40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

i dont think i need to contextualize murder in a philosophical context to know that it's bad

[winged jacinth]

A moral philosophy is as complicated as the philosopher wants but they all kind of assume moral absolutism axiomatically

[spring cairn]

but you do tho

is murder actually bad

or awesome

[crystal forum]

i think it's bad

and i dont need to prove it

[vagrant fox]

prove it to me or i'll buy israel stocks right now

[spring cairn]

Well i think it's dependant on context and i can prove it easily

[crystal forum]

because if i need to convince somebody that murder is bad then i dont think words will do anything

at that point action is required

[spring cairn]

action like

murder

[crystal forum]

shit

[winged jacinth]

Check this out
Murder is always immoral because we define a murder as an immoral killing

[crystal forum]

well i boxed myself in that one

[spring cairn]

if we go by that yes

but if we broaden it to

the act of killing another human being

[crystal forum]

ok, then this is semantics

[winged jacinth]

Then its only immoral if its murder, the immoral kind

[crystal forum]

by murder i mean the unjustified killing of a person

and yeah now i have to define justified

[spring cairn]

yep

[crystal forum]

which would take a long time

but it would still be simpler than doing whatever tf moral philosohers do

[winged jacinth]

I reject moral absolutism which i think disqualifies singular moral philosophies as a whole for me

[vagrant fox]

It's good to think about imho, it's good for the brainmeat but moral absolutism is wack

Sure lying is probably morally bad but there's good reason to lie at times

[spring cairn]

we all have moral absolutes built in

[crystal forum]

what does moral philosophy accomplish then

[spring cairn]

it's just specific to the individual

[spring cairn]

tells u a lot about the philosopher and can convince the audience to re-shape their morals

[crystal forum]

do i need to understand utilitarianism to do the trolley problem

[vagrant fox]

yea or ur a nerd, morally

[crystal forum]

that's where it loses me. i dont think philosophy can convince the average person of many things

[spring cairn]

it absolutely can

if yo willing to read

[crystal forum]

that's true i did just betray my ideals there too lol

everybody should be given the opportunity to think of these things

maybe moral philosophy would accomplish things if everybody was able to take the time to contemplate it

[winged jacinth]

We should require all arguments in this channel to be presented in predicate logic

[opaque coyote]

I do not believe that ideals or morality are absolute.

The problem is that life is complicated

And often times when it seems simple

...

It isn't

Fuck you, here comes a curveball dipshit

[crystal forum]

i have learned through trial and error that if anything in philosophy seems simple then you probably are only scratching the surface

[winged jacinth]

Beyond that absolutism implicitly claims that there is a natural morality which doesn't mesh with sociology or my personal view of cosmology

[opaque coyote]

Nah nah trust me bro

There is only black and white

Grey? What's that?

[winged jacinth]

(Nothing is inherently right since we're just trying to stay as warm meat while making more warm meat)

[spring cairn]

Nothing is inherently right, everything is inherently wrong

[opaque coyote]

Something something "The only I know is that I don't know shit" (this is totally how the quote went)

[spring cairn]

good is unnatural

[opaque coyote]

Luckily.

So is evil on some level.

I do know one other thing.

I like sugary coffee drinks.

[winged jacinth]

Good is a social phenomenon

[spring cairn]

yes

[opaque coyote]

I like my coffee iced in general

I just

I really don't like hot coffee

[winged jacinth]

As is evil, this moral philosophy can tell us at least

[spring cairn]

I don't think so

[opaque coyote]

It can be as black as a black hole

[crystal forum]

i made the mistake of thinking i understood nietzche

once

never again

at the end of the day i think that's what philosophers do best. they raise more questions than answers

[winged jacinth]

Nietzche is for edgelords, mostly by reputation lol

[crystal forum]

and arriving to those questions is how you learn to think

[spring cairn]

yes that's the first thing they tell u in philo

[winged jacinth]

When im in a didn't read the literature contest and my opponent is a nietzche fan

[opaque coyote]

I think Nier Automata said it best.

"Hmmm... I see. It seems that this Nietzsche was quite a profound thinker. Or perhaps he skipped right past profound and went straight to crazy instead."

[winged jacinth]

Yoko taro naming the robots after philosophers was really funny

[opaque coyote]

And a lot of them just die

Or suffer fates worse than death

[winged jacinth]

Yeah this robot is jean paul sartre don't worry about it

You kill Engels 3 times i think

[crystal forum]

not in my shitty classes

[violet nexus]

He did the edgyiest thing in the universe, larp as a Pole while being Prussian, took a lot of guts and moxxy

[opaque coyote]

I think one encounter that surprised me is the Last Wise Machine just fucking jumping off of a building and killing itself

[winged jacinth]

Lmao

He was the last wise one

[crystal forum]

i dont think nieztche is nearly as edgy as people think he is

and he really does not provide answers at all

[winged jacinth]

Hes not

[opaque coyote]

Honestly it was genuinely fucking sad since I kinda had some of those thoughts

[violet nexus]

I read Dostoevsky's book about gamblers

all it did is make me want to gamble

It was pretty nice though, not a heavy reading

[opaque coyote]

If I had a penny for everytime a robot game delved into existentialism, eternal cycles, depression, and suffering

I would have two pennies

[winged jacinth]

The nier games are fucking sad

I'd have more than 2 pennies lol

[crystal forum]

if i had a penny for every time a japanese media used western themes instead of japanese ones i'd have idk 5 pennies?

[opaque coyote]

The nier games are 75% depression, 25% "Yeah give the killer robot/creature thighs that can't lie."

[winged jacinth]

Most nietzche fans have read like 5 quotes without context and that's where his rep is from lol

[opaque coyote]

And also an entire Christian movie series

[winged jacinth]

God bless yoko taro

[crystal forum]

i think a lot of the people who rag on him have done the same

nobody reads really

[opaque coyote]

And said Christian movie series is uh

Mostly boring

But is also just stupid

[winged jacinth]

Its the main way of taking in nietzche lol

Quotes that is

"God is dead" yup that's my philosophy

[opaque coyote]

God's Not Dead is just

Peak

...

