40k-lore-chat

[queen laurel]

Yes I always appreciate it when game devs allow me to run their games on the lowest of my settings

[rose thorn]

bro someg ames are literally unplayable at min settings so they can pretend their game is consumer friendly

[opaque coyote]

You know that the backlash is true and that you fucked up. It lags even on the highest end consumer hardware.

You're planning to try and make a fix.

[rose thorn]

apex legends looks like im watching titan fall 2 wihtout my glasses in a movietheater

[opaque coyote]

And then out comes your CEO, who can't be fired because he is a direct founder

[rose thorn]

fucking question

[opaque coyote]

Fucking saying shit like "real fans pay extra"

"You got old tech so you can't play in 4k"

[opaque coyote]

And other bullshit

[rose thorn]

when was this not godo enough?

[opaque coyote]

You don't understand, we need to see the pores

[rose thorn]

my laptop can urn titan fall 2 on max setting fine

[opaque coyote]

[queen laurel]

I just wish optimization is more of a priority for games now

[rose thorn]

YOU CANS EE THE FUCKING GRIB RIDGES ON THE RECIEVER

[queen laurel]

This is why I am begging I am begging King art games

Please allow me to run Dawn of war 4

[rose thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETIJsxm6dzw

[queen laurel]

Gorkamorka I am begging you

[rose thorn]

vs

[queen laurel]

Please make Dawn of war 4 optimized

[opaque coyote]

It needs more.

MORE.

Jokes aside, I think the greatest trick was convincing consumers to solve optimization by just

Increasing the hardware

[rose thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9QGlKpMEl4

[opaque coyote]

Why put in months of work

Polishing the game to work on lower end hardware

When you can just

Say they're too poor

[arctic talon]

Capcom just can’t optimize for shit on PC, ever lol

See; monster hunter world on launch as well

Actually they’re just bad at optimizing

[opaque coyote]

Fromsoft also

[arctic talon]

Considering how badly that game ran at launch

lol

[opaque coyote]

Love their games

[rose thorn]

literaly tell me what looks bettero n apex legends for like 3 times the tech requirements

[arctic talon]

Japanese game dev has been here

[opaque coyote]

But they cannot like

[arctic talon]

How can you tell

Awful optimization

[opaque coyote]

Optimize on pc

At all

[rose thorn]

xbox games have not been optimized in decades

[opaque coyote]

Yeah part of the reason why that's the case is that

PC gaming isn't actually that large in the Asian hemisphere

[queen laurel]

I can run armored core fires Rubicon though but I'm guessing it wasn't good at release

[rose thorn]

how is a videogame lagging ONT HE XBOX 1 X

[opaque coyote]

It's mostly PlayStations and Switches

[arctic talon]

It had an optimization pass fast

Ironically

Monster hunter wilds runs great on consoles

[rose thorn]

THE GAME WAS SPECIFICALLY MADE FOR THE XBOX 1 X HOW ARE YOU LAGGING

[arctic talon]

On the other hand

On PC

oh boy

[opaque coyote]

Smh too poor

Need RTX 5090

[arctic talon]

The optimization for wilds on PC is a shitshow lol

It’s as bad as World

[opaque coyote]

Also the saddest part is that

[arctic talon]

Which is impressive

[opaque coyote]

Unironically

[queen laurel]

They fix world right

[opaque coyote]

Borderlands 4 is literally lagging

[arctic talon]

Yeah, and then they broke it again with Iceborne

lol

[opaque coyote]

On builds with an RTX 5090

Like

[arctic talon]

But world ran like shit

[opaque coyote]

I'm not joking

[rose thorn]

fucking codl war that was it

[arctic talon]

On the base 360 and PS3

lol

[queen laurel]

I can relatively safely run iron harvest

[opaque coyote]

On the literal highest specs that you can get on the market that isn't just making a super computer

[arctic talon]

Which is why they cut it

[rose thorn]

coldwar lagged on launch on the xbox 1 x

[queen laurel]

Please King art I am begging you

[arctic talon]

From 360 and the PS3

[opaque coyote]

Borderlands 4 still lags

[queen laurel]

Optimize this

[arctic talon]

lol

Prolly for the best

Bl4 has a memory leak

lol

Somewhere

The game lags more the longer you run it

[rose thorn]

BL4 LAGS THE XBOX?!!??!!?

[arctic talon]

No

It lags everything

There’s a memory leak

[rose thorn]

Randy Pitchford faces backlash over Borderlands 4’s Xbox performance issues and missing features

[rose thorn]

AH

[arctic talon]

Or multiple memory leaks

lol

[rose thorn]

HOW

[opaque coyote]

"NO. WE SHALL MAKE IT 30 FPS ON AN RTX 5090"

[arctic talon]

How?

Didn’t have enough time to check the code

Prolly

Idfk

[rose thorn]

WE LIVE IN 2025 THEY CAN GO TO WALMART AND TEST IT FOR 5 MINUTES

[arctic talon]

Well

[queen laurel]

That's actually the case laati I am piled driving your skull straight through the floor do not take this from me

[arctic talon]

Knowing there’s a memory leak

And fixing it

Is 2 different issues

Lol

[rose thorn]

fuckign at least say there is a memory leak before you erlease it

[queen laurel]

Speaking of is marvel rivals just like a victim of Asian optimization

[arctic talon]

I don’t know what the code base for it

[queen laurel]

For a multiplayer game it runs like f****** garbage

[arctic talon]

Do not play it on the base PS4 or Xbox one lol

[rose thorn]

also whos asking for better graphics btw

[arctic talon]

It can run

But the word play is generous

[opaque coyote]

No it's just a premium game for premium gamers (tm)

[arctic talon]

You need an Xbox one X/ps4 pro at least

lol

[opaque coyote]

Seriously the marketing team for Gearbox must be on suicide watch

I genuinely feel bad for them

[arctic talon]

lol

Well

[rose thorn]

what videogame needs to look better than the last of us

[opaque coyote]

40k video games

Gotta render the gigantic cathedrals

[rose thorn]

space mairne 2 needs to look like 10% better than 1

not 1400

[arctic talon]

I mean space marine 2 runs fine

lol

[rose thorn]

yeah

i mean i cnat run it

[opaque coyote]

I mean tbf the gaming industry has had huge changes in graphics for most of its history.

