#40k-lore-chat

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crystal forum
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all becoming patrick bateman

green loom
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What if I become a warhammer loretuber fr

rose thorn
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You have two paths

arctic talon
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He sells roids

crystal forum
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he even mixes his own paints

languid meadow
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still wondering how the AUD fell so far

rocky gale
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I'll be one of them Warhammer Vtubers

rose thorn
languid meadow
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what did they do

rose thorn
crystal forum
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he sells supplements

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how am i not surprised

rocky gale
rose thorn
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The only warhammer vtubers I know are horrific twitter racists

crystal forum
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how to become rich on the internet:
-have a gym routine
-become moderately muscular
-sell supplements by pretending you use them

rocky gale
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Not all, but a lot

rose thorn
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Half tempted to become an underworlds tuber

crystal forum
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i love how men gave themselves body dysmorphia in the span of like a decade

rose thorn
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You only need 2k subs to get stuff from GW as an underworlds tuber

crystal forum
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my parent's generation wouldn't give a shit if a guy was balding and fat as shit

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now zoomers act like you have to be a calvin klein model to get a date

languid meadow
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"dating is fucked" no you're just an asshole

arctic talon
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It’s munda

crystal forum
spring cairn
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nothing wrong with that

crystal forum
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not at all

green loom
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If I shave my legs I run the risk of lynching fr

crystal forum
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but it can lead to problems when people dont even know what love is

languid meadow
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true but im not gonna fuck someone who's an ass

crystal forum
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since they think sex is all there is

spring cairn
crystal forum
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"i dont do hookups" says the person marrying somebody they met a month ago

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i have literally seen this

lofty mason
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Might not be directly related to Darktide, but in SM2, Gadriel figured out Titus isn't a Primaris because "he's over 200 years old". Aren't Primaris created like over 10,000 years ago?

median star
arctic talon
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Also no

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Primaris were created at a variety of different times

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Gadriel is old as shit

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But a lot of primaris aren’t

green loom
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Gadriel isn't the old one

crystal forum
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like why are people so scared of hookups while also clearly wanting hookups

green loom
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Chairon is the one from Horus Heresy era Calth

green loom
spring cairn
arctic talon
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Also not all primaris were created 10k years ago either

green loom
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Upper limit for primaris would be 100ish years assuming they are a former legionnaire that got grabbed way back or something

arctic talon
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Cawl was kidnapping kids earlier rather then later

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lol

languid meadow
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Gen Z sliding into a warped version of 50s dating mentality

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also getting more prude

lament shoal
spring cairn
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coincide with the rise of a certain political movement worldwide

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mmmmmh

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probably just the wind

languid meadow
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in OUR generation, remember Gen Z is 97 to I think 2012

crystal forum
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nah i think the politics just adapted to the social problems

lament shoal
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Fucking auto fill put "depressed" in there for me but ig that works too

rocky gale
crystal forum
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millenials were already fucked before us

median star
spring cairn
lofty mason
spring cairn
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it's like 50/50

languid meadow
arctic talon
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People in general are also dating less

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Which isn’t a bad thing

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It’s just how it is

lament shoal
spring cairn
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are they really

lament shoal
arctic talon
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But again does that really matter?

green loom
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It's likely to do with the wide ranging destruction of 3rd spaces

crystal forum
languid meadow
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depends on who you ask

arctic talon
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Fair

spring cairn
languid meadow
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it can be if the causes of it are REALLY BAD

green loom
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Are you going to take your date to mcdonalds?

spring cairn
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i date a lot so i don't really see the downward trend

languid meadow
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making TV dinners as a date

lofty mason
crystal forum
winged jacinth
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The decline in dating is a sign of actual problems like a lack of free time and a lack of confidence in supporting a family

rocky gale
lament shoal
median star
spring cairn
lament shoal
spring cairn
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no

green loom
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I don't date because everyone here is a literal nazi or various flavours of bigot

crystal forum
spring cairn
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well they do say fuck nazis...

crystal forum
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he's not gay

spring cairn
arctic talon
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This topic doesn’t effect me that heavily though

rocky gale
spring cairn
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i would melt

crystal forum
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my problem is im too quick on the trigger so i end up only doing hookups

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which i dont mind but love is something i think every human being requires to a certain extent

rocky gale
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Like there's a daisy chain of protestant groups here which progressively get more extreme until they get kicked out and then form their own church only to repeat

arctic talon
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Many such cases in history

languid meadow
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Wow reminds me of a certain group that left for the new world

crystal forum
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even aromantic people desire platonic love i think

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idk im not on the ace or aro spectrum at all

arctic talon
spring cairn
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they're real

arctic talon
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The dude is like extremely unethical

crystal forum
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i'd be fine if we had the tech to edit baby genes tbh

arctic talon
arctic talon
languid meadow
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He got arrested in 2019 and sentenced to prison for 3 years for illegally tampering with embryos

arctic talon
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Yeah

violet nexus
crystal forum
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yeah testing on humans is fucked

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if it hasn't even gone past the animal testing stage

languid meadow
crystal forum
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but you have to admit there is a huge knee jerk reaction to designer babies

arctic talon
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He didn’t do it successfully on animals

languid meadow
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tbf I think there should be a limit

arctic talon
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And then he didn’t do it successfully on humans

violet nexus
spring cairn
arctic talon
spring cairn
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most likely

crystal forum
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like there's actual countries that signed into law rules about not allowing cloning babies despite it never having been done with humans

spring cairn
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definitely profitable

arctic talon
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He should have gotten it right in the first place

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Before doing it on a human

languid meadow
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like gene-editing to get rid of genetic diseases should be focused on and to stop you know people from developing horrific shit

arctic talon
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It’s a good thing that there’s no issues with the kids as far as we know

languid meadow
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but like editing your baby to have certain traits is fucking weird

lament shoal
languid meadow
crystal forum
spring cairn
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editing my baby to look like a labubu

spring cairn
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but anything is better than nothing