Peak in how fucking dogshit it is

[crystal forum]

he's probably up there with engels in amount of people who think they know about their ideas

[opaque coyote]

It is beautifully awful

[winged jacinth]

I love gods not dead

[crystal forum]

but engels definitely takes the cake since he's pretty much unreadable due to lack of translations

[winged jacinth]

Inventing militant atheists for an old guy to confront in contexts hes too old to be in

[opaque coyote]

In the first movie, the Christian kid was literally given

Multiple warning about how the Philosophy professor was an atheist that sorely hated Christianity

And even was offered to switch classes

But he refused

[crystal forum]

no hegels

lots of people know of engels

[opaque coyote]

"HELP, I'M DROWNING!"

He says after he was explicitly warned not to jump off of the boat

And was even offered a lifevest just in case

[crystal forum]

those movies assume that atheists hate the god that they dont believe in

[winged jacinth]

Engels mostly wrote in English iirc lol

[crystal forum]

yeah i meant hegel

[winged jacinth]

"Actually you just hate god" has been in the playbook forever and its so funny

Like do you hate santa

[opaque coyote]

Either way, it's proof that homeschooling should be regulated somehow

[crystal forum]

it funny since that's genuinely what brainwashed christians think

[winged jacinth]

You deny his existance and miracles you must despise santa

[opaque coyote]

And even if they did.

...

What theb

[winged jacinth]

If you hate god you're not an atheist lol

You believe whatever religion who's god you hate

[crystal forum]

remember this is what was considered frontier discourse 300 years ago

these fucks are still stuck at this stage

[opaque coyote]

That is not how that works.

Well kinda

[crystal forum]

i might be evil but i like baiting christians into thinking they can convert me

[opaque coyote]

Like if I hate God and his existence. I am not an atheist.

Cool.

What is that supposed to mean.

[winged jacinth]

Unless you're conflating hating what a religions god represents with hating what you consider to be the extant entity of that god its how it works

[winged jacinth]

You believe in that god you just hate it lol

[opaque coyote]

Yippee?

[crystal forum]

personally i dont think my creator deserves my adoration for putting me in this world, whether it be my parents or a deity

they have to deserve it

[winged jacinth]

Its just semantics again but if you're an atheist you reject theism conceptually

Shoutouts to gnosticism

[opaque coyote]

Shout out to my agnostic brothers

[winged jacinth]

The real "god is real and that's bad" religion

[crystal forum]

the divine spark enjoyers?

[opaque coyote]

And sisters

[opaque coyote]

Isn't it more like

"We have two gods. A fake god and a real one."

[crystal forum]

i do like gnostic thinking

[winged jacinth]

The demiurge created reality to torture us

[crystal forum]

it's funny on the surface

like yes reality is in fact evil

[winged jacinth]

Yeah root level gnostic theology is pretty complex

[crystal forum]

and saying that back in the day made them kill on sight for christians

[winged jacinth]

But we experience evil god's hell world

Best answer to the question of evil

[opaque coyote]

It also makes for awesome story ideas at least

[crystal forum]

at least it makes logical sense

[opaque coyote]

Literally just "Yeah hell exists. We're literally in it rn"

Which I mean

...

[crystal forum]

it doesnt attribute child cancer to god's plans

[opaque coyote]

Yeah I can see where they're coming from

Especially now

[opaque coyote]

God I fucking hate that shit

[winged jacinth]

For some reason there's a bunch of random gnosticism in the first ffxiv expansion's raids lmao

[opaque coyote]

I swear if I hear that one more time by some fuckhead

[crystal forum]

but again gnosticism is a very very early branching off of christianity

[opaque coyote]

I will actually punch them

That is one of my pet peeves

Lile

[crystal forum]

it's during the era where people didnt even figure out the trinity

and it was quickly declared heretical

[opaque coyote]

No idea why Christianity didn't do what the rest of religions did and try to like

Fit old systems

And explain it away

[winged jacinth]

???

[crystal forum]

wdym

[opaque coyote]

What's the term for that

I forgot

[winged jacinth]

Christianity is incredibly syncretic

[opaque coyote]

Hold on

[crystal forum]

christians adopted a lot of pre christian symbolism

mostly to convince pagans to join them

[winged jacinth]

When the romans went christian they just kept doing the same thing they did with spreading the roman gods

[opaque coyote]

Oh right nvm

No idea why Abhramiac religions fight each other though

Like you LITERALLY WORSHIP THE SAME GOD

[winged jacinth]

Land lol

Treasure then oil

Symbolic power

[crystal forum]

that's the point of religious institutions

catholics and protestants used to wage wars against eachother

[vagrant fox]

Papists are wrong and should be destroyed

[winged jacinth]

Like the crusades had two purposes:
Solidify the pope's power
Loot the holy land until they're forced back

[crystal forum]

and protestants only started existing because the british king didn't want to be subject to the pope

like it's just straight up a power grab

[winged jacinth]

Because he wanted a divorce iirc lmao

The pope went "no you cant" and he went "um actually fuck you"

[vagrant fox]

It was a lot about seizing power (justly)

[opaque coyote]

Wasn't that ALSO due to like

"Pay $$$ to get into heaven"

[crystal forum]

it's just funny how well documented it is

[opaque coyote]

I definitely remember a schism happening because of that

[crystal forum]

martin luther

[opaque coyote]

Ye

[winged jacinth]

Yeah at its heart it came down to "i the king am replacing the pope in my land and removing the papacy's influence"

[crystal forum]

the guy who somehow noticed the passage about jesus upturning the temple

[winged jacinth]

I mean there was always poisoning if you couldn't get a divorce he was king

[crystal forum]

he prob just didnt want to pay tribute either

[vagrant fox]

It's wild how the population in some areas of the Holy Roman Empire were reduced by up to like 60% from all the fighting and consequences of it

[winged jacinth]

Luther had some really bad opinions but i appreciate his spunk and opinions on the church of the time

"Fuck you stop taking indulgences im gonna nail this shit to your door"

[crystal forum]

beliefs shouldn't be coopted by the state, wild thing to say at the time

[winged jacinth]

He should have come up with 5 more theses though

[crystal forum]

like there's nothing bad with beliefs

but you shouldn't need to give a human institution your time to be right with your god

[winged jacinth]

Maybe the door only had room for 95 i hope he went for 100

[winged jacinth]

