40k-lore-chat

[tough haven]

My car rn

[near wasp]

I need to get a purity seal for my microphone

[tough haven]

But I mostly do it as a bit

[near wasp]

Eventually the bit because real tho

[tough haven]

Or if something works when it shouldn’t I’ll be like “Praise the omnissiah!”

[tough haven]

I know, I gotta keep an eye on that

[near wasp]

It's too late

It has been foreseen

[tough haven]

When we start transhumanizing in earnest I’ll convert lol

[near wasp]

Honestly I've always like augmetics

So if the chance arose for true bionics I'm doing it

[tough haven]

I wouldn’t because surgery is like one of my worst fears

But if I needed to I would

[near wasp]

Eh I don't really fear needles or the knife particularly

What I'm fearful of is halocinigens

So as long as I don't get cyber phycosis I'll be good

[tough haven]

Well for me the going under part of surgery is what I’m afraid of

[near wasp]

It's a completely understandable fear tbh

[tough haven]

I don’t like anything taking away control over my body

[near wasp]

I mean on the bright side if you were in 40k you'd be kept awake for the surgery

[tough haven]

Cause yourself and your actions is really all you truly can control in the world

[tough haven]

It’s ironic, I’m a nurse that’s afraid of needles and surgery

Needles not so much cause I gotta get poked like 8 times a year for my job

Blood draws still freak me out

But less so after like 5 of them

But vaccinations or injections are no problem, that’s at least quick, blood draws you gotta sit there for a while

[near wasp]

Tbh your still helping people good on you

[tough haven]

Oh I have no problem doing it to other people

[near wasp]

Ah

[tough haven]

Obviously there’s a different fear of not causing undue harm or doing it wrong

But that’s a helpful fear

[tough haven]

I just hate it being done to me

When you start studying medicine it tends to start making you really aware of your body, and not in a good way

Like borderline hypochondriac

[tough haven]

There’s nothing worse than feeling someone flinch or jerk and you can feel it move the needle around, or them flex the muscle your injecting into, and you just know it had to hurt

Anyways, surgery in 40K would be horrible

[near wasp]

Oh the worse

The mechanics don't believe in aesthetics

[daring creek]

I love getting my blood drawn

Like yaaaay my blood is in a tube!!!!! And they're going to spin it around to seperate the blood and plasma!!!!

Yay!!!!

I think butterfly needles are my favorite. Theres a specific kind of extra clean smell I heavily associate with the doctors office.

I like seeing them pull out a new needle to use. Its just satisfying

The only downside is they ususally need to draw blood from my left arm

Which is my dominant arm

[tough haven]

You’re an interesting creature

[normal light]

You don't understand their potential

Harvest their blood!

[tough haven]

Next time you get your blood drawn, right before they start,say something like “wait, you forgot your red crayon” then when they ask “what for”
“Well, how else are you gonna draw blood?”

The phlebotomists are work are definitely not tired of hearing me say that every time I see them

And it does not make them pull out the Extra Blunt Needle™️

[misty vector]

Hehe

Doesnt translate well into my language sadly

[jagged tree]

https://youtube.com/shorts/4gYSQOZh7Xk?feature=share

[rocky gale]

Oh the Darcy on Warcom is a guy, always weird seeing a guy with that name

[tough haven]

I might have overcooked him

[shadow chasm]

and they can't spit acid i believe

all things considering, pretty chill gene flaws to have

[daring creek]

Evil

[wintry scarab]

Would this apothecary be first company? ive seen some Ultramarine apothecaries wear blue armour but then some like this one wear full white. Is there a reason for this?

[storm jungle]

Inconsistency, nothing else

Librarians are blue, Apoths are white and Techboys are red

[arctic talon]

Both are valid schemes it’s just that white is codex compliant.

Apothocaries ect. aren’t assigned to a proper company.

[celest dome]

I thought the colour was whether or not they were head Apothecary or not

[arctic talon]

No

They should be always in white armor under the codex but

Chapters ignore this all the time

lol

[pulsar stump]

It's because he's an Apothecary.

They're supposed to be that colour.

[left talon]

Hmmm maybe we shouldn’t put out medics in all white then they are super easy to spot and shoot

Space marine probably

[arctic talon]

Tbf

Marines don’t wear camo

Mostly

They do sometimes but it’s more often for them to be in parade colors lmao

[left talon]

Raptors and Raven Guard in the corner being stealthy while the other chapters just throw confetti colours at the enemy

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/200000-units-are-ready-million-more-well-on-the-way-gif-15836182220374518965

[left talon]

Damn the Iron Hands got unlucky

How do all of your succesors have better names

[storm jungle]

LOL

[pulsar stump]

Because the bar touches the floor.

[rose thorn]

i dont realy understands the angels revenant chapter, i feel like they are missing a part of their lore?

well also htey aer all dead so i guess it dotn matter

[arctic talon]

They’re not all dead

Iirc

Some of them lived

[rose thorn]

fair

[crystal forum]

thank you for a resolution high enough to see the names clearly

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/a-winning-cat-gif-22691231

[daring creek]

I love cats so much.

I loooooooveee cats

[wintry scarab]

Didnt they put out an official animation not long ago where you had a apothecary ultramarine wearing blue? Is there a reason for that one being blue? Or was it just as simple as style choice? I also dont know why i thought apothecaries were assigned to companies.

[arctic talon]

The apothecary just wants to wear blue

[wintry scarab]

Im looking at pics of him now and im pretty sure i thought apothecaries were part of companies because this guy looks like hes part of a company.

[languid meadow]

it's a weird inconsistency with them

they just do what they like

wait that's the wrong art piece

I had a piece saved that showed a chapter coloured apoth

now I can't find it

holy fraud

[storm jungle]

Yeah like I said its just inconsistency

dont think so hard about it

[storm jungle]

Also saved

[rocky gale]

Saw it on Facebook of all places and had to find a website that would let me rip it from the site

[crystal forum]

is this what blood bowl is like

[arctic talon]

Kinda yeah

[crystal forum]

i would buy a bioshock book

i wouldn't read it but i would buy it

[storm jungle]

Saving lmao

[opaque coyote]

I think Atlas Shrugged is sad because Ayn Rand expects people to actually be somewhat generous in some regard

It goes against her philosophy

But also like

They expect people to do things like firefighting without being paid

Tbf firefighters need more appreciation in general but still

Like it is a dangerous job. I ain't putting myself in danger without at least getting money

That's partially why Rapture collapsed tbh.

