40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

He’s a basic bitch aesthetically

[unique bronze]

I mean it is fanart, like I said

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But what’s with giving him shark bits

I don’t get it lol

[gleaming patrol]

To tell he’s a shark

I’m not sure does imperium know shark exist

Since Cadia is poofed

[arctic talon]

They do know

vaguely

[gleaming patrol]

Alright, I’m going amirmir then at morning modeling stub revolver, and work on rest item friend requested

[median star]

one of the main reasons i like iron hands they basic bitch aesthetic it for the most part but can off set it via unarmored bionics

[rocky gale]

My Drukhari are on their way

https://tenor.com/view/moistcr1tikal-charlie-white-dance-funny-speed-dance-charlie-gif-24796355

[proven needle]

Congrats, they'd be my next army. Have to be reasonable, though.

[valid needle]

Because he’s chapter daddy of the space sharks.

He does have little shark bits though tbf to the artist

[near wasp]

I'm so torn

I have a chaos Marine kill team to paint this weekend and I have no clue what color to do

[vagrant fox]

leopard print noise marines bring it back

[near wasp]

Like part of me just wants to say fuck it and do black legion

..... Leopard print

[valid needle]

The best colour

Word Bearers Red

Or Nightlords blue

[near wasp]

Maybe I'll paint them like the fallen

[vagrant fox]

it was too beautiful for this world

[valid needle]

https://tenor.com/view/now-attention-you-had-my-curiosity-you-have-my-attention-gif-17913445

[near wasp]

I'm a dark angel fan ever since the lion book came out

I'm absolutely feinding for a sequal

[valid needle]

Hell yeah which one?

[near wasp]

Son of the forest

[valid needle]

Oh yeah oh yeah very nice

Probably end of edition or start of next I think

I’ve got a feeling DA will be a heavy focus of next.

[near wasp]

We can certainly hope

[valid needle]

The redemption of the fallen into the risen and the reformation of the legion plus probably lions reunion with guilliman

[near wasp]

It's not like GW would sit on a plot line for years and not do anything with it

[valid needle]

IMO

The reformation of the legion has already been hinted imo since we know he’s been visiting successors and even led the cowled wardens to victory in battle.

[vagrant fox]

Gav Thorpe, bless his hit or miss heart, still occupies a space in my brain from that one bit in Luther: First of the Fallen where Luther is just continuously dragged out and put back into stasis by each new Dark Angels chapter master and he describes them just getting more and more unhinged and I love it

[valid needle]

A funny thing about 40K dark angels

Without the lion they’ve almost completely reverted to 30k dark angels without the lion.

So we can safely assume post lion 40K angels will return more to 30k angels post reunion with lion

[near wasp]

Nah I feel like modern dark angels have gone so far off the script of what the lion wants

Like they've left allies to die to chase shadows, I like would not like this

[valid needle]

Aye of course but again that’s like 30k dark angels before lion was found by the emperor

Except instead of the fallen it was hiding all warfare secrets to be the supreme legion again

Pre lion 30k dark angels even hid secrets from eachother and different circles and orders because they fell into such decline without a primarch.

But then once lion was found the dark angels were reorganised and rose to be the top legion again. So it’s safe to say lion will do it again.

[storm jungle]

Tbh the modern Dark Angels are literally a meme pre-Lion

their Fallen schtick is hilarious because GW has been insistent for 30 years on how all Fallen are just generic chaos supervillains, only now do we actually get the confirmation that not all of them were bad people, its super funny because people used to shit on folks for having this opinion once lol

[valid needle]

Yeah it’s like

[near wasp]

Zabriel is the goat

[valid needle]

The head chaplain of the dark angels have a list of 136 fallen who pledged loyalty to Luther but yet its estimated that there was 30k troops on caliban not counting the dark angels who rebelled against Luther before lion returned. So if we take the 136 names as captains, masters, leadership basically. It goes to reason that a lot of the remaining 29 ish k angels weren’t privy to really what was going on.

Whilst yes some fallen have turned to chaos most just became renegade or stayed loyalist whilst running from their brothers.

[storm jungle]

Yeah that. It's kinda extremely two-faced on the side of the writers but the issue is its like the Alpha Legion, sure loyalist elements can maybe exist but on the surface you are marketed and forced to be recognized as a chaos faction, though in AL's case thats more valid since they are all cunts.

With the Fallen its always been showcased as more ambigious but none of the books EVER explored the concept before the Lion came back.

I had a loyalist Fallen character for like 10 years so its good to finally have some recognition for it.

[near wasp]

Some of those fallen went into chaos because there commanders did

[storm jungle]

Yeah the point more is thats basically all of them EVERY time.

a great issue with DA books is it revolves around nothing but the Fallen and they are always just generic boring villains.

like the plot twist kinda gets predictable after the 4th time lol

[valid needle]

Like 40K cypher is actually Corswain?

[storm jungle]

Uh probably

We do know he obeys Big E's wishes so hes not a villain

also his book is hilarious so he gets a pass

[near wasp]

Loved the convo at the end between the custodes

[valid needle]

He also carries the lions sword yet has never been seen wielding it. Almost like he’s carrying it to return his father’s sword to him.

[storm jungle]

Same

also the revelation that like

the ENTIRE book when hes been speaking to you

he was instead speaking to the Librarian who was reading his mind

that legit made me wheeze, its so fucking silly yet it kinda works

[vagrant fox]

That book is too good for how silly it is

[storm jungle]

Its great because its just silly.

its also just short and concise

[near wasp]

Cypher gets a pass cause he's cypher

[storm jungle]

^

mfer escapes due to a faulty door hinge

actually peak cinema

[vagrant fox]

Yeah I knew this labourer fucked up and now my door hinge fucked up I'm Cypher

[storm jungle]

Im a fucking BADASS

[valid needle]

There’s no way a traitor like little zahariel could ever defeat my King Chad Corswain

[vagrant fox]

I should go through it again it's so funny

[storm jungle]

Its short like i said, highly recommend it

[near wasp]

Door hinge saved the imperium

[storm jungle]

Real.

also the lenghts DA go to capture Cypher

its so fucking good

"THIS IS A TOP SECRET MISSION. OUR ARMORS ARE UNMARKED AND UNPAINTED"

Book says they still wear green

[near wasp]

Bro modern da are definitely traitors and if anybody ever found out they'd be excommunicated

[valid needle]

What are they gonna do when they do catch him and lion pulls up like yo unhand my boy corswain my favourite son

[storm jungle]

Yeah literally lol

i loved that in Arks too

where the Fallen are standing next to Lion

and Azrael is like

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-homelander-gif-16156538903600882075

fucking little bitch i swear

[valid needle]

💀

[storm jungle]

bros entire life has been a lie

i hope he recovers

[near wasp]

He wont

[storm jungle]

Good. Let him suffer.

