver.

[crystal forum]

nerds saying we couldn't defeat a CSM

[dire loom]

We totally can

I think we're getting Space Marines one way or the other somehow eventually into Darktide.

Some type of Marine

[sacred ginkgo]

Fatshark literally said they don't want to

[dire loom]

Probably a boss fight or something

[crystal forum]

fatshark also said no weapon modding

so they suck by default

[dire loom]

That doesn't mean much..

[dire loom]

I hope we get a feature to modify and customize our weapons further. Would be cool.

[crystal forum]

too call of duty for fatshark

that is their exact words

[dire loom]

CoD didn't start it though..

Poor excuse.

[crystal forum]

fatshark just didn't know how to make guns work when the game came out

so we're stuck with this shit now

[dire loom]

I hate how sometimes , some popular games ruin the gaming industry..

[hollow spear]

Same

Cod used to be fun

[dire loom]

Those damn battle Royales. I still have PTSD whenever I hear people talk about that. Especially if a dev that's making a cool game says something like that..

It's like no bro, don't do it! Just cook what you already got. You were so close..

Don't listen to the out of touch greedy corpos!

[crystal forum]

having a limited number of weapons with flashlights being "balance"

ah yes, fucking seeing, a great balancing factor

[dire loom]

Yeah, I wish my other weapons had a flashlight. Lol

I just like having it, as an option.

Especially if it's hella dark.

[crystal forum]

it's dumb af

and sights

being a balancing factor somehow

[dire loom]

Maybe one day

[tough haven]

Anyone here know the Leper from Darkest Dungeon?

[tough haven]

It does affect the performance of the weapon

[crystal forum]

terrible idea

[tough haven]

I agree

but technically

it does balance it, kinda

[tough haven]

Unrelated question

[unique bronze]

What about him?

[tough haven]

I've got a dnd character based on him, and I'm trying to come up with a conflict for him besides that he's dying

[sacred ginkgo]

Repentance for imagined wrongs

Always goes great with a time limit

[tough haven]

I was hoping to do something with the "I have miles to go before I can sleep" angle

He's always willing to take punishment in the party's stead as he's already kinda playing with the house's money

and he doesnt exactly feel pain anymore

or anything

seeing as his nerve endings dont function so good

[unique bronze]

Does your dnd char have the same backstory as the Leper?

[tough haven]

Similar

The story is mostly the same but the plague was a undead disease, turning his citizens into shambling corpses, but he was granted cognizance by the setting’s god of the dead, who was moved by his willingness to aid his subjects even while risking infection. But the “life” he has been given is but temporary

He still has all the symptoms of leprosy, he’s just also a literal dead man walking

His kingdom is now only populated by the undead

[unique bronze]

Nice narrative

Whats his goal tho, is he trying to save his people still

[cyan merlin]

Is it possible for a force sword to also be a power sword

Genuinely, not shitting you, asking for a friend

[celest dome]

Don't think so, it would be somewhat redundant.

Force weapons act the same as a Powered Power Sword

[cyan merlin]

They’re pretty different in Darktide, at least

[celest dome]

I guess if the Psyker has to face a Blank it could be useful, but at that point you're already pretty much dead

[cyan merlin]

Would depend on what kind of blank I think

[celest dome]

Any proper Blank in melee would be a big issue for a Psyker

[cyan merlin]

Wouldn’t make a difference for a mortal psyker though

[shadow plover]

what

[celest dome]

That is somewhat just Gameplay><Lore

Same thing as the Force Staves

[cyan merlin]

I was following up on my last message not replying to his

[celest dome]

There aren't Force Staves that have specialised ability/techniques

[cyan merlin]

Force staffs just help focus the psyker’s powers right?

Like a spellcasting focus?