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like for AI

crystal forum
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like who would say no to removing down syndrome from their unborn fetus if given the chance

spring cairn
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kinda the same deal

sick copper
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So about them Tyranids

arctic talon
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What about em

daring creek
lament shoal
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Bugs

rocky gale
violet nexus
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Real progress is about colonizing planets and going out there

rocky gale
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But still he needs regulation

daring creek
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Humans are inherently social creatures

spring cairn
daring creek
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Thats why when you have social hermits, you'll find them very enamored on the internet

crystal forum
languid meadow
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People put it into eugenics which kind of makes sense but I don't think the two are comparable at all. Like if you could edit a baby to be immune to horrific disease they're guaranteed to get which helps the child and the parents. It also doesn't stop the parents from having a child in the first place.

daring creek
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Lol

green loom
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What else am I going to do, hang out with the nazis? No thank you!

median star
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then you have the guy getting infusions of his sons blood to try and stay younger and he ends up just looking like a ghoul

spring cairn
sick copper
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Darktide lore channel. Come for the lore, stay for the IRL gene editing discussion

crystal forum
green loom
crystal forum
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just keep that word for the pseudoscience

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eugenics straight up doesn't work

languid meadow
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Idk I think gene-editing could be useful for that type of stuff but this is coming from somebody in which it might've helped if I was born in the future

spring cairn
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nvm i checked ang eugenic has nothing to do with gene editing

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at least the definition

green loom
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Eugenics is like race horse breeding or something lol

spring cairn
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yes

crystal forum
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it's like if chemists wanted to make the word alchemy cool again

spring cairn
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it's a breeding shit

green loom
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CK3 gameplay mechanics

crystal forum
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and like i said it's also a pseudoscience

celest dome
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gene editing could be used for eugenic purposes, but so can selective breeding and an other things

crystal forum
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it misunderstands recessive and dominant genes

languid meadow
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is CRSPR pseudoscience?

crystal forum
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no that's real

rocky gale
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Eugenics was a dumb nazi thing, what we should do instead is Atlantropa

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Drain the Mediterranean

crystal forum
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crisper became popular a few years ago but idk where the tech has gone

languid meadow
median star
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eugenics discussion in lore chat freak off in general chat yea its darktide time

crystal forum
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there's literal eugenics in 40k

languid meadow
spring cairn
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There's some stuff about new eugenics which is apparently not the same as eugenics and refers to gene editing

sick copper
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Freak off you say? Hold my Bolter.

crystal forum
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the word is literally used in the lore

crystal forum
spring cairn
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it's messy

crystal forum
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they're reusing the same word for literally no reason

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they could just use a different one

spring cairn
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i mean i get why they using it

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because in popular belief

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that's what eugenic is

crystal forum
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if i had to stop using master/slave in eletronics why tf do they get to use eugenics

spring cairn
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like nowadays people think about gene editing first when eugenic is mentionned

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not the breeding shit

hallow saddle
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crispr also cant be used in most humanss iirc?

crystal forum
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i used to know a lot about crispr when it came out but i completely forgor

spring cairn
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crispr is a secondary in hd2

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ur welcome

crystal forum
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i thought it was going to be the new frontier of science and i wanted to switch my career to biomedical

languid meadow
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CRISPR just got a breakthrough on sickle cell iirc

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I would need to check

median star
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i thought the japanese eliminated the stuff that causes down syndrome w crispr like last month

crystal forum
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but i think it just ended up being the biomed's equivalent of a tech fad. that industry has difficulty generating the same hype as software

hallow saddle
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so ud need to nuke an entire chromosome from every cell

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whichj sounds mega fucky

crystal forum
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i think it has to be done very early in the pregnancy

violet nexus
crystal forum
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you cant just edit a full grown human

hallow saddle
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ohhhh based

crystal forum
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sadly

median star
hallow saddle
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yeah lol

hallow saddle
crystal forum
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and ofc down syndrome is prob a very easy problem to detect

hallow saddle
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still an entire chromosome seems like a hell of a big edit to make

median star
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guards remove a chromosome from each of his cells

crystal forum
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the funny thing with biomed is we can have these tools to edit genes but we still don't know jack shit about the genetic makeup of our bodies

rocky gale
hallow saddle
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like theres a big difference between knocking out a couple of genes

median star
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do you think they could turn me blue w crispr

hallow saddle
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could maybe insert green fluorescent protein so u'd glow in UV

crystal forum
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like we can barely edit the human gene, let alone create new features like idk cat ears

hallow saddle
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would be kind of poggers

crystal forum
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that would be like creating living creatures out of thin air

spring cairn
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if it's about extending the human lifespan put me int

hallow saddle
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(extremely poggers)

spring cairn
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i'll test it

crystal forum
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we can't really scientifically explain how or why cells age

spring cairn
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idc, i won't ever be able to afford something that's guarenteed to work

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inject the serum

crystal forum
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you can be sure of one thing though

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if rich people are resorting to injecting child blood in their balls to stay young then we aren't close to removing aging

languid meadow
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lobster time

spring cairn
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what

rocky gale
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Me going to the gene editing store to turn my hair blue because I don't like the smell of hair dye

spring cairn
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wait is that about the guy

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who's using his son as a bloodbag

crystal forum
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yeah

spring cairn
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lmao

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he's so corny

crystal forum
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like you can just tell he's desperate