[near wasp]

He's gonna go cope with space wolves

Aka go get drunk

[storm jungle]

Also blow up their homeworld

I maen liquidated it

whoops

[queen laurel]

Azrael looks at the fallen the same way a KKK member looks at a minority

[near wasp]

I mean there was a fallen there

[storm jungle]

The Fallen are hiding under the equatorial plates

we gotta blow it all up

[valid needle]

When you’ve been taking care of your brothers and home for years and your dad pulls up and all but says he likes your long lost brother more

[storm jungle]

LITERALLY

[near wasp]

I mean tbh bors and zabriel have like more personality than the entire chapter of DA

[storm jungle]

Accurate.

DA suffer extremely from lame lore

i hope that takes a turn as we go along

[near wasp]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

ive never met a DA fan who doesnt hate modern dark angels lore, aka revolving around nothing but hunting Fallen lol

[valid needle]

Primaris surgery do that to a fella

[storm jungle]

to the point that they just ignore it

which is understandable

[queen laurel]

I just know out there silence is having the seizure of his life

[valid needle]

What was once a based firstborn marine with depth immediately becomes generic Primaris number 45354344

[vagrant fox]

post that funny little exploding guy, that's me

I do want to like the Dark Angels, and I have in recent years, but the Fallen thing and nothing but was such a snoozefest after a while

[valid needle]

Me immediately putting my favourite characters book in the bin the moment I see the words rubicon surgery.

[storm jungle]

Its kinda why I hope GW entirely drops it next edition.

Nobody gives a shit about the Fallen

the fact that the Lion is actively recruiting them invadilates it even more

[valid needle]

The whole secrecy and obsession with the fallen kind of goes back to what I said earlier about how the dark angels lost the lion they immediately reverted back to how they were before he was first found.

[vagrant fox]

tbf I also got bored of the Black Templars until I got through the Fall of Cadia and Broken Crusade books. I'll get hooked right in once I read something good again so you know, whatever

[valid needle]

Have you read Black Legion

The title is misleading but also not at the same time

[vagrant fox]

The whole schtick is funny to me except when it's lazer focused on just the fallen yea

Yeah I mildly liked them, the Sigismund bits were great

[valid needle]

You will die as your weakling father did, rizzless, moneyless, maidenless, a soyjack. Or something like that.

[vagrant fox]

I figured out my cutoff date for having read most things except shorts is like 2017-2018 and I haven't caught up since 😮‍💨

I'm ignoring the horus heresy because no one should read those

[valid needle]

Horus heresy is based

[near wasp]

No it isn't

[valid needle]

I’ve read descent of angels 4 times

[vagrant fox]

I read like 10 and I quite enjoyed 3

I'm not touching the other 50 or however many there are

[valid needle]

There is some trash

First three are needed

Eisenstein is ok but sets up a few things you’ll see later

[vagrant fox]

The first two I genuinely love tbf

[valid needle]

Fulgrim is trash

Descent of angels gives me goosebumps

[celest cedar]

50+?

[near wasp]

Fulgrim got did so dirty

[vagrant fox]

I liked the Angron ones but people keep going on and on about how tragic Angron is so I mock it

Isn't there almost 70 Horusy Heresy novels

[celest cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-thousand-yard-stare-gif-3375758199587212884

[celest cedar]

my attention span could never

[queen laurel]

no offence can you even go through 1 warhammer book without falling asleep

[valid needle]

Books alone yes

Then you have all the Audio dramas

And anthologies

I’d say all in about 100 ish

[storm jungle]

Yeah tho memes aside you very much dont need to read all of them lol

Most are extremely filler

[vagrant fox]

it's way too much

[storm jungle]

^

its all made for money

[vagrant fox]

I only read the ones I wanted and left it there

[storm jungle]

👆

[valid needle]

I mean who the hell goes into an alien temple and thinks ohh that thing on the pedestal the xenos who worship gods are all surrounding looks cool imma take it

[storm jungle]

Any character you dont know shows up just read their lexi page

thats what I did during Siege

thats how less of a fuck i give lol

[valid needle]

Fulgrim did nearly destroy Horus and the traitors until dumbfuck eidolon brought the sword

Damn if loyalist clone fulgrim ever gets released from trazyns vault a reformed Primaris emperors children would be hot

Except this time it’s redemption instead of perfection

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[vagrant fox]

yea of the things listed on the Lexicanum Horus Heresy Series page I've read 14 and I'm not touching another give me another Eldar book instead

[valid needle]

It’s all fun and games for daemon fulgrim until perfect uncorrupted fulgrim pulls up with Ferrus and his legion of the damned

[vagrant fox]

I'd just have clonegrim pick up another Laer blade to piss off people and that's why I should never write for Black Library

[valid needle]

Then the next fulgrim book is a rom com where daemon fulgrim and clone fulgrim fall in love with eachother

[vagrant fox]

Who else is perfect enough for him than perfection itself

[valid needle]

https://tenor.com/view/let-him-cook-cook-cookin-big-wok-gif-141999319614473134

[vagrant fox]

throw in some of that Kibellah eyeball stabbing and you've got something

actually yeah owlcat should just write it

[vagrant fox]

Speaking of the devil, I'm amused

[queen laurel]

Are you sure they learned their lesson though

owlcat is legendary for fumbling releases

[vagrant fox]

surely this time

[rose thorn]

SO EXCITED FOR WASTELAJD WARFARE

[valid needle]

It’s here 💀

https://youtu.be/KFgU_Rtta2w?si=zR69dNSQ3yf5tcmu

[storm jungle]

we're cooked

classic 💀

[celest cedar]

but but but....I like girls!!!!