Like there were zero social services.

You needed to pay all of it out of pocket

At least the healthcare must've at least been worth the money since they have literal gene editing drugs

Still have no idea about the canonicity of Vita Chambers

Like

Vita Chambers basically defy death. They literally invented immortality and did nothing with it.

Which I find funny as fuck

Although I think it's social commentary that it literally only works if you're part of the ruler's bloodline.

Like they invented immortality and made it exclusive to THE elite

And to nobody else

No idea how people find BioShock apolitical

That's literally a fucking hammer onto your skull

[opaque coyote]

Actually genuine question for y'all.

If you were allowed one Plasmid with zero side effects (both on getting it and refilling using Eve)

What would you pick?

Tonics from Columbina and passive Plasmids (aka Gene Tonics) are also an option btw

[vagrant fox]

the only thing I did in bioshock was walk around and take pictures of fish

which one lets me do that best

[remote wadi]

Guys as I keep playing psyker I started to have a very specific question I don't seem to find an answer to

Why do psykers do the specific gesture they do to queil

[crystal forum]

no, ayn rand sincerely believed that altruism was a curse on the human condition

[arctic talon]

Likely something taught or instinctual

[unique bronze]

Afaik, Psykers are trained to do ritualistic movements or mantras to concentrate

[arctic talon]

Or self learned

Yeah

[crystal forum]

in her system firefighters would be hired by the great people she so loved

[remote wadi]

Makes sense, cause it does look cool but lime Warhammer tends to have lore answers to everything so I was surprised there was no books or sources on it

[arctic talon]

Well

The issue is that they’re unsanctioned psykers

[crystal forum]

finding concrete answers in 40k? impossible

[arctic talon]

They’re not trained

lol

[unique bronze]

Wouldn't it depend on their backstory

[remote wadi]

I mean I got an answer for pretty much everything about my tau empire

[crystal forum]

anyways there's no hard magic system in 40k. there's no specific set of hand movements that psykers do to magic

[remote wadi]

But I mean xenos are underexplored in comparison to humankind and chaos

[languid meadow]

fantasy and aos spoil us with a decent magic system

[arctic talon]

40k’s magic is

[remote wadi]

I mean I don't like psykers cause they are mages
I like psykers cause they use chaos and chaos kills them before using them

[arctic talon]

Very vague lol

[near wasp]

magic in 40k is alot about symbolism and feeling

[arctic talon]

Well they’re not sanctioned and trained by the telepathica is my point

The way they like

[crystal forum]

it varies widely

[arctic talon]

Physically use their psychic abilities should be more varied

But it’s whatever

[crystal forum]

it very much is whatever a writer wants

[remote wadi]

They should allow us to buy quail cosmetic gestures

[crystal forum]

there's also types of magic which work separately from the norm

like runes

[arctic talon]

The way I flavored my PC Psyker getting rid of warp charge in Dark heresy

[crystal forum]

and a language that can throw a primarch across a room by saying 1 word

[arctic talon]

Was that they’d grip onto their other arm really tightly lol

[crystal forum]

but that's apparently not something worth investigating to the imperium

[arctic talon]

Enuncia isn’t real

Smh

[languid meadow]

then there's the "science" of the necrons

[arctic talon]

Also the issue with it is speaking it literally can just kill you

lol

[crystal forum]

yeah it blows up your mouth or something lol

[languid meadow]

40k thuum

[crystal forum]

i wish we could have a lore consistency on where this shit comes from

did a god create nuncia?

who creates runes?

[arctic talon]

Eldar

Well

We know the eldar have a fuck ton of runes

It’s likely the old ones

Who made it

Or maybe the eldar made them

[crystal forum]

nuncia or runes

[arctic talon]

We dunno

Runes

[languid meadow]

twice in a row

impressive

[arctic talon]

Auto corrects a bitch

[remote wadi]

Honestly one thing I always found weird is how tzeentch doesn't just use psykers to his will

[arctic talon]

They try

lol

[crystal forum]

nuncia being invented by ancient humans would be the funniest thing

[arctic talon]

lol

It could be

We just have 0 lore on it

[crystal forum]

like we have sprinkled lore here and there that ancient humanity was actually pretty powerful

[arctic talon]

We have way more lore on runes because eldar use them

Lmao

[crystal forum]

and by ancient i mean pre history

[arctic talon]

The Tower of Babel was real and built with enuncia

And then olanius blew it the fuck up

[languid meadow]

holy shit you just reminded me of the conspiracy theory

[crystal forum]

aliens created the pyramids type shit

[arctic talon]

Because he didn’t trust the emperor

Yeah

[remote wadi]

I mean if the god emperor refused to show himself for quite a long time acting in the shadows I imagine how humans were

[arctic talon]

And honestly olanius was right

[languid meadow]

where they built the pyramids using fucking SOUND

[arctic talon]

To not trust the emperor

Lmao

[arctic talon]

wtf lol

[near wasp]

yes the necrons did

[crystal forum]

nah emperor was pretty active in the ancient world

he was alexander the great

that's pretty big involvement with history

[languid meadow]

https://youtube.com/shorts/UVMmfQmXQ7M?si=Gs9bHVI9Y3m0m5ns

[arctic talon]

The emperor chilled the fuck out later on

[remote wadi]

I'm talking when he trapped the dragon in mars that made the mechanics religion after milenia

[arctic talon]

DAOT was too much smoke for him

lol

[remote wadi]

That story was like first of all wtf

Second of all god emperor at the time wasn't even a known entity

[crystal forum]

my theory is humanity was so huge during DAOT that emperor's actions just had much less impact no matter how big they were

[remote wadi]

Or perhaps he already was in chaos

[arctic talon]

We dunno what exactly the dragon of mars is

Because the lore of it was written pre necron retcon

lol

And it’s sure as fuck not the entire void dragon now

Like it was originally written

[crystal forum]

how did he get to mars is my question

emp

[languid meadow]

If it is a shard of VD it would be cool but it would be cooler if it wasn't

aura

that's how

plot

[remote wadi]

Homie is a literal god in chaos and Ur question is how did he achieve space travel?