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there's no way any of that works

hallow saddle
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cant wait for that guy to get cancer

median star
crystal forum
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personally i think the future lies in brain imaging technology

hallow saddle
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there was a good behind the bastards episodes on quack treatments for autism

crystal forum
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but we're not even remotely close to scanning a full brain in the span of less than a millenia

hallow saddle
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and theyre all supremely fucked up

hallow saddle
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like injecting heavy metals into kids

crystal forum
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i do believe that consciousness and our identity is entirely located in the physical neurons of our brain

spring cairn
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yeah i mean

languid meadow
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robo brain time

spring cairn
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no shi

crystal forum
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ofc it's more complicated than that

spring cairn
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a scan is just a copy so it's not u

crystal forum
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and im not smart enough to understand it all

spring cairn
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ship of cheezus or something

crystal forum
spring cairn
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it doesn't have any for everybody that's not u

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it's cope

storm jungle
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It kinda boils down to "who gives a fuck"

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copy or not, its someone

spring cairn
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well you

storm jungle
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Not really no

crystal forum
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it's more about how i can rationalize the idea of being an individual who is me instead of you, if that makes any sense

spring cairn
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ur not living thru ur copy

storm jungle
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theres a funny bit in Cyberpunk where you can actually ask Johnny this exact question

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and he literally says the same thing

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"Who cares lol"

crystal forum
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like how does the current me have any relation to the me that was an underdeveloped child

spring cairn
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it depends on what you want, you as in the person being scanned

storm jungle
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Guys

crystal forum
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at the end of the day we're just biological machines with memories of a past

storm jungle
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you are not you

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you are me

spring cairn
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do you want to live longer ? you're not gonna

crystal forum
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if those memories can be copied then you can be copied too

languid meadow
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yeah a copy IS you but not you

spring cairn
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play SOMA

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please

storm jungle
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Who is you when you is you when it stops being you thus you not being you

languid meadow
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true

crystal forum
storm jungle
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when you-
when you-
when you-
when you-
when you-
when you-
when you-

languid meadow
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again it depends but until we can do it there's no point in debating it

median star
storm jungle
lament shoal
spring cairn
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SOMA already answered this

languid meadow
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it's like greek philosophers debating if humans would ever fly

storm jungle
crystal forum
median star
storm jungle
crystal forum
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but then again maybe we don't need that level of precision. the human brain changes a lot over the course of just a day

median star
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but are you me

storm jungle
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tell him Mr Schwarzenegger

spring cairn
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what if we put our brains in jar and hook them up to machines

crystal forum
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and of course this is all just surface level philosophy at the end of the day

spring cairn
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cool af

storm jungle
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Dalek mindset? Based

spring cairn
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i'm living forever one way or another

crystal forum
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but philosophy loves to run miles with an inch of fact

languid meadow
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why do I need a major in philosophy if I can just smoke a blunt and talk about this shit all the same

median star
languid meadow
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fucking frauds

storm jungle
spring cairn
storm jungle
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already flawed

languid meadow
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well Iron Hands are cringe

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and daleks are funny

crystal forum
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at the end of the day, scientifically speaking, there is no conclusion on consciousness

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you can only form assumptions with some facts

storm jungle
languid meadow
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I don't think we'll ever come to a conclusion

sick copper
languid meadow
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whether that's good or bad

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idk

storm jungle
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These fucking intergalactic exterminator trashcans can just fly around and blow up capital ships

languid meadow
crystal forum
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i dont think we'll find an answer to life, which is just a dumb question. but i think if nature can create something then so can we potentially

languid meadow
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maybe angels

storm jungle
crystal forum
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that's what i said

spring cairn
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there is

storm jungle
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we just ended up lucky on the primordial soup

crystal forum
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there cant be an answer if there's no question

storm jungle
spring cairn
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life is my playground

lament shoal
storm jungle
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its from the front!!!

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go my ripper swarm

lament shoal
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Ah

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Lil ripper

static wren
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zola haircut tho

crystal forum
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although imagine if we all exist to fill a simulated planet for like one guy in kansas

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i hope that's the result

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i want to be an NPC it would be so funny

lament shoal
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I really want this watcher plush its cute

storm jungle
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warhammer is a super serious setting btw

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trust me guys

spring cairn
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queue in the warhammer kid books

median star
sick copper
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Today a young man high on acid realized matter is energy condensed into a slow vibration, there's no such thing as death and we are the imaginations of ourselves

languid meadow
storm jungle
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anyway buy more space marines

storm jungle
crystal forum
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drugs only help at accepting the world as it is. they dont help to understand it

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at least as i've experienced it

languid meadow
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they're also fun

storm jungle
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you didnt go hard enough

spring cairn
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sound like something someone high would say

storm jungle
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we need more mushrooms, WAITER NM_Bell

lament shoal
crystal forum
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if you find answers on shrooms you've just become shizophrenic

storm jungle
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I mean

crystal forum
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unironically

storm jungle
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it worked for Frank Herbert

outer wave
spring cairn
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no but you get to see the machine elves if u take acid

storm jungle
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based

crystal forum
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the least addictive drug being illegal

crystal forum
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cant make this shit up

median star
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i only smoke paprika

lament shoal
languid meadow
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istg there was a push to legalized psilocybin in Canada recently

storm jungle
crystal forum
languid meadow
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"Alberta is moving towards legalizing and regulating medicinal use for all psychedelics, including psilocybin" rare W

crystal forum
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shrooms aren't even criminalized in canada. you can have it and all cops can do is take them from you

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can't charge you

sick copper
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People can't even be trusted to be responsible with alcohol most of the time. Doubt we need a bunch of people hearing colors and feeling the walls breathe

crystal forum
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trust me you won't be physically able to drive on shrooms

languid meadow
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Funny thing is I don't think any political party can actually move to recriminalize weed in this country since it's become a massive industry. It would be political suicide.

outer wave
crystal forum
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yeah both sides love weed

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especially right wingers funny enough

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libertarians love it a lot

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since for a brief moment you could just start a weed farm and make a lot of money