[vagrant fox]

deviant behaviour

[storm jungle]

God i really wish Flashgitz werent chud grifters

because the animation for this stuff is really great

[celest cedar]

they're so scared of women for stupid reasons its so infuriating

[storm jungle]

Maybe the crime really was our existence

😔

[celest dome]

But Chuds are easy to trick out of money

[outer wave]

Sometimes I wonder how well I could do as a grifter for chuds

[vagrant fox]

It doesn't seem all that hard at times

[outer wave]

It really doesnt

[vagrant fox]

uhhh, woman bad, tourist, the woke bad

[outer wave]

Gimme money so I can continue to promote traditional family values

Then donate it to people that help women and such

[valid needle]

We burnt dilara

We burnt

[rocky gale]

We're here to stay now Chuds, we are the daughters of the tourists you couldn't gatekeep

[valid needle]

The thing with female space marines though

[storm jungle]

I agree with femarines but the distaste for it obviously comes from a bigoted stance.

Femtodes is completely fine though.

[valid needle]

It’s not like they’ll be any different to male space marines

[storm jungle]

Tbh they would.

GW markets a lot on unisex ranges

the heads would be more "amazonian" but still very brick-like

[valid needle]

And even the female custodian just acted like a custodian

Mm

[storm jungle]

behavior wise tho yes 100% lol

[valid needle]

You might be right

[storm jungle]

Its something they did a lot post-2018

its why even the new chaos dwarf sets that just released got like 2-3 female heads

they are ugly as fuck as is fitting too

[valid needle]

Yeah I mean even blood angels who are remarked as all being beautiful should be scarred beyond belief

After 200 years of war you are going to be fucked

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

[valid needle]

Dante who’s 1500 should be completely disfigured

[storm jungle]

Yeah tho thats just kinda shifting from artist to artist too

some draw them handsome while others are uhhh

really love this artwork lol

[celest cedar]

top left and middle got that julius caesar haircut

its really well made art

[near wasp]

I think at this point there's more female only factions than male only factions. Let guys have there Marines let gals have sisters.

[valid needle]

I may be psycho

But

[near wasp]

Oh no here we go

[valid needle]

I swear space kings voice sounds exactly like Chris tester

The voice actor

[near wasp]

That's because it is

[valid needle]

No way flashgitz actually got the goat to do this

[storm jungle]

...theres female only factions aside from SoB and SoS?

[near wasp]

Is my math wrong and there's more than one male only factions?

[storm jungle]

Theres literally only Space Marines

[near wasp]

Than my math is still right

[storm jungle]

every other imperial/xenos faction aside from the aformentioned two above are unisex.

[near wasp]

Besides orks idk what to even classify them as asexual ig?

[storm jungle]

Yeah orks also dont really have a gender as mentioned by them in a book

since well, they are mushrooms

[near wasp]

You think could trip balls by eating Ork flesh

[lofty mason]

I love the irony that the higher you go in IoM command structure, the less "human" you are. I wouldn't count The Emperor and Primarch as human at all. Basically, homo-superior at this point.

[storm jungle]

DEI Imperium 😔

[near wasp]

Primarchs are more human than marines

[queen laurel]

You could refer to them at any gender, me personally I just refer to them by male pronouns to make it easy on myself

[near wasp]

Fair

[celest cedar]

gonna start referring to orks as a she to piss off chuds

[near wasp]

Please

It'll be funny

[celest cedar]

shes a cutie

[near wasp]

Now I'm just envision ghaz talking in a valley girl accent

[valid needle]

More than likely

[lofty mason]

Does Primarch have a special scientific classification? Like homo-gigantus or something like that.

[queen laurel]

But, before the prisoner’s account could continue, the Deathwatch veteran had found one more bone to pick.

‘Ghazghkull is a he,’ he grumbled, wagging a finger at Biter and receiving an uncertain grunt in reply. ‘You keep saying they,’ Hendriksen clarified, ‘but Ghazghkull is a he.’

‘But… they… he is not a man?’ said Biter, their brow-ridge creased in ¬bafflement. Falx cut in then, before another messy debate could ensue.

‘We’ve been through this, Orm. Orks have no… reproductive anatomy, and consequently no understanding of sex or gender.’

‘Some of us understand sexangender,’ interrupted Biter, keen as ever to demonstrate their unusual expertise in humans. ‘I find it all… quite funny.’

‘Silence, ork,’ Falx snapped, impatient to get back on track. ‘From now on, Ghazghkull is a he, whether it makes sense or not.’

and actual excerpt from a book

[valid needle]

To be fair

High lords are higher than primarchs

[queen laurel]

the inquisitor could not be bothered and decided to just call ghaz a he

[lofty mason]

Primarchs, to me, are more like Supes from The Boys.

[storm jungle]

Biter my homie keeping it real

[celest cedar]

just another example of imperium bigotry

cant respect the they/thems smh 😔

[storm jungle]

LOL

[queen laurel]

the only understanding of gender as i'm pretty sure boils down to

Certain gender are more fun to kick in the balls because they scream louder

[near wasp]

They/them is cannon fodder

[storm jungle]

real ork logic

[valid needle]

And depending on who you ask custodes are higher than primarchs

[near wasp]

I'm just saying primarchs have more humanity than the average marine

[valid needle]

Well primarchs don’t have near the mental conditioning marines get

[near wasp]

Grotsnik talking to voutin about how umied reproduce kills me

[valid needle]

Marines are brainwashed to forget their parents, their home, everything before becoming a marine.

Where as most Primarchs grew up amongst humans as a human and didn’t get their memories of that wiped

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/konrad-curze-night-lords-warhammer-40k-night-haunter-warhammer-gif-13065670807572297205

[valid needle]

I mean didn’t Astarte even say that her children (space marines) would be nothing without the Primarchs.

[lofty mason]

Fair point

[near wasp]

Jeffery dahmer

[outer wave]

Brainwashing the primarchs may have been a good idea in hindsight, considering how diverse their personalities are and how much clashing happens

[valid needle]

Perhaps but you could say if that happened they would almost certainly not gain the worlds of the Primarchs

Some of the knights of caliban tried to assassinate big E even with the lion.

[storm jungle]

To be fair is that a big deal? Aside from Ultramar what Primarch world gains anything to the Imperium

[outer wave]

Hell, brainwash and then gaslight them into certain backstories and backgrounds with ideals that they praise that the emperor could deal with

[valid needle]

Now? None. Back then, most of them.