Literal pay to win forgiveness gacha companies would be proud lol

[lament shoal]

Funny enough real Christians believe that God doesn't want your money anyways lol. This was purely just human greed at work here

[crystal forum]

i know that's the best part

jesus literally hated this

[winged jacinth]

my branch of christianity are the real ones

But yeah evidence indicates jesus wouldn't have been a fan

[crystal forum]

i like beliefs

atheism is boring

might as well invent reasons to be scared of the unknown

[winged jacinth]

Imo there's too much to know to bother too much with belief

I don't go reddit on it though lol

[crystal forum]

i dont think life has much value without beliefs

it's a cold universe

[winged jacinth]

Yes

[crystal forum]

like if it makes your life more fulfilling then why not

[winged jacinth]

Idk if its me being ND but im perfectly comfortable with it All being a big accident

[lament shoal]

Most of r/atheism is just bitter people complaining about Christians lmao, its kinda funny

[winged jacinth]

To be honest im much more compelled by the way things happen to cause all the emergent properties we see

[crystal forum]

i think there's certainly an idea behind life existing

since what are we if not the universe experiencing itself

[winged jacinth]

I personally find it more beautiful if chemistry can just Do That

[crystal forum]

i think science is made noble in the sense that it seeks to understand that which makes up our entirety, if that makes sense

[winged jacinth]

I don't mind the weak anthropic principle

[vagrant fox]

To me, there's not so much of an intent. It's just an elaborate ongoing process that started somewhere and will continue until the energy is spent, very whatever
But looking inward is where the cool stuff is, our thoughts and perspectives are malleable and that's very cool

[lament shoal]

It sucks that some people today believe religion and science can't coexist

[crystal forum]

i think's there's a system in place that is much bigger than any of us. it started with pure energy, formed into atoms, stars, molecules, planets, life and now us

like sentient life was meant to happen

idk what it means but i think it's something

[winged jacinth]

I personally don't think i could attach to any school of thought that ascribes actions to a god etc beyond the moment of creation

[crystal forum]

it's weird since i could easily be a christian and believe that by understanding the universe then i'm understanding God more and more

since he is the universe according to their beliefs

[winged jacinth]

Christian scientists (not Christian Scientists) typically hold this view

[crystal forum]

i dont believe in any god in that sense since i dont separate us from the material world, we're just molecules and electrical interactions. if the universe is a god then we're all part of god

[winged jacinth]

Most christians afaik subscribe to at least somewhat scientific descriptions of reality and the ones that don't seem to at a rate comparable to other groups

[lament shoal]

Exactly. Catholic monks ages ago engaged in science for this reason

[crystal forum]

i think it's a beautiful reasoning

[winged jacinth]

There is of course the loud and extremely funny contingent of young earth nutjobs on the fringe

[crystal forum]

but scientists never needed many excuses to be curious

[crystal forum]

eh yeah

sadly that's what religious institutions do. no thinking, only dogma

i enjoy talking to christians who have come to their own conclusions about their book

[winged jacinth]

Literalism has become a unique grift at this point i think

Its a whole bizzare ecosystem of misinfo and bad arguments

[crystal forum]

remember when it was cool to be atheist

when i was like 13

with hitchens and the god delusion

[winged jacinth]

Honestly i don't get literalism on a basic level

[crystal forum]

in the end i dont think this stuff helped many people

also a lot of those guys are like awful people

[winged jacinth]

Yeah gervatheism sucked

[crystal forum]

i nearly fell into the alt right pipeline that way

which is so funny when you think about it

atheism leading to right wing

[winged jacinth]

A lot of the same people are now transphobes etc because, i can only imagine, they're addicted to having people mad at them?

[crystal forum]

they like sounding like authorities i guess

[winged jacinth]

I think ricky gervais would shrivel up without anyone screaming at him

Like a rasin

[crystal forum]

since when you think about it, a scientist doesnt really need any credentials to be authorities on "your religion is wrong"

also they're all mostly super anti muslim

which is probably the most logical leap at least

but it's just straight up racism

[winged jacinth]

Yup though half the time (generously) its really because they're brown

Yeah lol

[lament shoal]

Reminds me of that vid on YouTube titled "The Bible read in a condescending voice by a 14 year old atheist"

[crystal forum]

lmao

i was introduced to it by thunderfoot

who to this day is probably the weirdest atheist youtuber guy since he just doesn't pick a side

so both sides hate him

[lament shoal]

Its nice when people can talk about religion on equal ground without insulting one another

[crystal forum]

it really only takes a bit of respect

[vagrant fox]

It's strange how many people adhere to a uh, I don't really know what to call it, I suppose a 'rationalist' mindset but act anything but

I guess it's only human but man

[crystal forum]

i think it's mostly a show to hide prejudices

[vagrant fox]

Yea man I'm all about facts and logic, I'm now going to act based on my emotions and biases

[crystal forum]

for some reason this reminds me of inrangetv which is a southerner ran gun youtube channel

[winged jacinth]

Most so called rationalists are basically just doing what they want and claiming its the rational move afaict which annoying but also kinda

[crystal forum]

and he is probably the only pro rights gun channel who actually believes in rights

since he vehemently defends lgbt people and is very anti confederacy

like holy shit a person with actual integrity god damn

[winged jacinth]

Fuck im remembering when i learned that while forgotten weapons is outwardly politically neutral all his friends are nazis

God i miss that ignorance

[crystal forum]

yeah he's just neutral for the sponsors

[vagrant fox]

Which one was it that forgotten weapons collaborated with and then dropped when said person said trans people deserve to live and exist

[crystal forum]

which is fine i think. he genuinely doesnt take sides at least

i just want to learn about niche guns

[crystal forum]

is that inrange?

