40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

They made him less ugly

for the painting

(in universe)

[strong bison]

His son is prettier

[rose thorn]

I was about to say

[arctic talon]

he's got a lot of sons

and daughters

[storm jungle]

One of my favs is where helmawr congradulates people on increased gang violence 😩

[arctic talon]

man has fucked a lot

[lament shoal]

What a nice and reasonable looking young man

[rose thorn]

The artist was probably hung after painting this tbf

[arctic talon]

LOL

[strong bison]

I know one of them is a model in the game

[arctic talon]

nah this was approved by him

[daring creek]

Is this a joke

[strong bison]

He was even in that video game

[arctic talon]

and is the only approved painting to be shown of him

[arctic talon]

its a joke

[storm jungle]

No its real.

[arctic talon]

Dilara

smh

stub toe

[daring creek]

I'm being lied to

[strong bison]

she slaying with this fit

[arctic talon]

my favorite overfunded jackboots

[daring creek]

Its a joke prolly

[lament shoal]

Guys we should send all the imperium apologists to munda and see if they still think daddy emperor is the good guy

[arctic talon]

The Palatine Enforcers

lol

[rose thorn]

WOW, I bet in universe this painting is full of Easter eggs

[daring creek]

Ninjas

[storm jungle]

no

[rose thorn]

“Oh yeah wearing a ring on your thumb in ganger culture means you grew up with a silver spoon”

[arctic talon]

I do also love how the Haunts are called "psyrenders" and "BONECRUSHERS"

lol

[strong bison]

Enforcer gear does have that good blend of riot gear and futuristic scifi gear

[lament shoal]

Didn't they recently drop enforcer armor like this in dt

[rose thorn]

This was before she went fucking insane tbf

[storm jungle]

Awhile back yeah

[arctic talon]

The darktide enforcer armor is a bit different

[rose thorn]

Even more insane*

[arctic talon]

but yeah

The helmets are identical

but the rest of the armor is different

[storm jungle]

was gonna say lmao

she murdered like

[arctic talon]

which I appreciate

[storm jungle]

half her fucking siblings

[arctic talon]

Look

[storm jungle]

after Bidenmawr went into a coma

[arctic talon]

those were legitmate siblings

If we count Helmawr's illigitmate kids

[rose thorn]

And that’s at her best

[arctic talon]

thats only like

[storm jungle]

total girlboss

[arctic talon]

an a quarter of them at most

[lament shoal]

Oh btw any of you guys going to LVO this week in vegas?

[arctic talon]

nah

I'll be watching it tho

lol

[strong bison]

Then you got Kal

[rose thorn]

OH I SHOULD READ SPYREHUNTER LORE

[lament shoal]

My gf got us both tickets

[arctic talon]

Kal's illegitimate

but he's great lol

tons of fun

[arctic talon]

the Subjugators go crazy lol

[rose thorn]

Wasn’t he given a number of how far up the throne he is now?

[dapper gyro]

Munda is a cesspool, anything can happen.

[rose thorn]

He’s in like the triple digits now

[arctic talon]

Yep

LOL

which he does not want

[storm jungle]

Yeah and

EVEN STILL

SHE SENT PEOPLE TO KILL HIM

[rose thorn]

HAHAAHAHAHA

[storm jungle]

he handled it but like bruh

[storm jungle]

Its in the same book

[arctic talon]

the funniest shit

[storm jungle]

it slike a small fic entry

like 1 page

its great

[arctic talon]

is he's an illegitmate son

so like

[rose thorn]

It’s been a while since I read it

[arctic talon]

SHE REALLY hates him

LOL

[storm jungle]

^

AND

This was actually the plot of an old book

Lasgun Wedding

[rose thorn]

Ah my bad

[storm jungle]

where hes forced to marry

[arctic talon]

He's probably the most popular illegitmate son of Helmawr

[rose thorn]

It must have been mentioned in the Jewish book

[lament shoal]

Still probably ain't as bad as Birmingham though

[storm jungle]

Kal literally fucking steps up

and says

I DO NOT WANT TO BE GOVERNOR

YOU DONT HAVE TO KILL ME

ILL GIVE THE SPOT TO YOU

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

And his siblings ar elike

nah

we are killing you

[arctic talon]

The Companions having disintegrators is fucking hilarious

they're even shittier then the 30k era ones

btw

LOL

the get hot even easier

and don't always do a clean kill

10/10

[rose thorn]

And they are wearing winter coats

[storm jungle]

lmao they included that in the book?

[arctic talon]

Glory to Helmawr

[storm jungle]

thats fucking hilarious

[arctic talon]

its to explain how you can have gangers wounded by shots

[storm jungle]

imagine being half-disinteraged and fucking screaming for someone to kill you 💀

[arctic talon]

LOL

[rose thorn]

Holy shit spyrehunters are awesome

[arctic talon]

rather then disintegrated

sometimes it just

[storm jungle]

NAHHH

[arctic talon]

peels off half your skin

or

rends most of your limbs

LOL

[storm jungle]

bruh

💀

[arctic talon]

But hey

[storm jungle]

Thats fucking terrible lmao

[arctic talon]

sometimes it does a clean kill

Its so fucking awful lol

[storm jungle]

thats like being shot by a gauss gun

[arctic talon]

one of the companions even comments about needing to do

[storm jungle]

but it only removes like your entire layer of skin

then stops

[arctic talon]

"multiple shots"

[storm jungle]

lmao

[arctic talon]

to stop the screaming

lol

[storm jungle]

YEET

but man

i gotta read the new rulebook

wish it came out in PDF already

[arctic talon]

I hope the disintegrators

show up as black market options

[rose thorn]

I didn’t realize spyrehunters were EVEN RICHER and EVEN MORE PSYCHOTIC elitists

[arctic talon]

LOL

[rose thorn]

I wonder how spyrehunter gangs are organized in lore

[storm jungle]

my honest reaction

[rose thorn]

Are they related, friends, or have some organization system

[storm jungle]

Basically like safari hunts

aka

rich cunt

hires help

that kind of thing

OR

if its another noble teamup

its just anything you just said

[rose thorn]

I thoguht they were rich treasure hunters

[storm jungle]

tons of excuses

Nah like it can be anything

you can excuse both why they hunt together with other spyrers

or with "lowly" gangers

its explained in the Hive Secundus book

[strong bison]

reminds me of the Wraithbone Phoenix

[storm jungle]

has like 2 pages dedicated to explaining the logic behind it

[strong bison]

One lady was just a psycho you hire to get stuff for you

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah that bitch

i remember her lol

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[rose thorn]

they recuirt by CAUSING ISSUES LMAO

[storm jungle]

"Join my party or I will fucking melt you."