It is unironically slowing down now

Diminishing returns

[arctic talon]

What are you using genuine question

Because it can run on my shitty laptop

Now granted it gets hot

[queen laurel]

You want optimization but want it to look good

Battlefront 2

[arctic talon]

But that’s a given

[rose thorn]

let me get it but the website said i cant run it

[queen laurel]

Like battlefront has found a way to make a game look good while running relatively good

[arctic talon]

Anyways Capcom

Please make monster hunter run good

On PC next time

Or don’t

Idfk, why can’t you ever optimize monster hunter on launch lol

[rose thorn]

fuckw here do i check my stats lmao

i alwasy forget

ill just copy and paste from task

i now nothing about ocmputers

[queen laurel]

Did rise also run like s***

Genuinely asking

[rose thorn]

also idk what npu is

[arctic talon]

For how it looked yeah

[rose thorn]

but i added it

[arctic talon]

lol

Like yeah it ran at a stable 60 fps

But it couldn’t run any better

lol

Not without frame drops

[rose thorn]

is houd look up what npu is beacuse im uisng 0% of it

oh ai shit

can i highjack that crap to do anything else

[arctic talon]

This should be able to run sm2

I think lol

Just by eyeballing it

Bit light on ram

Might be why

[rose thorn]

yeah i plant o buy more

[arctic talon]

The GPU and CPU is fine

For like most stuff

[rose thorn]

when i find it secodn hadn because im not spedning 140 dollars onit without even installation

[opaque coyote]

Either way, public investment companies for video games

Were a mistake

[rose thorn]

iw onder if best buy will install t

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[rose thorn]

the good news is that triple a games are pretty ass now so your nto mssing out much

[arctic talon]

But it’s like extra money

[opaque coyote]

Hold on let me just

[arctic talon]

You gotta pay them

[opaque coyote]

Post something

[rose thorn]

i have that best buy yearly account

[arctic talon]

It’s cheap though iirc

[rose thorn]

the uh, bestbuy lpus

[celest dome]

Isn't his son being thought as the future person controling the company ?

[opaque coyote]

Yeah. I don't think his son is that interested though

He likes racing and shit

[rose thorn]

you know there is like

GoG

in case that happens

[rose thorn]

good news for him teh company litreally runs it self

[opaque coyote]

GoG has it's own problems

But yeah

[arctic talon]

His son is likely getting all of Gabens shares

Which doesn’t make him CEO

It just makes him majority share holder

Anyways point being it doesn’t matter

[rose thorn]

yeah like beign owned by millennials archiving games from like 1970

[opaque coyote]

In a private trade companies

[arctic talon]

Valve has 3 different golden gooses lol

lol

Anyways did ya guys hear about the 1500$ CSGO skin

As in

[rose thorn]

again?

[arctic talon]

Valve is selling it

For 1500$

[rose thorn]

WHAT

[arctic talon]

And I thought the 500$ league of legends skin was bad

But nah this one costs 3x more

[opaque coyote]

I mean the key trading system basically fucking over people from 3rd world countries

[arctic talon]

And it’s an AK skin

lol

[rose thorn]

how did they beat out valorent on that shit lmao

[arctic talon]

Also it’s from a lootbox before you ask

[opaque coyote]

Game archival is worthy though

[arctic talon]

Look the most expensive Valorant skin is like 120 something dollars

[rose thorn]

i forgtot o finish my bit

[opaque coyote]

Gotta beat their competitors

[arctic talon]

The most expensive CSGO skin directly sold by valve is 1500$ now

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

Which is

A lot

[rose thorn]

yeah like beign owned by millennials archiving games from like 1970 with 14 mods pre installed

[opaque coyote]

Jokes aside though

Bruh

I swear they know exactly how idiotic we are

And unfortunately their hand is the only one that doesn't have spikes

All hail Steam

All hail our God Emperor

[rose thorn]

well lukcily i have a hobby liek warhammer

[opaque coyote]

Yeah you get to buy a big toy figurine for $2000

[rose thorn]

at least i own it forever

[opaque coyote]

Seriously I think the Titans actually cost that much

[rose thorn]

i cant believe gamers are now only complainign about shit in the EULA htey signed for 15 yeras now

[arctic talon]

But yeah point being you can pay 1500$ for an AK skin

From valve now

[opaque coyote]

Knowing Valve and how they somehow have like two multiplayer games somehow still fully active and alive

[arctic talon]

Look on the upside

You don’t gamble for it

On the downside

You are literally paying 1500$

For a fucking skin

[rose thorn]

wahts the skin

[opaque coyote]

Maybe it will last forever

[rose thorn]

does it come with a car

[opaque coyote]

Tbf

Nobody fucking reads that shit

And they knew that

[rose thorn]

I READ IT

[opaque coyote]

Oh fr

[rose thorn]

i was raised in a read rthe eula household

[opaque coyote]

I tried to but it was filled with like

The most dry wording possible

Which is 100% intentional

They could summarize it in like 3 paragraphs max

[arctic talon]

Sorry my bad it’s 1582$ M4 skin

[opaque coyote]

But they don't

[opaque coyote]

For a good reason

[arctic talon]

Here’s the proof

[opaque coyote]

...bro

It doesn't even look that good

[arctic talon]

Someone rolled it on the new valve skin direct buy system

[rose thorn]

thats how i know that in fallout 76 you arent intitld toa refund if you get scammed by otehr players

[opaque coyote]

AT LEAST MAKE IT LOOK COOL

For fucks sake EVEN UBISOFT UNDERSTANDS THAT

There's a skin that you can buy with only 100k renown in R6S

Which is what you earn from actually playing

[opaque coyote]

And it makes every gun coated in a diamond sheen

[opaque coyote]

It actually looks pretty cool

[rose thorn]

buy the real life gun mf

i hope whenyou buyt e skinyou get sent an irl ar 15

[opaque coyote]

M4A4 technically doesn't exist

It's a fictional Ar-15 variant

[rose thorn]

idk guns

[opaque coyote]

They thought of everything

[rose thorn]

ay i was right

[arctic talon]

The M4A1 irl

Is cheaper then that skin

[rose thorn]

AGAHAHA

ITS ONLY 400 DOLLARS

[opaque coyote]

And yet they won't buff weapons

Like seriously at least buff the fucking M249

Or the Bizon

[arctic talon]

No

Fuck tou

AK and M4 Only

CSGO has so many fucking guns

And only like

6 of them are good

Or 7

[opaque coyote]

Because the player base only wants the same game

Something new to shake up the meta?

