#40k-lore-chat
arctic talon
sturdy yarrow
Also since most nobles there have absurb levels of wealth I imagine the dynamics would be fairly different to a tourist trap country.
opaque coyote
Knowing the descriptions of Imperium Nobles and how degen they are.
It's definitely just Epstein Island but turned into a world.
sturdy yarrow
Yeah LOL
daring creek
What is life like for nobles
sturdy yarrow
Epstein Island with a fair amount of non consensual body modification
sturdy yarrow
What is life like for nobles
backstabbing and power grabs
excess of every kind, etc
sturdy yarrow
😨
daring creek
IGNORING THE EPSTEIN SHIT
sturdy yarrow
You don't GET to ignore it.
rose thorn
stellaris reference
daring creek
You don't GET to ignore it.
I WILL LOOK OUT OF THE WINDOW WITH WINE
opaque coyote
What is life like for nobles
I think it is worth noting that
In Rogue Trader, Cassia who is actually a fairly good person (at least for Imperium standards). Questions why you haven't cut out the tongues of your servants so that they don't speak.
sturdy yarrow
😆
sturdy yarrow
Least sociopathic Imperial noble
opaque coyote
I think it is worth noting that
In Rogue Trader, Cassia who is actually a fairl...
And it isn't even out of malice or annoyance. She's genuinely confused. It's completely normal to her. It's like the equivalent of asking "Why don't you give the waiter a tip here?"
Once you tell her that
People need their tongues to speak
She's like
"Oh shit-"
sturdy yarrow
uh, what? I thought you said she questioned it on the basis that it was so they didn't speak
opaque coyote
uh, what? I thought you said she questioned it on the basis that it was so they ...
It's more like you have to explain that people talking is needed for them to
Do their job and communicate to each other instead of staying silent like a servant.
Cause the jobs of being in a ship and a rich servant is different
sturdy yarrow
Oh, sure
opaque coyote
Then again, she also didn't really think about it until you prompt her.
wind canyon
The governor in Titanicus (I can't remember his name) is alright if I recall. Probably the only noble I can point to that's full good. Oh and Chass from Necropolis, dying to help save the hive.
opaque coyote
It's like how a kid sees their parents fight
And think it's completely normal
Until they go into another person's home
That type of shit
sturdy yarrow
Aren't some nobles who join the Guard alright?
sturdy yarrow
My impression is they're either egotistical assholes, or trying to escape all the political fuckery
no in-between
daring creek
Aren't some nobles who join the Guard alright?
Guard as in soldier yeah?
arctic talon
Others it’s because your family hates you, you want out, ect.
On Cadia as an example if you’re a noble family and you don’t send any children to the guard
It’s seen as dereliction of duty
wind canyon
The Royal Volpone regiments are all nobles and they're all assholes. Plus the population that they can tithe is being depleted hard because only nobles can serve in the regiments 
arctic talon
Yeah the volpones are an example of a regiment of all nobles who are dicks lol
opaque coyote
Yeah the volpones are an example of a regiment of all nobles who are dicks lol
they also get fancy armor and equipment
arctic talon
Ventrillian nobles are another example
Of a guard regiment who are all nobles
They’re in it for the glory
And their homeworld bribes the administratum to send them to more
preferable warzones
wind canyon
The Royal Volpone regiments are all nobles and they're all assholes. Plus the po...
They even have to resort to recruiting female nobles now and there's some assholes that aren't very happy about that
opaque coyote
put them on the frontlines
they already are
opaque coyote
and they're competent
the worst type of snotty rich people
wind canyon
Fuck Sturm
arctic talon
LOL
yeah Sturm is a hatesink
the volpones are extremely competent
in like
pretty much every depiction
opaque coyote
the type where their bark matches their bite
arctic talon
they are rich asshole snobs
they think they're better
(they are better a lot of the time)
And they act like they're better
sturdy yarrow
*justifiably
arctic talon
they're just competent at whats considered an extremely grueling job
LOL
Like yeah they're being snobbish assholes but you literally just saw one crawl through a minefield for fun
so
💀
sturdy yarrow
Honestly kinda badass. I like it.
sturdy yarrow
The part of them being forced to use female nobles because they're depleting all their men is actually a nice way to write in women into the guard that doesn't feel contrived, too.
arctic talon
tbh thats because their tradition was men only
until it stopped being sustainable
on some worlds its just send everyone
opaque coyote
Like yeah they're being snobbish assholes but you literally just saw one crawl t...
"They're an asshole, but they also just 360 noscoped a giant Carnifex with a lascannon"
sturdy yarrow
Sure. What I'm saying is realistically the tradition should be mostly men. Male expendability and all that.
So when that trend is bucked I think a good reason is nice.
arctic talon
The Volpones also have the whole thing of
their homeworld isn't actually
a guard world
its a industiral world
LOL
wind canyon
Well some of the Tanith (Rawne) even have issues with bringing women into the regiment after Necropolis because fighting was a man's job on Tanith but they aren't exactly getting any reinforcements from home anytime soon
sturdy yarrow
its a industiral world
makes you wonder why they didnt just offer more resources instead of guardsmen as their tithe
arctic talon
because guardsmen are part of the tithe
the Volpones just have a tradition of Noble Men only
serving in the army
Until they couldn't keep that up anymore
sturdy yarrow
No I get that, but iirc the tithe is somewhat flexible
arctic talon
because god forbid the filthy common folk fight in the guard
It is somewhat flexible
but they want to pay that tithe of flesh and blood
the world has militant traditions
sturdy yarrow
I guess.
A little odd that they relax traditions around gender before simply sending more of their industrial output to justify their decreased military output
But, not totally unbelievable
arctic talon
It tracks because it helps reinforce their ego
because they're famous for the quality of stuff they produce
and their regiments being highly competent
sturdy yarrow
Fair
wind canyon
They have that old ass thinking where men fight and women manage their estates while they're gone
wind canyon
Their servants come with them to war too but they can't protect themselves because plebs can't carry guns even during a battle. It's a big thing at the start of Volpone Glory where a servant almost gets executed for it
sturdy yarrow
So basically they're like space marine chapter serfs
actually nvm chapter serfs get guns.