[strong bison]

She's decked out in augments and a pain whip

[rose thorn]

As a Spyre Hunting Party gang moves through the underhive, word of their presence and deeds spreads until all know there is a predator in their midst. As the Hunt's presence is felt more and more, other Spyrers operating in the area either move elsewhere where they will not be overshadowed, or occasionally join the Hunt.

This is represented during Necromunda campaigns by the Terror Level

[strong bison]

Pressganging pretty much

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/speech-increased-skyrim-speech-increased-gif-2269900435204416235

[rose thorn]

to recruit people you have to bully and abuse the lower class

to get other rich assholes ot join

[storm jungle]

god

[lament shoal]

Is hired gun any good lol

[storm jungle]

i fucking LOVE necromunda

[storm jungle]

fuck no

lmao

i 100%'d it

its a dogshit game

do not get it

[lament shoal]

Lmfao

[rose thorn]

yeah its baddd

[storm jungle]

barely even explores necromunda too

[strong bison]

Eh, it's alright. Not the BEST but it was a good play if you enjoy shooting gangers

[arctic talon]

hired gun is

[storm jungle]

so not even worth it for that either

[arctic talon]

awful

but its like

kinda funny

its like a 5/10

I did beat the game though

[rose thorn]

its liek the worst parts of borderlands 2

[unique bronze]

Werent they the same ones that made Space Hulk

[storm jungle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735819155608961044/822595549453877248/kalgar_ambul.gif

[strong bison]

Yeah, mid is a good description of it

[arctic talon]

god I love how one of them is pulling out a fucking stub pistol

like

"you're not even worth using the disintegrator on"

[storm jungle]

its like how you can have a bolter in darktide

but you decide to beat someone to death with a stick instead

lmao

"Too fast."

[strong bison]

I assume the distintgrator costs 400,000 credits to fire the gun for twelve seconds

[arctic talon]

Nah it just has a

[lament shoal]

"Its machine spirit thinks you're yucky."

[arctic talon]

33% chance

to fucking burn you

[strong bison]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-tf2memes-tf2heavy-heavy-weapons-guy-meet-the-heavy-gif-24983567

[arctic talon]

and even if it hits it might not do a clean kill

LOL

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah wolf since i assume you read the book

[rose thorn]

god nwo i want a spyrehunter gang

[arctic talon]

also btw I know the companion rules

from an older version

[storm jungle]

is the entire excuse of how they got disint guns is like

[arctic talon]

they might have made them less

gambly

[storm jungle]

"Helmawr is just rich"

[arctic talon]

Helmawar is rich as fuck and has some purchased on comission from the mechanicus

and also

some are from before

[strong bison]

I assume Necromunda just has a fuck ton of Archeotech

[storm jungle]

Based as fuck.

[arctic talon]

Munda got conquered by the Imperium

So

its a mix

the higher ranking companions

get the nicer stuff

[storm jungle]

Tons.

[storm jungle]

Gotcha

[rose thorn]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[arctic talon]

if you're a new companion

[storm jungle]

i really love how they explain all this stuff

[arctic talon]

you get some random fucking disintegrator

[strong bison]

Yeah, the groups got battle suits

[arctic talon]

they found in a storage room

but yeah this is the old

iteration of their stuff

[strong bison]

They would be so helpful for the Guard

[arctic talon]

but seeing as literally nothing has changed seemingly

I'd take it as canon still

[rose thorn]

which one to kitbash your leader out of though?

[arctic talon]

the new book doesn't go into how Helmawar sources his shit

besides "he's fucking rich and munda is old"

[storm jungle]

Too good of a gear to waste on useless soldiers

[rose thorn]

you porbbaly buy the malcadon box first?

[strong bison]

Tempestus Scions then

[storm jungle]

Tbh thats kinda my other favorite thing. I think it was Ian who said it where you can very much use Munda as a basis and 101 on how you can make you own hiveworld or planet as diverse.

and I really agree with that stance

[arctic talon]

which does mean that

[storm jungle]

especially with lore like this

[arctic talon]

the mechanicus can make disintegrators still

LOL

[storm jungle]

Yep!

[arctic talon]

Which is really fucking funny

[storm jungle]

so much for those Horus Heresy fucktards saying you cant lol

[arctic talon]

They're obviously not the best(seemingly)

but uh

They can still make them

[storm jungle]

also as ever great showcase of the ultimate rule

if you got the influence

[rose thorn]

OOOOOH YIKES oe of hte consequences of spyrehunters is they are liek 3 times more likely to die whent ehy get knocked out

[storm jungle]

and money

you can get shit

[rose thorn]

as in

thier suit fucking explodes

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

Yep

LOL

[storm jungle]

fucking

GREEN GOBLIN ASS

"God speed Goliath."

[arctic talon]

Spryrehunters are goofy

fucking weird ass team

lol

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-donald-kimball-godspeed-gif-14910616

[rose thorn]

AAHAHAHAH \

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-oh-green-goblin-no-way-home-gif-24172438

literally

[rose thorn]

AHAAAHHAH THEY COUNT THIER KILLS

LIKE IN THEIR RULES

[strong bison]

Mechanicus put their disintegrators onto spider tanks

[rose thorn]

THEIR LPAY STYLE LITERALLY IS MURDER AS MANY POOR POEPLE AS POSSIBLE

[arctic talon]

That’s an eradication Beamer

Not a disintegrator

Though the end result is the same

lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah disintegrator came back to lore like just a few weeks ago lol

and they are instantly in munda, based as fuck

[rose thorn]

also shout out to my third game of necormunda where 3 of my gangers died and my leader died in the smae fight

[arctic talon]

They were in munda before the heresy minis

No mini tho

[rose thorn]

liek DIED DIED

[storm jungle]

Yeah but

those are caveman times

[arctic talon]

During covid?