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but as with most things it became quickly unprofitable which didn't stop people from trying to keep doing it

languid meadow
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land of the free

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but only for a bit

crystal forum
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i thought you meant canada

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in the US it's still tied up by state laws because feds only do things when it's politically convenient

tough haven
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I see no correlation

crystal forum
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florida have a monopoly with weed set up by the governor

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only legal for one company or so to grow

languid meadow
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The cannabis sector contributed $16 billion to our GDP in 2024

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I think it's even more now only half way through the year

crystal forum
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i hate pot growers

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they are so annoying

languid meadow
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like regular people or people who sell it on the markets

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I know regular people who grow plants are annoying

crystal forum
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the hustler bros who went into the business for money purely

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i had a coworker who was one

tough haven
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I hate that even through “official” dispensaries there’s basically no regulation on weed, it can be quite unsafe still

crystal forum
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he would talk to me the entire shift about weed

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mind you growing plants is very complicated

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but i dont caaaaaare

crystal forum
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or the legal loophole weeds like delta 8

storm jungle
sick copper
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Funny enough the Artificial weed USED TO BE perfectly fine. Did excatly what you'd expect. Problem is, they started banning the exact chemical structures for them. So manufactures changed the structures which produced increase random and awful effects. If they left it alone it wouldn't have been an issue lol

crystal forum
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um, 40k lore channel?

languid meadow
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I fucking love looking at the labels of the rolls I buy sometimes

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like this container I have right here calls itself gorilla glue

crystal forum
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it's all gay french names here

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like fruit passion or man musk

lament shoal
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Obviously its glue made from gorillas

sick copper
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Love me sum man musk

languid meadow
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hmmm can I post the packaging here without getting destroyed....

crystal forum
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i'll decipher your location

languid meadow
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ah I think I'll be fine

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type of shit they sell here

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Gorilla glue....

crystal forum
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why tf does it come in pill bottles

languid meadow
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depends on the brand

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some come in bags

crystal forum
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it looks prescribed by somebody who calls himself "doctor magik"

languid meadow
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some come in cig packs

crystal forum
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it's all in these official looking bags or containers here

languid meadow
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holy ass

crystal forum
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and like i said

sick copper
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Oh God yes, Gorilla Glue! Lol. I miss all the weird weed names. My fav was Sour Diesel

crystal forum
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gay name

languid meadow
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Grindah

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I found another package

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sour sucker mints

winged jacinth
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Weed names plus the professionalism dispensaries have added is super funny

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Walk up to the budtender and politely request an eighth of purp skurp gurp nurp

hallow saddle
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im smoking some Tangerine Dream atm...

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and still have a bit of rly nice White Rhino left

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(in 40k)

lament shoal
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I bet that necromundian underhive weed hits hard

celest dome
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Esher brand weed uwugryn

arctic talon
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You think they smoke weed?

dapper gyro
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In Canada, or at least QC, legal and illegal weed is a bloody battle. When 1st introduced, SQDC had better stuff at similar price as the illegal market, so the illegal upped their game, which triggered the SQDC to change prices and quality.

arctic talon
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Nah they’re on harder shit lol

dapper gyro
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Now, the illegal would get weeded out quick if they sell shit stuff or try to scam people.

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Funny

hallow saddle
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i want legal weed in the uk

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not gonna happen for a long fookin time though

dapper gyro
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I don't smoke, it's too expensive. I have other addictions.

hallow saddle
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theres been negative progress in fact cause theresa may made it class b when she was home secretary

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rather than c

dapper gyro
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Brother, you need ID to watch videos... How did that happen?

hallow saddle
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beats me lol

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i didnt even know it was gonna happen

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also vpns make it pointless anyway

dapper gyro
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I hear that they want to ban VPN, too...

hallow saddle
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yeah...

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we'll see if it actually happens

dapper gyro
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Man, if they try that shit on us, I don't know about Canada, but Quebec will revolt the shit out of it.

hallow saddle
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i dont think its worth the govt cashing in that political capital at the moment

dapper gyro
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P*rnHub was created here and their HQ was here until 2018.

hallow saddle
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the PM is super unpopular, i dont know if he wants to chance it

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but who knows

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JorkHub

dapper gyro
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That kind of movement is how you bring back illegal prostitution.

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Because people are willing to pay to stay anonymous.

rocky gale
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Implying it ever went away

dapper gyro
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It doesn't, but there were less demands...

crystal forum
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i don't know what happened to it but a pm has been trying to push the age verification thing for a long time and it was being sent through

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plus people seem to forget that carney's first bill is a digital surveillance package

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literally the first thing since he entered office

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no western country is safe from this stuff

languid meadow
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when the red tory is a red tory

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it fucking sucks

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but it's either ass cancer (liberals) or brain cancer (cons)

crystal forum
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it doesnt matter which side rn

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everybody is pushing anti privacy laws

languid meadow
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yeah

crystal forum
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the whole western world

languid meadow
#

best we can do is throw bricks

hallow saddle
#

i blame peter thiel

crystal forum
#

politicians will only notice when foreign hackers manage to get the social security info of the entire government

#

there is genuinely no greater evil in this world than a government who thinks it deserves to control the lives of its citizens

lament shoal
#

UK moment

valid needle
#

The government would make a shit load mate

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And it would highly crush drug related crime

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But they don’t legalise it

hallow saddle
#

you could fund a load of public health stuff and maybe have some money left if it goes well

valid needle
#

It would also highly cut down on drug related deaths if the government are regulating all the product

hallow saddle
#

its just way too progressive to legalise the ganja

valid needle
#

The drug business is the single largest business in the world. There is a minority of the entire world who don’t take at least one drug. The government know it will never stop but instead of taking creation and distribution out of the hands of criminals, providing safer qualities to the public and making millions in the process, they won’t.