I remember one fucked up a space marine pretty bad in one of the Salamander's novels with a power sword.
wind canyon
actually nvm chapter serfs get guns.
And they use drone things that can shoot in Spear of the Emperor
wind canyon
And they use drone things that can shoot in Spear of the Emperor
Were they servo-skulls? I really need to read that book again
arctic talon
prolly servo skulls
daring creek
Happy Halloween
opaque coyote
Also I reread some of the IDW comics
Specifically the ones starting from 2005
I think it's interesting how Megatron actually started out
First as a MINER (GRRR MINERS-)
Then as actually a poet and writer
It's gonna sound pretentious, but it is definitely commentary. Megatron was a proficient writer and speaker.
With Optimus's ideals in the IDW comics coming from his original writings.
But not enough people listened to his ideas.
So he changed his philosophy, and instead of words and oration.
It quickly became bullets and murder.
Megatron felt like he had to turn to violence to actually inspire change.
south hemlock
what does auric mean in the context of 40k lore?
crisp basalt
"Auric" means "gold"
queen laurel
what does auric mean in the context of 40k lore?
Nothing they are just called basically gold missions because apparently doing them is very hard
And your survival rate is about as low as getting shot in the head with an armor piercing round
crisp basalt
Nothing they are just called basically gold missions because apparently doing th...
Essentially the missions that only the Elite warband members are actually capable of doing
crisp basalt
Really, the Auric operatives are basically those elite members.
queen laurel
Really, the Auric operatives are basically those elite members.
they are just operatives that are good yeah
south hemlock
when we take an auric mission, are we auric operatives? or are we just rejects still punching way above our weight
queen laurel
when we take an auric mission, are we auric operatives? or are we just rejects s...
every single auric operative is a reject that has proven their worth by the way we are no longer rejects when we hit level 30 we are inquisitorial acolytes the lowest rank in the inquisition
crisp basalt
when we take an auric mission, are we auric operatives? or are we just rejects s...
By level 30, even though you may not feel it from the context of your higher ups, you basically are elites in the warband
south hemlock
thank ya!
crisp basalt
Still fodder in the grand scheme of things, but you're not as expendable as other fodder
queen laurel
Still fodder in the grand scheme of things, but you're not as expendable as othe...
You are a proven fodder
just like a guardsman veteran
That's basically what we are
we are now competent veterans
lament shoal
Honestly I love that they made it so our characters slowly prove their worth throughout the main story
opaque coyote
Really, the Auric operatives are basically those elite members.
Aura(ic)
opaque coyote
we are now competent veterans
At least we are valued enough to attempt to be evacuated with the Karnak Twins
pulsar stump
My first run-in with those bastards was as part of a 4 Ogryn team.
We just bullied them and took their Thrones.
lament shoal
The daemonhost getting slapped to death by 4 ogryns:
surreal nest
Ugh
It is genuinely an insane claim that the emperor would not approve of humans treating humans like shit
Like that is such an out of touch confusing stance
celest cedar
Lol these guys get it
my moral compass going out the window as soon as God Emperor My Little Dark Age edit plays
cunning mango
I agree with this, i just want vulkan back😔
sour hornet
Bro i used to enslave fucking everything when I played fallout 3
any unattended persons or children got enslaved when I got my hands on the mesmetron
"being evil is wrong!" shouldn't make so much money then
sour hornet
Ugh
I would literally kill 37 thousand orphans to experience one lifetime as an aeldari corsair
median star
gay pirate
sour hornet
Ugh
imperium cuck mindset, literally praising being useless cannon fodder who's only purpose in life is dying so his planetary governor looks like their doing their job
being a human in the Imperium is pure, concentrated dogass
run away to the t'au so you can merely be treated like shit (massive upgrade)
celest dome
Join chaos for the upgrade possibilities
unique bronze
Would it be better than Tau tho
ornate ravine
I have a question about the Eldar Faction. Can they detect Warp disturbance, such as a space vessel coming out of the Warp and how far can they detect it?
sour hornet
I have a question about the Eldar Faction. Can they detect Warp disturbance, suc...
Yes, and pretty far, no hard numbers, so go with what feels right.
queen laurel
I have a question about the Eldar Faction. Can they detect Warp disturbance, suc...
Yes they are a psionically gifted race
sour hornet
Human psykers can feel ships exit the warp.
Eldar are better psykers than humans.
So they would feel it more intensely, and at a farther distance.
crystal forum
they could detect emmesh eating a banana
sour hornet
Would it be better than Tau tho
Only if you are a good champion.
crystal forum
but anybody could detect that with how loudly he slurps those
opaque coyote
What do you think would be a conspiracy theory in the 40k milky way galaxy
Like an in-universe one
queen laurel
but anybody could detect that with how loudly he slurps those
i can hear it all the way from here
unique bronze
What do you think would be a conspiracy theory in the 40k milky way galaxy
maybe that the golden throne is just a chair
so the emperors just dead sitting on a normal throne, and the high lords just using some fancy machine to keep people obedient
just a thought 
celest dome
Lord Solar Macharious is still alive
lament shoal
Is there any lore on what kind of food human auxiliaries/civs are given in the tau empire?
celest dome
They get the same food as the Tau iirc
opaque coyote
They get the same food as the Tau iirc
It's this
Rare phenomenon
Called "actual food"
Blows the mind of any Gue'la
To be specific. I think T'au food is described as mainly Asian style food
opaque coyote
Noodles, rice, even bread.
I think they even eat burritos
Although a solid negative is that T'au food is apparently vegetarian
So no meat
Since they might have evolved form herbivores
Although I can imagine a meat option being offered since a lot of other races would want it
Second class citizens or no. Money is money.