[languid meadow]

well he wasn't near godhood yet

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

it's the one thing we havent seen him do

[languid meadow]

he was just a powerful psyker/perpetual

[arctic talon]

He also didn’t become a chaos god

yet

[remote wadi]

But if he is a god in chaos he always was

[vital ginkgo]

Does everyone in ultramar have cool names like "Demetrian Titus" and "Valorum Gadriel" or are these names given to them when they join the ultramarines?

[arctic talon]

He’s not a chaos god yet

The ascension hasn’t begun yet

[crystal forum]

ultramar is a system with many cultures

[languid meadow]

ok so how time works in the warp is that it doesn't

[remote wadi]

Slaneesh wasn't and was in chaos at the same time

[languid meadow]

Slaanesh didn't exist until they were birthed

[unique bronze]

There's Sicarius Cato, pretty unhinged dude

[languid meadow]

but

[vital ginkgo]

So does everyone have cool names or no?

[languid meadow]

when they were, they existed across all time

it's confusing

doesn't make sense

[crystal forum]

everyone in 40k has cool names

pedro

[remote wadi]

My take is god emperor existed across all time and he was the one manipulating himself in the matirium to become him

The issue is he may be the dark king

Gosh the lore of Warhammer is too confusing

[languid meadow]

the two plot points that are never getting anything ever again are both the yellow king and dark king

[crystal forum]

emp was powerful but not god level powerful

he failed a lot in the later years

[remote wadi]

I mean what's accepted in the lore community does the emperor see primarks as just tools or actual sons

[crystal forum]

say it right: king in yellow
we can't ignore how it's literally copied from a book

[languid meadow]

both

[unique bronze]

Prolly both

[languid meadow]

typing too fast I missed it

[remote wadi]

Cause if he sees them as just tools then the making some of them fall into chaos for a greater porpose would make sense

[languid meadow]

LIke in the end to him they're tools but he does seem to love some of them

I mean he loved Horus

but they're still tools

[crystal forum]

there's pretty much no way to be informed about the emp's actions and not come to the conclusion that he's a terrible person

[languid meadow]

like how you love a hammer you've had for years

[crystal forum]

so that's a starting point

[languid meadow]

big man bad

[remote wadi]

I mean the emperor is an awful person but he is the only thing keeping humanity

[languid meadow]

I mean now he is

but before he came around there were many human civs that were thriving

[crystal forum]

rn yeah because of macguffin reasons

[remote wadi]

I mean what chances do humans without the emperor have agaisnt necrons and eldari

[crystal forum]

eldar are the one faction that mostly just want to be left alone

[languid meadow]

the only one you need to worry about it dark eldar

and they can be beaten with actual coordination

[remote wadi]

And that's not even considering how easy it would be for us to fall into chaos

[near wasp]

the emperor is being a light house

[crystal forum]

necrons have plans to do stuff when they reawaken in 10k years but honestly they infight so much that i expect them to civil war eachother to death

[remote wadi]

Like for god sake just to understand how the emperor works I already feel like I felt to tzeentch

[near wasp]

without that humanity is on the brink of extinction

[languid meadow]

the imperium is a larger boon to chaos than any of the human civs were

[crystal forum]

the emp literally caused the shittification of the galaxy

if it wasn't for the HH then chaos would be much less powerful

[languid meadow]

like im not gonna pretend it was great for everyone like the imperium did help some planets

but overall shit went south

[unique bronze]

Werent Humans just technically advanced as well before Big E decided to be an Emperor

[remote wadi]

I mean if the deal he made with he chaos gods to make the primarks wasn't retconned just yet, he signed for it

[languid meadow]

DAOT yeah they were at the top before calamity after calamity

[crystal forum]

lots of planets were more advanced than even the imperium

[unique bronze]

I wouldnt say theyre technically helpless without him before

[remote wadi]

Yes but they were prolly more like tau

[languid meadow]

more so

[remote wadi]

Aka they had tech but they would be easily no diffed by necrons

[crystal forum]

what we know is humanity was very fragmented during the DAOT

[languid meadow]

it's implied that DAOT humans created artificial worlds

[crystal forum]

there was no single empire

[unique bronze]

Well Necros didnt have AI afaik

[languid meadow]

I mean they didn't need it

[remote wadi]

Didn't AI almost ruin humanity

[crystal forum]

he signed for a lot of things which he somehow didnt expect to cash in later

[languid meadow]

when your scientists can see through time, calculate faster than an atom can split

you dont need AI

[remote wadi]

To be honest necrons kinda are AI

They don't have souls and they have advanced processing and they are mechanically imortal

[crystal forum]

AI partly what caused the age of strife yeah

we dont know how much though

[unique bronze]

Didnt they used to be like humanoids tho, before looking like what they are now

[crystal forum]

we dont have art of necrontyr

but they prob looked similar to their robot forms

they were a very sickly race

[crystal forum]

no it's not AI

it's full on people

[arctic talon]

We do have art of Necrontyr

Really

[remote wadi]

Yes but after they made the deal with c'tan are they even the same thing

[arctic talon]

One moment

It’s vague

[remote wadi]

I mean in Warhammer every living creature has a soul

[crystal forum]

they were still necrontyr until they turned to metal

[remote wadi]

And then necrons dont

[arctic talon]

But you can see their flesh bodies

In that art

[languid meadow]

well the soul and personhood are separate in 40k

[crystal forum]

ofc they look human lol

[unique bronze]

I think it depnds on the PoV imo

[languid meadow]

Necrons (yes even the warriors) are still people under all that metal and code

in 40k you don't reallly need a soul to be a person

[crystal forum]

necrons have sort of a soul or something

[unique bronze]

If their mind was just copied over to a new body id liek to think its still them in a different vessel

[arctic talon]