[lament shoal]

He sounds nice, I'll go check out his channel

[winged jacinth]

Idk im a "table with 9 nazis and another person is a table with 10 nazis probably" person

[crystal forum]

is that why they dont do videos anymore

[vagrant fox]

It might be inrange yeah

He did videos with Autun Shei or whatever he's called so that's probably it

[winged jacinth]

Its probably for the best carnikcon is on indefinite hiatus so i can remember them fondly

[crystal forum]

he's friends with atunshei which should tell you enough

both very based individuals

[winged jacinth]

Firing the AK with the ham sandwich in the reciever

[crystal forum]

that's wild

[rose thorn]

gw sell me deeer please

[lament shoal]

Best we can do is 80 poxwalkers

[rose thorn]

space marines*

[winged jacinth]

It takes a beautiful mind to torture test a gun with lunch

[crystal forum]

literally all autnshei does is make confederate simps mad

how could anybody hate him

[rose thorn]

please any day now

[lament shoal]

Confederacy simps when they say that the south was only fighting for state's rights and I ask them what the rights would've allowed them to do:

[vagrant fox]

I'm not entirely sure it's true I just vaguely recall inrange said the second amendment should extend to the trans as well, a company dropping him and then Ian split

[tough haven]

Ex-fucking-xactly

[crystal forum]

american libertarians are genuinely the biggest hypocrites

[tough haven]

I know one IRL who is 100%

[crystal forum]

pro rights my ass

[crystal forum]

yeah i looked up the drama

[lament shoal]

Wasn't there one who believed driver's licenses should be abolished? 😭

[crystal forum]

probably so he can drink and drive

i think karl is an actual anarchist which is wild for a gun tuber

you'd think these dumb fucks would actually care about rights since they keep crying about it

[vagrant fox]

I knew an old boomer who said seat belts prevented breathing, speed limits were unlawful and that drunk driving wasn't a problem
Very funny man, he drove me to Poland and it was the scariest ride of my life

[rose thorn]

republicans are ruled by nostalgia slop

[lament shoal]

This was a genuinely common belief when mandatory seat belts were first introduced lol

Crazy

[crystal forum]

we've all been brainwashed by big seatbelt

i do think it shouldn't be illegal to not have your own seatbelt though

if they want to die then let them

motorcycle gear should be mandatory though. i dont want any human being seeing another human being who was sent on a cheese grater course on asphalt

[vagrant fox]

I forced my dad to use seatbelts when I was little
"It's the law 'pa you have to' was roughly my argument
Big seatbelt got me young

[rose thorn]

WHAT HTE FUCK HAPPENED OT THE LEX

[lament shoal]

Big seatbelt is watching

[rose thorn]

WHY DOES IT LOOKD IFFERENT

[crystal forum]

when i was assembling ambulances i would hang onto the seatbelts as a grip while cleaning the cabs

and i would leave them all slack afterwards

because 6'3 weight

so that probably annoyed a few ambulance drivers

[vagrant fox]

Lexicanum? No idea it's mildly annoying

[crystal forum]

that is my seatbelt related story

im sorry to any ambulance drivers in chat

i was only 17

[vagrant fox]

Ambulance drivers deserve the scorn, too good for sensible slow driving

[crystal forum]

i wish i had a job that allowed me to tokyo rush my way to a destination

legally at least

as long as i dont have to touch icky people

[storm jungle]

WAIT THAT WASNT JUST ME?

Yeah they better fucking go back

I HATE this look

[crystal forum]

show

[rose thorn]

they made it bigger

[rose thorn]

yeah but htey finally fixed the search bar

[crystal forum]

it looks the same

[rose thorn]

the search bar wasbroken for like

3 years now

and its ifnally back

[crystal forum]

i didnt even know it had a search bar

genuinely

[rose thorn]

because it was broken

we cna ifnally reach all the dead article pages lmao

island articles*

[lament shoal]

An arbitrator laments at the lawless state of a hive city, circa M42

[golden imp]

Is Leman Russ actually a cool and interesting character like he’s apparently supposed to be or is he just big Viking berserker

[crystal forum]

he's dead

so not that interesting

[golden imp]

Never read any of his books, wondering if they were good

[lament shoal]

The dumb viking berserker act is just a ruse he plays into to get people to underestimate him

In reality he's pretty smart

[crystal forum]

then he proves them wrong by being even more violent

[storm jungle]

Probably, if you like just superhero-esque characters, he has some depth.

[lament shoal]

Yeah lol

[crystal forum]

he's the primarch killer

[lament shoal]

Also I didn't know this was confirmed

[crystal forum]

that's his whole hh arc

[lament shoal]

I thought he just went missing in the warp

[storm jungle]

He did

[crystal forum]

nah i was joking

[lament shoal]

Ah okay lol

[crystal forum]

he's prob coming back as a mini

[arctic talon]

He went missing in the eye of terror

But yeah

[crystal forum]

it's either him or dorn who's coming back next

[lament shoal]

can gw just write the fucking lion and guilliman reunion already

[arctic talon]

No

[lament shoal]

[crystal forum]

you shall wait 4 more years

[storm jungle]

yeah its gonna happen in some mid book

and people will post reddit excerpts of it for fucking years

[lament shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/delicatekestis-wahhh-sobbing-emoji-crying-gif-17237760601848548369

[crystal forum]

guilliman, you truly are an

ultra brother

[storm jungle]

guilliman, you truly are an

avenging son

[crystal forum]

dawn of mid

[rose thorn]

average son*

its a good book i liked it

dont ask me what happened

all i remember is this is wherei lerand wasting ink is a cirme punishable by death

[crystal forum]

what was the eddie murphy book again

[storm jungle]

something-something Souls

[arctic talon]

Avenging son is one of the only half decent books

In Dawn of mid

Anyways GW is in no rush for them to meet

Because most lore books

Do not have them involved

[rose thorn]

i think dawn of fire being average is porbbaly agood thing

[arctic talon]

Well

It’s bad

[lament shoal]

Guilliman this god-like blight really seems to have affected you, and on such a dark day in the imperium.

[arctic talon]

It’s like actually bad lol

Calling it mid is me trying to make it seem less bad then it is

[arctic talon]

It’s as much of an up and down

[storm jungle]

its also just-

[arctic talon]

As the realm gate war novels lol

[storm jungle]

we had it for what over 7 years?

it literally explores nothing

it does nothing

[arctic talon]

Yeah

It does nothing

The best books in it

[crystal forum]

why does he look like he's taking a shit

what a weird head angle

[arctic talon]

Are all readable stand alone

Like sea of souls

lol

[storm jungle]

Yep.

also like

[lament shoal]

He is, in his suit

[rose thorn]

wolftime was so bad htoug h

[lament shoal]

That's what being near morty does to you

[crystal forum]

ultrasuit

[rose thorn]

i got it for free from humble bundle and i regret ownign it

[storm jungle]

what i find hilarious is in current lore we are literally way past where the books end, so its like... why the fuck are we even reading this then?