[celest dome]

It help against strain

But they're not focus per se like how Staves work in BF

[shadow plover]

ah, though it might make a difference still. Some blanks aren't as 'potent' and a psyker might be able to handle the void they're causing just barely

though unlikely

[cyan merlin]

The point being if you’re fighting a blank 9/10 times that blank is some kind of specially trained agent and not some guy

[shadow plover]

true true

[celest dome]

A (normal) Psyker with a Force Sword would still have a Sword in hand

[shadow plover]

unless it's Jurgen

[celest dome]

If it was a Power Sword, at least it would still be a Power Sword

[cyan merlin]

So even if it isn’t practical is… There any implication that it isn’t possible?

Because I can kinda justify a reason in either direction

[celest dome]

There is nothing outright saying it can't exist.
Only War does say something along the lines of "Force Weapons can be any type of mundane melee weapons", which would set Power/Shock/Chain... weapons as not being possibly with Force stuff.

But those are for the weapons that are "common"

[shadow plover]

specifically making a sword that is both a power and a force sword seems like a redundant ordeal, it's like having a ball point pen that can also work as a pencil, sure you could probably make one but why would you

[cyan merlin]

I mean, if you really need to deal with those fringe situations where for some reason the warp doesn’t work

[celest dome]

Bic, 4 colours + pencil

[shadow plover]

yes and it's stupid!!

[cyan merlin]

Imagine the hell that battle would be
A planet full of both psykers and blanks

[shadow plover]

the psykers would just wither and die

[celest dome]

Ye, what good does a Power Sword do to you if you're just buckled over puking your guts while having the worst hangover

[cyan merlin]

I guess if you maybe needed to cut something open
Or if you’ve been overexerting your abilities and need to not rely on them for a while

But at that point you should just
Have another sword

[shadow plover]

pretty much

why does the witcher carry two swords when one silver sword would cut humans just as well? is he stupid?

[cyan merlin]

(Because it wouldn’t, silver sucks as a working metal)

But I mean it’s 40k
Redundant shit happens in real life too, 40k does it even more

Like that pen for example
You’re absolutely right there is NO REASON for it to exist
And yet it does

[shadow plover]

How I'd like to believe it would be done in 40k

would be that the sword would have two blades

[cyan merlin]

That is
Shockingly fitting

Now is it like, darth maul style, or side-by-side? Or does one side of the blade get to be power sword and the other side is force-blade?

[shadow plover]

side-by-side

[cyan merlin]

Imagine how heavy that sword would be

Looking at the designs for both power swords and force swords I don’t see anything mechanical that would prevent one blade from doing both functions

[arctic talon]

It’s a case of redundancy

Also cost

Force weapons need psycrystals and stuff

In them

Power swords need power nodes and other stuff in the hilt

[celest dome]

Yes, but a Force Sword is just as good as a normal sword is

[shadow plover]

do we even know how a power sword's power field interacts with a force swords force field

[arctic talon]

They clash

Though a force sword can more easily “flare” in energy intentionally and overwhelm some power fields

If the Psyker dumps more power in

[cyan merlin]

Yeah we’ve realized this
Friend of mine asked
Said friend also knows even less about the lore than I do

[celest dome]

So basically the Admech wouldn't really make those as a standard cause Force weapons aren't needed as much as the other techs, and Power weapons are quite expensive, so doubling the price of a Force weapons isn't really something that would be needed

[arctic talon]

Making the extremely expensive force weapon

Even more expensive

And also adding more weight

[cyan merlin]

Oh yeah the weight would be a problem
Especially if it needs a second blade

[crystal forum]

the clash of material on immaterial

probably a lot of cool looking sparks

[cyan merlin]

But you theoretically could
If for, some emperor-forsaken reason, you wanted to

[celest dome]

Wouldn't necessary mean 2 blades, just not having both field active at the same time

[cyan merlin]

Still adds weight in the hilt, since you now have a field generator AND the psyker-focus… things

[crystal forum]

chainswords are giant chainsaws and you're worrying about weight

[green loom]

Is the chain sword for a marine

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/abrams-deadlock-shirt-rip-gif-3345357112222755577

welcome to punch noire

my favourite genre

[storm jungle]

Actually not true

"truesilver" exists in 40k as well and works with the Witcher logic

so it is its own independant weapon

[near wasp]