Dang

[storm jungle]

yep

[strong bison]

Last time they put out a marine model with a disintegrator was the anniversery one with the combi bolter

[arctic talon]

Anyways the expanded nomad and enforcer rules are great

[strong bison]

then they dropped the saturns

[arctic talon]

Good job necromunda team

God speed

May the foul 3 year cycle never infect munda

Unironically necromunda has almost my favorite iteration of 40K combat rules

lol

There’s only one thing I’d change

[lament shoal]

Do space marine homeworlds still gotta pay the tithe

[arctic talon]

And that’s the melee system

[rose thorn]

OH

[arctic talon]

No but some still do anyways

[rose thorn]

THE SPYREHUNTERS DONT USE MONEY

LMAO

[lament shoal]

Gotcha ty

[dapper gyro]

I just wish that the Necromunda shooter game was a better.

[strong bison]

If they're large enough to support a tithe

[rose thorn]

LIKE EVER

[dapper gyro]

That game is kind of trash.

[strong bison]

Lot of chapters use feral worlds

Can't ask a cave man to pay taxes

[arctic talon]

They’re too rich

lol

If they got to spend cash

They’d be able to do some dumb shit

[strong bison]

And the guys who made Deathwing also made Hired Gun, which was fun for a time

[crystal forum]

why does every character hate sire melk

wtf did he do

[green loom]

Well the issue is

He's far down the list

But he's a rare competent dude

So his place in the list gets very irrelevant very quickly if he wants to bother lol

[strong bison]

He's just a little uptight for a band of rejects

[crystal forum]

he's nice though

[strong bison]

He calls you an idiot a LOT

[crystal forum]

when??

i never heard him call me that

[green loom]

That depends on personality tbh

And iirc they tuned it down too

[strong bison]

I did pick the rough Ogryn

[young pecan]

Every interaction he calls you an idiot but in a pedantic way

[crystal forum]

that's probably because we are

[strong bison]

Ambition. Authority. Adaptability. You lack all three I'll warrant.

[young pecan]

When you open his shop "I am a lodestone for blockheads today"

[strong bison]

I am a loadstone for blockheads today.

[crystal forum]

the interactions between him and hallowette are so annoying

like am i supposed to root for the one who keeps shitting on melk

i hate that premium store woman

she's so annoying

[strong bison]

"A little air, please. I have no desire to share your enviable aroma." He calls you STINKY

[young pecan]

Yeah because Hallowette smuggles us cool cosmetics sometimes

[green loom]

I mean we are

At least

Some are

[young pecan]

I'm sure by trust level 30 we can shower whenever we like

[strong bison]

Doesn't the Morningstar have shared showers?

[green loom]

I know the zealots refuse to shower

Wait no, I'm mixing up vermintide lines s

[crystal forum]

yeah and she's so annoyingly smug

[green loom]

Saltzpyre doesn't shower

[strong bison]

Ogryns probably dont know how to shower...

[arctic talon]

Hallowette is hilarious

Saltzpyre likely bathes

but does not shower

is my bet lol

[frosty wind]

noble asshole

[arctic talon]

or other way around

[green loom]

No he doesn't bathe

[arctic talon]

💀

[crystal forum]

he's not even an asshole mostly

hadron is way more of an asshole

[arctic talon]

Melk is egotistical and a social climber

which everyone dislikes

[strong bison]

Vermintide is in medival times, at most you take a bath every few months

[arctic talon]

even more

[green loom]

He's actually taken aback because Kruber regularly showers

[arctic talon]

hallowette is upfront about what she is

[frosty wind]

hadron is a tech priest, she is actually useful

[strong bison]

Kruber is boujie since he's a merc captain

[arctic talon]

a bitch, rich and obessesed with money ultimately loyal to Brahms lol

[crystal forum]

sire melk does logistics or some shit

[arctic talon]

Melk does spying/logistics

he also is a social climber

[crystal forum]

hadron isn't even the most important admech in the ship

[strong bison]

who even gave him the title of Sire?

Is it Sire his name?

[arctic talon]

we dunno

No

sire is his title

[frosty wind]

man arbites would love to arrest melk lmao

[strong bison]

Arbities would probably arrest the Rogue Trader

[arctic talon]

Sire Darius Melk the Fourteenth, Lord of the Quartervast, Holder of the Endless March, Warden of the Crux Mortem, Thrice Decorated for Bravery by Lord Dolmar Martialis, and scion of House Straxamus

[green loom]

No he probably yoinked it someplace to get more legitimacy as a "refined" "noble"

[crystal forum]

they could try. prob wont work

[green loom]

Since doesn't Brahms call him a lowborn upstart or something

[strong bison]

She probably has experience running from the Law, or flashing her Warrant a lot

[frosty wind]

they are busy pissing contest with inqusition

[green loom]

She'd just shoot them

[arctic talon]

Brahms can just make them dissapear lol

[crystal forum]

she also has an inquisitor on her side

who has an army of rejects

[frosty wind]

Warrant of Trade means nothing against the lex

[crystal forum]

im talking hard power here

[frosty wind]

arbites can arrest inquisitors too

Ah yeah

[green loom]

The Arbites would respect the Warrant doe is the thing

Kinda their whole schtick

[frosty wind]

If you are not guilty

[crystal forum]

arbites do whatever tf they want usually

[arctic talon]

Brahms isn't guilty of anything

lol

yet

[green loom]

Well yeah there's a giant piece of paper that says "I can do what I want" on it and it's legally sound

[crystal forum]

but like everything in 40k it's all about how many guns you have

[strong bison]

Arbites are space FBI, the Administratum calls them up to deal with shit

[arctic talon]

Trying to arrest brahms

on her own ship

will end poorly

is everyones point

[frosty wind]

eh, not much if you did some serious crime shit.