I mean Rogal dorns world gifted the imperium the phalanx and his empire pretty much

[near wasp]

10/10 book

[green loom]

I mean it'd just be standard operation then

Offers first, threats second, bombs third

[crystal forum]

what if there just wasn't any primarchs

crazy i know

[vagrant fox]

what if uhhh, they were woman and with huge booby

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/pacific-rim-you-keep-talking-listening-keep-talking-gif-11959377

[keen nova]

...Can people eat Kroot?

[celest cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

[celest dome]

Don't see why they couldn't

[keen nova]

It would be hilarious if they were delicious

[median star]

id certainly eat tau burger

[spring cairn]

every time

you mention that evry time

https://tenor.com/view/giygas-cat-giygas-cat-earthbound-mother-gif-6758537315052985815

[median star]

me

never

[spring cairn]

wa

[celest cedar]

what da fucik

[rocky gale]

Huhh I didn't even realise that they repackaged the Wracks in a box of 10

[valid needle]

You’d die

[median star]

proof

[valid needle]

Tyranid cells when eaten can kill almost anything

[median star]

https://tenor.com/view/123-gif-27708605

i too lack reading comprehension sometimes

[outer wave]

Just cook tyranid well done

Bam, easy nutrients

[valid needle]

I dunno if you can cook the poison out of them tbh you can try it first

[outer wave]

Yes!

[celest dome]

We're giving Tumblr a run for it's money on the "Pissing on the poor" award

[outer wave]

Huh?

[valid needle]

Let’s one up them and shit on the poor

[queen laurel]

yes you can by cooking down to the point that they look like charcoal

[crystal forum]

they're not fully poison im sure

it's not like nids needed to spend any points into making themselves inedible to predators

[outer wave]

^

Realistically, they dont have to as long as nothing eats them

And the Imperium is seldom eating them if at all

[storm jungle]

They are

literally every single thing in a tyranid wants to kill you

even their meat itself would be toxic

no idea why mfers wanna justify eating them lol

[languid meadow]

because they look like kind of tasty sometimes

just guants really

[languid meadow]

low poly rat attack

[crystal forum]

oh right i forgot that nids work by "fuck you" logic

[storm jungle]

They work by being dangerous organisms, get vored

[celest dome]

Tyranids aren't poisonous, they're more like the Komodo dragon, they're just full of bacteria/Micro-Tyranids that are just gonna start eating you instead

[crystal forum]

dont threaten me with a good time

[celest dome]

You and I have different definition of good time

[crystal forum]

hey she used the term vore not me

but it just seems like a waste of biological resources to have all nids be so toxic

[storm jungle]

they got stuff to spare

also it looks cool

[outer wave]

Knowing how antibiotic resistance works, yeah them nids should be much lazier about doing unnecessary adaptations

[languid meadow]

yeah but aura

the hive mind is using it's touys

https://tenor.com/view/bathtub-dinosaur-dinosaurs-man-playing-yay-gif-703131060536325558

the hive mind designing nid bioforms

[outer wave]

I wonder if Norn Queens have like two mindsets when approaching bioforms

One that wants to adapt to the status quo, and one that just wants to make dinosaurs

[vital ginkgo]

What does this symbol on a marine's helmet mean or signify?

[storm jungle]

its just the Imperialis logo

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Imperialis

[vital ginkgo]

Any marine can wear it?

It's not something just for vets or anything?

[storm jungle]

Yeah its a generic imperium symbol

[arctic talon]

It goes on anyone

[storm jungle]

take a read in the lexi page

[arctic talon]

usually you see it on SGTs

but thats mostly because

GW only includes 1 per box if any at all for helmet ornamentation

LOL

[vital ginkgo]

Alrighty thanks 👍

[daring creek]

@storm jungle what books of Horus Heresy is not filler

I got the first book physically

[storm jungle]

the first 3 books are good

https://youtu.be/I1m8gmu3Nyc

after that just consult this video

[daring creek]

Oh good

[valid needle]

The imperium

https://tenor.com/view/kartal-gif-3596370159344905149

[rose thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux_0_ATFK8w

jesus chrsit this is the first time i heard of a gw recall

[lament shoal]

@storm jungle changed it

[storm jungle]

[remote wadi]

A servant of the greater evil

[rose thorn]

official gw art?

[storm jungle]

It s yeah

its from one of the rulebooks

Chaos & Imperium is stored in the balls

[sacred bluff]

[frail cedar]

Anyone know what are the rank titles of the non Arbites enforcers? Like the ones The Psyker can be?

[crystal forum]

enforcers can vary widely from world to world

[rocky gale]

So after the Drukhari codex, the army has 22 Datasheets, Votann have 21 Datasheets

[arctic talon]

Depends world to world but the encorcers on Tertium are modeled after necromundas

From what we can tell

[crystal forum]

wolf

[arctic talon]

Next edition

[crystal forum]

you always say this but i dont believe you

i have not seen a munda enforcer outside munda

[arctic talon]

They’re modeled in similar armor

[crystal forum]

proof

because every enforcer i've seen is just some guy

[rose thorn]

is chaos uspposed to be winning in the 40k lroe beacuse i havent heard a chaos W since that killteam thing

[crystal forum]

nobody's winning

[sacred bluff]

she's right

[arctic talon]

They literally have won every major crusade book

So yes

They literally are winning

[crystal forum]

yeah so what

[arctic talon]

They’re winning so much it’s boring

[crystal forum]

that's just palatine

[arctic talon]

lol

[crystal forum]

i have never seen that armor outside munda

[arctic talon]

The left ones are Tertium enforcers

[rose thorn]

oh happyto hear

[arctic talon]

They’re referred to as magistratum enforcers

[rose thorn]

i didnt evne realize they were int hat one involving uh, the necron soul ersaer

[crystal forum]

right but it's clearly a skin pack for the munda ones

[arctic talon]

Also they won the crusade book with Necrons

Which is

Comical

[rose thorn]

.... what, were they doing there?

[arctic talon]

They came in for the last like 5 pages of lore

And blew up a portion of the nexus

Turning it into a mini warp rift

[sacred bluff]

is this because it was foretold that chaos would win and eventually destroy everything if the emperor won

[rose thorn]

ah, what part of chaos??