Welp I've continued my madness that is vampire the masquerade, I had to make a new character because my game got completely bugged out and uninstalled my patch. Now I'm playing a malk

[vagrant fox]

malk supremacy #1 strongest clan

[storm jungle]

definitely a choice

[storm jungle]

I love how your character literally knows the entire plot from the start lol

its super funny when you do a replay

[vagrant fox]

It's very funny, it astounded me at the time after doing my first playthrough as a ventrue

[storm jungle]

Yeah its really great how contrasting Malk/Nos playthroughs are, both for faults and benefits

[shadow plover]

I said that's how I'd LIKE it to be

[storm jungle]

Your opinion is MEANINGLESS

https://tenor.com/view/plink-nerd-plank-plink-cat-cat-gif-17569403098672348326

[shadow plover]

Just like YOU

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[shadow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/ross-scott-accursed-farms-ross-shock-shocked-gif-17550953809959714335

[near wasp]

I was a tremere first playthrough.

I missed so much stuff in the first playthrough

Like I missed Heather and the thin blood who I sent on a suicide mission to la Croix

Quite funny to see he's burnt ass remains when I walked into venture tower

[vagrant fox]

I've yet to do a full tremere plauyhrough but they are disgusting mages

[storm jungle]

magic is cool

someone bloodsplode this man

[near wasp]

Magic is really cool

Unofficial patch makes temere slightly weaker though

[vagrant fox]

The mage ttrpg system doesn't even work

[rocky gale]

Guess it’s just 40K fans that still do

[rose thorn]

lmao

[storm jungle]

BRUH

[cyan merlin]

Apparently space marines can donate a tiny bit of their blood to mortals
Comes with a lot of consequences and it’s not nearly as effective as other mortal blood but it works

[paper haven]

Wouldn't the chemicals in Space marine blood kill you?

[daring creek]

Space marine blood must be premium...

[daring creek]

[cyan merlin]

Hence why they can only donate a small amount

[daring creek]

Probably

[paper haven]

Like, the laryman cells alone. It basically instantly coagulates.

[cyan merlin]

The receiving mortal will get sick for several days and, at least in the example case I found, become infertile, but they will survive

[daring creek]

Aren't marines built not to bleed out

[cyan merlin]

Oh yeah, those wounds seal quick

Also space marines have a secondary blood production organ

[daring creek]

Second heart you mean

Orrr

[cyan merlin]

Nono, an actual red cell factory

[daring creek]

Isn't the heart for blood circulation...yeah

[cyan merlin]

Hearts get the blood moving
This organ makes more blood

[paper haven]

Yeah, the differences between space marine blood and regular human blood are so staggering that I'm surprised there is any compatibility at all.

[storm jungle]

You can just call people humans

"mortals" what is this God of War

😭

[cyan merlin]

That’s what I’ve heard normal people referred to as ;-;

[storm jungle]

Yeah but like

space marines are mortals too though

MR SPACE MARINE GET DOWN

[cyan merlin]

Not enough necrons in this video

[paper haven]

Space marines call people mortals because they're dicks

The only biologically immortal people are Custodians

[storm jungle]

Very true

[paper haven]

And, apparently Thunder warriors if they can correct the mega cancer

I'm not sure Primarchs count as human

The Emperor also, I guess.
But not Space Marines. They can die of old age.

Are perpetuals still canon?

[cyan merlin]

Can they? I thought that was still undetermined

Even had that one… I think salamander? That was like 10,000 years old without being entombed in a dreadnought

[paper haven]

The Hrud proved it. They do suffer negatively from old age.

It takes a long ass time, but it does happen

[cyan merlin]

I was told the hrud weapons weren’t consistent in their own novel

[median star]

tbh that was them literally just kind of shoving geneseed into themselves and becoming dollar store astartes

[paper haven]

There are issues with the hrud, but Dantioch is the model for it. He's aged about a thousand years and it really messes him up.