Also Alcohol
The T'au can get drunk also
opaque coyote
Noodles and such
So yeah you would be definitely get healthier and more flavorful metals in an average T'au world
lament shoal
Gotcha, thx guys
opaque coyote
Compared to the Imperium which would probably just offer you tasteless rations
Well tasteless if you're lucky
lament shoal
Compared to the Imperium which would probably just offer you tasteless rations
Tasteless rations do indeed make an appearance in the first Ciaphas Cain novel lol
rocky gale
To be specific. I think T'au food is described as mainly Asian style food
Gue'la losing their shit going from tasteless Imperium rations to instant ramen
opaque coyote
Gue'la losing their shit going from tasteless Imperium rations to instant ramen
There are some spicy instant noodle flavors that make my tongue melt
rocky gale
opaque coyote
So imagine going from completely rasteless
To spicy flavored instant noodles
Like shoving a jar of promethium into someone's mouth
lament shoal
Gue'la losing their shit going from tasteless Imperium rations to instant ramen
"How come you human auxiliaries are so offended by the term 'gue'la' when you say it amongst yourselves all the time? 'Gue'la this, gue'la that, can a gue'la borrow some ramen?' How in the name of the greater good can a gue'la borrow some ramen? Gue'la, is you gonna give it back???"
crystal forum
"How come you human auxiliaries are so offended by the term 'gue'la' when you sa...
i wish i could find a higher quality pic
queen laurel
this is certainly an image
raven stone
To spicy flavored instant noodles
...You have now made an impact on my character lore - my radical Inquisitor steals spicy instant ramen from the T'au empire lol...
just because he likes the taste.
(Funnily enough he does have his tech preist check it for poisoning/chemical agents etc. before ingesting)
fervent gull
Are there any regiments that doesnt treat the average guardsman like dirt and actually fights strategically?
celest dome
Elysian
storm jungle
Uhhh
celest dome
Vostroyan
storm jungle
Tbh their lives are still dirt
Imperial command doesnt care about regimental culture
celest dome
But comparatively
fervent gull
Imperial command doesnt care about regimental culture
You mean the higher command above the regimental command right?
storm jungle
You mean the higher command above the regimental command right?
Yeah but mostly their commanding officers as well
the Imperial Guard isnt really some heroic duty
you are there to die and do your job
fervent gull
A sad job
wind canyon
Meanwhile Gaunt be caring for his men like an absolute chad.
wind canyon
The general in Wrath of Iron was pretty decent too, (stupidly) disobeying direct orders from the Iron Hands because he thought they were leading his men on a suicide mission, which it did end up being
For the guard
valid needle
storm jungle
🫡
wind canyon
The general in Wrath of Iron was pretty decent too, (stupidly) disobeying direct...
That book was my first time reading anything to do with the Iron Hands and it made me hate them. In a good way though
queen laurel
they just always murder imperial humans
Then they meet someone they like like this human is not as weak as the others let's turn him into a robot
bro i was just doing my job
wind canyon
they just always murder imperial humans
The ending of Wrath of Iron was something else.
"But we helped you liberate the planet"
"Fucken die"
wind canyon
Touché. Not even killing one in every three imperial citizens in the sector because they may be tainted by Slaanesh, just as a lesson against complacency
Truly a grim dark ending
I love Chris Wraight's books. The ones I've read anyway
crystal forum
Are there any regiments that doesnt treat the average guardsman like dirt and ac...
no
that is the only correct answer
everybody in the guard is expendable to a comical degree
fervent gull
What about strategic fighting?
crystal forum
What about strategic fighting?
what do you mean
the guard fights strategically in the 40k logic
storm jungle
The largely "nice" brotherhood aspect comes from your fellow soldiers/guardsman too.
fervent gull
the guard fights strategically in the 40k logic
The most content I see about 40k guard is about how they fight on atrition mostly, just throwing men at the meat grinder
Also, are all of the psyker personalities in the game are sanctioned psykers?
crystal forum
The most content I see about 40k guard is about how they fight on atrition mostl...
that's what they do on a large scale yeah. but that doesn't mean they aren't being strategic about it
it's just that most enemies of the imperium can only be fought using attrition
rocky gale
Yea it's a meat grinder, but it's not like human wave of "oh the last detachment all died, send in 10 thousand more men to do the same thing again"
crystal forum
that's valhallans 😎
rocky gale
A bunch of the books talk about the technical strategic aspects a bit, from "We can't advance without artillery cover" to "We need air support to cover our transport column incase of attack"
fervent gull
it's just that most enemies of the imperium can only be fought using attrition
What about tyranids and necrons? How do the guard tackles them?
crystal forum
What about tyranids and necrons? How do the guard tackles them?
tyranids are the definition of attrition
fervent gull
Hm
crystal forum
and necrons, well guard just lose lol
rocky gale
In those cases Guard usually dig in and establish positions while engaging in fighting withdrawals until reinforcements arrive that are able to deal with the issue
fervent gull
Can they handle an incursion with just guard reinforcements? Or are there instances of this?
celest dome
Like Deamon incursion ?
fervent gull
Sorry for not clarifyin
rocky gale
and if there are no reinforcements, they will engage in "strategic" last stands to allow for the extraction of more vital resources
crystal forum
necrons rarely have to fight protracted wars on big fronts
green loom
I just dont know how they fight back (even if they do any)
The general idea is to gather enough corpses to hopefully clog the gears on whatever is attacking
Or on the off chance blow them up with a healthy helping of artillery and armour
wind canyon
Be a human shield for the guy with the melta while he kills them
green loom
The stock guardsmen are straight up nothing but fodder
fervent gull
Sad
queen laurel
and just in case you are curious
orks just focus on overpowering the guard most of the time but they are beatable and armageddon is holding together for the most part thanks to the guardsmen
orks simply most of the time just throw everything they have at you until you break or day do but that's the problem they don't fight consistently
One time you can be fighting a vehicle focused ork wwwaaaaggghhh that favor fast vehicles and flyers just tearing everything apart or they could be focused on infantry hordes that will crush you beneath their boot
celest cedar
human ork wave tactics..
fervent gull
and just in case you are curious
orks just focus on overpowering the guard most...