[crystal forum]

and it would just hurt the war on tertium

[green loom]

Also have we gotten a video on the new mortis trials voice lines

[frosty wind]

arbites had enough power to override inqusition on atome

[green loom]

Yeah but by virtue of having the warrant it's probably just outright not a crime

[strong bison]

Is the Commodor a rogue trader? I forgot

[frosty wind]

Nope, her second hand

like abelard

[green loom]

She's the quartermaster for Brahms, the rogue trader

[strong bison]

Abelard is my main man

[young pecan]

Arbites could be biding their time and planting people within the warband to be able to take over once the war is over/decided but that's just an uneducated guess

[strong bison]

Give him a heavy sword and he slaps daemons around

[green loom]

Not their job

They really don't care lel

[strong bison]

Cant forget the Mobians are with the warbans as well since the Commissar showed up

[crystal forum]

the 21st were with us from the beginning

[strong bison]

Yeah, but scary hat lady wants us to do more

[crystal forum]

she arrived with the 50 somthing

[green loom]

53rd, I think

[crystal forum]

another regiment

there's like 100 moebian regiments named in the game

it's very gay

[strong bison]

each planet has like 300 regiments

depending on how old they are

[crystal forum]

only 1 usually per planet

there's just a lot of planets in the sector

[strong bison]

I'm waiting for them to let us go to the second hive city

[unique bronze]

whats the second one called

[crystal forum]

im waiting for us to know wtf a mortis operative does

[frosty wind]

not their job, they don't care

also, there are very few arbıstrator

few thousand for a hive city

[crystal forum]

that's a lot

[frosty wind]

not if hive city has 100 billion

[crystal forum]

each arbites is pretty strong

[strong bison]

Wyrmwood agents are an independent recon unit?

Arbites usually work alongside enforcers to deal with planet riots if they affect the tithe

[crystal forum]

where is that stated

[strong bison]

too big and the PDF help

[crystal forum]

enforcers dont give a shit about imperial law

[young pecan]

Brahms is doing very sus things
That is definitely well within the boundaries of their job if they feel like it

And the Arbites are not happy with Brahms as it stands

[strong bison]

Enforcers are the local cops, it sorta depends on the planet on how good they are at their jobs

[frosty wind]

they dont happy with everyone

[crystal forum]

when arbites are involved in the main affairs of a planet then things are already bad

[young pecan]

Yes and they especially don't happy with the warband

[strong bison]

The warband is made up of mostly convicts from a broken prison ship

[frosty wind]

arbites are strong, but one inquisitor literally killed dozens on terra

not that much it seems, lmao

[crystal forum]

arbites arent space marines of course

[young pecan]

40k writing syndrome

[strong bison]

Inquisitors often have plot armor. Until they dont

[crystal forum]

and they dont have any plot armor at all

so they often die

[young pecan]

One lone Arbites could kill dozens of inquisitors if he's named

[crystal forum]

but usually in books you'll see them when things are very shitty

like vraks

[strong bison]

Grey Knight book had an inquisitor lady who was important until she went crazy reading a book

[young pecan]

Equipment and situation matters too

[crystal forum]

if it's the one in eisenhorn yeah

fishig

[young pecan]

I forgot he was an Arby

Poor Fischig

[crystal forum]

their precincts are made to weather the complete collapse of a planet. they're fortresses in their own right

arbites just delay the fall of planet long enough for imperial forces to arrive

that's their whole job

people talk about the tithe way too much

that's just a small facet of their job

[strong bison]

kind of everyone's job to stop the baddies until help arrives

Even the local citizens with guns can fight a xenos

[crystal forum]

arbites are the ones on the planet who wont be swayed by chaos or xenos

local citizens will just fall to chaos

like in vraks

arbites on vraks managed to seal lots of arsenals before they were killed

arbites are expected to die fighting

[strong bison]

I think those with enough ministorum guys can cause problems to invaders

[young pecan]

They also carry out operations of their own volition but also true

[crystal forum]

this is said like every time they're mentioned in rule books from what i can tell

it's like a core tennet of their role in the imperium

[strong bison]

Congregations do often work alongside Sisters

[crystal forum]

ofc that's part of their job

[frosty wind]

not much of them to defend the planet tho

[crystal forum]

sabotaging a planet while it's falling

[strong bison]

Technically the zealot is our ministorum rep

[crystal forum]

like i said, on vraks the arbites closed off a lot of weapons depots before being killed

that prevented the cultists from gaining access to them

[sacred ginkgo]

None of the zealots are official, its Hestia

[strong bison]

Speaking of Vraks, how do you send a vindicare assassins to kill a guy WITHOUT the rounds that penetrate force fields?

[crystal forum]

he had them

he just didnt expect his personal shield

[strong bison]

For an assassin, he was terribly misinformed on the target

[crystal forum]

the round went through a concrete pillar before hitting the guy btw

it was a turbo penetrator

[crystal forum]

yeah he sucked lol

[strong bison]

didnt know that part

[crystal forum]

but that's part of the story

the fact that the imperium caused the whole mess

[strong bison]

It was sort of his own fault, he got hyped up on his own juice

[crystal forum]

vraks reads like everything going ok and then progressively getting worse

[strong bison]

It's why the administratum watches the church

[arctic talon]

it was bros first mission or something

[crystal forum]

it's great

[arctic talon]

[crystal forum]

vraks is a great campaign because it keeps having shit happening out of nowhere

always a surprise every time

[strong bison]

The Korps fuck up a charge so bad the enemy takes their trenches

then alpha legion shows up

[crystal forum]

the funny thing is vraks was so fucked at the start because of a very dumb general

[strong bison]

A LOT of imperial generals are dumb

[crystal forum]

nah but he was very dumb

like some noble who was appointed

the guy who replaced him was way better

and then the inquisitor

[strong bison]

A lot of imperial officers are bloodline jobs, so if you have a good dad you'll be high up

The dude didn't even get fired, he just got moved somewhere else. He wasn't even on planet to direct the war

He worked from home

[crystal forum]

i love imperial incompetence

[strong bison]

Reading Warboss, you just have the orks beating the guard thoroughly

[crystal forum]

that's because they aren't fighting steel legion or valhallans

then again those pussy steel legion guys needed space marines for help

[strong bison]

Hey, Steel Legion had to deal with 3 planet invasions. Technically going through a 4th

[crystal forum]

valhallans had to change their entire culture because of orks

best regiment

[strong bison]

also ICE

They're best when hanging out with Caine

https://tenor.com/view/tales-of-heresy-comissar-смоллет-комиссар-kldpro-gif-7228841141789359004

[cyan merlin]

Where Ogryn

[strong bison]

Jurgen smells like one

[rose thorn]

ugh cant find a pdf of the book fo desolation anywhere

[pulsar stump]

Cain fights like one.