[lament shoal]

He's taking an ultrashit

[storm jungle]

THE LAST BOOK

LITERALLY HINTS AT CAWL GOING TO THAT ONE NID WORLD TO GET THE MCGUFFIN

[arctic talon]

The events of the last book are already known lol

[storm jungle]

THE BOOK FOR THAT CAME OTU YEARS AGO

[crystal forum]

ayo tts reference?

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

The pariah nexus

[crystal forum]

my cat is eating my charging cable

[arctic talon]

Is already a total shitshow

Guilliman left that shithole

And told the mechanicus to handle it

LOL

[rose thorn]

isnt that where he cna reverse tyranid soup

[arctic talon]

No

[storm jungle]

Yeah i think thats gonna be this or next edition's big event before another primarch fucking returns

[arctic talon]

The nids didn’t eat a ton

Bcs Necrons

[rose thorn]

souping*

[arctic talon]

Were on the planet

[rose thorn]

ah

[arctic talon]

So they just ate the surface

Drank the sea

And some other stuff

So it wasn’t bad to terraform back

Lol

And it’s still gona take a while

[lament shoal]

One of mine does the exact same thing. He gets lonely at night and I feel bad but I can't have him in my room while I sleep because he'll just eat them again

[rose thorn]

mani just need to make warhamemr 40k homebrew i like so i can imagine my guys during events

[arctic talon]

It’s fun

[rose thorn]

its a balst in aos

[arctic talon]

It’s fun in every GW setting but whfb

Because whfb has too much fucking lore

So trying to fit your own subgroup somewhere is really hard

[storm jungle]

We got like

[rose thorn]

"fucking idiot you cant bet here the himgim lions are there"

[storm jungle]

4 books dedicated to nagash

AND ALL OF THEM TAKE PLACE PRE-SETTING

[arctic talon]

Unless you’re making a subgroup of the subgroup

In which that case

[storm jungle]

BEFORE TEH EMPIRE EVEN EXISTED

[arctic talon]

Sure I guess why not

[rose thorn]

OH OLD OWRLD

[storm jungle]

also FYI this isnt a bad thing

[arctic talon]

No

[storm jungle]

its just amazing

[arctic talon]

Before old world

Lol

The nagash books are like

[crystal forum]

my cat whenever i move the charging cable

[arctic talon]

OLD OLD OLD

[rose thorn]

i was gonna say he has like 15 books in aos

[arctic talon]

In the timeline

Of whfb

[storm jungle]

little shitheel

[lament shoal]

Mischievous creature

[arctic talon]

Anyways don’t try to homebrew for whfb beyond a small army

It sucks

[rose thorn]

tell me iif the new eldar books are good btw

i realy wanan liek ledar

eldar*

i have never gotten a straight answer onw y to like eldar besides elf

[arctic talon]

The Corsair one?

I also hope it’s good

[rose thorn]

i want a good ynnari book to

any dya now..

[arctic talon]

Lll

Lmao

Look the corsairs might be ynnari

Probably not

[rose thorn]

ITS SUCH A GOOD IDEA

[lament shoal]

From what I heard the past ones have had problems where the author doesn't know how to not make their lives perpetually miserable lol

[rose thorn]

NERCROMANCER SPACE PIRATE ELEVS

[lament shoal]

The spiderman treatment

[rose thorn]

make them bisexual like they did with spiderman

[arctic talon]

That’s not true

It’s just gav

lol

[rose thorn]

also like, CW eldar aer like monks lmao

[arctic talon]

It’s literally only a thing with gav

[arctic talon]

Not really

[lament shoal]

Gotcha lol

[arctic talon]

They drink a lot lol

[crystal forum]

eat hot chip and be bisexual

[rose thorn]

so do christian monks

[arctic talon]

Valedor is prolly the best cwe book

[arctic talon]

Yeah but they don’t fuck their friends

lol

[rose thorn]

good point

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside cwe are

Pretty hedonistic by human standards

[lament shoal]

Someone write an eldar votann book so we can get the funny classic elf v dwarf rivalry

[crystal forum]

does that make them bisexual

[arctic talon]

It’s just by eldar standards it’s heavily reserved

[arctic talon]

Some are

[crystal forum]

are you

[arctic talon]

CWE and LoV like each other generally

So

lol

[crystal forum]

votaan have allies?

[lament shoal]

Yeah I thought they just kept to themselves

[crystal forum]

oh right votaan and eldar have like no reason to hate eachother

[rose thorn]

i feel liek if i play enough stellaris ill relaly ilke LoV

[arctic talon]

They like each other because they both keep to themselves

And have 0 reasons to fight

lol

[rose thorn]

eldar betrayed htem back when they were squats

[arctic talon]

That’s old

[rose thorn]

"betrayed"

[crystal forum]

retcon

[arctic talon]

And not real

[rose thorn]

oh

fair

[crystal forum]

fart

[arctic talon]

Almost all the old squat lore

Has been retcon’d since 3e

Lll

[rose thorn]

or in necormudna

[crystal forum]

squats arent real

chaos squats cannot hurt you

[rose thorn]

squats, are in necormunda

but chaos squats arent real

[crystal forum]

as of now...

[rose thorn]

squats aer strictly a lawful faction

[arctic talon]

The Munda squats are LoV

As well

lol

Descendents of them rather

[lament shoal]

I wonder how often necromunda has to deal with genestealers and chaos cultists. Seems shitty enough to have those sorts of problems often

[arctic talon]

Both are gangs

[crystal forum]

nah they're full lov wolf

[rose thorn]

ALL THE FUCKIGN TIMEEE

[arctic talon]

You can play as

[crystal forum]

they have an ancestor core

we just dont know where

[arctic talon]

They lost it no?