[arctic talon]

Vashtor sabotaged a piece of mechanicus tech

[rose thorn]

gotcha

lmao

[arctic talon]

And when the mechanicus deployed their super weapon

[storm jungle]

They exist outside of Munda canonically

[arctic talon]

It also summoned him

LOL

[storm jungle]

we see it in Rogue Trader

and also in Dorktide

so your opinion

as ever

is incorrect

[arctic talon]

Also the enforcer corpses

[storm jungle]

🫡

[arctic talon]

In Darktide

[storm jungle]

yeah that too

[arctic talon]

Are in that same armor

[rose thorn]

chaos won the crusade 5 more space marine minis must be released

[arctic talon]

https://preview.redd.it/now-who-or-what-is-this-cool-dead-guy-v0-ao21qz4cax3a1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=eba515262f4979889df00107e320d08403786089

[crystal forum]

yeah i know enforcers do

[arctic talon]

Tertium uses similar armor

For their enforcers

[storm jungle]

not enforcers im talking about the armor lol

[crystal forum]

but outside darktide it's not that armor

[arctic talon]

The chest is different

[storm jungle]

it is

we see it in rogue trader screenshots

which are very much not in munda

[arctic talon]

It’s not just munda gear

Yeah

That is one counter example yes

[storm jungle]

man this guy really just cannot stop being wanting to get nuked by me

hold on

[arctic talon]

From maladictum

[storm jungle]

Counter example

[arctic talon]

But there’s also a ton of enforcer groups that use similar gear to munda

[storm jungle]

also I put that image on lexi

so i revoke your ability to use it

GETOU-

[crystal forum]

anyways the idea that there's a standard armor for enforcers is dumb af

[storm jungle]

Too bad

[crystal forum]

this isn't the guard

[storm jungle]

either cope or get out

[arctic talon]

There isn’t a standard armor

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

It’s just a common style

[crystal forum]

these guys are basically PDF

[storm jungle]

They really arent

[arctic talon]

They’re not, they’re worse then the necromunda pdf

Explicitly

[storm jungle]

^

and again

depends from world to world

[crystal forum]

that just proves my point even further

their gear sucks

[storm jungle]

nope

[arctic talon]

Their gear is fine

[storm jungle]

anyway throw this guy in an iso-cube

[arctic talon]

They’re just not a military force

They could not contain the genestealer uprising on

The hive that didn’t get nuked

[crystal forum]

ha

[arctic talon]

Helmwar sicked the gangs and enforcers on the uprising

And they got crushed

So he had to get the PDF to handle it

[languid meadow]

I meannn I would've loved if terts enforcers had a diff style armour instead of just the mundas/bog standard

[crystal forum]

wait this is fantasy

[languid meadow]

would've been cool

[arctic talon]

They do

It’s just the helmet that’s the same

The Tertium ones got a totally different design for their body armor

[storm jungle]

Self-own.

[crystal forum]

there's just barely any art of enforcers because it's such a pleb role in most worlds

[storm jungle]

take your 🇱

and cease this

[crystal forum]

and i hate that people will think that just because palatines have art then ALL enforcers look like them

[storm jungle]

And no its just GW being bad worldbuilders

[crystal forum]

palatine enforcers are much better equipped than your standard shitty enforcer

[storm jungle]

They are just 1 example in a single world

its not impossible for other worlds to have even more OP Enforcer forces and so on

[rose thorn]

whats the monday reveals

[crystal forum]

then dont tell people it's a common armor

[rose thorn]

whats our guesses

[crystal forum]

we just dont have enough proof

[storm jungle]

We do with RT screenshots and Dorktide

either accept it or blow up

[languid meadow]

to me that's THE most important part to make good looking and it's a shame it's the same as as munda but hey what can you do

[crystal forum]

those are just games copying existing art

[storm jungle]

And its still official material

compared to what a tiny furry creature says on discord

[crystal forum]

and darktide very clearly used the palatine enforcer skins as a reference to the munda ones

[storm jungle]

get this little beast out of my office

[arctic talon]

The enforcers on alecto aren’t like munda enforcers

But they also literally have a SWAT team that looks like their pdf

lol

unsubtle reference GW

[storm jungle]

well they dont have Trumpmawr paying 90% of their budget

[celest dome]

Atoma is most likely basing stuff on Munda cause FS/GW want to sell cosmetics and referencing miniatures will net better sales

[storm jungle]

that too yeah

GW gets the final say on a lot of stuff in darktide

....if only the people knew....

[celest dome]

(Even in cases where the cosmetics is a trash decision and I don't understand why they picked that one)

[spring cairn]

I think I should get the final say

[storm jungle]

as long as it agrees with anything I say

[spring cairn]

depends If I agree with it

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

thats what i keep saying!!

[storm jungle]

well you're wrong

also gay

automatic-lose

[near wasp]

I got a notification that tomb world came out but it came from reddit

[arctic talon]

Lord Helmwar is in the ICU more then on his throne nowadays

[celest dome]

It depend on what they're saying that about

[storm jungle]

https://www.blacklibrary.com/prod-home/new/ebook-tomb-world-eng-2025.html

[celest dome]

I haven't read the whole discusion

[arctic talon]

Still shock to me

Tbh

He’s actually like

Kinda done

[storm jungle]

thats because Munda has actual consequences

and isnt like the main base lore

[near wasp]

Noice

[crystal forum]

munda could explode and it would have exactly 0 consequences

[storm jungle]

Not really the point dingleberry

its still the planet with most lore in 40k

and it isnt going anywhere

thats why its peak

[near wasp]

Omg

[storm jungle]

compared to most modern sloppa fiction these days

[crystal forum]

it needs more space marines

[storm jungle]

NO.