They have a personality engram

Which might as well be their soul

[crystal forum]

we just know they arent AI

[arctic talon]

It’s not warp based

[remote wadi]

I guess they have a soul it's just that their soul is in the materium

[arctic talon]

They’re literally digitized minds

There’s nothing artificial about them

You cannot make a new necron mind

[languid meadow]

every necron around was born and raised over 60M years ago

[crystal forum]

according to stellaris you can

heheh

[remote wadi]

Actually that's one of their inconsistencies

[languid meadow]

the only thing they can create at this point is constructs

[unique bronze]

their memories and ambition sort of continue in the new body in sense right

[remote wadi]

Why are they all born in the same time but most of them aren't flaid minds yet

[languid meadow]

sleep

[crystal forum]

they were eeping

most

[languid meadow]

the great sleep stopped most of their defects

[crystal forum]

but they do go crazy over time when awake

[languid meadow]

destroyers are a loss of self to the point where everything must be destroyed and the flayer virus is uh

[crystal forum]

the silent king is said to have been awake the whole time

[languid meadow]

spooky god magic

[crystal forum]

but who tf knows if that guy is real

[remote wadi]

Wasn't he confirmed and back to the setting

[languid meadow]

destroyers are the only "natural" affliction

[crystal forum]

he's not fully trustworthy

[remote wadi]

Like isn't the whole necrons on necrons conflict about it

[languid meadow]

I mean he just got a book which I still need to read

[crystal forum]

he kind of just appeared back into the galaxy and proclaimed himself king

[languid meadow]

my goat

[crystal forum]

supposedly he spent the millions of years outside the galaxy

which is... convenient

[remote wadi]

He is a necrons that wants to make the necrons go back to flesh

[languid meadow]

Glory to Szarekh Last of the Silent Kings

[remote wadi]

It makes sense he prolly tried to go to other galaxy to find something similar to his old species

Like a suitable host

[languid meadow]

humans

he needs humanity

[remote wadi]

Nah humans are too warp defective

[crystal forum]

no necrons are actively testing on humans a lot

[nocturne crest]

I wonder how the Imperium would react to Mankind's possible fate of becoming the Toclafane from Doctor Who.

[crystal forum]

it's a big plot point

in the animations

and ofc everything must be human related in 40k

[remote wadi]

I mean but weren't they doing those experiments under the other necrons leader

That actually thinks they are the superior existance

[languid meadow]

Humans are the only species really prominent enough to take over as their bodies

[remote wadi]

And does those for curiosity

[languid meadow]

like you have to remember Necrons aren't really limited on numbers like Eldar

[crystal forum]

yeah there's prob billions of necrons still sleeping or smth

[languid meadow]

there's still billions of them but most are sleeping/dormant, Eldar are too few/too pyskery

Tua don't live very long

orks are orks

[crystal forum]

also eldar are their sworn enemy

[remote wadi]

And they can't even abuse their powers or they get slaneeshed

[languid meadow]

yeah

[crystal forum]

eldar dont really have many powers to abuse

they're a dying race

[remote wadi]

Can't wait for the plot where necrons almost end eldari then they die to slaneesh and their god of death manifests

Maybe in 40 years from now

[languid meadow]

It's just humans have the numbers and compatibility to be taken over

[remote wadi]

👀

[languid meadow]

never happening

[crystal forum]

necrons have anti warp tech

they do not care

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

we dont do plot progession here

[crystal forum]

also this yeah

at most we might get new tabletop units for necrons that are fleshy

[remote wadi]

But the tau are lore progression

[crystal forum]

i do think that plot will lead somewhere

[remote wadi]

They already made anti space marine tech

[crystal forum]

and it will have no major consequence on the galaxy

[languid meadow]

minor stuff happens all the time

even the lion coming back hasn't led to anything really

besides nihilus being less

ass

[crystal forum]

it's important to remember how big cadia exploding was

[languid meadow]

since they have an angry Tywin Lannister

[crystal forum]

like GW is still talking about it like 6 years later

[remote wadi]

Warhammer the game where we will create lore plots for the sake of a figure and then never progress it

[languid meadow]

I mean that was cabal

[crystal forum]

that's 40k yeah

just remember that the plot rn is moving faster than it has ever before

[languid meadow]

there's the fact that the throne wont last another 100 years which I bet will never get touched again considering the ending to that novel

[crystal forum]

even at its current glacial speed

so stuff is happening

[remote wadi]

I think eventually they gonna have to end Warhammer 40 k

[crystal forum]

but it's space marine related

[remote wadi]

And release Warhammer 50k

[languid meadow]

or cawl will just touch it and fix it instantly

[crystal forum]

not happening until 40k dies

[languid meadow]

the only reason fantasy was ended is because it was selling like ass

40k is still insanely popular and getting even more so

esp with stuff from amazon

[crystal forum]

also we pretty much are rn in a new phase of 40k

we're in the dark imperium era

[arctic talon]

Fantasy literally got outsold by a single LOTR mini and space marine mini

lol

[languid meadow]

lmfao

[arctic talon]

The LOTR Orcs outsold the tactical marine kit

[remote wadi]

To be fair I'm a xeno main and even I acknowledge space marines are cool

[languid meadow]

well it's LOTR

[arctic talon]

And the tactical marine kit outsold all of WHFB consistently

[languid meadow]

well of course they're cool

but we can still grumble when they take EVERYTHING

[crystal forum]

they're definitely what sells

[languid meadow]

and other factions get sidelined

[arctic talon]

Anyways point being whfb was literally a rotting corpse

By the time it got old yellered

lol

[remote wadi]

I mean Tau does have some development as of recent

[languid meadow]

I think at most we'll have an imperium split

[arctic talon]

Every faction gets development

Randomly

Tbh

[remote wadi]

And chaos is getting more lore on the emperor's son things

But yeah eldari lore is just dying out as the species

[arctic talon]

Not really

[languid meadow]

development is different to plot progression

[remote wadi]

And necron lore is in a constant state of the same loop but new story

[arctic talon]

Eldar have gotten new lore

lol

[languid meadow]

factions can get new stuff but the galaxy is big and it wont affect the wider story

stuff like the necron civil war while big is still not big enough to affect the rest of the plot

also

[remote wadi]

The warp bone retcon was not accepted

[languid meadow]

nothing has happened with that

[arctic talon]

It wasn’t a retcon

For one

[languid meadow]

like we haven't gotten much on the civil war in a bit and that pisses me off

[arctic talon]

It was just really shittily worded

I’ve literally read the new eldar codex

And eldar have gotten new lore

Besides that

So

[remote wadi]

Fair

[arctic talon]

But no one talks about it

lol

Because it’s boring?