crystal forum
#

you're thinking about it wrongly if you believe that the government wants to reduce crime

hallow saddle
#

theresa may fired the drugs advisory panel that suggested something similar

crystal forum
#

when it directly profits off of it

valid needle
#

Idk about English police or that but Scotlands police are being majorly defunded and the country is turning to a shit hole because police can’t afford to pursue crime.

hallow saddle
#

same in england

languid meadow
#

this is a case where "defund the police" is done wrong

#

also if any police forces needed defunding it isn't the UK ones

valid needle
#

Defund the police people quite clearly live in gated communities.

languid meadow
#

The actual message is about not giving them money for military surplus gear

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instead moving the money to better training and vetting

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that's what it stood for

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but a lot of people took it as "lets get rid of the police!"

crystal forum
#

this took me 1 google search

valid needle
#

I’ve never seen police in my country with military surplus gear bar the fire arms squads and airport police. Both needs those.

hallow saddle
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a) its a new government, b) most of the cuts were done years ago

valid needle
crystal forum
#

this is from the scottish government's official website

valid needle
# crystal forum

The problem with national statistics is that crime rates can stay the same or rise in districts but if one district falls majorly it looks good on paper.

#

And it’s most likely highly been affected by the Glasgow gang and stabbing crisis of the early 2000s when Glasgow was branded the murder capital of Europe.

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And then immensely cleaned up, lowering national crime statistics whilst not actually changing statistics of other districts.

crystal forum
#

i dont know anything about scotland so i can't argue on any side. the budget stat is just right there though

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it is not going down at all

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and i've heard it around the entire world that crimes rates are skyrocketing and all that yap

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all just excuses to shove more money into private pockets

hallow saddle
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i think the most glaring statistic i can find so far is that there are 214 police stations in scotland and 140 stations have closed over the last 10 years

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though im not scottish or grok so dont take it as gospel

crystal forum
#

that makes sense if stations have been merged together to server wider areas. you dont need 5 stations overlooking rural farmland

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or if zoning laws change

hallow saddle
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like, anecdotally, theres just less police around which has got to count for something

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but yeah i get what ure saying

crystal forum
#

like my city used to have its own department a decade ago but then we merged into a larger group of regional cities with just one department

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yeah the response time is shittier but it's not like us suburban cities need immediate police response

valid needle
#

What do the defund the police activists mean by military surplus gear though?

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What gear in particular

hallow saddle
#

i thought that was mainly america

crystal forum
#

this is way more of an american problem

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what police departments do in the US is buy used equipment from the army, literally

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they get it for a discount of course which is why they do it often

arctic talon
#

in the USA they have actual military surplus gear sometimes lol

crystal forum
#

so you'll see police MRAP's

arctic talon
#

the M728 Combat engineer vehicle

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is prolly the most comical one

crystal forum
#

despite the police not needing protection against improvised explosives

arctic talon
#

which is used by(some) US police forces

valid needle
#

I think they need all the gear they can get to combat riots

crystal forum
#

that's a different issue

vagrant fox
#

I've seen several images of M113s in US police service

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very peculiar

arctic talon
#

They have US military surplus Grenade Launchers

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lol

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I want one smh

crystal forum
#

the arming of the police is something i took a lot of interest in since i used to be pro police

languid meadow
#

Bigger departments have vics that were explicitly removed from military service because it made the situations worse with civilians

arctic talon
#

Yeah like the fucking M728 Combat engineer vehicle

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LOL

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that one isn't used anymore

crystal forum
#

so believe it or not but back in the day it was even easier to own automatic machineguns as a civilian and cops were just issued dinky revolvers

arctic talon
#

Especially after Waco

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considering you know

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they probably buried some people alive using it lol

crystal forum
#

but a lot of that changed in the 90's

arctic talon
crystal forum
#

a lot of people will point towards the north hollywood shootout as the biggest reveal of the lack of proper weapons for cops

arctic talon
#

I think swat gear is fine and all but it was extremely goofy in highschool realizing that the cop that came to visit our school regularly had a fucking M4 locked up in his car lol

crystal forum
#

that event was basically payday 2 in real life

arctic talon
#

And its not even like

#

I grew up in a place with a lot of crime

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I grew up in a place with a really fucking small crime statistic

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lol

crystal forum
#

two heavily armed dudes with body armor and the police were incapable of stopping htem

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because all they had were shotguns and dinky revolvers

valid needle
#

To be honest if I was in a country where nearly anyone can buy automatic machine guns I’d want the people who are meant to protect us to have as much as possible to combat them. Maybe it’s just me but I’d rather not a riot break out in my city with a guy going ham with an AR15 and my police force are like well shit I can’t fight this dude.

arctic talon
#

I mean again

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SWAT can have that stuff

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imo

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normal beat cops do not need a rifle

crystal forum
#

and in that shootout, the swat were involved

arctic talon
#

and even then sometimes SWAT doesn't do their fucking job either

crystal forum
#

and they were the ones who stopped it

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you should read about it on wikipedia it's a pretty fun read

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it's like an action movie lol

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like killdozer

arctic talon
#

is this the one with the 2 guys who had a bunch of fucking guns and spare ammo

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lol

crystal forum
#

yeah

arctic talon
#

and robbed a bank

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yeah that one okay

crystal forum
#

north hollywood shootout

arctic talon
#

anyways the Police are incompetent in some parts of the US to a comical degree

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or just don't care

crystal forum
#

so yeah returning to our onions

arctic talon
#

pick one lol

valid needle
crystal forum
#

the problem is cops are not usually the smartest people

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and they often lack training