Sigismund also shows his age when he fights Horus

[storm jungle]

They are pretty consistent

[paper haven]

Not Horus, Abaddon

[storm jungle]

they literally just rapidly age you

(unless you got plot armor)

[vagrant fox]

Dante was a pruney old boy before he slurped on a man nasty style

So arguably they seem to age once they get up to the thousands

[paper haven]

Still though.

[vagrant fox]

but there was that one grey knight who sat around for a few thousand years to seemingly no detrimental effects, but it was a grey knight

[paper haven]

Grey knights cheat

Psyer bs

[dapper gyro]

The dude is pretty much in a servitor state by the time they found him.

He can barely think, non functional as a being eon ago.

[cyan merlin]

I think the complaints were mostly in how the aging works or feels like to experience..?

[dapper gyro]

I don't count that as living.

[storm jungle]

And who were these complaints from I wonder

[vagrant fox]

Epimetheus is certainly a character, who else but Grey Knights can sit around for 10k years with no problems

[paper haven]

Was it Black Templar fans?

[cyan merlin]

I mean absurd levels of boredom will do that to anyone
Not to mention atrophy
Who knows how long they could last

[dapper gyro]

No, his body degraded, he can't even use his own body.

[cyan merlin]

Degraded
From sitting in a chair for 10,000 years

[paper haven]

Sounds like the ravages of time to me

[dapper gyro]

Living on life support from the ship.

[cyan merlin]

That part I didn’t know about

[daring creek]

Age progression

[dapper gyro]

For all intent and purpose, that Sally is dead.

[paper haven]

Old age beam.

[cyan merlin]

I cast: Old

[dapper gyro]

Even Dante of the BA is suffering from old age.

[paper haven]

Bit of a tengent but I heard a theory that the Hrud are actually humans? Did they ever settle that?

[dapper gyro]

Custode is not immune to it neither. They are just a lot more resistance.

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-age-aging-skeleton-gif-4981665

[paper haven]

My understanding is that all the Custodes were made by the emperor, so they're all at least ten thousand years old.

[cyan merlin]

Pfffhahahaha

…Does that mean they can’t make new custodes?

[dapper gyro]

Not all of them, a lot of them were lost in the wars, but they make new ones.

[cyan merlin]

Yeah I remember hearing about custodes trials

[dapper gyro]

Custodes tech is not "lost", they just don't make a lot of them.

They are only back to 10k custodes in M.38 or something more recent.

[daring creek]

Yes it is lost custodes shaped bulge in my neck

[paper haven]

Alright, so there are new ones being made. That's good. But still, some of them are still around from the heresy

Still functional, still doing custodes things

[daring creek]

Still cleaning toilets

[cyan merlin]

And allegedly in peak physical health
So peak in fact it is the pinnacle of how healthy anything derived from a human can be

[dapper gyro]

Many of them become eye of the big E, because... they got old... So they do occasionally need new blood into the line.

[cyan merlin]

Ogryn custodes when

[paper haven]

I think an Ogryn would just come out as a normal custodes

The process is very thurough.

[cyan merlin]

Assuming the process would WORK on an abhuman

[paper haven]

I do. The Emperor said that it is uniquely tailored to each subject.

That's why you can't mass produce them

[dapper gyro]

For marines though, average life span is about a thousand year without assist.

Exceptions are not average.

[paper haven]

He could be lying, but I don't know why he would be. He was talking to a Custodes about why he doesn't like getting them killed.

[cyan merlin]

I think the places I looked mostly chalked it up to astartes dying before they get the chance to die of old age
…Is getting old a good enough reason to get shoved in a dreadnought?

[dapper gyro]

In some old lore, they just cannibalize or send their older ones to death to make new Marines...

[paper haven]

Barbarians

[cyan merlin]

“What’s a barbarian?”
“Non-imperials” said the imperials while getting invaded by non-imperials

[dapper gyro]

For GK, I don't like them, and don't hate them enough to read their fluff.

So I don't know.

[storm jungle]

Custodes still get regularly made.