Keep things interesting?

Nah let's just make it fucking boring

[arctic talon]

Well

Whenever they do

Everyone bitches and moans

And the gun gets nerfed into oblivion lol

[opaque coyote]

Half the time it was justified

Half the time it wasn't

[rose thorn]

woah sounds like 40k

[arctic talon]

No

[opaque coyote]

The infamous R8 incident

[arctic talon]

Because 40k nerfs ain’t got shit on CS nerfs

lol

If a rifle that isn’t the AK or M4 is viable

[rose thorn]

ah lmao

[arctic talon]

That shit is gona be dead and buried

[opaque coyote]

The budget rifles might as well not exist

They're fucking useless

[arctic talon]

The Aug

Lmao

Poor Aug

Got 2 patches in the spotlight

[rose thorn]

now imagine paying for a game for all of that

[arctic talon]

Was hated so much valve tore its legs off and beat it to death

[opaque coyote]

I think the only weapons that are good are like

Mag-7
Auto shotty
Ak
M4
P90
AWP
Scout

[arctic talon]

CZ has use on pistol rounds

Sawed off is an eco gun

And uhhhh

What’s it’s name

[opaque coyote]

The nova is better in that regard tbh.

The sawed off needs you to be in actual kissing range

Just barely better than the taser

Still buy it though

It is satisfying to use

I genuinely wish CSGO had more meta shifts

Sorry

CS2*

[arctic talon]

They won’t

[opaque coyote]

But at the same time, Valve would probably get an assassination attempt

[arctic talon]

People hated the Krieg and Aug being meta

[opaque coyote]

Because they decided to touch the meta that is the holy duo: M4 and Ak

[arctic talon]

And the FAMAS and Galil being meta

[opaque coyote]

No idea why they hated that

[arctic talon]

No skill

Cheap

Boring

[opaque coyote]

Like it's not like it was better than the M4/Ak

[arctic talon]

Those were all real arguments

lol

People wanted to see M4 and AK rounds

Ig Idfk

[opaque coyote]

Pain

Like idk just make the M249 cheaper and buff the damage a bit

Make it Terrorist exclusive and give the CTs something else

Idk

[arctic talon]

They won’t

lol

Remember when it was good

[opaque coyote]

Yeah this is just a magical hypothetical

[arctic talon]

Fuck it make the auto sniper good

I don’t play CS that much anymore

I just want to see terror

[opaque coyote]

... you're assuming that there was ever a time.

Even then, I think the Negev outclassed it in "expensive shittery"

And it was fun

Tbh

I tried it on an old build

I kinda think that's what the M249 should be tbh

[arctic talon]

No they way over buffed the M249

For one patch

lol

[opaque coyote]

The Old Negev basically was

Like the destroyer of worlds

[arctic talon]

It was super fucking cheap

[opaque coyote]

But the problem was that it was so expensive that

You can only buy it if you were already stomping

Also had like the highest recoil

In a game with already high recoil

[arctic talon]

That one patch they made it way too cheap

Was really fucking funny

[opaque coyote]

What did it cost

Like

[arctic talon]

Because it proved the gun was actually good

In a vacuum

[opaque coyote]

3.4k?

2k?

I was thinking like

Around 4k tbh

Like I think that's fair

[arctic talon]

It was like 3k

[opaque coyote]

Damn

[arctic talon]

For a patch, and then they reversed it

Because

3k M249

[opaque coyote]

I think for once Valve should stop listening and just

Implement a patch that buffs a weak weapon

And see

Like I do like aspects of CS

The problem is that after a bit it gets boring to me

Because it's the fucking same

It revolves around two god damned weapons

[arctic talon]

3

The awp

[opaque coyote]

Although I think the CS Deagle is still like

The most fun hand cannon in a video game

Genuinely feels satisfying to use

I've never seen any other game that made using a Deagle or a high caliber revolver feel like you're actually using something truly powerful

CS actually wins in that regard

[arctic talon]

I like the Destiny special ammo hand cannon

That’s a pocket sniper

lol

[opaque coyote]

Like I think the gunplay in Siege is fine

But a problem I have with Siege is the revolvers and shit

Despite being high caliber they literally just feel like any other pistol

At least the marksman rifle sound is meaty

[arctic talon]

Siege gunplay feels like shit nowadays

Glad I dropped it

lol

[opaque coyote]

Why did they jack up the recoil of so many guns that a meme gun became meta

[arctic talon]

Idk

[opaque coyote]

These trained operators that spent years of their life learning and executing counter terrorism techniques

Cannot handle the power of using

A 9mm smg

Tbh I wouldn't be able to handle that shit either

But I am not somebody who's supposed to be an elite counter terrorist unit

[rose thorn]

https://youtu.be/EQoFeceDazk?si=GN8P6cE7K9OUvbDq

Glad they are doing religion faction to a science run

OH YEAH I FORGOT

https://youtu.be/e-YTktAP1U8?si=RNGj9PEaSZTNaueP

[vagrant fox]

i'm pogging

[arctic talon]

Oh

They’re back?

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/broken-lords-endless-legend-trailer-gif-21361043

YEAH

[valid needle]

Yes the imperium is very based we know

[rose thorn]

They are colonizers of the planet now instead of native

Which lines up with the broken lord reference in endless space 1

Oh yeha also necrophagse is back

https://youtu.be/8k1OoHNwutU?si=6Haq4Vfs0ZvHKloi

What’s weird was they are native to thsi planet too

[valid needle]

High lords when asked why they genocided the 5th friendly aliens this week

https://tenor.com/view/i-did-it-because-i-liked-it-i-did-it-because-i-liked-it-punisher-punisher-daredevil-punisher-court-scene-punisher-court-speech-gif-9280760464850102883

[arctic talon]

Not many friendly ones left to genocide ironically

The great crusade did a great job at killing most of them

[valid needle]

We evil up in here

Ignore my fellow imperium fans who say we’re the good guys. No we not. We evil and dripped out.