So between generations klan fighting styles can change?
Damn didnt know that
queen laurel
So between generations klan fighting styles can change?
Yes and they could also mix because one war boss could lead more
and especially it's dangerous when the war boss is smart
fervent gull
Also, is there a difference between a warboss or a warlord?
queen laurel
Also, is there a difference between a warboss or a warlord?
warboss leads a small army and a decent size fleet
a warlord can lead multiple clans and multiple fleets no issue
queen laurel
Can a warlord command warbosses?
yes though in his case he would be the war boss and those beneath him would be the big boss
rocky gale
So between generations klan fighting styles can change?
Yep, we see in Outgunned that when they bring in the air force to deal with primitive Orks, the Orks eventually start copying them and building planes of their own. Turning the theatre into an air war.
fervent gull
What are the fighters against orks in that story?
queen laurel
Can a warlord command warbosses?
Oh yeah by the way they can make a Titan powered by steam
fervent gull
Yeah figured these out by the hellsreach
wind canyon
Yeah figured these out by the hellsreach
Peak
rocky gale
What are the fighters against orks in that story?
Aeronautica Imperialis who are working in conjunction with Astra Militarum forces
fervent gull
I was fuckin surprised when they built titans on a planet they were stranger to and in relatively short time
queen laurel
Can a warlord command warbosses?
fervent gull
Aeronautica Imperialis who are working in conjunction with Astra Militarum force...
No I think my sentence came out wrong, I meant which fighting force was against the orks
Which regiment?
unique bronze
Like generally?
green loom
I don't think the aeronautica have formal regiments/squadrons
rocky gale
They were the 2208
fervent gull
One sec
rocky gale
But like there's not a lot about them because the story doesn't focus on the regiment really
fervent gull
Oh
rocky gale
It's mostly about von Shard, the regiments star fighter ace
fervent gull
That sums it up
wind canyon
Yeah and the POV character is a propogandist plus it's in first person
sturdy yarrow
Yep, we see in Outgunned that when they bring in the air force to deal with prim...
Orks are actually as or more intelligent than humans tbh
It's just their intelligence is unguided, they have poor impulse control and all their impulses are destructive
rose thorn
2 hours
storm jungle
Orks are actually as or more intelligent than humans tbh
Kind of but not really
Their intelligence very much depends individually
Theres a reason the "smart" orks rise to the top while the others stay in the dirt
queen laurel
Theres a reason the "smart" orks rise to the top while the others stay in the di...
most of the time they are just very simple brained brutes and thugs
smart orks are the few that learn other skills outside of killing you with a weapon or their bare hands
sturdy yarrow
Is that just cuz they have no impulse control or cuz they're actually dumb? I would argue the former.
sturdy yarrow
Their intelligence very much depends individually
Sure. Their smartest have a kind of savant syndrome tbh.
queen laurel
Is that just cuz they have no impulse control or cuz they're actually dumb? I wo...
no they are very dumb because they have devolved over the years and are a sufficient race therefore didn't really bother how to learn stuff just the simple basics
the bigger orks are the smarter they are
sturdy yarrow
the bigger orks are the smarter they are
Pretty sure this is only partly true and a lot also just depends on what kind of innate preference they're born with.
queen laurel
Pretty sure this is only partly true and a lot also just depends on what kind of...
no height and size is literally their power that's why krorks were smart
but they got devolved because they didn't have anything good to fight and eldar just didn't fight them just use their super weapons on them every time they tried to
queen laurel
therefore they got smaller and smaller and we have modern day orks
queen laurel
and yet meks/doks are usually not all that large
the knowledge is embedded in their dna
they have natural instincts on how to do their job not because they are smart enough to do it
But of course they do get better as time goes on
sturdy yarrow
they have natural instincts on how to do their job not because they are smart en...
That's a semantic difference tbh
Is having an innate understanding of things not intelligence?
As I said it's like savant syndrome
queen laurel
That's a semantic difference tbh
Is literally lore the bigger ones are smarter
sturdy yarrow
That's not what I replied to....
I also already acknowledged that, I said it's "partly true"
queen laurel
That's not what I replied to....
OK take this idiot that literally bites rocks because he's dumb but you gave him the ability to build a nuclear reactor out of instinct
would you consider him smart
or just relying on instincts
sturdy yarrow
In a certain capacity yes it's intelligence. It's just very narrow and specific... Like savant syndrome
queen laurel
In a certain capacity yes it's intelligence. It's just very narrow and specific....
Intelligence requires both the capacity to learn and the ability to use that learning effectively. An uneducated instinct alone does not constitute intelligence
an ork mekboy will get better because that's just natural with experience but he's purely learning through instinct not through reading books
as time goes on he's just basically refining his instincts
rose thorn
Never forgiving drukhari
HOW ARE DRUKHARI ALREADY RELEASINF
HOW IS COMBAT PATROL KRIEG OUR
queen laurel
HOW IS COMBAT PATROL KRIEG OUR
woah easy mags
i know it's unfortunate but that's GW
queen laurel
It’s literlaly existed for A WEEK
yes yes i know it's unfortunate
rose thorn
If both were out I wouldn’t care
The guy at gw delaying everything I like specifically by a month
hallow saddle
i might get the chaos dwarfs box next weekend if they still have it at the local GW store
KINDA HYPED
queen laurel
i might get the chaos dwarfs box next weekend if they still have it at the local...
they are goated
hallow saddle
but if its out of stock its not the end of the world
queen laurel
but if its out of stock its not the end of the world
oh it's gonna be almost definitely out of stock
hallow saddle
i want to show the guy in the wh store my EC test model
hallow saddle
theyre pure ultra chads
queen laurel
theyre pure ultra chads
Urak Tarr is pure aura farming
hallow saddle
yeah he is, i love that bronze paintjob too
rose thorn
https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-9508832355...