[remote wadi]

We need an eldari videogame

[arctic talon]

We got more on what Beil’tan has been up to

Which is the fact they’re literally rebuilding their craftworld

After it fucking shattered

[remote wadi]

Also we need a tau videogame about the tau enclaves surviving agaisnt the greater good

[arctic talon]

Well

[remote wadi]

But without farsight being a playable character cause he would outshine everything

[arctic talon]

The farsight enclaves literally agree

With most of the greater good

I’m not sure how people miss this

[remote wadi]

They do but the tau empire doesn't agree with them

[arctic talon]

They just don’t like ethereals

lol

[remote wadi]

Ethereal are our leaders

[languid meadow]

Ethereals are up to something

like their past is made to purposely sew doubt in us

[remote wadi]

I mean humans say they have feromones but it was never confirmed

[crystal forum]

that was more of a hypothesis in the biologis book

[languid meadow]

the enclave also have good reason to not trust them

[nocturne crest]

Actually, odd question, but can the Deathwatch handle chaos things as well as they do with Xenos?

[crystal forum]

imperium doesnt know why ethereals control tau so hard

[arctic talon]

It’s propaganda

It’s absolutely propaganda lol

[languid meadow]

I mean they're space marines so they can handle it but their expertise is xenos

[arctic talon]

The tau empire blasts so much fucking propaganda

[languid meadow]

not as much but again they're still space marines

[remote wadi]

It's cause ethereal were born to be leaders

Same as the empirum nobles

But without the fake politics

[languid meadow]

YOU ARE A WATER CASTE PROPAGANDA OFFICER

[remote wadi]

Just straight up real politics

[crystal forum]

if it was just propaganda then the imperium would realize that

[arctic talon]

Even low ranking ethereals have drunken the koolaid

lol

We’ve seen lower ranking ones question why the fuck they’re the ones in charge

Ect.

And then they think about everything they’ve been taught

Societal standards

What’s normal

[crystal forum]

we still dont know where ethereals come from

so that's still a thing

[remote wadi]

It's all for the greater good

[arctic talon]

That’s the real mystery

But the tau empire loves its propaganda

[storm jungle]

Your sentence is death 🙏

[remote wadi]

Considering they don't have chaos powers and they disliked the tau duarva god they prolly didn't came from chaos

[arctic talon]

💀

[languid meadow]

I mean the Ethereals are Tau but like are they natural?

[storm jungle]

Thats the thing

[arctic talon]

That’s the question isn’t it

lol

[storm jungle]

we just dont know lol

[crystal forum]

prob not

[arctic talon]

They could be, they could also not be

We’re unlikely to ever learn

[languid meadow]

HRUDD TAU INTERFERENCE THEORY

[arctic talon]

Unless GW really wants us to know

[remote wadi]

My particular xeno species can't die cause I said so

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/talos-talosian-star-trem-star-trek-big-head-gif-12496470

[crystal forum]

i think it's more on the side of them being created

[remote wadi]

👀

[storm jungle]

they are a commentary on how we should kill politicians and eat them imo

[arctic talon]

💀

[storm jungle]

am I wrong

[languid meadow]

no it means kill and eat the pope and dali lama

[crystal forum]

if it was just propaganda then water caste would have been the leaders

[remote wadi]

I think ethereals are prolly a mixed race

[storm jungle]

You are just saying this because the look like twinks

MIXED RACE?

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[remote wadi]

They are water caste with other caste

[nocturne crest]

Isn't that Jeff Bezos?

[crystal forum]

they do?

[remote wadi]

They have all the elements of castes

[languid meadow]

south parks version is yeah

[remote wadi]

But that's just my theory

There's nothing to confirm this

[crystal forum]

you could say it's a

[languid meadow]

not offical iirc

[crystal forum]

game theory

[languid meadow]

but still one of my fav tau caste arts

[storm jungle]

its official

[languid meadow]

IT IS?

lmfao

[storm jungle]

its from Battlefleet Gothic 2

[arctic talon]

ZE CASTES MUST NEVER MIX
-Earth caste scientist

[languid meadow]

Holy shit I need to play it again

it's been so long

[storm jungle]

its from the DLC trailer for the tau

its peak

https://tenor.com/view/cat-it's-peak-cat-it's-peak-it's-mid-orange-cat-gif-17883059146133370492

[remote wadi]

That's why they aren't etherals

[languid meadow]

I haven't played the game in 2 years so yeah

[crystal forum]

-goe'ring hit'la

[languid meadow]

sad we never got a tau campaign

[remote wadi]

Have u ever thought the reason castes aren't allowed to mix is cause that would make new ethereals

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats largely just due to the game being super niche

so we just got Chaos/Necron DLCs

[vagrant fox]

is this a got dang reference to the mole from atlantis the lost empire or am I going nuts

[crystal forum]

it's more about controlling them

[languid meadow]

that's fine because the necron dlc is hilarious

[crystal forum]

ethereals want full control over all tau

[languid meadow]

"woe go my genestealers"

[crystal forum]

so no free will

[remote wadi]

But it's for the greater good

[storm jungle]

Im glad politicians arent like that IRL

[remote wadi]

(the tau do show how we would justify tirany irl tho)

[languid meadow]

if I had a nickel for every time trazyn used genestealers as a weapon I would have two nickels

people always will

[arctic talon]

Yes

LOL

[languid meadow]

"they helped us!"

"clean streets"

[crystal forum]

the imperium does

[languid meadow]

etc

etc

[crystal forum]

the entirety of 40k does actually

[remote wadi]

The god emperor wasn't a tirant

[crystal forum]

LOL

[remote wadi]

The leader of the empirum is a primark

[crystal forum]

the guy who wanted to wipe out all human religions?