[rose thorn]

The voices say I wanna play more underworlds

But there isn’t even gonna be a torm til spotewood

Spitewood*

[arctic talon]

It’s true

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah forgot to submit my results to the thing

[arctic talon]

Embrace how comically evil the imperium is

It’s more fun that way

[valid needle]

Frfr

Although I think there’s going to be a bit of a shift if I’m honest

And I don’t like it

[green loom]

That shift happened like over a decade ago

Well over tbh

[valid needle]

No I mean a shift towards alliances with xenos and such. It’s already started with guilliman.

[green loom]

Solely because they had to make space marines more palatable for marketing reason

[green loom]

Oh god no

Guilliman is still a pretty fanatical xenophobe

he and the Ynnari side eyed pretty much immediately

[near wasp]

Just because you have a black friend doesn't mean you can't still be a racist

[valid needle]

No alliances

Everyone is evil

Everyone do murder

But I do have a feeling they’ll begin easing up on the evil imperium stuff to appeal to the good guy audiences

Evil imperiums stories are the best imperium stories

[near wasp]

Ah yeah because I'd rather die than work with those alien bastards

It's more of "fuck it well both die to bugs if we don't work together, well settle this later"

[valid needle]

This warhammer 40K everyone evil

[near wasp]

Being evil doesn't mean you lack self preservation

[crystal forum]

imperium and votaan working together as it should be

the best combo

[valid needle]

Could do

But we saw how the imperium handle species with equal or better tech

Horus shot one dead upon immediately meeting on the VS

[arctic talon]

The shift happened in like 5e or 6e lol

[green loom]

That happened yeeeeeeears ago

How many times have you heard of Grimaldus?

[valid needle]

I mean even more

[green loom]

There's a dime a dozen stupid "Le noble good guy" stories all over the place in 40k r n

Mainly the more boring space marine books and the odd guard one

[valid needle]

Yeah

And then you see his new slot in the new BT codex💀

[green loom]

I'll say the BT codex was very based for that

[valid needle]

Idk it seemed off to me

[arctic talon]

I think he’d do it

lol

[green loom]

Very in line with marines

[valid needle]

It seemed more like a straight up coward move than anything

[arctic talon]

Not really

Marines are practical in that manner

[green loom]

Marines are often pretty monstrously pragmatic

And Grimaldus is no salamander

[valid needle]

Sneaking away from battle then killing your own guys along with the enemy

[green loom]

That's just taktikz

[valid needle]

He’s a grown man, melee the chaos puppets

[green loom]

Trade worthless serfs for long war vets, easy choice

[raven stone]

I guess BL not having more Xenos centric books don’t help either

[green loom]

Yeap

Or like books where the Imperium are the main antagonist

[raven stone]

Or, to be VERY specific
Not enough Gue’vesa specific books

[green loom]

And not at most vaguely secondary to some cult

[raven stone]

A human brought up under Tau would most likely see how fucked IoM is

[arctic talon]

Ngl

[green loom]

Give me rebellion stories, or about people who are under the Imperium's thumb

[arctic talon]

I don’t really care gue’vesa books

I’d rather just get more tau ones

[raven stone]

All good, we all like different teas

[arctic talon]

Ye

[celest dome]

Nicassar book

https://tenor.com/view/ragdoll-ragdoll-cat-cat-inhaler-featherkiss-bedfellows-gif-11612167093603504073

[rocky gale]

I like Earl Grey

[arctic talon]

I like green tea

Or oolong

[rocky gale]

I like Earl Grey because I fucking love the taste of bergamot

[languid meadow]

prob missed the convo but the new books look cool

[celest dome]

Bergamot is so great

Rare to find the fruits in any market though

Used to make Madeleines with some when I would find them

[green loom]

I don't like tea

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/you-just-have-to-be-gif-15522725

[valid needle]

Gimme more nightlord books

[vagrant fox]

Licquorice tea is bombing

[green loom]

We're getting at least 1 with the Dark Heresy game

[valid needle]

Fr?

Yeah but then they’ll not do another for years probably

[languid meadow]

https://darkheresy.owlcat.games

can't wait

[opaque coyote]

It's to the point where some fans have

[valid needle]

If we don’t get at least 40 flayings im going to be very distraught

[opaque coyote]

Somehow misunderstood the entire point of the setting

Let me just find

A wonderful social media post

[arctic talon]

My le angels of death kill people

[languid meadow]

also the insane theories that we're getting a dark crusade game in the far future due to the art in the background of the card segments

I don't think we'll get a DC game from owlcat

[arctic talon]

The naming

Of them rather

[valid needle]

Death murder kill?

[arctic talon]

They were labeled OW, BC and DW

for the runner up teasers

[languid meadow]

true

but I think Only War will not work like a traditional owlcat game

[arctic talon]

I agree

They may also be red herrings

[valid needle]

You know what would be funny

[arctic talon]

I want an AoS d100 system

GW please

[valid needle]

Now that I’ve seen the persons name here

[opaque coyote]

"Therefore they are the good guys"

💀

[valid needle]

Ciaphas Cain live action movie with Henry cavill as propaganda Cain and Simon pegg as real cain

[opaque coyote]

Also

[opaque coyote]

"Culture oriented in efficiency"

...

For the Imperium

Yeah

Okay buddy

[languid meadow]

hold up this is fire

[opaque coyote]

"No trust me, we NEED to add gothic arches and skulls to our space ships.x

[valid needle]

That’s what I’m sayin

[languid meadow]

unironically tho live action CC stuff would need two versions because it would be hilarious

[opaque coyote]

Honestly

That is exactly what I imagine tbh.

Every scene with Cain alone or with his inner dialogue is with Pegg.

Every scene where he interacts with another person has him turn into Cavill

And imagine a moment where he is actually heroic

And it's purely Pegg doing all of the things

It's his truest self deciding to sacrifice himself despite his cowardice

[valid needle]

Some mfs can’t just be happy being the bad guys

[opaque coyote]

"Optimized utility"

Yeah bro the plasma gun is totally optimized and idiot proof

I honestly think the only weapon the Imperium has that's actually like

[rocky gale]

"Religion based on cooperation"

Yea

[opaque coyote]

Fully optimized is the Lasgun.