Your getting released before spitewood
rocky gale
Oh
Wait bruh why they releasing Drukhari and Morvenn Vahl book at the same time
Think of my wallet
queen laurel
Think of my wallet
It's about to be tortured like a dark eldar slave
rose thorn
Also I forgive drukhari im more mad at krieg now
rose thorn
I wonder what the eldar symbol for like love/family/weddings/etc etc is
I’d like to make a formal apology to dark eldar players ( @rocky gale ) spitewood was delayed for the warhammer worlds underworlds torm
storm jungle
lmao owned
rose thorn
I didn’t even notice that it was having an event
I will still spite krieg players
They really should just be a Cadia reskin
valid needle
Also I forgive drukhari im more mad at krieg now
Fix bayonets
valid needle
queen laurel
https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-can-the-treasury-bear-such-expense-bear-e...
I'm sorry but your wallet is gonna feel like it's getting punched by an ironjaw
median star
harlequins can be played w both reg eldar and dark right
rocky gale
I think they can be taken in any Eldar detachment
and Drukhari
and Drukhari can also take Corsair units
median star
i assume it also has the same only 500 point limit for allied units aswell or
rocky gale
For Drukhari it's the allied limits for Corsair and Harlequins, for Eldar I don't think there's a limit
But I don't play Eldar so not sure
celest dome
Grounding wire looking a
rocky gale
Only thing they're shielding from is bitches with that colour scheme
queen laurel
holy colorscheme
i have seen better coloring on a brain damage fent folding street crawling velociraptor
queen laurel
surprisingly fond of Praetors of Orpheus
Honestly the coloration of the light colors goes hard
rose thorn
also
queen laurel
makes them much more brighter than the other chapters
rose thorn
valid needle
valid needle
Are you Argentinian Maggie?
rose thorn
theyare also fanatical about the codex
rose thorn
its like if there was a space marinec hatper that looks like the flag of turkey
rose thorn
also im really really fond of the ultra symbol
valid needle
Hold on
rose thorn
arent they form the inquisitiongame
valid needle
Storm Wardens
rose thorn
my bad
valid needle
rose thorn
i got stormwardens mixed up with the storm hammers and storm shields and storm walkers
valid needle
Heavy scottish and celtic influence
rose thorn
3 things named tomb world releasing within the year crazy
queen laurel
he made this so was this good or no
queen laurel
I like all of his stuff so far
Oh yeah well this is like the talent of the symbaresh twinsoul in champions of chaos
very funny i know
median star
For Drukhari it's the allied limits for Corsair and Harlequins, for Eldar I don'...
learning its only 250 aswell 
rocky gale
250pts for 1000pt game and 500pts for a 2000pt game
median star
i completely forgot it changes depending on how many overall points
lament shoal
Gotta love it when people who barely know anything on the lore tell you you're wrong on something
rose thorn
wait
eldar
have
the army percentage rule nromally??
not attached to a random terrible detachment?
rose thorn
another GSC L i suppose
rose thorn
fair
rocky gale
Reapers Wager is like our strongest detachment though
But the new Kablite one looks real fun
arctic talon
Reapers wager is def the strongest
I think Skysplinter is second
Kabalite one looks strong on paper to me but I’m not a drukhari player
rocky gale
Dunno how strong it will actually be in play, but it looks fun and I'm going to try it out.
daring creek
surprisingly fond of Praetors of Orpheus
Argentine marines
languid meadow
really excited for this book because triarch praetorians are so under used
outside of mentions and maybe a couple pages of dialogue we haven't seen too much
glad we're getting a book about one
queen laurel
really excited for this book because triarch praetorians are so under used
Also if I remember correctly the main character of the book is a female necron
Which is like a surprising because a female necron is like uncommon
languid meadow
The earlier triarch praetorians we saw their leader was a woman iirc
There's a bunch of crypteks that are women as well
they're probably equal in number it's just the books don't show that
queen laurel
True
near wasp
Ayoooo I guess I found what I'm reading next
opaque coyote
crystal forum
just following orders
opaque coyote
just following orders
fervent gull
Are there any kinds of similar cases with other chaos factions like the tzaangors of tzeentch's?
celest dome
Pestigor
Khorngor
Slaangor
fervent gull
Also does imperium ever use autoguns for one of their armed forces?
fervent gull
arctic talon
Also does imperium ever use autoguns for one of their armed forces?
Yeah, even the guard use them sometimes/some regiments like them
lament shoal
PDFs commonly use them
nocturne crest
So I got to ask, but when the Catachan get updated, will they get their own combat patrol?
storm jungle
I mean probably?
languid meadow
CONSULT THE BIRDS
nocturne crest
Imagine if imperial guard get 3 combat patrols a year?
Cadian, Krieg and Catachan.
Or would that be too much.
fervent gull
Yeah, even the guard use them sometimes/some regiments like them
Huh, what do you know
Didnt think the guard would use them commonly
arctic talon
It’s not as common as las weapons
fervent gull
Since mainly on posters they are shown with lasgun
arctic talon
But some regiments use them as their primary weapon
Also funnily enough
For the new Cadians
You can see the sgt has one
As an option
crystal forum
You can see the sgt has one
autogun for sergeant has been a thing for a bit
drum fed autogun or whatever it's called
it has rapid fire
arctic talon
There’s also a belt fed one lol
On the upgrade sprue
But yeah the guard uses autoguns for a variety of reasons
fervent gull
But yeah the guard uses autoguns for a variety of reasons
Such as?