[crystal forum]

nah i hate how they're depicted in the cain books

especially art wise

[rose thorn]

I just wanna find spyre hunter gang lore to see examples

[sour hornet]

Nah, that guy wasnt that bad

The situation was just that bad

Really? The High Lords wanted Vraks — a planet that is not only a massive military manufactorum, but essentially a planet-sized subterranean bunker — taken in like 7 years?

Utter nonsense.

[dapper gyro]

Cadian are pussies, they got help for the Marines and still lost their planet.

[sour hornet]

Like, the General wasn't a genius, but he just applied normal siege tactics.

[sour hornet]

Please censor c*dian in my presence

[dapper gyro]

I will try, but no promise.

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/speechless-no-words-i-dont-know-what-to-say-biting-tongue-dont-want-to-say-it-gif-16985510

[strong bison]

The Administratum also runs their wars through a giant cogitator, so it spat out the time frame if it was done by the books

[cyan merlin]

Man
I really want to like admech
But I really don’t

[celest dome]

What about Mechanicum (30k)

[cyan merlin]

Don’t know much about them, actually

If it’s any different to modern mechanicus

[celest dome]

More centred around the robots, less Skitarii, more Tech Priest battle line

[shadow plover]

thallax my beloved

[cyan merlin]

Ooooo

[unique bronze]

makes me kinda excited for dawn of war 4 since they showed a mechanicum army/faction

[celest dome]

just admech, the 30k stuff isn't seen

[arctic talon]

It’s 40K era stuff

Even though the 30k stuff is around

lol

[arctic talon]

For the tabletop armies it’s almost entirely the priest hood, their servitors, thralls and battle automata.

There’s no skitarii in heresy(despite constant mentions in lore)

[cyan merlin]

Friend of mine really wants to play a skittari summoner-style class in Darktide

[shadow plover]

the cooler daniel

[arctic talon]

Literally everything in that image is in 40K lore wise

💀

The only stuff not used in that image in 40K is the automata

I am in the fucking torment nexus

I can’t make a lore accurate army in either system

Fucks sake GW

[shadow plover]

even Vorax?

the bug guys

But I do somewhat like that there is a clear aesthetical difference between 30k and 40k mechanicus

[arctic talon]

Yeah vorax are around. Though they’re only used on forgeworld with a tight leash unless shit hits the fan.

It’s annoying because they all exist alongside each other and people who don’t know the faction don’t understand the mechanicus/mechanicum is absurdly broad and diverse in aesthetic

Like

I would like to remind you

fucking stilt boy is from the pre heresy era

Stilt boy was there at the Martian civil war

[sour hornet]

It makes sense on a macro scale, but sucks on the ground level

[winged jacinth]

stilt boy hasnt even stopped walking since then

thats one of my favorite bits, the location of the on button for ironstriders being lost knowledge

[arctic talon]

Nah stilt boy isn’t an ironstrider

Same group though

[strong bison]

its like the extendo legs from Wolfenstien

[dusky beacon]

I wish T'au had more than one really good book

[median star]

i wish we could turn them into burgers

[shadow plover]

Fire Caste is very good though it's not mainly a Tau book, mostly guard but there are Tau characters

[dusky beacon]

Hey it's better than nothing

Main think i hear about Phil Kelly is that he's just straight up not a very good writer, like he dosent trust the readers to understand anything without explicitly stating it

[sour hornet]

Bro

What is up with black orcs

okay, I dont like how that question sounded

[queen laurel]

They are orcs and warhammer fantasy made to be slaves but they rebelled yeah don't question that part

[dusky beacon]

Chaos Dwarves wanted stronger, more capable slaves, accidentally make them too strong and too capable

[queen laurel]

They wanted better and stronger slaves they forgot they got better and stronger slaves

and so they broke out and now they are just a thing in the world

[sour hornet]

Hey, good news, we succeeded in making better and stronger orks — bad news is: we made stronger and better orks.

[queen laurel]

yeah that part didn't cross on their mind unfortunately

[queen laurel]

Just for the sake of your mental health just ignore the fact that the slave orcs are called black orcs

[unique bronze]

is it really

[dusky beacon]

Actually i never thought about that what the fuck gw

[queen laurel]

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Orc

[unique bronze]

well they dont look like slaves on this one

[queen laurel]

They rebelled

[unique bronze]

i lowkey expected just smaller orcs that they can bully hence them being slaves

[queen laurel]

Because you see the chaos dwarves saw normal orcs and that's not enough and so they made better bigger, smarter and stronger orcs

[queen laurel]

but unfortunately they made better bigger, smarter and stronger orcs

Black orcs tend to be bigger smarter than your average orc

They also have a darker shade of green as a skin

also their armor is very much just black

they're also killjoys. and literally get only excitement at fighting

when they are not fighting they spend their times repairing their weapons and actually training

[arctic talon]

Chaos dwarfs wanted better Orc slaves. They made stronger, smarter and tougher Orcs. The Black Orcs rebelled and broke free

[unique bronze]

did they just expect them to be naturally obedient even after making them stronger or was it just an oversight

[queen laurel]

They expected them to be just to be used as slaves yeah but you know

They are just so egotistical they forgot the part of you know they made better and stronger slaves

[unique bronze]

probably got humbled then when they just up and revolted lmao

[celest dome]

Hubris

Common in the chaos side

[queen laurel]

yep

[unique bronze]

I don't really know much about AoS if im being honest whats the whole point of chaos in Sigmar, is it the same in 40k where theyre just trying to corrupt everything