[rose thorn]

stellaris ahh art

[languid meadow]

not wrong

[remote wadi]

The god emperor was more than a tirant he was the superior human and you couldn't stop him

[languid meadow]

actually looks like it's straight out of a DLC trailer for stellaris

[storm jungle]

Yeah I could

id put some dirt in his eye

[crystal forum]

how is that not a tyrant still

[languid meadow]

force feed him milk

he can't digest dairy

[remote wadi]

Cause you can't overthrow him by human means

[storm jungle]

the Emperor stopped the fake news of humanity from spreading, if it wasnt for DEI Horus he'd have won a 3rd term!!!

[crystal forum]

i can't stop kim jon un so does that make him not a dictator

[remote wadi]

Kim Jon un is stoppable by human means

It just would raise a huge war that isn't worth

[crystal forum]

he literally has a cult of personality who thinks he's a deity

like the emp

[storm jungle]

okay but to be fair

[languid meadow]

Nukes are by human means

[storm jungle]

Emperor Kim is superior to Emperor 40k

One flop of his belly could kill the Emperor

[remote wadi]

The emp Is a perpetual
If u kill him he will be back eventually

If u kill Kim Jun UN he is cooked

[storm jungle]

hes like that guy in FNAF

he always comes back

[crystal forum]

that's what you think

[storm jungle]

^

[crystal forum]

how do you know he's not a perpetual

[storm jungle]

Kim has big plans, you just wait

[storm jungle]

even better

how do WE know hes not one of the Emperor's disguises?

🧠

[remote wadi]

Emp is more of a force of nature

[storm jungle]

Hes more like a force of dumbassery

but sure we can go with that too

[crystal forum]

a force of nature who got half killed by a bald guy

[storm jungle]

^

[remote wadi]

To be fair I don't know haven't seen the irl after life or warp just yet

[storm jungle]

It might exist

[remote wadi]

Lemme just join a tzeentch cult

[storm jungle]

maybe the Pope is lying to us about it

[remote wadi]

He didn't got killed

[storm jungle]

he did

he got his ass beat

[remote wadi]

He just got put in a wheel chair

[storm jungle]

Nah

hes cooked

im sorry to tell this to you chief

bro lost the sleepover challenge

[remote wadi]

If Horus would kill him he would be on the process of reviving which he isnt

[storm jungle]

thats just plot armor

the Emperor is overrated hocus pocus nonsense

[languid meadow]

slopply

wrong channel but sure

[storm jungle]

💀

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

[remote wadi]

Also the emperor supposedly has multiple souls

So like we don't even know if other of his souls is somewhere outthere

[crystal forum]

he has a fragmented soul

he only had one soul

a huge one

[nocturne crest]

Do you think GW will try to pull a Disney and do their own version of Star Wars Visions?

[storm jungle]

I mean

it kinda already has with multiple books

also with Hammer and Bolter

minus each episode being a different animation studio i guess

[remote wadi]

Also honestly a thing they need to access why does the emperor absorb psykers and noone of them just ya know changes the emperor soul or something

Like I guess the emp is stronger than all of them

But like there's been billions

[storm jungle]

because that isnt how it works

the Emperor is also a sack of shit

its better he stays in a vegetable state

lol

[nocturne crest]

Imagine if Madhouse could do a film on 40K or Necromunda.

[storm jungle]

god i wish dude

[nocturne crest]

Alternatively, I could see them pulling off a fantasy or AoS short off pretty well.

[surreal nest]

Ermmmm the emperor ummm literally unified humanity by slaughtering all dissidents he is SO morally grey

[storm jungle]

UAAAGH STOP IT

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204848159088709652/1394700399856062575/1712721647016.gif

me killing you!!!!

[remote wadi]

Just like corvos

Ya know the guy that hates his sons and is a chaos creature

[storm jungle]

thats from Dishonored

dont bring my goat Corvo into this

[remote wadi]

Haha

[surreal nest]

I was about to say that name sound so familiar

[surreal nest]

Corvo is a villain

[storm jungle]

No hes not

[surreal nest]

He was killing the working class

[storm jungle]

LMAO

YEAH IF YOU FUCKING DO IT YOURSELF

[surreal nest]

Ok let me rephrase i was killing the working class

[remote wadi]

It's corvus corax mb

[storm jungle]

Thats called preventing the rat plague

[storm jungle]

all good

he has a goofy ahh name anyway

normal mistake lol

[arctic talon]

Is this based on the plasma carbine the Aquillons have

It’s a little um

small

[surreal nest]

Plasma carbine

[arctic talon]

And I know size isn’t everything

But it def doesn’t feel like a full plasma gun lol

[arctic talon]

Okay that’s what I thought

[surreal nest]

It doesnt look like a carbine though it looks just shrunk

[arctic talon]

It’s mag is a bit big

Compared to the carbine mini

But it’s prolly a dif model

[storm jungle]

^

its deffo re-sized

hence why it looks so off

lol

[arctic talon]

Do you think it was meant to be bigger

On the gunner originally lol

Or fatshark wanted it smol

[surreal nest]

Is there a lore reason as to why chaos plasma guns always have a spike

[nocturne crest]

Is there such a thing as a stormplasma?

[storm jungle]

It looks cool damn it

[surreal nest]

I didnt even think of that my folly

[nocturne crest]

Also, it's a bayonet

[arctic talon]

It’s awesome

Also you can stab people with it

[nocturne crest]

Exactly.

[storm jungle]

Nope, plasma is just plasma

[surreal nest]

Thats the worst bayonet ever for stabbing

[arctic talon]

It’s more of a slashing one

But yeah

[nocturne crest]

Or use it as a torture tool, if you let the plasma heat up the blade.

[arctic talon]

LOL

in field flaying tool

[storm jungle]

Shit thats good

im stealing it

[nocturne crest]

So that's a no to twin plasma's taped together.