They take boys and girls offered by the Terran nobility in the thousands from a gate on the Palace on Terra.

it just takes awhile due to the gene-alchemical elements involved in it being painstaking

[cyan merlin]

Taken as children or are they already soldiers when they’re accepted to undergo the process

[storm jungle]

Literal infants.

Not even children.

[cyan merlin]

What happens if a custodes receives the genetic changes but fails the trials? Does failure inherently mean death?

[green loom]

Most likely yes

[storm jungle]

Likely. We dont know.

[cyan merlin]

I think it would be neat to have an army of failed custodes

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/read-gif-25879491

[cyan merlin]

Beat me to it

[green loom]

That's sorta what the eyes are

Though they aren't really failed

[green loom]

Generally no

But if you get old you'll probably get slow enough that you'll eventually run into something that puts you in a dreadnought anyway

[cyan merlin]

Wonder how much that applies to librarians and techmarines

[green loom]

Same amount pretty much

[dark moon]

Peak reference pal

[cyan merlin]

:)

[near wasp]

My favorite uncle

[rocky gale]

You really going to do uncle Phil like that?

[tough haven]

https://bsky.app/profile/kierongillen.bsky.social/post/3m253jcvs4c2x

Kieron Gillen (@kierongillen.bsky.social)

My mum dug out some old photographs.

This is the 28mm scale Warhammer 40k Gargant my brother and I made out of paper mache and kitchen refuse circa 1990.

You may not like it, but this is what ork performance looks like.

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Bluesky · Oct 1, 2025, 12:54 PM

[dapper gyro]

How can they be sure that their mother didn't grow his brother in the garden?

[surreal nest]

Yeah he is genuinely my new favorite and I was very hesitant on playing him

Him Seven and Ivy are probably my main roster for now

[near wasp]

Bel Air was before my time

[rocky gale]

Mine too, but that shits still rerunning on tv

It’s like friends

[near wasp]

I don't watch cable

[spring cairn]

you should try the blackhole terrorist

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/11275439951884658002/0DBC9E4E26694E9B75B908F999286DCB2BA26B8C/

[surreal nest]

i hate dynamo so much i will never

[spring cairn]

that was me before I played him

[surreal nest]

ok fair

im the only mf that knows how to build curse or silence wave against a refresher dynamo so im jaded

abrams makes people incredibly angry its so weird

[spring cairn]

maybe cuz his passive so strong rn

[surreal nest]

its a little bit much in laning lol you can take disastrous trades

feel like he would be miserable to play without it though tbf

[lament shoal]

What game is this

[queen laurel]

Deadlock it's a third person Moba

[lament shoal]

Ty

[static wren]

after playing a few matches, you will curse this very moment

(idk I had fun)

[lament shoal]

Legit starting to think the helldivers community is so much worse than the warhammer community when it comes to being apologists for an evil faction lol

Like I literally just saw a guy taking the fascist bugs joke seriously 😭

[surreal nest]

i think they are worse because they are more plentiful but warhammer takes the cake for the nazi outfit situation

[queen laurel]

@arctic talon you remember when I said this guy would fit very well in the wilds Biome where everything has oil and gunpowder

[raven stone]

Mourningstar Vox mentioned an Astropath character now

This alongside the Transmission mission

Makes me think GSC are coming to Darktide...

(For better or for worse)

[celest dome]

Are you able to explain how Astropath make you think of GSC

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/gogmazios-monster-hunter-monster-hunter-wilds-mh4u-dragon-gif-16310850631860558497

My GOAT

[queen laurel]

Honestly that biome might be a buffet for him

all the gunpowder and oil he needs

[rose thorn]

the new warbands are gonna be really fun

i dont think eithr of them are meta breaking

depending on decks

[storm jungle]

whats coming

[rose thorn]

the deer and the chuardin?

i dont think noob has leaked the two new ones yet

deer are definetly a charge warband, you spam stagger with bow lady and then slaughter with the other two

alot of pushign too for eenmies and yourself so you can really fuck up thier posistioning

chaos duardin is

uh

[sacred bluff]

Im kinda of ready for the scouring

[rose thorn]

they can easily be oneshot but if you give ethem a bit of space and time they are hard ot kill

[surreal nest]

Bro google just gave me a clickbait AI generated push notification

We are actually in hell

[remote wadi]

Wait why didn't no one told me primarchs were actually on porpose made to turn on eachother and kill eachother

[rose thorn]

[arctic talon]

They’re not

[celest dome]

The only one I would argue that they kind of were are Russ and Magnus

[remote wadi]

Apparently theres an old edition source about how the empire was made for humans not the proto humans and primarchs were supposed to die after the crusade

[celest dome]

No ?