#

so you give them a gun and they will use it even when not necessary

languid meadow
#

via the FBI 3mins is the median response time for SWAT teams

arctic talon
crystal forum
#

swats are regional things

rose thorn
#

anyone here remember chem i completley forgot if an atom with 2 single bonds and 1 double bond was trigonal planar or tetrahedral

crystal forum
#

they vary greatly

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a lot of places dont even have swat

lament shoal
lament shoal
#

They had to grab guns and ammo from a nearby store

arctic talon
#

I would double check

crystal forum
#

yeah they had to get hunting rifles

rose thorn
crystal forum
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because they couldn't penetrate the body armor

arctic talon
#

I was a like

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Chem TA

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for a year

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in highschool

crystal forum
#

and in the end it was a swat guy who double tapped one of the shooters

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the other fled and eventually crashed in a truck

rose thorn
#

oh wow

arctic talon
#

a lot of places in the US have very very very undertrained police officers

arctic talon
#

I forgot

rose thorn
#

i hate chem i cant wait never do chem ever agaion

arctic talon
#

LOL

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I don't blame you

crystal forum
#

they pretty much let him bleed out

lament shoal
crystal forum
#

and prevented the EMS from getting to him

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on purpose

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lapd in the 90's did way worse shit

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this is par for the course

arctic talon
#

the LAPD is still doing some shit lol

crystal forum
#

the 90's was way way worse

arctic talon
#

I think I'd feel safer with some career criminals

valid needle
arctic talon
#

lol

#

I don't think the police should be defunded and removed

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but they really need way better training

crystal forum
#

anyways so the problem that arose after this incident is cops started wearing more and more tactical gear to look like military

spring cairn
#

i think only my word should be law

arctic talon
#

LOL

languid meadow
#

RAAAAAAAAAAAH THAT'S WHAT DEFUND THE POLICE MEANS WOLF

spring cairn
#

and i should be judge, jury and executioner

arctic talon
#

smh

crystal forum
#

and the problem now is cops are trained to be violent and confrontational basically

#

the military gear also gives them way too much confidence

spring cairn
#

na problems...

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our cops wouldn't do anything bad

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ever never

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nope

crystal forum
#

and this all gets way worse when it comes to protest response

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you're basically confronted with a small army if you peacefully protest in america

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it's intentionally made to intimidate you

spring cairn
#

they sent the national guard to fight the homeless recently

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it's p funny

crystal forum
#

and cops are given gear like 40mm grenade launchers with foam ammunition then given a blank cheque for using them

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that is directly army surplus gear

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which i might add you cant even obtain as a civ

spring cairn
#

dream job...

arctic talon
#

the national guard are better trained then the police 💀

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well not really a skull

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but they're a lot less violent

crystal forum
#

depends what you mean by trained

arctic talon
#

More so I mean in terms of not escalating shit

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which they haven't done(so far)

crystal forum
#

the military style of escalation is
not threat
threat (death)

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they are much more dangerous than police officers

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there's videos of national guard just shooting cars by mistake

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because thats how you deal with rogue cars in the military

languid meadow
#

during the ICE protest the LA police department was semi reasonable saying "hey maybe don't send in the marines to guard shit since we have to watch them so they don't kill anyone"

arctic talon
#

tbf

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shocker that they do infact live in the city

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or around it

languid meadow
#

that hasn't stopped them before

crystal forum
#

this is like one of the only times i can agree with the lapd

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the marines would have been a disaster

arctic talon
#

fair

spring cairn
#

when a marine get shot in the head but the bullet only hit their brain

crystal forum
#

remember what happened at the kent state shooting

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nobody officially gave order to shoot

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nobody was held accountable

dapper gyro
#

Canada had only the Oka crisis.

languid meadow
#

Ok speaking of shootings the Kirk shooters posts were found and he is like the pure centrist

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he killed Kirk just because he hated him

#

no politics

spring cairn
#

yeah that's good

languid meadow
#

just hate

lament shoal
#

Sometimes I fucking hate my city man. People here have a bad habit of turning peaceful protests onto riots. Like yeah buddy, burning down some poor dude's small business is totally bringing justice for the unfortunate people who were deported

#

And our politicians can't govern for shit either

crystal forum
#

it's very common for political opponents to intentionally start riots during peaceful protests

spring cairn
#

they do that in france all the time

arctic talon
#

some people also do just want an excuse

#

to take out their rage

spring cairn
#

yes

arctic talon
#

and protests can escalate in that manner

spring cairn
#

but i assure you

languid meadow
#

I only know during the ICE protests it was ICE that escalated them to riots, others I can't speak on.

spring cairn
#

it's very common

lament shoal
#

I hate gavin newsom, dude should've been voted out of office ages ago

languid meadow
#

People only like him because he stands up to trump

lament shoal
#

Put someone who can actually do their job

arctic talon
#

Gavin Newsom is funny as fuck though

#

I still don't like him

languid meadow
#

they forget he is actually fucking evil when it comes to homeless people and other groups

lament shoal
crystal forum
arctic talon
#

Waymos are

crystal forum
#

all my sympathy vanished

dapper gyro
#

We have Ford in Ontario...

arctic talon
#

idfk lol

#

they give me the creeps lol

crystal forum
#

they would literally call waymos and burn them it's so fucking funny

#

you can find redditors crying about it on the self driving car reddit

dapper gyro
#

Being opposed to Trump and Fed Cons helped Ford quite a bit.

arctic talon
#

honestly the issue with Gavin is that the alternative to vote for is always worse then him