arctic talon
Want to use special issue ammo, they’re poor, it’s what they got, the regiment likes them
crystal forum
autoguns can shoot very fast like the one sergeant uses
fervent gull
I find the ingame autogun and ilas pretty similar
arctic talon
Also yeah autoguns are good for suppressing people
Or causing terror
Some regiments use terror tactics
And an autogun is a lot louder + scarier
fervent gull
Wouldnt lasguns be effective by just vaporizing arms and legs?
fervent gull
Hm
rose thorn
There’s also a belt fed one lol
Krieg should have just been an upgrade sprue
arctic talon
Sometimes when you’re putting down a rebellion
arctic talon
Krieg should have just been an upgrade sprue
Doesn’t work
Their coats are too fucky
Same with steel legion
rose thorn
Do they neeedddd coats
crystal forum
Krieg should have just been an upgrade sprue
no
arctic talon
Yes
arctic talon
Also there’s specialized autogun rounds designed to cause more suffering
Stuff like bleeder rounds
rose thorn
I like guard upgrade sprues unironically
fervent gull
rose thorn
Maybe they do an iron legion one for the krieg kits
arctic talon
Also in some environments autoguns are better
celest dome
Also autogun/stubber rounds can ricochet or pierce, the Lasgun aren't gonna do thst
arctic talon
Tons of fog and sand or dust can lead to less effective lasgun range
crystal forum
Maybe they do an iron legion one for the krieg kits
they wont because only 3 regiments get acknowledged
fervent gull
Does lasguns have something like a special energy pack?
crystal forum
also it's steel legion mag
fervent gull
🍿
crystal forum
or iron guard
arctic talon
Which are the equivalent to guard man stopper rounds
rose thorn
they wont because only 3 regiments get acknowledged
Well rhe fuck ass melted metal ones, uhhhh, catachan, should be an upgrade sprues
fervent gull
There’s hotshot packs
What do they do?
rose thorn
or iron guard
…. Which one is it?
celest dome
What do they do?
Better power yield
arctic talon
What do they do?
Allow for better armor piercing
fervent gull
Wait saw the message now
rose thorn
The Armageddon one
crystal forum
…. Which one is it?
iron guard are the parade dress guys
arctic talon
Steel legion is Armageddon
rose thorn
Okay yeah steel legion
crystal forum
steel legion are the half face gas mask with goggles and mustard yellow trench coats
rose thorn
Gw naming at its finest
celest dome
There are also special lenses for various shooting, but only one is legal
arctic talon
Yeah
Generally autoguns have a lot more weird and exotic munitions designed for them
Mostly due to how it’s easier to design a bullet
celest dome
And Autogun is more likely to be thing the new recruit know how to uss
celest dome
Compared to Lasgun
crystal forum
i dont think regular regiments would use modified autoguns like that
arctic talon
Not often
celest dome
Modified rounds sure
crystal forum
generally lasguns are seen as more professional for whatever reason
storm jungle
generally lasguns are seen as more professional for whatever reason
they are basically AK47s so
arctic talon
Then you use an autogun
Lasguns are better mostly
They’re more lethal per shot
In theory
fervent gull
Dilara joined in
crystal forum
they are basically AK47s so
autopistols are not seen as worse than laspistols so find it weird
languid meadow
Then make your lasgun weird
Hate Vostroya for what they did to the lasgun
rose thorn
Well who can be an upgrade sprues then
arctic talon
It’s an heirloom
storm jungle
autopistols are not seen as worse than laspistols so find it weird
same thing
arctic talon
Well who can be an upgrade sprues then
Cadian lookalike regiments
Indigan praefects for gsc minis
rose thorn
Because gsc wants one and it’s in the most over priced kit known to man
arctic talon
Lol
Curse of Killteam
Cadians use standard gear
Ultimately
So a lot of regiments look kind of similar
There’s some unique cadian stuff
crystal forum
"unique"
arctic talon
The guard walkers
crystal forum
the chicken
languid meadow
It’s an heirloom
a bubba mosin can be an heirloom doesn't mean it's safe from criticism😭
rose thorn
Idk why I thought like “that’s the worst name for a tank it sounds just like the walker”
arctic talon
💀
fervent gull
It came to my mind about the sentinels, can they modify a sentinel to hold 2 weapons at the same time?
arctic talon
Yes
fervent gull
Nice
crystal forum
they already do no?
fervent gull
I didnt see on dow and on any mod
rose thorn
Gw pls release gsc krieg art
fervent gull
Dont know about miniatures
arctic talon
But yeah the cadian sentinel is uparmored and has an autocannon lol
fervent gull
crystal forum
But yeah the cadian sentinel is uparmored and has an autocannon lol
resin
celest dome
Give GSC an ULM plane or rudimentary helicopter
languid meadow
Just port over old gyrocopter models
crystal forum
Give GSC an ULM plane or rudimentary helicopter
there's already the shitty minivan
they could use that
celest dome
That's not flying though
crystal forum
celest dome
How does it use the yellow bombs ? Missiles ?
crystal forum
space minivan
fervent gull
Here’s a sentinel with 2 guns
Isnt that like 5?
celest dome
space minivan
Not like what I want though
crystal forum
Here’s a sentinel with 2 guns
that's a custom model
crystal forum
Not like what I want though
it's industrial
arctic talon
It’s a kitbash
celest dome
It’s a kitbash
White Dwarf stuff ?
crystal forum
it's 2 meters off the ground
arctic talon
Under the whole someone’s homebrew that’s now canon
crystal forum
peak dwarven tech
arctic talon
Not the art showcase stuff
Which is its own category
But generally the place where you can shove another gun on a sentinel
Is used for a utility tool
Like smoke/grenade launchers, a chainsaw, lights, a sensor
Ect.
nocturne crest
Here’s a sentinel with 2 guns
iirc, that's a chaos sentinels with chemical weapons
sour hornet
I bet if I downed a 12 pack of the 40k equivalent of Monster Energy, I could solo a Forgefiend with my meltagun
I
I think im him
crystal forum
give this man to the schola progenium NOW
arctic talon
iirc, that's a chaos sentinels with chemical weapons
Maybe I forgor
arctic talon
I bet if I downed a 12 pack of the 40k equivalent of Monster Energy, I could sol...