[crystal forum]

MORE slop

MORE

[near wasp]

Today's a good day more xenos book

[arctic talon]

Like genuinely insane to me

[storm jungle]

I THINK its on pre-order

[arctic talon]

They basically killed Helmwar

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-fuck-frustrated-gif-15331740

[celest dome]

Gotta kickstart a new familicide war for inheritance

[arctic talon]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/GxdjtDdWIAA19YB.gif

[storm jungle]

Yeah lmao

That was my reaction when I bought the corsair book

[crystal forum]

i wish squats had more lore on munda

[near wasp]

Me af

[storm jungle]

COMING OUT ON THE 1st

[arctic talon]

FUCK

[storm jungle]

they literally

got an entire book

what the hell 💀

[crystal forum]

when

[storm jungle]

a fucking year ago

it explains their ENTIRE origin, operations, clans etc

[crystal forum]

im talking about the prospectors

[storm jungle]

YEAH

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

[crystal forum]

somebody should update the wiki then

you

[storm jungle]

never

[celest dome]

🚬

[storm jungle]

also im pretty sure its updated

[celest dome]

Pretty much

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-gif-10558867

[storm jungle]

BRUH

[celest dome]

Think the only few things that are missing come from Malstrain Hive update

[storm jungle]

ITS RELEASING ON THE 10TH

FUCK

[crystal forum]

so do we still not know anything about their ancestor cores

[celest dome]

But not much was added for them specifically

[arctic talon]

It’s missing

They lost it

[near wasp]

I'm gonna cry myself to fucking sleep

[arctic talon]

Somehow

[storm jungle]

tectonic activity was the reason iirc

[crystal forum]

last time i checked it just wasn't revealed

[storm jungle]

it was lol

[near wasp]

It's so joe ver

[storm jungle]

they literally lost it

[celest dome]

(Vann Saar defenitely not living in it)

[storm jungle]

its why they went native

[near wasp]

This is why we don't trust reddit

[crystal forum]

see

[near wasp]

Why is he here. He lost!

[celest dome]

Kinda funny that you have:
Van Saar: Access to a Votaan Core
Esher: Access to Cloning tech
Goliath: Access to Vat growing and Gene editing
Delague: Access to a Psychoteric network and Xeno tech

And then:
Cawdor: Just a bunch of cultists
Orlock: Just the local Union

[crystal forum]

it's just a storm dick

[crystal forum]

vaan saar have an ancestor core?

[arctic talon]

The local union somehow has fucking Titanfall jump kits

[arctic talon]

Implied that their STC may or may not be the Votaan core

[celest dome]

All part of the benefit from the Union

[crystal forum]

but isnt the van saar ship from ancient times

[arctic talon]

It’s unclear which Van Saar origin is true

[celest dome]

Van Saar aren't tied to a ship iirc

[arctic talon]

If it’s the colony ship origin

[celest dome]

Esher are

[arctic talon]

Then it’s unrelated

[crystal forum]

isn't the colony ship so old that it predates even the DAOT

[arctic talon]

If it isn’t then the chance of it being a LoV core is higher

That’s one of their potential origins

Yes

[crystal forum]

and somebody might have survived from it

[arctic talon]

GW hasn’t given us a straight answer and Van Saar in universe fucking forgot

Where they came from

And they literally debate about which origin for them is true

[celest dome]

Did we never have the clown House miniatures ?

[valid needle]

Why they got fists exemplars, a second founding imperial fist successor in the ultramarine section💀

[arctic talon]

Error

[arctic talon]

We don’t have clown house miniatures yet

[celest dome]

I might be mad then

[arctic talon]

The noble house minis are cool

We have art of them

Of the clowns

[celest dome]

Dementia is hitting sooner than I'd have expected

[rocky gale]

😳

[crystal forum]

i wonder what's the human faction that has the most tech in 40k

[celest dome]

Some faction that got the hell out of the Milky way

[crystal forum]

is that ever confirmed?

[celest dome]

Not really

[valid needle]

The imperium because they killed everyone and took their shit.

[crystal forum]

i'm talking about smaller factions within and without the imperium

and includes abhumans like votaan

[valid needle]

Oh

Votaan

[celest dome]

Custodes, Mars, maybe Ryza

[storm jungle]

Votann 100%

[remote wadi]

Necrons that possessed humans tbh

[storm jungle]

*Humans

[crystal forum]

there has to be some tiny faction that has the most tech or something right

[remote wadi]

@storm jungle also I'm afraid of you

Ur a witch hunter and I'm a psyker

[crystal forum]

more like bitch hunter

[celest dome]

Isn't there that Rogue Trader that happened on Talarn and then fucked off cause the heresy was happening ?

Golden fleet or something

[crystal forum]

what's that story

[celest dome]

Basically Rogue Trader goes back to her home system, see that there are 2 forces invading (Traitor and loyalist), decide on shooting all the ships down, turn around and leave.
And she had a big fleet, a full Knight dynasty, some battle Automata, and SM tied to her loyalty

[storm jungle]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G13I_iKWEAAUk0l.gif

[celest dome]

What the link between a pangolin and an aquarium

[storm jungle]

what is it

[crystal forum]

god damn i just read up on it

what a weird event

lady just comes, sees then conquers

then leaves immediately

great crusade era rogue traders were really something else huh

[storm jungle]

they are the same as they are now

🫡

[remote wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/thousand-sons-song-rubric-of-ahriman-warhammer-40k-tragic-music-the-fall-of-prospero-ahriman’s-curse-gif-805565620693794133

[crystal forum]

they would conquer way more worlds i think

and loot a ton of archaeotech

[storm jungle]

a wealthy rogue trader can even now garner an entire crusade force

theres not much difference, just all about clout

[crystal forum]

i wish i had clout

[remote wadi]

Slaneesh is calling

[sacred bluff]

what are the strongest harlequins

solitaire?

[celest dome]

Solitaires

Troupe Masters can also be quite strong

[crystal forum]

man tallarn has so much background lore

of all regiments

just because of the HH battle

it even explains why they're specialized in tank warfare

[crystal forum]

regimentums

[storm jungle]

Tomatoh tomaetoe

[crystal forum]

imagine having HH art for your regimentum's planet

even cadia doesnt have that

in fact cadia's backstory sucks

[storm jungle]

I mean is it even art

its literally just a fire'y wasteland without any features

[arctic talon]

Those are also

miniatures

but like painted over sorta

Forgeworld loves that stuff

[storm jungle]

photoshop yeah

anyway Tallarn literally has like barely any lore

the HH stuff also just adds nothing

"world was good, now it blew up"

[opaque coyote]

Tbf Cadia's speciality was that it just so happened to be a fortress in-between the Imperium and

Hell

...