So I’m considering them not

[crystal forum]

no they have it

[arctic talon]

Until they find it again

Nvm

lol

[rose thorn]

literally every hive city had a huge chaos uprising like 2 years ago

[crystal forum]

we just know nothing about it

[rose thorn]

and hten now every hive cityis having a genestealer uprisign

[crystal forum]

votaan literally cant function without their cores anyways

wouldn't be able to reproduce

[lament shoal]

Wait so have the stealers and cultists there just been in a perpetual war with the other gangs and no one has gained a meaningful upper hand?

[arctic talon]

Usually the big house gangs stomp out chaos and stealer gangs

[rose thorn]

literally the main plot of necromunda:

[arctic talon]

Fast

[crystal forum]

munda has plot?

[arctic talon]

But sometimes there reach critical mass

lol

[rose thorn]

one guy's cult got as hgih as the spire

[crystal forum]

wtf are arbites doing

[rose thorn]

i forgot how they beat that one down

[rose thorn]

they were protecting the rich and powerful

[lament shoal]

Sounds like them

[rose thorn]

OH YEAH THE HIVE CITY BURNT DOWN

wlel

mostly caught on fire

like

the entire hive city

[crystal forum]

killing cults that reach spires is literally arbites job description

if it gets that bad

[lament shoal]

I'm assuming the cult that reached the upper spires had to deal with them

Probably

[crystal forum]

calling in the feds

[rose thorn]

i always forget necromunda has a large sisters of battle presence

[crystal forum]

show those palantine who's boss

[lament shoal]

Happiest man in Necromunda:

[rose thorn]

AGAGAGAGAGHHAHAG

[arctic talon]

Doing their job

[crystal forum]

better than birmingam

[arctic talon]

Munda is a shithole

[rose thorn]

isnt it dog shit by hive city standards too

[lament shoal]

"I just woke up in a FUCKING steamy mood yeah? CAUSE I LIVE, IN A SHIT HOLE! NECROMUNDA IS A FUCKING SHIT HOLE! I HATE THE FUCKING PLACE! I FUCKING HATE IT! ITS FULL OF DICKHEADS, I FUCKING HATE IT!"

[arctic talon]

Yes

lol

[crystal forum]

it's our shithole

which makes it better than other shitholes

[rose thorn]

lmao

[lament shoal]

Real

[crystal forum]

why are there so many poorly taken pictures of this man

he's not even in frame

[lament shoal]

I should play necromunda it sounds fun

[rose thorn]

i wish i could get men in black memory wipped nad get shown every 40k factions so i can get a favorite

[crystal forum]

what if there was a trans guard girl

would you join the good side

[lament shoal]

Ik there's a trans necron lol

[rose thorn]

thats like, happened 3 times

[lament shoal]

And its only mentioned very briefly because the other crons don't care lmao

[rose thorn]

also house esher has alot of trans ppl btw

[crystal forum]

ah damn well there goes my idea

[rose thorn]

i know there was a esher son (which is rare as hell ) who transistioned

[languid meadow]

pretty sure there are multiple mentioned

iirc

[crystal forum]

wokecrons

[rose thorn]

theres also trans (non binary) space marines

[crystal forum]

league of wokan

[lament shoal]

Wokehammer haters instantly disintegrating upon viewing this chat

[rose thorn]

i dont think theres trasn fem or trans masc space mariens

[crystal forum]

astra miligender

[rose thorn]

jay is ur pfp the afton files

[crystal forum]

[rose thorn]

i was gonna mkae ajoke but it wont make sense

if im wrong

[languid meadow]

stupid ahhh sheep

[crystal forum]

it's my sheep girl

[rose thorn]

ohhh okay

[lament shoal]

Imperials only how how to eat corpse starch and be gay

[rose thorn]

hey are centaurs furries

[crystal forum]

depends

[crystal forum]

there's a taur category of furries that are like centaurs but arent exclusively horses

which is just the body shape like how feral is quadruped

[rose thorn]

needt o know for my joke

[crystal forum]

they're called taurs

and yeah there's deer taurs

[rose thorn]

doesnt taur literally mean half

[crystal forum]

idk

[arctic talon]

Marines are basically their own species tbh

Their brains are different

[rose thorn]

OH IT MEANS BULL

DUH

[crystal forum]

inquitransition

[arctic talon]

Anyways someone compiled the history of people standing between Horus and the emperor

[rose thorn]

perpetual

DIE DIE IDE IDE IDE IDE IDE DIE DIE DIE IDE

[arctic talon]

lol

[rose thorn]

I HATEPERPEUTALS I HATE PERPETUALS

[crystal forum]

it's literally always been ol person

since abnet just retcons it

[rose thorn]

i hope next year they fuckit up again

and then say its like

anything else

if i could change warhamemr in anway iw ould remove perpetuals

id be so happy

[crystal forum]

many people would

[rose thorn]

good

[crystal forum]

grammaticus

[rose thorn]

its probably the worst warhammre lore that hasnt been abandoned

its one of the two reasons i hate salamanders

[crystal forum]

it's been actively pushed forward with the HH

[rose thorn]

bad bad bad

they could have kept uh,,, whats his name,,, lizard man

the primarch

[arctic talon]

Thank fuck GW never mentions perpetuals in 40K anymore

lol

[crystal forum]

grammaticus will come back

[rose thorn]

VULKAN

vulkan immortal by just saying he has lizard dna

[crystal forum]

vulkan dies immediately after the HH though like the other primarchs

he's not really part of 40k

[rose thorn]

man im just a hater

[crystal forum]

there's no real perpetual stuff in 40k

it's just HH bullshit

[rose thorn]

oh

my gdo

i jsut cheked the warhammer 40k noob wbesite

[lament shoal]

JOHN FREAKIN GRAMAAAAAAAAAAATICUS!