#

so he always ends up getting picked

#

💀

crystal forum
#

that crook rushed the ontario elections while he was still popular for one second

lament shoal
crystal forum
#

and he changed ontario's motto which is super cringe

lament shoal
#

And I also blame the fucking morons in my state who won't wake up and stop keeping these fucks in office

crystal forum
#

california is the most individualistic, polarized, shitheap of a state no offense

lament shoal
#

No I agree

#

It could be so much better than it is now but the politicians are holding it back

sacred ginkgo
lament shoal
arctic talon
#

(probably not)

languid meadow
spring cairn
#

the world

sacred ginkgo
#

There is a reason like a quarter of the people where I live are from cali

crystal forum
#

cali is especially bad with this

spring cairn
#

it describes the world

arctic talon
#

lol

spring cairn
#

at least the current trend

crystal forum
#

like just the fact that silicon valley is in california would be bad enough

#

but somehow it's also the entertainment capital of the world

languid meadow
#

it depends really since the US really pushes the individualistic mentality but yeah the rest of the world is falling into polarization

crystal forum
#

it's a state entirely funded by grifting

spring cairn
#

hardcore individualism is on the rise worldwide

arctic talon
#

mostly in the west

#

but yes very much so

spring cairn
#

it'll get east eventually

crystal forum
#

i love polarization

#

i hate centrism

crystal forum
#

but if you want to be polarized then DO SOMETHING

#

go out and vote, form communities

#

but nah californians only think of themselves

languid meadow
#

Americans only now how to be mad online

arctic talon
crystal forum
#

the tech bro guy who thinks he'll save the world by disrupting another industry

languid meadow
sacred ginkgo
lament shoal
arctic talon
#

people who don't vote

#

and then complain

#

are so weird lol

spring cairn
sacred ginkgo
#

18-25 having the largest voter base but the least voters

#

What

arctic talon
#

Cyberpunk Red has a singleplayer mode if you want to roll dice with yourself now

crystal forum
#

anyways new york city actually doing something

arctic talon
#

lol

crystal forum
#

mamdami still winning guys

spring cairn
crystal forum
#

cuomo became independent just to oppose him

languid meadow
#

tbf he didn't vote either

#

he didn't even vote to the point he was listed under a "non-voter"

lament shoal
#

Our mayor defunded the fire department and fired the previous fire chief because he was about to expose her for some negligence. And then soon after, we had the worst fucking fire in state history

spring cairn
#

he's also the corniest of cornball

#

i've ever seen

languid meadow
#

he's a mormon white dude from Utah

#

he's cornball supreme

crystal forum
#

california will not lead the world in any social movement that doesnt include a food trend

#

it is the dubai of the US

spring cairn
#

dubai only did it once c'mon

lament shoal
arctic talon
#

I like some of the culture

#

emphasis on some

#

lol

lament shoal
#

You from cali too wolf?

crystal forum
#

anyways silicon valley will lead the world into the stone age

#

peter thiel is the antichrist

#

and he's an ayn rand enjoyer which should be the biggest insult you can say about him

lament shoal
#

Who's peter thiel

late verge
#

Also on the same site theres a thread I found while searching for this that wa sbasically like "aww yeah all tech priests are emotionless husks who hate humans and stuff" when this line exists

There are always exceptions, and different sects, and different opinions amongst individuals! It is a big galaxy

crystal forum
#

and who has an unreasonable amount of power despite having the social skills of a D&D nerd

rose thorn
languid meadow
#

No it's Bo7

crystal forum
rose thorn
#

balck ops 7?

languid meadow
#

Richtofen is now from a universe where the Nazis won

crystal forum
#

it's literally all being lead by elon musks

lament shoal
#

Is that Richthofen lol

#

Yeah

rose thorn
#

LmAO

crystal forum
#

and yes they're all dorky

lament shoal
languid meadow
#

god if you're gonna be evil at least don't be a dweeb

crystal forum
#

and have beliefs you'd hold when you were in highschool about things directly affecting your life

languid meadow
lament shoal
#

Ah gotcha

crystal forum
#

because none of them have ever worked a real job

languid meadow
#

he has the title "hero of the reich"

rose thorn
#

isnt elon musk already a cyberpunk villian

languid meadow
#

he wishes

#

bro's a fucking dweeb

valid needle
lament shoal
#

I grew up with his primis version

crystal forum
#

the tech industry's biggest harm to the world was giving unimaginable power to antisocial fucks

languid meadow
#

Elon was commenting on the anti immigrant protests in England and he fucking stimmed out for no reason and faded away

crystal forum
#

probably took his ketamine hit

languid meadow
#

the fact we let these dweebs rule the world is insane

crystal forum
#

literally the lamest, dorkiest version of an aristocracy

lament shoal
#

Oh fun fact. Back during covid and gavin newsom had all the businesses shut down, he was later caught having lunch at a restaurant with his wife all by themselves

rose thorn
#

elon musk also litrerally lived off slave labor he is the mdoern day version of calvin candie

crystal forum
#

oh that's all these people maggie

#

there is no real self made billionaire

rose thorn
#

lmao

late verge
crystal forum
#

all of them come from old world money which inevitably means either they profited on slavery or on crime

languid meadow
#

mechanicus does a good job both humanizing and dehumanizing admech

rose thorn
#

except htat guy who won the powerball lottery in like 2020

#

he got like 7 billion dollars

languid meadow
#

making the necrons seem more human than the tech priests is awesome

spring cairn
#

they got elon glazing the AfD over here

crystal forum
#

the 1% like to give the illusion that us plebs can reach their level

rose thorn
#

but porbably only realy got like 900 million

crystal forum
#

and somehow that alone is enough to make everybody defend them

lament shoal
#

Being a billionaire is overrated anyways

rose thorn
#

millionare is where its at

spring cairn
#

they had him at a rally by video conference and all

late verge
rose thorn
#

rich enough ot do anything you want, poor neough you arent a super villian yet

crystal forum
#

just remember

#

this guy has more money than you will ever see and he still has no rizz

rose thorn
#

the worst footballplayer makes liek 19 million a year

opaque coyote
#

Maybe make some art

#

I don't need to do things like

#

Work

rose thorn
#

ill buy stocks in hobby companies i like

lament shoal
#

I'd rather just make enough to live comfortably. I don't need all that extra money and wealth

opaque coyote
#

Maybe pay for classes

rose thorn
#

my student loan is only liek

#

20k

crystal forum
#

you wont be rich, just a reminder

#

statistically none of you typing right now will become rich

opaque coyote
#

I would be lucky to

spring cairn
#

well my family is, me as an individual no

opaque coyote
#

Afford a house

late verge
crystal forum
#

then go outside and help your community

spring cairn
#

until i get the heritage that is

violet nexus
#

FOR HIM. ON TERRA!