Every other weapon has a huge flaw

[arctic talon]

Who’s gona tell them

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-miles-morales-i-love-chai-tea-chai-tea-tea-gif-4537088392959266195

[rocky gale]

Their Religion is literally designed to keep everyone suspicious of eachother

[valid needle]

Ngl I would like to see what a high lord would do if their child was a psyker and got told yep big e needs a top up we’re sacrificing your kid.

[spring cairn]

humanity in 40k peaked with the lasgun

it doesn't get any better

[valid needle]

No its based on big god e not cooperation

[spring cairn]

logistician's wet dream

[opaque coyote]

Usually it's either keeping them a secret

[arctic talon]

Prolly shrug their shoulders

[opaque coyote]

Or just giving them to the black ships

Or even just training them and... let's just say

Giving a little nudge to prevent them from being sacrificed

[opaque coyote]

Tbf I think it's implied a lot of DAoT weapons are better than what the Imperium has

[valid needle]

Or like one of their family being forced into a servitor. I think it would be cool to see if that mentality changes when what they’ve been doing to others finally is done to them by another high lord or imperium authority.

[spring cairn]

implied

[opaque coyote]

The problem is that they're all lost tech

[spring cairn]

you mean it's the case

but still

lasgun sweep

[opaque coyote]

Yeah but we don't necessarily know how big of a difference it is exactly

[spring cairn]

huge diff

p sure it's a known thing

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, a personal theory I have is that the Lasgun is equivalent to a hunting rifle for colonists

Back in the colonization up to the DAoT era

When things went to shit and suddenly all the fancy technology can't be maintained easily because the supply chain broke down

They went for the basics

So their basic hunting rifle became the main weapon we know

[opaque coyote]

We know it is a huge difference.

But how vast that difference is highly dependant. It's still huge no matter what though

[young pecan]

Lasgun either melts organs or tickles

I love 40k writing

[spring cairn]

writer issue sadly

but allegedly it's like getting hit by a 40cal

that's what I believe anyway, so it's canon

[opaque coyote]

I think a quote that says it best is that.

90% of the Xenos, civilizations, etc. that can be destroyed by a Lasgun already have been.

What's left are mainly the ones that aren't so easily damaged

[opaque coyote]

Well supposedly, one shot can shoot your arm off.

Lasgun power settings also exist.

You can have them go higher for more damage but they become less reliable

Unless if they were made for it like Hotshots

In fact, that's my headcanon for why there's different laser colors.

Red is the Lasgun on a lower power setting to conserve ammo

[arctic talon]

I mean it blows holes in humans if they’re not wearing armor

Armor helps stop it easily though lol

Flak armor can absorb it well

Carapace absorbs it very well

But spoiler alert

Most factions have flak or flak equivalent at a baseline

Which means lasguns need to damage it sufficiently to get to the soft and squishy insides(excluding nurglites)

Or the armor fails in the first place

Or you cook the target inside armor

[opaque coyote]

Tbf flak armor is closer to like

How it reacts to actual gunshots.

It can block a couple.

But it will hurt like hell, it's now half broken, and one more shot will probably kill you

[arctic talon]

Yes

But it does protect you

Anyways point being

If you shoot an eldar

It’s like shooting carapace or power armor

So of course it’s not going to blow their fucking limbs off

[opaque coyote]

Just take off your helmet.

[arctic talon]

It’s like shooting a lasgun at carapace armor

[opaque coyote]

Now suddenly they instantly die

[arctic talon]

lol

[opaque coyote]

[arctic talon]

Lasguns work well on Orks

Unfortunately

Ork flesh is about as tough as flak armor

And orks wear armor on top of that

So keep on shooting

[opaque coyote]

I swear it is mentioned that

Autoguns are more effective on orks

Cause louder sound = deadlier

[arctic talon]

It’s noted to make them rout more easily

Because of the noise it makes

Like lasguns are pretty fucking consistent in depiction

As far as 40k guns go

[rose thorn]

space marine players acting like they are a philosphy major after reading dark imperium

[languid meadow]

we need to start shoving space marine players into lockers again

[rose thorn]

they need to include a book in every army set box

put fucking sper of teh emperor or somethign

avenging son in a box

[storm jungle]

oh my god

[lament shoal]

Everyone in that comment section except that guy who said it was both should be subjected to servitorization. Lets see if they still think the imperium are the good guys then

[storm jungle]

im so fucking sick of the "hobby tourist" shit

[storm jungle]

They really think they'll be someone like Sigismund fighting on the front lines

mfer you are gonna be a janitor slave

[rose thorn]

its the ultimate strawman

[storm jungle]

ironically its the biggest redflag of "im just a dipshit"

[rose thorn]

i just make fun of people who never read a blacklibrary book

which is the same group who call other poeple tourists

[arctic talon]

Bruh I’m gone be worked to death in a manufactorum

Janitor is lucky

I’d say

[rose thorn]

i was gonna sya if you get tranfered to 40k whats the chacne you become race swapped buti realized htat is not the right wording

how likleywould you be to be a xenos instead

[lament shoal]

Me and the boys finna be door servitors on Hab-Block 5-48-1-L

[arctic talon]

Unlikely

[rose thorn]

id join a union (gsc)

[arctic talon]

There’s a lot of Humans

[arctic talon]

Look sometimes it’s a normal union, then the weird bald dudes take over

But it’s still a union

Mostly

[rose thorn]

id live liek 4% better life

[lament shoal]

That's literally what happened in rogue trader too 😭

[rose thorn]

until they hand out guns

[lament shoal]

Like that exact scenario

[arctic talon]

That’s when it gets funny and all of a sudden that really big dude you’re friends with starts looking a bit more purple for some reason

[rose thorn]

"TAkE BACK THE MEANS OF INDUSTRY"

[near wasp]

No the industry isn't bugs why would it be bugs

[rose thorn]

at thatpoint id be brainwashed or mind controlled tbf

[arctic talon]

Well yeah

[storm jungle]

also before i forget

[rose thorn]

which is porbably better living

[storm jungle]