[storm jungle]

I THINK that exists?

but like

its just a big-ass plasma

its not really a "storm"

[surreal nest]

In field flaying tool is such a valid term

[storm jungle]

lemme check

[arctic talon]

Yes

They exist

The mechanicus and marines have em

[storm jungle]

Plasma Blaster

uhhh

thats it from me

[nocturne crest]

Thank you for your service.

[arctic talon]

yeah that one

dilara beat me

[storm jungle]

🫡

https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Plasma

had to go through this page

1d4chan sucks balls

but they are good at documenting some shit

lol

[nocturne crest]

Odd question, but could that CSM hold someone in place by pressing the blade into their back?

[arctic talon]

Yes

but that would be pretty unnecessary

LOL

[surreal nest]

Thats exactly what I was thinking

[nocturne crest]

Maybe they could shoot through their hostage as well, if need be.

Like that guy did From Dusk until Dawn.

Let me go find a clip of what I'm talking about.

[storm jungle]

Oh man I know what you mean

the fucking human torso guitar

[nocturne crest]

https://youtu.be/u29Raweipio?t=208

[storm jungle]

OH that

[nocturne crest]

The Human Torso Guitar sounds like EC should have.

[young pecan]

try the abuse help line?

[nocturne crest]

So I thought of a new question: If each legion ended up having a wulfen like curse, what animal would a legion of your choosing turn into?

[unique bronze]

Id like to think since Dark Angels fought Chimeras before they'd prolly be that, just thought it was fitting due to their diverse war doctrines as well

[nocturne crest]

For some reason, I feel like Imperial Fists would turn into something like Ants or creatures that build and defend.

At least they might get their ability to spit back.

[vital ginkgo]

Would 100 000 space marines be sufficient to win against the 10 000 custodes in a battle or war?

[unique bronze]

Classic 40k debate right there, honestly hard to tell imo

Maybe depends on which legion, or what kind of setting the war is

I think in an Open Field, Custodians would just maul every Astartes on it

[rose thorn]

since wer rearing close ot the release of deadlock i decided i will be optimisitc about it (unless it gets delayed)

[unique bronze]

Like that Overwarch-esque game by Valve?

[rose thorn]

the hero shooter moba yeah

the first moba ever to take place in america

[unique bronze]

Not much a fan of competetive shooters for like a while now, but I got some mates waiting for it too since its by Valve

[rose thorn]

i l ike the old man yaoi

its the gayest moba ever made

[unique bronze]

the wat now

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-pathetic-principal-skinner-gif-14039035

fool

but yeah the charaacters look great

and seems very fun so im interested

[unique bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-rdr2-arthur-morgan-my-honest-reaction-meme-gif-27180770

[crystal forum]

holy shit i want one

[tough haven]

https://vxtwitter.com/deadlock_8/status/1971627419389120960

DEADLOCK PROJECT 8 (@deadlock_8)

That very masculine monologue from Abrams

#deadlock https://t.co/UUAeyNBKwQ

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Sep 26, 2025, 5:26 PM

[rose thorn]

hhehehehy

[tough haven]

I love all the characters

cause its valve

so character design is peak

[rose thorn]

i think it being from valve, a company wlel known for hating their lpayer base adn thinking all fo their opinions are bad, is perfect

[tough haven]

Its also the only moba I've enjoyed

[unique bronze]

Does that actually happen

You've talked me into it

[crystal forum]

high effort holy shit

[tough haven]

Just a high quality shitpost

[tough haven]

Its a valve game so the community is gonna do some crazy shit

I love the dialogue too

"So, whats your deal?"

"I puch people, you?"

"Pretty much the same, this is gonna be fun"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/290939279180562442/1421323420783742986/RDT_20250926_213137.mp4?ex=68d89e16&is=68d74c96&hm=69edd82becafaf81114051f1bff29daa3e01529e92fd94fe19744a2342d9293f&

[arctic talon]

iirc its for an open alpha/beta

The game still needs(a lot) of work visually

but it already looks great

[gleaming patrol]

Hey what special about frost blade wield by space wolves?

Double edge chainsword?

[celest dome]

Teeth are made from Kraken stuff

[unique bronze]

Ive read that they got some kind of arcane tech that uses runes that they place on them and stuff

They dont just put them on chainswords too if i recall

[gleaming patrol]

Planning to modding a game with that weapon but I would need what kind debuff would give the enemy other than cleave through (since is a base game mechanic) and armor penetration

Is sharp teeth, can cut easily

[unique bronze]

Oh neat, like a mod for Darktide?

[gleaming patrol]

Nah is for arpg dungeons crawler

I already mod many weapon from Darktide to that game

[unique bronze]

Ohh, noice

[arctic talon]

They're the same as master crafted power weapons

tabletop stat wise

[unique bronze]

Well since its called a Frost blade, why not add some Chill or frost aura on it

[arctic talon]

Lore wise they've got some weird propereties

Like the fact they can "clash" with power weapons without a power field

[gleaming patrol]

My friend told me there’s no frost in lore

[arctic talon]

and they're always cold as shit

There is

[unique bronze]

There should be afaik

[gleaming patrol]

You sure?

Just slap frost damage on it…

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

Its just a master crafted power weapon

in how its treated by GW

its present for flavor

[unique bronze]

There was uhh, a Space wolves novel that had a guy named Ragnar it in that has a frost blade called Frostfang

[arctic talon]

Ragnar's frostblade is a fancy chainsword

[unique bronze]

wasnt it described as being covered icy vapors tho

[arctic talon]

yeah

its cold

[unique bronze]

that also freezes wounds shut etc, accordin to the novel anyway

[median star]

i still dont understand votanns plasma melees either

[arctic talon]

its like a light saber

lol

It projects a blade of plasma

around the emitter portions of the actual melee

you got the shitty melee weapon in the middle

and then the plasma projects around it

[unique bronze]

sounds based, dunno about y'all

[arctic talon]

they're cool

[median star]

so if they ever had to clash melees it p much joever then or does the plasma actually give space magic resistance

[arctic talon]

better then the other LoV stuff which is mostly

Imperium or Tau tech

but better

[arctic talon]

The plasma resists

it can clash with power fields

and force weapons

[gleaming patrol]

What cruzium arcanum is shock maul-likeness

[arctic talon]

the LoV's melee department is much more interesting then
bolter but better

railgun but better

[arctic talon]

the croazius is a fancy power maul

its a very well made fancy power maul

[gleaming patrol]

It is just deal more damage than power maul?