[rose thorn]

xenos, isnt the full name of the section

[crystal forum]

john uh

gramma

gender

[rose thorn]

ph warhammer.com

[crystal forum]

gendericus

[languid meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ethantran-gif-27257100

[rose thorn]

bruh this shit does NOT need ot be imperium pov

[crystal forum]

the threat

[rose thorn]

they coudl have said xenos of the galaxy

or anythign elsel

[crystal forum]

it makes them sound cooler

[rose thorn]

AHAGAAHAAH

THEY ZOOMED IN ON THE GKS

TO MAKE THEM BIGGER

[crystal forum]

holy shit

GK rework?

oh wait no thats the old models right

[rose thorn]

they ddi not update tihs

[crystal forum]

a weapon to surpass custodes

[crystal forum]

isn't the upgrade kit pretty new

[rose thorn]

these are the finecast models

[crystal forum]

oh

[rose thorn]

these are

OLDDDD

theres, only 4 imperium factions on here

https://warhammer40000.com/the-armies

[crystal forum]

imagine orks but yellow and with moustaches and they yell
waaaaaaaaario

[rose thorn]

oh im gonnado the choose your amry quiz

take guesseso nw aht i get

[crystal forum]

eldar related

including deldar

i'll take the quiz too

[rose thorn]

i got gsc

took it agiana dn got LoV

took ita third time and got dark angels

[crystal forum]

NO

ITS IMPOSSIBLE

[rose thorn]

surspied i got LoV

[crystal forum]

oh it's random

lmao

[rose thorn]

no dakr angels make sense, they are a combined arms army

[crystal forum]

you should play lov

[rose thorn]

i am a ocmbined arms gamer

[crystal forum]

they are cool

i thought you only had two arms

and they are combined to your body

[rose thorn]

nah the star gods gave me 3

[crystal forum]

is that the power of estrogen

i heard rumors

[rose thorn]

its why i love stormcasts and sylvaneth, stormcasts have liek 5 play styles you need to use at hte samet ime

[plush mason]

https://youtube.com/shorts/OGwmTwgc6nw?si=0WGMIsAFOIWz4Q7N owlcat clearly knows the 40k fans lol

[rose thorn]

sylvaneth iks also very split

hey is agents of the imperiuma combined arms amry

[crystal forum]

yeah

it's literally a mix and match army

[arctic talon]

Yes

But badly

lol

[rose thorn]

damn

[arctic talon]

The flesh is weak

[crystal forum]

you can also just use them with any faction

[arctic talon]

Join me

[crystal forum]

ok wolf let me just see your gamma pistol first

which i recovered the stc of

[rose thorn]

wait wat armies are combined arms in 40k anyhow

beisdes spaec mariens:

[arctic talon]

Literally all of them

Lmao

[rose thorn]

oh huh

neat

[arctic talon]

By modern definitions

Aside from nids

Because

They’re you know

No vehicles

[crystal forum]

legit the only thing keeping me from liking tabletop asmech is the aesthetic

i dont like the vehicles

[rose thorn]

wait thats what cmbined arms means irl?

[arctic talon]

Though some armies in 40K lean much more

Mechanized infantry

Then actual combined arms

[rose thorn]

ohh

[crystal forum]

airforce, army, navy

all working together

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[rose thorn]

i meant like, stormcasts combined arms, all the untis have different specalziations

[arctic talon]

Oh

[rose thorn]

or at least catagories

[arctic talon]

From a rules perspective that’s called a toolkit army

lol

[rose thorn]

OHHH

[arctic talon]

Which is a lot of armies

Tbh

[rose thorn]

okay

[crystal forum]

combined arms in 40k prob means it's not single elite unit focused like custodes

or GK

[rose thorn]

"ruination chamber is the trade guys, vanguard is the fast guys, extermis is the tanky monsters, warrior chamber is the terrible units"

(liberators are good but thats besdies the point)

[arctic talon]

Terrible units 💀

Man that’s my favorite chamber

[rose thorn]

literally 2 units in all of warrior chamber are good m osrry

knight aracnum and liberators

[crystal forum]

what's a liberator

[rose thorn]

hammers

[crystal forum]

isn't that a space marine chapter

[arctic talon]

It’s the basic stormcast infantry

Well

[crystal forum]

oh fantasy

[arctic talon]

One of many

Basic stormcast infantry lol

[rose thorn]

the are the offesnive basic infantry

[crystal forum]

🏃‍➡️ 🚪

[rose thorn]

the defensive is vindicators

and vindicators are bad

man if only tehre was na army in warhammer 40k that had like, each unit be maybe 1 guy who uses a specaizlied weapon set and excel in one specific role (/j)

[arctic talon]

Kid named craftworld eldar

[crystal forum]

kid named kill team

[rose thorn]

bhdaHJFIHKJHKJGFHKJS

[arctic talon]

I’m convinced GW based every AoS army off of how Craftworld Eldar function

lol

[rose thorn]

oh?

[arctic talon]

More so

The much more siloed unit roles

With generalists being the weaker chunk aside from a few

[rose thorn]

ohh

[arctic talon]

Aside from a few being shit like chaos warriors and chaos chosen

lol

Because if you try and tell me chaos warriors or chosen are bad

I got a brick of 20 that’s gona meet your face

[rose thorn]

well aos is a melee game with smaller armies, so in return units have ot be more role specific

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

40k is also a melee game depending on the edition

[arctic talon]

But whfb also wasn’t as specific

[crystal forum]

and on the army

[arctic talon]

But its rank and file Ect. Ect.

[crystal forum]

and on the player

[arctic talon]

It’s a design philosophy GW has chosen

[crystal forum]

nvm it's not a melee game

[arctic talon]

Not that it’s a bad one

Tbh 9e was absolutely a melee edition lol

You know it’s getting funny when guard wants to get in melee

[rose thorn]

the smaller your amry/game size is the more specalzied your units need to be

[arctic talon]

And Tau don’t mind being stuck in

[crystal forum]

more like 10th is a ranged

[lament shoal]

Guys should they give the ogryn a multimelta in the game lol

[arctic talon]

lol

[crystal forum]

lol

[rose thorn]

i need to be tlaked ot about eldar lore and why i woudl like them then ill love htem

[arctic talon]

What do you want to learn

[rose thorn]

becuase i really like alot of the units

[arctic talon]

Genuine question lol

Like the general culture and attitudes?