I also love how the person is spewing that "daemon corax" thing

[arctic talon]

But Johan is looking a bit more purple then usual

[storm jungle]

oh my god I fucking hate when people repeat that shit constantly

WE GET IT

HE BEAT LORGAR

[arctic talon]

He’s not even a daemon

[storm jungle]

ENOUGH ALREADY

[rose thorn]

waht hte fuck is the daemon corax

[arctic talon]

Lorgar literally says that isn’t a daemon

[near wasp]

I just wanna see more of bird dad

[arctic talon]

Nothing

It’s misinformation

It’s Corax using psychic powers

[rose thorn]

oh

[arctic talon]

To make himself look freakier

And bigger

And stronger

[near wasp]

He's just embraced his primarchs hacks like the lion did

[rose thorn]

if i was a human and not bornde ot be completey diseased

and like skina nd bones

id porbbaly tryto joint he imperial navy

[languid meadow]

finding the nearest ledge

[near wasp]

That's a crime prepare to be skinned

[rose thorn]

50/50 chance i die a quick horribel death or literally notknow what the sound my gun makes

[arctic talon]

Thanks curze

[near wasp]

Np byb

Honestly let me join the guard, please just don't make me scribe please

If I have to scribe I'm gonna cry at my desk until I get shot for dereliction of duty

[rose thorn]

Chem homework makes wanna cry what the fuck am I looking at

How can I tell what a compound does by looking at a bunch of letters

[rose thorn]

/hj

[near wasp]

You would not survive in the mechanicus

[rose thorn]

whta is there to infer hwo am i supposed ot guess the chemical properties

[rose thorn]

i am a bio major

[arctic talon]

So you’d be in the mechanicus/hj

[rose thorn]

bruh

pls envirometnal biology is like the opposite goal of admech

[near wasp]

I know nothing about bio so I'm gonna take a wild guess

[languid meadow]

yeah I honestly forgot everything from my chem class in highschool

[rose thorn]

what the fuck is there to infer

this is letters

[near wasp]

That seems to be a long chain of bonds with carbo hydrons with nitrogen and boron I'd assume some strange starch or something

[languid meadow]

uh

[rose thorn]

its a derivate of mustard gas used for cancer treatment

nitrogen mustard

[near wasp]

I should of paid more attention in bio warfare class

[rose thorn]

its bio chem

[near wasp]

I live in america therefore

[rose thorn]

so do i

[near wasp]

[near wasp]

My second guess was legit some weapon, I would of guessed tear gas tho

[rocky gale]

[rocky gale]

I once made Chlorine gas by accident

We had to evacuate the lab

[rocky gale]

No idea what this means

[opaque coyote]

Y'know this is definitely obvious

But I wonder how awful the treatment of mental health is

...

and by that I mean like if you admit that you feel tired

Then would you just get beaten

Servitorized

Killed

?

[rocky gale]

Oh in 40k

[opaque coyote]

Is it like some 1984 shit where if you complain, you can suddenly find an Enforcer knocking on your door.

[opaque coyote]

I mean it's actually improved overall.

There's still a lot of stigma, misunderstandings, cultural hangups, and outright violence.

[rocky gale]

Probably found guilty of some crime for complaining

[opaque coyote]

But it's somehow better than before.

You won't be thrown in an asylum for saying that you feel depressed lmao

(Especially if you're a woman)

At least in some countries

Some still are behind

[rocky gale]

"This works too damn hard"

"You are found guilty of spreading seditious slander"

[opaque coyote]

Yeah that's what I imagine

But at the same time, you can't really shoot anybody that complains

Otherwise you might unironically begin running out of people

[rocky gale]

Punishment is being sentenced to hard labour

[opaque coyote]

"But that's what I'm already doing?"

"Yeah exactly. Now continue"

[rocky gale]

The difference is you're no longer getting paid and your rations are now halved

[opaque coyote]

Honestly, I had the idea of like

Ironically, a T'au trying to introduce the concept of

"Talking about your personal issues"

to like a random Gue'la

Since although the T 'au empire is... honestly still dogshit if we were judging by modern standards.

By 40k standards, it's pleasant.

So on some level, I kinda wonder if asking a random ex-Imperium civilian on "How they're doing" would have like

a 30% chance of them breaking down while sobbing

a 35% chance of being utterly bewildered at the concept of somebody actually asking

a 15% chance of thinking you're some type of spy and outright saying propaganda bullshit to try and look good

and a 20% chance of being offended and saying that you should be shot for daring to care about a fellow living person.

[rose thorn]

Just realized like, world eaters and EC are basically soup armies atm

[arctic talon]

WE don’t run very many daemons or knights

But Ec Yeah

They run a lot of daemons

Also a knight or 2 armigers

[near wasp]

The PTSD treatment center is right next to the servitor factory for a reason

[arctic talon]

It just works

Guardsmen who cannot excise their mind of weakness are replaced/j

[sour hornet]

We were getting paid?

[opaque coyote]

Also

I just realized that the Onion predicted modded Arma 3:

https://youtu.be/yuTkgi7scKo?si=pIlv3HZeKUX4Ttd8

[rose thorn]

had a crash out about all the fake aos leaks lmao

[wind canyon]

There's a bomber wing commander in Double Eagle named Oskar Viltry who has PTSD/survivor's guilt because his crews keep getting killed and he keeps surviving. Long story short without spoiling anything else for a 21 year old book, basically he ends up in a relationship with a waitress who works at a cafe by the water of the city he's stationed in and the Munitorum believes he went down with his bomber. Probably the happiest ending you're going to get in 40k

[lament shoal]

So why did Abaddon need to get to the eye of terror? Ik Cadia was in his way so that's why he had it destroyed

[rose thorn]

@queen laurel some underworlds fanart by Vanja i thought u woudl appreciate

[arctic talon]

The eye of terror was where his main base of operations were

Along with most chaos space marines

[rose thorn]

Hey what knight house is most associated with alpha legion?

Thinking about imperialis

Oh and I guess titan house too

[dapper gyro]

Eye of terror is like the biggest gate, so he needs it to actually be open for anything meaningful operation to happen.

So that chaos spawn can flood in.