Actually there's barely any difference between the two but you get the poi-

Like seriously the only thing that would be different for the average person in a Daemon World is that shit is more random

So instead of being shot by an Enforcer for sprinkling rat meat on your tasteless rations

You'll just be turned inside out

For like zero reason

It's worse

But only slightly so

But that's off topic

Anyways, the only thing really significant about Cadia was the Pylons

Besides that I think it's basically just described as mostly Earth-like in terms of geography

God imagine Imperium Tourist Brochures to planets

Travel agencies

And all that

[arctic talon]

Also its proximity to the eye

lol

[opaque coyote]

I do have to wonder though

Do the existence of like "Cruise Spaceships" exist

[arctic talon]

No

Space travel in 40K isn’t for luxury purposes normally

[opaque coyote]

I just realize how dumb I worded that but you get the point

[opaque coyote]

True. But also I expect some type of luxury wing for nobles who want to travel

[arctic talon]

That’s just ships in 40K

Officers get nicer cabins

Ect.

[opaque coyote]

So if you want to travel off planet. You'd probably have to be rich, an employee, or pressed into service

[vagrant fox]

I don't know why but I was certain that the Akkan Battlecruiser from Sins of a Solar Empire was 40k specific for a moment

[opaque coyote]

I can imagine Ship Schedules exist

But they're also kinda free form

Like "Expected to arrive in 4-6 months"

[arctic talon]

There’s much more hardset stuff for in system transport

Short distance travel is def more consistent

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I kinda wonder what counts as short distance.

Like would traveling to like the system next door

Let's say, similar to how far Alpha Centauri is from Earth

4 Light Years

Would a warp trip be equivalent to like a short car ride

[remote wadi]

If tau can do it is short distance

[nocturne crest]

So odd question, but could the imperium survive without Terra if the throne did fail?

Or would it just fracture apart into multiple human empires.

[opaque coyote]

Most likely fracture

Since if the Throne fails

A) It won't just be Terra, it'd be the entire solar system being disintegrated. So that would include the Throne World, Mars, etc.

B) A new eye of terror would open up.

C) May or may not make an entirely new God.

[storm jungle]

Thats basically the eventual fate of the Imperium.

[opaque coyote]

Honestly I think it would be more interesting that way but nooo

[storm jungle]

yes

[storm jungle]

it would just need the Emperor rise up to be a new god in the warp to still kinda be a deity + become the new astronomican

which is pretty easily said and done tbh

people wont really give too much of a shit as long as Big E is still around

[opaque coyote]

Honestly had the idea of Big E kinda being shattered into multiple different fragments

He's already inconsistent, might as well make it literal

[storm jungle]

Prob also works. The key is to still allow people to play their tabletop armies.

[nocturne crest]

Silly Thought, but what the emperor created another terra, like that old theory about there being two earths around the sun that can't see each other.

[languid meadow]

Oh okay.... Lmfao???? (Absolute evil issue 1)

[storm jungle]

IS THAT ECONOMOS

[storm jungle]

Hes a plot armorium psyker, pretty possible

[nocturne crest]

Green Arrow.

[storm jungle]

Aw man

[nocturne crest]

Green Arrow vs Absolute Epstein.

[storm jungle]

💀

[sacred bluff]

angwywon

[nocturne crest]

I just realised, but how fucked would it be if the emperor got the nails into him?

[sacred bluff]

he'd be fine

[remote wadi]

Honestly I think if big E died and turned into a god humanity would be 100% doomed

Like humans would be the next eldari

I think my stocks are either on necrons or tau when it comes to sustainability

I think humans are inevitably doomed like the eldari

[dark moon]

Khârn, I want a skull throne. Build me a skull throne Khârn.

Betrayer was such a peak book.

[remote wadi]

The emperor is a great Psyker the nails prolly wouldn't even work

[arctic talon]

He’s gona become the dark king if he ascends into a God

[remote wadi]

Then destroyed by necrons

Easy peasy

I think not having a warp connection is the strongest power you can have

(said by a Psyker main)

[sacred bluff]

i came across a video titled "why space marines can't be women" 🙄

one comment was like "the space marines only used the emperor's dna so females wouldn't be compatible"

I guess they just forgot about Erda

[remote wadi]

I don't mean to be sexist here

But like in the tabletop do whatever customs you want

But in the lore that would be a slaneesh tentation for them

[sacred bluff]

no it wouldn't because space marines don't have any sort of sexual urges

[remote wadi]

Also don't space marines get their reproductive organs removed

[arctic talon]

No

They’re just chemically castrated

Due to the process

Which was likely intentional

[remote wadi]

I guess chemically castrating woman is more controversial than man

[arctic talon]

Because custodes are also sterile

[arctic talon]

The emperor did not want his transhuman killing machines reproducing beyond what was necessary for his whole conqueror the galaxy thing

Is the answer

He had replacements/upgrades lined up for the marines before the heresy broke out

[remote wadi]

But yeah I'm not against female marines on the tabletop tho

[arctic talon]

I’m not even talking about that rn

Tbh

[sacred bluff]

are you against them in the lore

[remote wadi]

Mostly cause it is a huge change tho

Also we already have battle sisters and sisters of silence

U couldn't make them male neither

[sacred bluff]

it's only a huge change to the angry male fanbase

[sacred ginkgo]

Sisters of silent might as well not exist, they have like 4 units and only exist as a subfaction

[arctic talon]

GW took them out back and blew their knees off in heresy

lol

[remote wadi]

As a tau player I disagree the kroot are few but usefull

[sacred bluff]

when it comes to genetically enhanced humans, making a female space marine don't seem that crazy

[remote wadi]

I just think in terms of lore writting it would raise some questions

[arctic talon]

GW could have done it with primaris

But they chose not to

So I think they’ll go longer without it

[remote wadi]

Especially on the biology of space marines

[arctic talon]

Unless 40K goes the way of whfb of literally being so unprofitable

It’s killing the company

lol

[remote wadi]

Since woman do have more maliable organ connections than man

[arctic talon]

What

You know what

Don’t answer that

[remote wadi]

I'm saying this based on my wife's pregnancy

Like the baby does move her organs slightly and I'm aware my organs would be mashed if it happaned

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

Its basically just a thing due to legacy lore

aka "they have been guys forever, if we changed it people would get upset"

you can build planet destroying super-weapons but you cannot split chromosomes, makes sense

[sacred bluff]

let the men be mad!!!