Thunder Warrior were culled

[arctic talon]

The imperium was designed for normal humans yeah

[celest dome]

SM probably would have been on the chopping block

[arctic talon]

But the emperor wasn’t going to purge the primarchs

[celest dome]

Primarch it is difficult to say

[arctic talon]

The space marines were to be replaced/let die out

[celest dome]

Custodes 100% no

[arctic talon]

He was absolutely going to kill some of the primarchs

lol

Like Angron, curze, corax, khan

[remote wadi]

I mean it would make sense the emperor would want to end them I mean we know what corvus turned into was a thing any primarch could be

[arctic talon]

Corax is just a Psyker

He didn’t turn into anything

He was able to awaken to his psychic powers

[remote wadi]

The custodes are from the emperor's own seed aren't they?

[rocky gale]

There's a line Malcador says about the Heresy being part of the Emperors plan and that the Primarchs were supposed to rebel so they could be culled etc, but it's pretty implied that he's lieing to soothe the worries of a dieing friend

[arctic talon]

No

Custodes are not like marines or primarchs

[celest dome]

There is no Geneseed for Custodes

[rocky gale]

No Geneseed for Custodes, they got Gene alchemy instead

[arctic talon]

They’re completely genetically rewritten from the ground up via gene alchemy

[remote wadi]

Oh ok then it would make sense to keep them

[glossy sonnet]

Malcador isnt really someone who always speaks the truth

[remote wadi]

Since they are technically human

[arctic talon]

They shove a baby in a blender basically/j

[lament shoal]

That's the grey knights

[remote wadi]

Thanks

I just started to look more into the actual empirum recently

[celest dome]

GK aren't from a geneseed of the Emperor

[arctic talon]

The GK think it is

lol

[remote wadi]

Im a xenos main who was more aware of chaos then the empire itself

[arctic talon]

As for if it actually is we’ll never know

Imo

[rocky gale]

Yea Grey Knights having Emperors Geneseed is just a theory

[arctic talon]

I’ve always thought of gene alchemy as reducing the infant into a slurry of stuff and then rebuilding the baby to specification

lol

[arctic talon]

Not even all grey knights think it’s true which is fun

[remote wadi]

Honestly I think they prolly have a mix of multiple primarchs not the emperor geneseed that's my theory

Since they keep making more and emperor geneseed would be a limited resource

[lament shoal]

Yes they are. This is on the lexicanum. At the very least it is heavily implied

[remote wadi]

But if they did wouldn't they be truly immune to chaos

Like the star child

Cause grey knights arent immune to it they just disciplined to avoid it

[celest dome]

That is if the SC and the Emperor are the same thing

And if you think of it, all SM are derived from the Emperor, as the Primarch are derived in part from his gene sequence

[remote wadi]

Yes but they are 1/20 of the emperor

At the very best

Considering how genetics works they are prolly more like 1/400 of the emperor tho especially knowing geneseed isnt perfectly made

The primarchs maybe the 1/20

[rose thorn]

oh yeah orruk tober

[lament shoal]

Spooky month

[lament shoal]

How romantic

[remote wadi]

Cute

[proper wren]

Somebody motivate me to finish writing my lesbian Warhammer fanfics. I've got so many parity done fics

[rose thorn]

I wonder how well spyre hunters would do in the wider galaxy

[proper wren]

I can't tell what emotion this is meant to convey I'm going to err on the side of caution and just go

[celest dome]

Spyrer are expensive, and work pretty much only if you're in a high verticality and labyrinthic setting I'd say

[arctic talon]

Open battlefield they’d be cooked

[queen laurel]

hey it's rat ogre poe

[celest dome]

So they would be quite good, but mostly in set fights

[arctic talon]

They need urban environments to work best

[daring creek]

Damn. Uhhh Try your best and put on music in the background. Might help. I like brown noise personally.