[lament shoal]

So the guy destroyed an entire planet all because he needed to get to the office? 💀

Lmfao

[arctic talon]

No, more so Cadia was a defensive lynchpin for the imperium, destroying it let chaos forces both allied, against and unrelated to abbadon flood out

Lol

Also

Abbadon smashing Cadia lead to the great rift forming

Aka splitting the galaxy in half

His original goal was to capture it

But he had to improvise once trazyn helped Cawl get the pylons online

[lament shoal]

Gotcha

Ty

[lament shoal]

Blackstone fortress 💀

[arctic talon]

Tbf

If you’ve got a crippled super weapon that’s irreparable and currently in orbit of a planet

And the planet needs to be destroyed

I mean…….

if ya got the tool

[rose thorn]

I’m suprised 40K doesn’t have a planet of the apes (1968) faction

[dapper gyro]

When a tank is out of ammo and damaged, it still has the mass.

[green loom]

You don't wait for the ammo tbf

Ramming is priority 1

[queen laurel]

Hey if your giant gun doesn't have ammo just throw the giant gun

[opaque coyote]

Huh

https://tenor.com/view/push-it-somewhere-else-spongebob-patrick-star-patrick-push-it-gif-19729647

There we go

[opaque coyote]

"Warmaster, you don't have the firepower!"

"I've got the mass."

"Solid copy, hit em hard boss."

[unique bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/knuckles-brass-weapon-fight-punch-gif-11683650

[lament shoal]

"Warmaster, you mind telling me what you're doing with that blackstone fortress?"

"Finishing this fight."

[surreal nest]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-sad-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-cry-gif-61041235174770618

[dapper gyro]

I dont like Reach and most of its characters, but damn Carter goes hard.

[valid needle]

I wouldn’t count it out

Well

Chances are the imperium has exterminated them by now if one ever existed but considering there was a planet of giant arachnids and a planet of snake like creatures I would be willing to bet there could have easily been a planet of giant apes.

More than likely great crusade than 40K because the imperium has exterminated most alien races by 40K

[unique bronze]

Kinda reminds me of how the Big E's vision of the Imperium was to be united under science, progress, and reason.

And the great crusade is just "kill everything that isnt human"

[celest dome]

Cause his "vision" is just propaganda

[unique bronze]

Didn't he actually believe in it at first tho, hence the Imperial truth, and the webway project to cut off ties from the warp and all that

[valid needle]

No

The imperial truth was because he believed that religion and faith powered chaos. He didn’t realise that the lack of religion and faith eventually pushes people to faith in what’s left, chaos.

The imperial creed is legit one of the only reasons the imperium has survived until 40K

But to be fair

I think the whole great crusade was a case of too many cooks in the kitchen. Rogal dorn even said once that his brothers interpret the emperors will in their own selfish ways and not necessarily as he intended his will to be taken.

You can’t tell me the man who wants ultimate power and all of humanity to be under him and for the eradication of every “lesser” race. That he doesn’t really want to be seen as god.

[unique bronze]

Hmm, just thought it was something that he originally intended or believed in at first, since he was sort of described as cold but earnest in Master of Mankind, and actually wanted humankind to stand on its own, without gods.

[valid needle]

I think in his own way he does care about humanity but humanity as a collective and not necessarily humans. but I also think there’s a part of him that craves power and ultimate authority.

The thing that is certain though is that either way humanity would not have survived without him.

[unique bronze]

Fair, that whole bit about him outlawing worship but left some imperial cults simmer because it suited his control somehow

[valid needle]

There is certain aspects of the imperium today that he would absolutely wish to destroy

[valid needle]

Pretty much

It’s less that he hated the cults in his name it’s that he believed worship and faith no matter to who would ultimately power chaos gods. In this instance he was sorely wrong.

He 100% loved the adoration and worship of him and if he knew what he most likely knows now that faith in him in ways powers him and ultimately doesn’t power chaos. He probably would have been imperial creed not imperial truth.

People point to the word bearers and monarchia and say well he obviously hated it because he destroyed monarchia. No, he destroyed monarchia because he thought the word bearers were taking too long to make worlds compliant.

[unique bronze]

Huh, I did kinda read somewhere that faith in the Emperor doesn't necessarily feed chaos so it kind of created this stabilizing counterweight in the warp

[valid needle]

It’s true kind of

[unique bronze]

Would have loved to see an instance where an Imperial Creed would have happened tho, sorta like a faith based empire early on if the emperor had known it powered miracle of saints or the astronomican

[storm jungle]

If you want something like that its kinda what WHF/AOS did with Sigmar which works much better tbh

[valid needle]

The fact is monarchia and breaking the word bearers faith in him was one of the worst mistakes he ever made. If he had treated the word bearers differently and redirected their faith, loyalist word bearers and a loyalist lorgar would have smacked down any of their brothers who dared start a rebellion.

[storm jungle]

the Emperor essentially had no reason to go the genocidal route, he was a awful tyrant with "good" intentions.

the Heresy also has to happen as per plot so he turns into a brain damaged idiot for most of 30k.

the people that defend his dumb decisions piss me off to no end for this exact reason

[unique bronze]

I remember someone telling Lorgar that it was a test of his faith, and if only he took it differently

I guess no one would have known how that would have turned out

[valid needle]

People can’t just be happy playing the evil faction everyone’s got to make their choice the “good” choice.

[storm jungle]

I meant more like

"No no he couldnt have talked to Lorgar because ummm-"

"Because what."

"BECAUSE UHHH BECAUSE HE HATES RELIGION!"

God

[unique bronze]

Lmao

[valid needle]

You know what I heard too

[unique bronze]

Do be funny

[valid needle]

Monarchia was the first time he actually told Lorgar personally no faith

[storm jungle]

Yeah he just went the extreme route which is funny so I cant complain. The Ultramarines humanely evacuating everyone before blowing up the entire citadel of cities is 😩

[valid needle]

If that can be checked idk but it seems in character to me

When even one of your most loyal and trusted sons like Rogal dorn thinks you are a god, just roll with it.