[rose thorn]

alot of lore moslty

[crystal forum]

they're space twinks who have borderline shizophrenic motivations

[rose thorn]

like what do they do,

what do they feel

[arctic talon]

Alright gimme a bit

I’ll like

[rose thorn]

why they matter

[crystal forum]

also they hate everybody

[arctic talon]

I can do it just not heavily

[rose thorn]

anything helps

[crystal forum]

they matter because they're an ancient race with great ppwer

[rose thorn]

ebcause noen fot he books helped

[arctic talon]

The craftworlds #1 primary motivation is survival, their goal is to not die out

[rose thorn]

peak

[crystal forum]

they have the same origin as humans

they were once great and powerful

and had an empire

[arctic talon]

As for why they matter they’re probably the single most informed faction about the threat chaos holds

[crystal forum]

but then they hate fucked eachother until slaanesh was born

[rose thorn]

i forgot chaos was a threat in 40k

[arctic talon]

The eldar are like

[rose thorn]

aos brain rot is real

[crystal forum]

they created slaanesh

[arctic talon]

One of the primary factions that intervenes in the event of stuff chaos related

[arctic talon]

The eldar empire and craftworlds should be separated

[crystal forum]

ye ye hold on wolf

[arctic talon]

But yeah the eldar empire who’s sucessors are the dark eldar

Created slaanesh

[crystal forum]

so the empire is dead

[arctic talon]

Yes

[crystal forum]

and the ones who survived are the space amish

and the space traders

[lament shoal]

Space amish lmfao

[rose thorn]

what does being a cw eldar feel like? when your making lore what should you feel

[arctic talon]

The craftworlds are a mix of dooms day peppers

[rose thorn]

nice

[crystal forum]

tradition

they are very into tradition

they highly value their ancestors too

[lament shoal]

They heed the farseers' word almost without question

[arctic talon]

A desire for survival, a sense of doom, trying to carry on what’s left of a culture you never knew. Also hatred towards chaos

There is nothing the craftworlds hate more then the “Great Enemy”

[crystal forum]

they literally carry their ancestors around with them

it's part of their life

[rose thorn]

how do eldar cultures differ

[crystal forum]

they has a much bigger high than othe rcivs

[arctic talon]

Between craftworlds?

[rose thorn]

ye

[crystal forum]

so their tech is esoteric

they navigate using the webway

[rose thorn]

i know the lore from the outsider pov

[lament shoal]

So some eldar already left on the cws before slaanesh was born?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[lament shoal]

Gotcha

[crystal forum]

thats how they survived

any CW too close to the crone worlds died

it was a huge explosion

[arctic talon]

Saim’hann, wild, tribal, aggressive. Large sense of freedom and individualism.

Ulthwe: deep hatred of chaos, known for being reclusive and obsessed with knowledge

Altaaioc: traditional, they want to explore the galaxy and carry on their traditions

Beil’tan; violent, angry at the galaxy, massively xenophobic.

Luggnath: pirate like, criminal almost, obsessed with trade and security. Wish to take over comorroagh

[crystal forum]

so they're all space nomads now who dont have a real home

[rose thorn]

what does tribal mean in terms of eldar?

[crystal forum]

clinging to tradition in a vain hope of survival

[rose thorn]

noting that

[arctic talon]

As in they have actual tribes, they’ve reverted to a more familial way of life

[rose thorn]

oh sick

[arctic talon]

They don’t have a proper seer council and such

Elected officials

[rose thorn]

what causes craftworld eldar to develope their cultures differently

[lament shoal]

Ik there's also the cw of Saim-Hann and they fought back a tsons invasion

[arctic talon]

I’ve got a few more craftworlds

[crystal forum]

the way they were before the fall usually

[arctic talon]

Eldar had highly diverse culture before the fall. The craftworlds merely intensified said diversity

[crystal forum]

like there's a craftworld that was created shortly before the fall and it thought it was the last surviving cw for a while

[arctic talon]

Due to less intermixing

[rose thorn]

peak

[crystal forum]

it had to survive so many catastrophies

xenos invasions and shit

so now they're experts in guerilla warfare

and they hate everybody

the fall was a long time ago too, to keep in mind

not many eldar are still alive who witnessed it

only one confirmed is a deldar

[rose thorn]

excited to hear

[crystal forum]

let him cook

[rose thorn]

note ot self: kamen rider reference in eldar?

[arctic talon]

Altansar: grim, stoic, haunted. General lack of sociability. Highly paranoid. Hate daemons

Iyanden: sad, depressed, melancholic, obsessed with the preservation of life and avoiding conflict.

Iybraesil: matriarchal, obsessed with destiny and the future, hates chaos a ton

Mymeara: isolationists, deceitful, untrustworthy, thought they were the only ones left alive

[lament shoal]

There's also crudarach but it was destroyed

[arctic talon]

I’m picking out the craftworlds GW has written lots of lore about in the codexes or rulebooks tbh

[crystal forum]

altansar is the most badass

stuck in the fucking eye of terror

[arctic talon]

Altansar surviving centuries of non stop war

Against daemons, chaos cultists and chaos space marines

[crystal forum]

i like mymeara

[rose thorn]

when writing your own craftworld eldar what should ht goal be

[crystal forum]

they were the ones i mentioned

[rose thorn]

like

[crystal forum]

who are very self reliant

[arctic talon]

Decide if you want an interventionist one or isolationist one

As a baseline

[crystal forum]

first of all, where were they when the fall happened

[arctic talon]

Then you can start building on their culture from there

[crystal forum]

close to the eye of terror or far

if close, they experienced demons

if far, they didnt

[rose thorn]

oh yeah do the uh,,, speical guys i forgot what htey are called

the ones inspired by named characters

[arctic talon]

Aspect warriors

[rose thorn]

do they differ from CW to CW

[arctic talon]

No

Some color differences between shrines

And such

[crystal forum]

you have to choose the traits

[arctic talon]

But generally they’re the same across craftworlds

[rose thorn]

so an aspect warrior in one would be similar to antoher

[arctic talon]

Aspect warriors are all khaine cultists

[rose thorn]

gotcha

[arctic talon]

They’ve dedicated themselves to khaine

[rose thorn]

what is the wider cw's opinion on them

[arctic talon]

A bit creepy/weird

Murderers

Protectors of the craftworld

[crystal forum]

what kind of fighting do you want to do

[arctic talon]

Though on some craftworlds

[crystal forum]

that depends on the craftworld

[arctic talon]

Like Beil’tan

They’re like

Celebrated

[rose thorn]

i can bet

i realy liekd beiltan form the few aapperances ive seen