[celest dome]

Adding to that there are Spirer that head to the Ash Waste

[proper wren]

Hi, I'm procrastinating

Anyone know a good place for Warhammer fantasy lore questions?

[queen laurel]

this place has you covered in basically every warhammer setting

Age of sigmar fantasy 40K you name it

[sour hornet]

You are so based

I need my toxic battle sister x inquisitor doomed yuri

[sour hornet]

Not really

Well

[arctic talon]

I mean comparatively to their ideal condition yeah

[sour hornet]

Not any more than any other power armored unit

[arctic talon]

Is more so my point

[sour hornet]

Ok

[arctic talon]

Their main advantage is lost imo

[sour hornet]

That's fair

[arctic talon]

Which is a giant fucking death machine descending upon ye

[celest dome]

They're not that heavily armoured tbf

[sour hornet]

real

[proper wren]

Working on Loner Psyker x Arbites toxic yuri currently

[sour hornet]

They're moderately armored, which makes them heavily armored compared to basically everyone else that isnt rocking suits of carapace

[arctic talon]

But yeah the big benefit of spryre suits is the mobility and firepower

The protection is great, but it’s not the primary concern of the suit

[proper wren]

Anyone know anything about Grand Cathay? Specifically anything about elixirs of immortality? I know Chinese mythology and history are full of them but has there been any referenced or mentioned in books or games?

[arctic talon]

There’s elixirs of immortality that don’t work in Cathay yes

Warpstone is uh

A material used somwtimes

There’s an elixir of immortality that works in age of sigmar it turns you into a vampire or ghoul

[sour hornet]

Oh so you like TOXIC toxic

[queen laurel]

Garth Ennis room emmesh

[sour hornet]

Aren't spyrers just seraphim with less aura though

[arctic talon]

They’re 4+ armor

Tabletop wise

[proper wren]

Plot idea I'm working off is an alchemist trying to make one that works. Are there any specific examples or just generic elixirs? Wanted to get a little autistic with the fic

[arctic talon]

So carapace range

[arctic talon]

There’s not any specific ones I can think of

But the “best” ones use warpstone

[proper wren]

Gonna have to brainstorm up a few others and some scam snake oil ones too

Thanks

[arctic talon]

TLDR spryre armor is basically very very very very very very very high quality carapace protection eise

Capable of self repair and evolution

[celest dome]

Think we could see Patriarch and Matriarch pattern Spyrer

[sour hornet]

Wdym

[sour hornet]

Bruh

[arctic talon]

Though some spryre armor is flak level

Like the winged ones

[sour hornet]

That's basically a fucking super suit

[arctic talon]

They all have integrated refractor fields

As well

[sour hornet]

The fuck you talking about "cooked"

[proper wren]

If I can ever force my ADHD to cooperate I'll ping you when it's done

[arctic talon]

Because they die to a fucking krak missile and multi melta

lol

[sour hornet]

Yeah? So do fucking Sororitas

[arctic talon]

My Orlock juve with a fucking krak grenade

[sour hornet]

💀

[arctic talon]

Can kill one

Ultimately they’re not as disciplined as an actual soldier either

lol

The spryres main thing is firepower and terror

[sour hornet]

Jurgen with a normal melta (not a multi) literally mogs chaos marines

[celest dome]

But their armour is more rare

[arctic talon]

The armor is more rare, expensive and hard to use

[celest dome]

And more difficult to produce

[arctic talon]

It’s literally for rich kids to hunt people

[arctic talon]

No problem, have fun

[sour hornet]

Yeah, but use them in squads headhunting and they'd literally clean house

[celest dome]

It wouldn't be sustainable for regular battles

[arctic talon]