[storm jungle]

Its kind of easier cope when its someone like Curze

who he just admits he wanted to use as a terror weapon

then you got dumbasses like Mortarion

"YOU STOLE MY KILL"

God, fuck off

[valid needle]

I can’t wait for the scouring series

Just to see a more zealouty dorn

Going by old texts anyway

[storm jungle]

🫡

[valid needle]

Legit hints that only the emperor should be worshipped as a god

[storm jungle]

Damn index astartes lol

older than most people on this sever

[valid needle]

Old but gold

[storm jungle]

Its pretty outdated for the most part but yeah

I got both copies so cant complain

[unique bronze]

Kind of reminds me of a spin off made by some fans about how if the emperor would turn 'evil' from all the worship, Dorn would still 100% support him

[valid needle]

It is

But the dorn viewing big e as god was also referenced in flight of the Eisenstein which isn’t too too old so I think the index part still holds up.

Dorn sighed. ‘The Emperor has no like, Loken. There are no gods in this hollow universe to keep him company. So he made us, demigods, to stand beside him. I have never quite come to terms with my status. Does that surprise you? I see what I am capable of, and what is expected of me, and I shudder. The mere fact of me frightens me sometimes. Do you think your lord Horus ever feels that way?’

[unique bronze]

I like learned of 40k a bit differently so idk what the index is all about

[valid needle]

He has no like, there are no gods in this hollow universe to keep him company, so he created us Demi gods.

[valid needle]

Like a codex

Like the space marine codex pretty much

[unique bronze]

Ooh, like a hard copy of it, or is that found online also

[valid needle]

You’ll struggle to find it now tbh

But you’ll probably be able to get a pdf somewhere

But if somethings never been retconned, it’s canon.

[unique bronze]

Ohh, are theylike the stopgap rulebooks GW releases when a new edition comes out

[valid needle]

Oh no no the index was basically an old version of the codex. They don’t make it anymore.

[storm jungle]

It was basically a sourcebook made for fun/fluff

GW used to do them a lot more in the past and early 2000's

[valid needle]

I can have a look for a pdf copy if you are interested

[storm jungle]

they dont really do them as much anymore

[valid needle]

When I get time to look through some of these. I need to fix their naming aswell it’s confusing
Me.

[storm jungle]

You're telling me

I got an entire archive of these, its a bitch to upkeep

[vagrant fox]

I often think about making my own archive but then I think about how tedious it would be for a few seconds

[spring cairn]

inferno

the guy from deadlock

[raven stone]

Found on FB

[storm jungle]

Its much better if you know a guy who has a archive

trust me its tedious

(also technically illegal but uhhh)

[unique bronze]

Im guessing the hardcopy's of the codex's are like collector stuff by now..?

[storm jungle]

If you want a physical one yeah, though they dont sell codexes as special editions a lot, its a new invention now.

Back then they just came out in a "base" format

But its mostly like ehhhh whatever?

Like do you really need a little mini-poster and different cover art for extra money? lol

Or just... a cover but its just a vectored image with gold text lol

When you can just get a proper codex which just looks cooler

[shadow plover]

Eh I prefer it the other way

But wouldn't pay extra for the other

[storm jungle]

Hocus pocus and fake news

trading amazing cover arts for sloppa single images is CRAZY

[shadow plover]

Nah

[storm jungle]

Yah

get out

[unique bronze]

Wagh

[storm jungle]

Trash on the Left, Peak on the Right

https://tenor.com/view/cat-it's-peak-cat-it's-peak-it's-mid-orange-cat-gif-17883059146133370492

[shadow plover]

Other way around again

The EC one is not though

[storm jungle]

Nope.

Wrong.

[shadow plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/733497801924935757/1284210736012460165/ezgif-com-webp-to-gif-converter_1.gif

[storm jungle]

then again this is how GW makes money swindling you nerds so I cant say much

[shadow plover]

Haven't bought them because it's not worth the extra money but they look better

[storm jungle]

Wrong 2x

[shadow plover]

This one I did get

But it was included in the box set

[tough haven]

https://youtu.be/zv-HpXeo2Qk?si=4Bz-wre5IcA8TzRW

Finally a cool sounding tau song that isn’t just vaguely Asian music

[storm jungle]

🫡

[valid needle]

Don’t forget the little tiny gold painted between pages

The BT collectors is the same, I bought regular because I’m not paying triple price for a single reused art with a book mark and pages with tiny bits of gold.

Regular edition BT codex was a third the price and had actual new art on its cover💀

[storm jungle]

Yeah exactly lol

like I get it, its made for "collector" reasons but like fuck sakes come on, Special Edition stuff once tended to include ACTUALLY special stuff inside said products

[valid needle]

I don’t get why they put brand new art on the regular edition and then put a bit of art from 15 years ago on the much more expensive

I get old art is cool but I could literally print it out myself

[storm jungle]

Its mostly because GW is aware their older artworks rocked and its a good way to get wojakpoint points but like ehhhh

also yeah that, why do I need it on a book cover? I can literally just go and get it through other means, especially uncropped lol

[valid needle]

This Dark Vengeance one along with the cover for BTs first edition are my favourite

[storm jungle]

Dark Angels got some amazing older artworks

[valid needle]

3rd edition, BTs first edition not actual first edition I mean.

[valid needle]

That’s going straight in my folder

[storm jungle]

Heres also a more better quality artwork of Dark Vengeance for you

I got 111GB of GW artwork saved 💀

[proven needle]

Can highly recommend for that purpose https://calibre-ebook.com/

[storm jungle]

Yeah its all on Drive for me but ill give it a look 🤔

[rose thorn]

I’m so pissed I had a nightmare about this chat

[proven needle]

Calibre works with local drive but adds a proper library on top. So you can search and tag, etc.

[queen laurel]

And what could possibly have we done to you to warrant such a brain reaction

i know my face is so ugly it would give anyone nightmares but but I usually just say it as a joke

[proven needle]

Depends a bit on the quality of the metadata of the ebooks though.

[rose thorn]

We were talking about space marine tattoos or something and then some new guy was like ‘oh yeha I have something like that in my collection’. like 5 minutes later he posted a picture of a tattoo of VI above someone’s elbow and it turned out that it matched a missing person report.

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

BRUH

[queen laurel]

that is a rather detailed

[storm jungle]

thats legit both scary but also like makes no sense, perfect capsulation of a dream

[queen laurel]

too detailed