opaque coyote
arctic talon
late verge
crystal forum
#

womp womp

arctic talon
#

My parents moved to it from Taiwan/Japan for college lol

#

They're both first generation immigrants

lament shoal
#

My dad's parents and my mom are immigrants too

arctic talon
#

neat

opaque coyote
#

Usually both

#

BioShock is the most based series but it's literally like

"Okay so what if we actually tried to make a society modeled after Ayn Rand's ideals"

spring cairn
#

does my mother count as an immigrant if she's from 1 country over

opaque coyote
#

...

crystal forum
#

i dont want to believe in evil

opaque coyote
#

And it fucking sucks

crystal forum
#

but i think social ignorance is definitely a thing

crystal forum
#

and you have to misunderstand a significant part of human nature to believe in ayn rand's work

spring cairn
languid meadow
#

I'm a full there are evil people believer

arctic talon
#

idk

spring cairn
#

I was born in the same country as her

opaque coyote
#

Important

#

Y'know

arctic talon
#

ah then you are

opaque coyote
#

Like firefighters

crystal forum
#

oh she didnt forget

opaque coyote
#

Doctors

crystal forum
#

your first mistake would be to try to disprove ayn rand, which is what she always counted on in life

opaque coyote
#

Policemen (actual policemen not the types that beat up minorities)

late verge
# opaque coyote Cringe. You mean you don't want to use slave labor to increase your profits?

"Yes I want to torture millions of people to watch an imaginary number go up for no reason" says the rich man. But please, do tell me how the acquisition of wealth as the only motivator to do anything in life is so "normal" and "natural", to the human condition. Tell me how this mental illness is secretly inside of every mother who works herself to the bone to provide for her family, every firefighter who risks their lives for someone they've never met, of even just the kind stranger who asked if you were okay when I was sobbing on the side of the road. And I will call you a liar.

crystal forum
#

because you cannot disprove her. she only argues on gut feeling

arctic talon
#

vibes based philosphy

crystal forum
#

it's a losing battle

spring cairn
#

evil is real

#

it's the nature of life

opaque coyote
late verge
#

Ayn rand is a moron

crystal forum
#

she was the era's equivalent of a debate bro

opaque coyote
#

Instead of remaining an abberation

opaque coyote
late verge
opaque coyote
#

Although would Mother Teresa count as the first?

crystal forum
#

the people who funded her didnt give a shit about her words. rich people already go into atlas shrugged believing in the conclusion

#

it's all just confirmation of their superiority

late verge
crystal forum
#

there is nothing being put into question with her work. it's all just to reasure rich people that they are perfect

spring cairn
#

well she gave us bioshock so she did something right

crystal forum
#

it's antiphilosophy

#

made to prevent thinking

crystal forum
#

also slightly related but this is why i could never really understand kant

#

i just dont get him

#

i need a philo major to explain him to me

spring cairn
#

i have philo classes but i don't think i qualify

vagrant fox
#

no one understands kant

#

they just read kant and say oh yeah makes sense

arctic talon
#

even to philo majors

#

from the like 2 I know

crystal forum
#

ye

#

i had two classes of philo

#

and i could never really grasp him

tough haven
arctic talon
#

Perish

#

I will force you to read all his books

spring cairn
#

even the race theory ?

crystal forum
#

i dont think kant wrote about that

spring cairn
#

he did

crystal forum
#

i thought he never broached the idea of slavery which really struck me as odd

spring cairn
#

not full books but he did write about race

winged jacinth
#

The thing about kant is his whole philosophy exists in a fake version of society lol

crystal forum
#

since i immediately looked up why tf the guy promoting reason and morality would not mention the slavery that was still going on in the west

vagrant fox
#

If I recall right, Kant called the white race the only non-deficient one

#

very cool

languid meadow
#

Once you take psychology you'll never stop wanting to beat Sigmund Freud to death with your bare hands

crystal forum
#

he seems to invent a version of perfect reasonable society

winged jacinth
#

Kant makes sense in the context of the kingdom of ends, a situation that can never occur

#

Yeah

crystal forum
#

and it did not surprise me to learn that he was probably autistic

winged jacinth
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In the kingdom of ends all actors are perfectly rational and follow some kind of absolute metric of morality

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Which... yeah

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We don't live in the kingdom of ends and never will

spring cairn
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i mean he knew that obviously

crystal forum
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my professor made us choose whether kant would be for or against certain things to help us understand

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and the bigger one was surrogate motherhood

winged jacinth
spring cairn
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that's why he's a great subject for philosophy classes

crystal forum
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ofc it's easy to criticize a philosopher you don't understand which is what i'm doing

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but i find moral philosophies to be kinda gross

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in general

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since they dont really accomplish anything

winged jacinth
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The categorical imperative is also kinda nonsense but i think it was necessary for later thought

vagrant fox
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It's interesting to think about but I'm not sure I entirely agree on it all

crystal forum
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and they overcomplicated very simple ideas

winged jacinth
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Kantian thought is wildly out of date too

spring cairn
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because they're not so simple

crystal forum
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i think they are

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genuinely

spring cairn
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you may