If used in a proper role yeah

But the necromundan spiders don’t use them beyond some very few officers

[sour hornet]

Elite was like, "yeah, they'd be cooked" then proceeded to describe Iron Man's nanosuit

[arctic talon]

lol

I forgot which one of the suits

But it’s really immobile

It’s the big clawed one

[celest dome]

Oryx

[arctic talon]

Yeah

That thing is more of an ambush unit tbh

Thing can’t move well at all

But it’s got a lot of fucking stuff lol

[arctic talon]

The shit also can glitch out or malfunction when evolving I would like to mention

lol

The evolution part is very much to keep the attention of whatever young noble because it’s more so “unlocking” existing systems

[celest dome]

Yeld (Flying) is not armoured enough to just fly in a open field (would get shot)
Orrus (sorry, tanky one) are slow and tanky, but they're relatively limited in fire power lorewise, they're not really able to reload well
Jakara (shield), honestly that one as a backline assassin could probably do a lot of work
Malcadon (Spider one) only really useful if used as ambushes

Patriarch would be arguably the best all rounder

Great ranged, great armour, good melee

Matriarch are stealth speed units, so very glass cannon

And them being expensive mean that you aren't able to field as many of them as you could just have specialized Guardsmen

Like between having a company of Elysian Drop Troops (Yeld), Bullgryn (Orrus), Crusaders (Jakara), Death Cult Assassin (Malcadon)... or the Spyrer, I think you'd get more bang for your bucks

[spring cairn]

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[rose thorn]

OOO WER ETLAKIGN ABOUTE THE SPYREHUNTERS

[golden imp]

Are sisters of silence trained in fighting marines too or just human pysker opponents and demons? I’d imagine they’d just have their big golden best friend deal with that part but they have to keep up with custodes so idk

I guess they’d get training on fighting eldar too

[arctic talon]

They’re trained in fighting everything

Post reintegration

[proven needle]

You can see one fighting a lictor in the Tithes show.

[arctic talon]

It’s multiple Von Ryan’s iirc

[dapper gyro]

It is like a gun carrier vehicle. All power and mobility, protection is after thought.

[surreal nest]

Were you trying to share an abrams clip and got scammed

[nocturne crest]

So odd question, but how intelligent are the flayed ones?

[pulsar stump]

Mercury & Arsenic in the form of a sweetened drink.

[storm jungle]

They have some cognitive functions but its very George Romero zombies-like

aka they can sometimes stare and wonder things like creeps or remember old "occupations" before getting back to killing you

they also sometimes take joy in the acts they do as per Twice Dead King

but its less active sadism and more again being creepy about it lol

largely though they are basically just mindless packs of flesh zombies

they can even be lured using bloodswarm scarabs lol

[pulsar stump]

They're fully cognisant and completely insane because they're in a state of Psychosis due to their minds failing to come to terms with the fact that they're made of metal and not flesh, resulting in phantom everything ranging from Phantom Hunger to the desire to feel the warmth of skin-to-skin contact with another being, which can't be done as they no longer have nerve endings.

It's a scuffed existence, basically the Anti-Admech.

[tough haven]

And sometimes they react to music

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[tough haven]

Their minds were shoved into metal bodies with no new instincts built for them

[pulsar stump]

Yep.

This is why Warriors have 90% of their free will stripped away.

[tough haven]

So most necrons find obsessions to keep the intense dysphoria at bay

[sour hornet]

—Recorded conversation between a Great Unclean One and another daemon of Nurgle, M42

[sacred ginkgo]

Real shit

[sour hornet]

Type shit

Sometime I remember I'm not an aeldari corsair with unimaginable riches and 3000 bad bitches on aeldari tinder and I get so angry i start shaking

[storm jungle]

If you're curious the author knowingly based it on body dysmorphia

so its very much intentional in a lot of ways lol

(especially with the genderbending transcron in there too)

[sour hornet]

That would be rad

Wait

[sacred ginkgo]

It'd be weird if they didn't

[storm jungle]

No like, it is.