[queen laurel]

yeah that's just what the chaos gods want

also warhammer fantasy is different from AOS

[queen laurel]

black orcs are not the thing in warhammer fantasy

[unique bronze]

Oh, I thought warhammer fantasy just meant AoS also, how are they different

[queen laurel]

fantasy was first before AOS and was much more grounded in aesthetic

Magic chaos and stuff are a thing

[unique bronze]

but like plot wise are they also different

[queen laurel]

But for example your prime hero factions in warhammer fantasy is the empire

[unique bronze]

liek is it another universe of its own

[queen laurel]

It's literally just the same as any warhammer setting put multiple factions in a place and make them brawl

Warhammer fantasy is one world AOS multiple realms

[unique bronze]

Oh, I see

[arctic talon]

Chaos in AoS is much more organized and unified if that makes sense. They still infight but they want to conquer the Realms in chaos(or their specific gods) name

As a whole

[queen laurel]

AOS map versus warhammer fantasy map

[unique bronze]

dear lawd

[arctic talon]

Archeon wants to fucking destroy all of reality(again) and kill the chaos gods

But he’s like

Unlikely to achieve that goal

[unique bronze]

I think I like everything just happen in one world when it comes to something fantasy like

makes it a bit more simplistic for me

[arctic talon]

It’s best to think of AoS as having having 9 planets

lol

Well 8 realistically

[unique bronze]

Kinda sounds like a norse mythology if its like that

[queen laurel]

Again aesthetics are much more grounded in warhammer fantasy like this is the empire and this is their age of sigmar equivalent the cities of sigmar

[arctic talon]

https://preview.redd.it/cities-of-sigmar-cover-art-turned-mini-v0-gg738nj2loy81.jpg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=184b42b7ca6f5b7f4d0ab9c50278153f9488594d

[unique bronze]

does the planets just converge on one another then, like how did they know there were other worlds out there

[arctic talon]

They have giant portals known as realm gates

[queen laurel]

multiple realms are a well known knowledge

yeah also giant portalsYeah also giant portals

[unique bronze]

is the one on the right the wh fantasy

[arctic talon]

The one on the left

[queen laurel]

the one on the left

[unique bronze]

uh okie

[queen laurel]

The one on the right is the cities of sigmar and the one wolf posted

[arctic talon]

The whfb styled armor still exists in AoS

Funnily enough

Though it got a high fantasy

Overhaul lol

[unique bronze]

so the other factions in aos are also in wh fantasy

but its just one big world

[arctic talon]

Sorta

[queen laurel]

here's another one here's a much more grounded armor of a black orc versus to their counterpart which is basically funnily enough the basic infantry of a faction the ard boy

[arctic talon]

The AoS factions are much more

extreme/high fantasy

They’re an evolution

[queen laurel]

yeah they are an evolution

[arctic talon]

Only chaos

Got a 1 to 1 translation

[unique bronze]

i never thought yellow would look good on an ork ngl

[queen laurel]

Stays relatively the same

[arctic talon]

For chaos warriors specifically

Because chaos warriors were already high fantasy as hell

[queen laurel]

The one on the left are iron jaws which are the basic giant armored orcs

Orcs in warhammer AOS actually split

[arctic talon]

All of the Human/Elf/Dwarf WHFB factions aesthetically

[queen laurel]

But in there they are called Orruks

[arctic talon]

Got rolled into an AOS faction called cities of sigmar

Which is a soup faction in essence

It’s all the many civilizations of “Order”

That make up the cities of sigmar

[unique bronze]

sounds very lotr

[potent trail]

Are the psykers in Darktide sanctioned?

[unique bronze]

And Sigmar is..?

[queen laurel]

there are two types of orruk or orcs

iron jaws which are all about brute strenght and move around in giant armor and plates, and Kruleboyz which are thin but a lot smarter therefore they are dangerous because they are capable of making some of the worst things in our general like traps or catapults that have poison ammo in them

[arctic talon]

No

[potent trail]

Thanks

[shadow plover]

I remembered one of the personalities was originally?

[queen laurel]

He's basically the equivalent of an emperor character for the humans but he's actually nice as a person and cares about his people and he's also known as the God king in AOS

[arctic talon]

Sigmar was a barbarian king and the founder of the empire in WHFB. All sound he tried his best to be a good person(for his time period) eventually one day he stepped down as the emperor of the very new empire to go explore the world

And then he became worshiped as a God

[queen laurel]

^

[arctic talon]

Turns out sigmar got trapped in a magic maelstrom by accident whoops

And slowly became an actual capital G god

Not a very powerful one but he did become one

Anyways end times happen. Sigmar breaks free, tries to rally the world against chaos and fails

The world fucking blows up and sigmar drifts around in the void of nothingness for a long time

[queen laurel]

he's also the owner of THE warhammer Ghal Maraz

[arctic talon]

Eventually he’s dragged to the mortal realms by the winds of magic and is greatly empowered as a God

And now he’s an actual active God in AoS

The cities of sigmar are called as such because he helped establish them

Back before chaos came back

Also sigmar managed to make friends with like

All the newly ascended gods or old surviving Gods

Until chaos fucked everything up

By attacking everyone

That put a big strain on everyone’s relationship

[unique bronze]

Huh, so is he still alive in the current setting

[queen laurel]

Yes he is in AOS

AOS is the result of warhammer fantasy getting destroyed

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Sigmar unlike the emperor

Is an actual good person at heart and always was

Even if he’s got issues

[queen laurel]

so that's why it has a lot of factions from warhammer fantasy but they grew up more to be extreme and better

but of course there are new ones

[arctic talon]

He’s also, still a barbarian adventurer/warlord turned king turned god

Lol

[queen laurel]

i mean hey for a barbarian he's a very nice person so i can't complain

[celest dome]

Still a better god than ||Nagash or the Emperor||
Not that it is difficult to do better than them

[queen laurel]

giving a baby godly power and letting him have responsibility that baby would still be a better God than the emperor or nagash

[arctic talon]

Him being a Barbarian isn’t a slight

Like

Bro just grew up in that era lol

[queen laurel]

honestly did he just grew up built different

[arctic talon]

The bar is buried under the floor with those 2 lmao

[queen laurel]

because this guy was boxing up things he shouldn't have a chance against

What was bro on that era

[valid needle]

Nah, Big E did nothing wrong.