[storm jungle]

We can feast on the femtodes outrage for now 😔

[sacred bluff]

thank god for the wokeness in here

space marine 2 server had it's fair share of losers voicing outrage during the femstodes

and maybe it's worse in other chats

but this one is nice 😌

[storm jungle]

It absolutely is believe me lol

[nocturne crest]

Was there any rage about the female knight in DOW 3 when that released?

[arctic talon]

No

Because Knights have been either gender since their existence

[sacred bluff]

like knight pilot?

[arctic talon]

Aside from a single house who had a whole thing

lol

[sacred bluff]

yea i was about to say

the pilots don't matter

[storm jungle]

technically

their first codex said it can only be male pilots

[arctic talon]

I’m not counting the 6e codex

[storm jungle]

then they changed it next edition

[arctic talon]

Because it got changed in under a year

lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah because its stupid

[arctic talon]

It also got contradicted even sooner before the 7e codex

Because of a short story

With a female knight baron

[storm jungle]

Im 99% sure some guy in the studio pushed for the male pilots thing before just being completely ignored lol

[sacred bluff]

i'm still waiting for the pre-order of assassinorum kingmaker collector's edition to be released

it'll be my first

it literally has so much lore packed into it when it comes to the spirit of the machine

[arctic talon]

Femstodes literally were a thing they wanted to do from the start as well from the rare interviews we got lol

But the minis were already done

So they just decided not to

[sacred bluff]

i lowkey wonder how henry cavill feels about it

[arctic talon]

Until the 10e codex

[arctic talon]

Probably doesn’t care

Idk

[sacred bluff]

god i hope so

[arctic talon]

Custodes are so new to the lore anyways

They literally didn’t exist in their current form before 2018

Sorry 2017

[rose thorn]

Hey what do hearts mean in eldar culture?

They are kinda scattered about

[sacred bluff]

it means love 🥹

[arctic talon]

For beil-tan the symbol is about rebirth

For other hearts Idfk

[surreal nest]

this was my one chance to actually someone and you took it

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-crushed-meme-lady-gaga-spongebob-gif-13980278704109625417

[rose thorn]

i believe they retconned it by saying like "oh yeah jsu tthese two kngith houses are sexist"

[arctic talon]

Nah

The 6e codex was all knight houses

The specifically sexist knight house still existed in that codex

[valid needle]

They won’t do it at all probably

[opaque coyote]

Funniest retcon ngl

Although I could believe it

"Why didn't the Emperor make female Space Marines?"

"He's sexist."

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[young pecan]

How much pain do you think Ghillie Man would have saved if he just added a disclaimer to the Codex saying to take it with a grain of salt

[young pecan]

"Only men will received my seed."

[valid needle]

He likes big muscly men is all

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, my complicated in-universe reasoning is that

Geneseed simply augments what's there.

While Custodes is completely changing the soul and genome

And since Men have a higher capacity for muscular strength.

Only male SMs are allowed as a result.

[radiant lance]

I just think:
Male primarchs = male SM

[opaque coyote]

probably also that as well

but

like

im cooler

[unique bronze]

Didnt Uncle Malc midly suggest to Big E to make some of the primarchs women

Just so that theyd get along better

[radiant lance]

Which is why my head canon is that the two lost primarchs are women
Daddy Emps struck them from record after dealing with all the mommy memes for a century

[opaque coyote]

...god imagine Perturabo as a woman

[radiant lance]

🍆

[opaque coyote]

All that salt and autism dialed up to 11

[unique bronze]

be funny ngl

[opaque coyote]

Because apparently autism affects women differently, but the research is somewhat sparse due to a combination of sexism and also ableism

fun combo

[radiant lance]

Which is also my type of woman

[unique bronze]

Would definitely be an interesting "what if" scenario

[winter pine]

I think someone made a fairly popular AU on the gimmick of the primarchs being women although it kinda devolved into gooner posting lmao

This was like 2022ish, I think

[opaque coyote]

Yeah... unfortunately the dude who did that got terminal cancer

[radiant lance]

Just go on the primarch GF subreddit

[winter pine]

Really? Horrible to hear about anyone getting that

[unique bronze]

based

[winter pine]

tomboy perturabo

[opaque coyote]

It's genuinely fucking sad.

Also they're not a dude

I was mistaken

She's actually female

Why did I think she was male

...

oh right gooning

[opaque coyote]

Because I have no idea how to get past this

Uh

Yeah idk what Malcador was cooking by having the idea of making some of them female

That would just make them from sons with father issues

To sons and daughters with father issues

[radiant lance]

Daddy issues everywhere

[raven stone]

She is doing God’s work by making certain segments of the fan base ANGY.

[winter pine]

Call me crazy Malcador but I don't think it would have made much of a difference if your bro's demigod warlords were women instead of men

[opaque coyote]

New Warhammer 40k AU idea

What if the Emperor was actually a decent Dad

[winter pine]

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

[opaque coyote]

Actually if the Emperor was less shitty, who would actually be prevented

I think Angron wouldn't turn traitor if the Emperor at least

Tried

LORGAR wouldn't either

[winter pine]

A less shitty emperor might have just mercy killed Angron

[opaque coyote]

Horus got stabbed by the poop knife and the Chaos Gods stabbed on his insecurities several times

So he still would

Same with Fulgrim

[opaque coyote]

Probably.

Either that or tried to remove the nails

Even if it's like a 10% chance type of thing

Cause either way is sort of a win/win.

For Angron at least

[raven stone]

And actually leveled Deshea instead of saying “oh look Guilliman already persuaded them to join.”
If Emps is supposed to be a tyrant he wouldn’t let a world so easily get away with mutilating one of his own sons, even if only because of the political statement that would imply.

[opaque coyote]

Perturabo probably wouldn't turn. One of his greviances was literally wanting proper praise for his work.

Although he'd still be a huge asshole

So who fucking knows.

Idk about Mortarion. I don't know too much about him. He might have his brain broken over finally getting a Dad that cares about him.

[raven stone]

Magnus will be forced to turn, because Tzeentch dickery

[opaque coyote]

True

Magnus's situation was unavoidable

Not because of the Emperor, although he didn't help.

But because Magnus was just a dumbass

And snotty

[raven stone]

Fulgrim will also turn, due to sword shenanigans

[winter pine]

I forget if Necare was going to legitimately kill Mortarian when the Emperor found him