Or just for style

[arctic talon]

tabletop wise its a mastercrafted power maul stat wise(depending on edition)

so its better then a normal maul

[gleaming patrol]

Aye then

[arctic talon]

but same as a master crafted one

GW basicially has "tiering" for weapons on the tabletop

Characters generally get master crafted/faction equivelent ones.

Like a Marine captain, Eldar Autarch, Tau Fireblade ect.

[gleaming patrol]

Well hey, check the mod in different game I made for a thunder hammer

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1419899987319591012/20250923-0414-45.9757479.mp4?ex=68d37069&is=68d21ee9&hm=e72d9872dbd39999af5fb74cc1d53581ebb71794182f48f8b6c12058925cec8f&

I been thinking how strong thammer is

Since I just give the hammer mod in the game for 65% more damage base

[unique bronze]

Neato

What game is that from

[gleaming patrol]

Heroes of hammerwatch 2

Modding is a lot potential

So I came here ask some weapon info before decide made into it

[unique bronze]

Looks solid tho, good job

[gleaming patrol]

My friend request me make power claw, croazius, frost blade

And shock maul

[unique bronze]

Well shock mauls technically a club with electricity on it I guess so shouldn't be too hard

[gleaming patrol]

Yeah just give electric damage and call it a day

Weapon slotting in that game just 1 handed or 2 handed

One hand means 1 ability only, and 2 hand has two ability

So I have to figure out making power claw give chances charge attack

It is power claw like every power blade?

[unique bronze]

Uhh, well since theyre kinda meant for tearing into enemies could add like a bleed stat effect imo

[gleaming patrol]

Hmmmm

Making bleed by chances is easy tho

[unique bronze]

what about making it rend armor

[gleaming patrol]

It would be this stats

The debuff

Tbf I made 2h great chainaxe with cripple and armor break, bleed

Is a heretic weapon I know

[unique bronze]

well from what I know from the pwer claws its that theyre fast, it can rend through infantry and shred armor

[unique bronze]

Im not too familiar with how they are in terms of the tabletop so maybe someone else can give some insight on that

if youre looking for ideas

[gleaming patrol]

Hmmm

Yeah power claw can be heavy to wield

[unique bronze]

Well from what little I see them in, they're mostly put on Terminators

[gleaming patrol]

I seen on commissar too

[unique bronze]

So I'd like to think its a heavy weapon

[gleaming patrol]

Like Yarrick

[unique bronze]

I dunno if I'll call Yarricks claw as a power claw, since it was from an Ork originally

[gleaming patrol]

Yes is called Powa klaw

Orkish naming

[unique bronze]

It was sized down to fit him too from what I recall

I guess only difference is it doesnt have the typical disruption field it does on a typical imperium power claw/fist

[gleaming patrol]

Power fist is for punching blunt force like thunderhammer

While power claw work like power sword

I guess I stick to bleed damage

But not sure how per chances to make enemy bleed

80%? 75%?

Guarantee bleed is not a problem

Oh my mistake is not power claw is lighting claw @unique bronze

They not the same?

[unique bronze]

Oh, the Lightning Claw is the ones that are like attached on their finger tips as far as I know

The Power Claw is like a Power Fist with the Talons just atop the knuckles sort of, like a wolverine

[gleaming patrol]

Yeah

What property of lightning fist?

[unique bronze]

So you meant the first one?

[gleaming patrol]

Yeah

Power claw and lightning fist confused me

[unique bronze]

I guess the names are just a bit similar yeah

[median star]

power claw is the ork version if im not mistaken

[unique bronze]

dont space marines use them too, and just have a similar name

[gleaming patrol]

So lightning claw is original

And powa klaw is Ork counterpart

[median star]

both versions the finger knife and the power fist w just knifes ontop are lighting claws just the finger one is i think specifically meant to be for cataphracti pattern terminator armor

[gleaming patrol]

And the property lightning claw is tear armor and flesh?

Rending armor

[median star]

i mean theyre basically just power swords ontop of a powerfist so

[gleaming patrol]

That’s sound orkish design

Lmao

I’ll probably just give bleed and armor Rending on mod weapon

[arctic talon]

Lighting claws lore wise have no real reason to exist but cool

But they let you have Wolverine claws

LOL

[gleaming patrol]

Did GW trying hide lighting claw?

[median star]

same thing w chainfist just a tiny chansword on a powerfist

[gleaming patrol]

[unique bronze]

Or that power fist with a bolter on the sides

[gleaming patrol]

Yeah it sound like prototype firearm failed made in production

[median star]

the cataphracti ones sort of mainly cause that pattern of armor is a lot more rare in 40k then it was in 30k

[radiant lance]

When are they adding a power claw that's white?
So I can also match my irl state of white claw drunk

[gleaming patrol]

[unique bronze]

what you mean

[gleaming patrol]

White claw is a alcohol canned drink

[unique bronze]

like just make the color white?

[gleaming patrol]

Brand

[unique bronze]

Oh lmao

[gleaming patrol]

So, lightning claw…. Just give armor Rending and bleed

Sound fitting enough

How fast attack for the claw?

I think terminator mobility is quite lesser than space marine

[unique bronze]

makes me curious how Pederson would make the terminators look like in a fight in Astartes 2

[gleaming patrol]

Terminator got some shoulder back missile

Armor look heavy not like space marine unit

[unique bronze]

I like how beefy it is tho, they have some of the best designs imo

Heres one of Tyberos, its fanart but its a really nice depiction of him

[gleaming patrol]

Is look to me is either crazy speed anime or slow ass tank

[unique bronze]

I remember reading a small panel that he managed to clear a room of traitors in a matter of seconds, tho I cant verify atm kekw, since it was something i saw ages ago

[arctic talon]

Why does he have so many shark bits in that art

[unique bronze]

why not

[gleaming patrol]

Because he’s a furry

Badass furry

[arctic talon]

Because he’s got no ornamentation lol

That’s kind of his thing