Free my guy

[celest dome]

From life

[unique bronze]

would Sigmar have done a better job then if the roles were switched

[arctic talon]

Honestly nagash is worse then the emperor

lol

[valid needle]

Big E can’t be connected to those innocent humans and innocent xenos deaths. It’s a set up.

[arctic talon]

Yes, because he wouldn’t have made the primarchs or gone with total murder as his plan. Though he likely would have died of old age

Lol

Sigmar isn’t a mage

He was only a normal human until he wandered off on his final journey

[unique bronze]

I actually remember seeing somewhere that warhammer fantasy is warhammer 40k's sci fi counterpart? would that mean both just are just in the same universe, just 40,000 years apart

[surreal nest]

Warhammer 40k is a sci fi spinoff off Warhammer Fantasy, no connection otherwise

[arctic talon]

No connection aside from some joke ones

[surreal nest]

But thats why they have the same characters because its basically just an alternate universe I guess? In simple terms

[arctic talon]

Like whfb being a planet in the eye of terror

And all of 40K being inside a bottle in a wizards tower in whfb

[unique bronze]

Ohh i see

[arctic talon]

lol

As for the chaos gods and daemons

Well

They’re not the same ones

Not exactly

Slaanesh is chained up in AoS rn by the elven gods

As revenge lol

[unique bronze]

would have made an interesting plot point id imagine if it was

Revenge against slaanesh?

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh gorged themselves on elven souls among many other things when the world that was blew up

The elven gods, big surprise

Did not like this

And kidnapped Slaanesh, chained them up in a pocket realm, and made them puke up every single non chaos follower soul they had eaten

And then left slaanesh to rot forever

Except one of them fucked up and the bonds got loosened slightly and then slaanesh “birthed” a new pair of keeper of secrets

It’s a whole thing. Anyways point being slaanesh is slowly breaking out of prison

[valid needle]

Fantasy is a pocket universe in 40K

In old lore anyway

[arctic talon]

In rogue trader era lore yes

[arctic talon]

By that logic 40K is located entirely in some random wizards bottle in whfb

And both of those instances are in the same book

[unique bronze]

i imagined a space marine just showing up in their planet lmao

[arctic talon]

So they’re more then likely meant to be a joke

[unique bronze]

wat does the b stand for in whfb

[arctic talon]

Battle

Warhammer fantasy battle is the full name of it

[unique bronze]

had a friend irl mention that if i wanted to get into the 40k tabletop i should do aos first

[arctic talon]

Weird

Because they don’t play alike at all lol

If you want to play a tabletop war game made by GW cheaply AoS is def much cheaper though

[unique bronze]

mentioned it had far simpler rules than 40k does?

[arctic talon]

It’s

Complex in its own ways but it’s much more approachable

Imo

Wargear is simpler since in AoS it’s only sidegrades

[valid needle]

Coming from 40K I was quite surprised at how much cheaper AOS is

Still just getting into AOS but the price difference is very noticeable

[arctic talon]

GW also got rid

Of the most hordey method of playing skaven

lol

No more skaven slaves(on the tabletop)

[valid needle]

Or I’ve maybe just picked a cheaper army

[arctic talon]

Chaos warriors are on the cheaper side

If you picked them

They’re very elite

AoS has a lot more elite armies

Tbh

[valid needle]

Slaves to Darkness

[arctic talon]

Yeah slaves to darkness are an extremely elite army

Unless you go darkoath stuff

[queen laurel]

well is darkoath stuff good

[storm jungle]

Ian used my commission art for his video

moving up in the world

https://tenor.com/view/dog-snoop-dogg-rabjouj-gif-21804700

(also as ever properly credits artists, based)

My 5 seconds of fame is achieved

[queen laurel]

She is ascending the inquisitorial hierarchy quick somebody stop her !!!

[rose thorn]

What the fuck-

[hexed orchid]

[rose thorn]

I literally ahve no clue what this could be

Besides pestigors

[nocturne crest]

New Yvraine?

[hexed orchid]

It's a very human looking leg and foot

[median star]

i was thinking the same

[nocturne crest]

Good point.

[wintry cloud]

Peak mentioned

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[queen laurel]

I'm guessing an animal for necromunda

Could also just be one more animal for AOS as well

[hexed orchid]

My guess would be some kind of fucked up experiment

New dark eldar abomination?

[storm jungle]

xenos model

lmao

[hexed orchid]

True

It was a foolish idea

[raven stone]

Beastmen.

[median star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1395727180830478383/1422412020715880480/e993d191d03335fd09a1987db3f8d39a.gif

[raven stone]

Felinids

[nocturne crest]

Kroot hounds?

Nvm.

[rose thorn]

Yeah but the cat’s knees don’t scrunch up

[nocturne crest]

Maybe it's gotten bigger.

[celest dome]

Could be an Esher cat thingy

Like these

[nocturne crest]

Awful thought. It's a new Wulfen model.

But someone has shaved it.

[hexed orchid]

Legs and feet still look too human to me

[sacred bluff]

has he done a video on harlequinns

[crystal forum]

how could i tell this art is related to you

[storm jungle]

Not yet

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

Oh, ALL of the spyrehunters are helmawr’s children

That’s even more horrifying

And they all have stupid silly titles this is amazing

They don’t have a group name they are all literally main antagonists who pretending to know each other

[celest dome]

They are ?

They're just nobles afaik

House Catalus is for ex has Spyrers that go in the Ash waste

[rose thorn]

Wasn’t house catalus outcasts

[celest dome]

Part of it was, the remaining Catalus hunt them out in the Wastes

[strong bison]

Now they ride giant sand fleas

[celest dome]

If they are the Ash Waste Nomads

Which is implied to not be the only case

[dapper gyro]

That shoulder, I would commit heresy to get touch those.