Green taurox
nocturne crest
Sorry, it's a while since I played Darktide, but do we have access to smoke grenades?
languid meadow
yea
arctic talon
Yeah
celest dome
Don't think we have known Chaos sentinels
arctic talon
Vets got them
celest dome
Sorry, it's a while since I played Darktide, but do we have access to smoke gren...
Right Blitz on Vet
arctic talon
Don't think we have known Chaos sentinels
We know traitor guard can have them
Anyways drink this
It’s good for you
(Probably)
celest dome
Yes but specific Chaos pattern
nocturne crest
Because I'm wondering if we should be able to use chemical weapons against Nurgle cultists.
arctic talon
Yes but specific Chaos pattern
The kitbash is labeled as a chemical assault sentinel
Used by traitor guard
So I’d assume the pattern exists already
The traitors just stole it for themselves
crystal forum
it's cheaper to fill you with caffeine than let you sleep healthy hours
i bet there's even some motivation pills in there
arctic talon
It’s not even caffeine
That shit is expired assasinorum frenzon
With other additives
To make it palatable
celest dome
Basically Meth and other drugs
crystal forum
idk what's funnier
the idea that the assassinorum has enough leftover frenzon to feed entire guard regiments
arctic talon
Tbh expired drugs can be anything from literal poison to less effective
Or worthless
nocturne crest
Yeah, as Acolytes/Arbites, should we get chemical weapons.
sour hornet
Bro give me this, a carapace chest plate, and a munitorum issue meltagun, and there isnt a foe i can't take
arctic talon
Bro give me this, a carapace chest plate, and a munitorum issue meltagun, and th...
I’m sure
crystal forum
i can't think of any chem weapons on tabletop for guard or arbites
nocturne crest
Banewolf?
sour hornet
Why not
arctic talon
Guard has the banewolf
sour hornet
Is VX gas not grimdark?
arctic talon
It shoots chemical weapons
crystal forum
it's a tank
crystal forum
not something you can have in darktide
arctic talon
They were awful
But you could pay a pretty penny to gas your own dudes as krieg
Or lost and the damned
crystal forum
Is VX gas not grimdark?
unironically it's too grimdark
so they instead go with corrosive green gas
sour hornet
bruh
crystal forum
or that type of shit
arctic talon
Well
Nerve agents are a thing in 40K
You just don’t see them represented in rules
crystal forum
because invisible gas that kills you with less than a milliliter of exposure is too depressing
nocturne crest
Tbf, I'm surprised no one has made chemical version of a flamer for the guard.
arctic talon
But the imperiums chemical weapons are under represented on the tabletop
It’s all in lore
arctic talon
Tbf, I'm surprised no one has made chemical version of a flamer for the guard.
Like the banewolfs chem sprayer?
Would be cool
crystal forum
It’s all in lore
it's not used that often
arctic talon
Yeah
crystal forum
like cadia doesn't use any during its fall
nocturne crest
Like the banewolfs chem sprayer?
Yeah, like a little handheld version.
crystal forum
a pressure washer with acid
nocturne crest
But upon thinking about it, wouldn't chemical weapons empower the nurgle cultists in darktide?
arctic talon
No
sour hornet
no?
arctic talon
It’s not a disease
sour hornet
^
sour hornet
well
sour hornet
idk maybe it would
nurgle astartes on Vraks did freebase the gas very explicitly
nocturne crest
I thought that's why the Imperium stopped using virus bombs.
Because it empowered Nurgle.
crystal forum
they still use virus bombs
nurgle cant resist virus bombs
they literally devour all living matter
crystal forum
then it's all blown up
arctic talon
the chemical weapons Nurgle warband
crystal forum
the blowing up part is what really kills
nocturne crest
Huh. TIL, there is something like the zapper glove from Fallout in 40k.
*Zap Glove.
crystal forum
has there ever been a less relevant war than the spinward front
it's just where abnet goes to to do his guard larp
storm jungle
absolutely terrible
crystal forum
idk those are 1:1 necron and space marine
surreal nest
GW doesnt own a pose they didnt have to pay squat
surreal nest
glep is painting 40k in season 3
What is thia even from? I know smiling friends but what is this panel?
Like a leak or something?
crystal forum
your mom
surreal nest
crystal forum
crystal forum
car
rose thorn
Back to chem hw
How the fuck do making bonds work and when do they happpeb
WAIT GOT IT
AHAHAHAHH
crystal forum
maggie can be trusted with caustic chemicals
lament shoal
Deep sea creature
rose thorn
maggie can be trusted with caustic chemicals
I FIGURED OUT BREAK BONDS, THEY DONT MATTERRRRR AHAHAHAAHA
wait
or
YEAH IM GOOD
AHHAHAHA
crystal forum
mad scientist arc
rose thorn
OH
THE BONDS BECOME LONE PAIRS RIGHT?