[storm jungle]

[cyan merlin]

Where boats

I want to paint a 3 foot long battleship covered bow to stern in imperial livery and packing enough firepower to make an emperor-class titan blush

Where
Boats

[remote wadi]

Prolly in fantasy I guess

[cyan merlin]

They exist in lore apparently

40k wet navy is a criminally untapped goldmine
Battleships with extra steps

[storm jungle]

Because nobody really cares about sea-based naval battles

its gay

[rocky gale]

Yes that’s the point

[daring creek]

Gay fish

[vagrant fox]

wrongpilled and falsecelled
Hundreds of sweaty men in tight, cramped quarters is cool

[spring cairn]

no point in sailing when you can fly a big fuckoff spaceship over any body of water

[daring creek]

Homosexual sea life

Look in the ocean

You see rainbows

(Gasoline)

[languid meadow]

I thought this was a strogg from quake

[dark moon]

Darn Exxon is back at it again with yet another oil spill I see.

[languid meadow]

Wokxon

[cyan merlin]

Counterpoint: Battleships are fucking awesome

[remote wadi]

Countercounterpoint glorious melee combat

(says the Psyker player/tau army user)

[celest dome]

Space Battleship are cooler

[cyan merlin]

Counterpoint counterpoint counterpoint: Melee combat ON a battleship

[remote wadi]

Ok you won

[cyan merlin]

:D

Fighting over control of the ship’s weapons so you can royally fuck someone else’s battlefield

[remote wadi]

True wh40k fights after boarding ships are cool af

[queen laurel]

That's very very funny but I'm just gonna build an orc submarine and strap a buzz saw on it to cut your ship in half

[cyan merlin]

I found your submarine with my sonar scouting planes and dropped a nuclear depth charge on it
Checkmate

[queen laurel]

I can teleport it on top of your ship to blow it up

I win

[cyan merlin]

I can- Uh-
Philadelphia experiment this shit..?

New lore just dropped
The USS Philadelphia appears on a random sea planet for the imperium to find in 38,000 years

[celest dome]

Well, I guess it is time to summon some Blood sharks and unleach them on the whole of the sea

A blood tide to quench the Blood God

[cyan merlin]

This is what I mean naval combat would be so cool

[cyan merlin]

Imperial wet navy charting a sea of blood and fighting hordes of daemons
Why? I dunno, a McGuffin or something

[queen laurel]

oh you're on

Squigsharks go

[cyan merlin]

Aw it’s cute

[queen laurel]

fine you get naval battles when space marines stop being popular

[celest dome]

Do you know Battlefleet Gothic ?

[remote wadi]

And I use my tau ship to flee this area of space smh

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/battlefleet-gothic-warhammer-40k-wh40k-battlefleet-gothic-armada-gif-9766624896917398915

[cyan merlin]

Not if we… Checks notes…
Release a seacraft for space marines..?

[crystal forum]

very gay

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-giga-chad-scream-mirror-gif-15250052683530088091

[vital ginkgo]

Do space marines who commonly fight alongside sisters of battle view the sisters similarly to how they'd view a battle brother in a sibling way or are they not as personal? Same question vice-versa.

[celest dome]

Sisters often see SM as either Angels of the Emperor

[queen laurel]

^

[celest dome]

Or as mutants

[queen laurel]

space marines are varied so their views on sisters are varied

some marine see them a stalwart allies and true bringers of the emperor's light

[celest dome]

SM see Sisters not unlike they see Guardsmen

[queen laurel]

while some of them definitely see the sisters as crazy and loose cannons

[green loom]

Or just inferiors

[languid meadow]

belligerent and numerous

[spring cairn]

@arctic talon

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/12570361979212740141/F991A84E8481F3C71D9881DD315387653EB3A93B/

coughing baby vs nuclear bomb

[queen laurel]

what did went through her head trying to fight a 2000 health abram

[spring cairn]

haze

[arctic talon]

She’s 5k down and opens with a melee. This haze is a real genius

LOL

[spring cairn]

i knew she was newb the moment she opened with that heavy yeah

it did less dmg that her sleep knife 😭

[arctic talon]

Me when I build bullet damage but decide to punch someone in the face

[queen laurel]

But by the way your character is built surely she must have seen your character wiping the floor with her team

It didn't cross her mind once that maybe getting close to the brick wall that is Abrams is a good idea

[arctic talon]

The teams are pretty even overall

Tbh

In theory off of soul count

Like they’re 10k down

But it’s not as bad as it could be

lol

[spring cairn]

i think this match ended with a 50k+ diff in our favour

[arctic talon]

Snowball moment

[storm jungle]

god Helmawr's is such a cunt its crazy

"I dont like you guys anymore "

[spring cairn]

ok maybe i exaggerated a little

[queen laurel]

ah yes one of my favorite characters for just how much of A the capital C he is

He truly is a planetary governor

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

I love the:

"He couldnt even find an excuse, he just said they are out."

lmao

gotta respect the game

[rocky gale]

Looking into his daughter Haera she's equally messed up, as a child she would frame her servants for crimes and then force them into framing someone else to avoid punishment

[queen laurel]

You're starting trait of being a Helmawr is absolute bastard

[rocky gale]

and after her father was poisoned she assumed control of House Helmawr and invited all of her siblings to come and pledge loyalty to her and she'd offer them protection. She had any that showed up executed.

[queen laurel]

What's the other faction fighting her rule for necromunda again

[rocky gale]

House Aranthus

[queen laurel]

Are they slightly better or are they just as bad

[celest dome]

We don't really know iirc

[queen laurel]

Well shit

[rocky gale]

Yea all we know is that a previous ruler of House Helmawr allegedly purged them with a bioenginered virus because they slighted her at a dinner party.

Killed most of their House, Helmawr then seized their assets and either killed or arrested any survivors

[celest dome]

The best, and only rightful heir of helmawr is our hallowed Lady of the Grey Waste

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah I forgot you have a body pillow of Asun'ghar just lying about

[celest dome]

If only

God

Having one of Valkia

[queen laurel]

OK Asun'ghar I can pass but the literal queen of murder?

mate you truly are the heretical cacti

[celest dome]

This or the old long black haired one

[dapper gyro]

Too horny

I mean, too many horns.