YEAH
OKAY
NOW I JSUT NEED EQUALIBIRUMS
and renesance forms
outer wave
you know anime and random 40k facts
True!
plush mason
rose thorn
need someone smart about chemistry, is an atom with just a double bond haev linar geometry?
or is it no geometry
crystal forum
need someone smart about chemistry, is an atom with just a double bond haev lin...
you could ping the 2 people in this channel who never stop talking about chemistry
larmoth and seythi
prob seythi he seems like an ultra nerd
rose thorn
i pinged larmoth today already and id ont think ive seen seythi in a week
also i didnt know htey liked chem
crystal forum
@winged jacinth i invoke chemistry nerd
rose thorn
i know elite is chem smart but i hate to ask
crystal forum
materials science is the closest i can get to chemistry without burning alive like a demon entering holy ground
outer wave
Biology is based! And zoology is too!
crystal forum
biology is where you find the most really dedicated scientists
i swear biology dorks talking about their favorite animals is always fun
rose thorn
biochem sucks but its better than chem
crystal forum
biochem sucks but its better than chem
what's the difference
surreal nest
daring creek
I wonder why Jesse continued to sell meth even when he was making millions just cooking it
He definitely felt guilty doing it. I feel he did it to "break even"
rose thorn
am i stupid? is there no lone pairs in cyclophophamide
surreal nest
Never about the money for him and he was under contract
crystal forum
before gus jesse had to do all the selling of the operation
daring creek
I feel his greed partially rubbed off on Walter
daring creek
before gus jesse had to do all the selling of the operation
Mhm
crystal forum
dude walter is the greedy one
daring creek
Now gus is doing it all
surreal nest
Jesse was lonely and Walter was taking advantage of him
surreal nest
Also I think Jesse was just disenfranchised by the real world
His parents treated him like a failure and his only real experience in looking for a job was humiliating
crystal forum
this is true also. the scene where he tries to get a job at a bank with his actual skills and he gets rejected for not having a degree
storm jungle
It very much is all Walt's fault in the end yeah, hes a wildcard that literally ruined everything. What Mike tells to him as hes sitting and dying sums up the entire ordeal very well
daring creek
dude walter is the greedy one
Oh I get it. Walts greed rubbed off on jesse. But I think Walt nearly settled with that operation until Jess complained to him about how they weren't getting the full profit from their meth cooking.
storm jungle
Nah
Walt would have thought it himself sooner or later
He hates being catered to or ordered around
he has a unchecked ego
surreal nest
Jesse unironically did nothing wrong
The entire show would be innocent if Walter didnt do what he did
daring creek
"You are a millionaire and you're complaining?"
crystal forum
my hopeful ending is that jesse ended up going to college after disappearing up north
daring creek
Jesse unironically did nothing wrong
Selling meth to people in rehab?
surreal nest
my hopeful ending is that jesse ended up going to college after disappearing up ...
I bet he did
crystal forum
and becoming a successful businessman
he's literally the only good ending story in the entire show
surreal nest
Selling meth to people in rehab?
Didn't he not do that but he entered rehab with the intention
And then confessed
crystal forum
saul only gets a bittersweet ending where he stops running from his problems
but he's at least alive
and he's rightfully paying for his crimes he did
not that i support the prison system but as a character he deserves it
daring creek
He entered with the intention of selling meth....that's pretty bad but his confession shows he still has a strong conscience. I love that about him. Still human underneath.
Man thinking about it he's beyond traumatized
surreal nest
Well yeah but that means he didn't do it
surreal nest
The only bad thing Jesse did was not shoot Walter and burn down his house
daring creek
Though I'm not sure if I would say he did nothing wrong....
crystal forum
he wasn't a bad person deep down. he was always a good kid but was misguided
daring creek
The only bad thing Jesse did was not shoot Walter and burn down his house
What about his children????
surreal nest
What about his children????
They weren't home
daring creek
That was there home.
lament shoal
They'd still lose their home lol
crystal forum
What about his children????
his family would have supported it lol
daring creek
crystal forum
They'd still lose their home lol
jesse the type of guy to give them 5 million in cash
surreal nest
His family moved out of the house because of how painful it was to be attached to a drug lord who had stashes in there
crystal forum
something he's already done
because he feels guilt unlike every other BB character
daring creek
Dude listen I relate heavily to Flynn(walt jr) in having a dysfunctional family and I would not want to come home and find my house has been set on fucking fire by a meth head my fathers partnered with.
surreal nest
Yeah but they abandoned the house anyways after Walter is what im saying
daring creek
Along with all my belongings gone
surreal nest
They didnt like that house
crystal forum
walt jr isn't aware of the drugs until the last season
daring creek
I'm more worried about the kids
Tbh
Home or not home it ain't right and it wouldn't solve anything
surreal nest
Also they fully moved out of the house by the time Jesse tried to burn it down im pretty sure
daring creek
Moved out? Are you sure that wasn't just a hotel
crystal forum
walt would literally have helped his family more by dying after season 1
that's kind of the point of the show
he never did it for his family
daring creek
I'm positive that they signed into a hotel
crystal forum
it was all for himself
surreal nest
Well I think at around that point the DEA moved the family no?
storm jungle
he if you can believe it; broke bad
surreal nest
Shortly after Jesse worked with Hank
crystal forum
i think they say breaking bad like 2 times in the show?
lament shoal
he if you can believe it; **broke bad**
Say that again
storm jungle
Yeah only 2 times lmao
storm jungle
Say that again
lament shoal
What are we, some kinda breaking bad?
storm jungle
i get why because its such a fucking goofy term
lament shoal
I never get tired of those jokes lol they're so stupid
daring creek
Anyway. I think it began as something noble than quickly evolved into something else. Though the innocence slips away very...quickly.
crystal forum
it was never noble
walt literally admits at the last season
why do people never fucking listen
lament shoal
The imperial fists fandom is dying. Repost this if you love fisting
daring creek
I know
storm jungle
It started noble in his head, but he eventually realised it wasnt by the end
daring creek
I watched the series 3 times over I know whats said in the end.
crystal forum
i doubt it even was
storm jungle
It deffo was
crystal forum
3 times is rookie numbers
storm jungle
Walt didnt know he had that DOG in him until the end
daring creek
3 times is rookie numbers
storm jungle
daring creek
Hes schleeping w his eyes open...
lament shoal
Lmao
surreal nest
It started noble *in his head*, but he eventually realised it wasnt by the end
Yeah Walter turned desperation into an ego trip its crazy
Dude was unhinged
crystal forum
when you can identify even half of the random songs used in BB you are starting to be a fan
storm jungle
Dude was unhinged
hes just your average 40k fan
we should wish we were as good as him
surreal nest
Jesse is an age of sigmar fan